I would recommend the following: To use as a desktop/laptop daily use OS, use LMDE because it's all been setup for you already and there is no configuration required. To use as a server: use Debian if you want to set up a server because it doesn't require a desktop environment and once you setup what you need, you don't really need to worry about updates and it just keeps working reliably. Personally I would install updates once a week but you don't have to if you don't want to.
IF you're going to do CINAMON and you want DEBIAN base --- USE LMDE6-- It's ALREADY configures and set up- and you can STILL customize and change whatever you like later.. just common sense there. I have been on LMDE6 for a couple weeks now and LOVE it--(used it a LOT before- but slightly older version).. and I have distro-hopped for years- coming FULL CIRCLE back to MINT- but wanted the debian.. !!!
@@FossLinuxJournal, Is it true that Debian has an advantage over LMDE when you upgrade to the next version of Debian, without needing to remove the old version of Debian?
@@TheZeroAssassin Like me as confused, it might be that mementomori'1868's question is like that because Nobody'-eg4bi's statement is not clear. I understand also like this: "after I tried went back to Linux Mint (from trying DEBIAN), LM (Debian Edition) still a lot better in terms of stability, driver support, and other issues.
definitely LMDE because it's the Linux Mint Team develops the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship DE.. so their Cinnamon DE isn't outdated or incomplete plus you will get better hardware support.. if I have to use base Debian then I would go for something very lightweight, either a lighter DE or even a tiling manager.
Thanks for sharing this video. Basically, LMDE is branched out of debian and it includes the LMDE itself and the Cinnamon. As Debian updates only after rigorous testing and takes a long time, The updates happening at the below branches to the cinnamon and lmde does not merge with the debian as debian has to test everything with backtracking. But, When debian updates, then the changes of debian are pulled and merged with the cinnamon and lmde. Hence keeping LMDE always updated in terms of debian and the Cinnamon UI
Great video, was wondering about that as I run Debian Cinnamon on one machine, coming from Linux Mint still installed on my two other machines. Now I wonder: LMDE vs Linux Mint...
LMDE > Ubuntu-based Linux Mint. Even without the snap-bloat, LMDE is faster, slowwer upgrades from devs, but it's stable AF... it's only issue it's me, the user.
Linux Mint based on Ubuntu is still their main focus: LMDE is something they're preparing in case of ... contingencies (like Canonical doing something bad with Ubuntu). BTW, Linux Mint (Ubuntu) does NOT have Snaps--they made a deliberate, conscious choice. From the Software Manager you get both Flatpak and regular packages. An advantage of LMDE over Debian with Cinnamon is that you get Flatpaks already accessible for the sake of more recent app packages (though, of course, I'm sure you could install flathub on Debian with no problem if you're the target Debian user). tl;dr I've used both, not noticed much difference doing normy things, mostly use the primary version. There was a period when LMDE had a much more recent kernel, but that difference has gone away with v. 22.
I used Mint for several years, last year I installed LMDE and Zorin on a laptop...I liked the LMDE. Then some weeks ago I got a problem with my VPN. I dont like to do a research so I thought do a new install. Then I took this LMDE insted of the Mint...and I did not notice any real difference. As a second, dual, I took the newest Manjaro, boy, that one is ok too. I am doubting but for the moment use the LMDE as my main Linux.
One thing that comes to mind is that Cinnamon doesn't have separately configurable workspaces. For example in KDE you could have a workspace which is for work stuff and a different one for games - which could look totally different than the work one. Also because Cinnamon uses GTK, its a bit hit and miss on whether thumbnails are shown in any particular applications file chooser dialog, (not Cinnamon fault as such, just the fact that most are all of the application you use will be GTK based).
KDE Plasma is much more powerful in terms of customization compared to Cinnamon, you can really customize almost everything. Cinnamon, on the other hand, is much more stable than KDE Plasma, at least in my use, Cinnamon has always been fast and has never presented a bug, but sometimes the KDE interface restarted when I was customizing it, in addition to presenting some random slowdowns on my pc, but nothing major either. This is because Plasma aims to be more resourceful and up-to-date, while Cinnamon is more slow to implement new features and aims to be very stable. When I talk about Plasma's customization, I'm saying that there are a lot of options, to the point where you can leave the interface basically the same as a Mac Os. This amount of customization is very good for users with time and who want to make an interface that looks like their own, but for some people, the amount of options can be complicated, if they want to use an interface that is different from the standard one that distributions set up. In terms of performance, Cinnamon is lighter, but this depends a lot on your computer, if your computer is "strong" you won't feel the difference between the two. In the end, I'd say that for the average user who has never used an interface other than windows and wants something ready-made without wanting to customize it or customize it very lightly, Cinnamon is a good option, but if you want to customize it to make an interface that suits the way you work, or want to make it something beautiful to look at, Plasma is a good option. I would say that I would install a Cinnamon Desktop environment for my father who has never used anything other than Windows and wants something stable to use on a day-to-day basis, while in comparison I would install something with KDE Plasma for someone who wants to customize the interface and has the time learn and to do so. I recommend that you test both on your PC, as what I've said above is my experience, which may be different from yours. I hope I've helped.
In Simple Words, Cinnamon is a desktop which provides a rock solid but old user experience, The customizations is a different thing, the main thing which a user should keep in mind that KDE is a modern desktop providing complete control of their desktop and promising functionality + design. While Cinnamon is just a solid desktop promising a never breaking and decent functionality and old design. Hence, KDE is a desktop Preferred by a casual linux user.
KDE has a lot more customisation options. For me it looks like they're not really useful for me so I prefer Cinnamon because it looks more beautiful for me and it's easier. Sometimes it's harder to customize something in KDE because it's too complicated for your needs. E. g. as I remember, there isn't an option to change colour accent in KDE easily.
Love the Commodore CBM picture 🙂, that was my first real computer and I still have it. In the picture at 9:25 for Debian 12 there's Kernel 6.2, I'm not sure but I think that it's 6.1 by default. If you want 6.2 you have to install it by yourself (Which is a pity for Intel Arc GPU users...)
Simple Question !!! Why don't the linux distros put the exact name of the DISTRO - rather than just UBUNTU. There are dozens of good Ubuntu variants - but as a rule - they only list Ubuntu. In a multi boot system - this is challenging to identify.
Been there, done that. I go into the bios, and select the drive from there. If grub has multiple entries with the same name, it's trial and error until you remember which one boots which OS.
I had LMDE on my Dell Latitude E-6540 for about 3 months, during the 3 months my Laptop locked up in the middle of watching a video on YT. It would repeatedly replay a portion that had already played before and just kept repeating it over and over, no way to turn anything off, actually had to pull the Power supply and the battery till the Laptop stopped running.....! After it started up again, I quickly removed LMDE from the Laptop...! Do what you wish....... me, I'll do me......
I occasionally have that problem too, with regular Mint. I think it's actually the Firefox browser that's the problem It happens about once a year for me, it seems with specific videos, and almost gets me to change to Chromium; but then it doesn't repeat.
Normally, the drivers for the above hardware components are installed automatically at the time you install your distro, and they come shipped bundled within the kernel. I run the Ubuntu-based Mint on one of my laptops and I have also tested the LMDE on it, in both cases everything (Wi-Fi, printer, and all other peripherals) worked perfectly out of the box after the OS installation (only thing worth noticing here is, if you have a NVidia graphics card, you'll be asked to choose between proprietary drivers and open source drivers, you should choose the proprietary ones if you wanna play last-gen games on your machine, but even the open source ones run pretty well). After the initial installation, you can sometimes see standalone drivers updates available for your machine in your package and software manager, which you can install individually, or together with other updates. By far the simplest way to keep your laptop up-to-date, especially with the latest safety patches, is to run "sudo apt update", then "sudo apt upgrade" from your terminal now and then. I do this about once a week, and the OS takes care of everything else. PS: if there are updates available for your system, you will get notified by your software manager via a little red dot on its icon on the notification area of your task bar. You can then just click on it if you wanna use the graphical interface, but you can also just update via terminal using the apt commands.
Either way, cinnamon is a bad choice. Too unoptimized, feels sluggish to use, lots of tearing that you had to change configs in a file for a barely acceptable state. Mate is way better, more so xfce
Lol I've had 0 problems with Cinnamon, some problems with KDE Plasma though. I haven't used XFCE so much but I guess in a PC with under 4 GB RAM it could be useful
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I would recommend the following:
To use as a desktop/laptop daily use OS, use LMDE because it's all been setup for you already and there is no configuration required.
To use as a server: use Debian if you want to set up a server because it doesn't require a desktop environment and once you setup what you need, you don't really need to worry about updates and it just keeps working reliably. Personally I would install updates once a week but you don't have to if you don't want to.
I totally agree with you! :-)
How about spiral linux
@@janiceadriana6830 I've never heard of it. Is it good?
I would also add that my older Dell laptop wifi worked out of the box with LMDE. I didn't have to do anything to get i to work. It just did.
I'd go along with that. I've used Debian for about 20 years, currently with LXDE desktop, but I've used LMDE on several laptop installs.
VERY INFORMATIVE - I INSTALLED LMDE - BUT I WAS NO SURE. - THANK YOU👍👍👍
IF you're going to do CINAMON and you want DEBIAN base --- USE LMDE6-- It's ALREADY configures and set up- and you can STILL customize and change whatever you like later.. just common sense there. I have been on LMDE6 for a couple weeks now and LOVE it--(used it a LOT before- but slightly older version).. and I have distro-hopped for years- coming FULL CIRCLE back to MINT- but wanted the debian.. !!!
LMDE has Cinnamon finely tuned. The difference is minimal and unnoticeable unless you've been using LMDE as your distro for a while (My case).
LMDE on one old laptop. Mint 21.2 on the other. I can't tell a difference. (Non demanding user.)
@@wnewbury4 In my case, I want my linux life Ubuntu/Canonical-free as much as possible.
I agree with you that Debian is best for experienced users and LMDE for less experienced users. It was however a good review.🙂
thx buddy :)
@@FossLinuxJournal, Is it true that Debian has an advantage over LMDE when you upgrade to the next version of Debian, without needing to remove the old version of Debian?
after I tried went back to Linux Mint, LM still a lot better in terms of stability, driver support, and other issues.
you mean mint based on ubuntu?
@@mementomori1868 Yep but now I am on Debian XFCE & LXQT
@@mementomori1868 Which is the main distro known as Mint, so stop pretending you don't now what they mean
LMDE for me.
@@TheZeroAssassin Like me as confused, it might be that mementomori'1868's question is like that because Nobody'-eg4bi's statement is not clear.
I understand also like this:
"after I tried went back to Linux Mint (from trying DEBIAN), LM (Debian Edition) still a lot better in terms of stability, driver support, and other issues.
definitely LMDE because it's the Linux Mint Team develops the Cinnamon desktop as their flagship DE.. so their Cinnamon DE isn't outdated or incomplete plus you will get better hardware support.. if I have to use base Debian then I would go for something very lightweight, either a lighter DE or even a tiling manager.
Cinnamon is one of the desktops available from Spirallinux which is very easy to install.
Excellent video Michael!!! Thanks.
I use LMDE. I have thought about switching to Debian/Cinnamon, but I want the LM tweaks, with the non-free software/drivers etc.
Thanks for sharing this video.
Basically, LMDE is branched out of debian and it includes the LMDE itself and the Cinnamon. As Debian updates only after rigorous testing and takes a long time, The updates happening at the below branches to the cinnamon and lmde does not merge with the debian as debian has to test everything with backtracking. But, When debian updates, then the changes of debian are pulled and merged with the cinnamon and lmde. Hence keeping LMDE always updated in terms of debian and the Cinnamon UI
Great video, was wondering about that as I run Debian Cinnamon on one machine, coming from Linux Mint still installed on my two other machines. Now I wonder: LMDE vs Linux Mint...
LMDE > Ubuntu-based Linux Mint. Even without the snap-bloat, LMDE is faster, slowwer upgrades from devs, but it's stable AF... it's only issue it's me, the user.
Linux Mint based on Ubuntu is still their main focus: LMDE is something they're preparing in case of ... contingencies (like Canonical doing something bad with Ubuntu). BTW, Linux Mint (Ubuntu) does NOT have Snaps--they made a deliberate, conscious choice. From the Software Manager you get both Flatpak and regular packages. An advantage of LMDE over Debian with Cinnamon is that you get Flatpaks already accessible for the sake of more recent app packages (though, of course, I'm sure you could install flathub on Debian with no problem if you're the target Debian user).
tl;dr I've used both, not noticed much difference doing normy things, mostly use the primary version. There was a period when LMDE had a much more recent kernel, but that difference has gone away with v. 22.
I used Mint for several years, last year I installed LMDE and Zorin on a laptop...I liked the LMDE. Then some weeks ago I got a problem with my VPN. I dont like to do a research so I thought do a new install. Then I took this LMDE insted of the Mint...and I did not notice any real difference. As a second, dual, I took the newest Manjaro, boy, that one is ok too. I am doubting but for the moment use the LMDE as my main Linux.
LMDE should be called Mint OS
Debian 12 uses Kernal 6.1, not 6.2, hence why LMDE uses 6.1. So they both (obviusly) use kernal version 6.1
How is Cinnamon different from KDE from a user point of view?
One thing that comes to mind is that Cinnamon doesn't have separately configurable workspaces. For example in KDE you could have a workspace which is for work stuff and a different one for games - which could look totally different than the work one. Also because Cinnamon uses GTK, its a bit hit and miss on whether thumbnails are shown in any particular applications file chooser dialog, (not Cinnamon fault as such, just the fact that most are all of the application you use will be GTK based).
KDE Plasma is much more powerful in terms of customization compared to Cinnamon, you can really customize almost everything. Cinnamon, on the other hand, is much more stable than KDE Plasma, at least in my use, Cinnamon has always been fast and has never presented a bug, but sometimes the KDE interface restarted when I was customizing it, in addition to presenting some random slowdowns on my pc, but nothing major either.
This is because Plasma aims to be more resourceful and up-to-date, while Cinnamon is more slow to implement new features and aims to be very stable.
When I talk about Plasma's customization, I'm saying that there are a lot of options, to the point where you can leave the interface basically the same as a Mac Os. This amount of customization is very good for users with time and who want to make an interface that looks like their own, but for some people, the amount of options can be complicated, if they want to use an interface that is different from the standard one that distributions set up.
In terms of performance, Cinnamon is lighter, but this depends a lot on your computer, if your computer is "strong" you won't feel the difference between the two.
In the end, I'd say that for the average user who has never used an interface other than windows and wants something ready-made without wanting to customize it or customize it very lightly, Cinnamon is a good option, but if you want to customize it to make an interface that suits the way you work, or want to make it something beautiful to look at, Plasma is a good option.
I would say that I would install a Cinnamon Desktop environment for my father who has never used anything other than Windows and wants something stable to use on a day-to-day basis, while in comparison I would install something with KDE Plasma for someone who wants to customize the interface and has the time learn and to do so.
I recommend that you test both on your PC, as what I've said above is my experience, which may be different from yours. I hope I've helped.
In Simple Words, Cinnamon is a desktop which provides a rock solid but old user experience, The customizations is a different thing, the main thing which a user should keep in mind that KDE is a modern desktop providing complete control of their desktop and promising functionality + design.
While Cinnamon is just a solid desktop promising a never breaking and decent functionality and old design.
Hence, KDE is a desktop Preferred by a casual linux user.
@@lucaswt1491 Thanks!
KDE has a lot more customisation options. For me it looks like they're not really useful for me so I prefer Cinnamon because it looks more beautiful for me and it's easier. Sometimes it's harder to customize something in KDE because it's too complicated for your needs. E. g. as I remember, there isn't an option to change colour accent in KDE easily.
Love the Commodore CBM picture 🙂, that was my first real computer and I still have it.
In the picture at 9:25 for Debian 12 there's Kernel 6.2, I'm not sure but I think that it's 6.1 by default. If you want 6.2 you have to install it by yourself (Which is a pity for Intel Arc GPU users...)
You mentioned "x-apps" twice. What are x-apps?
Simple Question !!! Why don't the linux distros put the exact name of the DISTRO - rather than just UBUNTU. There are dozens of good Ubuntu variants - but as a rule - they only list Ubuntu. In a multi boot system - this is challenging to identify.
Been there, done that. I go into the bios, and select the drive from there. If grub has multiple entries with the same name, it's trial and error until you remember which one boots which OS.
us the best for old pc's?
Excellent video
Thx bro
My choice: LMDE. Debian based, Cinnamon GUI is for me the most productive. My xerox multi function printer and scanner works out of the box
You can easily make the Cinnamon desktop look a lot like MACOS.
I use both on different laptops for the same reason Linux does this combo
Cinnamon is best de
I had LMDE on my Dell Latitude E-6540 for about 3 months, during the 3 months my Laptop locked up in the middle of watching a video on YT. It would repeatedly replay a portion that had already played before and just kept repeating it over and over, no way to turn anything off, actually had to pull the Power supply and the battery till the Laptop stopped running.....! After it started up again, I quickly removed LMDE from the Laptop...! Do what you wish....... me, I'll do me......
I occasionally have that problem too, with regular Mint. I think it's actually the Firefox browser that's the problem It happens about once a year for me, it seems with specific videos, and almost gets me to change to Chromium; but then it doesn't repeat.
Is It possible to install Bluetooth, Wi-Fi,Intell CPU and HD Graphics drivers using the Software Manager of the LDME?
Normally, the drivers for the above hardware components are installed automatically at the time you install your distro, and they come shipped bundled within the kernel. I run the Ubuntu-based Mint on one of my laptops and I have also tested the LMDE on it, in both cases everything (Wi-Fi, printer, and all other peripherals) worked perfectly out of the box after the OS installation (only thing worth noticing here is, if you have a NVidia graphics card, you'll be asked to choose between proprietary drivers and open source drivers, you should choose the proprietary ones if you wanna play last-gen games on your machine, but even the open source ones run pretty well).
After the initial installation, you can sometimes see standalone drivers updates available for your machine in your package and software manager, which you can install individually, or together with other updates. By far the simplest way to keep your laptop up-to-date, especially with the latest safety patches, is to run "sudo apt update", then "sudo apt upgrade" from your terminal now and then. I do this about once a week, and the OS takes care of everything else.
PS: if there are updates available for your system, you will get notified by your software manager via a little red dot on its icon on the notification area of your task bar. You can then just click on it if you wanna use the graphical interface, but you can also just update via terminal using the apt commands.
@@sergiogiacomosammartano7623 What kind of Wi-Fi,Bluetooth and Video chips are installed into your laptop?
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That's easy. If you are advanced enough to use Debian, use Debian with Cinnamon. Otherwise use just regular Mint, not LMDE.
The main reason to use LMDE is to be free of any commericial junk related to Ubuntu.
@@fluffykitties9020 and also free of drivers (like for nvidia graphic cards).
If you want perfection - DEBIAN 12 is the target
Answer: Debian + GMOME
Either way, cinnamon is a bad choice. Too unoptimized, feels sluggish to use, lots of tearing that you had to change configs in a file for a barely acceptable state. Mate is way better, more so xfce
Lol I've had 0 problems with Cinnamon, some problems with KDE Plasma though. I haven't used XFCE so much but I guess in a PC with under 4 GB RAM it could be useful
debian适合追求完美的人。mint适合普通大众。