Can You Beat Grandmasters With Silver League Macro? (No, Literally)
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Absolutely love this format! The unpredictability of what untis you get and having to adapt on the fly is a ton of fun to watch.
Most definitely agreed! Quite entertaining
They should make it a series - Pros in archon mode with lower league players. Byun + Silver might be OP tho and he'll get SCVs nerfed.
Good format for sure
I believe this format was my suggestion 🤓🤓🤓🤩
In fairness, if a silver league player only needs to macro with 0% focus on anything else, they can punch way above their weight. No distractions, no multitasking, just complete focus on the macro.
I'm not saying this to diminish the games in any way - I love this idea and Marc you're my favorite person to watch play SC2 because of your mix of skill, commentary/interaction with the audience and just overall vibe and fun level! GGs.
Its good for training. This guys whole thing is training. If he trains someone by just forcing them to focus on macro it helps their overall game. I'm sure it helped the silver tons getting the macro down pat.
you not wrong, nearly every competitive game has something that if you are good at, you can easily rank up even being terrible at everything else.
in LOL/dota is last hitting, in fighting games it would be poking or Oki depending on the game/character
@@affegpus4195 for fighting games I think it's anti-air and spacing
Yes it's similar to sports. The most average football fan could win professional games if all they had to do was command a professional football player to do it and watch them do it perfectly.
We're the opponents also playing in archon mode though? I think archon mode vs a single player is a huge advantage
Honestly. I would love to see an entire format around this concept. A two-player team where one is on macro and another is on micro, especially if communication between teammates is limited to in-game chat only. This is so much fun XD (and I'd love to see your opponent(s) playing under the same configuration)
No communication would make it more interesting.
Harstem did this. Played against Kelazhur (with another low level person) I think. They changed who does micro and who does macro
@@iclicklike3397communication is useless when both players are experienced enough with their race to adapt themself instantly. Tho.. matching people talking differents languages would be best anti communication cheat ever haha but it is interresting concept seriously, that way one can focus on one thing exclusively.
Tho, from that video it is obvious the builder guy is lacking on knowledge and lacking on understanding his mistake. We all learn via mistake overtime and figure out what could be done to prevent it to happend again. I have no fckin clue why the builder guy did not lift building from his wall from main base to wall the 2nd base entrance lol.. cover 2 base instand of 1 for same configuration but few square further
@@mala4480 Personally, I want Thermie to be paired with sub-optimal partners. That increases the chaos and the fun. Every handicap only ever makes uThermal better.
Loved this episode! I would actually quite like to see the reverse of this. what does Uthermal macro with silver league micro look like?? :D
And if your team-mate is happy to experiment, maybe try this with the other races as well?
I am pretty sure you would be stuck in plat. No amount of units will help if the guy controlling the army has the decision-making of a silver league.
Yes but it's going to be so painful to watch though!
@@TheThewhatnow definitely focus on A-click units. Obviously there is no pure A-Click unit, but you can stay away from ghost's for example.
Mass void rays let's go
I love that uthermal consistently plays with newer or lesser skilled players. He's really in touch with just how fun the game is, you can feel the passion he has.
I feel like the game is even more fun at the lower level
Agree, seeing him stomping worse players that are still ranked higher than me is super instructive and helps me boost my self-esteem by proving how worthless I am!
Dota2 pros constantly smurf in below average mmr to try out wacky builds. Its not that uncommon to learn from noobs building random things and seeing that something actually works even in high mmr.
Great job, IAmSerral!
Loved the spice, those builds were very cool, and man, for a silver you really had some solid Macro. I mean I am saying this as a "used to be plat in WoL" Boomer, but seriously, you played your heart out, you are the MVP of this video for sure.
This was INCREDIBLY fun to watch!!! Dude, I was grinning ear to ear the entire time. Me and my friend do this occasionally vs many computers.
Hi I’m coocoo. I watched the replay and only then did I notice I actually scouted two barracks 😅 Shoulda reacted instead of play my standard reaper expand 1-1-1. Not that I ever had a chance. Was fun tho!
I don't play this game. Can you tell me how can you play 1 vs 2? Or you have another teammate in archon mode?
Personally I think Marc should wait until the 5 minute mark before taking over the micro, because the Macro doesn't really take over until a few minutes in.
@@brkillee You may have a point. Maybe I could have lasted 5 minutes and…10 seconds? 😂😂😂
@@SocuteRaptor custom -> melee -> pick map and create lobby -> category -> archon
Hi Coocoo, well played. Thanks for contributing to such an entertaining video.
3 BC above the roaches marching hurts every zerg's zerg heart. It's not a fight, it's a massacre.
Great video with fantastic entertainment value, the "let's see what units we will get" surprise moment was super entertaining.
I'm sure the first gold player is feeling much better now after seeing who all was beaten in the video ;)
Don’t worry, I’m ok 😉
Great video Marc! Love the concept, i do think you should consider having the challenger also be in Archon mode with another in the same league to eliminate fact that the Macro is impacted so heavily by your harassment. Thanks for the amazing content.
You definitely have to redo this challenge with this idea
I had exactly the same thought, also his partner seemed pretty good at unit comps which def helped.
This was very fun to watch; it was as if every match was a mystery on what units uThermal would be using; 'random' units xD
I love this concept. Im in platinum, I find my issue is staring at my army fight (because its fun) and forgetting to macro back at home. Or doing proper scouting.
I like this concept too. I can macro pretty well or micro pretty well, but not both at the same time. I'm one of those plats whose resource counts and queen energy stays low right until my opponent rolls out.
I think the most dissapointing thing about Starcraft 2 is it takes away "fun" things like watching fights if you want to be "good".
Just like him mentioning taking out animations in levels that add to the environment because they are too distracting.
Or when I see pro players playing on lowest graphics settings.
I think someone could make bank making a game that plays like starcraft but you strip out all art and aesthetic.
Just have it be smooth blocks for each unit type so you can have your .3333% efficiency boosts from framerate!
@@DarkLightGaming117 Isn't that just every RTS ever? I play Company of Heroes and you aren't just supposed to watch your units blow up the other guy's units, also because it takes so damn long for two equally strong infantry squads to take each other out, so after a point watching the fights gets boring.
@@DarkLightGaming117this is why i just play campaign 🙏
@fefega to a degree sure. But some like Starcraft 2 I feel like minmax it into overdrive.
Macro itself ain't the hardest part... it's doing your macro while also having to micro at the same time that makes things hard.
This was fantastic. You are such a good sport too. I love to see how much fun you have even when you are handicapping yourself in the myriad ways you do. Heck the only thing that frustrated you seemed to be when your opponent had a mental boom moment.
Only up to the Masters game so far but this is so freakin awesome I want to see you do this more often. The team up macro - micro is really fun dynamic. It would be really cool to switch it up and do the GM Macro with Silver Micro and see if you can do it the other way around. I would also like to see some 2v2's this way. It is really a fun format to watch. I hope this video is really popular so that you will do it more.
This was brilliant. I devoured every piece of it. Loved to see you getting random units and making use of them, while telling us what it could have been done better. It's like online couching. Kudos to both you and the partner.
Very good episode, even tho I believe that the "silver macro" is slightly wrong here. Since the silver player focus entirely on the macro, we can expect better macro than his average in silver league
If you're doing nothing but macro then it's definitely easier to do it - but if you're silver while playing a complete game, your macro is likely not better than gold/plat level
I love this! I've seen a lot of your videos Thermy, and this is among the top video formats imho. There's something really fun about not knowing what your teammate is going to do that adds another layer of intrigue and potential for wild games :)
If this is silver macro then i belong in wood league
You gotta remember that he is only macroing. It's like going against very ezy AI most will have a max army by 9-10min
I mean if no one is attacking me and I don't have to worry about multitasking it's pretty easy to have all my buildings making stuff and throwing down supply depots
this challange is so much fun to watch. i hope we see more of that.
Really fun concept, surprised it worked so well! Not being able to plan your own strategy and not having top-tier macro is a disadvantage, but on the other hand you and your teammate each being able to focus on a single part of the game is an advantage. The result is super fun and unpredictable. Silver league macro Cloaked to GM when? :D
Didn't even know it was possible for two people to control a single account simultaneously during a single match, how does that work? EDIT: Ah that's what he meant by archon mode
I'm still confused, can you explain how?
EDIT: searched up what archon mode is, it allows two people to play as one player. It was introduced in Legacy of the Void. While there is a queue for it, I think to verse someone that isn't using Archon mode it has to be a private custom match.
@@smoothbrain8355 There was also a gamemode in OG SC and SC:BW that was called "teams" that was basically the same concept as Archon mode.
This was a really cool video, I was smiling the whole damn time haha. Love to see more of this type of content
New idea or iteration for this Marc, you should make it a 2v2 in Archon. Same format, just make it a 2v2. Grandmaster's Micro and a Silver/Gold/Platinum Macro.
Harstem did a video like that actually
Now I want to see inverse Archon mode. Instead of two people playing the same game, I want to see uthermal playing two games of starcraft at the same time.
This is awesome! Playing macro was my favorite growing up on RTS, loved having a friend control the military. Totally worth the watch
Amazing new format! Harstem did a similar thing, maybe you can play against each other in archon with teammates from different leagues.
Colabs are always fun!
It's not a new format. Players have been doing this since custom SC1 maps.
You can set up a beacon to give control of units that aren't SCVs to an ally and only give one player on a team starting SCVs.
Sends out probe.
"Please contrel"
Marc: What why where
This video is perfect. I love everything in it.
This was definitely one of the more fun ideas to watch being played out. Can we get one of these videos with each of the other two races as well?
That was so fun to watch! I really wasn't sure what to expect with this, but it's possibly one of my favorite episodes I've ever watched of yours
Amazing video!! Please do more of this!
*"Play against a grandmaster with silver player's macro? Now it's fair"* Uthermal, probably
Props for the master player to give up so early so you can play against a grandmaster xD
Okay, this is a fantastic series!
Please do double GM! GM Macro + GM Micro
That would be really fun, actually.
Yes please! Pro macro + pro micro
4x colab. 2gms vs 2 gms in Archon mode, no coms.
Vs multiple players
This was so fun to watch! You're such a high quality dude in many ways.
I never played SC2 and don't know literally anything about how RTS games work, so obviously I will watch and enjoy this whole video :)
I absolutely LOVE this idea.
This is a great concept, so fun to watch!
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It was such an epic battle with the hydras and BC+cyclone+helions. I was on the edge of my seat
i was edge of my seat while scrolling down for the spoiler
you hooked me up to SC again. Thanks man, very enjoy your videos. Keep it up!
Thus video was way too much fun than I thought it would be. 100% up for more of these!!!
I love this. I love the coaching element and surprise for Marc. More please.
Really enjoyed this format. I could imagine me doing my usual 'random/crap' builds and uThermal saying wft dude! :)
Really excellent training tip opportunities too! More please!
That was an awesome video! I was entertained the entire time. I would live to see more of this. Get a few more grand master silver pairs and fight tournament style. Maybe even give the gms a day to coach 😂
This was exciting. So many clinch moments. Always a pleasure to watch uThermal play but also well played by his Silver League partner.
OMG at 15 mins the command centers on the far side of the map. I was crying with laughter
Great stuff :D And I expected a loss due to the title, so you got me there. Put a big smile on my face.
When his opponent was like "I suck!" my heart broke for him, had no idea who he was up against lol
Now I want to see two teams of two pros doing this against each other, but still without communication.
Without getting distracted, anyone could macro like a grandmaster. That is the conclusion.
This is why Byun is so strong, his micro terrorized the opponent enough where both sides macro floats.
Ive been saying this for 10 years as a permanent stuck-in-plat player.
Lets say they macro 2 leagues above their own. As diamond when im macroing undistracted im able to to hit max with 2/2 in under 9 mins. When im in a game i look over after an intense fight and im floating 1k/1k lol
Woooow that was crazyyyyyy...! It was like "Hmmm what shall I get now... oh look - a cyclone! Fine, I'll use that. Yoink!"
So random and crazy and fun!
Finally something that proves my point that micro is extremely important.
Game 2 with the Weighted Companion Cube build was amazing.
OMG... this series was insane. Wow, more plz that was so hilarious!
Love this, would love it if this became a recurring thing or even a regular series!
Your content brings me joy, thank you.
I love this! Someone else making your units and you figuring it out! 😂😂
Thor harrasment is the funniest thing i have ever seen... who expects Thors getting dropped in the mineral line
17:40 dat silver league macro mindset, when given the opportunity to preserve a lead takes 3 proxy bases instead of expanding normally😂
The decision making is on point. When ahead get more ahead.
That little silver is playing his heart out
I always thought SC2 was all about macro, snd micro was just a bonus. But here clearly states the opposite. Micro can truly win you any game, even if it causes you to slip up with your macro
It depends. This is a good example of how good reaper harass can throw someone off and even "some" macro at home beats none. When I control a reaper half as good as thermy does, I'm floating 700 minerals and 200 gas at home.
Fishing for the next challenge 😂
Depends on how much you slip up with your macro. For bad players it's generally adviced that you stick to macro and just a-move and they'll perform better. I think you underestimate the degree to which macro fails when people try to micro alot at lower levels. I diamond player trying to micro reapers like uThermal did here would probably have low bronze levels of macro during that time.
I definitely understand how this is harder than playing normal. Trying to mind read what your teammate is thinking or planning takes more focus than just going into autopilot. I think the term is "two headed giant" they spend energy arguing so they are less effective than a one headed giant
its really not by a lot
OMG Marc! That was probably the most entertaining SC2 video I've ever seen. Very creative!
This was absolutely epic. Great concept! Would love to see more!!
This was one of the most fun videos you’ve done in a long time! Loved it, would love to see more!
NICE video! remind me back in the day when I played 2v2/3v3 with friends and I controlled all of their units haha
Would be rad to se a team of GM micro with Silver macro vs GM macro vs Silver micro facing each other.
Wow, amazing! The most interesting video uthermal has done in a while. GJ.
Wow. Well done! Def had some luck involved but... that was amazing to watch!
Please do more of these, this is such comedy gold
You should do more like this was really fun. Maybe a tournament where pro players get a random silver league player.
A showmatch tournament with this format would be very funny, especially if commentators played it straight.
You know what I discovered today. Lowko is the one with the odd Dutch accent. Both harstem and uThermal sound similar, Lowkow is the odd one out.
Also super fun to watch. TY.
This was very fun to watch. Hope to see more of this format
You need yo make this a series.... and kudos to IamSerral, that was good sim city, and management, i have the same issue, as im either really good at Macro, or really good at Micro... i perfer macro as well as our boi-yo, and its gratifying to see that my own skills (im ranked 4th in gold) are practical if paired with a good partner.
Oh my god. Marc, you keep coming up with these brilliant ideas! It's too entertaining! If you ever stop, I'm going to go into withdrawal.
I loved every minute of this my god
5:30 look ma. no hands.
Super interesting way to play. Fascinating. CooCoo shouldn't feel bad at all.
Was wondering how you'd imitate silver macro. Archon mode is pretty ingenius.
This was amazing! Could you do the same but reverse the rolls (you macro and the other person micro)? I think it would be very painful but hilarious
This shit was actually so entertaining. Would love more videos in this style. Maybe something like Grandmaster Archon versus Grandmaster Archon?
This was super cool! Would love to see the opposite, too, where you macro and stress out while watching your silver rank teammate try to micro 😂
More of these please, this format is just so interesting!
What a fun series, please expand this concept
Amazing series... loved it so much! Cheers to all participants friend and foe ;-).
WOW this was so enjoyable that it hurt my face from smiling so much! AWESOME!
This is the most uThermal match type and I'm here for it. Absolute chaos!!
Honestly, just having a chance to play with uThermal alone would in itself be a wonderful experience. :)
I wish there was a way to just play this way as a learning tool. Matches where you can only macro and you have to learn how to glean info from scouting, and timings, without getting distracted by micro stuff, and matches where you have no control over what you get and have to adapt to the different kinds of units. It would flatten the game's learning curve by a ton.
Silver Macro, GM Micro, God Tier Multitasking.
This was so fun to watch. Makes me want to play archon with a discord connection with someone.
This is such a fun idea. What a delightful video
Super fun vid, deffo more of this Thermy
Really creative video. Great content! And well done to your iamserral and opponents
"For me, it's my jam, but it's really wild."
Amasing LOVe to watch this kind of chalenges.
The next challenge - beating grandmasters with no macro. uThermal plays archon mode, except the other player goes AFK in the beginning of the game.
That was brilliant video, does not look so good from title. The last game was epic.
Really enjoyed this. Keep em coming
This is such a good idea! Wish you could make a series off this idea!
dude these challenge videos are something else XD
wooow , this "silver" macro is looking like what i remember platinum play looking like.....