The way you deal with losses is what impresses me the most. This is definitely one of the things that distinguishes the mind of a pro from the rest of regular players.
I think it's completely fine if you go for strategies that don't play to your strengths yet. It's not about getting to grandmaster asap but about seeing fun innovative games with strange units or weird strategies that normal players like us can't execute because we don't have the mechanics. So go crazy and lose games if need be - that's fine!
I don't think it even needs to be about making it to GM, necessarily. I'd rather see truly wacky builds that top out at Master, than slightly quirky ones that are viable up to GM. The Protoss/Zerg content has been great for showing wackier strategies.
Would love to see a Supply Block to GM series in which you constantly bully your opponent to be supplied, ignore the eco or the army, just supply block them into oblivion.
Challenge suggestion: Hidden Main to GM. Immediately build a hidden proxy to use as your new main, just letting your "old" main mine til it's attacked, then lifting it off to a corner to feint that you're just throwing/trolling (but really stalling for the hidden main to come online). Like a higher-stakes Bongcloud.
If you open gasless, you need to let that spine finish pretty much no matter what and especially against early ling spam. You should also go up to 4 queens ASAP. This can hold endless amounts of lings even with a queen in the wall and you are still way ahead economically.
This is worth considering, but making nydus worms are *expensive* and you don't get units for all the resources you spend on them. Especially as part of a rush, I think that's too many resources not spent on units or upgrades unless it connects perfectly. Using multiple nydus is more of a late game thing.
Best way I know to force a Zerg into roaches in ZVZ is walling off your second with a fast roach warden. It’s only minerals. Then you start the spire, go Ovie speed, and ling drop. Just to keep the roaches home. And then muuutas
There's a weird zerg opener I've tried a few times, but would love to see how it fares from a GM: Double extractor cancel into mining with 16 drones til ~1m15s, then throw down a hatch and pool at the same time, only then make an overlord.
zvz spread out lots of your overlords on the map. Some people zig-zag patrol overlords and get speed - superb scouting and harder to hit with ravagers. Game 2 you held well and were ahead… roaches do better vs lings in higher numbers fights, maybe just wait for higher supply? Those offensive nydus worms unloading into ling surrounds were questionable Awesome games! :)
Zerg expert here - for that 1st ZvZ, all you needed was a single baneling to pop out of that nydus. Or just exist like it immediately ruins ling flood.
@@ferallhamster970 zerglings surrounded the nydus worm, there's no microing away from a baneling popping out. Baneling vs zerglings is a hard counter, kid.
Man the first game! GG Next up is macro zerg to GM! No kidding I'd love to see that, maybe as skyzerg + ling early, and lategame infestor bonus? Also holy crap the first oppo was mental about losing.
Try burrow roach and burrow dying roaches. they regen fast while burrowed. If you are good at wack-a-mole and they have no detection you should not lose any roaches. this works really well vs zerg with an 8 roach attack with plus 1 missile (makes roaches 2 shot lings instead of 3 shot, thats 1/3 less shots for a kill!) you can assault the front like this, sometimes get a win. or transition into slow drop the main if they spine crawler the front with mass queens. you can use 3 roaches to block a ramp like terran does with depos and you can even burrow them to let units through lol. this pairs well with corruptor play if you want to play defensively. you can snipe the 3rd while slower roaches stay at home to defend as they cant move out if lings get map control but they will win the fight on the defense
One recommendation i would make (not meant to be a criticism, games are quite cool), is perhaps pulling back instead of pushing. In that second game it was clear he was defending, but you had a great opportunity to step back and defend. Instead you kept pushing. I think sometimes you default back to the win in 6 min series you did before!
I love watching these but i don't play SC. I have an idea for a video, not sure how well it would work. I have a feeling of how trades go based on Thermal's reactions but i don't actually know what's a good trade and what isn't. So my idea, have the stats of trades pop up on screen for a few seconds afterwards, unit losses and resources values. E.g. 5 zerglings = X crystals vs. 10 probes = X crystals, or whatever they are called :)
Zerg is, and always was, the most powerful race -- If you can use it well. Zerg have an unlimited skill ceiling, but a high learning curve. There's so much about Zerg most players never use, like burrow.
You obviously don’t play online video games… wishing death upon your enemies is standard protocol. I think I wish death upon three 9 year olds today in a single gaming session.
@@MentorX14 if it’s just a “you” thing like you claim…. What was the Protoss player just doing? Being a diiick in video games is pretty common is all I’m trying to say. We all wish death upon each other daily.
Hydra would have been the macro choice in game 1, I think, although I was curious how muta\corruptor would do diving - not well, getting a parabomb and getting out would have been better. Using caustic spray on buildings is a good cheese, but it works much better as a suprise, not so good with rays out. Hydra den pops faster than spire, and and unupgraded hydra suck off creep, and in small numbers, so teching them before you need them is good. Muta glave attack wears Protoss shields down quickly, while hydra do high dps target fire, and split the glitter beams. Corruptors are ok against Voids in smaller numbers, and, of course, Phoenix and capital ships. Also helps when you wreck the opponents economy with cheeky ov drops. Couple banes in the Nydus would turned game 2. Your ZvZ is actually very good, some of the best I've seen, your zerg in general, you should consider switching to a mans race!
Cheese idea: send 3 probes to block the natural and both third locations. Maybe send 2 and put down a pylon. It just sounds very obnoxious and pretty funny
On game 2 would have been cool to see 2 nydus and make a wall around the roaches, like force shield. I know, easy to say as an after the fact. Fun games to watch.
Why don't you do the one dropperlord elevator anymore? You could probably afford more things to drop. Does the speed of the 2-4 overlord drop make it hit harder?
Bro that guy wasn’t raging at you. You were playing Zerg, which are very similar to glyphids so he was making a reference to deep rock galactic. Die like your mother is a quote dwarves often yell in DRG when facing a swarm of glyphids.
Instead of loitering around you always made the natural hatchery drone mine 5 mineral from a nearby patch while waiting. Is this mineral forever gone when the drone transforms? 😱
In game 2. for example, when you move drone for taking natural, you mine minerals by it. Can't understand, what for?) You'll lost that amount because drone will morph to hatchery... Can some1 explane this to me pls?) And sorry 4 my English btw
recently I've noticed that you are committing to the all in even though you're behind a base and are aware of it. Later in the game if you're that far behind I don't think there's any coming back without expanding as well.
I am unaware of how uThermal sees morality, how he decides if a word or deed is Good or Evil, but if it is even close to the way I see it I am forced to wonder how he does not see this as an exercise in torture for most of the people he plays climbing the ladder. They get super angry, huh? Could it be that they value their time, and have a fairly solid expectation to be playing someone that will not simply beat them to every punch. You know, like a fair fight? Shame on you.
uThermal's next Zerg challenge should be "Creep Spread to GM". He will find it to be the hardest one he's ever taken on.
Diamond go run fear by it
reminds me of the overlord rush to bronze I did.
The way you deal with losses is what impresses me the most. This is definitely one of the things that distinguishes the mind of a pro from the rest of regular players.
I think it's completely fine if you go for strategies that don't play to your strengths yet. It's not about getting to grandmaster asap but about seeing fun innovative games with strange units or weird strategies that normal players like us can't execute because we don't have the mechanics. So go crazy and lose games if need be - that's fine!
I don't think it even needs to be about making it to GM, necessarily. I'd rather see truly wacky builds that top out at Master, than slightly quirky ones that are viable up to GM. The Protoss/Zerg content has been great for showing wackier strategies.
TLDR; We’re just here for the show.
Totally agree. Don’t care at all if you win or lose, it’s the fun out of the box strats that are just plain fun to watch!! ❤
GD, leave some comment for the rest of us :P
I can't imagine how Krodin reacts to real life problems.
by committing domestic violence no doubt
@@Chris971. That would imply that he has people around him, which I highly doubt.
Hey Marc, you know whats even crazier than ling dropping? Ultra dropping!
Ultra juggling!
Would be awesome
@@Necrocidal We need Ultra Juggling.
Would love to see a Supply Block to GM series in which you constantly bully your opponent to be supplied, ignore the eco or the army, just supply block them into oblivion.
very cool idea
The salt would be so high 🧂
4:00 skip the 4th OV and get OV speed. Use three OVs to get the lings on target. Ferry them
Had this exact thought
Challenge suggestion: Hidden Main to GM.
Immediately build a hidden proxy to use as your new main, just letting your "old" main mine til it's attacked, then lifting it off to a corner to feint that you're just throwing/trolling (but really stalling for the hidden main to come online). Like a higher-stakes Bongcloud.
If you open gasless, you need to let that spine finish pretty much no matter what and especially against early ling spam. You should also go up to 4 queens ASAP. This can hold endless amounts of lings even with a queen in the wall and you are still way ahead economically.
Idea : If you're going to nydus, build 2 nydus networks, so you can plant worms in two places at once (e.g. bottom and top of cliff at same time)
Do the screams overlap like the nuke notifications?
@@redredbluemustard I believe if you make them right after the other then it’ll be hard for the opponent to distinguish the 2 separate screams
This is worth considering, but making nydus worms are *expensive* and you don't get units for all the resources you spend on them. Especially as part of a rush, I think that's too many resources not spent on units or upgrades unless it connects perfectly. Using multiple nydus is more of a late game thing.
Sheeeeeesh, Krodin Needs a chill pill
Right? Lmao like goddam bruh! XD
Marc you absolute maniac
Not satisfied with turning every terran on the ladder into a total troll, now you're corrupting the zergs too!
Insert "Down here, salt is a way of life meme"🤣
Best way I know to force a Zerg into roaches in ZVZ is walling off your second with a fast roach warden. It’s only minerals. Then you start the spire, go Ovie speed, and ling drop. Just to keep the roaches home. And then muuutas
For future challenges, maybe Blind-countered to GM? Where you either tell them what you're doing at the start or let them pick.
Let them pick your build sounds comical lol
That would be very hard, especially in high MMR. Itd basically either be super late game every time or all in the micro.
Did you make bots to comment this? Been seeing a lot of these exact suggestion. You must really hate uthermal
@@Seba-iz6wc ah no I guess I'm just not that original! 😅 Love his vids, excited to see what he does next.
@@olivine404 haha ok, well this challenge would be impossible :)
There's a weird zerg opener I've tried a few times, but would love to see how it fares from a GM:
Double extractor cancel into mining with 16 drones til ~1m15s, then throw down a hatch and pool at the same time, only then make an overlord.
zvz spread out lots of your overlords on the map. Some people zig-zag patrol overlords and get speed - superb scouting and harder to hit with ravagers. Game 2 you held well and were ahead… roaches do better vs lings in higher numbers fights, maybe just wait for higher supply? Those offensive nydus worms unloading into ling surrounds were questionable
Awesome games! :)
Hahahahaha that first game was pure gold comedy
every time i watch Uthermal i feel like i can do this and then i start playing and realize i cant. keep up the good work UThermal
Zerg expert here - for that 1st ZvZ, all you needed was a single baneling to pop out of that nydus. Or just exist like it immediately ruins ling flood.
Not if they micro like….. at all
@@ferallhamster970 zerglings surrounded the nydus worm, there's no microing away from a baneling popping out. Baneling vs zerglings is a hard counter, kid.
Snowflake Protoss DESTROYED!
right what a loser that guy was
Snowtoss
I just love the way uThermal talks!
Man the first game! GG Next up is macro zerg to GM!
No kidding I'd love to see that, maybe as skyzerg + ling early, and lategame infestor bonus? Also holy crap the first oppo was mental about losing.
the dropperlord strats really are a thing of beauty
Lmao im holding you personally responsible for the ling drop i just had to defend
I run into this guy in Arcade, he's always like this
The salt economy is booming
Your Zerg is so chaotic. I love it
20:40 doing the old LagTV 'microing your macro' trick
Try burrow roach and burrow dying roaches. they regen fast while burrowed. If you are good at wack-a-mole and they have no detection you should not lose any roaches. this works really well vs zerg with an 8 roach attack with plus 1 missile (makes roaches 2 shot lings instead of 3 shot, thats 1/3 less shots for a kill!) you can assault the front like this, sometimes get a win. or transition into slow drop the main if they spine crawler the front with mass queens.
you can use 3 roaches to block a ramp like terran does with depos and you can even burrow them to let units through lol.
this pairs well with corruptor play if you want to play defensively. you can snipe the 3rd while slower roaches stay at home to defend as they cant move out if lings get map control but they will win the fight on the defense
i appreciate your enthusiasm haha
Love your enthusiam!
I think you'd really like the Ling-Muta-Bane and Queens in Nydus style. Nydus has sooo many applications. Can also be used like recall.
I'm on a binge of your videos, please more!!!! But if you need a break again go travel. You deserve it! :P
Amazing first game! Complete with surprise salt :D
One recommendation i would make (not meant to be a criticism, games are quite cool), is perhaps pulling back instead of pushing. In that second game it was clear he was defending, but you had a great opportunity to step back and defend. Instead you kept pushing. I think sometimes you default back to the win in 6 min series you did before!
Opened yt in the Intention to see Ur Upload in the Timeline and Here we go
I love watching these but i don't play SC. I have an idea for a video, not sure how well it would work. I have a feeling of how trades go based on Thermal's reactions but i don't actually know what's a good trade and what isn't. So my idea, have the stats of trades pop up on screen for a few seconds afterwards, unit losses and resources values. E.g. 5 zerglings = X crystals vs. 10 probes = X crystals, or whatever they are called :)
super cool series, tks a lot!
This is how I imagine a terran main plays zerg. doom drops and all
I am not sure you tried proxy hatch in main with burrow roaches if you hadnt I think you should its fun build
Zerg is, and always was, the most powerful race -- If you can use it well. Zerg have an unlimited skill ceiling, but a high learning curve. There's so much about Zerg most players never use, like burrow.
That salt, holy moly. Entertaining game.
4:30 ling doom drop. Epic troll build
EU Protoss need to seriously chill. It's just a game. No need to issue death threats on people and their mothers.
if EU ignited a war in the US you'd issue death threats aswell
You obviously don’t play online video games… wishing death upon your enemies is standard protocol. I think I wish death upon three 9 year olds today in a single gaming session.
@@flashlight5287 Ever thought of it beeing a "You" thing? There is no merrit in beeing a dick...
@@MentorX14 if it’s just a “you” thing like you claim…. What was the Protoss player just doing?
Being a diiick in video games is pretty common is all I’m trying to say. We all wish death upon each other daily.
@@flashlight5287 no it's not standard. You might want to seriously rethink your life choices.
Hydra would have been the macro choice in game 1, I think, although I was curious how muta\corruptor would do diving - not well, getting a parabomb and getting out would have been better.
Using caustic spray on buildings is a good cheese, but it works much better as a suprise, not so good with rays out.
Hydra den pops faster than spire, and and unupgraded hydra suck off creep, and in small numbers, so teching them before you need them is good.
Muta glave attack wears Protoss shields down quickly, while hydra do high dps target fire, and split the glitter beams.
Corruptors are ok against Voids in smaller numbers, and, of course, Phoenix and capital ships.
Also helps when you wreck the opponents economy with cheeky ov drops.
Couple banes in the Nydus would turned game 2.
Your ZvZ is actually very good, some of the best I've seen, your zerg in general, you should consider switching to a mans race!
it's funny how you get bamboozeled by a zergling flood and a muta follow up when you did this yourself a few episodes ago... you silly goose.
Cheese idea: send 3 probes to block the natural and both third locations. Maybe send 2 and put down a pylon. It just sounds very obnoxious and pretty funny
A crazy drop followed by a classic muta ling. Love it.
On game 2 would have been cool to see 2 nydus and make a wall around the roaches, like force shield. I know, easy to say as an after the fact. Fun games to watch.
I feel like standing and fighting instead of stutter stepping is what made your roaches lose to the lings
Guy needed that CHEESE for his WHINE.
Why take minerals with the drone before making a hatch? does it still give you the minerals?
Unfortunately synonyms🤣:
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21:35 ayeyeyeyeyeyeye
Don't be upset Marc, I think you did great. You just need more experience in ZvZ to accurately see the outcome of combat
Use me as a keep crying Krodin button
That guy was a real turd sandwich
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No
wow the bad manners
why u didnt use transuse for the buildings?
So, has your double extractor trick become the new zerg meta yet?
Marc Zergerberg developing Meta and pissing people off...
Life, eh.. imitates art.
Can we see underground roach strategy into their base? Lol
Did I dream it or did he connect his main and natural with creep?
In wich MMR are the soltiest plears???
Here's a ZvZ cheese to try, make like 10 lings and send 2 drones along with them and create spines on his creep
I think it requires a worker pull to defend the spines against their workers.
Creep used to extend past actual vision range which made it more common.
Why don't you do the one dropperlord elevator anymore? You could probably afford more things to drop. Does the speed of the 2-4 overlord drop make it hit harder?
hmm big boom to gm? tanks, nukes, mines, and medivacs if you're keen
Did you say cheeseis at the end of the game? ;-)
Bro that guy wasn’t raging at you.
You were playing Zerg, which are very similar to glyphids so he was making a reference to deep rock galactic.
Die like your mother is a quote dwarves often yell in DRG when facing a swarm of glyphids.
ive always been a zerg main, it was always so fitting to me like a glove.. just make more hatcheries, dont waste mineral and supply on queens :)
This must have been good training
Krodin be watching this
Favorite show of yours
Instead of loitering around you always made the natural hatchery drone mine 5 mineral from a nearby patch while waiting. Is this mineral forever gone when the drone transforms? 😱
Why doesn't anyone bury and dig up Banelings anymore when the Marines walk over them en masse? Just like it used to be in WOL... :D
Losing a game to a more skillful opponent is beyond ones control. Losing ones dignity by having a tantrum about it, is entirely self-inflicted.
Have you ever thought about mass baneling drops. I mean you are basically already doing something very similar
when i saw the word die i thought he was speaking german
DIE DEUTCHE hehehehhe
Zerglings-the new mutalisk
Don't need 4 over loads for the ling drop cause u can elevator as many lings as you want ... maybe I just don't get it lol.
In game 2. for example, when you move drone for taking natural, you mine minerals by it. Can't understand, what for?) You'll lost that amount because drone will morph to hatchery... Can some1 explane this to me pls?) And sorry 4 my English btw
He's a Terran main, doesn't cost T or P, Z is better off searching dark corners.
I want to see more terran cheese
feels like im watching a TvZ
Its so funny seeing salt
Uthermal is my favorite silly goose 🪿
epic videos man :)
Krodin is almost certainly reading these comments lol 😘
Salty laughter
S-s-s-s-s-alt MINED
recently I've noticed that you are committing to the all in even though you're behind a base and are aware of it. Later in the game if you're that far behind I don't think there's any coming back without expanding as well.
Poor kiddo forgot its just a game lol. So salty!
Should have made scourge on game ! :)
That was so incredibly mean, far worse than saying gay or whatever. He went after your MOMMA!!! HOW DARE HE!
For such serious BM isn't there a temporary or permanent ban?! I had one account in LOL get perma banned and I wasn't flaming this much.
Breaking: Protoss Player Angry when Losing
Is it me or having 4 overlord is not really usefull ? Just have 2 and after the first drop come back for the rest of the zerglings.
Video games are serious business
25:45 LOAD UP THE UNIT TESTER AND FIND THE ANSWER OUT FOR YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“I don’t like making hydras, I’m not comfortable using them”
- After going 16 mutas😅
That first guy was really immature yes
I am unaware of how uThermal sees morality, how he decides if a word or deed is Good or Evil, but if it is even close to the way I see it I am forced to wonder how he does not see this as an exercise in torture for most of the people he plays climbing the ladder. They get super angry, huh? Could it be that they value their time, and have a fairly solid expectation to be playing someone that will not simply beat them to every punch. You know, like a fair fight? Shame on you.