The Boeing 757X? Could Boeing Re Engine The Flying Pencil?
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2021
- The 757 was a HUGE success for Boeing. Now, Airbus is starting to take the lead in this market with the Airbus A321LR+XLR, however, the A321XLR only really offers a partial solution. The 757 found a popular place in airline fleets with its short takeoff performance and medium-range capabilities. So as Boeing considers its next mid-size aircraft, would an update to the 757 be a good option?
The 757 has been a great success for Boeing with 1,050 aircraft built before production ended in 2004. Indeed, airlines are still struggling to replace it, with the A321XLR only offering a partial solution. So as Boeing considers its next mid-size aircraft, would an update to the 757 be a good option?
Boeing developed the 757 as a successor to the popular 727. This early tri-jet, which followed the 707, had done very well for Boeing, opening up new options for jets on shorter routes and at smaller airports.
Boeing originally proposed the 757 with two different-sized variants. The smaller 757-100 would offer a capacity of around 160, but this was dropped due to a lack of interest from airlines.
The first 757-200 entered service with Eastern Airlines on January 1st, 1983. The -200 was also developed into a freighter version, launched in 1987 with UPS. And the larger 757-300 entered service in 1999 with Europen airline Condor.
The 757-200 is especially popular with US airlines, with all of the major legacy airlines (American Airlines, United Airlines, and Delta Air Lines) operating it. American Airlines was the largest operator (with a fleet of 142 aircraft) but retired them in 2020 amidst pandemic-related fleet simplification. Delta Air Lines then became (and remains) the largest operator.
It has also been a popular choice in Europe. British Airways was one of the first airlines to take the 757-200 and operated a fleet of up to 54 aircraft until retirement in 2010. Icelandair remains a major operator today.
A re-launch of the 757 could prove to be an excellent move. If the range can be increased, the higher capacity and ability to operate at smaller airports could ensure solid sales.
Fast forward, after 757 production ended, Boeing was researching the possibility of a new mid-market aircraft dubbed the 'NMA', this got dropped. Dropping the NMA has left Boeing without an offering in the mid-size, long-range market. Previous 757 customers have struggled to find replacements, and it’s fair to say that Airbus has now moved ahead with the A321. The A321LR entered service in 2018, taking the range up to 7,400 kilometers (4,000 NM).
The A321XLR will go further with a range of up to 8,700 kilometers (4,700 NM). There are currently at least 450 orders. The largest orders are from American Airlines and United Airlines, with 50 aircraft each. Both airlines have been 757 fans, of course. Several airlines are seeing the A321XLR as a 757 replacement. It works for capacity and range but lacks the performance characteristics of the 757.
This leaves Boeing will several options for what to do next. Doing nothing seems unlikely as it would effectively hand the mid-size market over to Airbus.
Could the Boeing 757X, therefore, be a possibility?
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@@mgsaviation9292 southwest should get them
@@ojaaviation but they are all 737 airline
Choosing to not redesign and continue the 757 was one of boeings biggest mistakes. Basically gave up on the market the plane was best suited for and let Airbus dominate it. Hopefully they bring it back
Right on!! BIG mistake…
But it would cost more than making a new plane because they closed the production line
@@woodduck2178 Not really, its the other way round. They already have blueprints for the 757
also, Boeing could use the 767F production line, as the type was developed with the 757
@@zedriclouis87 No, they couldnt. Despite their communality in cockpit there are very few in building it.
Probably the most versatile aircraft Boeing ever built.
And one of the most beautiful
Yes you are right but it was more popular in US than in Asia!
Don't know why it wasn't that popular?
@@andrewgurney6019 😍
Pure fun to fly ! Like flying a corvette !
One of the most powerful too
757-200 is one of the best planes ever. Worked on them in my time at Delta and flown on many times. Rebirth on that variant makes sense.
I work on them at Delta now and I absolutely love them, but they have become a maintenance nightmare now. Most of the issues are with the ones that were parked for Covid. This issue goes away after a few weeks of flying then. I hope they come up with a Boeing replacement. While airbus is a good plane in my opinion Boeing puts out a better product.
BA used to fly the 757-200 domestically as the super shuttle service. they were terrific. in those days BA were big into Boeing. flying now on a 320/321 is just not the same.
Man I’ve watched a few what if videos about the 757… would be amazing to see a re engined version and production line !
It's one of my favorite aircraft types, so I'd love to see it upgraded. Modern engines would be the first thing to do, followed by upgrades to the wings and avionics. Given the number that are still used, I'm surprised that these upgrades haven't happened yet. The biggest downside to the 757 design is the turbulence they create for aircraft behind them on approach or takeoff. I don't know if this issue could also be addressed in an upgrade while maintaining the shorter takeoff and landing performance that is one of the standout features of the 757.
Maybe the upgraded wings could reduce slightly the turbulence with a new wing tip
Any airplane of that size create turbulence for aircraft behind them on approach......
There was a crash in the 1990’s attributed to turbulence created by a 757. As a result, ATC in the US will warn pilots on approach if they are following a 757.
Classified as a heavy, so appropriate separation rules apply concerning wake turbulence.
Add fly-by-wire. No more control cables.
The DC-8-63 was some flying pencil!
Please keep the 757, I absolutely love it!
757 = muscle plane. Love that buzzsaw RB211.
It wouldn’t sound like that at all though if they re-engines it, it would likely sound like the a220’s engines, so basically silent
@@ayoutubechannel921 you’re in the minority
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I can only imagine flying an older 747 with 4 of them
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These days I’d be happy to fly on a 747 in any configuration lol. But yes, I agree, that would be awesome
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@@tomdavis3038 all I said was that if they re engines the 757, it wouldn’t have the rb-211 sound to it
Not going to happen. All the manufacturers tooling has been destroyed including contractors. Most frames made have already been scrapped. Boeing dropped the ball and missed the opportunity to the A321XLR
good thing I knew someone already said this before I did
Is that typical to destroy the tooling? Just seems like a waste, they couldn't sell it off? I mean what's the difference if you're not going to make more? Though I guess we're talking about peanuts here.
@@cefb8923 yes, most of it is destroyed due to the fact that most of the tooling and other production equipment in aircraft industry is unique to each aircraft model. Only scrappers have use for most of it. As such, first-gen modernisations (777X,neos etc) often make financial sense.
Someone on a Boeing tour was told they still had all the jigs and tooling and referenced a building but said it was gone so they could close the conversation down. Seeing Boeing of the last few years, I believe it
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout I think mainly because the 767 has been succeeded by the 787 in the smaller dual aisle configurations
Modernised 757 could make a great machine!!!
It would be amazing. New more fuel efficient engines, lighter body, keep same instruments and buttons….. I would love to fly in it.
A great machine perhaps, but probably not a great business case.
I think it would suffer against the A321LR and XLR, which will be cheaper to produce, operate and arrive many years earlier to the market.
Of course I want Boeing to upgrade the 757.
Love ❤️ flights on the 757! With Delta anyway, by entering at door #2 and having a lavatory soon after the first class cabin, it provides a somewhat more serene FC atmosphere. A frequent fliers dream.
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I think Boeing should update the engines, flight deck and cabin on a great performance and well designed 757.
I think a revised 757 should have the following updates: 1. New engines 2. Replace flight control system with FBW control system used on the 787 3. Cockpit avionics similar to 787 4. Option for HUD 5. Same interior lighting as 787
A new fuselage - something between the -200 and -300; new engines like the 777-9, new wings, like the 747-8; new winglets, like 737max; reduced weight and new cabin design and new technology inside the cockpit. I think it would be so nice to see it flying! ✈
I believe a 757X if Boeing decided to bring the 757 back would have raked wingtips like the 787s not the split winglets like a Max
my favourite plane is the 757 so hopefully they do
If it was still in production, there might be an upgrade path. But as it's been out of production for so long I can't see how it would happen.
If anything, a rewinged/engined 767 is more likely as they still make it for the military.
They still build the cargo variant for freight carriers as well. FedEx has a big order underway at present.
I’d love it back. All the AV forums have discussed to death the possibility of restarting an upgraded 757. The consensus is Boeing disposed of the tooling to make the 757 wing and fuselage, etc. In conclusion, not likely to happen as we know and knew it. Sadly.
Excellent overview … thanks!
I absolutely love the 757s what a magical plane performance wise
I really love the 757, it would be great to see an updated aircraft (like update the avionics and all, maybe the controls) and most importantly switching to new efficient engines, that would still allow for great versatility along with long range capabilities
I would love to see the 757 refreshed! Beautiful aircraft!!!
It is my favorite narrow body by far. I especially liked the boarding in front of the wing. Fast boarding and deplaning.
I love that the Iron Maiden livery was the one selected to be front and center.
TheB757 was the most incredibly reliable aircraft ever. We flew them for twenty years and the maintenance snags were virtually none every year. Oil fuel and passengers that’s about all we ever changed.
I was a flight attendant on that Icelandair plane TF-FIR in 2019 :-)
I hope the 757 makes a comeback again 😁
I once flew the 757-300 with condor on the route Frankfurt-Shannon-Halifax. Our original 767 was broken so the replaced it with the 757. Due to high headwinds that day we had to stop in ireland to refuel before the hop across the pond.
the way engine tech has changed, an updated 707, 717, 727, 757, and 767 all should be considered. A 727 would essentially be a commercialized, extra big, falcon 9x, would love to see that
it is really simple that the development cost & return-on-investment don’t make sense for such a niche market for Boeing and suppliers… especially after the XLR grabbed a lion share of the market…
😳 I dare to dream!!! Love the B757 and I am “wishful thinking” it could have a market and future…
And very good looking too!
Re engine the Boeing 757 could be a great ideal
I love Ed Force One in the intro :D
The most interesting part of the 757 story is the -300. Only 55 were built, but 5 years after the line was closed down, the airlines were screaming for them. All of the dash 300s are still in service. Now that the -200F conversions from the 80's are being forced into retirement, Boeing needs to jump on this opportunity. New wings, new engines, and new leadership at Boeing.
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They Should have thought about this 10yrs ago
Yes I would love to see Boeing update the 757
This would be the game changer.
Best Boeing I have ever flown. Second favorite was the 727. I wish the 75 were back in production. It’s far superior the the Bus.
The 757 has always been my favorite, and a lot of airlines has the 757. I think it is amazing just the way it is. I think we should keeping it how it is.
Awful grammar
@@profgustavomanriquez2434 Sorry, I don't if that is a problem to you as I was in a rush.
One of the best, she’s definitely the prettiest. Re-engine her, new wings (with inboard ailerons this time), modern flight deck, cabin redesign, and all the modern widgets that Boeing’s learned the last 40 years that would make operating her more efficient. The thing would be a legend (more than it already is…) every sale of an A321XLR is a lost 757 sale. Boeing should’ve done this years ago.
Wonderful aircraft
I think it would be smart to kepp the fule tanks that size but redisign the engeinds and mabye make the fusalague a little lighter material that might increase rang and fule efeciency or they could do that but use the extra weight saved to make the aircraft longer/wider.
Beautiful plane
In my opinion Boeing should've started development on the 757x or maybe even 767x about five years ago in order to close the gap until a new developed aircraft is ready for production.
The 757 was a very well liked product in it's day , would be a good move for a upgrade . Don't know why they stopped making it as we have put up with 737's since 1964 .
Nice,
Arguably Boeing could have done an updated 757 while developing the 787, although that may have been difficult as far as budget is concerned. Then again they may have been able to share engines and wings, leaving the 757 fuselage mostly the same.
In any case now the best hope for Boeing is to get the NMA back on track, after being shelved by the Max grounding
I would really want a new type of wing so it stands out of the crowd, more capacity, new engine and increased range
I think the 757 is a good looking jet and I want to fly an updated one someday
I am very excited for Airbus A322
Restart production, new wings, engines and avionics plus some composite materials used throughout the plane, and there you go, new 757, surely costs wouldn’t be as cheap as when Boeing updated the 747, but it would be worth it imo
From a passenger standpoint as a 100k flyer for 2 decades, mostly long haul, I Hated single-aisle flights longer than 3 hours. My worst ever flight was 7 hours in a 757 DET-DUS. My XXL self, shoulders wider than an economy seat, blessed with my chosen aisle exit row, but middle-seat occupant, an even larger Iraq-bound body-builder, and a nearly spherical woman "rounding-out" our over-stuffed row on the window. When confined to my seat during "fasten seatbelts" times I was a minimum of 6 inches into the aisle. I was fortunate the cabin crew permitted me to stand for over half of the flight as they were sympathetic to our dilemma.
Nope, I want no part of a single-aisle long haul regardless of airframer.
Simple Replacement-in-Kind would do wonders.
On aesthetics alone there's an argument for revival in an updated form. It's the most beautiful airplane in the sky.
Still my favourite Boeing!
I wish they brung back the 767, it's my favorite plane and Icelandair is using a glass cockpit for it.
The 767 is still being built and delivered as far as I know
I flew this model for just 3 years. I never got to the point of enjoying the plane. The wing design is susceptible to turbulence, the long fuselage makes it difficult to load/unload people, and trying to land it smoothly was a huge challenge. It’s an old design and along the 767 series, IMO these need to go away. Ret Captain
Like others I think a redesigned 757 brings so many benefits for Boeing but a bigger question is the lack of a replacement for the 767 especially for short-haul high demand routes. Personally, I would love to see this introduced either through a redesigned 767 or as a shortened version of the Dreamliner. As environmental challenges increase, as do staffing costs, high frequency routes I suspect would be better served by a larger suitable aircraft allowing slots to be released for new routes as more direct flights become the preferred option.
Whilst high speed rail is developed in several countries this could mean a reduction of slots from domestic or just over the border services may follow (when considering travelling times to the airport & allowance for airport security etc) some rail journeys can be done quicker or potentially cheaper due to the higher capacity which will see capacity released at airports. Our travel habits pre pandemic were changing as new markets were opening up this trend I see potential to continue on the other side of the pandemic.
If you look at KLM at Heathrow they used to operate 3-4 flights to Amsterdam using small aircraft in a 1.5 - 2 hour window but were able to consolidate these into less flights but with higher seating capacity allowing them to sell slots so picture how we could benefit from similar moves with not only aircrew costs reduced but also ground handing costs per passenger and maintenance overheads reduced. The move from loose load baggage to container loading is a massive time saver (therefore manpower saving) likewise do you need as many gate staff to carry the same number of passengers.
Also with the evolution of aircraft the new Qantas non stop services from London to Australia in my opinion will see more evolution of travel and potentially more opportunities for existing or new carriers to fill the voids left by those struggling to survive not helped by the pandemic. If you look at the U.K. to Australia markets will we see changes in demand to Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong if sufficient traffic moves to the direct flights, likewise will this released capacity also have the knock on effect of increasing tourism to these cities or their wider countries. These are both markets that both Airbus and Boeing need to consider.
Composite bodies on both the 757 and 767 along with new engines and other upgrades may also help with the performance and financial attractiveness of these aircraft but also development of options to use new fuel sources something I believe will become even more of a game changer in the lifespan of aircraft being designed now.
We must also remember that it is also not only about passengers but these aircraft have a great place in the air cargo market and we need to look at options to minimise the environmental impact of shipping goods by air but also via maritime routes as, whilst I appreciate this is an aviation channel, the pollution from ships (cruise or freight) is also an area that engineers need to focus on if we are to benefit from good transport modes but with reduced environmental impact.
I think the difficult part will be finding an engine that provides the same power as the PW2000 or RB211 but with large efficiency gains, so the development on engines alone would take a long time, since I'm not sure that Pratt & Whitney can develop the PW1100g any further nor the Rolls Royce making the Trent for narrowbody use. But I can see wing technology from the 737Max would be very helpful indeed. It sure would be great to see the 757 return. Sure was a very capable and reliable aircraft.
Bigger engines, state-of-the-art wings or redesign winglets, modern flight deck equipments, 21 century's cabin interior.
And now let's welcome the mighty brand-new B757X ! lol
I think they missed a massive trick by going with the 737MAX. The 757 already has the height to install larger engines.
The 757 MAX would be an excellent option :)
No more MAX please....
The absolute best plane of all time. (Also my favorite)
02:24 It would have been interesting to hear more about its "very unique production system".
Did not find anything regarding this with Google. Anybody knows what this refers to?
Well I heard that they built it on the same line as the 737 but since it’s longer it didn’t fit as well and needed special machinery and stuff, that’s what I heard anyway
When he said it was expensive to build, it gives you an insight into the thinking at Boeing
I prefer the buzzing noise aka the RB 211s
The buzzing noise is a result of the fan spinning supersonic which is bad for the engine. That's why newer engines have slower spinning fans such as geared turbofans.
Better than the vacuum Of the NEOS
Embraer did it the 190 to 190E2 was a major success, 757E2 type would be well accepted if it included cabin upgrades, new engines and wings, new avionics, basically just use the shell and update it 40 years.
What was tri engined plane on thumbnail?
Coming from a UPS aircraft mechanic we need a replacement for the 757 in the near future.
I should say yes. Use the 797 or NMA plane as a kind of 737.
I'd like to know what Boeing is wating for. The B752 is beautiful, elegant and with new engines and a sky interior should be the best choice for the new narrobody transatlantic flights tendency.
I do think a redesigned 757 would be amazing and would love to see her updated, but realistically it'd probably cost them more to update the 757 than just building a completely new aircraft 👌
A baby 787 could work perfectly, scale her down into a small widebody, 787-2 seating the same as the 757-200 and a 787-3 Seating the same as a 757-300. A smaller 787 would have three huge advantages over any of the A321neo XLR families, 1. Much better payload, meaning way more cargo space, 2. A far more spacious cabin, which would be far more suitable for transatlantic, should airlines want to also fly those aircraft transatlantic as well as short haul, and finally, she'd have more range than the XLR too 👍
Too little, too late.
There's a new flying pencil in town.
And his name is A321-XLR.
I'm a die hard 757 fan, But at the end of the day the A321neo has won this battle. The 752 and 753 are nearing thier ends for passenger service. The re-engining options will be decided on by FedEx and UPS. As long as the price is right i can definitely see both companies looking at this option over new aircraft.
Boeing should just close up shop. Since the bean counters took control it has been mistake after mistake. Thanks to all the engineers who used to build and design great planes.
This also has potential as a TANKER platform.
Make more sense to base Boeing 757 as it’s successful aircraft!
I would prefer maybe a 787-7 but that would look weird. The only other thing possible would be a 767X, which is what I’d prefer. But maybe a completely new design that has an A330-sized fuselage
The 757 is a nice plane to work on I work on then a lot over my year working in st.Thomas us virgin island so I will love to remake the 757
I have had conversations with both flight crew members and mechanics and they all love(d) the B757. My gut feeling is cargo carriers like 5X, FX, plus the various FX carriers abroad and the various DHL carriers worldwide would buy them up. The B757 was built to be a B727 replacement; the B757 is still an excellent replacement. The cargo version would be worth Boeings time, energy, and efforts (just my opinion). As a passenger, I love(d) riding in them.
The 757 is a great aircraft but all of the production tooling etc would be well gone by now so it would almost be like starting from scratch. If Boeing could update production methods and reduce costs, while not having to certify a whole new type, it could be a winner.
While it's sad to see the RB211 gone I would love to see a big boy engine being put again on the 757. I highly doubt the bean counters would allow carriers these days purchase planes with a high thrust-to-weight ratio for economic reasons, except of course in hot airports.
Newer Trent variations would make it quite a performer but the physical size of the engines would need a new redesign of the landing gear, which I doubt Boeing would even do if the 757 was still alive during the new 737 MAX era.
757X: upgraded engines, refined version of current fuselage, carbon composite wings, other weight saving features, new cockpit.
If anything, do an update to the 767. The airframe is in production (military and freighters). Update the 757 would be nice, but it is not in production so the costs would be much higher, I liked its performance
That’s true, a 767 the size of the -200 with new engines could really be an ideal aircraft for the middle of the market
The 757 was the first Boeing type rating I received. Ceasing production and dismantling the production jigs was one of the stupidest things Boeing ever did. Now EVERY airline is buying the A321. By the time Boeing comes out with anything to compete there will be no market for it.
I like the flying hotdog, or the DC-8-73F
The engines are one part of the upgrade whereas the pressurization of the airframe looms as a challenge depending on hours in service.
Exactly.
The 757 is one of my favourite aircraft in terms of looks and capability. From a business standpoint its crazy that Boeing has allowed Airbus to so easily steal sales for a 757 replacement. I guess the worlds largest aircraft company is at full capacity building two or three new airplanes while simultaneously cost cutting and pleasing shareholders at the expense of quality and innovation at every turn
Make a topic for Aircraft Maintenance.
Bring back the 757!
Absolutely update it
What features made the 757 so good for hot and high? big engines? slats flaps and wing design?
Thrust to weight ratio and wings loading.
If you expand this 2 key metrics, you'll find the 4 perimeter which is MTOW, thrust, wing area and weight.
@@chingweixion621 Thanks for that, clarifies my thoughts.
Of course it all depends on what the airlines think their markets will be in the next decades. A320 and A330 have a good overlap in passenger numbers and range so new hot/high versions could be their answer. B737 Max and B787 have no overlap so a new model is required unless B787 is downsized as B737 is now more of a liabillity and has no capacity for larger versions. Boeing has a very serious problem by if it wants to match A320XL & variants and needs to develop a B737 replacement. I think that bringing back an excellent 40 year old design is not the way to go even if the tooling and full design still exist. Boeing are in a hard place.
@@tonyshield5368 actually both boeing and Airbus lineup has a gap. Between the A321and the A330-200/800 use to have an A300 sitting in between and that is left without a replacement now. That is also the direct competitor of the B767-300ER which boeing also does not have a replacement. Unfortunately for boeing they also have no replacement for the B757 which left them with a very big gap in their product lineups.
An updated, re-engined 757 should have been done at least 10 years ago, in retrospect. At the time, a business case could not be made for it; it could now. Unfortunately, by the time it could be put into production Airbus will have the market so saturated it probably would not sell enough to justify.
OMG YES I REALLY REALLY LOVE THE 757
No airliner can replace the 757 with the RB211's the 757 will always remain at the top !!
The jury is still out on a narrow body for long haul flights (even the A321XLR) and the optimum solution both technically & financially for Boeing would be to forget about either a 757X or 767X and re- ignite the 787-3 as originally proposed. Scaled down, reduced weight, lower cost than the 788 but still state of the art technology which they already have.
Add just enough more cabin for a 2-2-2 twin isle configuration and widen the main door to speed loading and unloading. No center seats more overheads and a faster turnaround. Keep the power and performance and add 200nm to the range.
Adding "just enough more cabin for a 2-2-2 twin (a)isle configuration" is a whole new fuselage size, thus a brand new airplane model, not an "upgrade".
Richard Didrickson
Boeing doesn't need to redesign the 757. They need to redesign their bean counting board.