I read the manifesto for this proposal today and it is absolutely wild - do you want me to make another short diving into how insane this guy actually was?
vic 3 isnt that bad tbh it just needs a lot of work and it could be really good i mean hoi4 is dogshit and people love it. Hell people are hyped about a update about a continent thats only known for hiding nazis in ww2 and if you are into south america then you might know they sent a couple troops over and had a couple coups and facist parties
also like hoi4 only makes money cause of their goated ads and trailers like holy moly dude who the hell is pretending to be adolf hitler and literally doing the same thing over and over again atleast in vic 3 you dont declare against the whole world on the 3rd time you go to war like its like an edging competition. The warfare is cool but like bro sending a tank to die knowing its just a png is lame asf
@@Akantperdorimi2 actually Serbs and Albanians were good neighbors at that point of History... I mean normal relationship not like best frineds or great enemies.. Tolerant neighbors.
@@stefanmiloradovic5819 Not at all. Serbia had taken over half of the Albanian land in the Treaty of London 1913 and Albanians were absolutely triggered. Independence movements and guerrila bands formed all over Kosovo and other Albanian areas to resist Serbian rule, while Serbs considered Albanians as sub-humans and, according to a magazine written by Trotsky based on his own eye testimony, killing Albanian civilians had become a sport among Serbian soldiers, who would go around a fire at night and brag with one another on how many Albanians they had killed that day.
@@saultd2343 no just the Hapsburgs and their deformed chins because why would the Jews let the papal states to even exist let alone take most of Italy, only the Hapsburgs would do something like
@@Dryrubbersock yeah, and the whole idea was to destroy national diversity because that's what destroyed the AH Empire. That's why the borders are so weird.
The problem is each nation is so VASTLY different (culturally, historically, ethnically, etc), that there's no way in hell that this would've worked. Especially during the 1920s
Nah, it worked in USA. As long as a powerful idea holds the union it will be alright. USSR had hundreds of nations inside, not only European nation but also Asian nations. And they were okay until they were left without a unifying ideology after the fall of communism.
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC Imagine the americans telling europeans to abandon their extremly different culture language and History just because the US are Big but forgot one thing. They are all americans and they didn't fight themselves for the entirety of History (Imagine telling that 20 years ago to a French Verdun veteran)
Yeah, this is the same reason why mass immigration in Europe from Africa and Middle East doesn't work. Different ethnicities and cultures will never be able to coexist peacefully, it's human nature to want your culture and ideas to dominate in your home. Rich people in power trying to brainwash us into thinking it's possible just becaude they want to exploit 3rd world countries and lowering salaries all around in Europe are an existential danger to our very existence, for us white people in Europe. So much so we're organising our own disappearance for the 1% to reign supreme without questioning the morale of such a thing. The exact same reasons why it's impossible to have peace when forcing vastly different people to coexist together peacefully.
@@LeSadistique I think he was Hungarian. No German would say that part of the cantons would have to be put in charge to Hungarians when they wouldn't even be the majority in any of the cantons. Most likely some educated Hungarian from the former austro-hungarian empire
@ulitina1 Those spokes at the end are what it's borders are supposed to look like so a massive mix of peoples and cultures would take place. However due to their extremely small population Hungarians would likely be a minority in most if not all of these.
as an austrian i can tell you, that secretly when we dream, we dream of empires and lebensraum, to fill with austrian buerocracy. sometimes an austrian goes to bed, and wakes up with a feeling, that he must lead germans to make em achieve goals.
There was a state like this. It was called the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. Didn't end well, because you can't force a unified language and culture on different people.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 It formed 1867 and ended in 1918. It lasted for about 51 years. And it's language barrier was one of the reasons it lost World War 1.
Esperantians: who? They doesn’t exist or at least they are not europe, obviously denmark it’s part of germany and the UK is another continent, also spain it is african and american XD
The forced moves into the various "triangles" in itself would be disastrous, let alone the impossible start of uniting the three starting countries and the cursed use of Esperanto.
I saw this, and immediately my brain said "you are uniting several major nations under a single banner, who all colloquially hate each other in the 1920s." This was before NATO which effectively achieved the same thing without forcing people to speak the same language, and defend a singluar corridor. NATO also kept its national borders policies, because god forbid you allow a bunch of people who have ancient blood hatred for one another live in a land where their boundaries are now gone. Definitely a totally bad idea
I Mean, If The Official Language Was Something Nobody Spoke, The Empire Is Protected By A Select Amount Of Groups And Has Weaker But More Stable Neighbours You're Just Asking For A Restoration Of The Roman Empire; Literally Every Iteration Had These Characteristics, Even The HRE In Part
A better idea would’ve been to unite countries baste on language. A Latin country A Germanic country A Scandinavian country Slavic countries would’ve been probably divided in east, west and south That would have vastly improved the stability then… This
"Scandinavian" isn't a language. They all have their own. The idea behind this plan was to do away with borders between languages or cultures. Each Canton being multi-lingual and multi-cultural is deliberately by design. I do however agree that you're correct about the stability of this proposal.
Brochure representative - "Anyone got any name ideas? We've been thinking it's between "Unified Europe" or "European Union" Rest of Europe - "Both sound solid" Austria - "What about the Holy Roman Empire?" Rest of Europe - "Habsburg for the love of... Lord give me strength."
Depends on which type of government it should have. Anything that wasn't a federal republic or a confederacy would be difficult and speratist movements could quickly gain hold. See Spain. What I actually find wild is that they called it "United Europe" while there are still separate countries in Europe though. Why not go all the way?
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I read the manifesto for this proposal today and it is absolutely wild - do you want me to make another short diving into how insane this guy actually was?
It’s a great idea- if your goal is to cause a world war! 😂
Yes
Yes!
I'd love more information about this
Yeah sounds interesting
Civil war speedrun
Europeans are violent 😔
i will touch you speedrun
true XD
@@Americansaxon3619 hre was basically a "united europe" so it is possible
@@vaultboy6911 hre was more of a disunited Germany
It's a terrible idea, and as such, it should be possible in Victoria 3 ofc.
vic 3 isnt that bad tbh it just needs a lot of work and it could be really good i mean hoi4 is dogshit and people love it. Hell people are hyped about a update about a continent thats only known for hiding nazis in ww2 and if you are into south america then you might know they sent a couple troops over and had a couple coups and facist parties
also like hoi4 only makes money cause of their goated ads and trailers like holy moly dude who the hell is pretending to be adolf hitler and literally doing the same thing over and over again atleast in vic 3 you dont declare against the whole world on the 3rd time you go to war like its like an edging competition. The warfare is cool but like bro sending a tank to die knowing its just a png is lame asf
what is this unhinged rant about and who called for it lmao@@zombiefirebot6066
@@zombiefirebot6066 you o ly have bad taste lol😂
Yes please
"Serbia and Albania unified."
Me: Throws phone away
@@WagnerGroup-o9x you're a nazi
That would be the most impossible item of the project.
@agbottan 😆
@@WagnerGroup-o9x to be fair it does look like Albania and a modified kosovo so it kinda makes sense
It just like you telling a Turks they were islamized a Greek.
"First, Serbia and Albania would unify" that's a bad start XD
@@Akantperdorimi2 😂😂😂
@@Akantperdorimi2 actually Serbs and Albanians were good neighbors at that point of History... I mean normal relationship not like best frineds or great enemies.. Tolerant neighbors.
@@Akantperdorimi2 I don't said precidly bad (・▽・)
It would be possible if
@@stefanmiloradovic5819 Not at all.
Serbia had taken over half of the Albanian land in the Treaty of London 1913 and Albanians were absolutely triggered. Independence movements and guerrila bands formed all over Kosovo and other Albanian areas to resist Serbian rule, while Serbs considered Albanians as sub-humans and, according to a magazine written by Trotsky based on his own eye testimony, killing Albanian civilians had become a sport among Serbian soldiers, who would go around a fire at night and brag with one another on how many Albanians they had killed that day.
country with 20 nationalities inside of it: *causes a globe-spanning war*
some guy 2 years after the war: what if we made that but worse
Did the cantons in the proposal actually look like that? Lines radiating out from the capital do not make good borders
I just looked it up, and yes those spokes appear to be the idea.
Europe isn’t very good at creating artificial borders
Should Europe make Dirndls illegal? #history
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Based as hell nice👍
@@coalkingryan881
Ain't that the truth 😅
"First, Serbia and Albania would unify"
see now that's the first mistake
they already fucked up on the first thing
This smells of yet another Hasburg plot for world domination
More like jewish, the "no nations idea" and the use of esperanto gave it away
@@saultd2343 The joooooooooooos are watching me while I'm sleeping
@@saultd2343 Yes, the Name of the Jew was Richard Von Coudenhove-Kalergi
@@saultd2343 no just the Hapsburgs and their deformed chins because why would the Jews let the papal states to even exist let alone take most of Italy, only the Hapsburgs would do something like
jewish* look up richard von kalergi and the pan european league
Once I heard you say "Serbia and Albania would unify", I already knew it was going to be an awful idea
If you're a Habsburg fanboi but hate the Spanish branch of the family:
I'm guessing whoever made this lived in austrohungary
@@Dryrubbersock yeah, and the whole idea was to destroy national diversity because that's what destroyed the AH Empire. That's why the borders are so weird.
Probably some jew
@@duocred1535 What does that have to do with anything?
The problem is each nation is so VASTLY different (culturally, historically, ethnically, etc), that there's no way in hell that this would've worked. Especially during the 1920s
Nah dude just make them speak Esperanto, it’ll all work out just trust me bro
Nah, it worked in USA. As long as a powerful idea holds the union it will be alright. USSR had hundreds of nations inside, not only European nation but also Asian nations. And they were okay until they were left without a unifying ideology after the fall of communism.
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC Imagine the americans telling europeans to abandon their extremly different culture language and History just because the US are Big but forgot one thing. They are all americans and they didn't fight themselves for the entirety of History (Imagine telling that 20 years ago to a French Verdun veteran)
Yeah, this is the same reason why mass immigration in Europe from Africa and Middle East doesn't work. Different ethnicities and cultures will never be able to coexist peacefully, it's human nature to want your culture and ideas to dominate in your home. Rich people in power trying to brainwash us into thinking it's possible just becaude they want to exploit 3rd world countries and lowering salaries all around in Europe are an existential danger to our very existence, for us white people in Europe. So much so we're organising our own disappearance for the 1% to reign supreme without questioning the morale of such a thing. The exact same reasons why it's impossible to have peace when forcing vastly different people to coexist together peacefully.
@@Adil_Turysbek_TVRC You don't know what you're talking about 😂
I like how Sweden and Norway are not a part of the United Europe but still expected to bully Finland just because?
@@McDudes Norway bullied Finland?
Believe it or not: 700 simultaneous civil wars
The words (balkan nation) and unify should never be used in the same sentence
Unless it's the sentence "All these balkan nations unified in their hatred of this particular balkan nation"
@@kiritotheabridgedgod4178 in your drugged imagination
"Look guys, i'm not saying it's the best idea ever, but hear me out..."
"we going to make serbia and albania unite" you will have easier time uniting europe than these two
@@mrrk3501yeah, or anyone to the serbians
I like the idea that the pope, by this time back to focusing on religious matters, suddenly finds himself in control of italy
This would give any historian a heart attack
Who even made this proposal? because just the fact of the possibility of Albania and serbia unifying is insane
As a Balkaner, the idea of Serbia-Albania 😂😂😂😂😂
That certainly is a solution for the Kosovo divide, but even Yugoslavia would’ve been more stable.
“Bulgaria would just hang out” One Proud Bavarian
Of course it was Germans. That sounds like Germans all right.
@@LeSadistique I think he was Hungarian. No German would say that part of the cantons would have to be put in charge to Hungarians when they wouldn't even be the majority in any of the cantons. Most likely some educated Hungarian from the former austro-hungarian empire
@@danielwilke7574 Hungarians are a majority in Hungary?
@ulitina1 Those spokes at the end are what it's borders are supposed to look like so a massive mix of peoples and cultures would take place. However due to their extremely small population Hungarians would likely be a minority in most if not all of these.
@tennosred2 Yeah, sorry I kinda misunderstood it at first
@@danielwilke7574 Nope. But I am hungarian.
This game is gonna explode paradox
Tell me: was it a German's idea? And yes I consider Austrians also to be Germans
as an austrian i can tell you, that secretly when we dream, we dream of empires and lebensraum, to fill with austrian buerocracy.
sometimes an austrian goes to bed, and wakes up with a feeling, that he must lead germans to make em achieve goals.
@@certaindeath7776 pls no more. you get us in trouble with the French. every. single. time.
Grüße aus Bayern
@@certaindeath7776AEIOU, I guess.
Technically Austrians don't have There own Language they Use German as there Language pls Correct Me if I'm Wrong
@@Louis-Napoleon You are correct. But they have of course their own dialect.
Where they high?
Yeah we were and it was great
Probably the ancestors of woke people poisoning our minds today tbh
I can see they wanted Manga Greecia to be a thing again with greece randomly getting sicily/south italy again!
It would be cool lol
@@ByzantineItalianMapper It would be one of the biggest and most immoral abberations of this project, dumb Byzaboo.
Did you mean "Magna Graecia?"
Or is "Manga Greecia" a reference to something I'm unfamiliar with, possibly related to Japanese cartoons?
@@Raz.C no, it's a misspell
But sadly no western Asia Minor.
As a hungarian, I don’t even care about the gains anymore, this feels like a terrible idea.
most sane paradox gamer:
Europe if it was made in the style of today's sub-Saharan African countries😂
"If Europe colonized Europe" ahh map
There was a state like this. It was called the Austro-Hungarian Monarchy. Didn't end well, because you can't force a unified language and culture on different people.
it lasted close to a thousand years mate, granted they didn't force language and culture on anyone until the last 100 years or so.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 It formed 1867 and ended in 1918. It lasted for about 51 years. And it's language barrier was one of the reasons it lost World War 1.
"Serbia and Albania would unify" already knows a 3rd Balkan war would happen
In hindsight its one of the worst ideas imaginable, I can see how someone at that period in time could think its a good idea though.
i can't
Honestly the cantons being set up as spokes seems like a logistical nightmare
What about Spain, UK and Denmark?
Esperantians: who? They doesn’t exist or at least they are not europe, obviously denmark it’s part of germany and the UK is another continent, also spain it is african and american
XD
i like how Denmark is just vibing by itself.
That is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard😂
I lean on the side of realism but your narrowing down playstyles and making the game linear making these changes. Still love you though paradox.
New alt-history HOI4 mod idea
Oh, the Music from Victoria 2, nostalgia
“let’s unify europe! not that part, though. or that one. or that one. or the other one. perfect!”
It's not appropriate, the way I was thinking it was just fictional
I think the idea with Finland was that it used to be a lot smaller, so Norway and Sweden were making it smaller again...
This video alone convinced me to stop being an internationalist and actually care about borders.
i mean why use your brain right?
(Yugoslavia)² * 5 = _this_
The forced moves into the various "triangles" in itself would be disastrous, let alone the impossible start of uniting the three starting countries and the cursed use of Esperanto.
Austro-Hungarian empire trying to get to version 2.0
„Serbia and Albania unite“ - is this hardcore mode?
Also Greece just randomly gets to survive
"Serbia and Albania unified."
- (Mission Impossible music) "This state will self-destruct in 5 seconds."
What did they smoke to propose such a thing?
Sounds like a dystopia from those female written books where the main girlboss has 2 orbiters
Perfect Europe
This is just wildest proposal ever existed. 😂😂😂
This is already the average PDX game
well I totally agree with this, I'd like my hometown to be the capital
Just shows how insane some people are thinking that politicians can rule the world like this
Esperanto looks like Spanish but you completely ditched all Spanish words and place and mix bunches of foreign influences together to create it.
Okay wow thats a terrible idea
Lets fucking do it
As a Greek, we would be chilling with our homies Italians 😅
I saw this, and immediately my brain said "you are uniting several major nations under a single banner, who all colloquially hate each other in the 1920s."
This was before NATO which effectively achieved the same thing without forcing people to speak the same language, and defend a singluar corridor. NATO also kept its national borders policies, because god forbid you allow a bunch of people who have ancient blood hatred for one another live in a land where their boundaries are now gone.
Definitely a totally bad idea
I Mean, If The Official Language Was Something Nobody Spoke, The Empire Is Protected By A Select Amount Of Groups And Has Weaker But More Stable Neighbours You're Just Asking For A Restoration Of The Roman Empire;
Literally Every Iteration Had These Characteristics, Even The HRE In Part
A painter tried to unify Europe under his regime, it didn’t end well
A dude two decades later tried to implement this as well but only under one nation and one language with its capital being Berlin.
It is called the EU so it already happened. All EU members are given the Illusion of being free and independent, but they are not.
Total Iberian Victory
Making Esperanto the official language would’ve unironically been the stupidest choice
Bro really told everyone 'trust me bro'
This idea is how you start WW2 20 years early.
Hearts of Iron 4 ahh proposal
Better than what it is today
A better idea would’ve been to unite countries baste on language.
A Latin country
A Germanic country
A Scandinavian country
Slavic countries would’ve been probably divided in east, west and south
That would have vastly improved the stability then… This
"Scandinavian" isn't a language. They all have their own.
The idea behind this plan was to do away with borders between languages or cultures. Each Canton being multi-lingual and multi-cultural is deliberately by design.
I do however agree that you're correct about the stability of this proposal.
@@SingleMarketEnjoyer-ft8vc I know that Scandinavian isn’t a language but still their languages (Norwegian , Swedish etc) are fairly similar
Me an italian: "my country..." (We literally fought for indipendence till 60 years prior this)
I don't know Jack about Serbia and Albania, but even I knew this would be impossible when you said they would be unified
we getting an ancient china situation with this one
Ayo, Kola-Norwegian recognition? Pog!
Looks greate!
Kinda sounds like they're still trying to do it too this day, Esperanto included
Poor Finland😢
Generally most modern esperantists are against the idea of using it as a global language, that idea's popularity faded during the cold war
14-year-old Tumblr user's world peace proposals in a nutshell.
The most european thing to me seems that Europeans tend to want to be united but cant decide how to unite europe
Albania and Serbia together? Oh boy
First, powder and flintstone will be unified, this will be the base of our shiny house 😂
The United Europe and Esperanto thing is great, but what were those other preposterous proposals?
The ethnic conflicts would go crazy
I have a feeling that I can guess what ethno-religipus group the man belongs to who came up with this idea.
Bulgaria, Serbia and Greece should unite. Revive the 1st Bulgaria empire or the Byzantine.
Balkan Empire.
Ther was also a similar idea in the second half of the 1400s.
Did the Painter come up with this? It totally sounds like he did.
Brochure representative - "Anyone got any name ideas? We've been thinking it's between "Unified Europe" or "European Union"
Rest of Europe - "Both sound solid"
Austria - "What about the Holy Roman Empire?"
Rest of Europe - "Habsburg for the love of... Lord give me strength."
can you share your maps font?
Depends on which type of government it should have. Anything that wasn't a federal republic or a confederacy would be difficult and speratist movements could quickly gain hold. See Spain.
What I actually find wild is that they called it "United Europe" while there are still separate countries in Europe though. Why not go all the way?
8 hours later:civil war
Let us all remember that Opium was legal back then
As a Bulgarian I wouldn't mind that 😂
How to piss everyone off 101
Someone's been sniffing glue.
The guy who makes this is definitely drunk
I want to see an alt history video on if this really happened.
It would be a disaster. It is clearly evident from current crisis. Atleast they could avoid fighting each other.
Wtf, and where do we hide our cultures?