I've been using the GR3 for about 2 years now. Keep in mind that the GR3 is very specialized. It's designed to be a "snap shot" camera. The preferred way to use the GR3 is one handed, with snap focus. Just point the camera at the subject, and push the shutter. You don't even necessarily have to compose the shot. Point, shoot, and walk on. If necessary the picture can be tidied up in post. The goal is to capture a moment, an event, not to create a pleasing image. Snap focus is decisive here. The split second saved over auto focus is crucial. If you prefer to work this way, the GR series is unique. There is no alternative. The tiny, plain looking body with a fixed, wide angle lens simply completes the package.
The Fuji XF10 has a similar snap focus feature. I don’t own a GR, but to my understanding that feature is pretty customizable on them, whereas on the Fuji you only have two presets. But the option is there. I imagine you could do the same shooting in manual mode on any of the other cameras listed in this video as well.
Not entirely true. There are alternatives, but only the GR is unique in the fact that it has the option to choose snap via its shutter button. You can do almost exactly the same with an Olympus OM-D, but you need to program this change using a separate switch.
I just got a Lumix LX5 and I really appreciate it. I know it's over 10 years old. I like collecting older ones that still take great pictures and were top in their day.
Despite the zoom lens, you can set the LX100ii to a specific focal length which the camera remembers when you turn it off and back on again. In this way, you have something approximating a fixed focal length camera while retaining the option to zoom when you wish. I also like the manual controls on the LX100ii and the fact that you can see the camera settings without turning it on. That said, the GRIII has replaced my LX100ii as a street and small general purpose camera because the ergonomics and useability are better overall for me.
@@mattisulanto I agree that the zoom is frustrating. When shooting I keep mine on with the LCD off and EVF turned on. Not ideal but it helps to be ready to get the shot rather than waiting for the lens to emerge like a tortoise from his shell
Thanks for always asking the questions I would ask-and providing answers. I was impressed with my GR IIIx, but I didn’t want to carry it in a pants pocket. I was nervous the thin little lens cover blades would get bent or broken, or dust would get in the camera. Then I realized if I was always going to put it in a bag I might as well carry my GX850 with another lens or two. The GX850 has better AF and a tilting screen. I like the LUMIX 20/1.7 and 14/2.5. So many good cameras, so little time. Thanks again. ✌️👏👍
Thanks for sharing. I seldom put the GR in my pocket, I hold it in my hand so it's ready all the time. Your are right, too many good cameras and too little time😀
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I have the XF10 and its great point and shoot. Images are razor sharp in every aperture. You have the simulations, its tiny and the flash is great for the parties to have the 90s film look. I am never selling that camera. It even risen on price lately. I bought it for 330 eur second hand.
Hi, I love to use the lumux gm1 with 14mm lens for street photography. The advantage vs the ricoh is that I can change to an other focal lenght if I'm going to shoit portraits for example and still have a very tiny package.
The sharpness and resolving power of the lens, means you can crop in significantly before quality starts to drop off. More so than more expensive lens DSLR combinations.
Is there a 1 inch sensor camera that is like the phased out but ahead of its time lumix cm-1? It had a fixed elmarit lens that was very sharp and full of contrast and character
Hi, I have the Sony zv1 and rx100 IV . Also own a Canon g9x ll and used them in street photography. Although they have zoom lenses, you don't have to use them. I only use the widest angle and they respond quite fast.
I love my GR3x, it’s the right tool for the right job when that job presents itself. And for those who say it’s only a snapshot camera is to downplay their art. Compositional considerations don’t even need a camera, just your eye, then you decide on the right tool to capture the image. Are there alternatives? Yup, I’ve tried and liked them all but the GR hangs with me without the baggage. Hey, if the camera becomes the end result, then the GR or any of its alternatives, just becomes another expensive paperweight. Thanks Matti, love your subject material. Very relevant.
I have been using the Fuji X70 as my 'second' camera and it is full of Fuji goodness with an XTrans 2 sensor if that’s your thing. It is pricey used, but a great small pocketable camera with a flip up/down/forward screen that is very handy but no viewfinder.
very nice selection of cameras to have fun with! If i could give myself an advise (some decades ago) it would be: don't aim to find the perfect camera and get lost in a deficit view. it's a ride and you are "in progress". It's the challenge that forces you to grow and it's convenience that bores you and let's you loose interest... People like you and Robin helped me to realize this stuff! thank you Specs might help to identify the "best" camera, but i would not have ended up with three Pentax Q Cameras because of "technical wow data" true for jobs i still tend to take the bigger sensors but it's impressive how happy most clients are with the 12 MP pictures from a 1/1.7 inch sensor in between the big sensor pictures... now one cares if it's a "telling" picture
So the alternatives are all significantly more expensive if new, or, you can buy much older versions of the recommended cameras. Hmmm...I think I will just take my chances on the Ricoh.
I am a M4/3 shooter that came from APS-C around 2011. I often use a GX85 with pancake lenses for street photography. When I need something pocketable, I turn to my LF1 and LX10. The LX10 can remember the last zoom position and in aperture priority at f/4.0 you can basically point and shoot with no fuss. The lack of EVF is no issue since I find that I only use the EVF on my larger M4/3 camers like the G95 and G9. An LX10 or RX100 VA would be all the camera that most people need.
An option in place of the XF10 is the Fujifilm X70. I have been using it for years. It's about as good as the GRII. With 16mp it's got pretty good resolution at f4 and up, the f2.8 works best at 1-2m. Plus you get a flip up selfie screen for holiday selfies with the family, as well as saving your back on awkward shooting angles of children and pets, or for creative angles. You should immediately put a filter on the lens though. Mine got dirt on the sensor in the first week because I put in my pocket before I got the filter. With the filter, no more extra dirt.
I went a similar route: The Fuji X-M1. Xtrans 1 sensor (same as the Xpro1). Interchangeable lenses. I have a couple pancake lenses for it. And it's pretty tiny. Along the lines of the XF10, and smaller than the X70. Cool little camera. [edit... NM, it's a tiny bit bigger than the X-70]
@@-grey ya, I have a hunch this next go around they might do a small X-camera. They haven't released an Xpro in awhile. The X100v is a few years old now. I feel like they're working on something. They must be well aware of the X70 prices (and XM1 prices aren't cheap either). At least I hope. There's certainly a market for small X lens cameras.
For me, an articulating or at least a tilting screen is a must. There are countless occasions when I used the articulating screen on my old Canon G12 to take discreet pictures without being noticed. I like the Fujifilm X30, which takes good pictures, although it's somewhat heavy and bulky. I recently acquired a Lumix LX10, which I like, so far. It fits in my pocket and takes good pictures.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
A few holidays ago,.i thought about this and went for the Oly tg-6, just because it has some features i am familiar with. I know it has a smaller megapixel count, but i was not planning to print. I just wanted to gather memories. I accept.it has some limitations, but the combination of ruggedness and Oly features attracted me
Fixed focal length vs. zoom: I know what you mean. There is freedom in having just one fixed lens. It means you are forced to move more but I have found that most walk-around photos can be taken using a 35mm equiv. lens. My Lumix 12-32 (24-64) is nice but not essential. On one trip I took the Oly 17 f1.8 and Lumix 35-100 f4-5.6. That was a nice combo because for those times I needed some reach, I had the 35-100. Those plus my GX9 are little to carry. On another trip I had the 14-140 and, although I like that lens a lot, I didn't enjoy using it as much as a prime. Too many options and it was big. I was a tourist and I looked like one 🙂
Great video. I put together my own budget "GR3" by finding a used Olympus PEN EPL-6 (that only had only 900 shutter activations), with a M. Zuiko 17 mm 2.8 fixed lens. Together they were less than $300. One day I hope to buy the beautiful and extremely pricey Fujifilm X Pro 3 for my shutter therapy.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
@@photographer8486 The camera you bought was a good choice, but it's certainly not compact. You may want to just get a nice compact 50mm f1.8 lens for it as that would handle much better and is very versatile and fast enough for low light shooting. If you want to get a smaller body, you could downsize from full frame to APS-C. A Sony APS-C Alpha 6600 would be awesome, and you can still use e-mount full frame lenses (as your your Tamron 24-70 2.8 is a great lens!)
Sony ZV1F is fixed wide lens with digital zoom also if you set 1:1 and its experience is closer to a 35mm lens. Youll love the FN button to switch to manual focus once you set the focus distance similar to the gr
My ultimate alternative: The Ricoh GX200! It's basically a Ricoh GR Digital 2 or 3 with a zoom lens and there's an optional electronic viewfinder. It's old tech by now but it has a 12 MP CCD sensor that shoots RAW and excellent SOOC monochrome images. And it features the same form factor and layout as the more expensive fixed lens Ricohs.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
All good camera’s no remarks on that. I use now for several years the Olympus Pen F with the pancake 14-42mm with a superb quality and handy size. It can be said that is also a perfect camera for street photographers on my opinion.
The Ricoh GXR is also a great alternative, especially with the A12 (Leica M) or Ricoh 28mm modules. It has an accessory VF2 viewfinder but overall it’s a bit larger than the GR series.
I have a PEN E-PL1, and it's actually pretty big compared to an NEX3. An old NEX 3/5 would give you a bigger sensor, more MP, and more lens options than MFT, at least over older PENs.
If that's your jam, an a5100 is going to be a better option than the Nex. It added the 24mp sensor and hybrid autofocus of the a6000 into the a5000 body - which itself was based on the nex 5 body. That gives you the most feature packed and high spec option for a super compact APSC shooter at an approx. $100-200 pricepoint (depending on how lucky/patient you are). Pair it with a 20mm pancake lens (or the16mm, but I hear that has terrible image quality) for another $200 and you have an insanely compact, insanely cheap alternative to the Ricoh at a fraction of the cost that also has technological parity and a better autofocus for around $300.
@@JimIBobIJonesThe problem is with lenses. The Sigma 19, 30 and 60 are the smaller lenses for the e mount that are actually good in image quality. But then they become quite a bit bigger as compared to GR.
@@byhyew all compact lenses trade off sharpness and fidelity for portability. The Ricoh is no exception. The Sony 20mm f2.8 is pretty good though, much sharper than the 16mm
@@JimIBobIJones I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Thanks for your tips - but in the end, all these cameras have too bulky (with the exception of the XF10, which really has a terrible autofocus.). The only one that can really be carried around all the time without being intrusive is the Ricoh. That might not matter to some, but for me, it's the difference between having it with me very often or just occasionally.
I have (had) a few of the mentioned alternatives and never saw these as an alternative for my Ricoh GR. Some stand out features from the Ricoh GR line: Easy one handed operation, snap focus, small/light, discrete, customizability, APS-C sensor. Unless you stay within the GR line, there will be some compromises to the point that it's not really an alternative anymore. Still have the Ricoh GR from 2013 and love it and use it. Fast operation, images are sharp, even at f2.8. Only low light performance is a bit lacking, but there is a flash, which the GR III does not have. Still have a X100 (original) and don't use it that much. It's an inspiring camera, but definitely not a GR alternative. Recently bought the Lumix LX100 II and sold it again (it's ok, but I expected better/faster performance) I have had the Sony RX100 (original) and sold it (I really didn't like to use it, such a bad UI)
I so wish my GR3X had a tilt screen (that is more important than EVF) but I'm getting used to it ... shooting one-handed portrait orientation most of the time.
Thanks for the video! I have an Rx100VII, but I am shopping for a similar camera with a faster lens. I think the Leica D-Lux 7 is another alternative in this range.
Tilting screen, EVF, interchangeable lenses, analogue controls are a must for me... No problem at 74 to walk a day long with my A7II or G9 and not shy in street photography. But there is a choice for all tastes I see that with the couples walking on the street. :-)
I use a compact Lumix LX-15 for a ‘carry anywhere’ camera. No need to ‘zoom’ if you don’t want to, but it has so many features if you need them. And I always also buy used from mpb or WEX in the UK. No need to spend £thousands!
I own that one LX10 for the last 5 years; it is a tiny cinematic beast. I have always mounted it on a zhiyun crame M ever since plus a ND8 or ND 16 filter and boom!
Wish for a view finder and weather sealing. However, I would buy a monochrome version anyway! You’ve helped me think about fixed prime instead of zoom and the simplicity.
Fuji XF10 is the greatest overlooked sleeper. I've had mine for a few years and I believe it is every bit as good as a GR. It's APS-C and produces amazing images. If it had a viewfinder it would be the best street camera. Even after a few years I still don't enjoy taking pictures with just a screen.
Less than a year ago I managed to get a used Sony RX1R. I paid it less than what a brand new Ricoh GR 3 would cost. If you can find a used Sony RX1R used cheaper than a Ricoh GR 3, I would definitely recommend you should buy as an alternative to the Ricoh. It is a much older camera with a 24 megapixel full frame sensor and a fantastic fixed lens made by Zeiss. You can get extremely sharp photos with an image quality which is definitely superior to that of a Ricoh GR 3 or 3x.
Thanks. I'm familiar with the RX1R and it's a very nice camera indeed. Hard to find used though, so you were lucky. Also much bigger that the GR3/x, not a pocket camera by any means.
My alternative is the Canon G5X Mark II. Great for when I want to travel light but still have a quality camera that is good for a wide variety of situations. The flip out screen allows for waist level shooting to be less conspicuous on the street. It has a fast 1.8-2.8 lens, a wide focal length range of 24-120 equivalent, and a pop-up EVF. I do get the appeal of a lens with a single focal length, as I've often shot with a DSLR with a pancake lens. But that is certainly not compact compared to the GRIII. Thanks.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I have a rx100v and it's a fantastic camera, I agree the zoom is a problem sometimes in term of velocity , but I sometimes need it. I had a fuji x100t and that fixed lens and short battery capability always drove me mad, the rx100v for me is a big leap ahead
I still have the very first (!) Sony RX100 which i haven't used in years but I will try it on streetphotography for a while to see if I can deal with some things like size, 28mm and other things similar with the GRiii. The RX100 has the same size, no viewfinder, a fixed display, I can use it at only 28mm KB, I can use it MF (to fake the snapshot). I think its a good way to find out if spending 1000 € is worth it.
so what did you find out? I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Thanks for the instuctive video. I like to take street photos with the rear screen up, a bit like using an old twin-lens reflex camera. So the GRiii's are not so good for me. I have the Canon M6 ii with an EF-M 22mm f2 lens, which gives a FF equivalent of a standard 35mm, somewhere between the GR iii and GR iiix. The body is a bit thicker and heavier than the GR iii's but you get a 32MP APSC sensor, fast auto focus, and when you need it you can add the excellent EVF. All for about the same price as a GR iii. The camera also supports interchangeable lenses which also makes this a good all-rounder.
Hello, I use (not at the same time) three cameras for street photography, the Fujifilm X70 with optical viewfinder accessory and the screen off (this setup is the closest thing to me to analog camera); the Fujifilm XE2s with 27mm or 18mm lenses, sometimes with pentax 110 lenses; and the Olympus Pen F with the Panasonic Leica 15mm 1.7 (gorgeous B&W). The most pocketable, X70; best autofocus, Pen F (and best B&W), at least for me. Saludos from Mexico City.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Don't forget the Panasonic ZS series and Canon G5X II. Both are competitors to the RX100 series, with 1" sensors and zoom lenses. A niche choice would be a Nikon 1 J5 and 10/2.8, equivalent to 27mm. About the same size as an RX100, same excellent sensor from some of the RX100s, decent controls, and an ILC lens mount. The 10mm is also pretty slim. If you need a viewfinder, there's the Nikon 1 V3, which has an optional EVF (and grip with a dial, custom button, and shutter). Otherwise, it's a small camera close to LX100 size. About the RX100's zoom "issue", you can set a memory recall to also recall the focal length. So every time you turn the camera on, it will zoom to that one specific focal length from the start. Another option available on that camera is the ability to zoom directly to common focal lengths. So you can use the control dial around the lens, turn it, and it will go 24 -> 28 -> 35 -> 50 etc. Gets rid of those middle focal lengths, and "organizes" the number of focal lengths you have to choose from.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Nice options thanks for your work! In a more affordable way, i'd say: _ Ricoh GXR+S10 and Ricoh CX5/6: killer options for street and candid (and i'd say also that CXs are f....n underrated) _ Sony RX100 mark I (i glued a cold shoe on mine, then a KMZ turret viewfinder as a companion...this combo in term of perf/price/compactness is unbeatable imo) _ Nikon P7xxx (love the 7100...CCD has that Thing) bigger, but outstanding optical performance _ Sigma DP1 slow, quircky, but man if you need archi stills or no motion atmosphere...that apsc foveon is...mmmhhhpphhh _ Fujifilm X-M1/X-E1: X-trans v1.0, lenses all over the place, rangefinder style, not too big, top notch picture quality and film simulations are really filmic when others are filmish 😅 Can't go wrong with those imo
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I am very happy going out with a solitary prime lens of my choice. A problem for me with the GR3 and the like is that the lens is not my choice. If I want a fisheye lens, tough. If I want Live ND, can the Ricoh do that? I used it Friday, on the street.
I am about to pick up the Nikon Coolpix A. 16mp apsc sensor and FF eq 28mm lens. Rugged metal build and weather protection. And perfect size to fit in a pocket.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
@@photographer8486 I really appreciated my small Olympus EM5 with the 17mm. Which in full frame is about like a 35mm lens. You learn how to compose by moving in or out from the subject. And just one focal length really in my mind was more fun. Just took the work out of it. And I feel I was more creative.
I have shot with both the GR III and IIIx, as well as every Fuji X100 version, and they are all very capable cameras and produce wonderful images. However, I no longer have any of them, and instead recently purchased a gently used Leica Q2 Monochrom. I am blown away! Sure, the price is high (I would NOT pay full retail for it), but you definitely get what you pay for! If you have the financial means, I highly recommend checking one out (either the Monochrom or the color Q2, which costs less). On the other hand, if money is an issue, then you can't go wrong with either the Ricoh or Fuji offerings.
Would be interesting to see alternatives, that are still in production.... so if you wan tot buy a new camera, what alternatives is there.... most RUclips videos focus only on alternatives that are old and no longer produced..... so I am curious, what are the alternatives if you will buy a new canera?
I chose Canon M200 with the F2.0 22mm (35mm equiv) pancake lens. You can get both new for $800... a bit less, actually. The lens is super sharp wide open, and the camera provides a 24MP APS-C sensor with great AF and Canon's beautiful color science. It's really hard to beat!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I would say the best direct comparison would be an MFT with Panasonic's 20mm f/1.7 (40mm equivalent, and faster than the GRIII). With the older panasonic GF cameras, there is a hot shoe electronic viewfinder, and though it works, it's very low resolution, but good for sunny days. The Olympus Pen F is a great camera, but it's larger and heavier. The best thing about the Pen F, though, is that you can fold away the screen and force yourself to only use the EVF, which is very comfortable and good. It's much more like using an old rangefinder. Panasonic has two newer cameras with built in EVF that I'd check out for this too, the GX85 and the GX9, though both are about twice as heavy as the GRIII. There is another camera, fixed lens, but with manual zoom and not that slow zoom in back and forth on a rocker switch: The Fujifilm X20. Yes, it's old, but it has a cool optical viewfinder, and is very fast to use. And you twist the zoom ring to turn on the camera! I compared some cameras to the GRIII, and even the tiny battery in the X20 has a better battery life (CIPA) than the GRIII, which came last at 200, with the X20 at 270. Since it can shoot without screen, and just the optical viewfinder, I'm sure it can be extended quite a lot. It is a little heavier, though, but only slightly bigger. And it has a tiny pop up flash that reaches 7m (1m longer than any of the panasonics!). I've only had mine for a short time, and haven't really had time to try it out doing street, but I didn't realize it was this high spec compared to the others! I think I'll have to 3D print a ring I can put on the zoom ring with a lever like on compact rangefinders, so that when it points straight down, I'm at 40mm equivalent! (My favorite camera ever is the QL17 GIII).
Nice video. I've been using various older cameras such as the Canon G11, M2, and even my older SD550. I also use other compact film cameras such as the Olympus mju and my Minolta Freedom Zoom. As much as I would like to find a GR III alternative, I can't and feel there's always a compromise somewhere. I will eventually invest in a GR III for simplicity, speed, and size.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Hi, I really do like your channel, that's why I have subscribed some time ago. But, and please don't get me wrong... at the end of the video you are saying that your Ricohs are the best for you, better than any of the alternatives you have described. How that if you have NEVER used the Fujifilm XF10??? As a photographer, I have to tell you that XF10 is by far superior for various reasons like flash, battery life, sturdiness and so on... But, no problem, just maybe in the future don't compare or give statements without using a certain camera prior to it, thank you 🤜🤛👍
I take my words back, maybe the XF10 could be better😀 I hope that makes you feel better. But I also said multiple times in the video, that it's only my opinion. I don't expect you or everyone else to share my opinions. Just like your opinion is yours and maybe I don't share the same opinion. If you think the XF10 is far superior camera, it's fine by me. I have nothing against your opinion even if you had no experience with any other camera. I'm happy for you because you have found a camera that you really like. I respect your opinion and I think it would be boring if we all agreed on everything. These are just cameras and everyone has a favorite one, but not necessarily the same one😀
@sulantoblog Thanks for the respond 🤩 well, to be honest, I do have an extensive experience with every camera mentioned in your video. You see, for us they are tools and I kept only the XF10. Give it a go, the camera deserves your qualified opinion since it's, from the photographers point of view the most serious and complete one, even for professional work as I can assure you! Keep up the good work 👏 😍🤜🤛
@@KarloFio thanks for sharing! I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Another option is the X-M1 with X-Trans sensor, or the Bayer equivalent X-A1. If you don't mind a smaller sensor, there's the X10, older GR digital series, and Lumix LX 5, 7, etc.
About $500 would get a used Sony 20mm f/2.8 pancake and an older APS-C body. That seems like that'd also be a really nice small snapshot camera kit, with a pretty similar focal length and still with an APS-C sensor. Don't get me wrong, I love my Fuji gear, but prices on used Fuji stuff has been shooting up lately--I've seen used x70s on big camera reseller sites more expensive than new GRiii. If I were to start over, I'd consider something like this.
Thanks for sharing. Seems good advice! I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Perhaps you've had them the whole time, but I've just noticed your spectacles - which make and model are they? I've been superkeen to get a IIIx, but the price and availability have kept it at bay. Now, I'm hoping for a GR IIImx (monochrome). They should bring Daido back for a promo launch for mono. The Sigma fp with Leica TL18, or ttArtisans 28mmF5.6, or i17mm could make for a verssatile alternative. Also, there are two (big) VF options, almost unlimited lenses, and ssd-raw video etc, so it can certainly serve other roles, too. The fp L's CROP-ZOOM feature gives the best of both worlds regarding prime/zoom approaches, too (and mitigates the rolling shutter complaints if you check the table at Cine D for optimal crops). The GM1 drew my attention to m4/3, and when the GM5 became cheaper it led me to buy the GM5, GX8, G9 and S1R -- pretty much accidently switching me to Lumix (now L-mount) from Fuji X-Pro (which I still use and love, but just don't tend to buy into now). So, even though the GM-line was considered a flop, it led me to spend a huge amount on Lumix, Sigma and Leica.
P.S. not to mention giving the old cameras to relatives who now use Lumix. Which reminds me, the 35-100mmF4-5.6 MINIATURE ZOOM gave me an appreciation for zooms that I'd never had - I lent it to a relative, and never got it back, so may have to get another one.
Thank you Matti for another entertaining and informative video!👍🏻 Looking at your video made me realise that I have too many small cameras: GRii, GRiii, XF10, Nikon Coolpix A (this lens renders soo beautifully!), LX100, LX100ii, x100F and X100V. Add to this bunch GX9+15 f1.7. I love them all! Regards!
When I was first considering the price of the GRIII, I thought about how having a built-for-purpose dedicated camera in my pocket would allow me to buy a phone that didn't need the flag ship camera hardware. I have a $200 phone and $1000 camera that I'm happy with. Rather than a $1000+ phone that just doesn't quite meet my expectations. I don't feel like I'm missing anything from either device, but I feel like I spent the money in the best place for each need. That said, not everyone is a good match for the GR, so it's possible you could achieve the same happy result for less money still. ✌️
this comment should go viral and everyone on the internet should see this. I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Hi Matti. I appreciate your channel; it's very informative. I'm intrigued by MFT Lumix GX880 / GF10. However, I don't see a control dial for Aperture/Shutter Speed. Can you please educate me on how you change Aperture/Shutter Speed on this camera. Thank you.
My street kit consists of an Olympus EM10 MKII with either a Panasonic 20mm 1.7 or Panasonic 14mm 1.7. The set up is small enough and versatile enough for my needs. Thanks for the video, a great subject to discuss.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
My choice is the Canon M200 with 22mm f2 lens. It has an 24 megapixel APS-C sensor with dual pixel autofocus. It is even smaller than my Lumix GX85 and takes brilliant images. Thanks for sharing.
I have been wondering to get M200. I have M50 but it would be nice sometimes to have something smaller. I do have the original M but that is so obsolete. M200 is basically same as M50 but in a different form factor.
An informative overview, pleasantly presented. The RX100 (v1) was my first non-phone camera. I'm still surprised and impressed by the image quality, and (unscientifically) feel that the video stabilization is better than my more "serious" Sonys. But it's true that the interface can be clunky, and the lack of viewfinder has me constantly pressing my eye up to the screen like an idiot. Great results from a highly pocketable camera, though!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Fuji x-e4 is the most obvious alternative, and it’s even with interchangeable lenses… the new version of the pancake 27 mm lens, often bought with the camera as a bundle, is a nice compact solution.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
GR and X100 have a unique feature... leaf shutter that eliminates any high-speed sync flash issues when you want to light up your subject in a bright scene. That and the internal ND filter make these two peerless. Street photography kings.
I've used many of the cameras you've mentioned here. Both GR and LX100 can be prone to dust which is a pain. I love the image quality of the GR and it is truly a pocket camera whereas the LX100 is more a coat pocket/small bag camera. I think the Sony RX100 is a good pocket camera but over-priced for what it is and Sony menus just don't make them enjoyable to use. An affordable alternative which is truly pocketable, 1" sensor and a viewfinder is TZ100 (ZS100). It produces way better images than my phone camera and is easy to have on me all the time even in a jeans pocket. Isn't always in stock but I recently picked one up for my daughter brand new for $400.
Sorry but I have the RX100 and a couple of Fuji X100 and IMO they are different animals compared with the GR. Maybe another small Fuji with interchangeable lenses can do the trick as the Lumix, or the Fuji XF10, also the Fuji X10 is a candidate (I use to have one). Now I am using a X-Pro with a manual lens, and this also can be similar, except for the size.
You can’t go wrong with the Lumix GX80 with a bright compact lens, even its kit lens is nice and sharp. A 15 to 20mm f1.8 prime would also be great. It has an EVF, a tilting touch sensitive LCD with a super menu system, lots of practical and fun features and functions, in-body stabilisation that works with some lens’s stabilisation. Also a superb soft shutter and 4K photo pre-burst and burst plus panning and zooming functions. What’s not to like? Personally, as the user of many cameras, including a Leica D-Lux 7 007 edition, the GX80 and an OMD E-M10 Mk2, the only advantage I see for the GR3 is its pocketability. It has a smooth compact case that means it slides out of smaller pockets than other cameras. My solution is to buy clothes with pockets which allow the GX80 if not the Leica [Lumix LX100 Mk2]. Of those two the GX80 has several advantages including compactness but all, including the Ricoh GR3 I’m sure, are a delight to use in their unique ways.
Lumix GX/GM not available in India. I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
For the type of photography you're doing there I like to have two things, a tilt screen for waist level, and a viewfinder. I also like quick access to the compensation. So I keep coming back to my old, and it is old, Ollie E-PL7 which has that tilt screen and takes the VF4 EVF in the AP2 accessory port. I fear Olympus shot themselves in the foot when they got rid of the AP2. Panasonic and Leica both used the same or similar accessory port at one time. The PEN-F is good for this work too but it has that flip out screen which I opine is merely for looks as it would have been more useful with a tilt. Lens of choice, I do like zooms, pancake (closed) PZ14-42. I have had the E-PL7 a long time. I am unlikely to trade it in. I have a suite of mft lenses. I'm uncertain what I would get as an upgrade. Every time I consider newer cameras, I go back to it.
@jeffslade Agree with you about the Olympus accessory port. I still frequently use an e-p5 with a vf-4 evf. Less frequently, an e-pl6 with a vf-2 but with Panny zoom lenses because the lens IS is better than the 2-axis IBIS on that camera. The e-p5 is bigger and heavier than other camera in this discussion, but the e-pl6 with the Panny 12-32 is still pretty small.
I recently got a used LX100 mark 1 for only $150 Canadian. It's really fun to use. The image quality for both photos and video, the battery life and autofocus performance are all very good by today's standards. Definitely a good recommendation.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
my only complaint with all of the GR's I've ever owned that are all now broken, is that they're not very tough, so "tossing" it in a bag or pocket isn't really something that you can do without being careful. Which is what the camera was designed for. BUT getting " the" shot with good quality, these cameras are VERY good for that.
thank you for this video. I have watched and aware of this Ricoh GR III since a few years ago when it came out. However, I cannot justify spending $ 1000 for it. I do own 2 canon SLRs (70D/100) and almost all STM lenses,canon S95, canon powershotpro1, LX 10, Lumix Zs220, GoPros, DJi drone, gimbals but recently have been resisting jumping to the IPhone of my wife for ease of use during travel. I am still holding out by contemplating going to fuji XS10 or its successor . Thank you for this video again. Anyway my old Canon 100D is APSC and I have a 24mm 2.8 STM lens. Im sure this is nowhere near an alternative.
so what do you use nowadays? I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact) I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I've owned and used most of the cameras you discuss, at the moment my favourite ultra-portable camera is the ZV-1 mainly because it's very capable for both and stills and video and it's CHEAP! I bought mine second-hand, in mint conditions, for a song. And its AF is just fantastic, it knows what I should focus on better than I...
I used to carry the GX85 or GX8 with the 20mm 1.7 lens before I bought my GR3x. Now the GR3x is always with me when I leave the house. That said, the lack of tilting or rotating screen, prevent a lot of angles to shoot from that would be more interesting if I would've brought one of the Lumix cameras. That's really my only complaint, and I couldn't be happier with my decision to purchase the Ricoh.
I've used the Canon EOS M for over 8 years and I like it, especially the touch screen shutter release. It can be set to manual focus and if you focus it to about 10 feet you can shoot a lot of things instantly, but I find it focuses fast enough most of the time. Quite often I shoot that with the 22mm (35mm equivalent) f2 lens but I like the kit zoom too. I still shoot the old Canon EOS 40d if I need speed and they can be had on the used market for less than $100. I picked up an S95 a couple of years ago and use that at the 28mm equivalent quite a bit {f/2) you can set the focus manually on that one too.
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I've been using the GR3 for about 2 years now. Keep in mind that the GR3 is very specialized. It's designed to be a "snap shot" camera. The preferred way to use the GR3 is one handed, with snap focus. Just point the camera at the subject, and push the shutter. You don't even necessarily have to compose the shot. Point, shoot, and walk on. If necessary the picture can be tidied up in post. The goal is to capture a moment, an event, not to create a pleasing image. Snap focus is decisive here. The split second saved over auto focus is crucial. If you prefer to work this way, the GR series is unique. There is no alternative. The tiny, plain looking body with a fixed, wide angle lens simply completes the package.
Thanks for sharing your interesting opinion. I'd say, to each their own and whatever works for you.
I have had the GR for years… yes… snap focus but truly little skill needed. I get bored with it although the results are fascinating
The Fuji XF10 has a similar snap focus feature. I don’t own a GR, but to my understanding that feature is pretty customizable on them, whereas on the Fuji you only have two presets. But the option is there. I imagine you could do the same shooting in manual mode on any of the other cameras listed in this video as well.
Not entirely true. There are alternatives, but only the GR is unique in the fact that it has the option to choose snap via its shutter button. You can do almost exactly the same with an Olympus OM-D, but you need to program this change using a separate switch.
You can also just zone focus with any camera, and you'll have that same feature.
🙏 i miss info about flipscreen like fujifilm x70. Thanks
Thanks for your support.
I just got a Lumix LX5 and I really appreciate it. I know it's over 10 years old. I like collecting older ones that still take great pictures and were top in their day.
Thanks.
I also got one very cheaply, surprisingly good and really so tiny that you can always take it with you.
Despite the zoom lens, you can set the LX100ii to a specific focal length which the camera remembers when you turn it off and back on again. In this way, you have something approximating a fixed focal length camera while retaining the option to zoom when you wish. I also like the manual controls on the LX100ii and the fact that you can see the camera settings without turning it on. That said, the GRIII has replaced my LX100ii as a street and small general purpose camera because the ergonomics and useability are better overall for me.
Thanks for the tip. I'm aware of the features you mention, but still the zoom somehow tends to turn me off. I know, I'm difficult😀
@@mattisulanto I agree that the zoom is frustrating. When shooting I keep mine on with the LCD off and EVF turned on. Not ideal but it helps to be ready to get the shot rather than waiting for the lens to emerge like a tortoise from his shell
Thanks for always asking the questions I would ask-and providing answers. I was impressed with my GR IIIx, but I didn’t want to carry it in a pants pocket. I was nervous the thin little lens cover blades would get bent or broken, or dust would get in the camera. Then I realized if I was always going to put it in a bag I might as well carry my GX850 with another lens or two. The GX850 has better AF and a tilting screen. I like the LUMIX 20/1.7 and 14/2.5. So many good cameras, so little time. Thanks again. ✌️👏👍
Thanks for sharing. I seldom put the GR in my pocket, I hold it in my hand so it's ready all the time. Your are right, too many good cameras and too little time😀
I like the Lumix 20/1.7 too, very sharp ( alas not allow in CF mode ).
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I have the XF10 and its great point and shoot. Images are razor sharp in every aperture. You have the simulations, its tiny and the flash is great for the parties to have the 90s film look. I am never selling that camera. It even risen on price lately. I bought it for 330 eur second hand.
Thanks. Seems like a decent value for that price.
Hi, I love to use the lumux gm1 with 14mm lens for street photography. The advantage vs the ricoh is that I can change to an other focal lenght if I'm going to shoit portraits for example and still have a very tiny package.
The sharpness and resolving power of the lens, means you can crop in significantly before quality starts to drop off. More so than more expensive lens DSLR combinations.
I like the Canon EOS M series with the EF-M 22mm f/2.0 lens.
I'm still fascinated by how Canon managed to create such a small APS-C lens with an f2 aperture
Is there a 1 inch sensor camera that is like the phased out but ahead of its time lumix cm-1? It had a fixed elmarit lens that was very sharp and full of contrast and character
Hi, I have the Sony zv1 and rx100 IV . Also own a Canon g9x ll and used them in street photography. Although they have zoom lenses, you don't have to use them. I only use the widest angle and they respond quite fast.
I love my GR3x, it’s the right tool for the right job when that job presents itself. And for those who say it’s only a snapshot camera is to downplay their art. Compositional considerations don’t even need a camera, just your eye, then you decide on the right tool to capture the image. Are there alternatives? Yup, I’ve tried and liked them all but the GR hangs with me without the baggage. Hey, if the camera becomes the end result, then the GR or any of its alternatives, just becomes another expensive paperweight. Thanks Matti, love your subject material. Very relevant.
loved your insight!
I have been using the Fuji X70 as my 'second' camera and it is full of Fuji goodness with an XTrans 2 sensor if that’s your thing. It is pricey used, but a great small pocketable camera with a flip up/down/forward screen that is very handy but no viewfinder.
yeah but 600 used is to much if I´m honest
Ricoh GXR, still my favorite camera. Sharp prime lenses, small body, electronic viewfinder, fully featured and easy to use menus.
Thanks. I have never used the GXR, but would be nice to try it out one day.
very nice selection of cameras to have fun with!
If i could give myself an advise (some decades ago) it would be: don't aim to find the perfect camera and get lost in a deficit view. it's a ride and you are "in progress". It's the challenge that forces you to grow and it's convenience that bores you and let's you loose interest... People like you and Robin helped me to realize this stuff! thank you
Specs might help to identify the "best" camera, but i would not have ended up with three Pentax Q Cameras because of "technical wow data"
true for jobs i still tend to take the bigger sensors but it's impressive how happy most clients are with the 12 MP pictures from a 1/1.7 inch sensor in between the big sensor pictures... now one cares if it's a "telling" picture
Thanks so much for your kind words.
So the alternatives are all significantly more expensive if new, or, you can buy much older versions of the recommended cameras. Hmmm...I think I will just take my chances on the Ricoh.
I'm in love with Ricoh GRIII and Leica Q. Now with your channel too.
Thank you!
A used Ricoh Gr 1 or 2 would also be a great alternative.
Thanks. Yeah, I forgot all previous GRs.
I have the GR I and can't justify about 3x the price to get the III. It even has the inbuilt flash, although I rarely use it.
Yeah, I have the gr and I love it!
I strongly agree. GR ii’s positive film color science is leagues better.
I am a M4/3 shooter that came from APS-C around 2011. I often use a GX85 with pancake lenses for street photography. When I need something pocketable, I turn to my LF1 and LX10. The LX10 can remember the last zoom position and in aperture priority at f/4.0 you can basically point and shoot with no fuss. The lack of EVF is no issue since I find that I only use the EVF on my larger M4/3 camers like the G95 and G9. An LX10 or RX100 VA would be all the camera that most people need.
An option in place of the XF10 is the Fujifilm X70. I have been using it for years. It's about as good as the GRII. With 16mp it's got pretty good resolution at f4 and up, the f2.8 works best at 1-2m. Plus you get a flip up selfie screen for holiday selfies with the family, as well as saving your back on awkward shooting angles of children and pets, or for creative angles.
You should immediately put a filter on the lens though. Mine got dirt on the sensor in the first week because I put in my pocket before I got the filter. With the filter, no more extra dirt.
I went a similar route: The Fuji X-M1. Xtrans 1 sensor (same as the Xpro1). Interchangeable lenses. I have a couple pancake lenses for it. And it's pretty tiny. Along the lines of the XF10, and smaller than the X70. Cool little camera. [edit... NM, it's a tiny bit bigger than the X-70]
@@-grey ya, I have a hunch this next go around they might do a small X-camera. They haven't released an Xpro in awhile. The X100v is a few years old now. I feel like they're working on something. They must be well aware of the X70 prices (and XM1 prices aren't cheap either). At least I hope. There's certainly a market for small X lens cameras.
For me, an articulating or at least a tilting screen is a must. There are countless occasions when I used the articulating screen on my old Canon G12 to take discreet pictures without being noticed. I like the Fujifilm X30, which takes good pictures, although it's somewhat heavy and bulky. I recently acquired a Lumix LX10, which I like, so far. It fits in my pocket and takes good pictures.
I'm a recent convert to the Lumix GX85. I love it, but that doesn't stop me from also wanting a GRIII and/or Fuji XF10! 😄
Thanks. We all keep wanting something and there is no cure for that😀
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
A few holidays ago,.i thought about this and went for the Oly tg-6, just because it has some features i am familiar with. I know it has a smaller megapixel count, but i was not planning to print. I just wanted to gather memories. I accept.it has some limitations, but the combination of ruggedness and Oly features attracted me
And what about of Sony a5100 with 20mm fixed lens?
Fixed focal length vs. zoom: I know what you mean. There is freedom in having just one fixed lens. It means you are forced to move more but I have found that most walk-around photos can be taken using a 35mm equiv. lens. My Lumix 12-32 (24-64) is nice but not essential. On one trip I took the Oly 17 f1.8 and Lumix 35-100 f4-5.6. That was a nice combo because for those times I needed some reach, I had the 35-100. Those plus my GX9 are little to carry. On another trip I had the 14-140 and, although I like that lens a lot, I didn't enjoy using it as much as a prime. Too many options and it was big. I was a tourist and I looked like one 🙂
Great video. I put together my own budget "GR3" by finding a used Olympus PEN EPL-6 (that only had only 900 shutter activations), with a M. Zuiko 17 mm 2.8 fixed lens. Together they were less than $300. One day I hope to buy the beautiful and extremely pricey Fujifilm X Pro 3 for my shutter therapy.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
@@photographer8486 The camera you bought was a good choice, but it's certainly not compact. You may want to just get a nice compact 50mm f1.8 lens for it as that would handle much better and is very versatile and fast enough for low light shooting.
If you want to get a smaller body, you could downsize from full frame to APS-C. A Sony APS-C Alpha 6600 would be awesome, and you can still use e-mount full frame lenses (as your your Tamron 24-70 2.8 is a great lens!)
Sony ZV1F is fixed wide lens with digital zoom also if you set 1:1 and its experience is closer to a 35mm lens. Youll love the FN button to switch to manual focus once you set the focus distance similar to the gr
My ultimate alternative: The Ricoh GX200!
It's basically a Ricoh GR Digital 2 or 3 with a zoom lens and there's an optional electronic viewfinder. It's old tech by now but it has a 12 MP CCD sensor that shoots RAW and excellent SOOC monochrome images. And it features the same form factor and layout as the more expensive fixed lens Ricohs.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I use SONY RX1 for 8 years, and im very enjoyed. 24mp Fullframe, compact, palm size, 35mm f2 zeiss. 🔥🔥🔥
All good camera’s no remarks on that.
I use now for several years the Olympus Pen F with the pancake 14-42mm with a superb quality and handy size.
It can be said that is also a perfect camera for street photographers on my opinion.
The Ricoh GXR is also a great alternative, especially with the A12 (Leica M) or Ricoh 28mm modules. It has an accessory VF2 viewfinder but overall it’s a bit larger than the GR series.
I have a PEN E-PL1, and it's actually pretty big compared to an NEX3. An old NEX 3/5 would give you a bigger sensor, more MP, and more lens options than MFT, at least over older PENs.
If that's your jam, an a5100 is going to be a better option than the Nex. It added the 24mp sensor and hybrid autofocus of the a6000 into the a5000 body - which itself was based on the nex 5 body.
That gives you the most feature packed and high spec option for a super compact APSC shooter at an approx. $100-200 pricepoint (depending on how lucky/patient you are). Pair it with a 20mm pancake lens (or the16mm, but I hear that has terrible image quality) for another $200 and you have an insanely compact, insanely cheap alternative to the Ricoh at a fraction of the cost that also has technological parity and a better autofocus for around $300.
@@JimIBobIJonesThe problem is with lenses. The Sigma 19, 30 and 60 are the smaller lenses for the e mount that are actually good in image quality. But then they become quite a bit bigger as compared to GR.
@@byhyew all compact lenses trade off sharpness and fidelity for portability. The Ricoh is no exception.
The Sony 20mm f2.8 is pretty good though, much sharper than the 16mm
@@JimIBobIJones I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
@@JimIBobIJones the Sony 20mm f2.8 for APSC won't be good for low light right? because it will be f4.2 full frame equivalent.
Have a look at lumix tz60 with view finder and is bargain here in london
Thanks for your tips - but in the end, all these cameras have too bulky (with the exception of the XF10, which really has a terrible autofocus.). The only one that can really be carried around all the time without being intrusive is the Ricoh. That might not matter to some, but for me, it's the difference between having it with me very often or just occasionally.
I have (had) a few of the mentioned alternatives and never saw these as an alternative for my Ricoh GR.
Some stand out features from the Ricoh GR line: Easy one handed operation, snap focus, small/light, discrete, customizability, APS-C sensor. Unless you stay within the GR line, there will be some compromises to the point that it's not really an alternative anymore.
Still have the Ricoh GR from 2013 and love it and use it. Fast operation, images are sharp, even at f2.8. Only low light performance is a bit lacking, but there is a flash, which the GR III does not have.
Still have a X100 (original) and don't use it that much. It's an inspiring camera, but definitely not a GR alternative.
Recently bought the Lumix LX100 II and sold it again (it's ok, but I expected better/faster performance)
I have had the Sony RX100 (original) and sold it (I really didn't like to use it, such a bad UI)
I bought a mint Nikon Coolpix A for under £200 recently. It's very similar to the GR Mark 1.
I so wish my GR3X had a tilt screen (that is more important than EVF) but I'm getting used to it ... shooting one-handed portrait orientation most of the time.
Thanks for the video! I have an Rx100VII, but I am shopping for a similar camera with a faster lens. I think the Leica D-Lux 7 is another alternative in this range.
Tilting screen, EVF, interchangeable lenses, analogue controls are a must for me... No problem at 74 to walk a day long with my A7II or G9 and not shy in street photography. But there is a choice for all tastes I see that with the couples walking on the street. :-)
I use a compact Lumix LX-15 for a ‘carry anywhere’ camera. No need to ‘zoom’ if you don’t want to, but it has so many features if you need them. And I always also buy used from mpb or WEX in the UK. No need to spend £thousands!
I own that one LX10 for the last 5 years; it is a tiny cinematic beast. I have always mounted it on a zhiyun crame M ever since plus a ND8 or ND 16 filter and boom!
Wish for a view finder and weather sealing. However, I would buy a monochrome version anyway! You’ve helped me think about fixed prime instead of zoom and the simplicity.
Thanks! Happy to hear my tips have been helpful.
Fuji XF10 is the greatest overlooked sleeper. I've had mine for a few years and I believe it is every bit as good as a GR. It's APS-C and produces amazing images. If it had a viewfinder it would be the best street camera. Even after a few years I still don't enjoy taking pictures with just a screen.
Canon m3 or m10, fujifilm qx2, pentax qs1, fujifilm x10,20,30,70 or xa2 and5
Less than a year ago I managed to get a used Sony RX1R. I paid it less than what a brand new Ricoh GR 3 would cost. If you can find a used Sony RX1R used cheaper than a Ricoh GR 3, I would definitely recommend you should buy as an alternative to the Ricoh. It is a much older camera with a 24 megapixel full frame sensor and a fantastic fixed lens made by Zeiss. You can get extremely sharp photos with an image quality which is definitely superior to that of a Ricoh GR 3 or 3x.
Thanks. I'm familiar with the RX1R and it's a very nice camera indeed. Hard to find used though, so you were lucky. Also much bigger that the GR3/x, not a pocket camera by any means.
My alternative is the Canon G5X Mark II. Great for when I want to travel light but still have a quality camera that is good for a wide variety of situations. The flip out screen allows for waist level shooting to be less conspicuous on the street. It has a fast 1.8-2.8 lens, a wide focal length range of 24-120 equivalent, and a pop-up EVF. I do get the appeal of a lens with a single focal length, as I've often shot with a DSLR with a pancake lens. But that is certainly not compact compared to the GRIII. Thanks.
Thanks.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I have a rx100v and it's a fantastic camera, I agree the zoom is a problem sometimes in term of velocity , but I sometimes need it. I had a fuji x100t and that fixed lens and short battery capability always drove me mad, the rx100v for me is a big leap ahead
Hi Matti, What camera was used for filming street movies used in this video?
The video gear list is at the end of the video.
I still have the very first (!) Sony RX100 which i haven't used in years but I will try it on streetphotography for a while to see if I can deal with some things like size, 28mm and other things similar with the GRiii.
The RX100 has the same size, no viewfinder, a fixed display, I can use it at only 28mm KB, I can use it MF (to fake the snapshot).
I think its a good way to find out if spending 1000 € is worth it.
so what did you find out?
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Thanks for the instuctive video. I like to take street photos with the rear screen up, a bit like using an old twin-lens reflex camera. So the GRiii's are not so good for me. I have the Canon M6 ii with an EF-M 22mm f2 lens, which gives a FF equivalent of a standard 35mm, somewhere between the GR iii and GR iiix. The body is a bit thicker and heavier than the GR iii's but you get a 32MP APSC sensor, fast auto focus, and when you need it you can add the excellent EVF. All for about the same price as a GR iii. The camera also supports interchangeable lenses which also makes this a good all-rounder.
I still enjoy my Pentax MX1. Compact, fixed lens, tilt screen, incredible macro capabilities as well.
Hello, I use (not at the same time) three cameras for street photography, the Fujifilm X70 with optical viewfinder accessory and the screen off (this setup is the closest thing to me to analog camera); the Fujifilm XE2s with 27mm or 18mm lenses, sometimes with pentax 110 lenses; and the Olympus Pen F with the Panasonic Leica 15mm 1.7 (gorgeous B&W). The most pocketable, X70; best autofocus, Pen F (and best B&W), at least for me. Saludos from Mexico City.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
the Fujifilm x70 is also a very good alternative, flipscreen, flash and manuel dials
Don't forget the Panasonic ZS series and Canon G5X II. Both are competitors to the RX100 series, with 1" sensors and zoom lenses.
A niche choice would be a Nikon 1 J5 and 10/2.8, equivalent to 27mm. About the same size as an RX100, same excellent sensor from some of the RX100s, decent controls, and an ILC lens mount. The 10mm is also pretty slim. If you need a viewfinder, there's the Nikon 1 V3, which has an optional EVF (and grip with a dial, custom button, and shutter). Otherwise, it's a small camera close to LX100 size.
About the RX100's zoom "issue", you can set a memory recall to also recall the focal length. So every time you turn the camera on, it will zoom to that one specific focal length from the start.
Another option available on that camera is the ability to zoom directly to common focal lengths. So you can use the control dial around the lens, turn it, and it will go 24 -> 28 -> 35 -> 50 etc. Gets rid of those middle focal lengths, and "organizes" the number of focal lengths you have to choose from.
Many thanks for sharing your tips.
Hello, I'm actually in the MFT sector at home. But for a quick trip. I had the gr3 and eventually got an RX1. The GR3 had to go.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Nice options thanks for your work! In a more affordable way, i'd say:
_ Ricoh GXR+S10 and Ricoh CX5/6: killer options for street and candid (and i'd say also that CXs are f....n underrated)
_ Sony RX100 mark I (i glued a cold shoe on mine, then a KMZ turret viewfinder as a companion...this combo in term of perf/price/compactness is unbeatable imo)
_ Nikon P7xxx (love the 7100...CCD has that Thing) bigger, but outstanding optical performance
_ Sigma DP1 slow, quircky, but man if you need archi stills or no motion atmosphere...that apsc foveon is...mmmhhhpphhh
_ Fujifilm X-M1/X-E1: X-trans v1.0, lenses all over the place, rangefinder style, not too big, top notch picture quality and film simulations are really filmic when others are filmish 😅
Can't go wrong with those imo
Thanks for sharing your options, all valid and can't go much wrong with any of those.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I am very happy going out with a solitary prime lens of my choice. A problem for me with the GR3 and the like is that the lens is not my choice. If I want a fisheye lens, tough.
If I want Live ND, can the Ricoh do that? I used it Friday, on the street.
If you want fisheye and live ND the GR3 is not your camera🙂
I am about to pick up the Nikon Coolpix A. 16mp apsc sensor and FF eq 28mm lens. Rugged metal build and weather protection. And perfect size to fit in a pocket.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
@@photographer8486 I really appreciated my small Olympus EM5 with the 17mm. Which in full frame is about like a 35mm lens. You learn how to compose by moving in or out from the subject. And just one focal length really in my mind was more fun. Just took the work out of it. And I feel I was more creative.
I have shot with both the GR III and IIIx, as well as every Fuji X100 version, and they are all very capable cameras and produce wonderful images. However, I no longer have any of them, and instead recently purchased a gently used Leica Q2 Monochrom. I am blown away! Sure, the price is high (I would NOT pay full retail for it), but you definitely get what you pay for! If you have the financial means, I highly recommend checking one out (either the Monochrom or the color Q2, which costs less). On the other hand, if money is an issue, then you can't go wrong with either the Ricoh or Fuji offerings.
Thanks. I have used the Q and I agree that it's a super nice camera, but right now a bit pricey for me.
Would be interesting to see alternatives, that are still in production.... so if you wan tot buy a new camera, what alternatives is there.... most RUclips videos focus only on alternatives that are old and no longer produced..... so I am curious, what are the alternatives if you will buy a new canera?
I can't wait for the mark IV version of the GR with a few updates.
Got used GX1, VF, 18mm pancake and 25mm. Wanted to get a Fuji X100 series, but still pricey.
I chose Canon M200 with the F2.0 22mm (35mm equiv) pancake lens. You can get both new for $800... a bit less, actually.
The lens is super sharp wide open, and the camera provides a 24MP APS-C sensor with great AF and Canon's beautiful color science. It's really hard to beat!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I would say the best direct comparison would be an MFT with Panasonic's 20mm f/1.7 (40mm equivalent, and faster than the GRIII). With the older panasonic GF cameras, there is a hot shoe electronic viewfinder, and though it works, it's very low resolution, but good for sunny days. The Olympus Pen F is a great camera, but it's larger and heavier. The best thing about the Pen F, though, is that you can fold away the screen and force yourself to only use the EVF, which is very comfortable and good. It's much more like using an old rangefinder.
Panasonic has two newer cameras with built in EVF that I'd check out for this too, the GX85 and the GX9, though both are about twice as heavy as the GRIII.
There is another camera, fixed lens, but with manual zoom and not that slow zoom in back and forth on a rocker switch: The Fujifilm X20. Yes, it's old, but it has a cool optical viewfinder, and is very fast to use. And you twist the zoom ring to turn on the camera! I compared some cameras to the GRIII, and even the tiny battery in the X20 has a better battery life (CIPA) than the GRIII, which came last at 200, with the X20 at 270. Since it can shoot without screen, and just the optical viewfinder, I'm sure it can be extended quite a lot. It is a little heavier, though, but only slightly bigger. And it has a tiny pop up flash that reaches 7m (1m longer than any of the panasonics!). I've only had mine for a short time, and haven't really had time to try it out doing street, but I didn't realize it was this high spec compared to the others! I think I'll have to 3D print a ring I can put on the zoom ring with a lever like on compact rangefinders, so that when it points straight down, I'm at 40mm equivalent! (My favorite camera ever is the QL17 GIII).
Nice video. I've been using various older cameras such as the Canon G11, M2, and even my older SD550. I also use other compact film cameras such as the Olympus mju and my Minolta Freedom Zoom. As much as I would like to find a GR III alternative, I can't and feel there's always a compromise somewhere. I will eventually invest in a GR III for simplicity, speed, and size.
Thanks for sharing!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Hi, I really do like your channel, that's why I have subscribed some time ago. But, and please don't get me wrong... at the end of the video you are saying that your Ricohs are the best for you, better than any of the alternatives you have described. How that if you have NEVER used the Fujifilm XF10??? As a photographer, I have to tell you that XF10 is by far superior for various reasons like flash, battery life, sturdiness and so on... But, no problem, just maybe in the future don't compare or give statements without using a certain camera prior to it, thank you 🤜🤛👍
I take my words back, maybe the XF10 could be better😀 I hope that makes you feel better. But I also said multiple times in the video, that it's only my opinion. I don't expect you or everyone else to share my opinions. Just like your opinion is yours and maybe I don't share the same opinion. If you think the XF10 is far superior camera, it's fine by me. I have nothing against your opinion even if you had no experience with any other camera. I'm happy for you because you have found a camera that you really like. I respect your opinion and I think it would be boring if we all agreed on everything. These are just cameras and everyone has a favorite one, but not necessarily the same one😀
@sulantoblog Thanks for the respond 🤩 well, to be honest, I do have an extensive experience with every camera mentioned in your video. You see, for us they are tools and I kept only the XF10. Give it a go, the camera deserves your qualified opinion since it's, from the photographers point of view the most serious and complete one, even for professional work as I can assure you! Keep up the good work 👏 😍🤜🤛
@@KarloFio thanks for sharing!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Another option is the X-M1 with X-Trans sensor, or the Bayer equivalent X-A1. If you don't mind a smaller sensor, there's the X10, older GR digital series, and Lumix LX 5, 7, etc.
Thanks. All good options.
About $500 would get a used Sony 20mm f/2.8 pancake and an older APS-C body. That seems like that'd also be a really nice small snapshot camera kit, with a pretty similar focal length and still with an APS-C sensor. Don't get me wrong, I love my Fuji gear, but prices on used Fuji stuff has been shooting up lately--I've seen used x70s on big camera reseller sites more expensive than new GRiii. If I were to start over, I'd consider something like this.
Thanks for sharing. Seems good advice!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Last week, I just purchased a used Fujifilm X10 (CAD$140) as my great alternative.
For 350 euros in second-hand, you have an Olympus OM10 mark II and a Pana 14 mm 2.5 which are a delight to use in street photography.
Two things have held me back on buying the Ricoh. Lack of viewfinder option and lack of weather sealing (for a relatively expensive camera).
Thanks for sharing. I had similar thoughts, but I got over them and can really enjoy the GR now. No camera is perfect.
There is an OVF available from Ricoh.
I’ve enjoyed combo-ing my GM1 with the Lumix 42.5mm f/1.7. Way more reach than you’d expect from a tiny camera and good shallow DOF even for M43rds.
I bought a GX1 and 18mm pancake. Around $400…I think. Used. Found the hot shoe VF.
I'm doing the same with the Oly 45mm f/1.8 (cos it was much easier to find used ones than the Lumix). Miss having the OIS though...
@@OKuusava yeah the GM1 controls are actively hostile to use-ability. Terrible dial that makes it too easy to hit into a menu.
Perhaps you've had them the whole time, but I've just noticed your spectacles - which make and model are they?
I've been superkeen to get a IIIx, but the price and availability have kept it at bay. Now, I'm hoping for a GR IIImx (monochrome). They should bring Daido back for a promo launch for mono.
The Sigma fp with Leica TL18, or ttArtisans 28mmF5.6, or i17mm could make for a verssatile alternative. Also, there are two (big) VF options, almost unlimited lenses, and ssd-raw video etc, so it can certainly serve other roles, too. The fp L's CROP-ZOOM feature gives the best of both worlds regarding prime/zoom approaches, too (and mitigates the rolling shutter complaints if you check the table at Cine D for optimal crops).
The GM1 drew my attention to m4/3, and when the GM5 became cheaper it led me to buy the GM5, GX8, G9 and S1R -- pretty much accidently switching me to Lumix (now L-mount) from Fuji X-Pro (which I still use and love, but just don't tend to buy into now).
So, even though the GM-line was considered a flop, it led me to spend a huge amount on Lumix, Sigma and Leica.
P.S. not to mention giving the old cameras to relatives who now use Lumix. Which reminds me, the 35-100mmF4-5.6 MINIATURE ZOOM gave me an appreciation for zooms that I'd never had - I lent it to a relative, and never got it back, so may have to get another one.
Thanks for sharing your alternatives. I've had these specs for about a year, but don't remember any more the make or model.
Thank you Matti for another entertaining and informative video!👍🏻 Looking at your video made me realise that I have too many small cameras: GRii, GRiii, XF10, Nikon Coolpix A (this lens renders soo beautifully!), LX100, LX100ii, x100F and X100V. Add to this bunch GX9+15 f1.7. I love them all! Regards!
Thanks. The Coolpix A is still a very nice camera.
When I was first considering the price of the GRIII, I thought about how having a built-for-purpose dedicated camera in my pocket would allow me to buy a phone that didn't need the flag ship camera hardware.
I have a $200 phone and $1000 camera that I'm happy with. Rather than a $1000+ phone that just doesn't quite meet my expectations.
I don't feel like I'm missing anything from either device, but I feel like I spent the money in the best place for each need. That said, not everyone is a good match for the GR, so it's possible you could achieve the same happy result for less money still.
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this comment should go viral and everyone on the internet should see this.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
To me, the GRIII would be an alternative to my venerable Canon G1X Mark III. Great video.
Hi Matti. I appreciate your channel; it's very informative. I'm intrigued by MFT Lumix GX880 / GF10. However, I don't see a control dial for Aperture/Shutter Speed. Can you please educate me on how you change Aperture/Shutter Speed on this camera. Thank you.
You can control both the aperture and shutter with the rear dial.
Thank you. I may buy the GR III or IIIx. Which of the two do you recommend if only buying one?
I like the GR3x better, but that is a matter of taste. I like the 40mm EQV angle of view.
I still use Nikon Coolpix A I love it. It's aps-c and it's very similar to GR I with sensor, picture and lens.
Thanks. I have used the Coolpix A quite a bit when it was new. Really nice camera and excellent IQ too.
My street kit consists of an Olympus EM10 MKII with either a Panasonic 20mm 1.7 or Panasonic 14mm 1.7. The set up is small enough and versatile enough for my needs. Thanks for the video, a great subject to discuss.
Thanks.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Average people don’t bother to change lenses, I agree with that. Optical zoom such as 4x may be needed for traveling. I like your video.
A tilting screen is kind of important for me... I use a Lumix GF7 on the streets most of the time
You forgot the Nikon Coolpix A, which is similar to the Fujifilm XF10.
Thanks. You are not the first to suggest that. The Coolpix A is a nice camera, but not easy to find these days as it's quite an old model already.
My choice is the Canon M200 with 22mm f2 lens. It has an 24 megapixel APS-C sensor with dual pixel autofocus. It is even smaller than my Lumix GX85 and takes brilliant images. Thanks for sharing.
I have been wondering to get M200. I have M50 but it would be nice sometimes to have something smaller. I do have the original M but that is so obsolete. M200 is basically same as M50 but in a different form factor.
An informative overview, pleasantly presented. The RX100 (v1) was my first non-phone camera. I'm still surprised and impressed by the image quality, and (unscientifically) feel that the video stabilization is better than my more "serious" Sonys. But it's true that the interface can be clunky, and the lack of viewfinder has me constantly pressing my eye up to the screen like an idiot. Great results from a highly pocketable camera, though!
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
Fuji x-e4 is the most obvious alternative, and it’s even with interchangeable lenses… the new version of the pancake 27 mm lens, often bought with the camera as a bundle, is a nice compact solution.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
@@photographer8486X-E4 from Fuji, if you can find one … X-pro 2 or 3 otherwise - super awesome cameras that you can grow your skills with as well
GR and X100 have a unique feature... leaf shutter that eliminates any high-speed sync flash issues when you want to light up your subject in a bright scene.
That and the internal ND filter make these two peerless. Street photography kings.
the ZS100 and LX100 have a leaf shutter too I believe
I've used many of the cameras you've mentioned here. Both GR and LX100 can be prone to dust which is a pain. I love the image quality of the GR and it is truly a pocket camera whereas the LX100 is more a coat pocket/small bag camera. I think the Sony RX100 is a good pocket camera but over-priced for what it is and Sony menus just don't make them enjoyable to use. An affordable alternative which is truly pocketable, 1" sensor and a viewfinder is TZ100 (ZS100). It produces way better images than my phone camera and is easy to have on me all the time even in a jeans pocket. Isn't always in stock but I recently picked one up for my daughter brand new for $400.
Many thanks for sharing. There are many versions of the RX100 though and the early ones are not that expensive.
Now, if only Panasonic were to copy the snap feature on the GR...
Sorry but I have the RX100 and a couple of Fuji X100 and IMO they are different animals compared with the GR.
Maybe another small Fuji with interchangeable lenses can do the trick as the Lumix, or the Fuji XF10, also the Fuji X10 is a candidate (I use to have one).
Now I am using a X-Pro with a manual lens, and this also can be similar, except for the size.
You can’t go wrong with the Lumix GX80 with a bright compact lens, even its kit lens is nice and sharp. A 15 to 20mm f1.8 prime would also be great. It has an EVF, a tilting touch sensitive LCD with a super menu system, lots of practical and fun features and functions, in-body stabilisation that works with some lens’s stabilisation. Also a superb soft shutter and 4K photo pre-burst and burst plus panning and zooming functions. What’s not to like? Personally, as the user of many cameras, including a Leica D-Lux 7 007 edition, the GX80 and an OMD E-M10 Mk2, the only advantage I see for the GR3 is its pocketability. It has a smooth compact case that means it slides out of smaller pockets than other cameras. My solution is to buy clothes with pockets which allow the GX80 if not the Leica [Lumix LX100 Mk2]. Of those two the GX80 has several advantages including compactness but all, including the Ricoh GR3 I’m sure, are a delight to use in their unique ways.
Lumix GX/GM not available in India.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
For the type of photography you're doing there I like to have two things, a tilt screen for waist level, and a viewfinder. I also like quick access to the compensation. So I keep coming back to my old, and it is old, Ollie E-PL7 which has that tilt screen and takes the VF4 EVF in the AP2 accessory port. I fear Olympus shot themselves in the foot when they got rid of the AP2. Panasonic and Leica both used the same or similar accessory port at one time. The PEN-F is good for this work too but it has that flip out screen which I opine is merely for looks as it would have been more useful with a tilt. Lens of choice, I do like zooms, pancake (closed) PZ14-42.
I have had the E-PL7 a long time. I am unlikely to trade it in. I have a suite of mft lenses. I'm uncertain what I would get as an upgrade. Every time I consider newer cameras, I go back to it.
Thanks for sharing. Yes, you could use Olympus VF on the Leica M😀
@jeffslade Agree with you about the Olympus accessory port. I still frequently use an e-p5 with a vf-4 evf. Less frequently, an e-pl6 with a vf-2 but with Panny zoom lenses because the lens IS is better than the 2-axis IBIS on that camera. The e-p5 is bigger and heavier than other camera in this discussion, but the e-pl6 with the Panny 12-32 is still pretty small.
I find a fujifilm xt20 with pancake 27mm f2.8 excellent for photography
I recently got a used LX100 mark 1 for only $150 Canadian. It's really fun to use. The image quality for both photos and video, the battery life and autofocus performance are all very good by today's standards. Definitely a good recommendation.
Thanks Seems like a great value for that price.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
The Olympus Pen E-P5 (can be bought for peanuts) is an excellent and perhaps even better alternative because of its 5 axis IBIS.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
The Olympus E-M10 series with a fixed 17 or 25 mm f1.8 lens could also be a good alternative.
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
my only complaint with all of the GR's I've ever owned that are all now broken, is that they're not very tough, so "tossing" it in a bag or pocket isn't really something that you can do without being careful. Which is what the camera was designed for. BUT getting " the" shot with good quality, these cameras are VERY good for that.
thank you for this video. I have watched and aware of this Ricoh GR III since a few years ago when it came out. However, I cannot justify spending $ 1000 for it. I do own 2 canon SLRs (70D/100) and almost all STM lenses,canon S95, canon powershotpro1, LX 10, Lumix Zs220, GoPros, DJi drone, gimbals but recently have been resisting jumping to the IPhone of my wife for ease of use during travel. I am still holding out by contemplating going to fuji XS10 or its successor . Thank you for this video again. Anyway my old Canon 100D is APSC and I have a 24mm 2.8 STM lens. Im sure this is nowhere near an alternative.
so what do you use nowadays?
I am looking for compact beginner everyday camera system to learn photography, develop a shooting habit, composition, playing around with manual settings etc. What are some good options? (optional: works well in low light, must: compact)
I wanted to learn photography. So I got a used Sony A7s2. Then lens I got with it was damaged. I thought buying a zoom lens would help me practice diversely with different focal lengths. Bought the Tamron 24-70 f2.8. The thing is I don't keep my camera with me. I should have got a fixed focal length lens (which would have also been smaller) and a smaller camera so that I can keep this handy with me always. I need to practice more and more. The setup I have currently I just don't carry with me. I want to click pictures in low light during evening and night after office on weekdays. And on weekends any time.
I've owned and used most of the cameras you discuss, at the moment my favourite ultra-portable camera is the ZV-1 mainly because it's very capable for both and stills and video and it's CHEAP! I bought mine second-hand, in mint conditions, for a song. And its AF is just fantastic, it knows what I should focus on better than I...
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
I used to carry the GX85 or GX8 with the 20mm 1.7 lens before I bought my GR3x. Now the GR3x is always with me when I leave the house. That said, the lack of tilting or rotating screen, prevent a lot of angles to shoot from that would be more interesting if I would've brought one of the Lumix cameras. That's really my only complaint, and I couldn't be happier with my decision to purchase the Ricoh.
Many thanks for sharing.
I've used the Canon EOS M for over 8 years and I like it, especially the touch screen shutter release. It can be set to manual focus and if you focus it to about 10 feet you can shoot a lot of things instantly, but I find it focuses fast enough most of the time. Quite often I shoot that with the 22mm (35mm equivalent) f2 lens but I like the kit zoom too. I still shoot the old Canon EOS 40d if I need speed and they can be had on the used market for less than $100. I picked up an S95 a couple of years ago and use that at the 28mm equivalent quite a bit {f/2) you can set the focus manually on that one too.
Thanks for sharing. Canon Ms are nice cameras too.
I love my Canon M50 II. I can't decide if I wanna buy the lens you mentioned or the 32mm f1.4