I think the overall structure of the gold system is to blame. 3mill for a faction house, no open auction house, guilds being greedy, gold farming, and lack of interest in the game play key factors.
I'm having issues selling stuff on the console too. A lot of it has to do with location. I am not in one of those top selling guilds or will I ever be.
@@anthonywestby4021I can tell you now that's why you're not selling. It's common sense. I've made 30+mill since June 18th being in top selling guilds. That's on you. Good luck out there.
I've been trading for years and this is the worst for returns and sales. Especially the high 1mil + stuff returned bites. it makes me think of trying other games
The problem is you have to sell "fast" now which indicates everyone undercutting heavily to sell quick. Unlike before I would mark up prices and let it sit for a month and usually it sells. What a shame.
I’m one of the more active traders on Xbox NA and both sales and prices are down dramatically overall. Also, rare and expensive items always took me multiple weeks to sell. Niche items like Praxis: Khajiit Enchanted Brazier generally took most of the month to sell as only collectors, and fellow flippers were buying these items. Now speculators are just not buying anything at all as these items are too volatile. The changes may have been necessary but they’ve destroyed the high-end motifs and rare item market…on Xbox NA at least.
Then sell stuff for cheap. How much gold do you need and for what reasons? The ONLY reason for lots of gold is to buy things that cost lots of gold. It's not like the game has NPC traders to buy things from.
I’ve purchased every dlc and expansion with just gold. Likewise, I own most the cosmetics from crown crates by trading gold for crown crates through my guilds. I’ve done this solely through trading. I also like to support my guilds through donations, life-time memberships, and raffles. I also give 50k to guildies on their birthdays. Not too sure why your tone is so cynical, but I hope you have a great day.
@@famousmortimer7933 😂 Cynical? OK man. Whatever. You don't need to sell crap for hundreds of thousands of gold. And how about caring for those not in your guilds? So the whole gaming community of tens of millions needs to buy stuff overpriced so you can support your guild of a few hundred? Think and reason that out oh cynical one. I too bought DLC thru crown sellers. I made my gold doing daily crafting. Makes 5,100 gold per toon. I can eadily make 72k a day if i choose. And I make it without making others having to spend hours upon hours to buy stuff I'm selling. It's great you help guild's. I meanwhile help anybody at all. I help people level WITHOUT demanding gold. Im a master crafter who onl asks for materials needed to make sets. In fact I tell them to NEVER pay. Every one of them are so grateful. From newbies to ol vets. You can help others without being a douche. Guildies or not. Talk about limited thinking.
I found it is more fun to fill the grand master stations than unsold attuned stations. Once the stations are filled I am thinking of quitting the game at 2800xp. it is boring.
No. This is something deeper. For years I have sold mostly furnishings, and of those, mostly crafting stations. That stopped suddenly a couple of weeks ago and is now dire. I have lowered my prices to silly levels, and still no sales. I used to be able to leave stuff on the shelves and still sell 2-3 weeks later, but now I'm refreshing shelves in 2-3 days with zero results.
I think they should give players the option to list items for 1, 2, or 4 weeks and scale the listing fees accordingly. This would give us options for items of different values/rarity and also act as another gold sink to help balance the economy. Select a 1 week listing option for items that sell quickly and we can pay more for rare or expensive items that may take 4 weeks to sell. Just a thought.
Most of my ESO income comes from furnishing plans and motifs. These items typically sell fairly quick. I've been undercutting everything and only sell 1 to 2 items per day. This is way down from 10 to 15 items per day. I do agree that if an item doesn't sell in the first week it likely won't sell. However, I feel that there has definitely been a drop in trading. I honestly believe it has to do with the number of people playing ESO.
I used to buy furnishing plans, but now I save up gold for Scribing. And it is a HUGE gold sink. Idk when I'll be able to unlock everything I want from Scribing for all my alts, but honestly, it could be a year.
Usually games make luxury items gold sinks. ESO made a gold sink out of acquiring skills/spells. Really bad idea because usually the players that are buying unknown recipes are those who are casual enough not to have them already. We don't have a lot of gold. We have to choose between a skill and a furniture recipe.
I think the materials will eventually bounce back and that's why I'm buying everything on 40-80% off clearance sale. Sales are still moving for me but I've shifted away from selling materials as the market is over saturated. For me, I recommend pulling up your guilds history too see what items are moving and then sell those if you need good. ❤
Not sure where you're getting the idea that this isn't affecting the average player. That's me, and prices have gone down on most crafting mats by like 60% or more. That, until recently, was how I earned my gold in this game. It doesn't really feel like it's worth my time to do that anymore. I'm lucky to break even with guild dues, and some weeks are all the way in the red.
I'm on PS5, and it's definitely a lot harder to sell stuff now, and what I do manage to sell is at a huge markdown from before. My items didn't time out until this change, they sold like hotcakes. I mostly sell motifs and furnishing plans, but I also sell high value materials, and my market gains have drastically reduced.
I would say we're also still within the margin of error for the anniversary and zenithar events. One drops the prices of mats/style pages and the other drops the prices of mats/maps
You are 💯 correct. I'm on Xbox and I've been playing for almost eight years. The market is ALWAYS changing in one way or another and you have to adjust accordingly. Does it suck? Absolutely. I used to make my gold on furnishings, motifs and plans. Then they added the "writ boxes" that killed plan farming. Furniture became more expensive to make and more players can craft them now. Jubilee event hurts the motif market. Gold mats have always went up and down for different reasons. You either have to price things to move or sit on em. There are more gold sinks now too, more players are into housing, crown buyers, scribing etc. Just hang in there guys, it might take a little longer to make gold now but it's still possible! Get a trader in Mournhold, Wayrest or Grahtwood.
All the scribbing skills are actually bad unless your a tank. a lot of healers have stopped running menders bond with the heavy nerfs it got. Theres 0 demand for luminous ink because all the skills are just bad.
Sorry, mate. I disagree. I mainly sell Hakeijo. Before the update i would sell at keast x5 within a few hours of placing. Its been almost a week and i have not sold one. Thats very unusual especially with a pvp event around the corner. 😅
Just sell them cheaper lol. Half your price each time it returns. You will eventually get a buyer lol. Equally you will not lose out with less return because want you want is also relatively cheaper. Is just a matter of everyone scalling down.
I have been farming Merits in IC for years. Every 50 days, I purchase a Timbercrow Wanderer runebox, check the prices in TTC and list it for if not the lowest price then the second lowest price. The longest I usually had to wait for it to sell was 1 week. Since update 42, I have had to relist 2-3 times before I get the sale, even if pricing it lower than anyone else. So no, it's NOT just about the flood of mats following the Zenithar and Jubilee event. People just aren't buying, even things that are relatively scarce.
Well I mean sometimes what sells best really depends on the zone your trader is in too I find? I notice my resources sell best and writs do but the writs have to be cheap. I’ve been trying to sell an Assaults staff for over a month though, the high items don’t sell. The market crashed in the anniversary jubilee event, hasn’t recovered since. The amount of resources I got in an hour was insane farming portals in Craglorn. Easily 1Million in supplies and other stuff. People may have better luck with auctions perhaps. I have ok luck with getting what I want.
Cooper said not across the board, but furnishings motifs and gear is selling only if sold at 30-50 % less than I was selling them a few months ago. So not only are sales bad for mats, for me its just all bad. I dont know if I can play enough eso to sell enough to reach the minimum sales to stay in my trader guild. Apparently that hasnt dropped because trader bids are still the same amounts of gold T-T I've never had this issue in the many years that I've played.
I used to buy treasure maps all the time and let them sit in my mail when i knew i had 30 days to use them. I dont anymore and noticed the price on them have plummeted. I'm in 5 high end trading guilds on xbox and prices/sale volume are down across the board because of these changes.
Usually the maps that sell best are the ones attached to the chance to get a rare motif or what ever. Or if it’s a new zone a lot of people seem to want them so those sell decent price. Those ones can sell for like 10k or so on eso ps5. But 14 days is short for a sale time.
14 days is fine for most things but I've had some furnishings and rare mats that don't get noticed right away. Most people don't just look at the entire trader menu. They look for specific items so they may never see the other items
Ink dropping from resources is not the only change that affects prices negatively. Farming dailies for scripts drops a bunch of stuff from older zones. The script trader in the scholarium is an additional gold sink, that is objectively not huge, but might cause some people to be more careful with their spending. This also did not start with scribing. The change to jewelry crafting platings last year took a lot of volume out of the market. Releasing only two instead of four dungeons per year reduced the number of new styles dropping from relatively difficult content. Overland drops from Infinite Archive added supply and reduced demand for overland set items. This may have not been felt quite as much, but earlier this year prices for carry runs were lowered, so there had already been an effect. About a year ago people were expecting chromium platings to hit a million and there were concerns what that inflation would do to the game. The current development does not feel good, when you are trying to sell stuff, but maybe it is at least healthy for the game in the long run. It has to become more stable at some point, though. P.S.: 3:36: Pay attention to that heavy attack indicator bar! :D
The shortened time is making sellers lower prices so they dont lose their fee, until I see lots of furniture selling so cheap it costs more to craft it than its selling for, so I just dont list things at all.
I’m a trader on ESO have guilds in 4 major cities and I have made my money selling undervalue however now the price has dropped across the board so it’s slowed down for me also
I'm in 4 top tier traders on xbox na and my sales have all dropped significantly. Easily 70% below normal. My guilds are in grahtwood,leyawin, high isle and vvardenfell. All are in the major cities as well.
I think you might be right with why things are selling at a lower price. That makes sense that there's more supply due to ink farming. Hopefully it does correct itself down the line.
This is even affecting consoles (psna). I'm in a trading guild in Elden Root, I don't sell resources I sell mostly furnishing plans, motifs, writs and blue companion gear and pretty much nothing has been selling. I price stuff at what I would buy it at, writs at 500g per voucher so at most 4000g, one has sold in the past month. Blue companion gear I list at most 500g, not one has sold and my furnishing plans and motifs I cap at 50k, usually a lot lower and nothing... Before the past month or so I never had any problems moving my items, it really started around the zenithar event. I really don't know what is going on 🤷
We dont by from the guild trader bc the items cost more than they are worth EVERYTIME. I still farm annihilarch motifs and sell them for 25-50k a piece depending on what it is. And people are actually buying them fairly quick so I wont stop but even I feel like a rip off/scammer. almost half a mil for the hole style...
Honestly, things are too expensive. It's just better to farm it than pay what they ask. You mentioned inks, I get them all the time, why would I pay 40k per or more? A whole lot of players feel the same. Crown selling has same issue, we used to buy them when they were 800:1 now they are 2000 :1 and it keeps going up...most simply won't bother
Been playing this games for a couple of months now. This is the first game ive played that I consider gold totally useless. I can get pretty much everything I want for free by my self. Ive become Millionaire by selling craploot to the npc. I spend gold on nothing. I got my full gear exactly like I want it and I didnt have to buy anything from anyone except npcs.
For me, I'm just less interested and less engaged with the game right now and I have no desire to deal with over inflated ingame prices and items. Hyper inflation isnt sustainable for normal players
I clicked on this video because in the last weeks, I have the same problem. Nothing sells. Hell even the new furniture writs do not sell for really good prices. Food recipees are so many, that they are literally unsellable, same for blue furniture scripts etc. I even have many rare purple items not selling because?----Well probably they are not rare in any way because literally everyone gets them? And now putting in items for only 2 Weeks is literally pulling the remaining money from you pocket. Prices are so down that I do not even bother anymore to enter green and blue writs. For me as a newer player, that is a massive problem, housing (for which I play ESO in the first place) is expensive and now you cannot even earn money to build up the gold amount you need for good housing. For people who earned tons of gold during the good times it is not s bad, but newer players have no chance.
The changes to trading / mail might actually be not that bad. Having to pay fees more often is a needed gold sink to counter inflation. And surely you can handle the shorter mail expiration. But for me personally it's a bad change cause I already hated listing stuff on the guild trader every 30 days. Now I have to list the crap even much more frequently and find myself just not doing it anymore at all quite often...
Need the motifs to do master writs, completion of style books, outfit system, etc. If you have a master writ that’ll earn you a boat load of writ vouchers and you don’t have the associated style, you either farm (not guaranteed drop, no curation) or you buy it. 99.9% of the motifs I buy are for writs.
you have to drastically undercut everything. i recently invested in crafting a bunch of expensive furniture, but it has not sold like before. all the top gold makers are not selling remotely close to their previous prices. not sure what to do, but at the moment, i am listing everything for extremely cheap.
My sales are halfed at least if not more. I sell a variety of things as well. I don't post top price either. And I guess I was lucky? A lot of my products sold near the end of and month. Lots of people on pc are also selling more in chat due to the listing fee being so high for big ticket items. I'm fine with prices being lower. But even posting competitively lower things aren't selling.
I kinda disagree, I don't sell a lot of resources *unless* I have nothing else decent to sell. What I DO sell is motif's and PvP rune boxes.. but those aren't cheap and they DO sometimes take 2 or 3 weeks to sell. The AP is the easy part, the Proof's and Merits are harder.. and I'll stop selling them before I sell them cheaply. I also sell a lot of furniture plans and some of the more rare recipes, those go super quick though. Today when I logged in I had 5 sales, 4 where runes, 1 motif... for me that's slow sales, generally I'd be filling 10 to 15 slots, not 5.
Damn. Staff working from home. Removal of ancient item sets from the beginning of the game. Now you have to check your mailbox because of server cost. Game is on its way out
my best trading guild has dropped sales 40% over last year. We have been paying more to get a trader for the past 6 weeks than we are raising in raffle tickets // tax. And thats just my best guild. I have 2 guilds, with traders in major cities, that I sell less than 100k in items per week.
Self inflicted issue. Did you ever wonder why trade guilds need to bid up and not down? Perhaps this correction will force change the habit of bidding up for spots lol. Fomo effect going 180 coming home to roost xddddd.
Completely HATE the change to the listing duration. Aside from the price drops… if a guild losses their trader spot for a week, there goes half your listing time. Going on vacation could now mean having to remove all listings from every trader, or Zos will take your stuff, then there’s the happy job of restocking them all when you get back… And, I’m already sick of clearing expired items out of my inbox. Item that it feels I literally just listed
Your analysis is a bit skewed, though not necessarily wrong. At 3:28 you quote ZOS that most items not selling within the first week typically won't sell during the listing period. This refers to all items, yet you are using it as an argument for a subset of players with more unique sales patterns, like, for example, expensive items. It could very well be that it's true for these sales as well, but this can't be deduced from ZOSs statement. Anyhow, the changes shouldn't be an issue for most people, but I also noticed slower sales recently. Not sure why it's slower, might be seasonal or simply post expansion / event fatigue.
Yes, this is a fair point. Mats not listed competitively probably don’t sell after the first week, but those ultra-rare items always took multiple weeks to offload in my experience.
This video is a straw man for the fact that sales are down because there is no interest in the game atm. We track our guild sales and it is down dramatically across the board.
Trading on xbox is rough, game needs a centralised auction house or history of prices items sold. Even ink not selling after first couple days, only thing I can sell aee intricate jewellery.
I ended up leaving the game again. I stuck with it for 4 months this time. Had a blast with the loop of grinding for the market then taking that for house and motifes. But the loop was to broken. Game wasn’t fun anymore
This combination of things is having serious negative effects on every trade guild I'm in, but it's not reducing the costs...in fact, what the people bidding are saying is the traders are costing MORE to bid on. A shitload of people are being purged out of these guilds because they cannot make the minimum sale volumes and aren't getting enough to make the dues worth it. The mats that I've farmed and sold the entire time are selling for _less than half_ of what they used to. Your point at 4:50 is completely wrong in my opinion. I'm not some "high end trader". I don't flip, I don't target big ticket items. I sell alchemy and crafting items and the odd pattern/recipe/ good gear item that happens to drop and it's not only _clearly apparent_ it's _transparently_ a problem. It's not just a high end trader issue. ZoS's changes are going to kill off a whole lot of lower tier trade guilds with their incompetent bullshit.
The market in eso doesn't correct itself because zos is always manipulating the market. This isn't some well thought out game where professions help one another and there are predictable market changes...no, zos will literally just spam every inventory with free items during quarterly or yearly events, change loot tables without patch notes, remove and add gold sinks, remove and add gold values. There will always be ways to make gold but the market won't necessarily make sense.
@@Cooperharley0204 my take is the 14 day thing is the nail in the coffin. Everyone is undercutting pricing to sell quickly. This is creating a race to the bottom.
Only people buying things are those with excess gold. I stopped buying things because Scribing is so costly. ESO put in a gold sink and then tied daily endeavor options to it. Scriving is a really bad gold sink because even new/casual players are using their gold for it. Gold sinks should always be luxury items that don't affect combat.
They're def right about things not selling unless they sell immediately. If something hits the 72 hour mark I almost might as well just take it off the listing. Some factors effect it otherwise tho ofc.
if it forces the players to sell at lowered price, i can only be happy about that. i played on ps4 for years. all these years all i ever saw were prices far to high. anything i saw i would have sold for either half the price or even lower. dreug wax, recipes, gears, etc. the vast majority of what i saw, i considered it as a scam. dreug wax? i get those free easily from both mails and daily quests. thanks to the daily quests, i may as well say i was paid to get them. recipe? i got hundreds if not thousands of them by simply playing/looting. didn't even farm. why would i pay 10k for a blue furniture recipe, when i can get it for free by doing any thing i actualy have to do in the game? again, i could technicaly as well say, i'm paid to get the recipe. gears? again, i get paid to get them. why would i pay 50k for just 1 pieces of the set. was saying this when i started getting good. my opinion on this got all the more true when sets got to be recreated in the collection. i may have millions, but i won't waste my gold on a scam. if i have to pay far too much, i'd prefer buying a house, like i already did lots of time. it's a efty price to pay for a teleportation spot, but at least it saves time on future characters. i'm happy to have the dominion's remarkable house, so i don't have to walk all the way to reaper's march when starting. + plus it's great as a storage for any furniture i loot. guild merchants need to lower their price? great. maybe they'll at last stop scamming, even if for just a short while.
How many items have you sold for more than 2 million lately? -My feeling is it just doesn't happen anymore and you can better just give that item away than try to sell it..
I sell stuff all days. The main issue is people try to sell lame stuff by a lot of gold. It took me one year to learnt how read the market, what stuff is demanded by buyers every season, what stuff sale fast, what stuff sale slow, what stuff looks good but is just crap, what stuff looks crap but is really good stuff, THE ART OF RIGHT PRICING, etc. I think many YT videos about "get rich in teso in half hour" are just a big big scam and lie to noob traders. Many one day teso players want to get millions. I am a rich TESO man but it took me three years of hard work to get all my houses, my furniture and my bank savings and vaults for sale later. Sorry noobs but TESO is like real life, you need work hard to get the gold.
Is anyone other than item-flippers sad to see them losing-out? Scalping and flipping is economic cancer. So, personally, I'm thrilled to see these results. Regarding the TTC addon (and exe); its ability to export data from the game to a 3rd-party database, which is then utilized by a website, is fine; no TOS issues there. But its ability to _import_ data back into the game, for use by its in-game addon aspect, is against the TOS. If you don't believe me, read it yourself. Third-party software which lends players an in-game advantage over other players is a clear violation. And before you say that all addons are 3rd-party software; that's not the same. Addons run _within_ the game. TTC's exe runs _outside_ the game. The fact that ZOS looks the other way and chooses to do nothing about it doesn't mean that it isn't a violation of their stated rules. It only means that the rules are selectively enforce.
ya everything is way down in price. i mean wax has been cut in half. all gold mats really. and sales have deff gone down, random items sell slower. I dont think high demand items are selling slow, but again they're cheaper. On another note, and this may seem like a hot take to many on pc, but not to me, i wish they would ban ttc and similar addons. This was not how trading was intended and im not sure why they allow it. I also think it causes the market to fluctuate waay faster than on console where there is no ttc.
You said it, "the problem is supply and demand". All of the factors you mentioned tilted the scale in the side of more supply than demand. Added to that is a big factor that I don't see being mentioned much online anywhere. However when you have the fact that now that Zo$ only releases new playable content once per year, you have a lot of people who have played the game for a long time but now only play when the new chapter is released due to there not being a lot to do in this game on a day to day basis. These people show back up, farm materials thinking that is a nice/easy method to make quick gold, play the new chatper, and then bounce when the content is done. With all that said, I think the market will correct itself soon, maybe a few more weeks before things get back to normal.
Honestly I am a proponent of a free marked No bound only stuff including crown item stores kinda like black desert online you have it? You wanna sell it? You can.
You’re wrong with this analysis. This was happening right after the anniversary event and it got worse with the last update. I’m basically giving away stuff right now, because with the listing fees it’s costing me more money to list than what I would make for an item if I have to relist multiple times.
Yep 👍🏻 said in the video, listing prices sucked due to listing times being halved but listing prices remaining and that supply is generally drastically higher with inks and recent events as part of the celebration. So we agree and that’s what I said. I still stick by what I said. My sales are not down - initially, sure, but generally with higher supply and lower demand, you have to adjust prices accordingly. So things are selling FOR less not selling less.
I think the game is just dead. Scribing sucks so players excited by that are disappointed. Gold road sucks, locks on every door, nothing to loot. Maybe the scribing buffs in update 43 will help.
I rarely sell shit in any game, I just give my shit away to guilds or friends. Its a fucking game, and fake money, I do not care for a 1million gold item or 20 mil. The market in games are never stable so why bother? The times i do sell is because they don't take free as an answer.
Lol.... Just half price everything you thought you could price at.... You will get a sell. There is nothing wrong with getting a lower price for you sales because you buy things cheaper relatively. Is not a problem!! Just adapt!!
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I think the overall structure of the gold system is to blame. 3mill for a faction house, no open auction house, guilds being greedy, gold farming, and lack of interest in the game play key factors.
I thought I was the only one having issues selling my stuff.
I'm having issues selling stuff on the console too. A lot of it has to do with location. I am not in one of those top selling guilds or will I ever be.
@@anthonywestby4021I can tell you now that's why you're not selling. It's common sense. I've made 30+mill since June 18th being in top selling guilds. That's on you. Good luck out there.
Nothing sells. Never had so many items timing out
Me too 😂
I've been trading for years and this is the worst for returns and sales. Especially the high 1mil + stuff returned bites. it makes me think of trying other games
You know what hasn’t gone down in price? Guild traders.
They are going up, is what i heard.
Also faction houses
The problem is you have to sell "fast" now which indicates everyone undercutting heavily to sell quick.
Unlike before I would mark up prices and let it sit for a month and usually it sells. What a shame.
I’m one of the more active traders on Xbox NA and both sales and prices are down dramatically overall. Also, rare and expensive items always took me multiple weeks to sell. Niche items like Praxis: Khajiit Enchanted Brazier generally took most of the month to sell as only collectors, and fellow flippers were buying these items. Now speculators are just not buying anything at all as these items are too volatile. The changes may have been necessary but they’ve destroyed the high-end motifs and rare item market…on Xbox NA at least.
Then sell stuff for cheap. How much gold do you need and for what reasons?
The ONLY reason for lots of gold is to buy things that cost lots of gold. It's not like the game has NPC traders to buy things from.
I’ve purchased every dlc and expansion with just gold. Likewise, I own most the cosmetics from crown crates by trading gold for crown crates through my guilds. I’ve done this solely through trading. I also like to support my guilds through donations, life-time memberships, and raffles. I also give 50k to guildies on their birthdays. Not too sure why your tone is so cynical, but I hope you have a great day.
@@famousmortimer7933 😂 Cynical? OK man. Whatever.
You don't need to sell crap for hundreds of thousands of gold.
And how about caring for those not in your guilds? So the whole gaming community of tens of millions needs to buy stuff overpriced so you can support your guild of a few hundred? Think and reason that out oh cynical one.
I too bought DLC thru crown sellers. I made my gold doing daily crafting. Makes 5,100 gold per toon. I can eadily make 72k a day if i choose. And I make it without making others having to spend hours upon hours to buy stuff I'm selling.
It's great you help guild's. I meanwhile help anybody at all. I help people level WITHOUT demanding gold. Im a master crafter who onl asks for materials needed to make sets. In fact I tell them to NEVER pay. Every one of them are so grateful. From newbies to ol vets.
You can help others without being a douche. Guildies or not.
Talk about limited thinking.
Furniture - Forget it!, Motifs - Forget it!, Gear - Forget it! Materials - Yes, if you dump the price to half!
Done nothing but sell motifs for the past 3 weeks.
@@Roarshak I just give them away, no point trying to sell them
I farm ere, bs, and sh for motifs … prices are down but they move fast.
I found it is more fun to fill the grand master stations than unsold attuned stations. Once the stations are filled I am thinking of quitting the game at 2800xp. it is boring.
No. This is something deeper. For years I have sold mostly furnishings, and of those, mostly crafting stations. That stopped suddenly a couple of weeks ago and is now dire. I have lowered my prices to silly levels, and still no sales. I used to be able to leave stuff on the shelves and still sell 2-3 weeks later, but now I'm refreshing shelves in 2-3 days with zero results.
I think they should give players the option to list items for 1, 2, or 4 weeks and scale the listing fees accordingly. This would give us options for items of different values/rarity and also act as another gold sink to help balance the economy.
Select a 1 week listing option for items that sell quickly and we can pay more for rare or expensive items that may take 4 weeks to sell. Just a thought.
I came to the same conclusion regarding the "rapid" decline in prices of "all" gold mats recently.
Most of my ESO income comes from furnishing plans and motifs. These items typically sell fairly quick. I've been undercutting everything and only sell 1 to 2 items per day. This is way down from 10 to 15 items per day. I do agree that if an item doesn't sell in the first week it likely won't sell. However, I feel that there has definitely been a drop in trading. I honestly believe it has to do with the number of people playing ESO.
I used to buy furnishing plans, but now I save up gold for Scribing.
And it is a HUGE gold sink.
Idk when I'll be able to unlock everything I want from Scribing for all my alts, but honestly, it could be a year.
Usually games make luxury items gold sinks.
ESO made a gold sink out of acquiring skills/spells.
Really bad idea because usually the players that are buying unknown recipes are those who are casual enough not to have them already.
We don't have a lot of gold. We have to choose between a skill and a furniture recipe.
I think the materials will eventually bounce back and that's why I'm buying everything on 40-80% off clearance sale.
Sales are still moving for me but I've shifted away from selling materials as the market is over saturated.
For me, I recommend pulling up your guilds history too see what items are moving and then sell those if you need good. ❤
Not sure where you're getting the idea that this isn't affecting the average player. That's me, and prices have gone down on most crafting mats by like 60% or more. That, until recently, was how I earned my gold in this game. It doesn't really feel like it's worth my time to do that anymore. I'm lucky to break even with guild dues, and some weeks are all the way in the red.
This. The prices have not bottomed yet. I think that people are undercutting pricing to sell quickly. This is a downward spiral.
Same here, and three months later, prices for resources are in free fall. It's not a temporary blip because of the introduction of ink to the game.
I'm on PS5, and it's definitely a lot harder to sell stuff now, and what I do manage to sell is at a huge markdown from before.
My items didn't time out until this change, they sold like hotcakes.
I mostly sell motifs and furnishing plans, but I also sell high value materials, and my market gains have drastically reduced.
Motifs and furniture I give away to guildies now. They don't sell at all on PC EU.
I would say we're also still within the margin of error for the anniversary and zenithar events. One drops the prices of mats/style pages and the other drops the prices of mats/maps
You are 💯 correct. I'm on Xbox and I've been playing for almost eight years. The market is ALWAYS changing in one way or another and you have to adjust accordingly. Does it suck? Absolutely. I used to make my gold on furnishings, motifs and plans. Then they added the "writ boxes" that killed plan farming. Furniture became more expensive to make and more players can craft them now. Jubilee event hurts the motif market. Gold mats have always went up and down for different reasons. You either have to price things to move or sit on em. There are more gold sinks now too, more players are into housing, crown buyers, scribing etc. Just hang in there guys, it might take a little longer to make gold now but it's still possible! Get a trader in Mournhold, Wayrest or Grahtwood.
The average eso players don't have millions of gold in reserve. The prices of items are no longer for the average player.
All the scribbing skills are actually bad unless your a tank. a lot of healers have stopped running menders bond with the heavy nerfs it got. Theres 0 demand for luminous ink because all the skills are just bad.
Not for pvp lol. Scribing skills are mostly very good. But you don't need more than 12 lnks just to get those 4 metas on one toon.
Sorry, mate. I disagree. I mainly sell Hakeijo. Before the update i would sell at keast x5 within a few hours of placing. Its been almost a week and i have not sold one. Thats very unusual especially with a pvp event around the corner. 😅
Uh, well.. -That's what we all see.. Nothing sells except base materials and at a huge discount.
Just sell them cheaper lol. Half your price each time it returns. You will eventually get a buyer lol.
Equally you will not lose out with less return because want you want is also relatively cheaper.
Is just a matter of everyone scalling down.
The listing fee is meant to help eso inflation and as someone that has sold items worth millions I'm on zos's side.
I have been farming Merits in IC for years. Every 50 days, I purchase a Timbercrow Wanderer runebox, check the prices in TTC and list it for if not the lowest price then the second lowest price. The longest I usually had to wait for it to sell was 1 week. Since update 42, I have had to relist 2-3 times before I get the sale, even if pricing it lower than anyone else. So no, it's NOT just about the flood of mats following the Zenithar and Jubilee event. People just aren't buying, even things that are relatively scarce.
Well I mean sometimes what sells best really depends on the zone your trader is in too I find? I notice my resources sell best and writs do but the writs have to be cheap. I’ve been trying to sell an Assaults staff for over a month though, the high items don’t sell.
The market crashed in the anniversary jubilee event, hasn’t recovered since. The amount of resources I got in an hour was insane farming portals in Craglorn. Easily 1Million in supplies and other stuff.
People may have better luck with auctions perhaps. I have ok luck with getting what I want.
Cooper said not across the board, but furnishings motifs and gear is selling only if sold at 30-50 % less than I was selling them a few months ago. So not only are sales bad for mats, for me its just all bad. I dont know if I can play enough eso to sell enough to reach the minimum sales to stay in my trader guild. Apparently that hasnt dropped because trader bids are still the same amounts of gold T-T I've never had this issue in the many years that I've played.
Anyone selling Furniture relies on 4 weeks to find a buyer, even then it was real hard. Now there's no point even posting it.
I agree.. I noticed a downturn in my selling
There are definitely some upsides to the deinflation that’s happening on PC servers, especially for newer players.
I used to buy treasure maps all the time and let them sit in my mail when i knew i had 30 days to use them. I dont anymore and noticed the price on them have plummeted. I'm in 5 high end trading guilds on xbox and prices/sale volume are down across the board because of these changes.
Usually the maps that sell best are the ones attached to the chance to get a rare motif or what ever. Or if it’s a new zone a lot of people seem to want them so those sell decent price. Those ones can sell for like 10k or so on eso ps5. But 14 days is short for a sale time.
14 days is fine for most things but I've had some furnishings and rare mats that don't get noticed right away. Most people don't just look at the entire trader menu. They look for specific items so they may never see the other items
Ink dropping from resources is not the only change that affects prices negatively. Farming dailies for scripts drops a bunch of stuff from older zones. The script trader in the scholarium is an additional gold sink, that is objectively not huge, but might cause some people to be more careful with their spending.
This also did not start with scribing. The change to jewelry crafting platings last year took a lot of volume out of the market. Releasing only two instead of four dungeons per year reduced the number of new styles dropping from relatively difficult content. Overland drops from Infinite Archive added supply and reduced demand for overland set items. This may have not been felt quite as much, but earlier this year prices for carry runs were lowered, so there had already been an effect.
About a year ago people were expecting chromium platings to hit a million and there were concerns what that inflation would do to the game. The current development does not feel good, when you are trying to sell stuff, but maybe it is at least healthy for the game in the long run. It has to become more stable at some point, though.
P.S.: 3:36: Pay attention to that heavy attack indicator bar! :D
The shortened time is making sellers lower prices so they dont lose their fee, until I see lots of furniture selling so cheap it costs more to craft it than its selling for, so I just dont list things at all.
I’m a trader on ESO have guilds in 4 major cities and I have made my money selling undervalue however now the price has dropped across the board so it’s slowed down for me also
I'm in 4 top tier traders on xbox na and my sales have all dropped significantly. Easily 70% below normal. My guilds are in grahtwood,leyawin, high isle and vvardenfell. All are in the major cities as well.
I had trouble selling since the jubilee event but this month has been picking up with selling
I think you might be right with why things are selling at a lower price. That makes sense that there's more supply due to ink farming. Hopefully it does correct itself down the line.
This is even affecting consoles (psna). I'm in a trading guild in Elden Root, I don't sell resources I sell mostly furnishing plans, motifs, writs and blue companion gear and pretty much nothing has been selling. I price stuff at what I would buy it at, writs at 500g per voucher so at most 4000g, one has sold in the past month. Blue companion gear I list at most 500g, not one has sold and my furnishing plans and motifs I cap at 50k, usually a lot lower and nothing... Before the past month or so I never had any problems moving my items, it really started around the zenithar event. I really don't know what is going on 🤷
People are lowering furniture prices down below the crafting cost so there is no incentive to list alot of expensive items now.
I have been selling stuff like crazy to be honest. Inks aren't selling but I haven't adjusted the prices yet
We dont by from the guild trader bc the items cost more than they are worth EVERYTIME.
I still farm annihilarch motifs and sell them for 25-50k a piece depending on what it is. And people are actually buying them fairly quick so I wont stop but even I feel like a rip off/scammer. almost half a mil for the hole style...
The fact that scribing just came out at the same time and is expensive when putting it on multiple characters. I went through over 800k in days.
Honestly, things are too expensive. It's just better to farm it than pay what they ask. You mentioned inks, I get them all the time, why would I pay 40k per or more? A whole lot of players feel the same. Crown selling has same issue, we used to buy them when they were 800:1 now they are 2000 :1 and it keeps going up...most simply won't bother
Been playing this games for a couple of months now. This is the first game ive played that I consider gold totally useless. I can get pretty much everything I want for free by my self. Ive become Millionaire by selling craploot to the npc. I spend gold on nothing. I got my full gear exactly like I want it and I didnt have to buy anything from anyone except npcs.
thank you for your valuable input about nothing
@@salinaember9527Oh.. Did I offend you sweetheart?
@@ckallo Hes upset players have begun to understand the game lets you bypass inflated crooks ingame
Nah.
For me, I'm just less interested and less engaged with the game right now and I have no desire to deal with over inflated ingame prices and items. Hyper inflation isnt sustainable for normal players
I clicked on this video because in the last weeks, I have the same problem. Nothing sells. Hell even the new furniture writs do not sell for really good prices. Food recipees are so many, that they are literally unsellable, same for blue furniture scripts etc. I even have many rare purple items not selling because?----Well probably they are not rare in any way because literally everyone gets them? And now putting in items for only 2 Weeks is literally pulling the remaining money from you pocket. Prices are so down that I do not even bother anymore to enter green and blue writs. For me as a newer player, that is a massive problem, housing (for which I play ESO in the first place) is expensive and now you cannot even earn money to build up the gold amount you need for good housing. For people who earned tons of gold during the good times it is not s bad, but newer players have no chance.
The changes to trading / mail might actually be not that bad. Having to pay fees more often is a needed gold sink to counter inflation. And surely you can handle the shorter mail expiration. But for me personally it's a bad change cause I already hated listing stuff on the guild trader every 30 days. Now I have to list the crap even much more frequently and find myself just not doing it anymore at all quite often...
I've amassed tonnes of cool motifs just by having fun playing the game . Why pay inexplicably high prices for another?
Need the motifs to do master writs, completion of style books, outfit system, etc. If you have a master writ that’ll earn you a boat load of writ vouchers and you don’t have the associated style, you either farm (not guaranteed drop, no curation) or you buy it. 99.9% of the motifs I buy are for writs.
@@lef1970 I do master writs when I can or when the motif is cheap. Housing doesn't interest me that much in this game.
you have to drastically undercut everything. i recently invested in crafting a bunch of expensive furniture, but it has not sold like before. all the top gold makers are not selling remotely close to their previous prices. not sure what to do, but at the moment, i am listing everything for extremely cheap.
My sales are halfed at least if not more. I sell a variety of things as well. I don't post top price either. And I guess I was lucky? A lot of my products sold near the end of and month. Lots of people on pc are also selling more in chat due to the listing fee being so high for big ticket items. I'm fine with prices being lower. But even posting competitively lower things aren't selling.
I kinda disagree, I don't sell a lot of resources *unless* I have nothing else decent to sell. What I DO sell is motif's and PvP rune boxes.. but those aren't cheap and they DO sometimes take 2 or 3 weeks to sell. The AP is the easy part, the Proof's and Merits are harder.. and I'll stop selling them before I sell them cheaply. I also sell a lot of furniture plans and some of the more rare recipes, those go super quick though.
Today when I logged in I had 5 sales, 4 where runes, 1 motif... for me that's slow sales, generally I'd be filling 10 to 15 slots, not 5.
I bought a bunch of stuff to flip at the worst time. I'm losing millions.
lmao me too
This makes me laugh but hurt at the same time 😅
Prices just got to come down and it’s on us to change it.
Damn. Staff working from home. Removal of ancient item sets from the beginning of the game. Now you have to check your mailbox because of server cost. Game is on its way out
my best trading guild has dropped sales 40% over last year.
We have been paying more to get a trader for the past 6 weeks than we are raising in raffle tickets // tax. And thats just my best guild.
I have 2 guilds, with traders in major cities, that I sell less than 100k in items per week.
Self inflicted issue. Did you ever wonder why trade guilds need to bid up and not down? Perhaps this correction will force change the habit of bidding up for spots lol. Fomo effect going 180 coming home to roost xddddd.
@@jasonchui111 Lol okay. Its like this from the top all the way down right now. Sales are down 40% year over year.
Completely HATE the change to the listing duration. Aside from the price drops… if a guild losses their trader spot for a week, there goes half your listing time. Going on vacation could now mean having to remove all listings from every trader, or Zos will take your stuff, then there’s the happy job of restocking them all when you get back…
And, I’m already sick of clearing expired items out of my inbox. Item that it feels I literally just listed
The prices are ridiculous right now. I used to farm a lot of resources, but now it's just not worth the time, especially fishing.
The problem with console eso is there are no game masters on to stop bot from from farming mats so prices on things plummet and it's garbage
Your analysis is a bit skewed, though not necessarily wrong.
At 3:28 you quote ZOS that most items not selling within the first week typically won't sell during the listing period.
This refers to all items, yet you are using it as an argument for a subset of players with more unique sales patterns, like, for example, expensive items.
It could very well be that it's true for these sales as well, but this can't be deduced from ZOSs statement.
Anyhow, the changes shouldn't be an issue for most people, but I also noticed slower sales recently.
Not sure why it's slower, might be seasonal or simply post expansion / event fatigue.
Yes, this is a fair point. Mats not listed competitively probably don’t sell after the first week, but those ultra-rare items always took multiple weeks to offload in my experience.
I listed two inks for 39,000 gold. Cuz I heard the price was going to drop. From 60 to 20K and I haven't sold them yet.
Ink going for 15k now 😂
sold all mine for 10k each. prices are all about to crash
Another one bites the dust lol.
This video is a straw man for the fact that sales are down because there is no interest in the game atm. We track our guild sales and it is down dramatically across the board.
Trading on xbox is rough, game needs a centralised auction house or history of prices items sold. Even ink not selling after first couple days, only thing I can sell aee intricate jewellery.
Some people do writs on 20 toons and everyone hoarding everything. What do you expect to happen when everyone is hoarding and selling the same things.
i think its not time to exchange gold for crowns, im on pc NA the exchange rate is pretty high lol average is 2000:1
I think Jubilee ruins this. The player base got slammed with tons of loot. Auction houses will be the death of this MMO.
I ended up leaving the game again. I stuck with it for 4 months this time. Had a blast with the loop of grinding for the market then taking that for house and motifes. But the loop was to broken. Game wasn’t fun anymore
I've been selling ok. But I don't play the market like crazy.
This combination of things is having serious negative effects on every trade guild I'm in, but it's not reducing the costs...in fact, what the people bidding are saying is the traders are costing MORE to bid on. A shitload of people are being purged out of these guilds because they cannot make the minimum sale volumes and aren't getting enough to make the dues worth it.
The mats that I've farmed and sold the entire time are selling for _less than half_ of what they used to. Your point at 4:50 is completely wrong in my opinion. I'm not some "high end trader". I don't flip, I don't target big ticket items. I sell alchemy and crafting items and the odd pattern/recipe/ good gear item that happens to drop and it's not only _clearly apparent_ it's _transparently_ a problem.
It's not just a high end trader issue.
ZoS's changes are going to kill off a whole lot of lower tier trade guilds with their incompetent bullshit.
Should hopefully make the capital traders more competitive imo
The market in eso doesn't correct itself because zos is always manipulating the market. This isn't some well thought out game where professions help one another and there are predictable market changes...no, zos will literally just spam every inventory with free items during quarterly or yearly events, change loot tables without patch notes, remove and add gold sinks, remove and add gold values. There will always be ways to make gold but the market won't necessarily make sense.
I thought it was just me! Refreshing to know im not crazy lol
It feels like selling went tits up starting about 6 weeks ago?
I think largely right around the time the anniversary event occurred and then it was amplified upon the release of Gold Road
@@Cooperharley0204 my take is the 14 day thing is the nail in the coffin. Everyone is undercutting pricing to sell quickly. This is creating a race to the bottom.
The trader listing fee should be halved too. The trader fees will eventually go down as the gold is more valuable.
Only people buying things are those with excess gold.
I stopped buying things because Scribing is so costly.
ESO put in a gold sink and then tied daily endeavor options to it.
Scriving is a really bad gold sink because even new/casual players are using their gold for it.
Gold sinks should always be luxury items that don't affect combat.
Flipping items is what killed the market,,I stopped listing cause of that
I have no money anymore, and I am already selling cheap, now nothing sells.
They're def right about things not selling unless they sell immediately. If something hits the 72 hour mark I almost might as well just take it off the listing. Some factors effect it otherwise tho ofc.
They fixed inflation on PC but console didn't need the patch
well said
if it forces the players to sell at lowered price, i can only be happy about that. i played on ps4 for years. all these years all i ever saw were prices far to high. anything i saw i would have sold for either half the price or even lower. dreug wax, recipes, gears, etc. the vast majority of what i saw, i considered it as a scam.
dreug wax? i get those free easily from both mails and daily quests. thanks to the daily quests, i may as well say i was paid to get them.
recipe? i got hundreds if not thousands of them by simply playing/looting. didn't even farm. why would i pay 10k for a blue furniture recipe, when i can get it for free by doing any thing i actualy have to do in the game? again, i could technicaly as well say, i'm paid to get the recipe.
gears? again, i get paid to get them. why would i pay 50k for just 1 pieces of the set. was saying this when i started getting good. my opinion on this got all the more true when sets got to be recreated in the collection.
i may have millions, but i won't waste my gold on a scam. if i have to pay far too much, i'd prefer buying a house, like i already did lots of time. it's a efty price to pay for a teleportation spot, but at least it saves time on future characters. i'm happy to have the dominion's remarkable house, so i don't have to walk all the way to reaper's march when starting. + plus it's great as a storage for any furniture i loot. guild merchants need to lower their price? great. maybe they'll at last stop scamming, even if for just a short while.
You bring up inks... the price for those still hasn't bottomed.
Hasn’t bottomed but they’ve decreased a ton
8 weeks of everything coming back with less than 200k in sales, left a trading guild and have quit listing period. Feck Zos
it's probably the dead internet. My sales have plummeted like 80% the past 2 months
How many items have you sold for more than 2 million lately? -My feeling is it just doesn't happen anymore and you can better just give that item away than try to sell it..
Everything is expensive on pc server and there isn’t much ways to get gold
I sell stuff all days. The main issue is people try to sell lame stuff by a lot of gold. It took me one year to learnt how read the market, what stuff is demanded by buyers every season, what stuff sale fast, what stuff sale slow, what stuff looks good but is just crap, what stuff looks crap but is really good stuff, THE ART OF RIGHT PRICING, etc. I think many YT videos about "get rich in teso in half hour" are just a big big scam and lie to noob traders. Many one day teso players want to get millions. I am a rich TESO man but it took me three years of hard work to get all my houses, my furniture and my bank savings and vaults for sale later. Sorry noobs but TESO is like real life, you need work hard to get the gold.
Is anyone other than item-flippers sad to see them losing-out? Scalping and flipping is economic cancer. So, personally, I'm thrilled to see these results. Regarding the TTC addon (and exe); its ability to export data from the game to a 3rd-party database, which is then utilized by a website, is fine; no TOS issues there. But its ability to _import_ data back into the game, for use by its in-game addon aspect, is against the TOS. If you don't believe me, read it yourself. Third-party software which lends players an in-game advantage over other players is a clear violation. And before you say that all addons are 3rd-party software; that's not the same. Addons run _within_ the game. TTC's exe runs _outside_ the game. The fact that ZOS looks the other way and chooses to do nothing about it doesn't mean that it isn't a violation of their stated rules. It only means that the rules are selectively enforce.
Pc stuff Just over priced..Console sells because people sell at right Price..Simple.I check Price like most people and say umm nope
Prices are dumb high. Sell things you don't need. That means sell it cheap.
Earn money the ol fashion way. EARN IT!!
Player base im guessing. Eso is kinda meh rn tbh.
I’m selling nothing right now.
ya everything is way down in price. i mean wax has been cut in half. all gold mats really. and sales have deff gone down, random items sell slower. I dont think high demand items are selling slow, but again they're cheaper. On another note, and this may seem like a hot take to many on pc, but not to me, i wish they would ban ttc and similar addons. This was not how trading was intended and im not sure why they allow it. I also think it causes the market to fluctuate waay faster than on console where there is no ttc.
Max price should be 10k. Not 2 billion.
If the max price were severely limited then people won't be greedy. Hand stuff out.
That idea sucks
@@JoyOfSnarks Why? There are no add on for console. Yet the game hasn't died there
You said it, "the problem is supply and demand". All of the factors you mentioned tilted the scale in the side of more supply than demand. Added to that is a big factor that I don't see being mentioned much online anywhere. However when you have the fact that now that Zo$ only releases new playable content once per year, you have a lot of people who have played the game for a long time but now only play when the new chapter is released due to there not being a lot to do in this game on a day to day basis. These people show back up, farm materials thinking that is a nice/easy method to make quick gold, play the new chatper, and then bounce when the content is done. With all that said, I think the market will correct itself soon, maybe a few more weeks before things get back to normal.
Double barring bound aegis still? Jk lol, probably old footage.
Yea B roll was from a bit ago :)
Honestly I am a proponent of a free marked
No bound only stuff including crown item stores kinda like black desert online you have it?
You wanna sell it?
You can.
Everybody broke lmaoo.
You’re wrong with this analysis. This was happening right after the anniversary event and it got worse with the last update. I’m basically giving away stuff right now, because with the listing fees it’s costing me more money to list than what I would make for an item if I have to relist multiple times.
Yep 👍🏻 said in the video, listing prices sucked due to listing times being halved but listing prices remaining and that supply is generally drastically higher with inks and recent events as part of the celebration. So we agree and that’s what I said.
I still stick by what I said. My sales are not down - initially, sure, but generally with higher supply and lower demand, you have to adjust prices accordingly. So things are selling FOR less not selling less.
I think the game is just dead. Scribing sucks so players excited by that are disappointed. Gold road sucks, locks on every door, nothing to loot. Maybe the scribing buffs in update 43 will help.
Because everyone is bots!
Good pc market is finally correcting
I'm just waiting for someone to say it's Biden's fault 😅
I rarely sell shit in any game, I just give my shit away to guilds or friends. Its a fucking game, and fake money, I do not care for a 1million gold item or 20 mil.
The market in games are never stable so why bother?
The times i do sell is because they don't take free as an answer.
i make gold so i dont spend real life money on any in game dlcs or items. why are you so hostile lol
@@salinaember9527 Im more nonchalant than hostile but to each their own.
Lol.... Just half price everything you thought you could price at.... You will get a sell.
There is nothing wrong with getting a lower price for you sales because you buy things cheaper relatively.
Is not a problem!! Just adapt!!
Geez