Does The UK's New Rifle Have a Bayonet?
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- In a recent article/video we looked at the UK’s newly selected Alternative Individual Weapon system, the L403A1. One question which frequently appeared in the comments was “can it fit a bayonet?” In this video we answer that question!
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Thanks for watching guys, I guess let the debate begin on bayonets!
As always accompanying article here - armourersbench.com/2023/10/22/does-the-l403a1-mount-a-bayonet/
@thearmourersbench I believe various companies offer picatinny bayonet mounts, at least one of which is suppressor compatible. How resilient they are to an enraged marine/ para shoving it in one of HM enemies I can’t say
It's not the UK's new Rifle so the question is void from the outset. The Rifle is only 'Available' to a few chosen regiments and SFs.
That does not make it 'The UK's New Rifle.' The SA80A3 remains the UK Service rifle.. No that's not at all impressive but it is however the truth of the matter.
@@GMT439 bet you're fun at parties.
Calling this weapon trash just bc it can't mount a bayonet is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I can't tell people's nationalities from text, but sounds like xenophobes just hating on anything British.
When a British serviceman sees a rifle without a bayonet he immediately thinks to himself that weapon isnt pointy enough. Make it more pointy.
Round is not scary, pointy is scary
😂😂😂😅
You have a point there mate.
Genuinely my first question when seeing this new rifle
Overzealous cleaning on the suppressor will soon form a nice pointy bit that carbon sticks to...
Frankly I would've been more surprised if a bayonet were part of the requirements. Not because they're of limited utility on the modern battlefield, though, but because it's currently intended for issue to special forces, which means the suppressor's going to be on basically all the time which prevents mounting this pattern of bayonet. Were it intended for, or later expanded to, general issue then I fully expect a bayonet to be demanded, because its the British Army and trying to stab the enemy when you could've shelled them is evidently amongst their eldest and most noble traditions.
That's a good point but if it is out into general issue then it should be capable of taking a bayonet because people seem to forget that they have way more uses than thrusting it forward to stab someone. It's a tool like any other
We attached them with even 0.1 chance of using them in Afghanistan 2012, never got to use them, small arms fire was enough and if not assets available were used. So if us light infantry don’t need it to win doubt it was high priority
@@EnSayne987 It's not going to ever be general issue. Brass isn't going to afford buying Knights Armament Company AR platforms for the entire army. To be honest, special forces were already using Colt Canada AR platforms rifles anyway, now they are getting even better AR-platform rifles
We have field shovels/entrenching tools and if it really comes down to it, a fixed-blade knife. The bayonet design that KAC have shown is clearly oriented towards being a combat tool only. The point is a needle, and it's edged on both sides so you're always pointing a knife edge at yourself when cutting. Look at the bayonet that we put on the L85 and you'll see it's much more reasonable as a field knife. This KAC bayonet is not - the blade itself looks like a fairbairne-sykes!
But we're never going to afford kitting our average men and women in uniform with ARs so slick that they're costly even to American civilians. hell, the Americans made the move to the M4 in 1995. They still hadn't got 100% of servicemen off the M16 by 2020.
I'd be surprised if they weren't bayonets while providing practical value are generally issued mostly for the fact that they hold a major scare factor, that gun can now stab you so getting close isn't gonna be the same as trying to punch a gunman without a bayonet and people are less likely to run(we obviously can't ignore the fact that they'll be intimidated by a gun, but it does compound according to US studies in situations where you need to control local populations), they're a major intimidation factor and a contributing factor as to why they've been issued for some time now, though I'm sure they hold less practical and less intimidation value now that they don't make em the good ol 16 inchers which would scare the shit out of most people I say.
The bayonet had been used in just about every single war since its inception. It will continue to be used in every future war. Ammo runs out
It's amazing how far the AR platform has come, from the original M16 to GWOT era M4, the SCAR, HK416 and now the L403A1. Eugene Stoner was a true genius!
The AR platform goes further back than the M16, it’s first production iteration was as the AR10 in 7.62 NATO back in 1956.
Well, the hk416 and especially the SCAR aren’t really ar-15s or ar-10s.
@@dallenhumpherys7911 The 416 is a piston-driven AR-15, and the SCAR is an AR-18-derivative...
@@dallenhumpherys7911 The 416 is just an AR-18 gas system on an AR-15 and the SCAR is a ground-up design with AR-15 controls and an AR-18 gas system. Of the list presented by OP, all can be considered part of the AR platform, however, the SCAR would be the most distant of them.
The L403A1 is a fancy more expensive M4. The HK416 is a far superior design with its gas piston.
Bayonets are needed for extra pointy operations
Aka Shiskabobing operations.
Operation: Make my steak medium.
Pass the A1, and extra butter on my potato.😉😁🤣
Lance Corporal Jones is relieved to hear this.
"They don't like it up em" :D
The best part of the L85A1 was the bayonet.
I dunno...that left hand "Ninja Chop" as a forward assist was quite a, erm..."Unique" piece of kit...
@@ca9968 And what has that got to do with the bayonet?
the only bit that worked
@@whitewittock THIS ^^^^^^
The Brits have gone all out with the procurement of that fine top of the line American combat rifle. Nobody will be able to say a damn thing about the Brit's service weapon now. The accessories are outstanding as well. I am envious ASF haha. Bravo 👏 💯 🪖
Could still be improved by HK somehow though.
Yeah it just shafts American’s who own Knights rifles now that KAC doesn’t care about those customers yet again.
Will they be enfirld produced ?
it's not their service weapon.... the SA80 isn't getting replaced. the description quite literally says ALTERNATIVE weapon system. it's for select units only.
@@cr1tikal_arc Yes I am aware of that, but give it some time, allow the guys issued the KAC to report on its already obvious superiority and other units will begin to receive them as well, Britain can finally dump that abomination of Stoner's AR18.
Some people keep referring to the bayonet as "last ditch" but its anything but in British service. Its an intrinsic part of the section battle drill. At this point my stalker will report my comment for the sixth time in a row.😂
Bayonets are still useful for dealing with prisoners, crowd/riot control, close assaults, and of course, the event that all other fighting options run out. It turns out that people are less willing to try and jump you physically if you have a pointy knife ready to stick them with. And on top of that, intimidation factor, placebo effect, and tradition. And there may just be a bit of bias on my behalf because the first gun I ever was fascinated with was my Uncle's P14 and its 1907 Sword-type bayonet.
Where does the placebo effect come in???
@@christopherdean1326 Perhaps "placebo" isn't the right word. Say gou have a big fuck off knife on the end of your rifle, and it might not actually ever make a difference. But you feel safer knowing that you do.
@@hairy_putin Ah, I get what you're saying now. Placebo is not really the right word there, perhaps "comfort" or security" would be better. 🙂
Not to mention the utter terror of seeing a mad man charge you with a bayonet. The enemy will run.
this rifle is to be used by S/F so more important things required than a bayonet. Plus they all carry a handgun which can deal with close quarters very easy.
"If it's a miracle, color sergeant, it's a short chamber Boxer Remington point two-two-three caliber miracle."
"And a bayonet, sir. With some guts behind it."
SPLENDID, I tip my hat to you.
Great film.
"....Boxer Henry point four-five calibre miracle." But fair play for the Zulu reference 👍
The best addition to an L1A1 was the bayonet. What a lovely tool.
Lovely Bull Shit. No one is going to use bayonet in the 21st century.
yup or if you were RGJ it was a sword on your SLR...
USMC: BAYONET!
Department of Defense: NO!
USMC: BAYONET!
Department of Defense: NO!
USMC: BAYONET!
(Continues ad nauseam)
But how do you bayonet charge without a bayonet? 😱
In the stock there is a small mirror for putting on mascara, and an eyebrow threading kit.
And a kettle.
The bayonet is absolutely gorgeous with that milled out fuller, it almost completely resembles the Spartan Blades V-14 dagger, the most visually stunning dagger I've personally ever seen (straight behind certain variations of the Fairbairn Sykes 1st pattern).
My first thought would be for wide-scale adoption in the future that they would probably look at a modified version of the L129a1 bayonet adaptor.
I would have thought (if the need arose) a bayonet that could be used with the suppressor would have been more useful. Have a mounting point under the hand guard or something?
Hello and thank you for covering the Baynit😂.
I guess the kukri will remain only with the Gurkhas 😊
Great and appreciate the quick response.
I am surprised they designed the bayonet as a blade. I thought the older style where the bayonet was a round steel rod with a diamond-shaped tip was far better. Much less likely to break and could be extracted more easily after use.
Spike bayonets are relatively useless for what bayonets are used for for 95% of the time - as a knife. Rod bayonets are definitely less likely to snap but less generally useful.
I now need to go find pictures of that particularly interesting barrel profile and the weight reduction cuts 🔍🤔👍
When the shout goes out ..FIX BAYONETS ..you know shits about to happen.😂
I had the same question about the sig spear
Fixing the bayonet is the British infantrymans Red mist just got serious mode switch. It will be a sad day when they are no longer issued
Bayonets to go the way of the landline phone?
There is a need for combat infantry to have hand-to-hand combat capability because it isn't always practical to dump an air strike or artillery barrage on the enemy. Sometimes bullets and hand grenades are not useful. Then there is a need for back-up weapons when the weapon malfunctions or is out of ammunition.
Bayonet or something else? One hand-to-hand combat system taken off the table due to cost and social issues is giving every soldier a pistol. Fighting knives are "too savage" for peacetime armies. The modern police telescoping baton is a metal rod used to whack people--I oversimplified that! Having to drop the primary weapon in order to fight with the secondary weapon can be a problem. Speaking of bayonets, even though the bayonet was used extensively in the trenches of the Great War 1914 to 1918 there were a large number of melee weapons introduced: pistols, maces and clubs, brass knuckles, and trench knives, and the ubiquitous infantry spade (entrenching tool) was often pressed into service as a weapon. One melee weapon that vanished from the WW1 battlefield was the sword. The bayonet itself used to be sword length with blades in the 16-inch range. During World War Two bayonets shrunk to half that length--the M4 Bayonet was based on the M3 Trench Knife and had the same seven-inch blade, and ten inches was regarded as enough. The Rifle No 4 spike bayonet was all of ten inches overall, with a "blade" of eight inches.
Hand-to-hand combat still happens in infantry battles. An American Cavalry soldier and an insurgent in Iraq both suffered weapon failures, the insurgent pulled a knife and charged, the American grabbed the Iraqi and threw him out the window to die on impact five floors below. It's hard to carry around a tall building with a paved street at the ground floor as a hand-to-hand combat weapon.
Bayonets are more savage than knives for peace time bayonets were used when the british srmies job was controling colonies
@@demonic_myst4503More savage than throwing someone out the fifth floor window/
@@demonic_myst4503bayonets are definitely more savage but at the same time their use is largely like holding out a spear at arms length. It is also of course attached to a rifle! The extreme intimidation factor and the risk of self impalement scares off target/rowdy members of public. A knife however doesn't have the intimidation at distance power to it, instead it is only usable in close range when it really must be USED in a scrap, in which case the soldier has no real option but to start viciously stabbing away or risk being hurt themselves. This is unacceptable in peace time, and today even in war time you are likely to get people attempting to prosecute. Claiming that the victim was stabbed without being given a chance.
@@demonic_myst4503 depends on your perspective, as the one doing the stabbing i'd say knives are a lot more savage as it takes a certain amount of savagery to stab someone at close range with a knife. Whilst a bayonet is less personal and easier to do without having to go crazy or put yourself at risk of being grappled or such. Plus usually a bayonet is used with a single strike forcing the enemy to the ground whilst a knife doesn't tend to instantly disable the opponent so if they also have a knife the chances of mutual injury is high compared to a bayonet plus tends to require multiple stabs when face to face, that's the kind of thing that stays with you for life.
I feel that stabbing someone with a knife is more "personal" than a bayonet so has more impact on the attacker compared to a bayonet and requires you to be a bit more "crazy" to do without mental impact.
Quick release suppressor off and fix bayonet has a lovely rinng to it.
Why not a pointy suppressor with blade fins on the sides?
A muzzle mounted bayonet is _sooo_ 19th Century, and yet it's a surprisingly effective and novel idea.
A stick is surprisingly effective in the right hands lol
Its stupid instead of just making a bayonet handle clamp to connect with the railmount hugging the barrel. It is so easy to connect a bayonet in different ways
@@baneofbanes
Meanwhile trenchfighting has become common again and storming tiny firing positions and hideouts. Its something that closes a capability gap. And good luck being stuck in a house and running out of ammo
It makes no sense to have a bayonet attached to the muzzle instead of being under the muzzle. When it's under, you can stab and shoot. When it's on the muzzle, you can only stab. We figured that out over 200 years ago, so why have bayonet designs regressed?
@@darkapostle1 laziness. Its not even that hard to make a clamp mounted bayonet. Also cost. Seeing how short the average cannonfodder in ukraine survives, its not even worth putting much money into them. Anything besides a rifle, vest and helmet is waste of money to be honest. You either send someone with 1000 of stuff into death or someone with 10.000 worth of stuff who also just survives a month
Great video. I run a Geissele Super stabby bayonet picatinny mounted. Great mount but a bit pricey.
All of my AR's have one of these if they don't have a regular gas block mount. Great product even if it is on the expensive side.
Well the sharpshooter comes with a bayonet adapter that fits onto the rail system and presumably it would work just as well with the KS1
Wouldn’t be surprised if this rifle becomes the standard across the Army, and if it does, I reckon the bayonet would be the standard compared to the suppressor
Nah. The suppressor has way more utility. With the suppressor, the soldier has better awareness of their environment, will attract less attention when firing, and will reduce tinnitus prevalence. Don't got me wrong, I think bayonets are cool, but the suppressor is just plain better.
@@unknownhours Well clearly they need to do a bayonet suppressor then
Love how it's a free floating barrel,has a bit.of pic rsil where most need it the top,alot of guns go quad pic rails for what when magpull can be used it adds a lot of unnecessary weight,this is my new favorite rifle
I’m in no way an expert but would it not be easier to develop a bayonet with a quick attachment to the rail instead of replacing the suppressor if I understood that part correctly? I get this may not be possible if you have other attachments but I feel like it could then work on many other weapons platforms too bringing the production and design cost down.
Agreed. This bayonet seems like a case of over-engineering.
Classic A1 moment at 0:41. Magazine has fallen off and he hasn't noticed yet.
Rapiiiid fire , oh shit .
And that's why most people used webbing and not chestrigs....
Expect all viable magazines are in the rifle
The bayonet is a great psychological weapon and when any enemy hear someone on the oposing side shout fix bayonets they no its going to get pretty chuffin scarey real quick.We should definitely keep it.
I think the only soldiers that really need a bayonet are MPs, good for checkpoints and guarding POWs, and ceremonial guards.
If you scoff at the thought of POWs being intimidated by a bayonet Id like to introduce you to the Swedish-K fitted with a 1894 sword bayonet 😅
The Knights bayonet is a really clever design tho, having it be a muzzle-device is really thinking outside the box.
Bayonets were used by the British Army during trench clearing operations in the Falklands War. Up till then their use in battle was thought to be a thing of the past. To the surprise of the Argentine Army, they still worked.
@@georgegebbie8431they were used all through Operations Herrick and Telic (Iraq and Afghanistan).
The thing about a number of people running at you screaming with bayonets fixed is that unless you can shoot every last one before they get to you, then you ARE going to die. Unlike being shot at, where there is a chance of being hit, it's a stone cold inevitability that once they get to you, then you WILL get gutted.
That inevitability does a great job of forcing the issue in a way that bullets often can't.
Infantry were using them in Iraq and Afghanistan
They do lend tone to any Colour Trooping.
I’ve reached out to my local reservist centre here which is a REME unit - I’m interested in the Armourer role
Must be close if you can touch them.
some will probs be ordered regardless of their use of effectiveness for ceremonial purposes on parade
plus just a cool thing to have if ya get on / want one
I imagine either make the suppressor truly quick-change, suppressor strong enough to mount a bayonet, or increase the blade length and mount it on the rail. The first suggestion seems most practicable.
I think it would be pretty easy to make a bayonet with a ring that fits over the suppressor and a lug that can be attached to the MLOCK.
Can't they just purchase an Mlok compatible mount for the Bayonets? The handguard looks long enough around that 13.7 barrel that the reach of the blade wouldn't pose an issue.
Well that's taken us back 300 years. It can't be fired with bayonet attached by the look of it?
It can be fired with the Bayonet fixed. The suppressor just has to be removed first.
Bayonets are still used in training for developing controlled aggression, and have been used in battle as recently as Afghanistan.
How are you going to take the supressor off to fix the bayonet after rounds have gone through it, that things gonna be hot
As the US special forces found out, a ax/war hawk/tomahawk is far better for close quarters combat. And it DEMANDS respect.
British Paras were bayonetting the Taliban in the mid 2000s, they're still used.
I wonder if this new rifle will be used on the parade square (and therefore with a bayonet)? Or will the Ranger Regiment still parade with the SA80?
Interesting question!
Both RM and ranger will still parade with the sa80.
Mod will be possible, for infantry, and as the bayonet is last line defence, or silent departure .
Weapon, and has been used to to increase distance of reach over a knife attack, and a winner in terrorising the opposition, watch them run , barbaric perhaps, they don't like it up um, do they Mr Jones.
I always thought new bayonets would attach by rails and not by the barrel.
I think the problem with a rail mounted bayonet is that they would have to suspend the mount from the rail up to the end of the barrel so that the bayonet still protrudes beyond the barrel in a way that’s still centred along the rifle. However, on usage, that would place more stress on both the mounting and the rail fitting which could cause the bayonet to fall off or even the attachment to snap.
If it’s mounted directly over the barrel however, the stress is more evenly distributed while still being accurately centred. More sturdy and reliable.
You can't have a rifle without a bayonet for goodness sake. Good lord whatever next.
The end of the suppressor looks like a Fleshlight lol
More disturbing than a lack of bayonet is that the Knights logo has a frog flower in it.
Dieu est mon droit.
My brother retired from army as Warrant Officer with tours in Korea and several in Vietnam. I asked him once about a bayonet and he told me, If they are close enough to stab they are close enough to shoot. I’m sure he had uses for one but only as a last resort.
That's why. It is a last resort. They were used in Afghan. Not often. But they were used. People don't like pointy things being poked at them 😂
They are a weapon of fear more than anything
Regardless of if they're still valid or not in modern war, the old saying "better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it" will always be valid.
Not really, extra weight is a huge problem for soldiers.
@@brendandor considering the current bayonet the UK uses has multiple uses even its scabbard has other uses , weight isn’t really a thing it’s a knife lol it weighs like nothing
@@brendandorHAHAHA you better tell that to the people who write the kit lists…
You've got 2500 round a minute at your disposal. Your logic has zero validity.
@@dakotaflowers0you don’t carry 2,500 rounds though, and you can’t run out of bayonet…
As a non-military viewer, I'd have thought that the silencer and the bayonet would be most useful in the same urban environments.
Strange then to have either/or, rather than one or both.
Tp quote Cpl Jones from 'Dad's Army'.... "They don't like it up em!".... Surely UK is not going to put the bayonet to bed!!? 😢
The bayonet‘s chief effect is psychological.
It will be issued as soon as the guards units get the rifles.
The new rifle will also be easier for drill, the SA80 drill always had some weird parts.
The gaurds aren't getting this and neither is it going to be used for drill. This rifle has been procured for "specialist users". The sa80 replacement is slated to be in by 2030 and no one knows what that will be yet.
it's a shame we're not producing our own firearms anymore. not to mention a security risk.
Indeed!
Agreed. Even here in America while our small arms industry is solid and vast, our government has actually been regulating out the chemical factories that make our ammunition. As a civilian its actually not hard to make the composition for primers (although powder is much more difficult), but for a military that needs large volume on demand it can be a major issue in the future.
That`s because none of the latest crop of British troops have ever used a knife before, none of them had the correct ID to buy one from Tesco...and the one`s that do know how to use a knife (and do, regularly) are all foreign imports running around in London and Birmingham and do not qualify or care to join the armed forces...
😂 Can't argue with these points... (Pun unintended, but it works I guess) 🤣👍
You get training in the army for 101 things you have no access to in civi street.
As I understand this isn't a main battle rifle hence it is being issued to special forcea and Commandos who typically don't use bayonets. Bayonets being a weapon of the Line Infantryman
The question is how hot can that thing get before it bends
If this Knight Armament rifle is designated for Brit special forces, bayonet charges are unlikely to be part their combat capability. If it is M4/M16 based as it appears to be, fittings for a bayonet can be retrofitted very simply if the rifle ends up in the hands of the infantry. Still find it strange that Brit MoD opted for an upgrade of the SA80 and did not simply switch to the HK G36 or a similar weapon system such as the well proved Aussie F88A2 (the Aussie modified Steyr AUG). From a retired Aussie Defence manufacturer and former Aussie Amoured Corps crewman.
It’s a $2000 AR15 purchased about $6000 over by our wonderful buyers in the MOD no doubt.
My dad was at the dsi event
I had planned to be but couldn't make it down
this just made me realise, why the heck is there no bayonet attachment option in call of duty games
Bayonets are essential. But so are knives and duct tape so i think we can probably McGuiver something if we need to!
A better idea would be a folding bayonette on the handguard, while the handguard is aluminium it'd though and could be reinforced, a folding sks spiker would not be that heavy and could be long enough it could be upnter to the left or right and also removable but would have to be steel same with the mounting but if mounted properly on the aluminium handguard with enough contact points it would be fine, alternatively a mount for the long WW1 style bayonettes could be a good idea but it would be better to design it as a long sharp utility knife with space in the back l, a saw blade on the back and could even have the AKM type wire cutter.
The suppressor and it's mount could be modified to have 2 to 4 steel points from the mount along the supressor that connects to a circle at the end with a mount, it would be a good idea to be able to mount it on the supressor in at least 2 opposite directions so no way that it would get in the way of firing.
This is not a standard service rifle ( Canadian made or better yet UK made AR15 short stroke piston systems like ones used by H&K, Sig, and on the Taiwanese T91 would be a great idea or based on a modernized version of the AR-18
An adjustable gas block with a very short tappet type piston with the armalite style of rotating bolt would be the best for 5.56 NATO a barrel size of at least "18 for the best performance.
Maybe an integrial supressed system would be better and if the barrel is ported then it should be 20ninches or more as in porting for the suppressor should happen only after 18 inches of barrel.
5.56 was designed for 20 inches of rifling so it has enough velocity to wound and has much higher velocities Ty and range than 14.5 inches as the cartridge is very dependant on barrel length unlike say 7.62x39 or 300 blackout where a 12.5 inch barrel Vs a 16.5 Vs 20 Vs 24 does not have such a huge velocity drop.
These new weapons can just have the barrel and suppressor / supressor baffles changed to 300 blackout as if you want a short and quiet weapon that would be the best option especialy if you need subsonic.
All other parts including mags fit, it's just 5.56 brass that's been necked up to 7.62 supersonic got loads are similar in power to 7.62x39 but have a longer range, subsonic loads it's one of the best calibers apart from 8.6mm and 9x39
All barrels should be cold hammer forged and should be chrome lined especialy if it's for full auto.
But for special weapons where accuracy matters more a stainless steel barrel would be better.
The new US M5 and it's 6.8mm Sig fury full powered round is crazy expensive as the Casehead is SS and the the rest is brass, it was made to defete AP
So ironicaly after 7mm British intermediate round that most nations wanted apart from the US was dropped in favour for the full power 7.62x51 NATO that's fine for MGs and longer range rifles it's why they quickly changed during the Vietnam war to 5.56
If they kept with 7mm NATO British and upgraded it over the years in sure it would be fine.
It would be very expensive for other nations in NATO to use the new US 6.8 full powered round
I feel that other nations could come up with a great 6.5 to 7mm intermediate round, standard pressure ball ammo for normal engagements but they could just use professionally made steel cases as in ones that are hard at the the bottom of the case and then heat treated in such a way that the shoulder and beyond isnannhealed to be as soft as brass, steelcase ammo has a bad rap but it's fine MG42s can only use steelcase as if the bolt bounced it could contain the pressure and brass could not
Also it's lighter, can fit more powder, stronger and cheaper. The Russian stuff may not make such a good deal like brass but I'm sure a work around could be made or snsteel caehead with the rest being polymer but it would not work in h+k roller delayed weapons with fluted chambers.
NATO realy needs a new assult rifle cartridge, a new cartridge that can defete body armour then a new or imported pistol cartidge to defete body armour.
.338L is a great long range AP cartridge but 50bmg while great for machine guns but even match ammo in rifles don't do so well so a better 12.7 or even bigger caliber designed for accuracy would be a better option.
Also I feel a new GPMG cartridge would be a good idea..
After WW2 I feel they should have standard these cartridges for NATO.
For pistols and SMGs 9mm but a modified version of 7.62x25 tokarev would be even better. .45acp for supressednl
Assult rifles 7mm British
Battle rifles, sniper rifles foed and GPMGs that use a modernised version of 8mm Mauser with a shorter case.
.50bmg for big mgs
Later on something like .338L for long range rifles
A rifle cartridge made to defete body armour
Same with a pistol cartidge or modify what they have.
An assult rifle cartidge made to be quiet/ subsonic ( I'm sure they could just neck up the 7mm British to 8.6 or so.)
A PDW cartridge similar to 5.7 but better that can defete body armour
Apart from AI very few millitary small arms are made in the UK and in pretty sure all ammo for small arms are imported, the UK should be self sufficient when it comes to these things and should make a new non-bullpup rifle in 5.56 and 7.62 using a short stoke rotating bolt system stanag / AR10 mags.
It would not be so hard to set up a production like of AR10 / 15 or AR18 or even a nee style of rifle that has enough velocity and is supressor ready.
Standard ar-15 DI rifles when supressed have alot of gass blowback into the users face when firing.
Also smmo made in the UK and not just imported componants but all made in the UK
At he very least 5.56 7.62 and .50bmg
Maybe they're forward planning with the hope the rifle will completely replace the l85 in the future
They should have used a spike bayonet like the No. 4 Lee Enfield rifle.
The bayonet has not gotten any development if you ask me. Basic example. I am a exMil shock trooper. Room clearing, bunker busting, front line mechanized warfare, heavy infantry squad leader, instructor level on most infantry carried weapon platforms etc. Here is my issue with the bayonet.
1. You have to carry the knife, which is fine, but because you have to carry it and it often is oiled up as well. The issue is when soldiers use it to open cans and risk contaminating food or get sick. Having the field runs because of paraffin or oil in your food is not fun.
2. Fiddly front end with low weight back end stock. Older weapons were usually heavier and therefor retained more "spear" features with the bayonet on. With current gas operated weapons that a overall lighter and with plastic stock that becomes an issue.
3. The blade is vertical when attached. When you are "jumped" in close quarter combat and the situation turns into hand to hand fighting. You dont actually go "Krav Maga" mode. The one being attacked just locks down and hold the attacker while a second buddy stabs the enemy combatant. Now, when you stab someone to death you do not want the bayonet to get stuck in their ribs so you have an issue unaliving the enemy or having it stuck. That is why you are trained to twist your weapon so you stab them with a horizontal blade that will go between the ribs.
Point is, none of these issues have ever been addressed and the bayonet has always been an after thought. If you ask me it would be better to have something that just extended from under the barrel that could be locked into place that was a part of the weapon itself with a horizontal blade that popped out under the muzzle. While making sure blood on the blade wouldnt be crated in such a manner it might affect the muzzle opening. Having it be a longer construction connected to the main part of the rifle would also make it stronger as a stabbing weapon despite having more plastic stuff at the back.
Finally out the SA80 and in with some new guns we needed something like the US M4A1 for a long time
Wrong. The sa80 will still be used for the majority of uk military
With the advent of body armour and chest rigs for magazines (with or without plates) bayonets are becoming less useful. The bayonet is more likely to break, get stuck in the armour/chest rig, not penetrate etc. Also, these days, you are more likely to damage the rifle and at least change the sighting if you use a bayonet. The bayonet does not look to be much use as a utility knife either. So I can't see anyone carrying them, much less using them. In many years in the military, I only ever fitted a bayonet for the parade ground
The thing about Bayonets is that you are going to carry a knife anyway. The cost to have it also attach to your rifle is very very low.
The intimidation factor is high, especially with asymmetric situations. A crowd of rioters or prisoners for example.
@@eps200 It is not as in expensive as you might think. Also thinking back, the UK hasn't used bayonets for crowd control in the last 60+ years. And the UK has done a LOT of Asymmetric warfare and riots (Northern Ireland) nor has the UK used them for controlling prisoners in the last 60 odd years.
@@eps200 I don't think they would EVER use bayonets for crowd control in britain ever again.
The optics of that would be a PR nightmare...
@@LoveHammerManPrecisely why the Western world will lose the next global conflict. Too worried about "optics" and "PR nightmares".
@@gfys756 Russia is losing the optics war and the actual war😂
Its why Iran is selling to Ukraine as well and why you have no allies helping you besides Chechnya acting as barrier troops...
As a Royal Green Jacket we carried SWORDS.
Chromed - planning for fifty years time when it’s a ceremonial rifle. 😂
Great small arms video!!
Perhaps bayonet option only available and nessesary to ceremonial rifle like Kings Guard Regiment and other event
>country gets ”new weapon”
>look inside
>another m4
>🗿
Most armies invented bayonets that don't block your barrel somewhere in 1700...sure there is use to them in house combat when your enemy gets little bit too close and in Ukraine they have old school trench fights.
This bayonet doesn't block the barrel, it's a socket bayonet.
Corporal Jones would be horrified.
Are the rail mounts roo weak to hold one. Could go for an under barrel longer bayonet.
i note that whilst blood gutters are frowned upon, a groove to allow unfettered bullet travel seems to have found its way into the design
That's why you need a Shovel and a Bowie preferably a Black Bowie
I thought we called suppressors disruptors?
If a knife of some kind is carried by a soldier anyway it may as well be carried on the rifle with the pointy end pointing forward ! Could the suppressor be made into a sharp point ?
Geissele makes the super stabby bayonet mount that attaches to M-LOK and let's you mount an M16 bayonet. It's also $150...
It needs a handle grip at the front.
Maybe developed in anticipation for a bayonet requirement for the Sa80 replacement
I would suspect so. Probably in the hope the Project Hunter rifle gets generally adopted through Grayburn. We'll see on that, I suspect it won't.
We have finally gone full circle by going back to plug bayonets.
That would scare the shit out of me! ...you stick a dude laying on his back, he rolls... you hit something hard, the Bayonet deforms.
Now you can't safely fire your weapon & maybe can't even unthread the Bayonet.
If they have no bayonet, how will they get the grass to grow?
Hell, I'm a British Civvi and even I have a bayonet on my car keys.
A bayonet charge could be called at any time. You never know.
Errrr? never heard of steel clamps ... :)
maybe im not noticing something but why wouldn't you attach a bayonet to the picatinny rail on the bottom of the handguard
interestint that a Bayonette is still so hotly debated
Chesty Puller would not approve but he was a U.S Marines Marine
Maybe you could argue the pistol has replaced the bayonet (like it did the sword) as the close-quarter fighting and backup weapon.
It's no longer a weapon for officers and is carried by many front-line troops of all ranks.
Most infantry don't get issued pistols, so they don't act as a replacement. The guys who are receiving these rifles are more likely to carry sidearms but the same can't be said of the main army if they decide to adopt something similar. Modern usage of bayonets is mostly limited to prisoner management and crowd control where you don't really need a suppressor.
Other guy is right. Most infantry don't get pistols, and the likelihood of it ever happening is slim. Service pistols are large, expensive, take up more space on web gear, and require more training vs a bayonet. plus bayonets serve as multi purpose tools where a pistol is only a pistol, and sometimes a hammer, or maybe a paperweight.
Theres also something about the psychological effect bayonets have, but I don't think theres ever been a real study on that.
@@Wabaanimkii I never said most infantry get pistols.
Pistols have become standard issue for front line troops since the Afghanistan war.
You can guarantee that the Rangers and Commandos will be carrying pistols.
That is incorrect. All infantry troops in the British Army are now issued the Glock 17.@@colbunkmust
@@Aindriuh Unless they've changed their policy in the past few years, there's only one Glock per section, issued to the section commander. That means only 25% of infantry in a rifle section carry sidearms.
The chrome one being for drill/ceremonies purposes?
If they have to use a bayonet, they could probably tack on an L129A1 bayonet mount if they have to
Also a point to remember is the possibility of using the bayonet adapter designed for the L129 on the rail. Will be weaker than a barrel mount, but its an item than is already being procured and can be easily retrofitted to the L403 with an extra segment of rail OR with slight modification and the mount being switched to MLOK.
I've never heard of a rail mounted bayonet being procured for the Sharpshooter
@@TheArmourersBench think it’s part of the CES for it as far as I remember
@@TheArmourersBench it’s not a mounted bayonet, but basically a rai mounted casting of the front end of an L85s barrel, allowing the standard issue bayonet to be fixed
Oh yeah, just found it. ISTEC bayonet adapter. What a funky idea.
@@TheArmourersBench yeah, never seen it used, but they’re out there.