I’m trying to collect both but have a lot more masterpiece because of exactly what you said. I can accept the price for masterpiece because of the size, engineering, and look. The prices people are asking for small, beat up, and honestly not-great-looking vintage figures is ridiculous.
I'm 47 and grew up during the G1 era, so the nostalgia hit is very potent for me, also finally being able to acquire G1 toys that were originally never available where I live in the UK is great and not figures for the sake of completion but stuff that I really wanted back in the day and finally have such as Predaking, the Monsterbots, Metalhawk etc. Masterpiece is awesome and the designs and engineering is for the most part awesome too and I tend to find that guys that are younger than me collect the Masterpiece line but I just love, still after all these years, the original Diaclone designs and the more abstract stuff from the latter G1 waves, with 1988 wave 5 being my fave toys and designs of all time. The beauty of collecting and being a Transformers fan is that their is something for everyone.
I agree. I’d get G1 for nostalgia. My mind filled in the gaps between the cartoon and toy versions. Money was also a factor. Now I can get what I want with a bigger allowance than 40 years ago. If I do anything it will be one character for vintage and masterpiece. I also plan to get a static statue.
I like the look of Masterpiece but I’m strictly a vintage G1 collector. I have a few friends that collect masterpiece and forever upgrading to the better looking version. That I don’t like, forever chasing your tail and constantly upgrading and selling. What I enjoy about vintage G1 collecting is that it resonates with my childhood and the toys I grew up and played with, and on top of that there is a beginning and a end to G1 and I’m almost finished my G1 collection and once that is done and I’ve sold my spare figures and accessories I can just sit back and enjoy my fully displayed collection. I would hate to be constantly looking to upgrade.
Eh, I'm not constantly upgrading. My MP collection is limited to the figures from the original run product sheet(plus Reflector). The only MP I've ever bought and then swapped out was MP 10. My seekers are MP11s with a Maketoys Starscream. I do have Devy and Omega too. Yeah, I've got a handful of characters in addition to those like Hotrod, Arcee, and Springer but I'd never upgrade any of my MPs for another version of the same character. That whole chasing the dragon thing isn't everyone is my only point. I'm not judging if it makes people happy great, but there will always be a "better" version coming. I'm more of a one and done guy.
Years ago, I purchased a vintage G1 Sunstreaker amongst other TFs from someone, and was shocked with how small it was to when I remembered it. I think one piece not mentioned in this video is that MP figures often have the relative size to our adult hands as the old school figs had in our child-size hands. So am omnigonix or badcube or MP sunstreaker also tickles some nostalgic handling triggers. With the exception of one "character"/"mold", I don't "collect" G1 vintage toys; but might pick them up if I see them for a reasonable price (like when Walmart had them clearancing in store, or a convention has something unique... like Japan/Takara/diaclone variants green ratchet and black ironhide). The exception is the chunky monkey, 1/55 scale jetfire. As an adult, I've gotten macross renditions, takara releases, Bandai releases, KOs, colorful customs, and yes, some vintage G1s of that toy & armor. That toy was my favorite as a kid. What a satisfying *_triple-changer_*
As someone who still has several Power Rangers figures over the years, against a few of Bandai America's Legacy Collection and Hasbro's Lightning Collection...I can't entirely agree with that. Each line has a distinct look & feel. Closest thing to any sort of consistency in mainline was the Action Hero mold that Bandai used from 2014's Power Rangers Super Megaforce to 2018's Power Rangers Super Ninja Steel...those were all the same scale and a similar look. But Legacy Collection & Lightning Collection? Those are bigger than pretty much everything before apart from the ol' skool 8" figures of the 90s. Of course, amongst the Masterpiece sect, there DO exist some familiar feels. The Datsuns, Soundwave, Hot Rod (both MP28 & MP40), and Starsaber (from what I've seen in reviews, as I never had the Japanese G1 toy for him)...are literally the G1 toys with extra steps.
I love the nostalgia of the originals. I never got my originals back from a friend’s house when I was a kid and have been kicking myself for 35 years! I have found quite a few on ebay, and still have the G2’s I got back then but even if I managed to replaced all of the G1s I had, they still would not be MY G1’s, you know? So it is a glorious time to be a collector again with the modern version we have now. The engineering and pose-ability figures have now are simply amazing. Masterpieces are a steep price range so for now I’ll stick with the retail stuff, I think. Maybe some KO’s may be worth it but I am a guy who believes in honoring the source so I don’t have any of those just yet either. The WFC versions have taken root for me and I now have more Transformers than I’ve ever had in my life🤓
when i first collected the transformers back in 1984 i was so exited but only about the cars and planes..megatron sucks back then but i managed to collect all of them..but i remember wishing that they would be cartoon accurate..i waited so long since 1984 and now i am 56 yrs old..and finally getting cartoon accurate transformers..i was worth the wait!!
I have two reasons: 1. I gave up all my GI Joes as a kid, and a few years ago decided to recreate my old collection. With TF however, I still have my vintage collection from when it wasn’t vintage at all. It’s not large, but there is nothing I am missing. Except for the rush maybe. 2. The toys mostly “sucked” in comparison to the animation rendering of the same characters. The playability, though, was usually great. G1 TF were usually robust, and were fun to transform. However, they lacked the most important thing for fans of the animation - similarity. As a child, my imagination was bridging that gap. As an adult, however, I am craving for an accurate rendition of the characters I was a fan of. This is also why some mp collectors never transform their figures - not only is the transformation process not fun on the most part, but the very thought of damaging the figure in any way, causes more anxiety than the potential joy of handling the alternate mode. With that said, I would never buy a transformer that doesn’t transform. Go figure.
I still have my Takara New Year's Convoy reissue for the same reason, though I sold off all of my (Takara book style) G1 reissues stupidly, ugh, I am such a dumb dumb....
I stopped collecting G1 in the early 2000s. Did not get into the MP/3P scene until about 2016. To me it's not about the price. Rather there's just no point in collecting old, broken down, badly aged toys from 40 years ago that barely represent the characters I grew up loving. When I was a kid my imagination was able to do the job of making them look like Transformers. As an adult it just doesn't work that way anymore. I love my MPs and my 3P stuff. I love that it looks so much like the animation models. I love the sheer ingenuity of some of the engineering. I love that I can use them to create beautiful dioramas that look like they came straight out of the show or the movie. Most of my G1 stuff is in storage, and I suspect most of it will stay there for the rest of my life. Occasionally I'll go and open some boxes, and just spend some time reminiscing about when I got them (mostly from my parents, grandmother, and brother). I'll never get rid of them, but to me they're mementos of a better time in my life and of people I loved who are no longer there, rather than a collection. I have no nostalgia for G1 Transformers in general; the only thing I have nostalgia for are the G1 Transformers I actually own because they have memories attached to them of people I miss dearly.
As someone who offered to sort and catalog the vast collection of a friend who passed, I've concluded that the main reason for collecting G1 figures is the nostalgia of having the toys more than any nostalgia for the IP. Part of it might be trying to recapture a lost childhood in which the person either lost their original or was never able to get one back then and they're making up for lost time. Or maybe they're just trying to relive those happy times when they got super excited after getting a certain figure. Or bring back memories of a simpler time. Or maybe they're really into the history of the IP and want to own a piece of that history.
DS Ikonz just did a reaction on this vid. I thought it was cool as follow both of you and we still look at your older vids. Keep up the good work that spark good convos. Peace ✌️
I collect masterpiece and both G1, mint in package...bootlegs from China on ebay. If you are leaving them sealed, they completely look the part, fulfill the want and pass as originals. And they're, in comparison, very affordable. My bootleg G1 collection, if it were real, would be worth thousands. It's a nice illusion.
I collect both, but for my G1 collection I'm having to buy mostly reissues because I need that, MIB, brand new feel. I think the child in me is excited for both for different reasons. MPs are exactly what I wanted as a child, a screen accurate multiposable figure. When I open the MP boxes, the excitement bubbles up inside of me and I can't stop looking at the figure. I can't believe I have an exact representation of a character I love. Where as when I get a G1 figure, It's more a feeling of satisfaction and closure, as I now have something I wanted as a child. Though that said, when I managed to track down a MIB G1 Sideswipe, I had the same feeling as when I open an MP figures.
I am all in on masterpiece scale...but I collect Vintage only in MISB OR AFA Graded for the time capsule effect.. That is the only thing that can replicate that feeling of walking into Toys "R" Us in 1985 and seeing Transformers stacked to the ceiling. But opened, I want masterpiece for a close as toon replication to get the feeling of jumping right out of the sunbow cartoon.
As a kid of the 80s, I had many of the G1 Transformers. My friend also had quite a few, and his Mom also kept the boxes and inserts. I sold mine looking to make some money to fix my car, to this day I regret that decision. Now, I COLLECT MP scale. Why? Because many of them bring back sweet memories for me, the Articulation and pose ability is SUPERIOR as well as the Price, for most not all of them, tend to be significantly cheaper than a complete, decent to good condition G1 with box and inserts etc. These days, I simply buy a KO of a G1, or wait for Hasbro TT to release a reprint.
I collect both, but have slowed down on both fronts. I used to be all in on MP, but was pretty disenchanted by the overengineering and the necessity of watching a video tutorial to go from one form to the other. I would really like to see a 3rd party G1 style engineering bot. I know there were a few of those about 10 years ago from Impossible Toys, but I haven't seen anything like them since. I prefer that old chunky G1 era aesthetic at the end of the day, and this is coming from someone who has most FansToys & Transform Element / DS releases.
I started collecting MPMs (Bayverse) about 5 years ago and only now do I start to realize the value of vintage g1 figures. They represent a different era, different priorities, different technologies and a different economy. Sure they aren't as "exciting" as the new, super accurate, complex MP figures, but they weren't trying to be. They came from diaclone and evolved to what they are now. Look at the robosen figures, that's probably the future (next 40 years) Even Takara now is doing missing link which brings the missing articulation link to vintage G1 figures.
You nailed it across the board. For me, I didn't collect anything until I discovered MP/3P. I do have a few G1 characters but had those years before. MP scale and design is what I always wanted and never looked back.
I never collected G1 but I did masterpiece for about ~7 years. About a year ago I started getting out of it because I don't like the toon look and FT was getting hard to buy. I'm now all in on legends and loving it. They fit what I want a lot more: fun transformations. Now I'm stuck with having to sell 25 masterpiece figures and it is a hassle
I collected G1's in the late 90's out of nostalgia but sold them all in the early 2000's when I realized most of them just looked awful. Engineering and scale wise they are just a mess. many barely resemble their cartoon counterparts. You overlook that as a kid but as an adult it just starts to bother you. I'm glad that now we have MP's and legends figures that closely resemble the cartoon and that are way more posable. The cartoon isn't much different actually. You could make a whole episode on the G1 cartoon. As a kid it was my favorite cartoon but watching it now I just notice how all over the place the storytelling is and how many visual mistakes were made.
Yep the G1 figures were not great but we had to use imagination to fill that gap no need for that with MP! True the show has issues that could be discussed
Having watched all the terrible Japanese TF cartoons between Beast Machines and Animated made me appreciate all the good parts of the original show and overlook the mistakes. Except for "Carnage in C-Minor", that episode was an abomination even without the visual errors.
I totally agree. I've been criticized before by so-called hardcore fans stating that I'm not a true fan because I don't have an appreciation for the older toys and the cartoon. 🙄 I give the cartoon and those older toys credit where they are due. They instilled my love for the characters to this day but they have not aged well.
Speaking of the cartoon - Even as a kid I noticed that the animation was great for the first 3 episodes but they started slowly decreasing in quality as the episodes went on. But even as a kid, each new episode was was like a half hour movie to me. I recorded each episode on VHS then watched it several times during the week until the next episode was on.
I am SO glad that the original movie still holds up in animation quality, voice acting, dialogue, and plot. I tried to go back and watch the G1 series (and still occasionally on Hasbro Pulse), but it's a dog's breakfast. I love my memories of it and childhood fascination with Transformers, but like a lot of things, I prefer the remake over the original. It also preferred the 2002 He-Man, 2011 Thundercats, and G.I. Joe: Resolute.
That is exactly why I don't collect G1. I have all my figures from childhood, they are important to me, and are displayed, but I don't have the desire to get anymore now that MP style exists. Thanks for the video. Very enjoyable conversation.
I still collect G1. Several duplicates. Nostalgic purposes. The box, box art, the toy, the memories, the whole experience. Don’t believe I’ll ever stop collecting G1 or G1 MP
My roots come from G1… New Masterpiece Scale is my passion. But, I never forget where it all started. It’s all art & I’m never going to get over it. Much needed, yet responsible addiction. ✨🤖✨
Wouldn't call myself a collector, but I recently started picking up, MP scale figures from various 3rd party companies. Only official MP I have is MP-29. For me it's what I remember from childhood, the somewhat smooth and stylized looks from the cartoons. And the fact that there are so many options you can get in terms of price, quality, etc... gives that feeling we all had back in the day of, "NEW TOYS!!"
G1 all the way for me. That's where it all started. They're more simple and fun to transform, they have the nostalgia factor me, and I love the feeling of grabbing those last few figures (original or reissue) to complete my collection that's been building since I was a kid. I also prefer the big chunky look when it comes to Transformers. Granted, some of them didn't look great in robot mode, but in the 80's they were making simple toys for kids, not complex ones for adults, so I don't critique G1 too heavily for that. The MP line is really nice though. I have a couple and they look great in my display case. I appreciate how accurate they are to the comic and cartoon. I think it's great that MP exists, but for me I'm a die hard G1 guy, warts and all. Plus, once I finish my G1 collection (it's almost there), I'm done. I won't have to be constantly chasing new releases or upgrading anything. I'll buy the occasional MP if I really love it, but I have no desire to complete a MP collection.
I started my collection at the beginning of the COVID era. I choose specifically MP scale. I chose this because I wanted figures that looked as much like the cartoon that I loved so much as a kid.
I've thought about this.... I don't collect G1 However I have G1 Prime, G1 Magnus, Powermaster Prime and that's about it. As a kid G1 transformers were amazing, they looked so real. I chalk this up to my imagination as a child that i just don't have as an adult. I look at G1 now and see them as they are, leftovers from another show that don't look like anything I remember them as. Now we enter Masterpiece. These are how I saw transformers as a kid. So REAL, so perfect! These make me feel like a kid again. They look exactly as they did on screen if not better. Both modes are outstanding. The nostalgia factor is raised to 💯. We all have that 1 G1 that was our go too. But G1 hasn't aged well physically and in our minds.
@hotrod2391… your wish is granted. I got them to make an updated G1 Optimus Prime for you. It’s taken me two years to get it done after reading your comment…but. Mission accomplished. Till all are one my friend.
Original Transformers are pieces of time that some of us appreciate and like to preserve. I collect from many generations but always focused on G1, because of course, I grew up with it. Nothing will ever be the same as G1. What you see today, is because of G1. I never cared about posability or stuff like that as a kid. I cared about the figure and the concept, the rest was done by my mind and imagination. With this I am not underestimating the current figures, I am just saying that they should be seen with different approaches.
I'm a mainline collector, but I still collect a few Masterpiece and KO G1 toys of certain characters that stand out for me for one or another reason. The Masterpiece figures look more like collectible figures. They have presence and they have bling and they have great sculptwork. But there still is something to the simplistic transformations and the box artwork and the "evergreen" look of the G1 toys that can never be replicated with Masterpiece figures or even those Newage toy deco figures.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 True that. It's more than nostalgia or the lingering magical feeling of getting a Transformer for Christmas and enjoying every aspect of it. There was something about the combination of that purple of orange grid, the character art, the sight of the toy in alt mode behind its plastic screen, the tech specs at the back and the space battle that was just right.
This was exactly my progression. G1 then I discovered masterpiece. That slowed then I discovered 3rd part. I just can't get back into G1. I do love the toy recolors for masterpiece
I have a few vintage pieces in my collection but my target is definitely masterpiece right now and I’m picking up every toon version of the transformers cast season 1-3…😉
..........i had G1 re-issued Optimus, but because of my parent's cult i didn't have many other toys that weren't from garage sales. As an adult, i am collecting MP to 1) "get back into it" and 2) for retail therapy ;D oh and 3) MP feels more "adult" like a mature = respectable toy or something..................
I'm collecting Hasbro Mainline Transformers Generations only, mostly WFC. They aren't as detailed as Masterpiece and some really need third party addons to look more G1 but they are affordable and mostly in scale with eachother. I have a few G1s like Optimus Prime and Bumblebee and KO MP Soundwave, Cassettes and Prowl. The MP cassettes and Megatron Soundwave pack-in are displayed with WFC. As a kid it was a matter of what was available at that time what we were able to buy/get. Unfortunately the toy makers decided to release "plain" stuff which is what we're nostalgic for because that's what we had. Better sculpts were available (looking at model kits) but not used because toys were for kids anyway. It all changed with Mcfarlane in the 90s.
I'm a G1 collector and a MP collector but so far my G1's definitely out number my Mp's. I was introduced to transformers in 1992 or 1993 my introduction was the movie and I fell in love and during that time G2 was going on and because of those toys they make me want the original thing. As of today I own about 50 G1 toys, 7 G2 including Electro who is gold plate syndrome who is stuck in truck mode and looks good just like it is, 15 Mp and a lot of random from different lines. I really get my fix when I get a Autograph from a voice actor.
No I have not the only I gotten 2 Autographs of voice actors who have passed those are Jack Angel and Stephen Keener. From them I got Omega supreme, ASTRO train loose in box , Scropinox and reissue Fortmax Autograph
I still have my originals. They are at my parents' house, and my son likes to play with them, but I rarely even look at them. Years ago, I tried to find a G1 Sideswipe reissue or whatever. I'd always wanted him. All I could find were figures upwards of $100 on ebay. Nope. Screw that. Then I discovered MP and the rest was history. I hate dealing with vintage or even pre-owned stuff. Buying OR selling. I don't have the patience for it. I can't stomach the markup. It just doesn't compute in my head. I collect figures that make me happy. Not ones I can sell later and cash in.
Mike I've been collecting for quite a few years.Transformers are usually a car ,jet so on and so forth. So I kind of got away from it for a little while and went down the rabbit hole with mezco figures. have a good weekend buddy.
As a kid, I had a few G1 Transformers - Jetfire, Superion, Shockwave, the insecticons. But most of the G1 stuff was either too ugly or too expensive, so I got into GI Joe instead. But I always loved the G1 Transformers characters and cartoon. My brother and I even made a simple D&D style RPG with those original Autobots and Decepticons. Then we created some of our own Transformers in our imagination to be a part of that game we created. Having bought a few G1 Transformers as an adult collector (e.g. Predaking, whom I couldn't afford as a child), they never pulled me all the way in. But MP Transformers finally scratched that itch. I've been collecting them now for the last two years and am having a great time.
When i was a kid i loved transformers. But almost always was disappointed with their articulation and inability to really play with them like i wanted to. It didnt stop me from buying them but it was always a thing i realized with each figure. There were a few exceptions. The generations toy line came around and it finally gave me what i wanted from transformers. I dont need to spend masterpiece collection prices or g1 prices to get what i wanted from transformer figures.
this specifically is why I have such high hopes for legacy and relative ripples I'm from a bit later, but a son of GiG, which means I got exposed to everything but the commercial from pre-G1 to Rid like I lived at the time. there are many figure that still holds as a collector piece, but not really as a "toy to play with" that has not been touched since the great G1 revival, and the new interest can only be good for them take Armada Sideways, that's basicaly how the charather has been defined by the fandom, and his original toy was eccelence for the time, he's worth of with modern engieneering or even MP treatment, but since he's not G1, I don't think that's even been a third part for him, while we are drowning under other charathers
The only problem arrives when a figure you want or need is expensive as hell on this secondary market, like the Earthrise ironhide is more expensive than the masterpiece. I'm definitely feeling this trying to finish my 1984 year characters for WFC
I got back into collecting years ago by getting a reissue Soundwave. Then I got a few other figures I'd always wanted. But then I discovered Classics and lost interest in G1 figures because new figures are more interesting to transform and they're poseable.
Interesting video and I might use it for conversation on FB group I'm on. I enjoyed reading others' comments on what they do for their TF collection. We all do things differently. I am TF collector and I have only couple of MPs of characters that are important and loved by me. To me they are that tad bit too complex for me and I prefer the store bought Hasbro toys which to me look awesome and capture everything I want of the toy and character. MPs are beautiful rendition of their old cartoon selves. I also have original G1 toys. I agree with others' comments about what they sell for even an old wreck which is "huh" moment. I would never sell off my original G1s and I'm still slowly buying original like once year I'll get couple I don't have. I figure with the prices and the thrill of the hunt, I'm in no hurry to get original. Took me years to get original Springer at toy show.
I don't know anyone who has collected all TF G1 releases. But there's no point in doing so now that 3rd parties are doing a better job of creating molds that are more accurate to the character.
I collect some G1 but only select characters. There's just so much derpy stuff about the original toys that I could overlook as a kid but not as an adult.
Masterpiece are way too expensive considering i can buy a combiner wars Bruticus that looks great or a titan size for the same price i own some of the masterpieces but lucked out and only paid 15 dollars like Blitzwing best in my opinion is the animated. But everyone has there opinions Universe was my Masterpieces when you look at detail and they where less than 20 dollars a piece i also stay away from repaints if i can:)
For me my G1 and even G2 collection is in a mystery state, basically I still have stuff with my parents and we haven't found the box they reside with and the search for that box always gets side tracked when ever I want to go through my old stuff to see what I want to go on the collector market or sell as mixed parts, that said I hope they didn't go the same way as my Dino Riders collection, buried in the backyard of my cousin's house where they still are digging up pieces of it (that collection did include the brachiosaurus). My heart is no longer in it and keeping my older collection for the newer generation of my family will break my heart for I know most of them won't value the collection beyond that of been a toy even when it reaches antic status. If I find the box, I'll have my fun photographing it, make a few stop motions and between the 45th and 50th anniversary find a home for them. If I reach my 70th birthday I'll more than likely be doing the same with the rest of the collectables I have gotten in my adult life.
Beautifully-engineered, cartoon-accurate toys vs. G1? Yeah... I still have a lot of my original G1 toys, but I've still taken to collecting newer figures now. My jam is the original movie, so for example, I still have my original Kup but I've also picked up Generations Sgt. Kup because it's a better, cooler, more posable figure and I like that it transforms into something that looks like an actual truck. Same with my Energon Rodimus. The latter actually looks like a real truck and not a "futuristic" Winnebago.
I only collect MP these days. I just don't have the space or money to double dip into other lines. 😔 Collected TFC Ehobby and Encore a decade ago. Had to sell them over moving and other bills.
i only had a few vintage G1 as a kid..couldnt afford them. so i feel no need to collect what i never had for nostalgia....i collect the masterpiece which is way way better in everyway
I collect Masterpiece, orginal G1, current mainline, and a few legends. It depends on what holes I'm trying to fill. For example: I'm still looking for a G1 trailbreaker and my Season 1 G1 Transformers as complete! However, I like the chug scale the most. Legends are for mass-shifted robots like Megatron or Blaster. I only collect Masterpiece if it's a characters I really really like! I'm not going to get an MP Huffer or Reflector any time soon. I have representation on my shelf so I'm good. That's how I'm able to balancing things out so my wife doesn't kille me! lol
I have my vintage. Both the Joes and TFs. I am collecting the classified and FTs. If it’s not made yet. I’ll get a KO HasTak. Keep it in vehicle mode if I already got a Ft.
I have an original Jetfire in nice condition because he's my favorite G1 toy and I'm a big Macross fan too. I do have several reissues like the flip-open cover boxed figures that Takara released with the Pat Lee artwork. I love those mainly because of the boxes. I also picked up a couple Encore Fort Maxs. The only Walmart reissue I have is Blaster. I wouldn't mind picking up more but the Walmart releases tend to be overpriced until they are clearanced and they haven't put out any figures I really want. I also feel most G1 toys haven't aged well at all. MP options offer much better representations of those characters and I'd rather put funds to getting MP versions.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 They need to release better ones like all the car bots but I don't know if there would be a licensing problem because of the fact they are based on real cars.
I do try to collect both. The issue with vintage is the ridiculous prices and so few have all the parts any more. Take Horri-Bull for example. Almost always broken, and if he's not, he's really expensive. Or Mirage. The waist is almost always broken. So, I bought the knock-off Mirage. I get to have the enjoyment of transforming an original-looking figure and have all the parts and relatively good condition stickers. MP, I'd like to collect more but the trend is towards the low-detail cartoon look which is not that great.
Still collect G1..never eBay are on line ..I want deal with the seller face to face when dealing with G1 Luckily I know a couple reputable people and give me good deals and not scalper prices.just picked up a 100% complete Menosor for 100..I buy lots of 3rd party..Iron Factory,Newage,Planet X and a few others..I don't care about scale or being a completionst..I haven't purchased mainline in almost 2 years..
I had all my original G1 figures, but once a good MP comes out I replace them and sell my G1s. Some G1 figs even as a kid I didn't like because they didn't look anything like the cartoon. Likely I'll always have some of each, such as my dedicated G1 Pretender shelf. I don't think we'll ever see MPs of those.
I find it strange when people say that they aren’t into collecting… And then You see their response, as they lay their eyes on what You have on the shelves: ✨😳⭐️😮🌟🫢💫‼️✨ @ that time, You could almost look into their souls (& I’m not even bragging). PRICELESS ✨🤖✨‼️
I have a few G1 bots. Some are my originals and I have bought over they years. I've never wanted a full collection just certain characters and redecos. MP is cool I have quite a few of those too.
The problem I have with masterpiece is that they are seriously being scalped on ebay , people are asking for more than what a Hot Toys is worth . The scale and quality doesn't command the price people charge.
Im it to the masterpiece, i love how they look and there a lot of fun. Id looked into the original g1. But was largely put off for the price. Stuff thats out there even partly busted ive seen with just crazy mark ups. Still looking forward to whats to come with all masterpiece fugures.
I like the quirkiness of the originals and the die-cast metal, the fact the scales are weird, they look compromised by their alt modes, they are awkward, fat, skinny, tall, short, I am not so keen on the modern versions that just look like average size and height people in costumes, the originals look like weird alien robots, I much prefer the original faces of Brawn and Bumblebee, Rachet and Ironhide. On the flip side of all that I recently completed my G1 Autobots from 1984 and then stuck almost all of them on eBay, I'm 43 and it just feels weird having them all staring at me. I kept some of the very first ones I got as a child, but having them all on display at this time in my life left me cold.
I still collect both but since i have damn near ever g1 fig i mostly have switched to masterpiece only.....ill still pick up g1 stuff here and there norm its the few that i dont have or the accessories im missing for them although i got and had most of my g1s before the bayverse came out and before the g1 prices got crazy......but its getting the price of masterpiece is getting outta hand
I despise G1 Transformers toys. I had a huge collection of them, sold them off about 12 years ago and I was happy to do it. If someone offered me a complete G1 Transformers collection under the condition I display and never sell them I'd say no thanks. I don't think any less of G1 collectors. If I walked in someone's house and they had cabinets full of vintage toys I would find it cool, for them. Not for me though. I played with them as a kid and always thought, "I really like these, but they $uck". The current Mainline is what I always wished G1 had been, that's why I enjoy it so much!
I only collect MP. I didnt grow up in the 80s so I have no nostalgia for G1. I think the MPs are the definitive versions so I dont bother with any other line for G1 characters.
Personally I’m 22 right so I have no nostalgic connection to the vintage figures. I started my collection with figures from animated and prime which were the series I grew up with and never liked the g1 aesthetic but the fanstoys grimlock looked cool enough so I bought it and was intensely impressed by the quality of it and so I now collect masterpiece style stuff (cartoon and movie as I also grew up with the movies). That’s personally why I don’t collect vintage to me the toys look like complete doodoo lol
@@tydiriumhanger1320 definitely I'd love to see some of these 3rd parties to tackle animated (arguably the best transformers cartoon) and more prime (which apc has been doing a pretty excellent job representing that)
I'm an 80's kid and I was there for the 80's line debut. 9 year old me outgrew those toys. Most never came close to matching the animation model and that bothered me a whole lot. Stunticons, Aerialbots, Combaticons, Constructions, Brawn, the list goes on and on...were horrible figures.
Like the video but the price for MP no and the same for G1 no sorry not worth it. As for me I collected classic line and universe line. I did pick up Soundwave walmart reissue but got it on clearance and the 4 tape all for 50.00.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 That sounds about right. You should do a top ten ‘Coolest vehicle modes with the lamest robot modes”. Let’s see ya got SunStreaker, uhhh… Brawn, definitely the van bros Ratchet and Ironhide, definitely some of the worst of the bunch.
Masterpiece Transformers simply looks way better than the vintage ones in my honest opinion. And Masterpiece and the current mainline Transformers are easy to pose as well and are accurate to the cartoon vintage not so much and it is outdated but hey to each it's own😊 and don't get me wrong i don't hate vintage Transformers. Other than that a great video keep it up👍
the main Reason is simple, Cartoon Accuracy, most MP collectors are looking to have something that is straight up from the cartoon, G1 toys were always a disapoint in that regard because they didnt look like the cartoon at all, theres a reason cartoon accuracy is all the boom with MP designs now, beacause thats what most Mp collectors want
@@tydiriumhanger1320 making actual characters that look exactly as the toys was kinda imposible if not only due to how awkward the toys are but how difficult would be to animate, think about hoist and how weird he looks compared to the more season 1 streamlined animation models, he didn't have the most dynamic poses during the cartoon for the same reason, its so hard to make something fluid with something so clunky
I have three G1 transformers I have rodimus prime and the trailer I have Huffer the bluish purple semi and I have Unicron the planet I paid around five bucks for all three of them
I'm g1 for life. in my opinion all others r copycats. plus my 8 old son and I play with g1 transformers. I couldn't imagine my son transformering the new ones they take 10 to 30 minutes to transform. the g1 r more simple that's what's awesome bout them. kids can play with them. all the news one in my opinion r mainly for collector's to put on shelves
I'm not into TF action figures collecting because I love the Cartoon, even though I liked it when I was a kid, I'm into it because I love action figures and TF action figures per se. I have 38 G1 Transformer toys because I kept them since I was a kid but most of them, if not all, aren't that good at least not as TF action figures so I have no interest whatsoever in collecting G1 TF toys.
Because they suck, that's why. Seriously, I am collecting Masterpiece scaled Transformers figures precisely because how little most of the Generation 1 figures resemble their on-screen counterparts. The closest option for a perfect representation of that is what I seek. Also, another reason I loathe G1 figures is how little articulation they have, even though I never even require a huge amount of it from the figures that I am collecting. So believe me, Tydirium hanger, that I do not find myself with one character that I want to go back and get.
Excuse imo if you want g1 80s-90s its all Earthrise/War for cybertron and Kingdom wfc legacy beast wars hell ya! Masterpiece too expensive now. Earthrise Prime is just Prime till all are one ;-)
@@tydiriumhanger1320 I collect G1 for the nostalgia. Well used to since my collection is complete. So i started with masterpiece. But i value my G1 more.
Jetfire was not jetfire. Being a macross fan jetfire g1 toy was a rip off from macross, while watching the cartoon it was also totally different. The transformers fan base might think different. You need to remember, transformers cartoon were made based on toys made. A younger generation love transformers seige but I hate the line. Roadbuster and whirl were from dorvack Some people say g1 cartoon are lazy drawing, they don’t appreciate the age of the cartoon. I can’t get along well with my friend for that matter. We have arguments over the current raiden by moon studio and Takara.
I don't like vintage G1 toys, I don't like modern toys painted and styled to look G1, and I'm especially sick of the phrase "G1" itself. Give me modern engineering that looks like a modern robot and a realistic vehicle any day.
@@tydiriumhanger1320 that may be true, but there are other transformers media besides generation 1. Beast wars, idn comics, universe, and whatever new cartoon comics Hasbro comes up with should be based on modern aesthetics, in my humble opinion.
Defiantly a VERY opinion driven video trying to state opinion as fact. I collect both vintage and MP. They are different things. Your opinion that MP is the seeking of perfection is, in my opinion, misplaced and never the intention of the line. The intent by interviews with Takara designers was to evoke nostalgia. Not seek perfection. On the other hand, vintage is perfection for what it is because it is not trying to replicate anything. MP is an attempt to replicate a very poorly drawn, ridiculously inconsistent cartoon and frankly, very bad cartoon. There IS no such thing as perfection in MP because every episode, something was different. Either scale or color or proportion or in a few cases completely different appearance. EX: Broadside. Your opinion is also VERY weighted toward the cartoon and has no consideration of the source material. The vintage toys. Just pointing out. Not trying to start a debate. For myself and many others, we had the toys WAY before the cartoon ever aired as the toys came out months ahead of the show nation wide. When Transformers came out, myself and all my friends and school mates all had the toys months before the show aired. Everyone I knew was like, "why does the cartoon look wrong". We all knew that Frenzy was Blue and Rumble was Red and that the cartoon was a mistake (proven in interviews and documents from old Sunbow, BTW). Even the character TechSpec profiles were different in the cartoon a lot of the time. The cartoon was meaningless except for character context and story plot. It was and still is for me, having the toy in hand that makes it real. That is what I care about. I collect both because I appreciate the vintage from my childhood and I appreciate the engineering and updated aesthetics of modern. I think there are more collectors that collect both than you think. I really think people whom collect both are in the majority. :) I'd say if there is anything holding anyone back on vintage, it is not that they think they "don't look good" or "are not perfection" or the like. I think it is the dwindling availability. Hasbro/Takara aren't doing reissues all that much anymore and the so called "reissues" (KO's) are getting harder to find too. Finding actual vintage in any decent state of condition is getting very difficult and usually ends up being a bit of a project to find missing parts or conduct repairs or restoration. This all drives up prices... which is a secondary effect... I digress. I will say that while the modern MP may "look" better and "articulate" better, they are usually so complicated that they are devoid of any real fun. I much prefer the fun and fidget factor of the vintage and am much more excited to acquire a new vintage piece than a new MP. I value MP for what it is and I value vintage for what it is.
Great points! This vid is a summary of feedback I have read over the years and some points I agree with some not. There are benefits of collecting Vintage an MP both and for different reasons
I have most of season one and two of vintage. Honestly masterpiece gives me that representation that I always imagined them to be in my head when I was a child. So for that reason I stopped with vintage and sunk all of my money into the masterpiece game. Plus like you discuss I can't justify that vintage price.
I’m trying to collect both but have a lot more masterpiece because of exactly what you said. I can accept the price for masterpiece because of the size, engineering, and look. The prices people are asking for small, beat up, and honestly not-great-looking vintage figures is ridiculous.
Agree!!
Yep almost feels like you get cheated buying vintage these days
it’s because they will be worth thousands just give in 20 more years
I'm 47 and grew up during the G1 era, so the nostalgia hit is very potent for me, also finally being able to acquire G1 toys that were originally never available where I live in the UK is great and not figures for the sake of completion but stuff that I really wanted back in the day and finally have such as Predaking, the Monsterbots, Metalhawk etc. Masterpiece is awesome and the designs and engineering is for the most part awesome too and I tend to find that guys that are younger than me collect the Masterpiece line but I just love, still after all these years, the original Diaclone designs and the more abstract stuff from the latter G1 waves, with 1988 wave 5 being my fave toys and designs of all time. The beauty of collecting and being a Transformers fan is that their is something for everyone.
That is a great point some figures were not available in your area during childhood and getting them years later is so much fun
I agree. I’d get G1 for nostalgia. My mind filled in the gaps between the cartoon and toy versions. Money was also a factor. Now I can get what I want with a bigger allowance than 40 years ago.
If I do anything it will be one character for vintage and masterpiece. I also plan to get a static statue.
I like the look of Masterpiece but I’m strictly a vintage G1 collector. I have a few friends that collect masterpiece and forever upgrading to the better looking version. That I don’t like, forever chasing your tail and constantly upgrading and selling. What I enjoy about vintage G1 collecting is that it resonates with my childhood and the toys I grew up and played with, and on top of that there is a beginning and a end to G1 and I’m almost finished my G1 collection and once that is done and I’ve sold my spare figures and accessories I can just sit back and enjoy my fully displayed collection. I would hate to be constantly looking to upgrade.
Eh, I'm not constantly upgrading. My MP collection is limited to the figures from the original run product sheet(plus Reflector). The only MP I've ever bought and then swapped out was MP 10. My seekers are MP11s with a Maketoys Starscream. I do have Devy and Omega too.
Yeah, I've got a handful of characters in addition to those like Hotrod, Arcee, and Springer but I'd never upgrade any of my MPs for another version of the same character. That whole chasing the dragon thing isn't everyone is my only point. I'm not judging if it makes people happy great, but there will always be a "better" version coming. I'm more of a one and done guy.
True the vintage collection is finite and there is an end but MP will never end for good and bad
Years ago, I purchased a vintage G1 Sunstreaker amongst other TFs from someone, and was shocked with how small it was to when I remembered it. I think one piece not mentioned in this video is that MP figures often have the relative size to our adult hands as the old school figs had in our child-size hands. So am omnigonix or badcube or MP sunstreaker also tickles some nostalgic handling triggers.
With the exception of one "character"/"mold", I don't "collect" G1 vintage toys; but might pick them up if I see them for a reasonable price (like when Walmart had them clearancing in store, or a convention has something unique... like Japan/Takara/diaclone variants green ratchet and black ironhide).
The exception is the chunky monkey, 1/55 scale jetfire. As an adult, I've gotten macross renditions, takara releases, Bandai releases, KOs, colorful customs, and yes, some vintage G1s of that toy & armor. That toy was my favorite as a kid. What a satisfying *_triple-changer_*
That is a great point that as adults MP feel about the same size as G1 same as the old 3.75 figures getting remade into 6 inch scale
As someone who still has several Power Rangers figures over the years, against a few of Bandai America's Legacy Collection and Hasbro's Lightning Collection...I can't entirely agree with that. Each line has a distinct look & feel. Closest thing to any sort of consistency in mainline was the Action Hero mold that Bandai used from 2014's Power Rangers Super Megaforce to 2018's Power Rangers Super Ninja Steel...those were all the same scale and a similar look. But Legacy Collection & Lightning Collection? Those are bigger than pretty much everything before apart from the ol' skool 8" figures of the 90s.
Of course, amongst the Masterpiece sect, there DO exist some familiar feels. The Datsuns, Soundwave, Hot Rod (both MP28 & MP40), and Starsaber (from what I've seen in reviews, as I never had the Japanese G1 toy for him)...are literally the G1 toys with extra steps.
That's true about the size. When i bought a G1 Hound to replace my lost childhood one, i was shocked that he's the size of today's Legends scale!
Ironically Sunstreaker is a head taller than his twin Sideswipe. And yet Red Alert looks exactly like Sideswipe and is the same size.
I love the nostalgia of the originals. I never got my originals back from a friend’s house when I was a kid and have been kicking myself for 35 years! I have found quite a few on ebay, and still have the G2’s I got back then but even if I managed to replaced all of the G1s I had, they still would not be MY G1’s, you know? So it is a glorious time to be a collector again with the modern version we have now. The engineering and pose-ability figures have now are simply amazing. Masterpieces are a steep price range so for now I’ll stick with the retail stuff, I think. Maybe some KO’s may be worth it but I am a guy who believes in honoring the source so I don’t have any of those just yet either. The WFC versions have taken root for me and I now have more Transformers than I’ve ever had in my life🤓
Most of these points also go for the mainline retail versions and yes so many options
when i first collected the transformers back in 1984 i was so exited but only about the cars and planes..megatron sucks back then but i managed to collect all of them..but i remember wishing that they would be cartoon accurate..i waited so long since 1984 and now i am 56 yrs old..and finally getting cartoon accurate transformers..i was worth the wait!!
Yes MP is worth the wait and so great we are getting all of these characters with proper representations
I have two reasons:
1. I gave up all my GI Joes as a kid, and a few years ago decided to recreate my old collection. With TF however, I still have my vintage collection from when it wasn’t vintage at all. It’s not large, but there is nothing I am missing. Except for the rush maybe.
2. The toys mostly “sucked” in comparison to the animation rendering of the same characters. The playability, though, was usually great. G1 TF were usually robust, and were fun to transform. However, they lacked the most important thing for fans of the animation - similarity. As a child, my imagination was bridging that gap. As an adult, however, I am craving for an accurate rendition of the characters I was a fan of. This is also why some mp collectors never transform their figures - not only is the transformation process not fun on the most part, but the very thought of damaging the figure in any way, causes more anxiety than the potential joy of handling the alternate mode. With that said, I would never buy a transformer that doesn’t transform. Go figure.
Well put and a great way to explain modern collecting
I’m a masterpiece collector, but I made a exception for G1 Optimus Prime because of how iconic the figure is. I had to get it and don’t regret it!
I still have my Takara New Year's Convoy reissue for the same reason, though I sold off all of my (Takara book style) G1 reissues stupidly, ugh, I am such a dumb dumb....
True Prime is so iconic and fun to have a G1
I stopped collecting G1 in the early 2000s. Did not get into the MP/3P scene until about 2016. To me it's not about the price. Rather there's just no point in collecting old, broken down, badly aged toys from 40 years ago that barely represent the characters I grew up loving. When I was a kid my imagination was able to do the job of making them look like Transformers. As an adult it just doesn't work that way anymore. I love my MPs and my 3P stuff. I love that it looks so much like the animation models. I love the sheer ingenuity of some of the engineering. I love that I can use them to create beautiful dioramas that look like they came straight out of the show or the movie. Most of my G1 stuff is in storage, and I suspect most of it will stay there for the rest of my life. Occasionally I'll go and open some boxes, and just spend some time reminiscing about when I got them (mostly from my parents, grandmother, and brother). I'll never get rid of them, but to me they're mementos of a better time in my life and of people I loved who are no longer there, rather than a collection. I have no nostalgia for G1 Transformers in general; the only thing I have nostalgia for are the G1 Transformers I actually own because they have memories attached to them of people I miss dearly.
Ha old broken down badly aged toys! The modern versions blow away vintage but there is that nostalgia factor
As someone who offered to sort and catalog the vast collection of a friend who passed, I've concluded that the main reason for collecting G1 figures is the nostalgia of having the toys more than any nostalgia for the IP. Part of it might be trying to recapture a lost childhood in which the person either lost their original or was never able to get one back then and they're making up for lost time. Or maybe they're just trying to relive those happy times when they got super excited after getting a certain figure. Or bring back memories of a simpler time. Or maybe they're really into the history of the IP and want to own a piece of that history.
There are a lot of great reasons to collect vintage but with all the modern versions they are relics of an time long gone
DS Ikonz just did a reaction on this vid. I thought it was cool as follow both of you and we still look at your older vids. Keep up the good work that spark good convos. Peace ✌️
I collect masterpiece and both G1, mint in package...bootlegs from China on ebay. If you are leaving them sealed, they completely look the part, fulfill the want and pass as originals. And they're, in comparison, very affordable. My bootleg G1 collection, if it were real, would be worth thousands. It's a nice illusion.
Those still bring back all the good feels from back in the day! Love those bootlegs they make the impossible affordable
I collect both, but for my G1 collection I'm having to buy mostly reissues because I need that, MIB, brand new feel. I think the child in me is excited for both for different reasons. MPs are exactly what I wanted as a child, a screen accurate multiposable figure. When I open the MP boxes, the excitement bubbles up inside of me and I can't stop looking at the figure. I can't believe I have an exact representation of a character I love. Where as when I get a G1 figure, It's more a feeling of satisfaction and closure, as I now have something I wanted as a child. Though that said, when I managed to track down a MIB G1 Sideswipe, I had the same feeling as when I open an MP figures.
True if you collect G1 and stop to collect MP it feels good to go back and fill holes years later
Spot on. This is exactly how I feel
I am all in on masterpiece scale...but I collect Vintage only in MISB OR AFA Graded for the time capsule effect.. That is the only thing that can replicate that feeling of walking into Toys "R" Us in 1985 and seeing Transformers stacked to the ceiling.
But opened, I want masterpiece for a close as toon replication to get the feeling of jumping right out of the sunbow cartoon.
True nothing replaces that feeling of seeing Grimlock or Prime on the shelf back in the day
As a kid of the 80s, I had many of the G1 Transformers. My friend also had quite a few, and his Mom also kept the boxes and inserts. I sold mine looking to make some money to fix my car, to this day I regret that decision. Now, I COLLECT MP scale. Why? Because many of them bring back sweet memories for me, the Articulation and pose ability is SUPERIOR as well as the Price, for most not all of them, tend to be significantly cheaper than a complete, decent to good condition G1 with box and inserts etc.
These days, I simply buy a KO of a G1, or wait for Hasbro TT to release a reprint.
Yep the MP can bring back memories and the more positive ones related to the show!
I collect both, but have slowed down on both fronts. I used to be all in on MP, but was pretty disenchanted by the overengineering and the necessity of watching a video tutorial to go from one form to the other. I would really like to see a 3rd party G1 style engineering bot. I know there were a few of those about 10 years ago from Impossible Toys, but I haven't seen anything like them since. I prefer that old chunky G1 era aesthetic at the end of the day, and this is coming from someone who has most FansToys & Transform Element / DS releases.
Yep a simplified transformation would be best even for MP but now they are in the best of both modes battle and equals crazy transformations
I started collecting MPMs (Bayverse) about 5 years ago and only now do I start to realize the value of vintage g1 figures. They represent a different era, different priorities, different technologies and a different economy. Sure they aren't as "exciting" as the new, super accurate, complex MP figures, but they weren't trying to be. They came from diaclone and evolved to what they are now. Look at the robosen figures, that's probably the future (next 40 years) Even Takara now is doing missing link which brings the missing articulation link to vintage G1 figures.
You nailed it across the board. For me, I didn't collect anything until I discovered MP/3P. I do have a few G1 characters but had those years before. MP scale and design is what I always wanted and never looked back.
It sure is fun to have your figures from back in the day but MP is where it is today
I never collected G1 but I did masterpiece for about ~7 years. About a year ago I started getting out of it because I don't like the toon look and FT was getting hard to buy. I'm now all in on legends and loving it. They fit what I want a lot more: fun transformations. Now I'm stuck with having to sell 25 masterpiece figures and it is a hassle
Yep selling can be a hassle and even harder if they are older designs when newer ones come out to compete with your figures
I collected G1's in the late 90's out of nostalgia but sold them all in the early 2000's when I realized most of them just looked awful. Engineering and scale wise they are just a mess. many barely resemble their cartoon counterparts. You overlook that as a kid but as an adult it just starts to bother you. I'm glad that now we have MP's and legends figures that closely resemble the cartoon and that are way more posable.
The cartoon isn't much different actually. You could make a whole episode on the G1 cartoon. As a kid it was my favorite cartoon but watching it now I just notice how all over the place the storytelling is and how many visual mistakes were made.
Yep the G1 figures were not great but we had to use imagination to fill that gap no need for that with MP! True the show has issues that could be discussed
Having watched all the terrible Japanese TF cartoons between Beast Machines and Animated made me appreciate all the good parts of the original show and overlook the mistakes. Except for "Carnage in C-Minor", that episode was an abomination even without the visual errors.
I totally agree. I've been criticized before by so-called hardcore fans stating that I'm not a true fan because I don't have an appreciation for the older toys and the cartoon. 🙄 I give the cartoon and those older toys credit where they are due. They instilled my love for the characters to this day but they have not aged well.
Speaking of the cartoon - Even as a kid I noticed that the animation was great for the first 3 episodes but they started slowly decreasing in quality as the episodes went on. But even as a kid, each new episode was was like a half hour movie to me. I recorded each episode on VHS then watched it several times during the week until the next episode was on.
I am SO glad that the original movie still holds up in animation quality, voice acting, dialogue, and plot. I tried to go back and watch the G1 series (and still occasionally on Hasbro Pulse), but it's a dog's breakfast. I love my memories of it and childhood fascination with Transformers, but like a lot of things, I prefer the remake over the original. It also preferred the 2002 He-Man, 2011 Thundercats, and G.I. Joe: Resolute.
That is exactly why I don't collect G1. I have all my figures from childhood, they are important to me, and are displayed, but I don't have the desire to get anymore now that MP style exists. Thanks for the video. Very enjoyable conversation.
It is good you still have your original figures but yes collecting ones you did not have is not as exciting for most
I still collect G1. Several duplicates. Nostalgic purposes. The box, box art, the toy, the memories, the whole experience.
Don’t believe I’ll ever stop collecting G1 or G1 MP
That can be satisfying to finally get every piece made and start looking for variants
Yes yes😎
My roots come from G1…
New Masterpiece Scale is my passion.
But, I never forget where it all started.
It’s all art & I’m never going to get over it.
Much needed, yet responsible addiction.
✨🤖✨
Yes both are fun for different reasons and true G1 are the roots of Transformers
I collect both, but I don't have the room to display both, so I'm prioritizing Masterpieces for the time being.
Also not where you get yours but in Pa there atleast 150 dollars i have Grimlock Optimus prime Soundwave Acid storm most of the Toys R us exclusives.
I sure miss those TRU exclusives back in the day
I collect MP for display, and G1 for nostalgia and actually transforming.
Wouldn't call myself a collector, but I recently started picking up, MP scale figures from various 3rd party companies.
Only official MP I have is MP-29. For me it's what I remember from childhood, the somewhat smooth and stylized looks from the cartoons. And the fact that there are so many options you can get in terms of price, quality, etc... gives that feeling we all had back in the day of, "NEW TOYS!!"
Yes it is exciting to get something new vs rehashing the past
G1 all the way for me. That's where it all started. They're more simple and fun to transform, they have the nostalgia factor me, and I love the feeling of grabbing those last few figures (original or reissue) to complete my collection that's been building since I was a kid. I also prefer the big chunky look when it comes to Transformers. Granted, some of them didn't look great in robot mode, but in the 80's they were making simple toys for kids, not complex ones for adults, so I don't critique G1 too heavily for that.
The MP line is really nice though. I have a couple and they look great in my display case. I appreciate how accurate they are to the comic and cartoon. I think it's great that MP exists, but for me I'm a die hard G1 guy, warts and all. Plus, once I finish my G1 collection (it's almost there), I'm done. I won't have to be constantly chasing new releases or upgrading anything. I'll buy the occasional MP if I really love it, but I have no desire to complete a MP collection.
I started my collection at the beginning of the COVID era. I choose specifically MP scale. I chose this because I wanted figures that looked as much like the cartoon that I loved so much as a kid.
Mainline is good legends are great but MP still is the best!
I've thought about this.... I don't collect G1 However I have G1 Prime, G1 Magnus, Powermaster Prime and that's about it. As a kid G1 transformers were amazing, they looked so real. I chalk this up to my imagination as a child that i just don't have as an adult. I look at G1 now and see them as they are, leftovers from another show that don't look like anything I remember them as. Now we enter Masterpiece. These are how I saw transformers as a kid. So REAL, so perfect! These make me feel like a kid again. They look exactly as they did on screen if not better. Both modes are outstanding. The nostalgia factor is raised to 💯. We all have that 1 G1 that was our go too. But G1 hasn't aged well physically and in our minds.
True G1 has not aged very well and they were mostly leftover from other lines
What I want to see is a modern take on G1 vintage toys like better articulation, paint, head sculpt and packaging.
Like MOTU Origin for MOTU vintage... Same aspect but fully articulated.
That is what Deformation Space Blaster seemed to be
@hotrod2391… your wish is granted. I got them to make an updated G1 Optimus Prime for you. It’s taken me two years to get it done after reading your comment…but. Mission accomplished. Till all are one my friend.
Original Transformers are pieces of time that some of us appreciate and like to preserve. I collect from many generations but always focused on G1, because of course, I grew up with it.
Nothing will ever be the same as G1. What you see today, is because of G1. I never cared about posability or stuff like that as a kid. I cared about the figure and the concept, the rest was done by my mind and imagination. With this I am not underestimating the current figures, I am just saying that they should be seen with different approaches.
I'm a mainline collector, but I still collect a few Masterpiece and KO G1 toys of certain characters that stand out for me for one or another reason.
The Masterpiece figures look more like collectible figures. They have presence and they have bling and they have great sculptwork.
But there still is something to the simplistic transformations and the box artwork and the "evergreen" look of the G1 toys that can never be replicated with Masterpiece figures or even those Newage toy deco figures.
True G1 boxart is classic and the best ever!!!
@@tydiriumhanger1320 True that. It's more than nostalgia or the lingering magical feeling of getting a Transformer for Christmas and enjoying every aspect of it. There was something about the combination of that purple of orange grid, the character art, the sight of the toy in alt mode behind its plastic screen, the tech specs at the back and the space battle that was just right.
This was exactly my progression. G1 then I discovered masterpiece. That slowed then I discovered 3rd part. I just can't get back into G1. I do love the toy recolors for masterpiece
The fun is coming full circle with those repaints
I have a few vintage pieces in my collection but my target is definitely masterpiece right now and I’m picking up every toon version of the transformers cast season 1-3…😉
That is how you do it but it sure is fun to show a G1 version in a review
..........i had G1 re-issued Optimus, but because of my parent's cult i didn't have many other toys that weren't from garage sales. As an adult, i am collecting MP to 1) "get back into it" and 2) for retail therapy ;D oh and 3) MP feels more "adult" like a mature = respectable toy or something..................
I'm collecting Hasbro Mainline Transformers Generations only, mostly WFC. They aren't as detailed as Masterpiece and some really need third party addons to look more G1 but they are affordable and mostly in scale with eachother.
I have a few G1s like Optimus Prime and Bumblebee and KO MP Soundwave, Cassettes and Prowl.
The MP cassettes and Megatron Soundwave pack-in are displayed with WFC.
As a kid it was a matter of what was available at that time what we were able to buy/get. Unfortunately the toy makers decided to release "plain" stuff which is what we're nostalgic for because that's what we had. Better sculpts were available (looking at model kits) but not used because toys were for kids anyway. It all changed with Mcfarlane in the 90s.
Most of this can be translated to mainline because Hasbro and Takara have done such great work the past few years
I'm a G1 collector and a MP collector but so far my G1's definitely out number my Mp's. I was introduced to transformers in 1992 or 1993 my introduction was the movie and I fell in love and during that time G2 was going on and because of those toys they make me want the original thing. As of today I own about 50 G1 toys, 7 G2 including Electro who is gold plate syndrome who is stuck in truck mode and looks good just like it is, 15 Mp and a lot of random from different lines. I really get my fix when I get a Autograph from a voice actor.
That is a cool way to collect did you get the autograph of Galvatron before Nimoy Passed?
No I have not the only I gotten 2 Autographs of voice actors who have passed those are Jack Angel and Stephen Keener. From them I got Omega supreme, ASTRO train loose in box , Scropinox and reissue Fortmax Autograph
I still have my originals. They are at my parents' house, and my son likes to play with them, but I rarely even look at them. Years ago, I tried to find a G1 Sideswipe reissue or whatever. I'd always wanted him. All I could find were figures upwards of $100 on ebay. Nope. Screw that. Then I discovered MP and the rest was history. I hate dealing with vintage or even pre-owned stuff. Buying OR selling. I don't have the patience for it. I can't stomach the markup. It just doesn't compute in my head. I collect figures that make me happy. Not ones I can sell later and cash in.
G1 sideswipe is a great example of a vintage figure that is terrible vs MP and you do get way more value for the MP
I had every G1 from 84-91 all complete and mostly mint condition. Sold them all and bought a new car, best decision I made. Kept on with the MP line.
That is the reason my friend sold his G1 collection also!
Mike I've been collecting for quite a few years.Transformers are usually a car ,jet so on and so forth. So I kind of got away from it for a little while and went down the rabbit hole with mezco figures. have a good weekend buddy.
Good point that Mezco is like MP of action figures
As a kid, I had a few G1 Transformers - Jetfire, Superion, Shockwave, the insecticons. But most of the G1 stuff was either too ugly or too expensive, so I got into GI Joe instead. But I always loved the G1 Transformers characters and cartoon. My brother and I even made a simple D&D style RPG with those original Autobots and Decepticons. Then we created some of our own Transformers in our imagination to be a part of that game we created.
Having bought a few G1 Transformers as an adult collector (e.g. Predaking, whom I couldn't afford as a child), they never pulled me all the way in. But MP Transformers finally scratched that itch. I've been collecting them now for the last two years and am having a great time.
Yep collecting Transformers was surely a hit and miss from figure to figure but we had to use imagination like you did
When i was a kid i loved transformers. But almost always was disappointed with their articulation and inability to really play with them like i wanted to. It didnt stop me from buying them but it was always a thing i realized with each figure. There were a few exceptions. The generations toy line came around and it finally gave me what i wanted from transformers.
I dont need to spend masterpiece collection prices or g1 prices to get what i wanted from transformer figures.
this specifically is why I have such high hopes for legacy and relative ripples
I'm from a bit later, but a son of GiG, which means I got exposed to everything but the commercial from pre-G1 to Rid like I lived at the time.
there are many figure that still holds as a collector piece, but not really as a "toy to play with" that has not been touched since the great G1 revival, and the new interest can only be good for them
take Armada Sideways, that's basicaly how the charather has been defined by the fandom, and his original toy was eccelence for the time, he's worth of with modern engieneering or even MP treatment, but since he's not G1, I don't think that's even been a third part for him, while we are drowning under other charathers
The only problem arrives when a figure you want or need is expensive as hell on this secondary market, like the Earthrise ironhide is more expensive than the masterpiece. I'm definitely feeling this trying to finish my 1984 year characters for WFC
Hasbro makes great figures now and most of these points are why Mainline collectors do not go after G1
I got back into collecting years ago by getting a reissue Soundwave. Then I got a few other figures I'd always wanted. But then I discovered Classics and lost interest in G1 figures because new figures are more interesting to transform and they're poseable.
True the newer figures are way more interesting than vintage but those original figures do draw so many collectors into modern collecting
Interesting video and I might use it for conversation on FB group I'm on. I enjoyed reading others' comments on what they do for their TF collection. We all do things differently. I am TF collector and I have only couple of MPs of characters that are important and loved by me. To me they are that tad bit too complex for me and I prefer the store bought Hasbro toys which to me look awesome and capture everything I want of the toy and character. MPs are beautiful rendition of their old cartoon selves. I also have original G1 toys. I agree with others' comments about what they sell for even an old wreck which is "huh" moment. I would never sell off my original G1s and I'm still slowly buying original like once year I'll get couple I don't have. I figure with the prices and the thrill of the hunt, I'm in no hurry to get original. Took me years to get original Springer at toy show.
I don't know anyone who has collected all TF G1 releases. But there's no point in doing so now that 3rd parties are doing a better job of creating molds that are more accurate to the character.
Star wars, Gijoe and Transformers are too big to get 100% without a serious commitment but MP can be a pick and choose since there really is no end
I collect some G1 but only select characters. There's just so much derpy stuff about the original toys that I could overlook as a kid but not as an adult.
True as kids we knew how bad they were but overlooked them because of excitement for the show
Masterpiece are way too expensive considering i can buy a combiner wars Bruticus that looks great or a titan size for the same price i own some of the masterpieces but lucked out and only paid 15 dollars like Blitzwing best in my opinion is the animated. But everyone has there opinions Universe was my Masterpieces when you look at detail and they where less than 20 dollars a piece i also stay away from repaints if i can:)
Yes MP can be expensive and there are cheaper alternatives
For me my G1 and even G2 collection is in a mystery state, basically I still have stuff with my parents and we haven't found the box they reside with and the search for that box always gets side tracked when ever I want to go through my old stuff to see what I want to go on the collector market or sell as mixed parts, that said I hope they didn't go the same way as my Dino Riders collection, buried in the backyard of my cousin's house where they still are digging up pieces of it (that collection did include the brachiosaurus). My heart is no longer in it and keeping my older collection for the newer generation of my family will break my heart for I know most of them won't value the collection beyond that of been a toy even when it reaches antic status. If I find the box, I'll have my fun photographing it, make a few stop motions and between the 45th and 50th anniversary find a home for them. If I reach my 70th birthday I'll more than likely be doing the same with the rest of the collectables I have gotten in my adult life.
Yes future generations will not value these the same as we did but that is how it goes
Beautifully-engineered, cartoon-accurate toys vs. G1? Yeah... I still have a lot of my original G1 toys, but I've still taken to collecting newer figures now. My jam is the original movie, so for example, I still have my original Kup but I've also picked up Generations Sgt. Kup because it's a better, cooler, more posable figure and I like that it transforms into something that looks like an actual truck. Same with my Energon Rodimus. The latter actually looks like a real truck and not a "futuristic" Winnebago.
I only collect MP these days. I just don't have the space or money to double dip into other lines. 😔
Collected TFC Ehobby and Encore a decade ago. Had to sell them over moving and other bills.
Cool you can have the best of both worlds with MP these days
i only had a few vintage G1 as a kid..couldnt afford them. so i feel no need to collect what i never had for nostalgia....i collect the masterpiece which is way way better in everyway
I collect Masterpiece, orginal G1, current mainline, and a few legends. It depends on what holes I'm trying to fill. For example: I'm still looking for a G1 trailbreaker and my Season 1 G1 Transformers as complete! However, I like the chug scale the most. Legends are for mass-shifted robots like Megatron or Blaster. I only collect Masterpiece if it's a characters I really really like! I'm not going to get an MP Huffer or Reflector any time soon. I have representation on my shelf so I'm good. That's how I'm able to balancing things out so my wife doesn't kille me! lol
Impressive you have most of the G1 lineup they are getting harder and harder to track down
I have my vintage. Both the Joes and TFs. I am collecting the classified and FTs. If it’s not made yet. I’ll get a KO HasTak. Keep it in vehicle mode if I already got a Ft.
Great idea Vintage in vehicle MP in bot
I have an original Jetfire in nice condition because he's my favorite G1 toy and I'm a big Macross fan too. I do have several reissues like the flip-open cover boxed figures that Takara released with the Pat Lee artwork. I love those mainly because of the boxes. I also picked up a couple Encore Fort Maxs. The only Walmart reissue I have is Blaster. I wouldn't mind picking up more but the Walmart releases tend to be overpriced until they are clearanced and they haven't put out any figures I really want. I also feel most G1 toys haven't aged well at all. MP options offer much better representations of those characters and I'd rather put funds to getting MP versions.
Walmart ending those reissues is another sign that there is waning interest in vintage
@@tydiriumhanger1320 They need to release better ones like all the car bots but I don't know if there would be a licensing problem because of the fact they are based on real cars.
I’ve been collecting the toy decos in legends scale. The MP I collect I purchase for the toon look.
Both scales are great and going for the same thing but in different size
I do try to collect both. The issue with vintage is the ridiculous prices and so few have all the parts any more. Take Horri-Bull for example. Almost always broken, and if he's not, he's really expensive. Or Mirage. The waist is almost always broken. So, I bought the knock-off Mirage. I get to have the enjoyment of transforming an original-looking figure and have all the parts and relatively good condition stickers. MP, I'd like to collect more but the trend is towards the low-detail cartoon look which is not that great.
Yes another issues with G1 is that they do break and less are available in good condition
Still collect G1..never eBay are on line ..I want deal with the seller face to face when dealing with G1 Luckily I know a couple reputable people and give me good deals and not scalper prices.just picked up a 100% complete Menosor for 100..I buy lots of 3rd party..Iron Factory,Newage,Planet X and a few others..I don't care about scale or being a completionst..I haven't purchased mainline in almost 2 years..
I had all my original G1 figures, but once a good MP comes out I replace them and sell my G1s. Some G1 figs even as a kid I didn't like because they didn't look anything like the cartoon. Likely I'll always have some of each, such as my dedicated G1 Pretender shelf. I don't think we'll ever see MPs of those.
True we will have to go to Super 7 for pretenders LOL
I find it strange when people say that they aren’t into collecting…
And then You see their response, as they lay their eyes on what You have on the shelves:
✨😳⭐️😮🌟🫢💫‼️✨
@ that time, You could almost look into their souls (& I’m not even bragging).
PRICELESS ✨🤖✨‼️
Most people that do not collect will appreciate a proper collection that is well displayed even if they have no intention of buying any
Yes, G1vintage prices are ridiculous, but the knockoffs are amazing.
Vintage G1 toys are precious.
SOOOO precious!
I have a few G1 bots. Some are my originals and I have bought over they years. I've never wanted a full collection just certain characters and redecos. MP is cool I have quite a few of those too.
Yep it is good to have some G1 to remember the simpler time
The problem I have with masterpiece is that they are seriously being scalped on ebay , people are asking for more than what a Hot Toys is worth . The scale and quality doesn't command the price people charge.
Price is due to lack of supply right now even with out high demand. That may change down the road
Im it to the masterpiece, i love how they look and there a lot of fun. Id looked into the original g1. But was largely put off for the price. Stuff thats out there even partly busted ive seen with just crazy mark ups. Still looking forward to whats to come with all masterpiece fugures.
Funny how cheap they were decades ago when I collected and should have competed them back then vs these inflated prices today
I like the quirkiness of the originals and the die-cast metal, the fact the scales are weird, they look compromised by their alt modes, they are awkward, fat, skinny, tall, short, I am not so keen on the modern versions that just look like average size and height people in costumes, the originals look like weird alien robots, I much prefer the original faces of Brawn and Bumblebee, Rachet and Ironhide.
On the flip side of all that I recently completed my G1 Autobots from 1984 and then stuck almost all of them on eBay, I'm 43 and it just feels weird having them all staring at me. I kept some of the very first ones I got as a child, but having them all on display at this time in my life left me cold.
There is some merit to the vintage figures but modern is so updated
I still collect both but since i have damn near ever g1 fig i mostly have switched to masterpiece only.....ill still pick up g1 stuff here and there norm its the few that i dont have or the accessories im missing for them although i got and had most of my g1s before the bayverse came out and before the g1 prices got crazy......but its getting the price of masterpiece is getting outta hand
Mp prices will settle down with sales and lower demand for many reasons
I despise G1 Transformers toys. I had a huge collection of them, sold them off about 12 years ago and I was happy to do it. If someone offered me a complete G1 Transformers collection under the condition I display and never sell them I'd say no thanks.
I don't think any less of G1 collectors. If I walked in someone's house and they had cabinets full of vintage toys I would find it cool, for them. Not for me though. I played with them as a kid and always thought, "I really like these, but they $uck". The current Mainline is what I always wished G1 had been, that's why I enjoy it so much!
True Hasbro is doing great work these days and fills a g1 display well
G1, MP, and Legends scale 3P for life.
Those are the best representations
One character i really want is G1 Hound mine first autobot deluxe i got mine first Decepticon Blitzwing several months ago
So much fun getting those favorites again
@@tydiriumhanger1320 👍 yep
I keep my G1 vintage in alt mode and display them next to there MP bot mode Im missing two plus all the city bots to complete my collection
That makes for a great collection you should send in pic for the next collection special
I only collect MP. I didnt grow up in the 80s so I have no nostalgia for G1. I think the MPs are the definitive versions so I dont bother with any other line for G1 characters.
Totally agree with you!!
Glad you enjoyed
I know what you mean i prefer detail before vintage in mine transformers collection i have a few vintage but the bulk of my collection is modern
It is always fun to compare new figures to vintage and I try to in most vids
Personally I’m 22 right so I have no nostalgic connection to the vintage figures. I started my collection with figures from animated and prime which were the series I grew up with and never liked the g1 aesthetic but the fanstoys grimlock looked cool enough so I bought it and was intensely impressed by the quality of it and so I now collect masterpiece style stuff (cartoon and movie as I also grew up with the movies). That’s personally why I don’t collect vintage to me the toys look like complete doodoo lol
I can see the frustration of non G1 collectors getting only a few releases for their eras represented
@@tydiriumhanger1320 definitely I'd love to see some of these 3rd parties to tackle animated (arguably the best transformers cartoon) and more prime (which apc has been doing a pretty excellent job representing that)
Not sure why a collector wouldn't collect the G1 Jetfire because it being a Robotic Veritech Fighter.
That has to be one of the best G1 figures made
I'm an 80's kid and I was there for the 80's line debut. 9 year old me outgrew those toys. Most never came close to matching the animation model and that bothered me a whole lot. Stunticons, Aerialbots, Combaticons, Constructions, Brawn, the list goes on and on...were horrible figures.
True the toys did not match and that bothered me but I got a kick out of the few that did like Perceptor, Shockwave, Soundwave and Swoop to a point
Today's figures are made the way I wish they were back then. But I can't bring myself to buy 3rd party stuff.
3p is doing some of the best work
I collect both G1 and masterpiece
Both fun for different reasons
Like the video but the price for MP no and the same for G1 no sorry not worth it. As for me I collected classic line and universe line. I did pick up Soundwave walmart reissue but got it on clearance and the 4 tape all for 50.00.
Wlamart was making these more affordable but the demand was not there
What’s that Drake meme? G1 Megatron: Robot form - 😒; G1 Megatron: Gun form - 😃
The G1 focused on perfect alt modes not bot modes
@@tydiriumhanger1320 That sounds about right. You should do a top ten ‘Coolest vehicle modes with the lamest robot modes”. Let’s see ya got SunStreaker, uhhh… Brawn, definitely the van bros Ratchet and Ironhide, definitely some of the worst of the bunch.
Masterpiece Transformers simply looks way better than the vintage ones in my honest opinion.
And Masterpiece and the current mainline Transformers are easy to pose as well and are accurate to the cartoon vintage not so much and it is outdated but hey to each it's own😊 and don't get me wrong i don't hate vintage Transformers.
Other than that a great video keep it up👍
Yep but there is still some nostalgia for the old outdated bricks but MP rocks
the main Reason is simple, Cartoon Accuracy, most MP collectors are looking to have something that is straight up from the cartoon, G1 toys were always a disapoint in that regard because they didnt look like the cartoon at all, theres a reason cartoon accuracy is all the boom with MP designs now, beacause thats what most Mp collectors want
So true and I always wondered why the toys were so far off from the toon
@@tydiriumhanger1320 making actual characters that look exactly as the toys was kinda imposible if not only due to how awkward the toys are but how difficult would be to animate, think about hoist and how weird he looks compared to the more season 1 streamlined animation models, he didn't have the most dynamic poses during the cartoon for the same reason, its so hard to make something fluid with something so clunky
I have three G1 transformers I have rodimus prime and the trailer I have Huffer the bluish purple semi and I have Unicron the planet I paid around five bucks for all three of them
Those deals make G1 collecting fun
I just saw a pic of vintage G1 Tatchet and nope.
LOL you had to pick one of the worst examples
Oh i.though the.new trend is legends...
It is a new trend but MP is still going strong
Vintage G1 rules aways!!!!!
That is where it all started
I'm g1 for life. in my opinion all others r copycats. plus my 8 old son and I play with g1 transformers. I couldn't imagine my son transformering the new ones they take 10 to 30 minutes to transform. the g1 r more simple that's what's awesome bout them. kids can play with them. all the news one in my opinion r mainly for collector's to put on shelves
Because I've done it already
Been there done that I know what you mean
I'm not into TF action figures collecting because I love the Cartoon, even though I liked it when I was a kid, I'm into it because I love action figures and TF action figures per se.
I have 38 G1 Transformer toys because I kept them since I was a kid but most of them, if not all, aren't that good at least not as TF action figures so I have no interest whatsoever in collecting G1 TF toys.
Cool you still have so many from your childhood
Because they suck, that's why.
Seriously, I am collecting Masterpiece scaled Transformers figures precisely because how little most of the Generation 1 figures resemble their on-screen counterparts. The closest option for a perfect representation of that is what I seek. Also, another reason I loathe G1 figures is how little articulation they have, even though I never even require a huge amount of it from the figures that I am collecting. So believe me, Tydirium hanger, that I do not find myself with one character that I want to go back and get.
Which G1 character do you want to go back and pick up?
@@tydiriumhanger1320 As I wrote, none. "Going back" is not even possible for me, since I have never had a G1 toy.
Excuse imo if you want g1 80s-90s its all Earthrise/War for cybertron and Kingdom wfc legacy beast wars hell ya! Masterpiece too expensive now. Earthrise Prime is just Prime till all are one ;-)
There are ways to make MP more affordable but Mainline is the best value
i collect g1 not mp
What???? Most dont collect vintage 😯😯😯
There is no feeling in collecting, than holding a mint G1 optimus prime in it box...
Like that sound when you open up a treasure box in zelda🎶🎵🎶🎵
Ask any of your favorite Transformer RUclipsrs and they will say they collect something modern not vintage
@@tydiriumhanger1320
I collect G1 for the nostalgia. Well used to since my collection is complete.
So i started with masterpiece.
But i value my G1 more.
Jetfire was not jetfire. Being a macross fan jetfire g1 toy was a rip off from macross, while watching the cartoon it was also totally different. The transformers fan base might think different.
You need to remember, transformers cartoon were made based on toys made.
A younger generation love transformers seige but I hate the line.
Roadbuster and whirl were from dorvack
Some people say g1 cartoon are lazy drawing, they don’t appreciate the age of the cartoon.
I can’t get along well with my friend for that matter. We have arguments over the current raiden by moon studio and Takara.
I don't like vintage G1 toys, I don't like modern toys painted and styled to look G1, and I'm especially sick of the phrase "G1" itself.
Give me modern engineering that looks like a modern robot and a realistic vehicle any day.
The problem is if they make a modern take on a car not based on media it does not sell enough to be profitable
@@tydiriumhanger1320 that may be true, but there are other transformers media besides generation 1. Beast wars, idn comics, universe, and whatever new cartoon comics Hasbro comes up with should be based on modern aesthetics, in my humble opinion.
Defiantly a VERY opinion driven video trying to state opinion as fact.
I collect both vintage and MP. They are different things. Your opinion that MP is the seeking of perfection is, in my opinion, misplaced and never the intention of the line. The intent by interviews with Takara designers was to evoke nostalgia. Not seek perfection. On the other hand, vintage is perfection for what it is because it is not trying to replicate anything. MP is an attempt to replicate a very poorly drawn, ridiculously inconsistent cartoon and frankly, very bad cartoon. There IS no such thing as perfection in MP because every episode, something was different. Either scale or color or proportion or in a few cases completely different appearance. EX: Broadside. Your opinion is also VERY weighted toward the cartoon and has no consideration of the source material. The vintage toys. Just pointing out. Not trying to start a debate.
For myself and many others, we had the toys WAY before the cartoon ever aired as the toys came out months ahead of the show nation wide. When Transformers came out, myself and all my friends and school mates all had the toys months before the show aired. Everyone I knew was like, "why does the cartoon look wrong". We all knew that Frenzy was Blue and Rumble was Red and that the cartoon was a mistake (proven in interviews and documents from old Sunbow, BTW). Even the character TechSpec profiles were different in the cartoon a lot of the time. The cartoon was meaningless except for character context and story plot. It was and still is for me, having the toy in hand that makes it real. That is what I care about. I collect both because I appreciate the vintage from my childhood and I appreciate the engineering and updated aesthetics of modern. I think there are more collectors that collect both than you think. I really think people whom collect both are in the majority. :) I'd say if there is anything holding anyone back on vintage, it is not that they think they "don't look good" or "are not perfection" or the like. I think it is the dwindling availability. Hasbro/Takara aren't doing reissues all that much anymore and the so called "reissues" (KO's) are getting harder to find too. Finding actual vintage in any decent state of condition is getting very difficult and usually ends up being a bit of a project to find missing parts or conduct repairs or restoration. This all drives up prices... which is a secondary effect... I digress.
I will say that while the modern MP may "look" better and "articulate" better, they are usually so complicated that they are devoid of any real fun. I much prefer the fun and fidget factor of the vintage and am much more excited to acquire a new vintage piece than a new MP. I value MP for what it is and I value vintage for what it is.
Great points! This vid is a summary of feedback I have read over the years and some points I agree with some not. There are benefits of collecting Vintage an MP both and for different reasons
Yes i doubt anyone collects G1 based on their looks😅😅😅..
Its all about nostalgia 😎
Because G1 toys are shitty, old and clunky... I am not falling for the nostalgia charm. Loved them as a kid, ignore them as an adult.
What those old bricks LOL
I have most of season one and two of vintage. Honestly masterpiece gives me that representation that I always imagined them to be in my head when I was a child. So for that reason I stopped with vintage and sunk all of my money into the masterpiece game. Plus like you discuss I can't justify that vintage price.
Yes the MP is what I pictured G1 figures to look like also but seems like 30 year devious plan to resell the toys again down the road LOL