1971 my last day in Vietnam was called in to MACV HQ to meet General Fred C Weyand last Commanding General in S VN. He thanked me for my service, said Son it's a very complex situation out movedfriend
It's a real honor sir, that a true war veteran is leaving a comment on my channel! I was born in 1981, so one could say that I know nothing about this topic as a snotty little kid which only heard about this by the word of mouth tradition or rather watched some Vietnam war movies. Thank you once again for your input, sir! God bless! Hope you returned well and unharmed home. I know many didn't have so much luck to return home and tell about it or are now maimed, living on the streets in the US.
@@Mantisman27 No worries. The subtitles, which are pretty good for most of this movie, have him saying Alemay Akefay, when he actually says Other May Ucker Fay, which is Pig Latin for Mother Fucker, a classic moment in the film.
Thanks to a Vietnam War historian for rating this one as very accurate. Nice touches like the guy picking up the Major's cigar and dude pouring Jack Daniels in his canteen.
Stationed in Frankfurt in 1984, my First Sergeant was a Vietnam vet who served in a Cavalry unit in 1968-69. One day he and I were talking and he said that, without a doubt, Go Tell the Spartans was the best film about the war.
"Go Tell the Spartans" has always been my favorite movie on the Vietnam War as it is the most factually based film on the Vietnam War and it is set during the U.S. military-advisory stage of the war between 1961 & '64. The movie is bssed on the novel _Incident at Muc Wa_ by Daniel Ford which was a fictionalized account of an actual event or series of events in So. Vietnam which was covered by Ford when he was a correspondent in So. Vietnam in 1964. Ford's 1964 dispatches from So. Vietnam appeared in the magazine "The Nation" and he was awarded the Stern Fund Magazine Writers' Award for them. Having Burt Lancaster in this movie, too, is of course a great asset.
Terrific and stunning HD. Never seen Burt Lancaster in a bad film, some of his best: Lawman*, Valdez is Coming*, Ulzana’s Raid*, Vera Cruz, Airport, Gunfight at the Ok Corral, The Professionals, Twilight’s Last Gleaming, Zulu Dawn. *These are violent westerns 1971/72 and normally censored, particularly Ulzana’s Raid, but I have German Releases, FSK label, with original English dialogue which are uncut and worth getting hold of.
Haven't seen this movie in a number of years. Pleasure to watch it again. Really brings out the human side of war with all its brutality. Having a strong interest in the Battle of Thermopylae, I can see the theme of sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds portrayed well by the main characters.
Siskell and Ebert gave this film two thumbs up. It was a neglected treasure they said. Watching it today, the sets and uniforms are so similar to the MASH TV comedy show that you have to readjust and quit expecting Hawkeye, Klinger and the cliched sentimentalized canned laughter to suddenly appear. This is a 'serious" film and not propaganda. Maybe more real than Full Metal Jacket, which was more "dramatic".
Terrific casting and dialog great portrayal of the different types of characters who served. I encountered many when I did in '71. Slovakia, thanks for upload!
My pleasure, mate! Well, since you've mentioned Slovakia, I can tell also something about me as a person and a cosmopolitan guy. I've been living and working for 5 years in Copenhagen, 2 years in Canada - Vancouver and Halifax, 2 years in Dublin and 2 years in Austria and Germany. I am a native of Slovakia, but I feel home literally everywhere ;)
1971 I was 20 year old fulltime college student in S. Calif exempt from draft with draft lottery number 364, no chickenshit 'bone spur' exemptions. in countryAlabamacontinuecambodiaSmith
@@livewithpatienceandcomposu2510 Sounds cool my man! what I wrote that YT somehow deleted was in 71 I volunteered went to Vietnam age 20 to assist US soldiers, experienced insanity, horror, etc. this little move depicts much of that. years later I was in Cambodia 1997 for more of same.
I saw this in a theatre as a teenage when it first came out. I remember thinking it was pretty good despite the low budget. Watching it again 40 years later, I agree with my teenage self. Burt's soliloquy on why he's still a major alone makes it worth watching. There are a few vaguely familiar looking TV character actors of the era, but they must have busted the budget on Burt's salary, because the rest of the actors seem to have been sourced from community theatre. Despite that and the cheap wobbly sets, the tight story line and occasional dark humor makes it add up to more than the sum of it's parts.
Pellicola davvero stupenda basata liberamente su una storia vera, sceneggiatura ben fatta che mostra l' assurdità della guerra in Vietnam, soprattutto di questa missione inutile rappresentata nella pellicola. Una pellicola realistica e non retorica.
This is right up there with The Veteran with another favorite actor of mine, Michael Ironside.-- oh yeah, six degrees -- Ironside did the second part of the V miniseries and the one full season with Marc Singer.
"Go Tell the Spartans" is my favorite film on the Vietnam War. A screen adaption of Daniel Ford's _Incident at Muc Wa: A Story of the Vietnam War_ it gives the viewer a pretty good idea of the factionalism and corruption of the South Vietnamese and the effects of these with which the U.S. Army advisers had to contend. The U.S. MAAG/MACV advisory phase of the war from the early 1960's to 1965 is the most interesting stage of the U.S.'s war in Vietnam, in my opinion--and the most neglected. It was when the nasty little guerrilla war in South Vietnam was small and local, which is the way it ought to have stayed.
Absolutely right , The good old US called it a drawxin Korea , spent billions and see massive airpower and artillery in Vietnam and still lost , no staying power and flawed leadership and let's not forget The war of 1812 , there missing and objective invade Canada and make it another state . They love to talk about Jackson and New Orleans and the burning of Washington but there two by revisionist ahole fakes forget Canada isn't theirs and Washington was in response to the burning of York the capital of upper Canada , now Ontario for you dimwit American idiots who have no concept. American colonialism at it finest , Hawaii , Guam , Puerto Rico the Phillipines etc etc . Only in your stupid minds is that not what your whole ideal fights about. Suggestion get over yourselves
Have you seen Twilight's Last Gleaming? another anti-Vietnam film with Lancaster and good all on its own. Also, Ulzana's Raid was a film a clef about Vietnam.
Ah the time when LT COL. John Paul Vann was in country; “A Bright Shining Lie” tells part of his story with MACV along with his critical viewpoint of the U.S advisor role in South Vietnam.
Felt a bit like my non-combat year in S. Vietnam, 1971. Combat aside I was able to relate to much of it, being a Vietnamese language trained intel agent (SGT. under civilian cover).
Found out about this movie by accident really, when reading about something else. While the production value is a bit lacking. It is a great story, about a little studied time in American military history. Burt Lancaster is tremendous. The uniforms, helios, and equipment are pretty much time correct. Thanks for posting it.
It’s a silly comment. Americans make a whole variety of movies. They can and do make movies critical of themselves all the time. They aren’t held back by the govt, unlike China, Russia and wherever else.
Thank you for letting me see this movie. If I saw this movie at 18, I would have hated It. Now I am 68, I understand it. It was a very good movie. The only part that did not fit was if you didn't make Lt. Colonel in 20 years they discharge you, it is the rules.
In 1977, the producers sought assistance from the U.S. Army, who responded that assistance would only be forthcoming if modifications to the script and characters were made. The Army response stated that its advisors to Vietnam in 1964 were "virtually all outstanding individuals, handpicked for their jobs, and quite experienced. In presenting an offhand collection of losers, it is totally unrealistic of the Army in Vietnam in that period."
@@tumblingdown8612 Perhaps it's trying to be artistic somehow, but in reality it's an insulting movie that dishonors vietnam vets. The whole entire plot of the movie has zero verisimilitude.
Uniforms, equipment, weapons and vehicles are pretty much right on, basic story is OK, leaves a lot to be desired probably with the characterization of MAAG members as misfits and losers. The Army most likely sent some of their best people to MAAG.
ICYMI Lancaster was never in any of the rah-rah war movies made during his career. Looking back over the part of his oeuvre that I've seen, the ones involving war all have anti-war messages. He took a pay cut to do this one because of that. Kevin Bacon: Marc Singer to Michael Ironside (V) to Tom Cruise (Top Gun) to A Few Good Men.
Yes but Pyongyang is in Korea and ping pong is played in China but some of us eat off of paper plates in the United States. Nyuck-yuck-yuck-yuck-yuck. Hey Moe! Hey Moe! hows that fer bein' a HAM to a radio operator?
This could have been Afghanistan, except the US Army didn't have the "courtesy" of informing their Allies previously of their intention of pulling out when the going got too tough for them to handle . God bless Hollywood (and John Wayne) for showing to the World how the good ol' US of A won this war.
This brought me here: "Military history professor Bill Allison rates Vietnam War movies, such as "Apocalypse Now," for realism." "Vietnam War Historian Breaks Down 8 Vietnam War Scenes In Movies And TV | How Real Is It?" ruclips.net/video/2kWuqq8pb7Q/видео.html
As much documentaries Ive attempted to watch about Vietnam Ive never been able to comprehend how or why the French were in control of what would become Vietnam. Um French? Their on the other side of the European or Asian continent for them. BTW My late father was a Vietnam Veteran (so seen mostly every movie)
Well, long before you left your dad's bollocks there was a period in history called the age of exploration where technology advanced enough that peoples could travel between continents and eventually these peoples rushed to conquer territory to stop the other guys from getting it, namely the British.
Colonization. They were in control of Indochina by conquering it, mostly militarily but also by other means, taking the place of the Chinese. The main reason was economic: controlling trades with Asia, new sources of supply, but interestingly there were also other reasons such as a politico-religious pressure from Catholics to come to the aid of the violently persecuted Christians. Then they wouldn't accept to let it go as they widely developed it and wished to defend the culture they imported.
Gotta love that gum chewing mouth open Captain , figure he will eventually get a star , more likely knowing how really useless the American military high command is , he probably became a bemefalled member of the Joint Chiefs.
@@AntonioŽapčić Check out the character that Lancaster played in the movie "Seven Days in May." It will make you think about what might have happened if the military were involved on January 6, 2021.
1971 my last day in Vietnam was called in to MACV HQ to meet General Fred C Weyand last Commanding General in S VN. He thanked me for my service, said Son it's a very complex situation out movedfriend
It's a real honor sir, that a true war veteran is leaving a comment on my channel! I was born in 1981, so one could say that I know nothing about this topic as a snotty little kid which only heard about this by the word of mouth tradition or rather watched some Vietnam war movies. Thank you once again for your input, sir! God bless! Hope you returned well and unharmed home. I know many didn't have so much luck to return home and tell about it or are now maimed, living on the streets in the US.
These soldiers who are employed by the government are workers, and no doubt innocent people.
My dad left in 69 he did 2 tours he was drafted only reason he came back is because they killed his cousin....
He didn't. Because he wasn't even in Vietnam till 73.
I made it back to the "world" . I live my life remembering those that did not.
I love when Burt Lancaster calls the Vietnamese Colonel a Mother Fucker in Pig Latin and then tells him it means
"To Victory". Awesome😀
I had no idea thanks for sharing
@@Mantisman27 No worries. The subtitles, which are pretty good for most of this movie, have him saying Alemay Akefay, when he actually says Other May Ucker Fay, which is Pig Latin for Mother Fucker, a classic moment in the film.
@@joydivisionisnotdead67 I tried to figure it out. Thanks.
Thank You for sharing this excellent, underrated, well cast film.
My pleasure, Rick 1009!
Very underrated indeed,excellent movie and cast.
De Opresso Liber!
Thanks to a Vietnam War historian for rating this one as very accurate. Nice touches like the guy picking up the Major's cigar and dude pouring Jack Daniels in his canteen.
Stationed in Frankfurt in 1984, my First Sergeant was a Vietnam vet who served in a Cavalry unit in 1968-69. One day he and I were talking and he said that, without a doubt, Go Tell the Spartans was the best film about the war.
"Go Tell the Spartans" has always been my favorite movie on the Vietnam War as it is the most factually based film on the Vietnam War and it is set during the U.S. military-advisory stage of the war between 1961 & '64. The movie is bssed on the novel _Incident at Muc Wa_ by Daniel Ford which was a fictionalized account of an actual event or series of events in So. Vietnam which was covered by Ford when he was a correspondent in So. Vietnam in 1964. Ford's 1964 dispatches from So. Vietnam appeared in the magazine "The Nation" and he was awarded the Stern Fund Magazine Writers' Award for them. Having Burt Lancaster in this movie, too, is of course a great asset.
Terrific and stunning HD.
Never seen Burt Lancaster in a bad film, some of his best: Lawman*, Valdez is Coming*, Ulzana’s Raid*, Vera Cruz, Airport, Gunfight at the Ok Corral, The Professionals, Twilight’s Last Gleaming, Zulu Dawn.
*These are violent westerns 1971/72 and normally censored, particularly Ulzana’s Raid, but I have German Releases, FSK label, with original English dialogue which are uncut and worth getting hold of.
Haven't seen this movie in a number of years. Pleasure to watch it again. Really brings out the human side of war with all its brutality. Having a strong interest in the Battle of Thermopylae, I can see the theme of sacrifice in the face of overwhelming odds portrayed well by the main characters.
ive watched this movie at least 20 times damn good movie
Siskell and Ebert gave this film two thumbs up. It was a neglected treasure they said. Watching it today, the sets and uniforms are so similar to the MASH TV comedy show that you have to readjust and quit expecting Hawkeye, Klinger and the cliched sentimentalized canned laughter to suddenly appear. This is a 'serious" film and not propaganda. Maybe more real than Full Metal Jacket, which was more "dramatic".
Terrific casting and dialog great portrayal of the different types of characters who served. I encountered many when I did in '71. Slovakia, thanks for upload!
My pleasure, mate! Well, since you've mentioned Slovakia, I can tell also something about me as a person and a cosmopolitan guy. I've been living and working for 5 years in Copenhagen, 2 years in Canada - Vancouver and Halifax, 2 years in Dublin and 2 years in Austria and Germany. I am a native of Slovakia, but I feel home literally everywhere ;)
1971 I was 20 year old fulltime college student in S. Calif exempt from draft with draft lottery number 364, no chickenshit 'bone spur' exemptions. in countryAlabamacontinuecambodiaSmith
@@livewithpatienceandcomposu2510 Sounds cool my man! what I wrote that YT somehow deleted was in 71 I volunteered went to Vietnam age 20 to assist US soldiers, experienced insanity, horror, etc. this little move depicts much of that. years later I was in Cambodia 1997 for more of same.
This is a true classic. I love this film and the story. Great combat scenes, good music and characters. Love the ending.
I saw this in a theatre as a teenage when it first came out. I remember thinking it was pretty good despite the low budget. Watching it again 40 years later, I agree with my teenage self. Burt's soliloquy on why he's still a major alone makes it worth watching. There are a few vaguely familiar looking TV character actors of the era, but they must have busted the budget on Burt's salary, because the rest of the actors seem to have been sourced from community theatre. Despite that and the cheap wobbly sets, the tight story line and occasional dark humor makes it add up to more than the sum of it's parts.
Lancaster helped to fund the film, maybe including in regards to salary?
Thank you, in advance. I know that I'm gonna enjoy this as much or more as the 1st time. We died like men.
Pellicola davvero stupenda basata liberamente su una storia vera, sceneggiatura ben fatta che mostra l' assurdità della guerra in Vietnam, soprattutto di questa missione inutile rappresentata nella pellicola. Una pellicola realistica e non retorica.
really liked this besides the ending they really dropped the ball
Thanks for this!!
No problem, mate! Enjoy!
This is right up there with The Veteran with another favorite actor of mine, Michael Ironside.-- oh yeah, six degrees -- Ironside did the second part of the V miniseries and the one full season with Marc Singer.
"Go Tell the Spartans" is my favorite film on the Vietnam War. A screen adaption of Daniel Ford's _Incident at Muc Wa: A Story of the Vietnam War_ it gives the viewer a pretty good idea of the factionalism and corruption of the South Vietnamese and the effects of these with which the U.S. Army advisers had to contend.
The U.S. MAAG/MACV advisory phase of the war from the early 1960's to 1965 is the most interesting stage of the U.S.'s war in Vietnam, in my opinion--and the most neglected.
It was when the nasty little guerrilla war in South Vietnam was small and local, which is the way it ought to have stayed.
Words to remember "Fucking draftee I still don't know what he's doing here" just wait there will be plenty after 1964.
US forces left Viet-Nam in 1975, this film was made in 1978 and is a testimony to US hubris: 'We can't lose, we're Americans'.
Absolutely right , The good old US called it a drawxin Korea , spent billions and see massive airpower and artillery in Vietnam and still lost , no staying power and flawed leadership and let's not forget The war of 1812 , there missing and objective invade Canada and make it another state . They love to talk about Jackson and New Orleans and the burning of Washington but there two by revisionist ahole fakes forget Canada isn't theirs and Washington was in response to the burning of York the capital of upper Canada , now Ontario for you dimwit American idiots who have no concept. American colonialism at it finest , Hawaii , Guam , Puerto Rico the Phillipines etc etc . Only in your stupid minds is that not what your whole ideal fights about. Suggestion get over yourselves
@@trevorplows7494 see this why no one shows up to help you move
@@trevorplows7494seek help, btw no one gives a shit
@@trevorplows7494Ouuuuuu, somebody got a turd in their oatmeal. That jealous of Americans? Poor baby.
Filmed in Valencia California.
Like Malibu for MASH
I had a feeling they were in Orange grooves I used to dirt bike in.
Actually, this story is easy to see if you have first watched "A Bright Shining lie" (1998). Burt Lunaster played a good part!
Haven't seen that one yet. Thanks for the recommendation!
Have you seen Twilight's Last Gleaming? another anti-Vietnam film with Lancaster and good all on its own. Also, Ulzana's Raid was a film a clef about Vietnam.
Thanks! I will check it out! @@patriciaheil6811
Ah the time when LT COL. John Paul Vann was in country; “A Bright Shining Lie” tells part of his story with MACV along with his critical viewpoint of the U.S advisor role in South Vietnam.
Burt Lancaster was born in 1913 so he was 65 in this film!
Great movie wish they'd put it in spectrum or a major streaming service.😢
Felt a bit like my non-combat year in S. Vietnam, 1971. Combat aside I was able to relate to much of it, being a Vietnamese language trained intel agent (SGT. under civilian cover).
Found out about this movie by accident really, when reading about something else. While the production value is a bit lacking. It is a great story, about a little studied time in American military history. Burt Lancaster is tremendous. The uniforms, helios, and equipment are pretty much time correct. Thanks for posting it.
People who say America only makes propaganda films should watch this one.
It’s a silly comment. Americans make a whole variety of movies. They can and do make movies critical of themselves all the time. They aren’t held back by the govt, unlike China, Russia and wherever else.
@@rowmagnvs Please re-read my comment. I'm saying America makes lots of good films.
@@Edmant I think they meant the comment is silly when used as you describe, not your actual usage of it.
Thank you for letting me see this movie. If I saw this movie at 18, I would have hated It. Now I am 68, I understand it. It was a very good movie.
The only part that did not fit was if you didn't make Lt. Colonel in 20 years they discharge you, it is the rules.
1:29 ... that's a tight sport for a movie helo. dang
The Team Sargint/Johnathan Goldsmith/ later to become "The Most Interesting Man in the World" Cerveza King!
Coursey succumbed to Yellow Fever. Get ya every time.
There is a real Cowboy that served in SOG. Khanh “Cowboy” Doan. I wonder if it’s based on him
Did he constantly say "I say this to you" and "Insteme!"?
Bon film...
Penang base, isn’t that in Malaysia? Da nang was a MACV base
In 1977, the producers sought assistance from the U.S. Army, who responded that assistance would only be forthcoming if modifications to the script and characters were made. The Army response stated that its advisors to Vietnam in 1964 were "virtually all outstanding individuals, handpicked for their jobs, and quite experienced. In presenting an offhand collection of losers, it is totally unrealistic of the Army in Vietnam in that period."
They wanted lies.
One of the first Vietnam War films and a good one at that.
31:31 "Seinfeld! Four!"
crazy that this was made the same time Apocalypse now was made, but this looks 20 years older. Pretty shotty
It's also 20 times better than apocalypse now.
@@vhfgamer hahaha! yeah right
@@JaceDanielFilms Well anyways, that's what the vietnam vets I know think about it. Apocalypse now just pisses most of them off.
@@vhfgamer Its not supposed to be a realistic in a 1:1 sense its a retelling of heart of darkness in a modern form lol
@@tumblingdown8612 Perhaps it's trying to be artistic somehow, but in reality it's an insulting movie that dishonors vietnam vets. The whole entire plot of the movie has zero verisimilitude.
Cowboy! Get that man out of that jug! ---> He say he not Cong. We make him say he Cong.
I saw this movie on On TV.
Uniforms, equipment, weapons and vehicles are pretty much right on, basic story is OK, leaves a lot to be desired probably with the characterization of MAAG members as misfits and losers. The Army most likely sent some of their best people to MAAG.
Watch Burt Lancaster in Twilight Last Gleaming great novie.
Or "Seven Days in May."
James hong!👍
Jman
Much like john wayne both rather aged to be in combat!
ICYMI Lancaster was never in any of the rah-rah war movies made during his career. Looking back over the part of his oeuvre that I've seen, the ones involving war all have anti-war messages. He took a pay cut to do this one because of that.
Kevin Bacon: Marc Singer to Michael Ironside (V) to Tom Cruise (Top Gun) to A Few Good Men.
Along with Peter Folk played in "Castle keep"(1969).a little rare but strong movie for Ardennes.i have it in dvd,thank God!
He paid out of his own pocket to finish this one.
Weyand was not the commanding officer until 6/1972
Screw NightHawk, I want that
Fuckin' Jungle Lit Up!!!😜
7:58 the most interesting Man in the world.
Who taught these actors to salute? Someone get Captain Dale Dye on the job, stat.
Penang is an island in Malaysia. Penang-Hue is in Vietnam. Small error.
Yes but Pyongyang is in Korea and ping pong is played in China but some of us eat off of paper plates in the United States. Nyuck-yuck-yuck-yuck-yuck. Hey Moe! Hey Moe! hows that fer bein' a HAM to a radio operator?
Oh! A wise guy huh?@@ShelitaCrosby
@@davidqualls1766 A whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop........ Why soitenly
This could have been Afghanistan, except the US Army didn't have the "courtesy" of informing their Allies previously of their intention of pulling out when the going got too tough for them to handle . God bless Hollywood (and John Wayne) for showing to the World how the good ol' US of A won this war.
Toffee's rank?
He would be a private, wouldn't he?.
first person I knew killed Nam was in 1962. For Real. Way big cock up that
Cowboy saw itAll.
I love how the old man (James Hong) was cast as the father in Wayne's World 2. The fight scene with Wayne is so good. 🤣
23 yrs old still 2nd Lt , A Maj. at 65 yrs old still ?
The major was caught sleeping with the generals wife, according to the movie.
It's a movie, it's not real.
seems we have guys here that steals valor.....Weyand was not the commanding officer until 6/1972....shame on you
23:45 bruh no arvn guys say that, only"Diệt Cộng" Sat Cong? That good but not true
This brought me here:
"Military history professor Bill Allison rates Vietnam War movies, such as "Apocalypse Now," for realism."
"Vietnam War Historian Breaks Down 8 Vietnam War Scenes In Movies And TV | How Real Is It?"
ruclips.net/video/2kWuqq8pb7Q/видео.html
Same here. Glad he recommended it. Great movie.
@@KevinSmith-mh5oq Same here, and am thankful for his recommendation.
As much documentaries Ive attempted to watch about Vietnam Ive never been able to comprehend how or why the French were in control of what would become Vietnam. Um French? Their on the other side of the European or Asian continent for them. BTW My late father was a Vietnam Veteran (so seen mostly every movie)
Well, long before you left your dad's bollocks there was a period in history called the age of exploration where technology advanced enough that peoples could travel between continents and eventually these peoples rushed to conquer territory to stop the other guys from getting it, namely the British.
Colonization. They were in control of Indochina by conquering it, mostly militarily but also by other means, taking the place of the Chinese. The main reason was economic: controlling trades with Asia, new sources of supply, but interestingly there were also other reasons such as a politico-religious pressure from Catholics to come to the aid of the violently persecuted Christians. Then they wouldn't accept to let it go as they widely developed it and wished to defend the culture they imported.
Gotta love that gum chewing mouth open Captain , figure he will eventually get a star , more likely knowing how really useless the American military high command is , he probably became a bemefalled member of the Joint Chiefs.
butthurt much?
SECURE AND CONTAIN PRECAPTURED WE ARE NOT SURE
What Joe the movie should’ve been like
1:35:00
******
That asian vnch actor look gay? In vietnam war
terrible movie
Why?
If Burt Lancaster had blonde hair he'd look a bit like President Trump 😊🇺🇸❤
What did Burt do to you to compare him to orange Jabba the Hutt?
@@AntonioŽapčić Check out the character that Lancaster played in the movie "Seven Days in May." It will make you think about what might have happened if the military were involved on January 6, 2021.