@@RandomGaminginHD well you crapped all over the card, but it got me thinking, what about an older FM1 chip paired with that gpu? Say like an A6 on that socket? I'll sell you mine for 25 bucks USD.
Intel is bringing this feature back with the Xe iGPU and dGPU, though it's still far away from launch and only some presentations for now from intel lol
I think it still matters if the developer will support it. I dont think many developers would support any of this stuff anymore cause of how powerful current technology is now. Back then tech was overshadowed by the games but now we have way too much power for games.
I did this like 6 years ago with an AMD A10-7850k and an R7 250! It actually worked fairly well on some games. I don't think it would work well with an HD 6450, considering how abysmal that card is
@@RandomGaminginHD if I remember correctly, I think I eventually disabled it though lol, since most games didn't benefit at all with dual GPU. I do remember it working really well with Battlefield 4 and Tomb Raider 2013, if you ever do benchmarks on a dual graphics setup like this again.
had this combo and played A LOT with it. Had it with 2400 mhz ram it was pretty awesome. Had to give it up because I was expecting dx12 games and it took too long...
I'm still mourning the death of multi-GPU it was looking so promising with DX12 and Vulkan and yet it died instead because devs don't want to bother implementing it in their engines. It would've been really cool to see what a Vega 8 and RX 550 could do together, even if it's impractical.
DX12 was supposed to have this (idk if its still there or still in coming down the pipeline). I remember back 2015/2016 where people were saying how their intel integrated graphics will finally have a use.
Its have been long time it can be done until kaveri-godavari apu. It started from am3 socket era for chipset with igpu inside. Then it continue to apu era in fm1 and fm2/+. For mobile section, it only aplicable starts from apu era until 7th gen apu
I remember HIS had a 6670 1GB GDDR5 model that seemed like it would have boosted performance. I remember looking at that and an A8 or A10 at the time for a budget build. I ended up going a different route.
"Stuttery feel". That's multi-GPU gaming (since around 2010) in a nutshell. I think once the games required enough bandwidth, it was just too much for the motherboard and cards to handle smoothly. And in this case.... To be honest, the fact that such an asymmetric multi-GPU set-up works at all is amazing. Too bad you didn't have an HD 6570 to crossfire with the APU. I think that was the best GPU that worked with the HD 8570D.
if you are really thight on the budget, you are better off with an am4 athlon 200ge or 3000g in terms of integrated gpu performance... waaaay better off.
I remember doing this exact thing like 5 years ago when I was getting back into pcs, Had an A10 7800 (I think) and I paired the APU with an HD 6670. Something about a crossfire between an APU and a graphics card seemed just so cool...
dude you are so calming, the way you say "ello everyone, ...." is so nice. everytime i click on your video that phrase changes my sad or "neutral" mood to a very happy and "smiling" mood. the videos are very informative as well, i just LOVE the way you talk, you sound like a quiet person (just like me) anf just that calms the heck out of me, keep doing great bro!
I love your videos man, it is a beautiful contrast too the “brand new lightning fast 50 gb vram 6090 ti super dooper” unboxing videos. When I first got into PC gaming I had no clue about the hardware aspect of things, I wanted to play Arma 2 and by god I was going to make that happen. Saved my summer work money and purchased a acer desktop with AMD A6-3620…. Little did I know…. Anyway after playing all games on their lowest respective settings I starting to learn more about hardware and PC components. I was in limbo for so long whether or not too pair my A6 with a 6670 and so X-fire, or just go 7750 and do away with x fire. I ended up doing neither and built a 8320, 2gb 770 machine instead a couple years later…. Another mistake. And just this month I’ve made the upgrade from my FX 8320 too Ryzen 5600!! I’m ecstatic! The technology is leaps and bounds
This video honestly helped me a ton. I never knew what the dual graphics actually were but I remembered I have an older prebuilt package computer that supposedly had it. I started looking into it and found out that the PC actually had the wrong GPU and wasn't even DG compatible with the CPU, and removing the GPU entirely gave me much better performance already. Then I found a used HD 6570 for cheap and slapped it in there and now I can run certain games at a very comfortable 50-60 fps on lower graphics. It's only a backup computer but I'm super happy with the results, I probably never would have known about this if I hadn't stumbled upon this video.
thanks for doing this i was always super interested in this would be neat if they had made physical vega 8, 10, and 11 that could be crossfired with a ryzen apu
I used an A10-7870k back in the day and always thought about the r7 250 crossfire available. I never did it, but I found like a 15-20% performance boost from running my ram at 2133MHz instead of the stock 1600.
Since the 6450 is fairly worse than an 8570D iGPU, I was quite surprised one could possibly get any performance boost with such a combination. Thanks for the vid, great work!
My old laptop had this type of crossfire, managed to last me for 8 years (2013 Acer Aspire with A8 and Radeon 7000 Series forgot which one) played Far Cry 3 and Yakuza Zero to hell with that bad boy.
I actually did similar to this back in 2013 with the AMD A10-6800K Richland 4.1 GHz (4.4GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop Processor - Black Edition AMD Radeon HD 8670D and a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7730 DirectX 11 100359-2GL 2GB 128-Bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support Video Card(UEFI). I also tried it with XFX Radeon R6670 DirectX 11 2GB 128-Bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 CrossFireX Supported Video Card. The HD 7730 was made about 6-8 months after specifically for CrossFire with the A10-6800K APU. The R6670 or R6650 were the video cards recommended at the time of release of the A10-6800X for Dual Graphics/CrossFire. Both setups worked great and there was very little to no difference between the HD 7730 or the R6670. I still have the computer that I built. I haven't used it for about 5 years now.
So I used to actually use this feature regularly, as my primary system was an Acer Aspire V3 laptop that used an A8-4500M and a Radeon HD 7670M, and to use the dedicated gpu I had to use the crossfire I believe, either way, that's what I had it set to and played that way for years. It was the first computer I owned that was able to play games and I used it from 2012 to 2017, and I was really happy with what I managed to get out of it. It was really interesting to me to see this feature revisited in 2020, it makes me want to dig out that old laptop and see what it can do today
I did this in two HTPC computers which both had an a8 6700 and a 6750 i built about a decade ago. I would never recommend this setup today but I remember at the time being impressed with it and it made sense in a HTPC setup because it was off when not playing a game so the system was quiet and kicked in when playing a game giving you decent frame rates. It gave the ability to build a low profile system with reasonable graphics.
I remember being quite intrigued by the whole crossfire with the apu. Now it seemed like you could go cheap, get more performance later on that way when you can afford it. However I realized that the low cost entry still limited you and amd had better offerings in it's fx line, even if you didn't get an apu. Even then getting a real GPU was a better upgrade than these budget ones with sli and if you went for an a8 or a10, then you were pushing the boundaries of why not just go fx or intel. I still had a friend who got an apu and just ended up getting a good graphics card as it was a budget option that worked well enough for him. However as for the video, titles need to support sli/crossfire to see reasonable improvements and bethesda or obsidian in this case new vegas didn't support sli/crossfire. I don't think any of the newer titles ever did either. I remember during fallout 4's heyday, some people with sli setup's, specifically someone who bought 980 ti triple sli and the latest intel cpu complaining that god ray's ultra suffered in performance in fallout 4.Some people upgrade to max out a game and god rays were just too unreasonable and the game not supporting sli didn't help. However many other people with sli and crossfire had the same complaints.
Great Vid! I was looking at building a Legacy PC and wanted to know what was the most powerful APU and GPU combo for Dual Graphics? Maybe it would be a great follow up video to this?
idk if you've already done a video like this, but it would be fun to see as many integrated graphics from AMD and Intel go head to head, see which ones can still hold their own, and which ones are old enough to not bother with, even on an extreme budget.
@@RandomGaminginHD aye, it probably wouldn't be the cheapest video to produce, and it might be difficult to keep results as fair as possible, but it might be an idea for a subscriber milestone?
I honestly never expected to see a video like this. I actually did this with an A8 6500 and 6450 for about a month. One interesting note is I "upgraded" from a 9500 GT which was ironically faster lol.
Good video because it tests a dual-graphics setup one would not expect for that card. One would expect a hd6450 to pair with a dualcore a6-6400k richland APU (dual-core) especially because the a6-6400k is very overclockable. While it won't be up to your dual-core, it would be "in keeping" with the era of games such cards could use. If you have two (1GB or 2GB) hd6450 cards or r5-230 cards, crossfire those and see reasonable performance (especially overclocked). On different combinations (officially supported), I'm pretty sure you can choose to plug into the APU onboard or the graphics-card monitor port (to test different speed performance). As an aside, your mboard there could totally have the back cut (a small saw or dremel) out of the pci-e x1 slot which is gen2. You could have 3 cards plugged in for crossfire _(but I doubt the APU could join in with that fun, but hey it might do it)._ A hd6450 won't saturate that and nor will a r5-230. In fact, even a r7-240 would use about "3x" slot (theoretically 2.5x slot at gen2) so you only need a 4x slot for those. A hd6850 or hd7750 only loses about 15% performance in a gen2 x4 pci-e slot and therefore is acceptable at 85% but of course at that point it is saturated in the slot so you'd go for an 8x slot gen2 as you would with say a nvidia750 or 1030 so you'd be using say 6x slot bandwidth.
Not mentioned in this video is the problem with crossfire and SLI, that being stutter, you may get more frames but it will get more stuttery as resorces are shared
I remember getting one of the AMD Llano APUs around its launch, paired it with a 6670 which I believe at the time was the highest supported card for hybrid crossfire
I did this as well, using an A10-5800K paired with an HIS-branded HD 6570 1gb card. Although officially not supported, Dual Graphics did work. Sadly, I took no measurements, and eventually relied on the 6570 alone as the 5800K had decided that this wasn't just a model number, but a thermal goal in degrees Kelvin. Fortunately, the system limped along (underclocked and undervolted) until I could leave FM2+ for AM4.
I actually used AMD VISION, which is almost the same technology as this but for a motherboard's integrated graphics. When my main PC was broken, I managed to get playable framerates for Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer out of ATI 4250 on the Biostar AM3 mobo and an ATI Radeon 3450. Held up for a whole week while I waited for parts to come in!
I would have liked to see a more powerful card to pair with the iGPU. This would answer the question, if there was actually any reason for this setup. My last PC, based on the AM3 Plattform, with a Phenom II 1055t and A 890GX Northbridge also had this feature (which I never made use of) in an even more weird way: While the CPU did not have integrated graphics, there was a Radeon HD 4290 integrated in the Northbridge. You could use "Hybrid Graphics" or "Crossfire" between the GPU in the Northbridge and a cheap videocard.
I rock my 4690k and SLI 970 s in my home theater PC connected to my 4K TV. I see anywhere from 30 to 80 FPS. I like the 4690k because it is VR ready and works well with my HTC Vive. The vibe stays at a stable 90 FPS
My last build was an A8 7600 coupled with an R7 240 with 16 GB 1866 DDR3. I am not a gamer but it was more than enough for RUclips and some older games.
Nice overview :) though I certainly wouldn't do that with any of my (present or future) systems, especially if, in some games, adding the display adapter type GPU made things worse. Personally, I'd just either stick with the iGPU, assuming it was OK enough, or just got a better dedicated GPU to go with the CPU (assuming the CPU was capable enough to be paired with a semi-decent GPU). The HD6450 (and other types of low power, passively cooled GPUs are only worth using as display adapter.
It won't work well due to severe CPU limitations obviously. This chip has good enough integrated GPU for what it can handle without visible bottlenecks. Any CPU without L3 cache can't do much in modern games for about 7 to 8 years already.
The 8570D can be paired with an R7 240, which is a big boost over the 6450, which is a rebadged 5450. The R5 230 is also just a rebadged 5450, so the R7 240 would see quite a boost here and they go for quite cheap aswell.
Reminds me of lucidlogix virtu mvp. Worked really well (except for the extra bugs in skyrim) but eventually windows updates stopped it from working, and it quietly disappeared from all mention online. I wonder if microsoft quietly bought them up before releasing dx12?
Lol, I don’t think that’s quite going to cut it, haha! Your best option is to use liquid nitrogen (or at least dry ice since that’s available in some grocery stores and you don’t need to buy a tank for it), then do a voltage bypass control mod on the card (the tricky part is since that’s such a low end card you probably won’t find a guide of where to solder from any EXOC people, so you’ll have to look up the pinouts and datasheet yourself and do some probing). Those are going to get you way farther than the ~20 MHz (probably max) that a cap mod would do, you’d be looking at potentially huge gains (I know I ran my first GPU, an RX270, at a 50% overclock just on phase cooling with no other modifications as my daily machine until I found out the hard way what sub-zero on your GPU for your daily system does to the BGA solder in terms of thermal cyclic fatigue, haha!)
@@matt4193 meh, it’s for fun. Lots of EXOC guys drive the price up of older cards buying just to have fun (last time I checked they drove up old GT460 cards above the price of RX470 because that was the benching competition card that season). It’s all for fun, people buy $20 cards then burn $50 in liquid nitrogen just having a good time. Haha, not to mention that you still need a cooler to hold the dry ice in** **my cooler that can do dry ice cost me just over $400 USD, and currently I’ve got that zip tied on top of my old R9 270 right now for when I feel like getting around to chopping it in half with a hack saw and soldering on an EVGA Epower V board (which is like a $250 VRM zombie power board) to what’s probably a $20 GPU, haha! Sometimes you just gotta have fun, be whacky, and enjoy being silly 😜
@terry broderick if you’re not just wanting to overclock for fun (even my tablet is water cooled, lol, it’s just a fun sport). My friends used to joke “if you had a watch you’d probably overclock it”, and I took a moment then replied “you’re probably right, and I bet I could overclock a smart watch since those run android”, lol, that’s me, someone who loves tinkering!
@terry broderick I’m actually amazed at how little I’ve broken abusing things, I’ve only slightly damaged one GPU overclocking years ago but it’s actually working fine now. By comparison in the same time I’ve had the following computer parts break using while within spec and not doing anything crazy: 2 GPUs, 1 TV sound board, 1 monitor, 3 power supplies, 2 SSD drives, and a few fans. So seems it’s ok even when everything goes wrong, because I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had coolant leak water all over my computers (and all those parts are still running just fine) or how many times I’ve had to wipe puddles of water off my parts, or swap RAM sticks that were frozen over had to wipe off the pools of water off the motherboard while in the middle of benching, and none of those times has anything broke. Like Ive had to have had at least a dozen water leaks, at least! Haha, computer parts are actually pretty tough, and most of my stuff has custom BIOS to allow unlimited power and remove all safeties, but it’s always seemed to be fine (I’ve set the record for a few 3D mark records for particular hardware, so I’m not babying the parts too much, it’s much more than any normal consumer would do). I also love crossfire like you. My main PC is Halloween themed built in a vampire style casket and uses is 4x R9 Fury in crossfire (it’s crazy performance, over double the fps of my Titan Xp, currently nothing else beats it and it’s only about $500 in GPUs while beating 2x RTX 2080ti and since RTX 3090 doesn’t seem to have SLI support it’s probably still one of the fastest while at the same time not crazy multi-thousand dollar in graphics). It’s paired with my Threadripper 1950x and that runs great at 4.2 GHz all 32 threads with 3600 MHz quad channel memory it’s a beast (that’s just on water, I’m hoping to make an extreme cascade cooler to run it at -100c someday as my daily machine). Powering that since it’s Halloween themed are 2x SuperNova 1300 PSUs (gotta go duel 13’s on Halloween builds, haha, that and while running Crysis it pulls about 1700w from the wall, haha!) I love my crazy crossfire setups and last I was benching for fun I set the record for crossfire RX470 on 3dMark, then gave one of those to my little cousin as a nice upgrade for Christmas.
Nice video, never thought about this set up of dual gpu, you think an athlon ll x2 645, igpu mobo (asrock n68 gs/7025) and gt710 1gb ddr3 can be combined? SLI. Thats my current pc. Sorry my pc is too old.
This reminds me of a guy on a local parts swap Facebook group I ran into who was absolutely convinced that the Asus "Dual"-branded AMD graphics cards were specifically designed to work in Crossfire with APU's. Not sure how the fact that they also use that "Dual" cooler and name on Nvidia cards figured into his idea.
Details 6600k: 2 piledriver module (fx4300 without l3 cache) 3.9ghz + terascale gpu.. 256:16:8 Hd6450 gpu... 160:8:4 By the way terascale drivers ended in Jan 2016 so nearly 5 years ago. Being fx cpu and terascale gpu its the worst mix. Earlier apus atleast had k10 cores. Later apus atleast had GCN gpus. My friend had a work pc with a 3670k 4core athlon 2.7ghz + gpu 320:16:8 at 443mhz. With some assistance he got cpu to 3.2ghz (18.5%) and the gpu to 722mhz (+63%) and it wasnt so bad then. Then it got replaced with a 2500u laptop with a 4c8t ryzen and 512:16:8 vega at 1300mhz oc. Much better
I might want to try this because I have a similar setup (7560 onboard and 5450 discrete). Is there a specific version of Radeon software I have to install?
i had the same thing and at the time I thought. now would be a good time to invest in amd nobody seems to realize they’re about to shit all over intel.
I remember using an HP PC with an AMD APU and an R5 GPU that had no video connector. I was intrigued. The graphics still worked when the R5 was removed but considerably slower.
The reason behind the low FPS in your dual-mode configuration possibly because in your case the powerful GPU (which is the integrated APU) underperforms due to the presence of the weakly HD 6450. Always we should try to pair equally performing cards in SLI or Crossfire.
I had a a8-5600k with a 6570 back in 2013 I think it was, and enjoyed it a lot for gaming :) I remember playing the original Burnout Paradise Ultimate Box on it at max settings and got 60 fps constant. I also remember playing a bit of Mists of Pandaria and the original Skyrim on it (Skyrim being the only game I remember having any teething issues with regarding micro stuttering) but I enjoyed that system a lot! Amazing what speed them chips could get to with a cheap AIO liquid cooler :D
hey, how can you run catalyst on windows 10 ? i have 3 pc that coming to me using older amd gpu but there is just no way i can find a way to install catalyst on windows 10.
You might want to revisit this with using Amerine drivers, it has a function in the installer which allows for forcing crossfire or Gemini mode (don't know much about it) only that it enables it with my Rx 580 which is a Polaris card along with my Vega igpu.
I had a computer with a AMD A10 APU, and considered a hybrid crossfire, but it turned out to be better for me to buy a dedicated GPU that was faster than any possible hybrid crossfire setup, and it was also less problematic. I ended up with a GTX 1050 Ti.
Hello. I have a question. I can have a pentium g2030 for free and was wondering if it is worth exchanging my core 2 quad q6600 for the pentium? Will I have a gain of fps in games?
Hi Random great videos. One question; What Apu can crossfire with a 260x or is there even any apu/igpu that can pair with a 260x, I am not crossfiring 2 260x's as I only have one gpu, but would like to know if it could be paired with an apu.
Maybe you can do a video on upgrading a motherboard. I built a budget rig last year with a 2200g and a rx570 on a a320 motherboard and I want to get rid of gpu for something with more power but also get rid of the cheap motherboard for a b450 or x470
1:35 I see you also like to live dangerously. 😂
I did not expect you here lol
@@A17YT this guy comments on all rginhd videos
My system has been like that for about a month and a half now... on top of a cardboard box.
Yeah... dangerousness...
@@kingcody1800 mine too
@@kingcody1800 It's more the fact that it's dangling off the side of a cupboard. 😅
Try this: This APU and the Dirt 3 edition HD 6950 in Crossfire mode.
6850 could be good enough too
I want to see that too
It had that setup back in the day and it ran better when not in crossfire mode
I have that setup with the 2gb dirt 3 edition lol
Also as far as I could tell there was no noticeable increase in performance, could be because of lack of support tho
Crysis its one of the kind. SLI and Crossfire are barely managing to hold up against crysis.
Yea it just hates like all processors haha
Damn, I wish this feature was still a thing, just imagine + 10f fps on games
Yeah I’d love to see it with new apus
@@RandomGaminginHD well you crapped all over the card, but it got me thinking, what about an older FM1 chip paired with that gpu? Say like an A6 on that socket? I'll sell you mine for 25 bucks USD.
Intel is bringing this feature back with the Xe iGPU and dGPU, though it's still far away from launch and only some presentations for now from intel lol
@@RandomGaminginHD Try too get hold of a HD 6670 or 6570, should see a better performance in crossfire w apu then the HD 6450.
I think it still matters if the developer will support it. I dont think many developers would support any of this stuff anymore cause of how powerful current technology is now. Back then tech was overshadowed by the games but now we have way too much power for games.
I did this like 6 years ago with an AMD A10-7850k and an R7 250! It actually worked fairly well on some games.
I don't think it would work well with an HD 6450, considering how abysmal that card is
Awesome! That’s the best combo I think for this sort of thing. The 6450 certainly surprised me though haha
@@RandomGaminginHD hi..big fan of yours🙂
@@RandomGaminginHD if I remember correctly, I think I eventually disabled it though lol, since most games didn't benefit at all with dual GPU.
I do remember it working really well with Battlefield 4 and Tomb Raider 2013, if you ever do benchmarks on a dual graphics setup like this again.
How to enable this feature?
had this combo and played A LOT with it. Had it with 2400 mhz ram it was pretty awesome. Had to give it up because I was expecting dx12 games and it took too long...
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I'm still mourning the death of multi-GPU it was looking so promising with DX12 and Vulkan and yet it died instead because devs don't want to bother implementing it in their engines. It would've been really cool to see what a Vega 8 and RX 550 could do together, even if it's impractical.
thanks man for making my requested video
i still use that amd hd 6450
Can you try the AMD 6670 GDDR3 version instead? I always wondered how that card would do , Thanks!
whatt....? i nnever knew that you could incorporate the integrated gpu in a crossfire setup.. i didnt think that was a possible configuration..
It was doc. But poorly
DX12 was supposed to have this (idk if its still there or still in coming down the pipeline). I remember back 2015/2016 where people were saying how their intel integrated graphics will finally have a use.
Its have been long time it can be done until kaveri-godavari apu. It started from am3 socket era for chipset with igpu inside. Then it continue to apu era in fm1 and fm2/+. For mobile section, it only aplicable starts from apu era until 7th gen apu
6450 is very weak for the APU, it will only lose performance, it had to use a slightly better 65xx-66xx card
I remember HIS had a 6670 1GB GDDR5 model that seemed like it would have boosted performance. I remember looking at that and an A8 or A10 at the time for a budget build. I ended up going a different route.
Will it work on a10 4655m and 8670?
@@axevich That's a mobile apu. So no it wouldn't.
weak for an a8-a10, but cool for an A4-5000.
@@MaxDad7 HD 8670M, it would
"Stuttery feel". That's multi-GPU gaming (since around 2010) in a nutshell. I think once the games required enough bandwidth, it was just too much for the motherboard and cards to handle smoothly. And in this case.... To be honest, the fact that such an asymmetric multi-GPU set-up works at all is amazing. Too bad you didn't have an HD 6570 to crossfire with the APU. I think that was the best GPU that worked with the HD 8570D.
that's a very good video card if you like old titles
Was having a sad time, but saw ur video and made me feel better, keep creating these videos, love u man!
If you have any 4th gen i5's pls do a test on their intergrated graphics, im on a budget xd and going for that
Thats such a bad choice if you are on a budget
Just get some ryzen apu
@Chuck Darwin *used rx 470, 570, 480, 580. They all go for around $100 usd and perform around a 1650 Super
if you are really thight on the budget, you are better off with an am4 athlon 200ge or 3000g in terms of integrated gpu performance... waaaay better off.
3rd gen i5 here, with gtx 1060 6gb isnt too bad
i5 4670 is still decent
I remember doing this exact thing like 5 years ago when I was getting back into pcs, Had an A10 7800 (I think) and I paired the APU with an HD 6670. Something about a crossfire between an APU and a graphics card seemed just so cool...
3:33 Got lying around an A10-7890K + an R9 255 2GB GPU runs together in Dual Graphics mode but it's still worse than an RX550.
dude you are so calming, the way you say "ello everyone, ...." is so nice. everytime i click on your video that phrase changes my sad or "neutral" mood to a very happy and "smiling" mood.
the videos are very informative as well, i just LOVE the way you talk, you sound like a quiet person (just like me) anf just that calms the heck out of me, keep doing great bro!
I love your videos man, it is a beautiful contrast too the “brand new lightning fast 50 gb vram 6090 ti super dooper” unboxing videos.
When I first got into PC gaming I had no clue about the hardware aspect of things, I wanted to play Arma 2 and by god I was going to make that happen.
Saved my summer work money and purchased a acer desktop with AMD A6-3620…. Little did I know….
Anyway after playing all games on their lowest respective settings I starting to learn more about hardware and PC components.
I was in limbo for so long whether or not too pair my A6 with a 6670 and so X-fire, or just go 7750 and do away with x fire. I ended up doing neither and built a 8320, 2gb 770 machine instead a couple years later…. Another mistake.
And just this month I’ve made the upgrade from my FX 8320 too Ryzen 5600!! I’m ecstatic! The technology is leaps and bounds
This video honestly helped me a ton. I never knew what the dual graphics actually were but I remembered I have an older prebuilt package computer that supposedly had it.
I started looking into it and found out that the PC actually had the wrong GPU and wasn't even DG compatible with the CPU, and removing the GPU entirely gave me much better performance already. Then I found a used HD 6570 for cheap and slapped it in there and now I can run certain games at a very comfortable 50-60 fps on lower graphics.
It's only a backup computer but I'm super happy with the results, I probably never would have known about this if I hadn't stumbled upon this video.
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thanks for doing this
i was always super interested in this
would be neat if they had made physical vega 8, 10, and 11 that could be crossfired with a ryzen apu
I used an A10-7870k back in the day and always thought about the r7 250 crossfire available. I never did it, but I found like a 15-20% performance boost from running my ram at 2133MHz instead of the stock 1600.
i love this channel... these weird setups fascinate me
Since the 6450 is fairly worse than an 8570D iGPU, I was quite surprised one could possibly get any performance boost with such a combination. Thanks for the vid, great work!
Spelling mistake at 1:41 (conenct -> connect) just to let you know :)
Ah ok thanks I always miss something haha
@terry broderick no probem
My old laptop had this type of crossfire, managed to last me for 8 years (2013 Acer Aspire with A8 and Radeon 7000 Series forgot which one) played Far Cry 3 and Yakuza Zero to hell with that bad boy.
I actually did similar to this back in 2013 with the AMD A10-6800K Richland 4.1 GHz (4.4GHz Turbo) Socket FM2 100W Quad-Core Desktop Processor - Black Edition AMD Radeon HD 8670D and a SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 7730 DirectX 11 100359-2GL 2GB 128-Bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 CrossFireX Support Video Card(UEFI). I also tried it with XFX Radeon R6670 DirectX 11 2GB 128-Bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 CrossFireX Supported Video Card. The HD 7730 was made about 6-8 months after specifically for CrossFire with the A10-6800K APU. The R6670 or R6650 were the video cards recommended at the time of release of the A10-6800X for Dual Graphics/CrossFire. Both setups worked great and there was very little to no difference between the HD 7730 or the R6670. I still have the computer that I built. I haven't used it for about 5 years now.
Why/How do you put a Wraith Stealth Cooler on a FM2+ Motherboard?
AM4 & AM3+/FM2+ holes are not the same.
So I used to actually use this feature regularly, as my primary system was an Acer Aspire V3 laptop that used an A8-4500M and a Radeon HD 7670M, and to use the dedicated gpu I had to use the crossfire I believe, either way, that's what I had it set to and played that way for years. It was the first computer I owned that was able to play games and I used it from 2012 to 2017, and I was really happy with what I managed to get out of it. It was really interesting to me to see this feature revisited in 2020, it makes me want to dig out that old laptop and see what it can do today
I did this in two HTPC computers which both had an a8 6700 and a 6750 i built about a decade ago. I would never recommend this setup today but I remember at the time being impressed with it and it made sense in a HTPC setup because it was off when not playing a game so the system was quiet and kicked in when playing a game giving you decent frame rates. It gave the ability to build a low profile system with reasonable graphics.
Super happy seeing the old 6450 in action.
I remember being quite intrigued by the whole crossfire with the apu. Now it seemed like you could go cheap, get more performance later on that way when you can afford it. However I realized that the low cost entry still limited you and amd had better offerings in it's fx line, even if you didn't get an apu. Even then getting a real GPU was a better upgrade than these budget ones with sli and if you went for an a8 or a10, then you were pushing the boundaries of why not just go fx or intel. I still had a friend who got an apu and just ended up getting a good graphics card as it was a budget option that worked well enough for him.
However as for the video, titles need to support sli/crossfire to see reasonable improvements and bethesda or obsidian in this case new vegas didn't support sli/crossfire. I don't think any of the newer titles ever did either. I remember during fallout 4's heyday, some people with sli setup's, specifically someone who bought 980 ti triple sli and the latest intel cpu complaining that god ray's ultra suffered in performance in fallout 4.Some people upgrade to max out a game and god rays were just too unreasonable and the game not supporting sli didn't help. However many other people with sli and crossfire had the same complaints.
Great Vid! I was looking at building a Legacy PC and wanted to know what was the most powerful APU and GPU combo for Dual Graphics? Maybe it would be a great follow up video to this?
Damn imagine if this would work for ryzen apu's, 2200g+ rx460 would be something you would see a lot for sure!
Back in the day, it actually did boost performance using AMD crossfire. This was arround 2010-2012 with the hd 8570d igpu and terrascale 2-3 gpu’s.
Just realised i have this exact same card and literally used it to boot my new ryzen rig today lol
Thank you for another wonderful video 👍
this man works with his hands alot
idk if you've already done a video like this, but it would be fun to see as many integrated graphics from AMD and Intel go head to head, see which ones can still hold their own, and which ones are old enough to not bother with, even on an extreme budget.
Yeah I was thinking about this the other day actually, I’ll have to gather some more cpus and test
@@RandomGaminginHD aye, it probably wouldn't be the cheapest video to produce, and it might be difficult to keep results as fair as possible, but it might be an idea for a subscriber milestone?
I had an HD 6450 in a tv computer back in 2011. I only needed something with hdmi for streaming and emulators. Worked well for years.
I honestly never expected to see a video like this. I actually did this with an A8 6500 and 6450 for about a month.
One interesting note is I "upgraded" from a 9500 GT which was ironically faster lol.
I wish they would bring back 1990s SLI. It worked in every game no profiles or BS
Had one of these 6450 badboys. Was a great display adapter indeed.
I would've liked to see benchmarks with an external GPU that's more equal to the igpu.
That would better show the potential of this
Good video because it tests a dual-graphics setup one would not expect for that card. One would expect a hd6450 to pair with a dualcore a6-6400k richland APU (dual-core) especially because the a6-6400k is very overclockable. While it won't be up to your dual-core, it would be "in keeping" with the era of games such cards could use. If you have two (1GB or 2GB) hd6450 cards or r5-230 cards, crossfire those and see reasonable performance (especially overclocked). On different combinations (officially supported), I'm pretty sure you can choose to plug into the APU onboard or the graphics-card monitor port (to test different speed performance).
As an aside, your mboard there could totally have the back cut (a small saw or dremel) out of the pci-e x1 slot which is gen2. You could have 3 cards plugged in for crossfire _(but I doubt the APU could join in with that fun, but hey it might do it)._ A hd6450 won't saturate that and nor will a r5-230. In fact, even a r7-240 would use about "3x" slot (theoretically 2.5x slot at gen2) so you only need a 4x slot for those. A hd6850 or hd7750 only loses about 15% performance in a gen2 x4 pci-e slot and therefore is acceptable at 85% but of course at that point it is saturated in the slot so you'd go for an 8x slot gen2 as you would with say a nvidia750 or 1030 so you'd be using say 6x slot bandwidth.
It would be pretty cool if they still had this, imagine flipping it on and having your 3200g throw 15 frames on top of your rx570
Not mentioned in this video is the problem with crossfire and SLI, that being stutter, you may get more frames but it will get more stuttery as resorces are shared
Love fm2 platform.
Love your videos dude, from up near manchester here, if you can ever get your hands on a RTX 3080 you should do a video on cpu scaling/bottlenecking
I remember getting one of the AMD Llano APUs around its launch, paired it with a 6670 which I believe at the time was the highest supported card for hybrid crossfire
Jeez your upload was so close to techquickie's upload about crossfire and SLI!
Today must be mgpu day, first techquickie releases their SLI/crossfire video and then I see this posted an hour later.
I did this as well, using an A10-5800K paired with an HIS-branded HD 6570 1gb card. Although officially not supported, Dual Graphics did work. Sadly, I took no measurements, and eventually relied on the 6570 alone as the 5800K had decided that this wasn't just a model number, but a thermal goal in degrees Kelvin. Fortunately, the system limped along (underclocked and undervolted) until I could leave FM2+ for AM4.
I actually used AMD VISION, which is almost the same technology as this but for a motherboard's integrated graphics. When my main PC was broken, I managed to get playable framerates for Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer out of ATI 4250 on the Biostar AM3 mobo and an ATI Radeon 3450. Held up for a whole week while I waited for parts to come in!
If Nvidia releases NVLink for Low-profile Graphic Card,it will amazing
What the fuck?! I used to have that exact A8 and HD 7770 and always wondered if you could do this but never thought you could! This blew my mind.
I would have liked to see a more powerful card to pair with the iGPU. This would answer the question, if there was actually any reason for this setup.
My last PC, based on the AM3 Plattform, with a Phenom II 1055t and A 890GX Northbridge also had this feature (which I never made use of) in an even more weird way: While the CPU did not have integrated graphics, there was a Radeon HD 4290 integrated in the Northbridge. You could use "Hybrid Graphics" or "Crossfire" between the GPU in the Northbridge and a cheap videocard.
I rock my 4690k and SLI 970 s in my home theater PC connected to my 4K TV. I see anywhere from 30 to 80 FPS. I like the 4690k because it is VR ready and works well with my HTC Vive. The vibe stays at a stable 90 FPS
My last build was an A8 7600 coupled with an R7 240 with 16 GB 1866 DDR3. I am not a gamer but it was more than enough for RUclips and some older games.
Nice overview :) though I certainly wouldn't do that with any of my (present or future) systems, especially if, in some games, adding the display adapter type GPU made things worse. Personally, I'd just either stick with the iGPU, assuming it was OK enough, or just got a better dedicated GPU to go with the CPU (assuming the CPU was capable enough to be paired with a semi-decent GPU).
The HD6450 (and other types of low power, passively cooled GPUs are only worth using as display adapter.
i did this around 5 years ago with a a8 7600 and a r7 240, drivers were a nightmare on linux however
Your fault for running Linux.
I used to own the HD 6450!
Ah memories!
I wonder how "well" a 5700XT would work with this...
It won't work well due to severe CPU limitations obviously. This chip has good enough integrated GPU for what it can handle without visible bottlenecks.
Any CPU without L3 cache can't do much in modern games for about 7 to 8 years already.
5700xt doesn’t support crossfire anymore
@@Sirtoastsalot U can use it as main GPU, but CPU part of that APU isn't capable enough.
it wouldn't work at all. I had one of these apus and from what I remember the best card you could use for dual graphics was the r7 250x
The 8570D can be paired with an R7 240, which is a big boost over the 6450, which is a rebadged 5450. The R5 230 is also just a rebadged 5450, so the R7 240 would see quite a boost here and they go for quite cheap aswell.
I just find it incredible you can use a Ryzen cooler with FM2 processors since the mounting clips still fit.
Nice video. I'd love to see how it handles when paired with a stronger GPU, like the HD 6670.
Reminds me of lucidlogix virtu mvp. Worked really well (except for the extra bugs in skyrim) but eventually windows updates stopped it from working, and it quietly disappeared from all mention online. I wonder if microsoft quietly bought them up before releasing dx12?
Add some capacitors to the back of the card and overclock it to hell and back
Lol, I don’t think that’s quite going to cut it, haha! Your best option is to use liquid nitrogen (or at least dry ice since that’s available in some grocery stores and you don’t need to buy a tank for it), then do a voltage bypass control mod on the card (the tricky part is since that’s such a low end card you probably won’t find a guide of where to solder from any EXOC people, so you’ll have to look up the pinouts and datasheet yourself and do some probing). Those are going to get you way farther than the ~20 MHz (probably max) that a cap mod would do, you’d be looking at potentially huge gains (I know I ran my first GPU, an RX270, at a 50% overclock just on phase cooling with no other modifications as my daily machine until I found out the hard way what sub-zero on your GPU for your daily system does to the BGA solder in terms of thermal cyclic fatigue, haha!)
@@jakegarrett8109 are you really suggesting dry ice? its pricier than the card itself lol
@@matt4193 meh, it’s for fun. Lots of EXOC guys drive the price up of older cards buying just to have fun (last time I checked they drove up old GT460 cards above the price of RX470 because that was the benching competition card that season). It’s all for fun, people buy $20 cards then burn $50 in liquid nitrogen just having a good time. Haha, not to mention that you still need a cooler to hold the dry ice in**
**my cooler that can do dry ice cost me just over $400 USD, and currently I’ve got that zip tied on top of my old R9 270 right now for when I feel like getting around to chopping it in half with a hack saw and soldering on an EVGA Epower V board (which is like a $250 VRM zombie power board) to what’s probably a $20 GPU, haha! Sometimes you just gotta have fun, be whacky, and enjoy being silly 😜
@terry broderick if you’re not just wanting to overclock for fun (even my tablet is water cooled, lol, it’s just a fun sport). My friends used to joke “if you had a watch you’d probably overclock it”, and I took a moment then replied “you’re probably right, and I bet I could overclock a smart watch since those run android”, lol, that’s me, someone who loves tinkering!
@terry broderick I’m actually amazed at how little I’ve broken abusing things, I’ve only slightly damaged one GPU overclocking years ago but it’s actually working fine now. By comparison in the same time I’ve had the following computer parts break using while within spec and not doing anything crazy: 2 GPUs, 1 TV sound board, 1 monitor, 3 power supplies, 2 SSD drives, and a few fans. So seems it’s ok even when everything goes wrong, because I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve had coolant leak water all over my computers (and all those parts are still running just fine) or how many times I’ve had to wipe puddles of water off my parts, or swap RAM sticks that were frozen over had to wipe off the pools of water off the motherboard while in the middle of benching, and none of those times has anything broke. Like Ive had to have had at least a dozen water leaks, at least! Haha, computer parts are actually pretty tough, and most of my stuff has custom BIOS to allow unlimited power and remove all safeties, but it’s always seemed to be fine (I’ve set the record for a few 3D mark records for particular hardware, so I’m not babying the parts too much, it’s much more than any normal consumer would do).
I also love crossfire like you. My main PC is Halloween themed built in a vampire style casket and uses is 4x R9 Fury in crossfire (it’s crazy performance, over double the fps of my Titan Xp, currently nothing else beats it and it’s only about $500 in GPUs while beating 2x RTX 2080ti and since RTX 3090 doesn’t seem to have SLI support it’s probably still one of the fastest while at the same time not crazy multi-thousand dollar in graphics). It’s paired with my Threadripper 1950x and that runs great at 4.2 GHz all 32 threads with 3600 MHz quad channel memory it’s a beast (that’s just on water, I’m hoping to make an extreme cascade cooler to run it at -100c someday as my daily machine). Powering that since it’s Halloween themed are 2x SuperNova 1300 PSUs (gotta go duel 13’s on Halloween builds, haha, that and while running Crysis it pulls about 1700w from the wall, haha!) I love my crazy crossfire setups and last I was benching for fun I set the record for crossfire RX470 on 3dMark, then gave one of those to my little cousin as a nice upgrade for Christmas.
Hi RGinHD have you thought about reviewing one of these? Rock Pi X X86 SBC
1:32 i had no idea fm2/fm2+ had stealth cooler support
Nice video, never thought about this set up of dual gpu, you think an athlon ll x2 645, igpu mobo (asrock n68 gs/7025) and gt710 1gb ddr3 can be combined? SLI. Thats my current pc. Sorry my pc is too old.
I have that integrated into my old computer, now recycled as a plex server, It's an Asus H87M-E
with a 4570s it's an option in the bios.
This reminds me of a guy on a local parts swap Facebook group I ran into who was absolutely convinced that the Asus "Dual"-branded AMD graphics cards were specifically designed to work in Crossfire with APU's. Not sure how the fact that they also use that "Dual" cooler and name on Nvidia cards figured into his idea.
Details
6600k: 2 piledriver module (fx4300 without l3 cache) 3.9ghz
+ terascale gpu.. 256:16:8
Hd6450 gpu... 160:8:4
By the way terascale drivers ended in Jan 2016 so nearly 5 years ago.
Being fx cpu and terascale gpu its the worst mix. Earlier apus atleast had k10 cores. Later apus atleast had GCN gpus.
My friend had a work pc with a 3670k
4core athlon 2.7ghz + gpu 320:16:8 at 443mhz.
With some assistance he got cpu to 3.2ghz (18.5%) and the gpu to 722mhz (+63%) and it wasnt so bad then.
Then it got replaced with a 2500u laptop with a 4c8t ryzen and 512:16:8 vega at 1300mhz oc. Much better
When i see these vids i'm happy with my r7 m340 running cs go on 100 fps :)
I might want to try this because I have a similar setup (7560 onboard and 5450 discrete). Is there a specific version of Radeon software I have to install?
Please review the AMD HD 7790 in Single & Croos-Fire Setup.
Just dug out my A10 7850k + R7 250oc machine and it's still working great... Looks back at his Ryzen 5800x machine.
i had the same thing and at the time I thought. now would be a good time to invest in amd nobody seems to realize they’re about to shit all over intel.
I remember using an HP PC with an AMD APU and an R5 GPU that had no video connector. I was intrigued. The graphics still worked when the R5 was removed but considerably slower.
you should look to try out a hybrid crossfirex motherboard, like the ta790gx, where the onboard gpu works with a pci one.
The reason behind the low FPS in your dual-mode configuration possibly because in your case the powerful GPU (which is the integrated APU) underperforms due to the presence of the weakly HD 6450. Always we should try to pair equally performing cards in SLI or Crossfire.
I had a a8-5600k with a 6570 back in 2013 I think it was, and enjoyed it a lot for gaming :) I remember playing the original Burnout Paradise Ultimate Box on it at max settings and got 60 fps constant. I also remember playing a bit of Mists of Pandaria and the original Skyrim on it (Skyrim being the only game I remember having any teething issues with regarding micro stuttering) but I enjoyed that system a lot! Amazing what speed them chips could get to with a cheap AIO liquid cooler :D
hey, how can you run catalyst on windows 10 ? i have 3 pc that coming to me using older amd gpu but there is just no way i can find a way to install catalyst on windows 10.
did u just fitted a wraith stealth cooler on fm2/fm2+ socket?
You've been caught up in the CROSSFIRE
You might want to revisit this with using Amerine drivers, it has a function in the installer which allows for forcing crossfire or Gemini mode (don't know much about it) only that it enables it with my Rx 580 which is a Polaris card along with my Vega igpu.
I had a computer with a AMD A10 APU, and considered a hybrid crossfire, but it turned out to be better for me to buy a dedicated GPU that was faster than any possible hybrid crossfire setup, and it was also less problematic. I ended up with a GTX 1050 Ti.
Hello. I have a question. I can have a pentium g2030 for free and was wondering if it is worth exchanging my core 2 quad q6600 for the pentium? Will I have a gain of fps in games?
I love sapphire so much 💎
I paired A8 7600 with R7 250 when Dying Light I came out, and it worked ok, while it wasn't playable at all with APU only.
Just goes to show how damn good AMD's APUs have been and still are
nah, they were pretty garbage, but they were also dirt cheap so they had decent value. Ex owner of an A8-7650k here
Question: is the 2GB variant of the 6450 the MSI put out Crossfire compatible?
Hi Random great videos. One question;
What Apu can crossfire with a 260x or is there even any apu/igpu that can pair with a 260x, I am not crossfiring 2 260x's as I only have one gpu, but would like to know if it could be paired with an apu.
lol i did this back in the day... i think i used the system 3 days before tearing it down parting it out. brought back memories though thanks!
Maybe you can do a video on upgrading a motherboard. I built a budget rig last year with a 2200g and a rx570 on a a320 motherboard and I want to get rid of gpu for something with more power but also get rid of the cheap motherboard for a b450 or x470
I actually have an HD 6450 GPU in an old Sony Vaio desktop pc with a Pentium D cpu from 2005. Still works well with Windows XP mce 2005.
Nice, too bad the GPU didn't add any performance. If you can use the motherboards' connector, would putting a 'mining-card' in this setup make sense?
You are awesome keep It up ( First probabily)
@@IlIiliIliIl well, fine ✨
Crossfire works with gtx 750ti?
Crossfire is only for AMD cards, not NVIDIA
@@Dictatortot-n3d dang... rip anyways imma get a new system entirely