It's very situational tank, not so agile. I dont think so it's OP. U have a game which is very good but than u have quick game or map where u just can't do so much for the team.
I think it falls apart if the T32 goes as ham as the Obj 277 on the other side. Maybe QB and friendly 277 can kill him before he gets behind QB but this still allows the rest of the push to continue. If he does get behind QB it's over. I guess that's part of what makes it good though, it's literally the shock and indecision of enemy team when the turtle pops up on the flank that wins it.
I would definately have flanked the turtle and not sit in front of it not like these bad players but i have to admit that location is so op i already used it a couple of times
What is even funnier is that quickbaby not long ago posted a video of a centurion i think dont remember staying in that corner in ambush, and quickbaby just rushed it and killed it, dont remember what tank he had. Edit: I fucking found it,, the video title is "Why the MAUS is the ULTIMATE tank".
That is because 9/10 the 277 doesn't fall back, and the other teammates don't join in and anyone in QBs position would have just got rushed by like 3-4 tanks there, there were just enough guns there to make effective and he had some scary DPM which always puts people off if they are taking damage that quickly which can stop the yolo rushes. But most WOT teams are so awful you are likely to be alone or maybe with 1 tank in that sort of situation and the horde just swarms you.
@@jimmybean6090 so you want him to stay quiet about the elephant in the room??? Not informing the community about broken game mechanics isn't good for the average gamer.
There's one thing that keeps the turtle balanced, and that's playing against tier 9s and 10s. Which is 80% of games when playing tier 8 now. It has the same problem all of the assault tier 8s do. Great armor for the same tier, but useless armor against higher tiers, especially if you're not hull down.
You can literally pinpoint the moment the game started nosediving. When they added the t8 heavy tank premium trio. The Patriot, Liberte and the Russian abomination. All of which were better than their premium and tech tree peers. Ever since then the amount of stupidly armoured new additions to the game that are horrible to play against sky rocketed and they proceeded to slap armour on to nearly every already existing t10 gun dep medium also
Letting people buy premium with silver singlehandedly removed armour tanking as a concept, the only things that get to be invincible now are the premiums or the newest tier 10 that have 8000 mm of armour everywhere and it's all rounded with no weakspots
Its always the case In Videos of content creators that I get really fucking confused on how they got such muppets as enemies. For me its one out of 100 games that I have such "paid actors" if not even like 1 in 200 games. Normal for me is 80 percent of my enemies firing gold and hitting the most stupid pixel shots at my weakspots.
@@stunt95hstdt89you also don’t play 80 games a day to roll the dice for these scenarios. Also when given, you probably to capitalize it to the fullest as well unless you’re 60%+ players
Im a free to play player who got this thing for free during the tresure vault thing last patch. Im not complaining lol. After a "drive forward and die" stock game with 75% crew, I hop in this and feel what its like on the other side of the fence
The change made to turtle push it in line with other assults premium TD TS-5. All the thing they buff, make closer to the stats of TS-5. If look at the stats before Turtle and TS-5 they close to each other in stats with TS-5 better of the 2 tanks over all. We see a lot more TS-5 on the battle field by about 6k more battles which 52% win rate as well, does more avg damage per game. Now we see these two assault tank more inline with each other. 8,8 cm Pak 43 Jagdtiger another assault TD could use a buff as well. I'm not sure on a few of the other assault TD classes, since I don't own them
I have been very 'lucky" to play against you in this video series in the juicy VK. I am not a good player whatsoever, but as you said, the turtle is bonkers now. I hope I wont have to fight another for a while :D
Im sick and tired of the constant increase in mobility of the super heavy tanks in this game, it makes no sense. Crazy armor was ok when i could isolate a heavy and circle it to death in a medium. Equipment needs to segregated by class as well. no TD should be using a durabillity device or turbo. no medium tank should be using exhaust and cvs, no heavy should be using turbo or optics of any kind. The classes mean nothing at this point because every tank does everything.
I can understand that speed buff but not the others. After buffing every tanks speed to an amount that does not force you to spend 6 minutes to get to the fight while the games only last 3,5 minutes. I get the point that the speedbuff has a lot more implications then getting into the fight but with ever other tank getting faster and faster being limited to 20 is extremly annoying. I think they should have given that speed buff, non of the other buffs and maybe nerft the visionrange or DPM a tad to compensate (or any other aspect I have forgotten)
now think again. less played, not less bought. If they sell it now or within a month, MAYBE you are onto something. Otherwise,yes, it was seldomplayed, as its (and many, afaik QB aswell complained) far to slow for the current meta. So it was buffed. They should have left it with the speed buffs for the moment,but should still be OK. Its not like there is no OP tier 8 premiums that were sold recently...
"As more players are aware of what the Turtle is capable of..." QuickyBaby... you are making more players aware. Dang, now the cat is out of the bag :)
Don’t worry, luckily he gave bad advice such as not running turbo, which means its no bigger threat than it was last patch… I don’t know what in qb’s mind is prompting him to choose vents over turbo or before this patch vents over hardening… the extra track hp, full track repairs along with more hp is way better than what vents can offer you and now the extra top speed but more importantly reverse speed is way more valuable than some vents
@@kasparpaukson3543 I guess you didn't watch the part where he talks about the turbo, but it's alright. The good thing is that everyone can play the game to their preference/gamplay style.
Because he values generic improvement to his tank more than reverse speeed for niche scenarios? Evidently it works for him. I can't say I see the appeal of turbo unless I utilize the extra HP or the forward speed in a meaningful way (one exception being the swedish TD-s, because it changes the siege mode as well)
I use to dread playing my turtle because of the terrible shell velocity. So different from every other vehicle I couldn't snipe. I feel that's all it needed. But man I played a few games after your stream yesterday and they were all much more enjoyable. I'll definitely get back to working towards the tier X now that I enjoy the premium.
They should buff tanks like CDC. Basicly if i see that on the field already brings a smile on my face. That one has trash pen, low dmg/shot, armour is like a cocacola can. Even tier 6 light can pen on any angle
Overall I agree with QB's message. Tanks like these aren't solutions to the 15-3 simulations that we get everyday. It seems that WG still have their head in the sand when it comes to balancing and are rather prioritizing their money making capacities rather than their integral game health and balancing.
take these battles with a grain of salt as to whether or not it was "overbuffed". the first battle was tier 8's, and it was driving up a hill so the speed changes weren't even observable here because they didn't buff it's HP/t, nor terrain resistances just the top speed. its pen was buffed, which is still low end for TD's anyways as the TS-5 has the same top speed but with even more pen and better armor.
I disagree, Turle is an assult TD, other wide used assault TD is TS-5, these changes place Turle now at par with TS-5, with TS-5 still be better overall.
TS-5: Much better armor, better speed, almost identical DPM, better alpha, more HP, better camo. Is better in almost every single way. Wargaming: We should probably give the turtle something better than the TS-5 or at least make it above average like the TS-5 QB really needs to stop letting his emotions guide his opinions so much. He calls the Turtle "So darn fast" and says the new British medium tanks "can't get around quickly" while going 65kph.
This is such a bad take. TS-5 is OP (as much as turretless TD can be OP...) so bringing Turtle to its level was a bad idea. It was already a very good TD - just boring because it was slow. Bumping its top speed to a more reasonable level (25 km/h is still slow but not painfully-near-obsolete-slow) was the only buff it needed.
Premium tanks were never supposed to be flat better than tech tree tanks. Funny how the community has just accepted the power creep over the years for the sake of monetization.
@@antinotice QB literally says in this video "The TS-5 is only good from a gold perspective and when your opponents sit in front of you", Meanwhile shows his top matches where that is exactly what happens in all 3 of his matches with players who playing awfully in the tier 10 matches. I am not saying the Turtle isn't a great tank now but QB's opinion and reasoning is a pretty hot take.
I think you're 100% wrong. I didn't like playing the turtle before; it just sat in the garage. The side armor is still bad, it's lower plate is still bad, T10 still pen straight in.
QB, in your honest opinion... Do you think one of the Turtle's direct competitors, the TS-5 should be nerfed as well? It has very comparable stats (mobility and armor) to where the Turtle Mk 1 stands now. (Forgive me if you answered this in your video. I have yet to watch the entire thing.)
Keep in mind you are asking a guy who once played one of the halloween game modes without reading how to play the mode, then called it boring and confusing when he couldn't figure it out in his "official review" of the game mode.
It's seriously nuts that Wargaming thought a 51% WR tank needed buffing at all. Remember, given the existence of draws, "average" WR in World of Tanks is roughly 49%. But they didn't just buff it, they took an already above-average performing vehicle and *giga-buffed* it. The Turtle is now overall *better* than the Tortoise until you unlock the Tortoise's top gun. And the Tortoise is the *best* Tier 9 tank destroyer in terms of winrate, WN8, damage per game, and damage blocked. Frankly, now that this buff has gone live and presumably will never be revered, Wargaming should move the Turtle up to Tier 9 and give it the HP pool appropriate to that tier. If they want a replacement Tier 8 British TD, go with a "Tortoise prototype" using the stock 32-pounder (which is the IRL Tortoise's only gun).
Would you be pleased if WG were to do this with every other older premium tank out there, as well as nerfing them after a while instead of premium spam we get nowadays? Lets say Among +100 tier 8 premiums there would always be a relevant 20, but different each year, how does that sound?
I think its important to consider that QB is not an average player, so he is able to exploit buffs to their maximum, while your average player like myself, probably wont notice a huge difference.
Just a reminder that this entire game would be impossible in an AT15. Turtle mk1 even before buffs was already better in all the ways that actually mattered. Average premium tank just being a tier 10 but downtiered.
I have had the Turtle 1 since 2021? I bought it to crew train my British crew when I was grinding thru to the Badger. Haven't played it since the buffs. Must give it a go again I reckon.
Not a mistake, they will sell a boat load of these premium tanks. Second point… of course this tank goes faster in the water than on the land, it’s a Turtle 😊
I got this tank from the last Treasure Trove event and it's my only tier 8 premium. I stuck the bond turbo I got from the event on it so it can go zooooooom and even turn corners against enemies without the need for a turret. (I have durability also instead of vents) That being said I ended up losing more probably because I got overconfident and people are more aware how to pen it.
90-95% of the content that enters the test server goes through unchanged. Why did the 56 TP have to be in the 5-10%? The only mission marathon I ever grinded :
I think QB missed something here. Dispersion while moving and while track traverse were also buffed from 0.25 to 0.18 each according to tanksgg Edit: oh he finally mentioned it at 16:25
There are many problematic tanks: My highest DPG tank is cobra. And I have games against heavies on corridor maps which are instantly lost I can pen one shot and end with 600dmg, they are not rare. But there are games where I have 4k damage not even knowing where I got it. It's like getting into abbey monastery, having standard b pushing and boom-boom-boom-boom, 1700dmg in 6 seconds. In my opinion other super problematic tanks are bourrasque (not only it's on par at dpg with progetto, but it's faster, has better camo and replace light tank in tier 10 battles. Then SkodaT56 and Bz176 are very strong as enemies. Bz176 has higher alpha than e100, gun depression, it's faster and armor ... when it's hulldown i don't feel it's worse.
I'm moving up the Brit turtle line, everyone spams gold instantly, bounce nothing. Yes, when your top tier, you own 1 on 1... But so do most tanks. Combination of all the buffs might be pushing it a bit but any one alone wouldn't make much difference
So before the mobility was bad gun was average at best and armor defeated by all 270+ ammo and i dont mean weak spots i mean the whole front of the tank. Its still going to be just as poor agains the tier 9 tanks with 330 to 340 pen. Turtle has high winratio because its basicaly a heavy tank just like tortoise.
As a tortoise player the only thing I hate about turtle mk1 is its dispersion when moving. Seems like WG is always in love with assualt tank destoryers but every time WG fails to balance them!
WG wants to sell more Turtles. 100% the reason. They are nerfing tech tree TD's and buffing Premium TD's. They are making so obvious anymore and don't give AF. They care about $$$ and that is it. Lets see if the Turtle goes on sale soon. I'll bet. 🤘😎 Tankers
I think the buff was decent before you were nearly always to late to work with your team. Now you can work with them and don't be alone on a flank cause everyone is already dead. But yeah it was decent before but Turtels always get golded down
I remember when it was on sales for credits on the black market, but decided not to buy the tank to save for smth else, but what a terrible mistake I did not buying turtle.
Skota t56 should get buffed, prem ammo made standard and for prem ammo it gets the bz 176 hesh rounds. Also buff it's clipsize to 4 and half the reload time. Sounds good? Deal.
None of those battles were impacted by the buffs. Does going faster make a difference sure but the armor and gun are pretty much unchanged. Tank has always been a sleeper that no one wants to play because it is slower than most tanks in the game. It’s popularity will go up because of the buff to its speed but nothing that is game breaking. I am not going to rage every time I see a turtle on the red team like I do with I see a 279e and pretty much know the results of the battle are predetermined!
This is an overreaction about the balancing of this vehicle. The Tortoise at Tier IX is more formidable than this is, even when it sees only Tier VIIIs. This armor on this tank is still abysmal against Tier IXs and Xs.
This thing just became the best 8 or 10 million credits I spent in the game back when I bought this from the Black Market a few years ago. I don't think it even sold out on the NA server
I understand what you're saying and you're right, but a lot of players can't afford the latest very expensive super tanks. and he is happy that he also has a super tank. I'm thinking now of the latest supertanks The Lion and his companions.
if you see how it will sell soon, you won't think that WG messed up ;) and you are currently advertising it now I still ripped a lot turtles the last day... I dont see a problem
2km/h and 5km/h will make it tierX???? wtf? i played it before the buff and after, the firing rate and penetration is now so much better, but the mobility is in no way even noticable better...
I can see it now in 2025: New premium Russian tier 8 medium tank T-72B3 Only has 600mm of pen and 800mm of frontal armor and only a 7 second autoloader and can only go forward at 65kph
The Ts-5 still has better pen, better damage, almost the same damage/minute, waaaaay better armor, speed is 26 and nobody had a problem. Just checked, the TS-5 has higher WR and average damage.
OK I KNOW I miss a LOT of things on the forums and the WG News page, and am FAR from a UNICUM, but I have literally NO IDEA how this tank is available, or IF it is available,, Purchae?? Reward?? Tokens?? Bonds??? Sry for my ignorance, but how does one aquire this tank... I LIKE TDs and want a trainer, a GOOD trainer to advance to the tortoise... THanks for any help guys and gals...
advice buying the german heavy the tech tree 45.02 P . I have the 2nd tier 8 gun unlocked. how is the best way to grind to unlock the guns without earning 55kxp without just sucking. The gold pen on the gun is 244. help
Su 130 PM, Progetto 46, Skoda T 56, Iron Arnie, BZ 176 and now this and WG still insist on a +2 MM so you will meet all these tanks when you are in a tier 6 tank. Seriously?
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the turtle goes faster in the water beacause turtles swim really well
hahaha this make absolutly sense :)
LOL
I stuck a bond turbo on mine in an effort to win the race against the rabbit
Hahaha..
It's very situational tank, not so agile. I dont think so it's OP. U have a game which is very good but than u have quick game or map where u just can't do so much for the team.
The ambush at 13:50 is one of the best WOT ambushes I've ever seen wow
I think it falls apart if the T32 goes as ham as the Obj 277 on the other side. Maybe QB and friendly 277 can kill him before he gets behind QB but this still allows the rest of the push to continue. If he does get behind QB it's over. I guess that's part of what makes it good though, it's literally the shock and indecision of enemy team when the turtle pops up on the flank that wins it.
I would definately have flanked the turtle and not sit in front of it not like these bad players but i have to admit that location is so op i already used it a couple of times
I actually hadn’t even thought about using that location…could probably make it work in a Tort too but that damn mg port up top…
What is even funnier is that quickbaby not long ago posted a video of a centurion i think dont remember staying in that corner in ambush, and quickbaby just rushed it and killed it, dont remember what tank he had.
Edit: I fucking found it,, the video title is "Why the MAUS is the ULTIMATE tank".
That is because 9/10 the 277 doesn't fall back, and the other teammates don't join in and anyone in QBs position would have just got rushed by like 3-4 tanks there, there were just enough guns there to make effective and he had some scary DPM which always puts people off if they are taking damage that quickly which can stop the yolo rushes. But most WOT teams are so awful you are likely to be alone or maybe with 1 tank in that sort of situation and the horde just swarms you.
This is not mistake from wg. This is just great plan to make more money selling premium tanks without making new premium tank
And no one would have known , but thanks to Qb they will now sell a ton .. they play him like a fiddle and he’s too stupid to realise .. 😂
exactly this , and Qb advert just in case you didn't know ........ 😉🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Played blitz for years…. WG knows exactly what they’re doing
@@jimmybean6090 so you want him to stay quiet about the elephant in the room???
Not informing the community about broken game mechanics isn't good for the average gamer.
Super turtle?
There's one thing that keeps the turtle balanced, and that's playing against tier 9s and 10s. Which is 80% of games when playing tier 8 now. It has the same problem all of the assault tier 8s do. Great armor for the same tier, but useless armor against higher tiers, especially if you're not hull down.
WG have been messing up for at least the 5 last years
Only the last 5 years?
10 years.....
@@seandunaway262811😅
You can literally pinpoint the moment the game started nosediving. When they added the t8 heavy tank premium trio. The Patriot, Liberte and the Russian abomination. All of which were better than their premium and tech tree peers. Ever since then the amount of stupidly armoured new additions to the game that are horrible to play against sky rocketed and they proceeded to slap armour on to nearly every already existing t10 gun dep medium also
Letting people buy premium with silver singlehandedly removed armour tanking as a concept, the only things that get to be invincible now are the premiums or the newest tier 10 that have 8000 mm of armour everywhere and it's all rounded with no weakspots
First battle is super lucky. Usually enemies use gold rounds and land 100% of it.
Gold go brrrr
Its always the case In Videos of content creators that I get really fucking confused on how they got such muppets as enemies.
For me its one out of 100 games that I have such "paid actors" if not even like 1 in 200 games.
Normal for me is 80 percent of my enemies firing gold and hitting the most stupid pixel shots at my weakspots.
@@stunt95hstdt89you also don’t play 80 games a day to roll the dice for these scenarios. Also when given, you probably to capitalize it to the fullest as well unless you’re 60%+ players
@@stunt95hstdt89They leave out the shitty battle bc they’re meant to entertain not show battles that showed them getting their ass kicked
@@samuelho4771 to be fair. No I don't play that much, but I have almost 60% WL.
Im a free to play player who got this thing for free during the tresure vault thing last patch. Im not complaining lol. After a "drive forward and die" stock game with 75% crew, I hop in this and feel what its like on the other side of the fence
I got this (and the M4A1 FL 10) from that event and I am the luckiest man alive
@@danshakuimo I also got the soviet T8 light, LT whatever XD
25 KPH is most definitely not "racing around the battlefield".
EXACTLY! The turtle can now arrive at the battle before it is over and half his team is already dead because he couldn't contribute!
The change made to turtle push it in line with other assults premium TD TS-5. All the thing they buff, make closer to the stats of TS-5.
If look at the stats before Turtle and TS-5 they close to each other in stats with TS-5 better of the 2 tanks over all. We see a lot more TS-5 on the battle field by about 6k more battles which 52% win rate as well, does more avg damage per game. Now we see these two assault tank more inline with each other. 8,8 cm Pak 43 Jagdtiger another assault TD could use a buff as well. I'm not sure on a few of the other assault TD classes, since I don't own them
It's still about ts5 standard and you are fine with that.... and mostly only ever see t10 in mine
It is still balanced compared to the OP Jagdtiger 88
I have been very 'lucky" to play against you in this video series in the juicy VK. I am not a good player whatsoever, but as you said, the turtle is bonkers now. I hope I wont have to fight another for a while :D
That was a painful death
Good ore no good if u have fun its good 😉
Stream sniping?
@@alejandroid5575 More like sacrificing because he gave QB all his HP for free 😆
@pathofexile7529 i was not, i realized he played on that map after I got zerod :D anyhow the game is unistalled. Had enough of this bs
Im sick and tired of the constant increase in mobility of the super heavy tanks in this game, it makes no sense. Crazy armor was ok when i could isolate a heavy and circle it to death in a medium. Equipment needs to segregated by class as well. no TD should be using a durabillity device or turbo. no medium tank should be using exhaust and cvs, no heavy should be using turbo or optics of any kind. The classes mean nothing at this point because every tank does everything.
I can understand that speed buff but not the others.
After buffing every tanks speed to an amount that does not force you to spend 6 minutes to get to the fight while the games only last 3,5 minutes.
I get the point that the speedbuff has a lot more implications then getting into the fight but with ever other tank getting faster and faster being limited to 20 is extremly annoying.
I think they should have given that speed buff, non of the other buffs and maybe nerft the visionrange or DPM a tad to compensate (or any other aspect I have forgotten)
The actual reason for the buff is to make more players buy this tank. Turtle I was one of the less played tier 8 premium tanks out there.
now think again. less played, not less bought. If they sell it now or within a month, MAYBE you are onto something.
Otherwise,yes, it was seldomplayed, as its (and many, afaik QB aswell complained) far to slow for the current meta. So it was buffed.
They should have left it with the speed buffs for the moment,but should still be OK.
Its not like there is no OP tier 8 premiums that were sold recently...
Loved it and marked it even before the buffs, the enemy's never estimated that fast reload time of this thing😅
where do i buy? i dont see it in the premium shop :(
They're selling it on NA server RN!@@starofchaos
@@NightBaseTVthank you, sir
That crossfire set up was genius! They really blasted around that corner; you could tell they’ve never seen that before 😂
"As more players are aware of what the Turtle is capable of..." QuickyBaby... you are making more players aware. Dang, now the cat is out of the bag :)
Don’t worry, luckily he gave bad advice such as not running turbo, which means its no bigger threat than it was last patch… I don’t know what in qb’s mind is prompting him to choose vents over turbo or before this patch vents over hardening… the extra track hp, full track repairs along with more hp is way better than what vents can offer you and now the extra top speed but more importantly reverse speed is way more valuable than some vents
@@kasparpaukson3543if he could he would use three vents in those slots lol
@@kasparpaukson3543 I guess you didn't watch the part where he talks about the turbo, but it's alright. The good thing is that everyone can play the game to their preference/gamplay style.
@@FerraristaHun he used turbo only in 1 scenario not thinking of the reverse benefits on westfield etc
Because he values generic improvement to his tank more than reverse speeed for niche scenarios? Evidently it works for him.
I can't say I see the appeal of turbo unless I utilize the extra HP or the forward speed in a meaningful way
(one exception being the swedish TD-s, because it changes the siege mode as well)
I got the turtle for credits in a past auction. It was gathering dust in my garage. It went from a 0 to hero.
Same, i had like 1k avg,now i have 3k xd
Don't be toxic man be good one for your team
I use to dread playing my turtle because of the terrible shell velocity. So different from every other vehicle I couldn't snipe. I feel that's all it needed. But man I played a few games after your stream yesterday and they were all much more enjoyable. I'll definitely get back to working towards the tier X now that I enjoy the premium.
They should buff tanks like CDC. Basicly if i see that on the field already brings a smile on my face. That one has trash pen, low dmg/shot, armour is like a cocacola can. Even tier 6 light can pen on any angle
I remember I was playing a favorable match up in the turtle before the buff and I got 4.5k damage. Someone was like "yeah, it really needs a buff"
This TD will be in Christmas Box
>Showing us how OP the tank can be
>puts equipment in the wrong slots in every match
>Is still OP without the extra bonus
Was using bounty equipment . . So slot bonus does not apply - if that was what you’re referring to?
Overall I agree with QB's message. Tanks like these aren't solutions to the 15-3 simulations that we get everyday. It seems that WG still have their head in the sand when it comes to balancing and are rather prioritizing their money making capacities rather than their integral game health and balancing.
truth is that there are no such thing as 15-3 simulator, watch less Skill, guy shitting misinformation like mad man
take these battles with a grain of salt as to whether or not it was "overbuffed". the first battle was tier 8's, and it was driving up a hill so the speed changes weren't even observable here because they didn't buff it's HP/t, nor terrain resistances just the top speed. its pen was buffed, which is still low end for TD's anyways as the TS-5 has the same top speed but with even more pen and better armor.
Well this buff of existing premium that is likely to be sold (not gambled) is not the biggest money grab that we have seen from wg
I disagree, Turle is an assult TD, other wide used assault TD is TS-5, these changes place Turle now at par with TS-5, with TS-5 still be better overall.
Balancing is not the same as matchmaking. I agree MM and "unbalanced" matches seems to be a pretty big problem needing focus.
TS-5: Much better armor, better speed, almost identical DPM, better alpha, more HP, better camo. Is better in almost every single way.
Wargaming: We should probably give the turtle something better than the TS-5 or at least make it above average like the TS-5
QB really needs to stop letting his emotions guide his opinions so much. He calls the Turtle "So darn fast" and says the new British medium tanks "can't get around quickly" while going 65kph.
This is such a bad take. TS-5 is OP (as much as turretless TD can be OP...) so bringing Turtle to its level was a bad idea. It was already a very good TD - just boring because it was slow. Bumping its top speed to a more reasonable level (25 km/h is still slow but not painfully-near-obsolete-slow) was the only buff it needed.
Premium tanks were never supposed to be flat better than tech tree tanks. Funny how the community has just accepted the power creep over the years for the sake of monetization.
@SchwhatNow I'm with you on that but here we are.
@@antinotice QB literally says in this video "The TS-5 is only good from a gold perspective and when your opponents sit in front of you", Meanwhile shows his top matches where that is exactly what happens in all 3 of his matches with players who playing awfully in the tier 10 matches. I am not saying the Turtle isn't a great tank now but QB's opinion and reasoning is a pretty hot take.
wow that ambush at the last game was simply pure genius! Kudos to you mate!
10:20 Photobomb! I love it!
I bought it with gold in the in game shop yesterday. It was one of those random offers you get (Fcm 50T, vk 168, etc)
It's not there today.
Worth it now!
I think you're 100% wrong. I didn't like playing the turtle before; it just sat in the garage. The side armor is still bad, it's lower plate is still bad, T10 still pen straight in.
QB, in your honest opinion... Do you think one of the Turtle's direct competitors, the TS-5 should be nerfed as well? It has very comparable stats (mobility and armor) to where the Turtle Mk 1 stands now. (Forgive me if you answered this in your video. I have yet to watch the entire thing.)
well, the problem is that nerfing a premium tank ismt really possible unless maybe if its newly buffed
last time, they nerfed a premium, then the players who bought that premium tank sued WG...
@@hcui7456 WG never got sued... It was an outrage that occured with the nerfing on the Type 59. After this, WG never nerfed a premium tank
Keep in mind you are asking a guy who once played one of the halloween game modes without reading how to play the mode, then called it boring and confusing when he couldn't figure it out in his "official review" of the game mode.
Turtle I is very good rn, AP round has 1050 m/s and premium APCR 1200 m/s. With normal turbo going with 30 straight.
It's seriously nuts that Wargaming thought a 51% WR tank needed buffing at all. Remember, given the existence of draws, "average" WR in World of Tanks is roughly 49%. But they didn't just buff it, they took an already above-average performing vehicle and *giga-buffed* it. The Turtle is now overall *better* than the Tortoise until you unlock the Tortoise's top gun. And the Tortoise is the *best* Tier 9 tank destroyer in terms of winrate, WN8, damage per game, and damage blocked.
Frankly, now that this buff has gone live and presumably will never be revered, Wargaming should move the Turtle up to Tier 9 and give it the HP pool appropriate to that tier. If they want a replacement Tier 8 British TD, go with a "Tortoise prototype" using the stock 32-pounder (which is the IRL Tortoise's only gun).
that ambush was super smart, i would have never thought of that with my stoopid brain
Console version got 243 pen on standard rounds, premium rounds got 285 pen but kept the awful shell velocity
I believe console receives the updates later than the pc version so just wait a few months and it might become more like what we saw in the video
Would you be pleased if WG were to do this with every other older premium tank out there, as well as nerfing them after a while instead of premium spam we get nowadays? Lets say Among +100 tier 8 premiums there would always be a relevant 20, but different each year, how does that sound?
i'm sure WG would like that. They can sell their old prem Tanks without having to develop new ones.
The Turtle was buffed because it was doing poorly in the premium shop.
I can't see it in the Premium Shop.
@@peteshaw2817 it was for sale a few weeks ago.
it’s now on par with the TS-5
I think its important to consider that QB is not an average player, so he is able to exploit buffs to their maximum, while your average player like myself, probably wont notice a huge difference.
You will on this if you had the old.
Just a reminder that this entire game would be impossible in an AT15. Turtle mk1 even before buffs was already better in all the ways that actually mattered. Average premium tank just being a tier 10 but downtiered.
Funny this Turtle thought he was going to ambush a Tortoise, he kept bouncing, I didn't.
Please upload in 1440p, the quality on YT is so bad for this game :(
WG buffs Turtle, content creators complain about how OP it is, ppl run out and purchase the tank. Totally brilliant!
Like, what WAS QB's kickback?
I have had the Turtle 1 since 2021? I bought it to crew train my British crew when I was grinding thru to the Badger. Haven't played it since the buffs. Must give it a go again I reckon.
Your current equipment is now shown in replay only or also shown after countdown ends?
I was curious about that, or whether it is a mod . .?
@@stevengrace6712 I didn’t notice this display when I was playing yesterday. I’m leaning towards a mod, or an overlay added in post.
Not a mistake, they will sell a boat load of these premium tanks.
Second point… of course this tank goes faster in the water than on the land, it’s a Turtle 😊
I do love my Turtle so I do love her even more now I can be on the flank before the round ends!
Is that the Turtle 279e? WG has already created a buff your own tank situation. I'm surprised they don't just sell all buffs.
Some rich troll would use it to bring back real old school arty with proper shells with real old school HE mechanics.
Just got back into the game after a few months this explains why the turtle was able to pen my e3 frontally consistently
finally tank to deal with BZ, still a two shot
That ambush was some Napoleon level play
I got this tank from the last Treasure Trove event and it's my only tier 8 premium. I stuck the bond turbo I got from the event on it so it can go zooooooom and even turn corners against enemies without the need for a turret. (I have durability also instead of vents)
That being said I ended up losing more probably because I got overconfident and people are more aware how to pen it.
Perfect! This clears the way for the Tortoise nerf now that you can pay for a better result.
90-95% of the content that enters the test server goes through unchanged. Why did the 56 TP have to be in the 5-10%? The only mission marathon I ever grinded :
Unless I am having a senior moment, I can't find the Turtle anywhere in either the tech tree or the premium shop...
It does seem like you can overmatch the sides by shooting the idler wheel, at least with a 122
It was buffed for popularity, they gave out a bunch of turtles from the boxes and no one but me played them.
I think QB missed something here. Dispersion while moving and while track traverse were also buffed from 0.25 to 0.18 each according to tanksgg
Edit: oh he finally mentioned it at 16:25
Better add that to my troll list
"turtle mistake" QB's dad joke xD
@ 12:11 Must be a Sea Turtle, they’re always faster in the water. 😂
Idk for me, when I see turtle I think "GOLD GOES BRRRR" and it dies, but we will see
There are many problematic tanks: My highest DPG tank is cobra. And I have games against heavies on corridor maps which are instantly lost I can pen one shot and end with 600dmg, they are not rare. But there are games where I have 4k damage not even knowing where I got it. It's like getting into abbey monastery, having standard b pushing and boom-boom-boom-boom, 1700dmg in 6 seconds. In my opinion other super problematic tanks are bourrasque (not only it's on par at dpg with progetto, but it's faster, has better camo and replace light tank in tier 10 battles. Then SkodaT56 and Bz176 are very strong as enemies. Bz176 has higher alpha than e100, gun depression, it's faster and armor ... when it's hulldown i don't feel it's worse.
my guess is they dont look at winrate when buffing premium tanks, but at how well a tank sells
I'm moving up the Brit turtle line, everyone spams gold instantly, bounce nothing. Yes, when your top tier, you own 1 on 1... But so do most tanks. Combination of all the buffs might be pushing it a bit but any one alone wouldn't make much difference
Turtle just become the Younger version of Master Oogway ,
Meanwhile the Tortoise is the Older version with Prime Abilities 😎
been away for a couple of weeks and finally have the time to get back in the game but now because of this I am reconsidering
So before the mobility was bad gun was average at best and armor defeated by all 270+ ammo and i dont mean weak spots i mean the whole front of the tank. Its still going to be just as poor agains the tier 9 tanks with 330 to 340 pen. Turtle has high winratio because its basicaly a heavy tank just like tortoise.
As a tortoise player the only thing I hate about turtle mk1 is its dispersion when moving. Seems like WG is always in love with assualt tank destoryers but every time WG fails to balance them!
I love how you upload one of your best games in the tank and presume it as “much better” 🤣🤣
Not to mention using at least 4+ skill crews, food, and nothing but purple equipment, and fully field-modded... Yep, just an average gamer playing ;)
Every turtle moves faster in the water than on a normal terrain
WG wants to sell more Turtles. 100% the reason. They are nerfing tech tree TD's and buffing Premium TD's. They are making so obvious anymore and don't give AF. They care about $$$ and that is it. Lets see if the Turtle goes on sale soon. I'll bet. 🤘😎 Tankers
Just because you don't like or have the Turtle,
Cry like a quicky-BABY
I think the Turtle deserves all the buffs
They had to speed it up because the average battle was like 3 minutes these days
Yesterday driving in my tortoise with bond turbo, I was passed by a turtle......surprise of the day
I think the buff was decent before you were nearly always to late to work with your team. Now you can work with them and don't be alone on a flank cause everyone is already dead. But yeah it was decent before but Turtels always get golded down
Now I end up dying faster because I'm ahead of the team lol
I remember when it was on sales for credits on the black market, but decided not to buy the tank to save for smth else, but what a terrible mistake I did not buying turtle.
Where/how do I buy a Turtle? Can't see one in the Premium Shop.
Skota t56 should get buffed, prem ammo made standard and for prem ammo it gets the bz 176 hesh rounds.
Also buff it's clipsize to 4 and half the reload time.
Sounds good? Deal.
Hey QB, could you go over the tanks that were buffed/nerfed that weren't listed?
Tier 8 & 9 Chinese TDs got buffed just like the tier 10.
oh man, this tank was a mess for so long. Let it shine for a while
Quite happy that I bought it for a few million credits in a black market last year, pays off now :D
Great video QB! Could you be so kind to share the name of the mod that you use to show equipment in-game
None of those battles were impacted by the buffs. Does going faster make a difference sure but the armor and gun are pretty much unchanged. Tank has always been a sleeper that no one wants to play because it is slower than most tanks in the game. It’s popularity will go up because of the buff to its speed but nothing that is game breaking. I am not going to rage every time I see a turtle on the red team like I do with I see a 279e and pretty much know the results of the battle are predetermined!
This is an overreaction about the balancing of this vehicle. The Tortoise at Tier IX is more formidable than this is, even when it sees only Tier VIIIs.
This armor on this tank is still abysmal against Tier IXs and Xs.
This thing just became the best 8 or 10 million credits I spent in the game back when I bought this from the Black Market a few years ago. I don't think it even sold out on the NA server
I understand what you're saying and you're right, but a lot of players can't afford the latest very expensive super tanks. and he is happy that he also has a super tank.
I'm thinking now of the latest supertanks The Lion and his companions.
if you see how it will sell soon, you won't think that WG messed up ;) and you are currently advertising it now
I still ripped a lot turtles the last day... I dont see a problem
2km/h and 5km/h will make it tierX???? wtf? i played it before the buff and after, the firing rate and penetration is now so much better, but the mobility is in no way even noticable better...
Remeber, this thing will NEVER get worse
WG is usually loathe to nerf a premium tank because people pay for it and then tend to get really mad if the tank is then nerfed.
I can see it now in 2025:
New premium Russian tier 8 medium tank T-72B3
Only has 600mm of pen and 800mm of frontal armor and only a 7 second autoloader and can only go forward at 65kph
The Ts-5 still has better pen, better damage, almost the same damage/minute, waaaaay better armor, speed is 26 and nobody had a problem.
Just checked, the TS-5 has higher WR and average damage.
Drop the rammer, and use the mobility improvement system lol. Even more forward, reverse, and turn speed with better dispersion
This video just keeps reminding me why my decision to uninstall remains valid six months later.
cries in needing WZ-114 and M-V-Y buffs
OK I KNOW I miss a LOT of things on the forums and the WG News page, and am FAR from a UNICUM, but I have literally NO IDEA how this tank is available, or IF it is available,, Purchae?? Reward?? Tokens?? Bonds??? Sry for my ignorance, but how does one aquire this tank... I LIKE TDs and want a trainer, a GOOD trainer to advance to the tortoise...
THanks for any help guys and gals...
advice buying the german heavy the tech tree 45.02 P . I have the 2nd tier 8 gun unlocked. how is the best way to grind to unlock the guns without earning 55kxp without just sucking. The gold pen on the gun is 244. help
Su 130 PM, Progetto 46, Skoda T 56, Iron Arnie, BZ 176 and now this and WG still insist on a +2 MM so you will meet all these tanks when you are in a tier 6 tank. Seriously?
Most case before I am able to fight a turle in one v one in t 103 but now i don't know what to do
was that also not the problem back then with the type 59 ?