@@ericlee8231 I'm retired, debt free, and a millionaire. I drive a 2500 HD crew cab long bed Duramax diesel LT Silverado. I'm waiting on a 2022 Silverado 3500 crew cab long bed LTZ Duramax dually that I've already ordered but push back to Feb. of 22 because they'll will be a refresh version coming out with better options. We'll be using that to tow our 37 foot 5th wheel RV that we been using for 12 years. So, in response to your statement " Attitude like that is why you never be rich. Hahahaha" I'm already rich! Hahahaha!!!
Doesn't keeping your road speed between 55 and 65 MPH get you the best fuel economy? It's where I drive and it sure does for me, no mater what I drive. Note added Oct.27/21 I am NOT saying that you should drive at lower than posted speed limits,.. I do NOT live in the U.S. and therefore I do NOT hinder, or get in the way of people who want to go faster than OUR posted LEGAL speed limits. When they pass or overtake me on these roads, then I have the road all to myself! So, for those of you who are 'all up in arms' here, chill down a bit and READ what I am saying.
Yes, that's the point at which youre going fast enough and your engine is burning fuel faster in the sweet spot. Any higher and your engine will burn more fuel than speed you will gain. Any slower and youre engine burning fuel but youre not going fast enough to get good mileage.
Yes that’s true 55-65 with a gas engine no matter the gearing will bet you the best mpg generally, but with a Diesel engine it’s not quite as big of a difference between 65-75
Temperatures also play a role. I always get lower in the cold months (i'm in the midwest). My last tank in my Fusion got 26mpg (mostly city) and in the winter that will be closer to 20mpg.
Sorry , but i dont think 50 miles is enough to get a good number. You guys used to do 100 mile trips , and i think those were better and painted a more realistic picture of mpg.
You have to love that 50 gallon fuel tank until you go to the pump now days. I still wouldn’t trade my diesel for any other engine. That is a nice looking rig Andre thanks for the video and thanks to TFL.
Idk .. I use to pay 7 bucks a gallon in LA when it was really bad and in Europe gas has always been expensive .. but either way it's still.better than electric lol
@@ricwestdoesitwork That ZF 8spd Transmission, plus stock tires and stock suspension make a difference. I recently did a 3000 mile round trip mostly flat , just my truck with about 300 lbs of gear, from oregon to Mesquite NV. I alternated my speed with the cruse control from 60 up to 80 mph. At 80mph,14 mpg, between 55 and 65 mph is the sweet spot.
It should be noted that the 37's also change the final drive ratio so I would expect better fuel economy from that and it appears it is enough to offset the extra drag. Obviously no one builds a truck like that for fuel economy but it is a nice bonus.
‘Most scientific way’ Drives 50 miles... lol Just drive a full tank (or two or three) and average out gallons over miles. Pump variances can mean a lot with only using 50 miles of fuel.
And diesel can foam up more depending on the pump used, how fast you fill it and many other variables. After my diesel ram is supposedly full (first shut off) I continue to fill until it's topped off. I usually yet from 3-5 gallons more in. So a 50 mile loop tells us nothing.
Apples and Oranges! You would need to pull off the camper and make the same run right after that run with the same truck. One truck was a 2 wheel drive one was a 4 wheel drive and I think you said that this truck had 37's. Love you videos but this one was a lousy comparison for MPGs.
@@carsongwin1816 Yeah I understand the difference between the trucks but the title says " Here's what adding a camper to your truck does to your fuel economy" not "Heres the difference between a 2 wheel drive HD and a 1 ton HD 4 wheel drive with 4,000 lbs of camper and 37's will do to your Fuel economy" It's a great comparison between 2 totally different trucks but it's not really useful like all the other "Gauntlet" videos where everything is Apples to Apples wth the different trucks with the same payloads. I would have still rather seen the truck run with and without the camper so I would know what the mileage difference would be. Not compared to a 3 year old video.
SOLD!! I’d like to see you do a comparison of 4x4 F350 and Ram 3500 HO unladen with 6’4 beds. These trucks are getting a bit spendy but will last forever. We’ll done Andre
Loved my 48 gallon tank in my 2019 F350. It would get 9.5L/100km(24.75mpg US/29.73mpg Imp) for a theoretical range of 1188miles. I have gone 1500km(932 miles) on just over 3/4 tank many times, I don't drive fast(65mph). Filling that tank today would hurt, as diesel around my part of Ontario is $1.27‐1.48/L($4.80‐5.59 US Gallon) $230‐ 270 a fill. The current 36 Gallon tank is still $150 to fill, but I get just over 800km(500miles) to a tank locally(55% city/45% highway) In the 2020 F350 with a 3.31
@@Macmathews1 it only burns 9.5L of diesel for every 100k of highway driving(thats 24.75MPG or 2.5 gallons of fuel for 62 miles). That was the 2019 with the 6 speed. The 2020 is using about 8.9L per 100km(26.42mpg)
@@Macmathews1 so a Cummins 3 years ago could do it, with a lousy 6 speed and a 3,73 axle ratio. Yet a powerstroke with a 3.31 is bullshit. It's possible if you drive it properly. Not everything is a race, and you don't need to do 80mph everywhere you go. Next you are going to call bs on my semi averaging 2.9km per litre at 140k lbs(mid roof Volvo 730 500hp/1750lbft with 3.25:1 axle, pulling Super B-train hauling fuel). Its not a lie because you can't to it. There are tons of documented 6.6 durashits getting 27+mpg with the 5 spd Allison's other early 2000s. Why? How? Because those GMT800 trucks were light, tiny, and driven in a manner that allowed them to be easy on fuel. Like I said before its not a race.
I got news for you Andre Cummins motor ain't broke into it's got a hundred thousand on it it will continually get better fuel economy until it gets to 100000
Now do a real world test. Such as 4 people with enough gear for a 3 day weekend out in the boonies. You will find a real world result closer to 10 MPG ;)
Since you went in a circle trip, is it the most accurate when you fill up the second time, to go to the same pump. I always wondered about that. Pumps are somewhat different from each other, just like people.
ideally, but they do the best they can given it's a public fuel station. Tons of other variables still, so just a fun experiment at the end of the day.
Filling uncertainty can easily be 0.25 g between fill-ups. That can add 5 -10 % uncertainty to the resulting estimate . It would be informative to do the same test a few times, back to back.
@@lawrenceralph7481 nah- I’ve commented on how poor 50 miles is to announce ‘scientific’ mpg number. They don’t care. It just saves them time. They need a 1-2 tank minimum before mpg numbers are published.
Lol, I recently purchased the same truck but with the HO/AISN combo and you are correct, My main concern was power, trans reliability and not drive ability, fuel economy was not a high priority.....HOWEVER, it sure is nice that it averages about 20 to 21 on the fwy, and about 18 in the city unloaded. It was a very nice and unexpected suprise comming from a truck that was averaging 15 mpg on a good day with a tail wind.
16MPG is about the best I get with my 5.9l Cummins Megacab. I10 between TX and CA has 80MPH speed limits with the long grades which don't help economy. Just installed a free spin kit and fixed my sticking brakes so hopefully, I can average at least 18MPG.
That’s still good gas mileage for the added weight and bigger tires. But honestly, for $31-40k, I would definitely buy an actual travel trailer, which I’m going to do.
If all of this was new, the whole thing probably crossed the $100,000 mark. Depending on how often the rig is used, renting might be the better option.
You guys have great content love your channel but. I was T-boned by a woman who was looking at her phone while driving and I get the chills every time you look at your phone while you are driving Sorry for the rant but I would like you guys to do a video about distractions when driving
At a difference of 9 mpg (24 minus 15) versus the unladen RAM, this camper costs $0.08 cents per mile more than the unladen truck, in fuel (assuming $3.169/gal as in the video). So if you run let's say 300 miles per day across the country that equates to $24.00 per day that could have been spent on a hotel. That doesn't get too far obviously, especially for a family of four. Not accounting for higher up front cost of the one ton pickup and the camper itself, either
Nice post. Looking at the numbers shows how this stuff just isn't worth it. My wife talked about getting a camper and we figured for how often we'd do it..we could stay in a nice hotel and have the maid come in and give us a kiss before bed.
Lots of entertaining videos designed to get clicks, but you are diluting your value by presenting entertainment unsupported by decent analysis. It is happening across the board in TFL videos. Sooner or later TFL will begin loosing clicks due to this. I would never do a MPG test driving 50 miles. Pure silliness. But good entertainment, Andre is well liked!
Yeah so I got 30 mph in my 2015 Mustang GT with standard shift at 60 mph. But I will gladly give up mpg to get there. Bored to death at 60 mph. Feel a lot better at 80 and 25 mpg.
"Its pretty much the same engine" if you're meaning the size then yes pretty much the same but now it makes more horsepower and torque even with the 68rfe transmission
I have a 14 dually with Aisin and 3.73 rear. So fyi not all duallies have 4.10. We avg 15 - 17 mpg. Most of the time high 16. With our arctic fox 1050 truck camper and uhaul car carrier with a jeep renegade trailhawk onboard we avg 12 mpg from Alabama to Arizona. At about 60-65 mph. Another easy way to know the engine and transmission is if you have the aluminum axle cover.
I wish my Ram did that well! But I also go 75 on the highways when I get outside of Denver, and that definitely doesn't lend itself to low fuel consumption.
New 4x4 6.7L Cummins aren't getting near 24MPG empty. Dually, gas or diesel, is available with either 3.73 or 4:10. Diesel SRW is 3.73 only. Gas is available with either. Everything on the 19+ HO is bigger. Trans, transfer case, rear axle (12").
You overlooked a crotical parameter during both tests - wind speed and direction, especially at 5,280ft in elevation. A tail wind of 30mph can add 5mpg at 65mph. A head wind can cause you to lose the same. Rather than a 24/16 split, you could actually be seeing a 19/17, 20/12, etc. Pleae repeat the tests with wind speed and direction for accuracy.
Last summer we drove this same truck for 2 months all across California and Oregon. I don't mean a truck just like this one, but THIS actual truck from Four Wheel Campers. They loaned it to us for the summer. I was really surprised by how good the gas mileage was during the whole trip. Especially with those massive 37s!
That’s super impressive, my 2020 3500 HO ccsb srw does 18-20 unladen highway and 11-12 with my hard side truck camper (~3000lbs wet). The SO trucks get a bit better mpg than the aisin trucks, but the aisin is totally worth it.
I don't own a diesel, but I really want one because of there efficiency and you can do more despite how much they cost. Despite what people say, I want a Ram 2500 high output Cummins.
Yea, but you pay $10k-12k for that sweet diesel MPG. You wouldn't break even on a diesel until you were over 50,000miles into ownership of one. And then there's the higher maintenance costs of a diesel...
@@jordenburleson6409 Their test shows the best you can expect. The rest are realized variables and driving style. You never see the MSRP MPG as it is what can be obtained from the engine in ideal conditions. Stop and go traffic would not be a fair number as there are too many variables with idle time, etc.
@@larrybe2900 stfu shill from experience people have to drive to the highway there are changes in elevation and stop and go traffic if you do 50% city driving your getting 10 that's the facts 6.7L drinks the fuel.
Great video Andre. Very impressed with the fuel economy of the RAM. Considering the non aerodynamic camper and the large tires makes the fuel economy number even more impressive. My previous gas pickup only got slightly better economy running completely empty!
@@augsu Propelling 8000 lbs on 35 in off-road tires 750 miles before refueling. With current battery tech this would take the energy stored in between 7 and 10 Tesla $14k batteries..
@@lawrenceralph7481 Why would you want to drive a truck 750 miles before refueling? I've done a lot of road trips, including some with 8000 lb trucks on 35's, never even considered driving that far without a break, and certainly wouldn't drive that Fiat powered luxo-ute anywhere, modern diesel is too unreliable, heavy and slow to do any serious trail work and the lack of regen makes it useless and unsafe as a truck. I'll be keeping my manual, carbureted trucks until my Cybertruck comes, then they will be obsolete.
I have a 2021 3500 HO and carrying a Palomino 1251 (1750lbs) I would get maybe 16.5 traveling the same speed. My trip this summer to Colorado from PA we ran tank after tank at 80 to 85 mph pulling a 6x12 enclosed trailer and got 15 with it. I have 35x11.50 tires. In CO traveling from Crested Butte to Gunnison and back the trip meter had me at 22mpg. Truck was empty and not pulling anything. Empty traveling always 5 over speed limit in PA either I-80 or I-81 I get 17 with it. Easing around my rural home area it routinely sees 18.5. It's mountains here. I'd say 75 is definitely where the mileage noses over. All mentioned MPG is based on computer. Got the truck in June I have 15k on it. It's a tradesman with a Thuren Suspension on it and it's great.
Great job on the video! I'm curious...how would a 5500 do with this set-up? I know nothing about diesels and I'm looking to build this exact rig, with camper set-up, but I'll also be pulling a 24 or 26' trailer. I'm looking at the truck build now and for the added weight of the trailer was looking at the 5500 DR truck to do the job. Thanks for your insight.
My 06 LBZ Chevy 2500CC Duramax 4X4 would get 19-20MPG unladen...Even 19MPG towing a 7K open car trailer....Put a Lance 865 on it....13-15MPG....didn't mind that too much....The thing I don't like about Truck Campers is the 12-13ft height has you always concerned about bridge heights...Tried to put a Northstar 600ss on a 2020 Colorado ZR2....Turned that thing from a 18MPG gas guzzler to an ABYSMAL 12-9MPG FUEL PIG! Sold that Northstar in less than a month of ownership...I like the Four Wheel "Project M" pop tops but, $12K for an "bed topper"???? Well I put an Aluminum service cap on my ZR2....Maybe if "sanity" returns to the RV world...I'll go shopping for a Project M but, for now an air mattress in the aluminum camper serves my needs.
I fulltime with a 2000 silverado 1500 extended cab longbox 5.3L pullling a 2020 forest river NO BO 19.1 travel trailer toy hauler with a 2017 polaris RZR 900xc total weight 13200lbs my mileage average is 10MPG
I can agree with this. I own a 19 Ram 2500 Mega Cab with the Cummins and have a 4 Wheel Pop Up camper that lives on my bed full time. The fuel mileage is basically what Andre here calculated 👌
For camping with a truck camper, I've found the one ton is a better sized truck. I currently have an 08 Dodge Ram 2500 QC SRW long bed 4x4 with the 6.7 Cummins. I carry a Lance hard top 915 model camper which is fine for two adults and one or two children. Since my kids are now adults and out on their own, my wife and I plus our two dogs go in the current truck. The 3500 or a Ford F350 will replace the truck I have now when the manufacturer's are able to provide one. The reason for the one ton is the size of truck campers has grown and the weight has also grown. Since the prices of "new" trucks is worth the price of a house a person is better off buying the most they can get for the money. If I had purchased a 3500 instead of the 2500 I would not have needed to spend the extra $2500 beefing up my current truck. I enjoyed your video and your drive north. I lived in the Denver area at one time and have lived in various parts of the state at other times. Now I live in New Mexico but I do make trips to the Denver area to see my oldest son who lives there.
Our '05 RAM 3500 with the 5.9 Cummings, aluminum flatbed & boxes, FWC slide in Hawk, fully loaded gear/water & dog scales right at 10K pounds. Tires are 35"AT's. Running around 60-65 MPH on highways in 2WD averages 15MPG.
Now if you take the delta in purchase for the diesel and figure the delta in fuel economy at what point(in miles traveled) is the diesel fuel savings paying off the increase in purchase price? And then understand that servicing diesels as they age is an expensive proposition. Replacing injectors cost over $10,000, a new crate 7.3L Ford is under $9,000.
The real question is, who TF cares? Campers get crappier gas mileage, by far, obviously. This truck does too, I doubt it affects it that much, not that this truck would be driven, most of the time.
The truck and science is nice. But can we take a second to celebrate Andre on his weight loss? Lookin good man! Whatever you're doing, keep it up, its working!
now try it with that truck with no camper... i bet its 20 at best with those big tires and 4x4... just adding a few bricks doesn't make up for the drag created by having a 4wd truck
Great vehicle great video Here in Australia we mostly have diesels with long range tanks because of vast distances to be covered in the outback A range of 700 odd miles 1200 kms is normally the standard Love the camper setup You said norweld ? Is that the Australian norweld? Or an American version We have norweld campers here in Australia They are terrific quality! Cheers
I have a 2019 3500 crew cab, 6.7 HO, Aisin transmission, 3.73 axle and get about 19.3 on the freeway with the cruise set at 80. Pretty impressive for a heavy duty pickup.
Denver to FoCo seems a little short for a good fuel average. Should have gone to Cheyenne and back. People want to talk to me about my FWC at every stop, too.
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If you can afford that rig, you're not going to really be worried about fuel economy. :)
Just cuase you have money doesn't mean you was money. Attitude like that is why you never be rich. Hahahaha
@@ericlee8231 I'm retired, debt free, and a millionaire. I drive a 2500 HD crew cab long bed Duramax diesel LT Silverado. I'm waiting on a 2022 Silverado 3500 crew cab long bed LTZ Duramax dually that I've already ordered
but push back to Feb. of 22 because they'll will be a refresh version coming out with better options. We'll be using that to tow our 37 foot 5th wheel RV that we been using for 12 years. So, in response to your statement
" Attitude like that is why you never be rich. Hahahaha" I'm already rich! Hahahaha!!!
@@stevewainwright3344 Can I have the old one? ;)
Exactly
As a bug out vehicle though mpg does matter. But that’s in the hypothetical situation
Doesn't keeping your road speed between 55 and 65 MPH get you the best fuel economy? It's where I drive and it sure does for me, no mater what I drive.
Note added Oct.27/21
I am NOT saying that you should drive at lower than posted speed limits,.. I do NOT live in the U.S. and therefore I do NOT hinder, or get in the way of people who want to go faster than OUR posted LEGAL speed limits. When they pass or overtake me on these roads, then I have the road all to myself!
So, for those of you who are 'all up in arms' here, chill down a bit and READ what I am saying.
Yes, that's the point at which youre going fast enough and your engine is burning fuel faster in the sweet spot. Any higher and your engine will burn more fuel than speed you will gain. Any slower and youre engine burning fuel but youre not going fast enough to get good mileage.
My 02 2500 cummins gets about 18.5 regardless if I am doing 65 or 70 😅
Yes that’s true 55-65 with a gas engine no matter the gearing will bet you the best mpg generally, but with a Diesel engine it’s not quite as big of a difference between 65-75
Temperatures also play a role. I always get lower in the cold months (i'm in the midwest). My last tank in my Fusion got 26mpg (mostly city) and in the winter that will be closer to 20mpg.
@@86steelrain I guess I was referring to gasoline powered engines, and diesels ( like yours ) are usually that much more efficient.
Sorry , but i dont think 50 miles is enough to get a good number. You guys used to do 100 mile trips , and i think those were better and painted a more realistic picture of mpg.
$70,000 truck. $30,000 camper. Getting back to nature and living the simple life ain't so simple.
You have to love that 50 gallon fuel tank until you go to the pump now days. I still wouldn’t trade my diesel for any other engine. That is a nice looking rig Andre thanks for the video and thanks to TFL.
Idk .. I use to pay 7 bucks a gallon in LA when it was really bad and in Europe gas has always been expensive .. but either way it's still.better than electric lol
@@richardalfaro4933 I totally agree about the EV B.S.
I Love the 50 gallon tank in my 2020 Ram 2500 6.4 hemi 4x4, even with the 4.10 gears, I get 18 mpg at 65 mph.
@@os8367 that is super mpg.
@@ricwestdoesitwork That ZF 8spd Transmission, plus stock tires and stock suspension make a difference. I recently did a 3000 mile round trip mostly flat , just my truck with about 300 lbs of gear, from oregon to Mesquite NV. I alternated my speed with the cruse control from 60 up to 80 mph. At 80mph,14 mpg, between 55 and 65 mph is the sweet spot.
It should be noted that the 37's also change the final drive ratio so I would expect better fuel economy from that and it appears it is enough to offset the extra drag. Obviously no one builds a truck like that for fuel economy but it is a nice bonus.
‘Most scientific way’
Drives 50 miles... lol
Just drive a full tank (or two or three) and average out gallons over miles. Pump variances can mean a lot with only using 50 miles of fuel.
And diesel can foam up more depending on the pump used, how fast you fill it and many other variables. After my diesel ram is supposedly full (first shut off) I continue to fill until it's topped off. I usually yet from 3-5 gallons more in. So a 50 mile loop tells us nothing.
@@bobisrighturwrong one tank of fuel is minimum to announce mpg. 50 mile loop is just misinformation.
I don’t think that anyone buying that set up is even a little bit concerned about the mpg
I am. I never understand this comment, fuel costs money, who isn’t interested in money? 😁
@@mack86523 if you can afford this rig, fuel shouldn’t be a concern. These are work horses not a Prius
Apples and Oranges! You would need to pull off the camper and make the same run right after that run with the same truck. One truck was a 2 wheel drive one was a 4 wheel drive and I think you said that this truck had 37's. Love you videos but this one was a lousy comparison for MPGs.
i think that was the point ,to compare apples to oranges
That was kinda the point off the vid. Stock truck vs over landing rig
@@carsongwin1816 Yeah I understand the difference between the trucks but the title says " Here's what adding a camper to your truck does to your fuel economy" not "Heres the difference between a 2 wheel drive HD and a 1 ton HD 4 wheel drive with 4,000 lbs of camper and 37's will do to your Fuel economy"
It's a great comparison between 2 totally different trucks but it's not really useful like all the other "Gauntlet" videos where everything is Apples to Apples wth the different trucks with the same payloads.
I would have still rather seen the truck run with and without the camper so I would know what the mileage difference would be. Not compared to a 3 year old video.
SOLD!! I’d like to see you do a comparison of 4x4 F350 and Ram 3500 HO unladen with 6’4 beds. These trucks are getting a bit spendy but will last forever. We’ll done Andre
Will last for ever. 😂
Most certainly will not last forever.....more complicated lasts less time.
Loved my 48 gallon tank in my 2019 F350. It would get 9.5L/100km(24.75mpg US/29.73mpg Imp) for a theoretical range of 1188miles. I have gone 1500km(932 miles) on just over 3/4 tank many times, I don't drive fast(65mph). Filling that tank today would hurt, as diesel around my part of Ontario is $1.27‐1.48/L($4.80‐5.59 US Gallon) $230‐ 270 a fill. The current 36 Gallon tank is still $150 to fill, but I get just over 800km(500miles) to a tank locally(55% city/45% highway) In the 2020 F350 with a 3.31
Your saying your F350 gets 9.5L / 100.. I am at a loss for what you are trying to say !
@@Macmathews1 it only burns 9.5L of diesel for every 100k of highway driving(thats 24.75MPG or 2.5 gallons of fuel for 62 miles). That was the 2019 with the 6 speed. The 2020 is using about 8.9L per 100km(26.42mpg)
@@jnk26 what engine is getting 9l per hundred in an f350 ?
Got a link to any type of fuel tracker to show your logs for mileage and filling up?
@@Macmathews1 so a Cummins 3 years ago could do it, with a lousy 6 speed and a 3,73 axle ratio. Yet a powerstroke with a 3.31 is bullshit. It's possible if you drive it properly. Not everything is a race, and you don't need to do 80mph everywhere you go. Next you are going to call bs on my semi averaging 2.9km per litre at 140k lbs(mid roof Volvo 730 500hp/1750lbft with 3.25:1 axle, pulling Super B-train hauling fuel). Its not a lie because you can't to it. There are tons of documented 6.6 durashits getting 27+mpg with the 5 spd Allison's other early 2000s. Why? How? Because those GMT800 trucks were light, tiny, and driven in a manner that allowed them to be easy on fuel. Like I said before its not a race.
Forget the 50 gallon. You can get a 60 gallon aftermarket tank from S&B
I got news for you Andre Cummins motor ain't broke into it's got a hundred thousand on it it will continually get better fuel economy until it gets to 100000
My favorite is Andre sorry Nathan and Tommy
Now do a real world test. Such as 4 people with enough gear for a 3 day weekend out in the boonies. You will find a real world result closer to 10 MPG ;)
I wonder how much an air deflector in front of the camper top would help. I found that something boxy on my roof will reduce my MPG by 10-15%.
is that the motor u guys talked about yesterday that has the fire hazard?
Andre, the mpg is ok but the cost per mile with the new higher price diesel is going to break the average owner.!
You can remove some of that government "green" BS and tune that engine and get at least 4-5 more MPG's.
Awe Andre used to be so young and cute 😄
Since you went in a circle trip, is it the most accurate when you fill up the second time, to go to the same pump. I always wondered about that. Pumps are somewhat different from each other, just like people.
ideally, but they do the best they can given it's a public fuel station. Tons of other variables still, so just a fun experiment at the end of the day.
Filling uncertainty can easily be 0.25 g between fill-ups. That can add 5 -10 % uncertainty to the resulting estimate
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It would be informative to do the same test a few times, back to back.
@@lawrenceralph7481 nah- I’ve commented on how poor 50 miles is to announce ‘scientific’ mpg number. They don’t care. It just saves them time. They need a 1-2 tank minimum before mpg numbers are published.
@@lawrenceralph7481 Especially when you are dividing by only 53 miles.....
Still better mpg hwy than my bone stock 8.1 gas silverado hahaha
Lol, I recently purchased the same truck but with the HO/AISN combo and you are correct, My main concern was power, trans reliability and not drive ability, fuel economy was not a high priority.....HOWEVER, it sure is nice that it averages about 20 to 21 on the fwy, and about 18 in the city unloaded. It was a very nice and unexpected suprise comming from a truck that was averaging 15 mpg on a good day with a tail wind.
16MPG is about the best I get with my 5.9l Cummins Megacab. I10 between TX and CA has 80MPH speed limits with the long grades which don't help economy. Just installed a free spin kit and fixed my sticking brakes so hopefully, I can average at least 18MPG.
That’s still good gas mileage for the added weight and bigger tires. But honestly, for $31-40k, I would definitely buy an actual travel trailer, which I’m going to do.
If all of this was new, the whole thing probably crossed the $100,000 mark. Depending on how often the rig is used, renting might be the better option.
Sure, but this is easier to take down smaller dirt roads.
Yeah and staying only on well groomed roads. This thing will go places your travel trailer will never get to
You guys have great content love your channel but. I was T-boned by a woman who was looking at her phone while driving and I get the chills every time you look at your phone while you are driving
Sorry for the rant but I would like you guys to do a video about distractions when driving
I think if you get t-boned on a highway, there might be a bigger issue than just looking at the phone.
@@JoshAllenberg yeah, women drivers.
We're have you been driving that truck. For 9000 miles that's the dirtiest engine compartment I've seen lol
At a difference of 9 mpg (24 minus 15) versus the unladen RAM, this camper costs $0.08 cents per mile more than the unladen truck, in fuel (assuming $3.169/gal as in the video). So if you run let's say 300 miles per day across the country that equates to $24.00 per day that could have been spent on a hotel. That doesn't get too far obviously, especially for a family of four. Not accounting for higher up front cost of the one ton pickup and the camper itself, either
Nice post. Looking at the numbers shows how this stuff just isn't worth it. My wife talked about getting a camper and we figured for how often we'd do it..we could stay in a nice hotel and have the maid come in and give us a kiss before bed.
@@mistermister2085 that is called a brothel
50 miles! What does that show?
Lots of entertaining videos designed to get clicks, but you are diluting your value by presenting entertainment unsupported by decent analysis. It is happening across the board in TFL videos. Sooner or later TFL will begin loosing clicks due to this. I would never do a MPG test driving 50 miles. Pure silliness. But good entertainment, Andre is well liked!
Jim your absolutely right! Take that rig
On areal trip. You'd be lucky to get 14mpg.
Yeah so I got 30 mph in my 2015 Mustang GT with standard shift at 60 mph. But I will gladly give up mpg to get there. Bored to death at 60 mph. Feel a lot better at 80 and 25 mpg.
"Its pretty much the same engine" if you're meaning the size then yes pretty much the same but now it makes more horsepower and torque even with the 68rfe transmission
I can drive my 08 Suburban HD from Valencia CA to Spanish Fork Utah. 39 gallon tank 643 miles 70 /75 mph. Towing different story 9/12 mpg same route
Wow Andre was so young! Lol. Don’t worry Andre we all got old lol.
Love the 50 gallon tank in my ‘22 F350 with the Godzilla. 🤟🏻
Is that an option or is it standard? I'm looking into this exact setup in an XLT with the blackout package FX4 SRW
@@theduckman8814 it is standard with the 8’ bed.
I have a 14 dually with Aisin and 3.73 rear. So fyi not all duallies have 4.10. We avg 15 - 17 mpg. Most of the time high 16. With our arctic fox 1050 truck camper and uhaul car carrier with a jeep renegade trailhawk onboard we avg 12 mpg from Alabama to Arizona. At about 60-65 mph. Another easy way to know the engine and transmission is if you have the aluminum axle cover.
Get it on up to 70mph ( which is the majority of the states speed limits) and then watch the MPG drop like a rock.
I wish my Ram did that well! But I also go 75 on the highways when I get outside of Denver, and that definitely doesn't lend itself to low fuel consumption.
New 4x4 6.7L Cummins aren't getting near 24MPG empty.
Dually, gas or diesel, is available with either 3.73 or 4:10. Diesel SRW is 3.73 only. Gas is available with either.
Everything on the 19+ HO is bigger. Trans, transfer case, rear axle (12").
I wonder if you could get even more MPG if you put an air baffle in front of the camper overhang.
Good idea, a spoiler at the top back edge could reduce the drag as well. -Just like on the hatch of a VW Polo BlueMotion.
You overlooked a crotical parameter during both tests - wind speed and direction, especially at 5,280ft in elevation. A tail wind of 30mph can add 5mpg at 65mph. A head wind can cause you to lose the same. Rather than a 24/16 split, you could actually be seeing a 19/17, 20/12, etc. Pleae repeat the tests with wind speed and direction for accuracy.
That's what a stock tundra gets lol
Better than mine. 13.7 mpg. Stays there no matter my load. Full tool box with empty bed, or box with a yard of rock.
Last summer we drove this same truck for 2 months all across California and Oregon. I don't mean a truck just like this one, but THIS actual truck from Four Wheel Campers. They loaned it to us for the summer. I was really surprised by how good the gas mileage was during the whole trip. Especially with those massive 37s!
2016 Ram 3500 here as daily, and freeway I can get 22mpg (diesel). With no weight, average 19. (All stock)
That's actually quite impressive. I think for that money though I would just get a Merc 4x4 van conversion
Should’ve did a new video of a standard 4x4 ram truck doing the same loop
Cummins comes from the factory pre run and broken in. Do your comment about being broken in is true for the chassis not the engine.
That’s super impressive, my 2020 3500 HO ccsb srw does 18-20 unladen highway and 11-12 with my hard side truck camper (~3000lbs wet). The SO trucks get a bit better mpg than the aisin trucks, but the aisin is totally worth it.
Do you notice a Difference in the Fuel Economy from the Bio Blends ?
I would delete the def so fast if I owned one
That's exactly what I would do.
I don't own a diesel, but I really want one because of there efficiency and you can do more despite how much they cost. Despite what people say, I want a Ram 2500 high output Cummins.
Impressive since I get 17 combined in my Tacoma.
Yea, but you pay $10k-12k for that sweet diesel MPG. You wouldn't break even on a diesel until you were over 50,000miles into ownership of one. And then there's the higher maintenance costs of a diesel...
@@stevenweatherly2768 oh for sure. Even used diesels with hundreds of thousands of miles are still $30-40k.
I improved my mpg in my 03 Taco V6 from 17 to 20 with a Volant intake and performance tuned mass air flow sensor. Much quicker too.
Pretty impressive, my half ton with a tune doesn’t get that much!
Yeah there long distance test is no good no hills no stop and go if you own one you won't see the numbers they claim I used to like this guy.
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Their test shows the best you can expect. The rest are realized variables and driving style. You never see the MSRP MPG as it is what can be obtained from the engine in ideal conditions. Stop and go traffic would not be a fair number as there are too many variables with idle time, etc.
@@larrybe2900 stfu shill from experience people have to drive to the highway there are changes in elevation and stop and go traffic if you do 50% city driving your getting 10 that's the facts 6.7L drinks the fuel.
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So why do you need all that included in their test to skew the result for others who won't then know 'potential' MPG?
@@larrybe2900 you won't see that number on a whole tank of fuel so the number is not real or viable when shopping for a truck stfu.
Great video Andre. Very impressed with the fuel economy of the RAM. Considering the non aerodynamic camper and the large tires makes the fuel economy number even more impressive. My previous gas pickup only got slightly better economy running completely empty!
If you get off the highway for any period of time like you know in real life numbers fall off alot
Not that impressed my Dodge sprinter class c rv with duals gets that mileage and way bigger
But can it climb over a log, cross three feet deep creek or climb up side of a mountain?
There is no breaking in a cummins
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They should have built that on the shorter cab. The 4 door looks funny..
Ram just had a major recall on there trucks, any info???
This is exactly the video I was looking for
Won't be doing this with an EV truck any time soon.
What's this got to do with an EV anything?
What, driving 40 miles or getting 16 mpg.
@@augsu Propelling 8000 lbs on 35 in off-road tires 750 miles before refueling.
With current battery tech this would take the energy stored in between 7 and 10 Tesla $14k batteries..
@@lawrenceralph7481 Why would you want to drive a truck 750 miles before refueling? I've done a lot of road trips, including some with 8000 lb trucks on 35's, never even considered driving that far without a break, and certainly wouldn't drive that Fiat powered luxo-ute anywhere, modern diesel is too unreliable, heavy and slow to do any serious trail work and the lack of regen makes it useless and unsafe as a truck. I'll be keeping my manual, carbureted trucks until my Cybertruck comes, then they will be obsolete.
When you said "if you want to go around the world", the correct answer would be to not buy a Dodge
I have a 2021 3500 HO and carrying a Palomino 1251 (1750lbs) I would get maybe 16.5 traveling the same speed. My trip this summer to Colorado from PA we ran tank after tank at 80 to 85 mph pulling a 6x12 enclosed trailer and got 15 with it. I have 35x11.50 tires. In CO traveling from Crested Butte to Gunnison and back the trip meter had me at 22mpg. Truck was empty and not pulling anything.
Empty traveling always 5 over speed limit in PA either I-80 or I-81 I get 17 with it. Easing around my rural home area it routinely sees 18.5. It's mountains here. I'd say 75 is definitely where the mileage noses over.
All mentioned MPG is based on computer.
Got the truck in June I have 15k on it. It's a tradesman with a Thuren Suspension on it and it's great.
Time for ram to get some 10 speed Tranmisson
Great job on the video! I'm curious...how would a 5500 do with this set-up? I know nothing about diesels and I'm looking to build this exact rig, with camper set-up, but I'll also be pulling a 24 or 26' trailer. I'm looking at the truck build now and for the added weight of the trailer was looking at the 5500 DR truck to do the job. Thanks for your insight.
My 06 LBZ Chevy 2500CC Duramax 4X4 would get 19-20MPG unladen...Even 19MPG towing a 7K open car trailer....Put a Lance 865 on it....13-15MPG....didn't mind that too much....The thing I don't like about Truck Campers is the 12-13ft height has you always concerned about bridge heights...Tried to put a Northstar 600ss on a 2020 Colorado ZR2....Turned that thing from a 18MPG gas guzzler to an ABYSMAL 12-9MPG FUEL PIG! Sold that Northstar in less than a month of ownership...I like the Four Wheel "Project M" pop tops but, $12K for an "bed topper"???? Well I put an Aluminum service cap on my ZR2....Maybe if "sanity" returns to the RV world...I'll go shopping for a Project M but, for now an air mattress in the aluminum camper serves my needs.
I fulltime with a 2000 silverado 1500 extended cab longbox 5.3L pullling a 2020 forest river NO BO 19.1 travel trailer toy hauler with a 2017 polaris RZR 900xc total weight 13200lbs my mileage average is 10MPG
Road trip last week in my ‘02 7.3 Powerstroke…730 miles. Killer tail wind for 400 miles. It was glorious
People don't realize how much a head or tail wind affect fuel mileage.
Just wait till you experience regen.
I can agree with this.
I own a 19 Ram 2500 Mega Cab with the Cummins and have a 4 Wheel Pop Up camper that lives on my bed full time. The fuel mileage is basically what Andre here calculated 👌
Damn…my v6 manual ranger get 18 mph on a good day lol.
A young looking Andre appears.
For camping with a truck camper, I've found the one ton is a better sized truck. I currently have an 08 Dodge Ram 2500 QC SRW long bed 4x4 with the 6.7 Cummins. I carry a Lance hard top 915 model camper which is fine for two adults and one or two children. Since my kids are now adults and out on their own, my wife and I plus our two dogs go in the current truck. The 3500 or a Ford F350 will replace the truck I have now when the manufacturer's are able to provide one. The reason for the one ton is the size of truck campers has grown and the weight has also grown. Since the prices of "new" trucks is worth the price of a house a person is better off buying the most they can get for the money. If I had purchased a 3500 instead of the 2500 I would not have needed to spend the extra $2500 beefing up my current truck.
I enjoyed your video and your drive north. I lived in the Denver area at one time and have lived in various parts of the state at other times. Now I live in New Mexico but I do make trips to the Denver area to see my oldest son who lives there.
Our '05 RAM 3500 with the 5.9 Cummings, aluminum flatbed & boxes, FWC slide in Hawk, fully loaded gear/water & dog scales right at 10K pounds. Tires are 35"AT's. Running around 60-65 MPH on highways in 2WD averages 15MPG.
Diesel don't break in that low
Colorado, where you can be at almost 6k feet with mountains way in the distance and it still looks like you are driving across Kansas.
Now if you take the delta in purchase for the diesel and figure the delta in fuel economy at what point(in miles traveled) is the diesel fuel savings paying off the increase in purchase price? And then understand that servicing diesels as they age is an expensive proposition. Replacing injectors cost over $10,000, a new crate 7.3L Ford is under $9,000.
The real question is, who TF cares? Campers get crappier gas mileage, by far, obviously. This truck does too, I doubt it affects it that much, not that this truck would be driven, most of the time.
There’s something wrong with a culture when 15 a 16 mpg is considered acceptable. I realize the altitude makes a difference, but.
Not very impressive. 3500 extra pounds is not that much, but the tires are wide/tall and it is lifted, so I guess that's a fair result.
Not a real world test ,because the dudes driving these types of pickups would be driving 80 miles per hour.
The truck and science is nice. But can we take a second to celebrate Andre on his weight loss? Lookin good man! Whatever you're doing, keep it up, its working!
now try it with that truck with no camper... i bet its 20 at best with those big tires and 4x4... just adding a few bricks doesn't make up for the drag created by having a 4wd truck
Big, Heavy and yet you are not counting Gallons per Miles. So all good, all good!
God just tell us the mpg...
Your diesel is cheaper than my regular unleaded...Here diesel is about $0.40 more per gallon then regular.
Did you fill up at Kroger with fuel discount, after getting Donuts, potatoes and Vodka?
WHO gives a thumbs down on this?
YOU gotta be a HATER.
I want that bed but not the camper
How does Andre not have a Russian Accent? If his last name wasn't Smirnoff or Kalashnikov I'd never know he was even Russian haha
The enemy rears its ugly head once again. What a drag. 24mpg beforehand is admirable though.
$3.16/gallon?!? You ain't in California.
Do New Mexican ram diesel trucks need DEF like USA and CAN
$3.16 for diesel! I just payed $4.79 a gallon in So. Cal
Great vehicle great video
Here in Australia we mostly have diesels with long range tanks because of vast distances to be covered in the outback
A range of 700 odd miles 1200 kms is normally the standard
Love the camper setup
You said norweld ?
Is that the Australian norweld?
Or an American version
We have norweld campers here in Australia
They are terrific quality!
Cheers
I have a 2019 3500 crew cab, 6.7 HO, Aisin transmission, 3.73 axle and get about 19.3 on the freeway with the cruise set at 80. Pretty impressive for a heavy duty pickup.
I had one of these, got tired of the Somali pirates always being there when I crossed the river, oh yeah and their tolls ate up my food budget.
nice truck
that's impressive for that heavy of a truck
Denver to FoCo seems a little short for a good fuel average. Should have gone to Cheyenne and back.
People want to talk to me about my FWC at every stop, too.
I had no idea how little interior sound dampening Ram had. I can hear those tires whirling pretty bad.
I'm curious how much of the difference is due to the larger heavier tires vs the extra weight and wind resistance.