This is a great comment, but imagine someone dedicating their life to that principle, spending hours a day increasing sensitivity and making their movements more and more subtle, now imagine that same person 50-60 years later and what that level of skill must look like to the untrained or far less experienced eye
Huang Sheng Shyan was a true world renowned taichi grandmaster from Kuching, Sarawak. I used to hear of him when I was a teenager. He was once challenged by a rascal who had some martial art skill and who insulted him that his taichi skill was fake. The rascal insulted him everyday and kept on challenging him to a fight. Finally after a few days, he accepted the fight and asked his students as witness. The rascal rush toward him and rain blows. Huang Sheng Shyan got hold of the rascal hand and lift it up then used his finger to pierce at his armpit. The rascal immediately dropped on the floor motionless. After half an hour, the rascal body began to turn black and vomit blood. Huang Sheng Shyan sensing he was about to die, quickly tapped him on a pressure point at the back and the rascal slowly recovered.
I've been practicing this stuff for over 20 yrs. My take is that it's all physics, that is to say, alignment, timing, & correct use of muscular force. Amazing, but not supernatural, just a good mix of talent & work. This man's entering skills & timing are very good. AND..he's got some cooperative students there who maintain their structure so that his force moves them through space. If he faced strangers doing whatever, I think his T'ai-Chi would still be good, but it would not look like this.
This chinsee master derives energy from the universe. Groups of Tibet monk visited here where I live ,andone monk put off candle light from many meters distance.
I call shenanigans. This is akin to a televangelist laying on hands and healing someone as they crumple to the floor. The subject has to cooperate and fall down.
I personally have trained in Shaolin Qigong Yi Jin Jing since I was 14. I have felt the crumbling force of "chi" circulate throughout my entire body. On one encounter with an officer, I placed my hand on his rib cage, and projected my chi. He was crumbling to the floor in agony, because his body was feeling what I was feeling during Training (the numbing sensation of chi circulating through constricted meridians and channels.) If only you could bear witness to the healing abilities that Chi can offer, then you too would overstand.
My years of experience in Kung Fu and Tai Chi is that what offen seems real is fake (movies) and what is real seems fake. If you can locate the balance and uproot it you defeat the opponent. Does not take a lot of strength to knock someone over if you get them off balance. Notice that what looks like just his hand doing the push he is also using his body and different parts to uproot the opponent. Very subtle.
Don Walth That seems pretty cool. I've never thought about it like that. "What seems real it's fake and what seems fake is real" I actually would like to learn Tai Chi, but first I want to know more information about it. Do you have any suggestions?
Fake or not it really depends on your definition. If you mean the students are compliant, and exaggerating the effects, then yes, it is fake. If you are talking about the master's actual skills, then it is not fake. And the reason why students are selected for such demonstrations, it is simply to make the demonstration look good. Not an approach I would personally agree with, but then I'm no master at all.
This is MARTIAL ARTS---TAIJI ! People know none about it see it just like that , probably like a game ! This master's arts is of very , very high level ! ,,,,,,,,
Ok people, this can be real! You just dont understand, you cannot do these things we mustle and only power. I train wingchun juijitsu and taichi, when least amount of effort is used with right posture stuff like this happens. Dont ask me how, but guys at jiujitsu often become victom to stuff like this by me. I dont even how it happens i just apply my taichi postures during jiujitsu training. It gives it an extra boost, especialy when you use the right type of energie vs what they apply on you. Its not about technique, that wont get you there. Its about the body and mind understanding the postures and oponents mental intent... not fake at all. When somebody does this without touch i am very sceptic!!!
I might have explained too much. I grew up in Taiwan, lived here in USA and visited China quite often. My last trip was a few weeks ago. Traditionally, chi has been used to cure from cancer to eye disease. Some people can heat up or move around objects without touching them. I say these performances are partf of "nature" not yet fully understood. Even on understanding supported by logics and science, only a few comprehend isomorphism in group theory in higher math. Evolution is in consciousness.
I am not an expert on Tai Chi but in taking it for a few weeks I gained a centre of balance that was unexplainable. Once my roommate who was much larger than me went to push me. Without thinking and with an ounce of my energy I took his arm and threw him to the end of the room. We didnt know what happened. I quit Thai Chi because it felt like I was outside of my body and it scared me. I believe there is more to it then just physics.
nah, this stuff's real. it has to do with listening power, following power, borrowing power... etc. all this is clearly explained in the classics. it's foolish pride that takes something clearly defined and turns it into a big problem.
Why do people keep thinking it is fake, you should really try it by yourself. I have also been very critical until I met a wing chung grandmaster. He told me to push him as hard as I could. The harder I pushed, the more I got bounced back. It is real, trust me. Its like a spring, the harder you push, the harder it pushes back. Huang was a master in this, but I dont know much about him. If you are really interested I'd ask GNMIman.
It is amazing how the untrained and unlearned are the first to speak in such matters. "Bullshitdo,etc" = beyond your conception or experience. I have felt this type of energy. It is ok, if your experience, up to now, is limited. Simply ask "how?", if you cannot understand...
You must be extremely gullible. I have been living and training in China for 9 years and trust me this is fake. Hell even my Chen taiji teacher from Henan province can't believe this nonsense.
I hear you my friend, but I look at T'ai-Chi from a number of different perspectives and none of them give me a hard time if I'm not dogmatic about them. They're like lenses to me, different ways of seeing. Sometimes the Western scientific model is useful, sometimes the "chi" model, sometimes Feldenkrais, sometimes kinesiology, sometimes combinations...But then I'm a Free-Style Taoist, not an orthodox or traditional one. Best of luck to all of us in our ongoing process of touching the mystery.
This is no different from a religious mind, they believe it so much, that they lend themselves to play the fool for the sake of blind faith. The thing is that, they twist a good excersice and turn it into shenanigans.
I like to focus first on skeletal posture, then on relaxing the muscles that are too tense and firming the ones that are too soft until the movements are fluid and graceful, then opening and suspending the joints so that the nervous system is an open and free energetic channel of information to and from the brain, then coordinating the movements into a "ripple of power" from foot to hand and back again. When the whole body moves and flows together it doesn't feel like you're forcing anything.
when i was 16 i saw a video with a tai chi master that broke some windows without touching them. he stood still and then he did a surtain move and those windows crashed, i was amazed about that power and for years i've been trying to find that vid on youtube and cannot find it...but i know that was a follower of San Feng Taiji is more than meets the eye.
we all innate resist, resisting is something we learn before we can even speak, its simply part of our balance if someone pokes you in the chest your not going to tip over because your weight automatically shifts to compensate. the reason it appears the students are "overreacting" is because they train not to resist at all, so he bearly touches them and they tip over, or run to catch their balance, the thinking behind this is that in order to learn to redirect an attackers momentum you cant rest
Depends on what you mean by "self defense". The 2 most patient & sneaky adversaries you will ever face are gravity & time. Good posture, alignment, & efficient use of strength in daily life will help you defend against both & many other things. There are T'ai-Chi people who use it for combat. I'm not one of them. But I do like martial training. Any MA can be good for street fighting if you train & apply its principles at that level of intensity. I think it's the fighter, not the art that counts.
Come on people, this is a demonstration. The students are not resisting but neither are they throwing themselves, they are just letting their master do his thing.
I used to think this stuff was bullshit until my hardnosed coach who is a 7th dan in goju ryu karate told me a story of where he was propelled backwards with "chi" from an old chinese man.
I was "propelled" myself , this is not only realbut to behonest I saw even weirdest ones live in front of me and felt it on my skin with no trickery and not once... it is not even mystical or anything strange ... it is just a decently learned skill; .. people are just really shallow and dumbed down by all those "standard science model" BS and whoever sows or claims anything out of that in-boxed dbrainwashing is being automatically isolated and laughed at ... we still live in middle ages it seems...
Real alright. I feel you man. shallow standard sciences is all they want you to know, we arnt allowed to think outside the box, and if we do we must be crazy (sarcasm) Truth is being trapped, creativity being suppressed, lies are being told as common knowledge.
Mace Windu Its not true! The only thing wrong is the understanding of the people about the approach of Science. Science would always try to explain an unknown phenomenon through the known laws, even if its the least acceptable one. Another fact about the approach of Science, if something can't be proven by Science, it doesn't exist, even if you see it with your own two eyes on a bright sunny day! The best Science can do in accepting it is by classing it as "Unexplained Phenomenon".
LordKellthe1st lol yeah, the only way someone who has concluded what he believes will listen to any new, possibly scary information is experience (even then, maybe not). You really lose any control over your body.
LordKellthe1st yeah I agree, simply being more aware of how you move can make a hell of a difference. lol i know what u mean! Although there is more to this than body mechanics. The 'qi' aspect comes when you view it through the lens of quantum mechanics. Masters actually understand beyond concept these energetic principles. Its similar to acupuncture in fact, sure you can create some positive effects simply by basic needling techniques but to have any real impact, you need to be able to manipulate energy just like these masters - and very few practitioners can do that in the west. Because we lack the tech to easily be able to view in energy terms, it is often not possible. But I think just as you would use an x-ray, CAT scan etc. to view different dimensions of the body, is how energy should be seen as.
My mind is not made up and I'm not absolutely certain here...but my basic view is that everything that "is" is natural & part of Nature. And I hold by what I said: I haven't seen anyone do anything with "chi" alone and I've never seen anyone do anything that defied the laws of everyday Newtonian physics. This stuff does not need to be mystified. T'ai-Chi skill is not paranormal. Exquisitely applied physics is still magical in its own way. This is just my take so far. It's a work in progress. GB
Maybe I don't, but I've never seen anyone, Dave included, do anything that violated the laws of physics. This is not meant as a cut in any way...Good T'ai-Chi to me is exquisitely applied physics that takes many years to learn & apply. Using the opponent's mind & momentum to off-balance & defeat him is also physics in my book. By "physics" I mean using "the laws of Nature" as opposed to some mysterious non-physical force. Dave told me as much himself: Magic is what you don't understand yet.
It depends on what you mean by "muscular force". If you used no muscular force at all you couldn't get out of bed, let alone do T'ai-Chi. As I see it, all movement comes from the use of muscular force of one kind or another. What most T'ai-Chi people mean when they say they don't use muscular force is that they don't use "local" muscular force or excessive muscular force. Well coordinated integrative whole body use of muscular force aligned with the laws of physics is very powerful.
for what it's worth, i've seen this same demo by master huang live - when he was still alive, of course. and i still don't believe it. mind you, i'm not saying if i went up to push or grap him, i won't get thrown around like a rag doll. i just think the unnecessary exaggeration destroy their credibility instead of helped it.
make no mistake, master huang was good. exactly how good, i won't know, but many experience and skilled martial artists did come and learned from him. i just happened to grew up seeing him occasionally because my parents learned tai chi at his school (for exercise), at my middle age, i fight better than my parents at their age - we fooled around a little at home a few times but that's not fair because i'm younger and obviously faster and stronger. i'm sure there are a few guys in her school i can't beat, i won't get into grappling match with them, because i'm not trained in bjj, or judo or akd or the like, and i know many of them will have problems with fast, long range attacks, kicks and punches - so yeah if you want to kick asses do tkd, muay thai, or boxing or something, if you want to win a grappling match, do bj, judo or even another style of tai chi that put more emphasis on fight training. at the end of the day, it's down to individual fighter, not the style that counts. i didn't have the opportunity but i'm convinced that, at his prime, i won't be able to get near master huang.
The borrowing of your opponents force and application of force with precise timing and at the correct angle. That is how this guy is throwing these people around. In a real fight there would be little reason to use more demonstrative moves when a few simple punches would get the job done. This is a demonstration of his skills, not an example of how he would look using them in a fight.
@clitmint BL's 1 inch punch was mostly a matter of body dynamics, no Chi. Which is actually kind of silly for me to say because everything we do is matter of Chi, regardless if we know it or not.
Take the English Romantic poetry for instance. Samuel Taylor Coleridge used to deliberate on the natural and supernatural, a theme underlying "The Ancient Mariner". Once a person made such distinction, his vision and understanding are obstructed because the supernatural should be part of "nature" as well, thus opening for human understanding a wider and deeper realm. Many westerners would say "this can not be true" because of its unnatural basis. Muse again on Coleridge's "the infinite I am".
@dreadkos The style is essentially a ritual to help focus your intent. Once the mind and intent are clear, the ritual (stepping-stone) is no longer necessary.
@wletu IMO, he's interfering with his opponent's timing, so his force is "backed up" & reversed on him. Say you bend your arm to push someone and just as you start to straighten it, I enter in and jam your forearm so it can't come forward. As your arm straightens you end up pushing yourself backwards in addition to receiving my jamming force. I could teach you how in 5 minutes. What takes a lifetime is learning to do it well, and with more and more real attacks...But any level of it is cool.
I learn aikido, it has many similiarities with taichi. I don't know if the student exaggerating. But in aikido it's really hurt if u reject the flow. So we usually need to learn how to throw ourself before learning how to throw other. Maybe that's how they get thrown all around
tuishou is about following the other's flow, so you never really try to resist it, you try to redirect it, that's why they look "soft" or "exaggerating". If you just stood still, it would be much easier for him to move you, when you feel tension while tuishou, you attack that place.
@roadsterdriver sure. most people seem to operate on the principle "if it existed, i would know about it. if i don't know about it, it doesn't exist". like i said, some things can only be experienced directly; reading about them or seeing a video are not the same
@cliftonite187 no it's not about money it's a real power but i think not the psychical power but a physical power. I am doing tai chi and sometimes my master say to attack him and he is doing the same thing like in the video. I am sorry for my english because i am not englishman and my masters are Radek Kolar and Zhu Tiancai.
Tbh bro if youre being serious you have alot to learn. Try to move something only with your finger. Then your finger andd your wrist. Then your finger your wrist and your forearm etc. Each additional muscle group adds points of damage to the power level youre generating. Eevntually if you get used to linking everything it looks like youre doing nothing but your adding tons of damage all combined at once to form a mich higher damage strike.
this guy would probably shrink that guy down to a pea (energetically specking) and leave him in a meditative sitting position, to help him relieve some tension that made him want to punch him in the first place lol
When an opponent goes on the offensive in the way that these people do they must shift their balance and exert effort What the master appears to be doing is to redirect this energy and throw off the balance of the attacker and keep them in that state its cool and quite real but vs a martial art where maintaining one's balance during a fight and throwing blows are taught and practiced it would most likely not be effective as they won't just throw their body weight at you
@Draqonfly Excellent question. Here's the answer: if you're training with someone who has god-like power, it makes you good by association, even if you're a clown. If these guys trained in, say, Judo, they'd never distinguish themselves, except as wimps. There you have it.
I don't think I know all the elements. T'ai-Chi like everything else has a mysterious nature that as you say, "can't be named"...but it also has parts and pieces and obeys the laws of everyday physics too...I see these views as lenses, each of which reveals some of what it is but not all, as you say. I just have a basic "take" like everyone else. When people get all mystical and magical, I tend to emphasize the physical. And vice-versa. I'm mostly about balance and getting a knack for it.
@derposi It is very true indeed. But your view doesnt reguire outside experience for it to change. Learn to change it from within. Learn to knw yourself and u can also learn to do this and much more. Peace.
Did you guys see that video where they took one of those chi masters and put him against an american MMA fighter? old guy got punched in the face and gave up instantly.
Not good analogy of anything, it is not chi making him move, only structure with alignement and directional aim that makes him move, as long as he is using root and structure and intention.
its funny how its ALWAYS "Students" that are being used as test subjects. A child brought in from the street would be able to kick his ass without any problem, since the have no clue that this is all an act.
This is the most flagrant example I've seen yet of students deliberately falling down at the slightest touch to make their "grandmaster" look good. For shame!
Is it possible that hypnosis; some sort of power of suggestion is at work with these students? They expect to be disabled by Chi power of the master, and their bodies react.
i've seen Master Huang live many years ago. i was skeptical and always regretted not volunteering to be one of his "victims". but i was very young and my MA training was minimal at that time. i'm sure i would have been flying all over the stage but i always wonder if it would have looked so "fake"...
If you can see how one by one each falls, its so similar like the rest, if the so called chi really hit and opponent, one wouldn't fall so gracefully. Like seriously!!!
Well, if it is "energy" and can throw people away like that, it should work on non-living objects too. Let's try and push a car or a heavy object and see how far he can push it. And hence, Bullshitdo!
I don't understand what he is doing. To me it's only obvious that he's guiding them with his hands, but what else lies behind it that makes them get tossed around like that? Can anyone explain that to me besides saying it's fake?
i do not know if this is real or not, but i have seen other things that most people who see them in a movie would think are fake, done for real. in a fight for his black belt, i saw the student get kicked with a halfstep sidekick that threw him 20 feet through the air into a cinder block wall, and he was several feet in the air still when he hit it. the student did pass the test, but the interesting thing, it looks impossible, but i was there and saw, no tricks. other stuff, comment too long
and, i learned to do stuff myself i would have thought impossible. so, who knows, this may be real (but there are also tricksters out there in the world too ;)
I believe Chi does exist. I do not see how the force of such a motion can control a human in such a way. Unless it is an act. The law's of physics and the law's of nature is what our current society believes is possible. What i believe is that, Chi, is an electromagnetic form of energy. Maybe its similiar to psychic abilities if humans can control that frequency of energy. Well i don't know too much about psychic stuff. I don't believe its super-natural. It's a natural thing that humans have.
A bunch of you clearly dont understand real tai chi. Real tai chi takes work, a lot of sweat and blood. There is no such thing as using pure "chi" enegy. Sorry to say what you call tai chi is an americandized version taught because westerners were too lazy to really out in the work. People who believe in this pure internal crap are mindless. But hey, dont take it from me, take it from Sun Lutang: "Today discussion of [Chinese] boxing often revolves around internal and external styles. Some call 'Shaolin' external and 'Wudang' internal; or consider Buddhist styles external and Taoist internal. In truth, such a distinction is quite superficial. In name we may distinguish between Shaolin and Wudang, but in substance there is no difference between internal and external styles." 孫祿堂：「今之談拳術者，每雲有內外家之分。或稱少林為外家，武當為內家；或以在釋為外家，在道為內家；其實質皆皮相之見也。名則有少林武當之分，實則無內家外家之別。」
I'm honestly baffled by the ignorance of some of you people. I would love love LOVE to see all of you who are saying you could beat this guys ass actually try to, I mean please, post a video of it so you can be humiliated in front of the world and hopefully be humbled for once in your life. It kills me when I see people trying to talk this sort of stuff down. Just because you don't understand your own chi or the power of it in general doesn't mean other people are the same way, or for that matter can't master or behold its power. Kudos to those of you who have had the experience of actually feeling and recognizing this power.
Agreed, chi is very real, it dose not take years to understand... Please everyone read up, visit your nearest traditional kung fu glass and ask for it to be proved, they will gladly help... I personally practice wing chun and soft chi gon
that grandmaster has a damn great qi, and he knows to use it! My deepest respect! Thanks for uploading =)
This is a great comment, but imagine someone dedicating their life to that principle, spending hours a day increasing sensitivity and making their movements more and more subtle, now imagine that same person 50-60 years later and what that level of skill must look like to the untrained or far less experienced eye
Huang Sheng Shyan was a true world renowned taichi grandmaster from Kuching, Sarawak. I used to hear of him when I was a teenager. He was once challenged by a rascal who had some martial art skill and who insulted him that his taichi skill was fake. The rascal insulted him everyday and kept on challenging him to a fight. Finally after a few days, he accepted the fight and asked his students as witness. The rascal rush toward him and rain blows. Huang Sheng Shyan got hold of the rascal hand and lift it up then used his finger to pierce at his armpit. The rascal immediately dropped on the floor motionless. After half an hour, the rascal body began to turn black and vomit blood. Huang Sheng Shyan sensing he was about to die, quickly tapped him on a pressure point at the back and the rascal slowly recovered.
+David Tay And then you woke up.
I've been practicing this stuff for over 20 yrs. My take is that it's all physics, that is to say, alignment, timing, & correct use of muscular force. Amazing, but not supernatural, just a good mix of talent & work. This man's entering skills & timing are very good. AND..he's got some cooperative students there who maintain their structure so that his force moves them through space. If he faced strangers doing whatever, I think his T'ai-Chi would still be good, but it would not look like this.
He challegened a wrestler on film and it looked a whole lot like this 👍
This chinsee master derives energy from the universe. Groups of Tibet monk visited here where I live ,andone monk put off candle light from many meters distance.
Right on. And I don't have to imagine it, I've touched hands with a few of them in my life and it's pretty amazing. ;~) GB
mir kommen jedes mal Tränen in die Augen.
die Vollendung,,, das Ziel...danke
I call shenanigans. This is akin to a televangelist laying on hands and healing someone as they crumple to the floor. The subject has to cooperate and fall down.
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I practice this every morning .. and my shit goes literally flying and into the hole down my toilet :)
I personally have trained in Shaolin Qigong Yi Jin Jing since I was 14. I have felt the crumbling force of "chi" circulate throughout my entire body. On one encounter with an officer, I placed my hand on his rib cage, and projected my chi. He was crumbling to the floor in agony, because his body was feeling what I was feeling during Training (the numbing sensation of chi circulating through constricted meridians and channels.) If only you could bear witness to the healing abilities that Chi can offer, then you too would overstand.
+EyeWitness Infinity I honestly can't tell if you are fucking with the other guy and bullshitting him, or just really gullible.
My years of experience in Kung Fu and Tai Chi is that what offen seems real is fake (movies) and what is real seems fake. If you can locate the balance and uproot it you defeat the opponent. Does not take a lot of strength to knock someone over if you get them off balance. Notice that what looks like just his hand doing the push he is also using his body and different parts to uproot the opponent. Very subtle.
Don Walth That seems pretty cool. I've never thought about it like that. "What seems real it's fake and what seems fake is real"
I actually would like to learn Tai Chi, but first I want to know more information about it. Do you have any suggestions?
Fake or not it really depends on your definition.
If you mean the students are compliant, and exaggerating the effects, then yes, it is fake.
If you are talking about the master's actual skills, then it is not fake.
And the reason why students are selected for such demonstrations, it is simply to make the demonstration look good. Not an approach I would personally agree with, but then I'm no master at all.
This is MARTIAL ARTS---TAIJI ! People know none about it see it just like that , probably like a game ! This master's arts is of very , very high level ! ,,,,,,,,
Ok people, this can be real! You just dont understand, you cannot do these things we mustle and only power. I train wingchun juijitsu and taichi, when least amount of effort is used with right posture stuff like this happens. Dont ask me how, but guys at jiujitsu often become victom to stuff like this by me. I dont even how it happens i just apply my taichi postures during jiujitsu training. It gives it an extra boost, especialy when you use the right type of energie vs what they apply on you. Its not about technique, that wont get you there. Its about the body and mind understanding the postures and oponents mental intent... not fake at all. When somebody does this without touch i am very sceptic!!!
I believe this is real!
My father train's this sort of pushing hands:P
Very good old Tai Chi master demo. You can see the old bugger having a good laugh bouncing his students around. :]
I might have explained too much. I grew up in Taiwan, lived here in USA and visited China quite often. My last trip was a few weeks ago. Traditionally, chi has been used to cure from cancer to eye disease. Some people can heat up or move around objects without touching them. I say these performances are partf of "nature" not yet fully understood. Even on understanding supported by logics and science, only a few comprehend isomorphism in group theory in higher math. Evolution is in consciousness.
I am not an expert on Tai Chi but in taking it for a few weeks I gained a centre of balance that was unexplainable. Once my roommate who was much larger than me went to push me. Without thinking and with an ounce of my energy I took his arm and threw him to the end of the room. We didnt know what happened. I quit Thai Chi because it felt like I was outside of my body and it scared me. I believe there is more to it then just physics.
nah, this stuff's real. it has to do with listening power, following power, borrowing power... etc. all this is clearly explained in the classics. it's foolish pride that takes something clearly defined and turns it into a big problem.
Why do people keep thinking it is fake, you should really try it by yourself. I have also been very critical until I met a wing chung grandmaster. He told me to push him as hard as I could. The harder I pushed, the more I got bounced back. It is real, trust me. Its like a spring, the harder you push, the harder it pushes back. Huang was a master in this, but I dont know much about him. If you are really interested I'd ask GNMIman.
It is amazing how the untrained and unlearned are the first to speak in such matters. "Bullshitdo,etc" = beyond your conception or experience. I have felt this type of energy. It is ok, if your experience, up to now, is limited. Simply ask "how?", if you cannot understand...
How did you feel this energy ?
By projecting the experience from his own mind.
:) im new to tai chi Badowanjin and chuan but i like it and am slow learner
You must be extremely gullible. I have been living and training in China for 9 years and trust me this is fake. Hell even my Chen taiji teacher from Henan province can't believe this nonsense.
you 'cant understand' imaginary powers, of course we don't
if you think this is real then go ahead try it on anyone, i dare you
I hear you my friend, but I look at T'ai-Chi from a number of different perspectives and none of them give me a hard time if I'm not dogmatic about them. They're like lenses to me, different ways of seeing. Sometimes the Western scientific model is useful, sometimes the "chi" model, sometimes Feldenkrais, sometimes kinesiology, sometimes combinations...But then I'm a Free-Style Taoist, not an orthodox or traditional one. Best of luck to all of us in our ongoing process of touching the mystery.
This is no different from a religious mind, they believe it so much, that they lend themselves to play the fool for the sake of blind faith. The thing is that, they twist a good excersice and turn it into shenanigans.
I like to focus first on skeletal posture, then on relaxing the muscles that are too tense and firming the ones that are too soft until the movements are fluid and graceful, then opening and suspending the joints so that the nervous system is an open and free energetic channel of information to and from the brain, then coordinating the movements into a "ripple of power" from foot to hand and back again. When the whole body moves and flows together it doesn't feel like you're forcing anything.
Very impressive!A great grandmaster ! Thank you for the video.
wing chun is very skillful , 7 years minimum to get good grasp. im going to learn Xing yi..but i also do tai chi to relax...i love tai chi!
when i was 16 i saw a video with a tai chi master that broke some windows without touching them. he stood still and then he did a surtain move and those windows crashed, i was amazed about that power and for years i've been trying to find that vid on youtube and cannot find it...but i know that was a follower of San Feng
Taiji is more than meets the eye.
haha. He didn't even touch him and he falls in the audience! Thats power.
we all innate resist, resisting is something we learn before we can even speak, its simply part of our balance if someone pokes you in the chest your not going to tip over because your weight automatically shifts to compensate. the reason it appears the students are "overreacting" is because they train not to resist at all, so he bearly touches them and they tip over, or run to catch their balance, the thinking behind this is that in order to learn to redirect an attackers momentum you cant rest
Depends on what you mean by "self defense". The 2 most patient & sneaky adversaries you will ever face are gravity & time. Good posture, alignment, & efficient use of strength in daily life will help you defend against both & many other things. There are T'ai-Chi people who use it for combat. I'm not one of them. But I do like martial training. Any MA can be good for street fighting if you train & apply its principles at that level of intensity. I think it's the fighter, not the art that counts.
Come on people, this is a demonstration. The students are not resisting but neither are they throwing themselves, they are just letting their master do his thing.
Chinese actors are cool.
this guy mustve been the master of that japanese aikido dude that got owned by MMA fighter
I used to think this stuff was bullshit until my hardnosed coach who is a 7th dan in goju ryu karate told me a story of where he was propelled backwards with "chi" from an old chinese man.
I was "propelled" myself , this is not only realbut to behonest I saw even weirdest ones live in front of me and felt it on my skin with no trickery and not once... it is not even mystical or anything strange ... it is just a decently learned skill;
.. people are just really shallow and dumbed down by all those "standard science model" BS and whoever sows or claims anything out of that in-boxed dbrainwashing is being automatically isolated and laughed at ...
we still live in middle ages it seems...
Real alright. I feel you man. shallow standard sciences is all they want you to know, we arnt allowed to think outside the box, and if we do we must be crazy (sarcasm) Truth is being trapped, creativity being suppressed, lies are being told as common knowledge.
Mace Windu Its not true! The only thing wrong is the understanding of the people about the approach of Science. Science would always try to explain an unknown phenomenon through the known laws, even if its the least acceptable one. Another fact about the approach of Science, if something can't be proven by Science, it doesn't exist, even if you see it with your own two eyes on a bright sunny day! The best Science can do in accepting it is by classing it as "Unexplained Phenomenon".
It almost seemed like he was performing the tai chi movements without physically performing them
how do people not see that this is not real?? the people are obviously falling on their own, sometimes even running away from the "master" ....
LordKellthe1st lol yeah, the only way someone who has concluded what he believes will listen to any new, possibly scary information is experience (even then, maybe not). You really lose any control over your body.
LordKellthe1st yeah I agree, simply being more aware of how you move can make a hell of a difference. lol i know what u mean!
Although there is more to this than body mechanics. The 'qi' aspect comes when you view it through the lens of quantum mechanics. Masters actually understand beyond concept these energetic principles.
Its similar to acupuncture in fact, sure you can create some positive effects simply by basic needling techniques but to have any real impact, you need to be able to manipulate energy just like these masters - and very few practitioners can do that in the west.
Because we lack the tech to easily be able to view in energy terms, it is often not possible. But I think just as you would use an x-ray, CAT scan etc. to view different dimensions of the body, is how energy should be seen as.
i think there are martial artists that are so good, that people trow themselves subconsciously because they are so sure that they will get thrown.
The only way to find out is to find some one who knows this skill and test it out.
Let see if he do that to you that guy almost kill me once that is tai chi that guy has meditate for 50 years
My mind is not made up and I'm not absolutely certain here...but my basic view is that everything that "is" is natural & part of Nature. And I hold by what I said: I haven't seen anyone do anything with "chi" alone and I've never seen anyone do anything that defied the laws of everyday Newtonian physics. This stuff does not need to be mystified. T'ai-Chi skill is not paranormal. Exquisitely applied physics is still magical in its own way. This is just my take so far. It's a work in progress. GB
Maybe I don't, but I've never seen anyone, Dave included, do anything that violated the laws of physics. This is not meant as a cut in any way...Good T'ai-Chi to me is exquisitely applied physics that takes many years to learn & apply. Using the opponent's mind & momentum to off-balance & defeat him is also physics in my book. By "physics" I mean using "the laws of Nature" as opposed to some mysterious non-physical force. Dave told me as much himself: Magic is what you don't understand yet.
It depends on what you mean by "muscular force". If you used no muscular force at all you couldn't get out of bed, let alone do T'ai-Chi. As I see it, all movement comes from the use of muscular force of one kind or another. What most T'ai-Chi people mean when they say they don't use muscular force is that they don't use "local" muscular force or excessive muscular force. Well coordinated integrative whole body use of muscular force aligned with the laws of physics is very powerful.
Master Huang S.S. was legendary and there are several books about him by Patrick Kelly.
for what it's worth, i've seen this same demo by master huang live - when he was still alive, of course. and i still don't believe it.
mind you, i'm not saying if i went up to push or grap him, i won't get thrown around like a rag doll. i just think the unnecessary exaggeration destroy their credibility instead of helped it.
make no mistake, master huang was good. exactly how good, i won't know, but many experience and skilled martial artists did come and learned from him. i just happened to grew up seeing him occasionally because my parents learned tai chi at his school (for exercise), at my middle age, i fight better than my parents at their age - we fooled around a little at home a few times but that's not fair because i'm younger and obviously faster and stronger. i'm sure there are a few guys in her school i can't beat, i won't get into grappling match with them, because i'm not trained in bjj, or judo or akd or the like, and i know many of them will have problems with fast, long range attacks, kicks and punches - so yeah if you want to kick asses do tkd, muay thai, or boxing or something, if you want to win a grappling match, do bj, judo or even another style of tai chi that put more emphasis on fight training. at the end of the day, it's down to individual fighter, not the style that counts. i didn't have the opportunity but i'm convinced that, at his prime, i won't be able to get near master huang.
Okay, guys, I just bought you each a bottle of Jack Daniels. Now drink up! Okay, now let's film a training video.
The borrowing of your opponents force and application of force with precise timing and at the correct angle. That is how this guy is throwing these people around. In a real fight there would be little reason to use more demonstrative moves when a few simple punches would get the job done.
This is a demonstration of his skills, not an example of how he would look using them in a fight.
Care to elaborate a bit? Sorry, I don't really understand your comment. GB
@clitmint BL's 1 inch punch was mostly a matter of body dynamics, no Chi. Which is actually kind of silly for me to say because everything we do is matter of Chi, regardless if we know it or not.
Take the English Romantic poetry for instance. Samuel Taylor Coleridge used to deliberate on the natural and supernatural, a theme underlying "The Ancient Mariner". Once a person made such distinction, his vision and understanding are obstructed because the supernatural should be part of "nature" as well, thus opening for human understanding a wider and deeper realm. Many westerners would say "this can not be true" because of its unnatural basis. Muse again on Coleridge's "the infinite I am".
@dreadkos The style is essentially a ritual to help focus your intent. Once the mind and intent are clear, the ritual (stepping-stone) is no longer necessary.
@wletu IMO, he's interfering with his opponent's timing, so his force is "backed up" & reversed on him. Say you bend your arm to push someone and just as you start to straighten it, I enter in and jam your forearm so it can't come forward. As your arm straightens you end up pushing yourself backwards in addition to receiving my jamming force. I could teach you how in 5 minutes. What takes a lifetime is learning to do it well, and with more and more real attacks...But any level of it is cool.
I learn aikido, it has many similiarities with taichi. I don't know if the student exaggerating. But in aikido it's really hurt if u reject the flow. So we usually need to learn how to throw ourself before learning how to throw other. Maybe that's how they get thrown all around
of course they are his students and are trying their best to redirect the flow but that one kid really started pushing the master
tuishou is about following the other's flow, so you never really try to resist it, you try to redirect it, that's why they look "soft" or "exaggerating". If you just stood still, it would be much easier for him to move you, when you feel tension while tuishou, you attack that place.
@roadsterdriver sure. most people seem to operate on the principle "if it existed, i would know about it. if i don't know about it, it doesn't exist". like i said, some things can only be experienced directly; reading about them or seeing a video are not the same
@cliftonite187 no it's not about money it's a real power but i think not the psychical power but a physical power. I am doing tai chi and sometimes my master say to attack him and he is doing the same thing like in the video. I am sorry for my english because i am not englishman and my masters are Radek Kolar and Zhu Tiancai.
I learned this at KFC
I remain skeptical, but do post a reply to any of my comments here if you can find the video and can link to it. GB
shaoling soccer is a very funny film, i like this scene
I agree with you my friend and I don't think anything I've written on this thread contradicts what you are saying. Be well. GB
I think they just playing with him coz he is an old man :)
***** So funny :)
other wise what would make them not to hurt an old man ?! simple answer coz they won`t :)
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Tbh bro if youre being serious you have alot to learn. Try to move something only with your finger. Then your finger andd your wrist. Then your finger your wrist and your forearm etc. Each additional muscle group adds points of damage to the power level youre generating. Eevntually if you get used to linking everything it looks like youre doing nothing but your adding tons of damage all combined at once to form a mich higher damage strike.
this guy would probably shrink that guy down to a pea (energetically specking) and leave him in a meditative sitting position, to help him relieve some tension that made him want to punch him in the first place lol
When an opponent goes on the offensive in the way that these people do they must shift their balance and exert effort
What the master appears to be doing is to redirect this energy and throw off the balance of the attacker and keep them in that state
its cool and quite real but vs a martial art where maintaining one's balance during a fight and throwing blows are taught and practiced it would most likely not be effective as they won't just throw their body weight at you
yep. HE is realy master...
@Draqonfly Excellent question. Here's the answer: if you're training with someone who has god-like power, it makes you good by association, even if you're a clown. If these guys trained in, say, Judo, they'd never distinguish themselves, except as wimps.
There you have it.
I wish I was as good at chi as he is
I don't think I know all the elements. T'ai-Chi like everything else has a mysterious nature that as you say, "can't be named"...but it also has parts and pieces and obeys the laws of everyday physics too...I see these views as lenses, each of which reveals some of what it is but not all, as you say. I just have a basic "take" like everyone else. When people get all mystical and magical, I tend to emphasize the physical. And vice-versa. I'm mostly about balance and getting a knack for it.
Did you see the blue light flash at 00;54
Its a camera because it keeps flashing. But there's a blue trace on his body left behind.
@Blndrfist your from the US, what do you guys know of the world, except what you see on TV.
@derposi It is very true indeed. But your view doesnt reguire outside experience for it to change. Learn to change it from within. Learn to knw yourself and u can also learn to do this and much more. Peace.
Cool, very cool. congratulations, and thank you.
Did you guys see that video where they took one of those chi masters and put him against an american MMA fighter? old guy got punched in the face and gave up instantly.
Not good analogy of anything, it is not chi making him move, only structure with alignement and directional aim that makes him move, as long as he is using root and structure and intention.
its funny how its ALWAYS "Students" that are being used as test subjects. A child brought in from the street would be able to kick his ass without any problem, since the have no clue that this is all an act.
if you learn tai chi more deeply, tai chi using inner power too
This is the most flagrant example I've seen yet of students deliberately falling down at the slightest touch to make their "grandmaster" look good. For shame!
Is it possible that hypnosis; some sort of power of suggestion is at work with these students? They expect to be disabled by Chi power of the master, and their bodies react.
@Zatoichiswordman If we studied a fightingscene together where he emerges victorious, then.. only then,
maybe....
Before people bring up Bruce Lee's 1 inch punch, Bruce Lee never meditated ok.
@47WMATAIJI
No, it is a real fight! The master successful controls the student's nerve reaction.
Ok now do that with Junior Cigano, and I'll believe in you.
i've seen Master Huang live many years ago. i was skeptical and always regretted not volunteering to be one of his "victims". but i was very young and my MA training was minimal at that time. i'm sure i would have been flying all over the stage but i always wonder if it would have looked so "fake"...
If you can see how one by one each falls, its so similar like the rest, if the so called chi really hit and opponent, one wouldn't fall so gracefully. Like seriously!!!
Well, if it is "energy" and can throw people away like that, it should work on non-living objects too. Let's try and push a car or a heavy object and see how far he can push it. And hence, Bullshitdo!
I wonder how much this charlatan is charging his students. His students not only waste dollars; they waste time.
i think have to call mike tyson to spar with him since he barely move and sent those guys flying..
to fell other people's movement, and add some power from abdominal muscle, I think the old man's muscle is very strong
The "nature" as you understand it is or should be. Then again such definition is already pre-defined, confined or modified.
I don't understand what he is doing. To me it's only obvious that he's guiding them with his hands, but what else lies behind it that makes them get tossed around like that? Can anyone explain that to me besides saying it's fake?
You can't be hard on him. If you do, your bones or veins would hurt. Honest. The principle is to be soft like feather. Conquer hard with soft.
great comment
Yeah right
this was last year, the 87 /08/ 2016 why look so old?
who want to challenge this guy for 100 bucks? :D
and just reading a few more comments, if you don't believe what you see, vist your local tai chi teacher they would be happy to show you
i do not know if this is real or not, but i have seen other things that most people who see them in a movie would think are fake, done for real. in a fight for his black belt, i saw the student get kicked with a halfstep sidekick that threw him 20 feet through the air into a cinder block wall, and he was several feet in the air still when he hit it. the student did pass the test, but the interesting thing, it looks impossible, but i was there and saw, no tricks. other stuff, comment too long
and, i learned to do stuff myself i would have thought impossible. so, who knows, this may be real (but there are also tricksters out there in the world too ;)
Chuck Norris would sort this joke of a martial artist right out!
THIS IS NOT TAI CHI !!!!!!!!!! . This called " empty force "
if scientology was a martial art....
@dharmdharm maybe you should go meet a master...
There are people who actually believe this is legit 🙄
I believe Chi does exist. I do not see how the force of such a motion can control a human in such a way. Unless it is an act. The law's of physics and the law's of nature is what our current society believes is possible. What i believe is that, Chi, is an electromagnetic form of energy. Maybe its similiar to psychic abilities if humans can control that frequency of energy. Well i don't know too much about psychic stuff. I don't believe its super-natural. It's a natural thing that humans have.
A bunch of you clearly dont understand real tai chi. Real tai chi takes work, a lot of sweat and blood. There is no such thing as using pure "chi" enegy. Sorry to say what you call tai chi is an americandized version taught because westerners were too lazy to really out in the work. People who believe in this pure internal crap are mindless. But hey, dont take it from me, take it from Sun Lutang: "Today discussion of [Chinese] boxing often revolves around internal and external styles. Some call 'Shaolin' external and 'Wudang' internal; or consider Buddhist styles external and Taoist internal. In truth, such a distinction is quite superficial. In name we may distinguish between Shaolin and Wudang, but in substance there is no difference between internal and external styles."
孫祿堂：「今之談拳術者，每雲有內外家之分。或稱少林為外家，武當為內家；或以在釋為外家，在道為內家；其實質皆皮相之見也。名則有少林武當之分，實則無內家外家之別。」
I'm honestly baffled by the ignorance of some of you people. I would love love LOVE to see all of you who are saying you could beat this guys ass actually try to, I mean please, post a video of it so you can be humiliated in front of the world and hopefully be humbled for once in your life. It kills me when I see people trying to talk this sort of stuff down. Just because you don't understand your own chi or the power of it in general doesn't mean other people are the same way, or for that matter can't master or behold its power. Kudos to those of you who have had the experience of actually feeling and recognizing this power.
Agreed, chi is very real, it dose not take years to understand... Please everyone read up, visit your nearest traditional kung fu glass and ask for it to be proved, they will gladly help... I personally practice wing chun and soft chi gon