Wife's on a call, kids are all sleeping in, dogs are asleep from running all night. Time for RT vid and a bit of KCM, then life begins. ut yes always a great way to start the day.
@@MaleMan-o7 amen. I still and will always miss all the great doggos that have accompanied me in my 40 years of existence. Life truly is better with a good dog at your side.
This is a really great watch honestly don't stop with the focus of games on specific players. It's really cool getting into their thought process & style of game play. Also hope you & the family had a great Christmas as always it's a pleasure to watch your vods.
"Now, this is a replay all about how My nexus first got flipped-turned upside down And I'd like to take a minute Just sit right there I'll tell you how I became the caster of a town called Bel-Aiur In West Antioch born and raised On the battleground was where I spent most of my days Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool And all shootin' some psi storms outside of the school When a couple of terran guys who were up to no good Started making trouble in my neighborhood I got in one little fight and my Executor got scared She said, "You're movin' with your praetor and judicator in Bel-Aiur""
Is NOBODY else going to talk about the marines in the first push left to attack the pylon? I think him leaving the marines there while he went to micro the vulture was a huge blunder. When the zealot and dragoon went up the ramp to chase the vulture, but then decided to turn around, i swear he had enough time there to push his marines forward and wreck havoc on the probes. He would have dealt massive damage to his economy, and IMHO that would have let ForGG win this game. The counter would have never happened. He would have sat his units home to protect his base and let forgg so whatever the hell he wants. Its the exact same play i have seen flash do on artycasts multiple times - expand and gain map control
The Marines held the goon and zealot down. He basically maximized killing probes. To me It seems as if he was experimenting and was taking calculated risks with builds. He might be on to something new.
@ i mean like, yes micro the vulture to kill the probes, but i meant like he should have pushed his marines into the mineral line in his natural and let them just auto attack the probes while he went back to micro the vulture
Honestly ForGG is my new favorite thing going on in SCBW, and to have artosis contextualize what he’s doing is something I have begun looking forward to every day.
Was it due to the supply block though? I think 4gg's last attack at 7:00 was just kinda silly. Should have turtled to let his advantage build and then push out with siege tanks. He was outnumbered and outmicro'd and this left him too vulnerable. He had such a powerhouse building but left the front door open to do a push that just wasn't gonna cut it. Plz more ForGG ^^
Can you explain what turn rate means? Thanks for the daily uploads. I support your Patreon and appreciate all you do to keep this game accessible to old fans like me.
I'm a bit confused at Terran's play in this one. The attack on Protoss with the vultures and tanks seemed very unwise. He had no chance of breaking Protoss with those unsieged tanks. He lost them for nothing to trade for a few dragoons and zealots. It seemed to me as if he lost right there. He had nothing at all to stop the Protoss counter-attack. He then seems to go Goliaths to counter shuttle play, but that is a pointless move when he has no tanks to defend against the incoming dragoons. It just seemed to me as if Terran completely threw away his small early game advantage by getting his tanks pointlessly killed and then not replacing them.
Hi! Question unrelated to video- what's up with the next CNSL? Seems like months since the last time I heard anything about it, and googling isn't helping. Did I miss some sort of announcement?
You think I get sick of any of this? Of course not! These casts are so good they entice me to go play Broodwar. And then I play Broodwar. And I lose. And I stop playing until these casts inspire me again.
It seems like ForGG is focusing on getting the most trade efficient armies early on and just grinding constantly. It can fall on its face sometimes but as long as he keeps grinding this style, his micro and decision making will adjust and he can rival the top
How long has ForGG been back? Because I like his strategic approach a LOT, and the fact that he's at this level despite making mistakes pretty much unheard of at this level is a sign he's doing something right, but the fact that he was straight up supply blocked for a minute straight just cost him the game. If he just... doesn't do that he'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Im surprised Forgg. Didnt go 2+More factories+Production build Cc in main and then float and stabilise into a mid-Later game attack right while protoss goes 4/5 Nexus.
The terran saw the shuttle with zealots at 7:23 and instead of immediately preparing for a possible counter push by the protoss to his main then instead he got himself supply blocked with SCVs and started going for a third when the protoss himself did not have a third practically staying defenseless for entire minutes and waiting to lose. Are we trying to play a strategy game like a third person shooter and expecting to win?
Missle turrets seems kind of weak to me, though of course im certainly no pro. ForGG going without turrets and doing mass goliath is pretty fun to see, a nice change up.
I think it's more of the fact you need your factories pumping out vultures and tanks for the incoming attack rather than using the factories for air defense at this point in the game. Can build a whole bunch of turrets without sacrificing your factory from building those vultures/tanks. I still think turrets are horrible, but there at times in the game where you'd rather spend supply/production on tanks/vultures.
Turrets are pretty strong, because they cost only 75 mineral+lost mining time and need no building to be produced from and cost no supply as a "unit". It means you can make as many as you want AND build them in parallel, which are huge advantages in themselves. In its niche, the turret is perfectly fine
Hard to say how good this build is long term when luck played everything. He sent in a vulture early that was totally ignored and got 7+ probe kills. If that vulture was killed game was totally different
Artosis you are a human encyclopaedia of starcraft. Your casting is on point every video and your streams are always a learning experience mixed with humour. I feel you could remake the game yourself if it suddenly vanished from earth, maybe with a few tweaks to protoss and defilers though 😉
Artosis, so you are saying forGG would win if he placed a wall in the natural? Because that is what I thought when you cut out the video, put the barracks there, place a supply depot next to it. Done!
MASSIVE miss-read by ForGG. He should've just built 2-3 more factories and got up to 5-6 factories. Would've easily held the push and won. Building the 3rd CC at the expansion is way too greedy.
they are, but hes doing off meta things that are interesting and definitely have some good thoughts into them. Reminds me ofthose early flash games where he kept losing but was doing some smart things that beame meta
ForGG again bro? Dude this guy sucks regardless of his past as a once decent player. It happens to a lot of people, just because he's a Terran you liked a lot doesn't mean we need 5 videos in a row on this dude, does it?
I enjoy these 'rabbit holes' you go into with specific players.
Nice little winter thunderstorm outside right now. Wife had to work today, so just me and the dogs watching some arty on the couch.
Wife's on a call, kids are all sleeping in, dogs are asleep from running all night. Time for RT vid and a bit of KCM, then life begins. ut yes always a great way to start the day.
@ love the husky picture! I’ve got a black pittie and a little beagle husky mix, and she definitely rules the roost.
My little dog passed away last week. She was 17 years old. I'll always miss her.
@@MaleMan-o7 amen. I still and will always miss all the great doggos that have accompanied me in my 40 years of existence. Life truly is better with a good dog at your side.
Where are you?
Forget chills. We have tears now.
Chilly tears.
I'm having heart attack here
This is a really great watch honestly don't stop with the focus of games on specific players. It's really cool getting into their thought process & style of game play. Also hope you & the family had a great Christmas as always it's a pleasure to watch your vods.
The freshest new way to lose against Nexus first lol
Another thumbnail fakeout
We get it Arty, you are about to write a research paper on how ForGG has a personal woe against the missile turrets.
Probably a missile turret failed an important game for him once.
Thanks to you, he doesn't have to.
"Now, this is a replay all about how
My nexus first got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how I became the caster of a town called Bel-Aiur
In West Antioch born and raised
On the battleground was where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool
And all shootin' some psi storms outside of the school
When a couple of terran guys who were up to no good
Started making trouble in my neighborhood
I got in one little fight and my Executor got scared
She said, "You're movin' with your praetor and judicator in Bel-Aiur""
need to hear this as a TTS tonight
Lmao awesome
Hahahaha thank you for that awesomeness
Chills are dead, long live the tears!
Learning english together with Arty
flash skipped ebay and turrets vs larva yesterday on stream. vod available.
Where?
@@מתןאיבסflash would know
nah man, hit me up with more ForGG games, good stuff
Hey Artosis, wanna wish you a happy holidays.
Loving this new Artosiscast.
Hope you're not to cold up there in PEI.
Cheers
Artosis! You are the tip of the spear for StarCraft analysis! Stay as sharp as you've ever been, you embody what we all love.
Those marines really hated that pylon.
we will NEVER be sick of ForGG it's like watching a totally different game every time
Is NOBODY else going to talk about the marines in the first push left to attack the pylon?
I think him leaving the marines there while he went to micro the vulture was a huge blunder.
When the zealot and dragoon went up the ramp to chase the vulture, but then decided to turn around, i swear he had enough time there to push his marines forward and wreck havoc on the probes.
He would have dealt massive damage to his economy, and IMHO that would have let ForGG win this game.
The counter would have never happened. He would have sat his units home to protect his base and let forgg so whatever the hell he wants.
Its the exact same play i have seen flash do on artycasts multiple times - expand and gain map control
The Marines held the goon and zealot down. He basically maximized killing probes.
To me It seems as if he was experimenting and was taking calculated risks with builds. He might be on to something new.
@ i mean like, yes micro the vulture to kill the probes, but i meant like he should have pushed his marines into the mineral line in his natural and let them just auto attack the probes while he went back to micro the vulture
BROODWAR,IT'S WHATS FOR BREAKFAST.
Can you pass me the dragoon souce please.
Was hoping to see the landscape littered in dragoon sauce. Not so much in this one 😢
@@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175 well I wanted a bit more because it felt it was not enough.
tha supply block was so incredibly tragic
This one got emotional near the end.
Honestly ForGG is my new favorite thing going on in SCBW, and to have artosis contextualize what he’s doing is something I have begun looking forward to every day.
Nothing better than a mug of coffee and some tosis casts on a cold snowy winter morn!
And fast expand punish.
Hope that warm coffee doesn't stop the CHILLS.
Surprised Arty isn't casting the Ladder Soulkey vs Flash games
Me2
how are those going?
@@RomanHofstätter-i6b The ones I've seen Flash has gone 4-1 vs Soulkey
Was it due to the supply block though? I think 4gg's last attack at 7:00 was just kinda silly. Should have turtled to let his advantage build and then push out with siege tanks. He was outnumbered and outmicro'd and this left him too vulnerable. He had such a powerhouse building but left the front door open to do a push that just wasn't gonna cut it.
Plz more ForGG ^^
Can you explain what turn rate means?
Thanks for the daily uploads. I support your Patreon and appreciate all you do to keep this game accessible to old fans like me.
I'm a bit confused at Terran's play in this one. The attack on Protoss with the vultures and tanks seemed very unwise. He had no chance of breaking Protoss with those unsieged tanks. He lost them for nothing to trade for a few dragoons and zealots. It seemed to me as if he lost right there. He had nothing at all to stop the Protoss counter-attack. He then seems to go Goliaths to counter shuttle play, but that is a pointless move when he has no tanks to defend against the incoming dragoons.
It just seemed to me as if Terran completely threw away his small early game advantage by getting his tanks pointlessly killed and then not replacing them.
I'm not getting sick of forgg games and actually enjoy watching his different play style in comparison to the other pro terrans
It is like watching Speed. No funny business Terran.
Hi! Question unrelated to video- what's up with the next CNSL? Seems like months since the last time I heard anything about it, and googling isn't helping. Did I miss some sort of announcement?
Is there a reason Terran doesn't mine and float barracks on top of mines to fuck with goon obs?
Watching weird technical stuff outside the norm is neat
Nice! What's the name of this map?
It didn't take toss years and years to realize it... White-Ra was practicing it in 2008/2009 😂
You think I get sick of any of this? Of course not! These casts are so good they entice me to go play Broodwar. And then I play Broodwar. And I lose. And I stop playing until these casts inspire me again.
tears are new chills
It seems like ForGG is focusing on getting the most trade efficient armies early on and just grinding constantly. It can fall on its face sometimes but as long as he keeps grinding this style, his micro and decision making will adjust and he can rival the top
This would work without the massive 34 supply block. Mepo caught up in workers.
Zerg is so HYPE!
More variety in meta is what we want
Love it artosis - also great comment section you got here ~
Forgg’s nutty builds are fun to watch
You know IdrA would quip ForGG was going to do this build regardless of if he saw Nexus first or not! X)
I can watch endless TvP, as long as there is a Protoss who loses.
P.S. I miss Flash
I really would love to see forGG going for CC first in tvp.
Guys I got chills
How long has ForGG been back? Because I like his strategic approach a LOT, and the fact that he's at this level despite making mistakes pretty much unheard of at this level is a sign he's doing something right, but the fact that he was straight up supply blocked for a minute straight just cost him the game. If he just... doesn't do that he'll be a force to be reckoned with.
Im surprised Forgg. Didnt go 2+More factories+Production build Cc in main and then float and stabilise into a mid-Later game attack right while protoss goes 4/5 Nexus.
2025 resolution. Get you someone who loves you the way Artosis loves Broodwar. Bruh!
The terran saw the shuttle with zealots at 7:23 and instead of immediately preparing for a possible counter push by the protoss to his main then instead he got himself supply blocked with SCVs and started going for a third when the protoss himself did not have a third practically staying defenseless for entire minutes and waiting to lose. Are we trying to play a strategy game like a third person shooter and expecting to win?
MOAR FOUR GEE GEE!!
If forGG had made some fire bats I think he would have won
Arty legit crying.. damn good cast
He’s got Nada.
We've all played games like this that we "should" have won.
Keep the forgg streak going
...we're gonna see ForGG's TvT after his TvP's are done, right? Riiiiiiiiight?
I hoped for nuke.
always
Missle turrets seems kind of weak to me, though of course im certainly no pro. ForGG going without turrets and doing mass goliath is pretty fun to see, a nice change up.
I think it's more of the fact you need your factories pumping out vultures and tanks for the incoming attack rather than using the factories for air defense at this point in the game. Can build a whole bunch of turrets without sacrificing your factory from building those vultures/tanks.
I still think turrets are horrible, but there at times in the game where you'd rather spend supply/production on tanks/vultures.
Turrets are pretty strong, because they cost only 75 mineral+lost mining time and need no building to be produced from and cost no supply as a "unit". It means you can make as many as you want AND build them in parallel, which are huge advantages in themselves. In its niche, the turret is perfectly fine
We need more ForGg !!
Hard to say how good this build is long term when luck played everything. He sent in a vulture early that was totally ignored and got 7+ probe kills. If that vulture was killed game was totally different
these daily uploads really getting me thru unemployment 💪
merry Chillsmas
you managed to miss the zealot action in terran base during the first terran attack, twice >_
wtf terran forgot to build supply depots after he built like 8 scvs
more ForGG, please!
Yes, more forgg!
He lost when he sent the mini-army at 6:50.
Terrans always seem to overcommit early game.
CHILLTOSIS!
lost due to supply block :/
Love 4gg, love new ideas to the game by pros. There is no meta. This is starcraft
4gg hates missile turret lol
We in this
The Terran is a a greedy all in player....
Artosis you are a human encyclopaedia of starcraft. Your casting is on point every video and your streams are always a learning experience mixed with humour. I feel you could remake the game yourself if it suddenly vanished from earth, maybe with a few tweaks to protoss and defilers though 😉
Forgg threw the game so that protoss won't know that nexus first is dead
Artosis, so you are saying forGG would win if he placed a wall in the natural? Because that is what I thought when you cut out the video, put the barracks there, place a supply depot next to it. Done!
MASSIVE miss-read by ForGG. He should've just built 2-3 more factories and got up to 5-6 factories. Would've easily held the push and won. Building the 3rd CC at the expansion is way too greedy.
Nuke the Nexus!
GIVE US TVT!!?
Welcome to ForGGcast
Terrains need to wall the natural every game. Ebay as gate if its tvp.
How many games end because protoss just walk into nat?
Bruh
Comments
feels like these forGG games are lower quality
they are, but hes doing off meta things that are interesting and definitely have some good thoughts into them.
Reminds me ofthose early flash games where he kept losing but was doing some smart things that beame meta
ForGG again bro? Dude this guy sucks regardless of his past as a once decent player. It happens to a lot of people, just because he's a Terran you liked a lot doesn't mean we need 5 videos in a row on this dude, does it?
You are a great caster but enough of these shitty games. There wasnt one cool thing about this replay. Time to find a new replay source.
First
First!
how could he lose from this position
You cannot build two armories concurrently. You aren't Flash.