I absolutely love these types of deep dives. I look at ArtosisCasts as similar to the regular season of traditional sports, with SSL as the Playoffs. You definitely help to establish more robust narrative through lines.
As a P player who did pretty much this exact P opener for years: you can't normally do it against a 3 fact. You cannot rely on observer scouting it as by that time you may have already committed the resources. There are a few options such as relying on goon or random probe noticing the moveout, you can start and cancel(if there is no attack) your last 2 goons right before placing the nexus, etc. Alternative is to(slightly) cut probes for faster 3rd nexus with both tech and constant unit production, the eco can still be better than not cutting probes and staying 2base longer, but you're still going to be more vulnerable with more places to defend. But if you don't do anything of the above, and try a 6-6:30-ish citadel + 2nd gas +immediate follow-up stargate and archives + 3rd nexus, and T either cut scvs for a 3fact or e.g. cut e-bay/acad/2nd gas/armory entirely, you're just done.
When you talk about how ForGG should've let the tanks come up during the attack, there's also one thing I noticed with how ForGG conducted the attack. If you look at what he's doing with the vultures, he's herding Zelia's dragoons against the wall there by hooking some vultures against the wall Zelia made, then the mines come out. They got nowhere to go, so, kaboom, dead dragoons. It just really succeeded this time around.
I don't understand how those vults laid so many mines there. Was that some kind of micro trick? Or is that standard? He had them each lay 2 mines so fast.
@7:05 I agreed with you at first, but after seeing the whole play go through, I believe the vultures engaging first was the correct move. The vultures laid mines near observatory, which prevented the dragoons from being able to retreat.
As a player who played pure Terran and nothing else back in the day, i am unashamedly biased and 100% welcome any terran vs z/p casts you have to offer, even if they are the same player. On that note, i actually really love these “deep dives” as you call it because when you go 🤔🧐 you also make me go 🤔🧐 as well.
I don't get chills when I see ForGG play. I see a person that watches everyone else play the same strategies because they 'work,' or, 'we've done it this way for X months/years,' and does his own thing. It's refreshing. I played Age of Empires 2 for years, and for the longest time many people were playing Mirrored Huns on Arabia. At some point when you play the same teams/map combination for so long and all the same strategies/tactics are used, the person that plays against the grain will win. That's all that's happening here. It's refreshing.
i remember back when i was a wee lad and artosis was still in his 30s day 9 did a thing where he talked about how in pvz there's this big air war and both sides make air to air units and you'd think you could just make a bunch of ground units and just walk across the map but you CAN'T. now, in 2024, day 9 is a retired card game streamer, every pvz i see has a craploads of zealots and hydras running around, and forgg is just kinda making factory units and marching across the map and blowing up protosses that increase arty's blood pressure on the reg also hello mr artosis i hope you have a nice poop
I haven't played StarCraft in many years , but I really enjoy watching these videos , I learned so much more about the game by watching your videos vs playing the game
ForGG is actually looking kinda scary. I'd love to see him pull up to SSL. On that note, I really hate the tournament name change. I get that they're rebranding to SOOP, but it makes it easy for people who aren't locked into starcraft 24/7 to miss new info. Plus, Secure Sockets Layer is kind of a thing.
arty be like 'this guy used to be good so he should be good but he keep going out of the box. i have to find out the truth' but really i still can't grasp what forgg condition after all these casts, maybe we should have someone from asl match with him?
I really enjoy that you take one player and show him day by day in different match ups. It would be better, if two player were the same like in 14 times in a row ;p . Thank you for casting such games, I came back to StarCraft, I try to play, but I got older, don't play so much anymore because of life, and I'm stack at 50-100 apm :( Take care of yourself, and I hope you will find happiness as I do watching these casts! And cheer to everyone that red this!
I love these deep dives on the players who are legends like Flash or Nada, and/or doing really interesting things like ForGG, never apologise for doing them (or at least apologise as little as is possible for a naturalized Canadian)
Day9 used to call it "scouting through aggression",it seems to be Forgg's style. He knows he's going to see what they have and most likely slow it down when he pushes, so he cuts corners because there aren't as many "what if" things, like DT's he has to worry about.
I watched a video a few weeks ago where a guy stated that SCVs mine minerals slower than probes and drones. Apparently something to do with the SCV thruster animation. So over all the decades that SC was in development that never got corrected?
Protoss is teching and expanding w/ 8 dragoons. Terran is pressuring while cutting scv’s. No way can he hold especially after rebuilding the observatory. A Terran that understands math
I am enjoying this deep dive. This is giving me my fix while I await the return of Flash. You are single handedly bringing us the best content of the best game, many thanks Mr Artosis
Even without Toss killing their own goon it probably wouldn’t have been close, right? Cause ForGG’s vultures came in a little earlier from the right. Just thinking how well he got the goons cornered - was that also a little lucky?
Looks like Zelia lost track of the timings/game state after getting set back by the original push and only getting his observers out late... besides generally not being on point. But that's one of the nice things about more aggressive builds like ForGG is going with. Sometimes it just catches someone off guard and gets you a quick and easy win.
Agentic Artosis AI will allow us to deep dive on every player ALWAYS... for 50000/month subscription and the cost of a nuclear reactor, according to Devin and $am Altman. The only use case so far that makes sense to me.
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I’m loving this ForGG deep dive. Thanks Arty
I loved the NaDa stuff too
I absolutely love these types of deep dives. I look at ArtosisCasts as similar to the regular season of traditional sports, with SSL as the Playoffs. You definitely help to establish more robust narrative through lines.
After 4 months of watching artosis casts I went in to play brood war and for the first time in my life I finally beat the AI. Letsgoooooo
Protoss was banking enough minerals for retirement.
😂😂 oh man that made me laugh out loud
As a P player who did pretty much this exact P opener for years: you can't normally do it against a 3 fact. You cannot rely on observer scouting it as by that time you may have already committed the resources.
There are a few options such as relying on goon or random probe noticing the moveout, you can start and cancel(if there is no attack) your last 2 goons right before placing the nexus, etc. Alternative is to(slightly) cut probes for faster 3rd nexus with both tech and constant unit production, the eco can still be better than not cutting probes and staying 2base longer, but you're still going to be more vulnerable with more places to defend.
But if you don't do anything of the above, and try a 6-6:30-ish citadel + 2nd gas +immediate follow-up stargate and archives + 3rd nexus, and T either cut scvs for a 3fact or e.g. cut e-bay/acad/2nd gas/armory entirely, you're just done.
2 fact would crush this
I can go another week of just ForGG because this is just straight up shenanigans. Your commentary while taking it all in is just icing on the cake.
Of course i got chills, it's a forGGone conclusion.
When you talk about how ForGG should've let the tanks come up during the attack, there's also one thing I noticed with how ForGG conducted the attack. If you look at what he's doing with the vultures, he's herding Zelia's dragoons against the wall there by hooking some vultures against the wall Zelia made, then the mines come out. They got nowhere to go, so, kaboom, dead dragoons. It just really succeeded this time around.
It was an awesome maneuver
This type of maneuver makes me think of MOBA type maneuver.
ForGG took those tactics from another game & applied it to Broodwar.
I don't understand how those vults laid so many mines there. Was that some kind of micro trick? Or is that standard? He had them each lay 2 mines so fast.
Really sweet of you to assume i have friends
Short games but long term chills
So long we're in tears.
Short games are great because you can sneak them in between doing life stuff.
Forgg does just hate missile turrets... he hates comsats as well if you noticed
As a professional dominatrix, I feel scammed by that clickbait title
LOL
kinda gay
When he said "backing up into static D isn't any fun", didn't that get you back?
@7:05 I agreed with you at first, but after seeing the whole play go through, I believe the vultures engaging first was the correct move. The vultures laid mines near observatory, which prevented the dragoons from being able to retreat.
When you are the only one who watches sc and when a friend asks. You are basically an expert. Thanks artosis!
from chills, to tears and now speechless.
As a player who played pure Terran and nothing else back in the day, i am unashamedly biased and 100% welcome any terran vs z/p casts you have to offer, even if they are the same player.
On that note, i actually really love these “deep dives” as you call it because when you go 🤔🧐 you also make me go 🤔🧐 as well.
thanks for the explanation about boosting
ForGG always supply stuck at 60 :D. Great Cast, thanks!
Former champion doesn’t boost. Current champion doesn’t boost. Arty also doesn’t boost. I look forward to next SSL, Arty!!
This is how it looks when you manhandle someone in Starcraft.
I don't get chills when I see ForGG play. I see a person that watches everyone else play the same strategies because they 'work,' or, 'we've done it this way for X months/years,' and does his own thing. It's refreshing. I played Age of Empires 2 for years, and for the longest time many people were playing Mirrored Huns on Arabia. At some point when you play the same teams/map combination for so long and all the same strategies/tactics are used, the person that plays against the grain will win.
That's all that's happening here. It's refreshing.
The person who plays against the grain a thousand times will eventually figure out how to win*
ForGG is fun to watch, i hope he makes it into ASL.
i remember back when i was a wee lad and artosis was still in his 30s day 9 did a thing where he talked about how in pvz there's this big air war and both sides make air to air units and you'd think you could just make a bunch of ground units and just walk across the map but you CAN'T. now, in 2024, day 9 is a retired card game streamer, every pvz i see has a craploads of zealots and hydras running around, and forgg is just kinda making factory units and marching across the map and blowing up protosses that increase arty's blood pressure on the reg
also hello mr artosis i hope you have a nice poop
I haven't played StarCraft in many years , but I really enjoy watching these videos , I learned so much more about the game by watching your videos vs playing the game
Thanks for the ForGG games, Artosis. Really fun to watch!
ForGG is actually looking kinda scary. I'd love to see him pull up to SSL.
On that note, I really hate the tournament name change. I get that they're rebranding to SOOP, but it makes it easy for people who aren't locked into starcraft 24/7 to miss new info. Plus, Secure Sockets Layer is kind of a thing.
ASL was too strong of a tournsment, one could say it was _so OP_ that they had to change the name.
Off-meta guy playing in tournament would be godsent.
The SpoTV Starcraft 2 Starleague also went by SSL
ForGG showing some new sauce, secret techniques
I was laughing for a minute straight when I saw that ending.
If you're not goonin you ain't living brother
Zerg is so HYPE!
If rt played vs ForGG: HE JUST PLAYS HOW HE FUCKING WANTS
this channel needs more ForGG I would say
My tears turned to ice from all these chills.
7:10 Arty now you know how your wife feels 😂😂😂
THIS GUY 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Those mines were surgical
arty be like 'this guy used to be good so he should be good but he keep going out of the box. i have to find out the truth' but really i still can't grasp what forgg condition after all these casts, maybe we should have someone from asl match with him?
Is this not the most aggressive terran? He didn't even build 5 bunkers on the protoss' natural
I really enjoy that you take one player and show him day by day in different match ups.
It would be better, if two player were the same like in 14 times in a row ;p .
Thank you for casting such games, I came back to StarCraft, I try to play, but I got older, don't play so much anymore because of life, and I'm stack at 50-100 apm :(
Take care of yourself, and I hope you will find happiness as I do watching these casts!
And cheer to everyone that red this!
chills @ 7:38
More ForGG ME LIKEY!
Breaking a goon and a protoss dragoon can both be fun
Some places have icee's some, places have slurpees, Artosiscasts is the coldest chillzone.
What happens if you watch a game that gives you chills, on a chilly day, with some guy named chill playing?
Time for a pro to make that gamertag
You get tears. Tears are the next step in our Starcraft evolution. Now every cast will leave us in tears.
Speachless, dropped jaw and an occasional drooling.
While eating chili at a chili’s
Artosis really enjoying these 10 min work days
I love these deep dives on the players who are legends like Flash or Nada, and/or doing really interesting things like ForGG, never apologise for doing them (or at least apologise as little as is possible for a naturalized Canadian)
Wake up Arty. We need more ForGG games
MOAR FOUR GEE GEE!!
Day9 used to call it "scouting through aggression",it seems to be Forgg's style. He knows he's going to see what they have and most likely slow it down when he pushes, so he cuts corners because there aren't as many "what if" things, like DT's he has to worry about.
Chill level terran play.
Drunken Master Terran
Goattosis
Artosis is the reason I watch these more so than the gameplay. God tier game anyalysis
Long time fan here. You are a great human being Dan! Dont ever change
Thank you so much Arty! Honestly ForGG was my fav terran player of all time! Thanks very very much!
Great content, love the deep dives!
Great idea. Would love to see a deep dive on new Soulkey. Specifically his last two ASL runs (SSL..).
Yes RT, great addition to the channel.
Polypoid - the next best map in Brood war second only to Lost Temple.
I'm enjoying the deep dive, down for more.
I love deep dives Forgg has been my favorite Thanks!
I watched a video a few weeks ago where a guy stated that SCVs mine minerals slower than probes and drones. Apparently something to do with the SCV thruster animation. So over all the decades that SC was in development that never got corrected?
Loving these deep dives
ForGG's fraudulent mine hits
Protoss is teching and expanding w/ 8 dragoons. Terran is pressuring while cutting scv’s. No way can he hold especially after rebuilding the observatory. A Terran that understands math
I am enjoying this deep dive. This is giving me my fix while I await the return of Flash. You are single handedly bringing us the best content of the best game, many thanks Mr Artosis
Me, an amateur vigilante, seeing the title of this video:
ToiletTosis, give us God, give us Flash
Tears guys. I've got TEARS!
Hopefully the eyeball kind and not the rectum kind...
Now I'd like to see how forGG fare against someone like snow with this no turret thing
RT, we do like the deep dive. But honestly, most of us are here for the chills!
Even without Toss killing their own goon it probably wouldn’t have been close, right? Cause ForGG’s vultures came in a little earlier from the right.
Just thinking how well he got the goons cornered - was that also a little lucky?
Deep dives are fine.
Thanks Artosis
I love these deep dives
How to forget good old Wisco!
Yeah, the benefit of skipping turrets seems to be more early game pressure, and that's something Terran desperately needs.
The deep dives are very fun
ForGG the chosen one breaks nexus first
for some reason now i want to see a game between mini and best now but i cant find one :(
Love the deep dives
Not the ending I was expecting.
Artosis doing his best to combat global warming with chilllls
I might be mistaken, but doesn't SoulKey boost up to the overpool stage and fade off after that? My memory might be off
Looks like Zelia lost track of the timings/game state after getting set back by the original push and only getting his observers out late... besides generally not being on point.
But that's one of the nice things about more aggressive builds like ForGG is going with. Sometimes it just catches someone off guard and gets you a quick and easy win.
Is there a Sharp-ForGG match?
Hell yes more ForGG!!
ForGG is definitely a fun terran to watch
i like the deep dives
Great goon sesh!
Flash games?😊
I love FlaSh, but ForGG is more interresting atm lets focus abit more on that :D
@Robert-dv9jt i dont mean right now, but perhaps a flash game once a month or few weeks
I enjoy the deep dives
DEM CHILLS
Why did he build Stargate? Was it some sick Scout strat?
He does not have troops to recall. That could not have been an Arbiter.
we will see if there is something to it when he start playing actually good players
Thanks Artosis 💯
6:36 he drag selected the screaming bird
The idea that there are English speakers who watch ASL/SSL but not ArtosisCasts is a hilarious concept
I'm the opposite. I just watch this with my lunch or breakfast
Speaking of unorthodox TvP openers - could a quick double armory for a 2/2 (or 3/3) push work or does that make Terran too passive in the early game?
We need a zerg player series now!
3 fac beats 2 gate, shock horror.
Nice push.
Agentic Artosis AI will allow us to deep dive on every player ALWAYS... for 50000/month subscription and the cost of a nuclear reactor, according to Devin and $am Altman. The only use case so far that makes sense to me.