Melanie is gorgeous. Whoever mentioned about Ruth being more violent.. Tennant doctor with The Racnoss? 1913 with the family of blood. Peter Capaldi when Clara died. Matt dr, the planet that ate the timelords edge of the universe. Daleks. There is a precedent for violence already.
@@nightowl8477 The fundamental truth of The Doctor; every regeneration hence, remains though. Unless hes the Master in chameleon encryption disguise. Like Clara Santa epi, where they thought they'd woken up, but weren't. Might explain why the Doctor doesn't remember. The Master criminal hiding as the good guy. Genius.
I knew about microplastics, but one thing S11 and S12 have done surprisingly often is to pique my curiosity and make me look further into things. I haven't really had that urge since I was a kid, many decades ago, watching Classic Who.
Yeah, sci-fi without some sort of metanarrative is a waste of time. The whole point of the genre is to make a point. All the way back to "Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus" (which is often identified as the original science fiction story), that's essentially a story about the importance of taking responsibility for ones creations (children) and the fact that monsters are made by insufficient parenting and "but he's so ugly" is no excuse to toss that responsibility aside. The thing to try to avoid as a storyteller is writing past the point and talking down to the reader/audience. Orphan 55 is a clear example of stating the point when it's already been made. In contrast, this episode knew when the (basically same) point had been made and didn't assume the audience would need it further spelled out that the environment needs taking care of. Microplastics. Got it. Time to fly the thing.
I think people can confuse bad stories from bad story telling. The issue of a hamfisted approach coupled with unconsidered dialogue and underdeveloped characters seemed to have been shifted to fall into the all too popular phase "preachy." It's not a question of whether the issue is important enough to be a subject matter. But how entertaining it is? This of course is subjective. Do I pause at the end to have a think about what it all meant or listen to a speech that feels lifted from a documentary some where towards the end or as the credits roll. Which is more satisfying for the viewer to watch from a television drama. A smooth sauce slowly running of the tip of a spoon or the splodge of a dollop of mayo hitting your plate. Again you could say this analogy is subjective.
I thought this episode was equally as preachy as Orphan 55 and I loved both. I watch Doctor Who for science preaching. Our reality denies science so much that the fictional Doctor validating me feels good.
Twelfth Doctor: gender is a social construct and gender roles are barbaric Whovians: yes king Thirteenth Doctor: microplastics are bad Whovians: fuck fat chinballs fuck Jodie Yea it's a good episode lol
In the abandoned hospital, I kept expecting there to be a set of doors with "Don't Open, Dead Inside!" written on, like in the first episode of "The Walking Dead". You're also the only reactors to spot the slip-up with the birds suddenly disappearing during the scene between Graham and Jake on the beach.
A lot of People that don't care about how we are destroying our World didn't like this Episode. They have been able to produce a bio-degradable type of plastic for a long long time. But they haven't because they would need to spend extra money to produce it. I did enjoy this Episode.
Yaz has been teleported somewhere in every episode this season, or almost. As for the intro conversation about last weeks poll, I’ve always assumed Galifrey and the Time Lords exist as only one planet and people in all dimensions and time lines.
Microplastics are a huge problem and just one of the factors involved with humanity's impact on our planet. I studied the basics of it in college and the info given in this episode is spot on (if generalized for the sake of a tv audience). Do a quick Google Scholar search and you'll find dozens of pretty scary scientific articles about it. I also loved the whole "ethics of medical testing" theme in this episode. Humanity's early medical history is full of scientists who tested their cures/vaccines on "volunteers" with no real idea of what the effects would be. Thing is, most of those "volunteers" were just people who couldn't say no - prisoners, orphans, slaves, the very poor, and the very desperate (Example: Edward Jenner, the guy who discovered how to vaccinate against smallpox, tested the first vaccination on an 8-year old boy). That's part of why medical testing is so strictly regulated today. Between the Doctor initially not wanting to test the cure on Adam because it was dangerous and the aliens making the entirety of Earth an unwilling test case, I thought there was some really interesting subtext in this episode about what it means to give medical consent. As you can tell I'm a super-nerd and this episode touched on topics I'm super interested in, so I loved it!
I'm hoping it'll go the comics route and she's one of the Doctors that was a president, as in the comics, they wipe the memory of doctors that become the president of the time lords once they leave the office.
Every peripheral character they bring in is more likable than the regular cast ... except for Graham of course . Spin off? (with better writing.......)
Doctor is the name he/she chosed so maybe someone other timelord could have chosen it or maybe she's the teb doctor's daughter because she survived but their ways parted so maybe she started to herself doctor and ended up as Ruth
On "we don't use guns" and the Ruth Doctor, I suspect that after Gat got hit and Ruth picked up the gun, it was never reset like she implied. When she was threatening the Judoon, she was actually bluffing with a suicide device, so this Doctor still doesn't use guns.
i believe that gallifreyans dont regenerate, they are different from time lords, who have looked into the time vortex and are a kind of higher class group
It was a good episode! But I agree about Amaru; I felt bad for him as I don’t think he was in on his colleague’s plan, and nobody thought about him afterwards...that was my only gripe with this week, I think
What about David Tennent's Doctor in the other dimension with Rose; he is as smart as the real Doctor. Rose was able to come back and maybe he was able to then get some lives like Doctor with Gallifrey. And that's how she didn't know about her and the job she couldn't get out without it being the real doctor but also being the real doctor.
So lets list a few things; - Doctor asks Ryan to disect the crow saying he "must have done that in school", yet back in 2006 Rose tells Sarah-Jane, with the Doctor there (in School Reunion) "They don't do that anymore, ...". Oops. - At the end the three people in Madagascar are illegally there so should be picked-up by immigration. - Jake's super fast trip to Hong Kong. - The sun setting when Jake & Graham were talking on the beach (crows on a break?) but a moment later, full daylight. - Antidote released far too high in the atmosphere to be active anytime soon. Probably would take weeks to get to the surface and be of some use. - Why migrating crows, not local seagulls? - Why did the crows get angry and attack en-mass rather than just die like humans do? - Why did Suki say "What's happening to me?" when the disease started spreading, since she is from the planet where it came from and is supposedly a scientist expert in Praxeus? - How did they travel across 3 galaxies while surveying for suitable planets in the time it took for them to develop symptoms and die? Don't the writers know how millions of light years that would be? - How come they have the advanced technology to travel across 3 galxies and the space between them but not have equal advanced understanding of Biology & medicine? - Why did Adam stay in that space suit for so long? - Did they just want to re-use "space suit on a frame" imagery from "Impossible Astronaut"? - Why hasn't Doctor Whow got a decent script editor who is familiar with Doctor Who?
I like a lot about this episode, but I feel like it’s focus is in the wrong place. The twist with Suki should’ve happened way earlier, and the story should’ve been primarily about the moral implications of her character and the deal with Praxeus.
Sigh ..I didn’t care much for this one , it wasn’t as bad as “Orphan 55” but it was close imo. It was eerily timely though with the whole Coronavirus outbreak right now. The subplot with the gay couple was fine but all the other characters just gave it more of a crammed and crowded feeling then it already had imo. Yaz taking initiative and being more Doctor-ish was interesting ..hopefully that actually leads somewhere instead of being a one-off because Yaz still feels just there imo .
@@glman99 It's like there are our beating overhead and they're saying how dare you This is not a doctor who episode It feels like another episode of captain planet And have you notice we never left a planet like every episode is on earth
@@Jason-kg8fx what are talking about. Beating over the head with what? It an episode taking place on our planet. So of course everything happens, unlike an alien planet with tech and culture we don't have.
@@Jason-kg8fx Doctor Who has always primarily taken place on earth. For example: episodes per season that take place on the earth/moon. Series 1 - 13/13 episodes Series 2 - 11/13 Series 3 - 12/14 Series 4 - 9/14 Specials - 3/5 Series 5 - 9/13 Series 6 - 7/14 Series 7 - 11/14 Series 8 - 10/12 Series 9 - 7/14 Series 10 - 9/14 Series 11 - 7/11
@@Jason-kg8fx and if you feel beaten over the head, you're reading into it. DW is no more preachy than it ever has been. 12 gave speeches about how capitalism and war are bad for God's sake.
Melanie is gorgeous. Whoever mentioned about Ruth being more violent.. Tennant doctor with The Racnoss? 1913 with the family of blood. Peter Capaldi when Clara died. Matt dr, the planet that ate the timelords edge of the universe. Daleks. There is a precedent for violence already.
@@nightowl8477 The fundamental truth of The Doctor; every regeneration hence, remains though. Unless hes the Master in chameleon encryption disguise. Like Clara Santa epi, where they thought they'd woken up, but weren't. Might explain why the Doctor doesn't remember. The Master criminal hiding as the good guy. Genius.
A very nice episode. Educational with lots of action. Really nice! And good reaction and review!
Another good episode. And I didn't know microplastics was even a thing until I watched it so yay I was entertained and educated. :D
I knew about microplastics, but one thing S11 and S12 have done surprisingly often is to pique my curiosity and make me look further into things. I haven't really had that urge since I was a kid, many decades ago, watching Classic Who.
@@ftumschk You guys don't know about microplastics? What
@@addexio321 Read what I said again :)
I didn't either.
@@ftumschk ah lol, my bad.
Man people act like talking anything from real life is bad, Even if all shows do it, all the time. Not sure I'll ever understand that issue, lol
Yeah, sci-fi without some sort of metanarrative is a waste of time. The whole point of the genre is to make a point. All the way back to "Frankenstein, or The Modern Prometheus" (which is often identified as the original science fiction story), that's essentially a story about the importance of taking responsibility for ones creations (children) and the fact that monsters are made by insufficient parenting and "but he's so ugly" is no excuse to toss that responsibility aside.
The thing to try to avoid as a storyteller is writing past the point and talking down to the reader/audience. Orphan 55 is a clear example of stating the point when it's already been made. In contrast, this episode knew when the (basically same) point had been made and didn't assume the audience would need it further spelled out that the environment needs taking care of. Microplastics. Got it. Time to fly the thing.
I think people can confuse bad stories from bad story telling. The issue of a hamfisted approach coupled with unconsidered dialogue and underdeveloped characters seemed to have been shifted to fall into the all too popular phase "preachy." It's not a question of whether the issue is important enough to be a subject matter. But how entertaining it is? This of course is subjective. Do I pause at the end to have a think about what it all meant or listen to a speech that feels lifted from a documentary some where towards the end or as the credits roll. Which is more satisfying for the viewer to watch from a television drama. A smooth sauce slowly running of the tip of a spoon or the splodge of a dollop of mayo hitting your plate. Again you could say this analogy is subjective.
I thought this episode was equally as preachy as Orphan 55 and I loved both. I watch Doctor Who for science preaching. Our reality denies science so much that the fictional Doctor validating me feels good.
Twelfth Doctor: gender is a social construct and gender roles are barbaric
Whovians: yes king
Thirteenth Doctor: microplastics are bad
Whovians: fuck fat chinballs fuck Jodie
Yea it's a good episode lol
15:28 "here come the drums, here come the drums"
In the abandoned hospital, I kept expecting there to be a set of doors with "Don't Open, Dead Inside!" written on, like in the first episode of "The Walking Dead". You're also the only reactors to spot the slip-up with the birds suddenly disappearing during the scene between Graham and Jake on the beach.
Capaldi's Doctor materialized around pilot Journey Blue in the episode Into the Dalek.
A lot of People that don't care about how we are destroying our World didn't like this Episode. They have been able to produce a bio-degradable type of plastic for a long long time. But they haven't because they would need to spend extra money to produce it. I did enjoy this Episode.
Yaz has been teleported somewhere in every episode this season, or almost.
As for the intro conversation about last weeks poll, I’ve always assumed Galifrey and the Time Lords exist as only one planet and people in all dimensions and time lines.
Just love the wonderfully understated moment at _12:00__!₁_ 🤣
*_₁_* (great edit!)
Microplastics are a huge problem and just one of the factors involved with humanity's impact on our planet. I studied the basics of it in college and the info given in this episode is spot on (if generalized for the sake of a tv audience). Do a quick Google Scholar search and you'll find dozens of pretty scary scientific articles about it.
I also loved the whole "ethics of medical testing" theme in this episode. Humanity's early medical history is full of scientists who tested their cures/vaccines on "volunteers" with no real idea of what the effects would be. Thing is, most of those "volunteers" were just people who couldn't say no - prisoners, orphans, slaves, the very poor, and the very desperate (Example: Edward Jenner, the guy who discovered how to vaccinate against smallpox, tested the first vaccination on an 8-year old boy). That's part of why medical testing is so strictly regulated today. Between the Doctor initially not wanting to test the cure on Adam because it was dangerous and the aliens making the entirety of Earth an unwilling test case, I thought there was some really interesting subtext in this episode about what it means to give medical consent.
As you can tell I'm a super-nerd and this episode touched on topics I'm super interested in, so I loved it!
I'm loving how quickly the blogger just forgot her friend and joined someone else lol!
I'm hoping it'll go the comics route and she's one of the Doctors that was a president, as in the comics, they wipe the memory of doctors that become the president of the time lords once they leave the office.
Also, the timeless child was mentioned in some of the comics if I recall correctly, so could be cool.
Every peripheral character they bring in is more likable than the regular cast ... except for Graham of course .
Spin off? (with better writing.......)
"And then they're going to eat me!" - That gave me a laugh.
Doctor is the name he/she chosed so maybe someone other timelord could have chosen it or maybe she's the teb doctor's daughter because she survived but their ways parted so maybe she started to herself doctor and ended up as Ruth
On "we don't use guns" and the Ruth Doctor, I suspect that after Gat got hit and Ruth picked up the gun, it was never reset like she implied. When she was threatening the Judoon, she was actually bluffing with a suicide device, so this Doctor still doesn't use guns.
i believe that gallifreyans dont regenerate, they are different from time lords, who have looked into the time vortex and are a kind of higher class group
It was a good episode! But I agree about Amaru; I felt bad for him as I don’t think he was in on his colleague’s plan, and nobody thought about him afterwards...that was my only gripe with this week, I think
Thanks, Melanie! Thanks, Aaron! ⏳
What if she is a secret doctor between 2 & 3... since we didn't see the regeneration there.
What about David Tennent's Doctor in the other dimension with Rose; he is as smart as the real Doctor. Rose was able to come back and maybe he was able to then get some lives like Doctor with Gallifrey. And that's how she didn't know about her and the job she couldn't get out without it being the real doctor but also being the real doctor.
'11% say other' is that with a capital O? 👀👀 😂
So lets list a few things;
- Doctor asks Ryan to disect the crow saying he "must have done that in school", yet back in 2006 Rose tells Sarah-Jane, with the Doctor there (in School Reunion) "They don't do that anymore, ...". Oops.
- At the end the three people in Madagascar are illegally there so should be picked-up by immigration.
- Jake's super fast trip to Hong Kong.
- The sun setting when Jake & Graham were talking on the beach (crows on a break?) but a moment later, full daylight.
- Antidote released far too high in the atmosphere to be active anytime soon. Probably would take weeks to get to the surface and be of some use.
- Why migrating crows, not local seagulls?
- Why did the crows get angry and attack en-mass rather than just die like humans do?
- Why did Suki say "What's happening to me?" when the disease started spreading, since she is from the planet where it came from and is supposedly a scientist expert in Praxeus?
- How did they travel across 3 galaxies while surveying for suitable planets in the time it took for them to develop symptoms and die? Don't the writers know how millions of light years that would be?
- How come they have the advanced technology to travel across 3 galxies and the space between them but not have equal advanced understanding of Biology & medicine?
- Why did Adam stay in that space suit for so long?
- Did they just want to re-use "space suit on a frame" imagery from "Impossible Astronaut"?
- Why hasn't Doctor Whow got a decent script editor who is familiar with Doctor Who?
Feel like orphan 55 was a one off more and more as the season progress
I like a lot about this episode, but I feel like it’s focus is in the wrong place. The twist with Suki should’ve happened way earlier, and the story should’ve been primarily about the moral implications of her character and the deal with Praxeus.
agreed, like mosr of jodies doctor, the message was too 'in your face' and distracted from entertainment.
Imagine if the other doctor is actually the doctors daughter
Or Susan's Mum? Sorry, just a wild thought. Lol.
This one goes on the skippable upon rewatch list. There's been far too many of those of late for me.
Ryan's hot.
PLEASE REACT TO THE HARLEY QUINN SERIES (Day 87)
Idk why but the fact that they are not in the centre of the shot feels wrong.
Sigh ..I didn’t care much for this one , it wasn’t as bad as “Orphan 55” but it was close imo. It was eerily timely though with the whole Coronavirus outbreak right now.
The subplot with the gay couple was fine but all the other characters just gave it more of a crammed and crowded feeling then it already had imo.
Yaz taking initiative and being more Doctor-ish was interesting ..hopefully that actually leads somewhere instead of being a one-off because Yaz still feels just there imo .
Good episode imo but last week was better.
Where the tardis surprise no ones seemed phased or fascinated by it , turned into a uber what a let down
First
Second
the writing for the one was just lazy
Nah
You're right it was lazy
It's episode 3 all over again Come on This sucks
how is this at all the same as episode 3?
@@glman99 It's like there are our beating overhead and they're saying how dare you This is not a doctor who episode It feels like another episode of captain planet And have you notice we never left a planet like every episode is on earth
@@Jason-kg8fx what are talking about. Beating over the head with what? It an episode taking place on our planet. So of course everything happens, unlike an alien planet with tech and culture we don't have.
@@Jason-kg8fx
Doctor Who has always primarily taken place on earth. For example: episodes per season that take place on the earth/moon.
Series 1 - 13/13 episodes
Series 2 - 11/13
Series 3 - 12/14
Series 4 - 9/14
Specials - 3/5
Series 5 - 9/13
Series 6 - 7/14
Series 7 - 11/14
Series 8 - 10/12
Series 9 - 7/14
Series 10 - 9/14
Series 11 - 7/11
@@Jason-kg8fx and if you feel beaten over the head, you're reading into it. DW is no more preachy than it ever has been. 12 gave speeches about how capitalism and war are bad for God's sake.