It's not in the youtube edit, but the daughter of Lord Byron that the Doctor refers to is Ada Lovelace (from S12 E2). She was his only legitimate child. The Doctor mentioned it when she and Ada met earlier this season.
Fletcher the Valet was the unsung hero of this episode lol. Putting up with a bunch of drunk, aristocratic idiots, not to mention fucking SLAMMING that skeletal hand into the shadow realm with his tray lmao. Although I also gotta give a shoutout to the French maid who was looking after the baby, she went above and beyond to protect the little guy.
The poem at the end is Darkness, written by Lord Byron in 1816 - so it totally fits in. I loved that detail. She’s not belittling the companions. She snaps at them, sure, but she’s under a whole lot of stress and pressure. You can’t always be cool and educational. It’s also not out of character for the Doctor as a whole, even though it’s not a characteristic we’ve seen with Thirteen before now.
It also makes sense because, yeah she hasn't told them very much about her past, but at the same time it feels like the companions forget that she has been around for a long time, and seen and done so much.
This season already gave us a tease of a sadder, somewhat depressed Thirteenth Doctor. Now we FINALLY got a tease of her Doctor with a bite. I've enjoyed her character so far, but I think we really need a little more of this edge to balance out her super extreme cheerfulness.
I loved this episode, best so far. The Doc showed Percy Shelley his death to trick the Sibirium out of him, in real life He capsized his yacht and drowned.
@@bustedsim well, some people believe he'd intended to die. Maybe in the world of doctor who he gets on the boat that day knowing full well that it's going to kill him
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Good episode ..my favorite of the season!!.. The atmosphere was creepy and well done but it definitely was a prologue to the 2 part finale akin to Utopia or Face The Raven. Jodie’s performances especially was great .. this season has given her the edge that we have been missing from her Doctor due to the destruction of Gallifrey and her life not being what she thought it was ..her two speeches were great in this episode!!.
Did anyone else notice that Dr Polodori shielded his eyes like a Vampire when the sunlight came into the room? Dr Polidori IRL wrote The Vampyre one of the first Vampire stories.
The cyberium was sent back by the Resistance. In Fugitive Jack mentioned the Resistance sent 'something' back in time and the Cyberman should not get it. During the cyber wars the Resistance got a hold of the cyberium then sent it back
and as far as the question of the Doctor belittling the companions, that is nonsense, she was going to drop them off the keep them safe OBVIOUSLY, & he snapping at them when Ryan said let him die was perfect because there was no winning so She couldn't let an innocent person die and change the future immensely and cause chaos to stop chaos in the very distant future
It also felt like the companions for a moment forgot who she was. She is the doctor she has lived thousands of years and seen thing they couldn't imagine. even if she did belittle them, it is understandable.
My theory - Ashad upgraded himself using broken cyber parts. Note his left arm, which is from a Mondasian Cyberman. But he can't fully connect to the Cyberiad, as his upgrades aren't complete. Hence, he wants the Cyberium so he can interface with the rest of the Cybermen in order to dominate them. Result - the Cyber wars.
It seems as though this particular Cyberman displays an intense hatred of humanity, Dalek style. I got chills when it spoke of slashing his children's throats.
I don't see this as some sort of turn around regarding the Doctor's view of individuals. Many times throughout the decades we've seen _both_ arguments made from the Doctor. I can think of a number of times *10* said, rather pointedly, how important individuals were. That _there are no insignificant people._ Ultimately, I do not see it as a strange argument for the Doctor to make. It has been both ways, depending on what the current writer wanted. So, I don't see it as some measured or planned out theme that we are now getting a new perspective on. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I also loved this episode! Gave me goosebumps, the lone cyber man first appearance was amazing, and Jodie went dark as the lonely god was breath taking 🥰👍🥰👍
Five year plan. The Cybermen are a distraction in this finale. Chibnall knows this. That is the trick of a writer. Bet I'm not wrong---but we'll see. xx
Well, Jack mentioned "the Alliance" sent the cyberium back, so I imagine it's some kind of multi-planet, well, alliance fighting against the Cybermen. Also, quick sidenote: I think you ment "psychopatic" instead of "psychotic". They sound similar, but mean very different things, and many people seem to get them mixed up.
I think it would be quite brave of the show for the companions (all or some) to leave the Doctor simply because of bad blood. Not a death, not leaving to look after someone but just because they are no longer friends. I feel like Ryan and Graham have been held a little more at arms length. Ryan seems to be getting disillusioned. Yaz hero worships the Doc a bit more. I think it would make for an interesting next series, the doc figuring out what she had wanted from those relationships (to be admired, to be distracted?) and what she wants (to give and receive) from future companions.
@@paulwagner688 I'm pretty sure the Canon scrapped that. I'm just basing this off of the the Dark Universe big finish story and the book Ace's actress wrote. Both came out this year
@@Geznoo No. Sarah Jane mentioned in the episode she met 11 that Ace was running a company that specializes in Environment Protection, and Big Finish is about to do stories about Ace running that company after getting her mind wiped about being a Time Lady. She gets sent home in that condition, on President Romana's orders, because war with the Daleks breaks out, and Romana does not want very worst of the war to devastate Earth.
I do miss the theme of the Doctor 'serving at the pleasure of the human race' however I always thought that was a selfish concept to avoid responsibility in a way. I do like that 13 is here taking responsibility and making choices on behalf of humanity and I think the fact that she's making the more human decision to save one person shows that she did learn from all her past companions and still does carry them with her. Kinda feel like I'm reaching but if that's the case I like it a lot more
I may be overthinking this but personally, I think the "ghosts" Graham saw may be time remnants of a timeline in the process of getting deleted during this episode. As in, this wasn't the first time the Doctor visited Mary Shelley that same day. She first met her during his 8th Doctor days in the Big Finish audio dramas. She even became his companion for a while after that. But now it seems an event before this episode ended up rewriting that original past between the Doctor and Mary and that previous meeting on the same day. Whether it was a consequence of the Time War, Eleventh rebooting the universe or something else I still don't know but it may have something to do with the reason behind why the Doctor felt in 12x05 that time was swirling around her. Intrigued to learn more.
One thing I noticed - the Cyberman says his ship will “rip this REALITY apart”, not “this planet.” It might just be a euphemism, but it could be one more reference to a potential alternate reality.
Even though I’m an avid fan of this era, this is by far the best episode of them. The writing, directing and the characters (main and side) are great. I love for the Doctor, it’s a lose-lose situation at the end. Ashad is a great villain and the balance of the sci-fi and the historical parts of the episode is bang on.
I really enjoyed this episode! I thought it was really well paced and although I have enjoyed this series I have found that things get resolved too quickly - they take care to really build up the drama and action but it is resolved in 5 minutes so I was super happy with this episode. Excited to see what happens in these last two episodes!
I keep having dumb thoughts and I keep writing them. I'm sick, so forgive the ones I stumble around on. Maybe this one is one, too. Bringing Captain Jack back, and his sacrifice of one person to save billions seems flipped on its head, and it's very interesting that it's him telling the Doctor to do whatever needed to not let the cyberman have the cyberium, which means letting a person die to save others. We'll see how they deal with the fallout from not doing that here. Meanwhile, the Doctor's role is to preserve history in these two series, or that she knows that it's inevitable. (Might start calling her Eloise Doctor, since there have been a lot of Lost references lately.) I like this series, a lot, either way.
9:40 "Oh, it makes me think of the chicken story." That's exactly what I thought, too! (I don't know if they mention this in the discussion, but for anyone wondering, they're referring to the show MASH)
I loved this episode. There wasn't any little plot things that bugged me or things I thought didn't make sense. Most well written episode in my opinion.
It's been teased long enough for it to be the story for this entire regeneration rather than one series. It's been something mentioned by the cloth spirit things in Ghost monument.
Maybe but personally, I think they may be time remnants. As in, this wasn't the first time the Doctor visited Mary Shelley that same day. She first met her during his 8th Doctor days in the Big Finish audio dramas. She even became his companion for a while after that. But now it seems an event before this episode ended up rewriting that original past between the Doctor and Mary and that previous meeting on the same day. Whether it was a consequence of the Time War, Eleventh rebooting the universe or something else I still don't know but it may have something to do with the reason behind why the Doctor felt in 12x05 that time was swirling around her. Intrigued to learn more.
last episode me: IS THAT THE BLACK GUADIAN?! show: nope me: DAM IT this episode: Cyberman: are you the guardian? me: shut the fuck up, not doing this twice in a row!
I said Jack in the poll because he DID tell Yaz, Graham, and Ryan to tell the Doctor to not give The Lone Cyberman what it wants. Why would he say that or bring it up if he didn't know what it was? Or that it existed in the first place?
Someone in this Resistance that was mentioned sent it back, it wasn't a Cyberman who sent it back. Also Jodie literally says, "Time Lord Magnetism" as to why it went to her instead of the Cyberman. Whoever sent it back was trying to avoid the Cyberman getting it.
on the companion thing: honestly if it was always the companions pulling the doctors from ignoring those miniscule lives then that means that non of the companions have mattered at all. I rather like the idea instead of the doctor learning from all those previous companions, from Rose to Billy, and for themselves deciding to care about those singular unimportant people vs the greater good. From the detached doctor right after war learning to care at least somewhat from Rose. Then gaining back his sense humour from Jack. Those 2 and MIckey kind of pushed him out of his war veteran mindset and back into adventurer mindset. Donna kind of pushing him to try anyway even if he knows he can't win completely (do something, save at least someone). This made the doctor more brave with messing with timelines even though the shadows of war left him somewhat scared to do so. To Martha who is a doctor showing him in some ways the difference between a good doctor and a good soldier, where for him and the rest of the universe in some ways those became synonymous. And him first realizing that it wasn't a great thing, and beginning to see the same scars that Martha gained going from a doctor to a soldier in some ways in himself. Then Amy and Rory showing him importance of not forgetting and/or fighting for love. And with that and River him sort of finally accepting that in some ways he is a soldiers still, which in turn led him to embracing the kind of retired war veteran status for himself with Clara and also accepting the importance of the small (in the scheme of the universe) people. Even becoming a grumpy old man for a while. And then getting his second midlife crisis and the stuff he got up to with Missy and Billy and gaining hope again. The doctor we see now is the hopeful doctor who gained the passion for adventures again, and the bravery to interfere, and the wish to get to know and interact with the world and have healed from most of the ptsd. A more calm and compassionate doctor who no longer lives in their head, trapped in tragedies. And this doctor actually lets her companions figure things out for themselves from time to time but also sometimes takes time to explain things and teach them.
The only reason I give this 9/10 & not higher. Would have loved a mention of recursion/Castrovalva & to mention Bill (maybe even Danny & Cyber Brig & Adric) as the cybermen casualties.
Personally, the only reason I give this episode 9/10 & not higher is that I would have adored a reference to the 8th Doctor traveling with Mary Shelley as a companion in her pre-publication of Frankenstein days during the Big Finish audio dramas. However, there is still time in this season to give an explanation to the influence behind "time swirling" around the Doctor that could retroactively explain why her past with Mary got rewritten (which is what would have had to happen, as 8th first meet her that same night of June in 1816). So, assuming the answers they will end up giving don't ignore this major factor ala continuity error, I will gladly revise my rating and give it a solid 10.
She implied that & we are inferring from her implication. But I wanted her to name Bill. We all knew who she was talking about. I wanted that direct personal touch.
I speak French as a second language (Canada) but had a really hard time making out what this maid was saying on first viewing. I don't know if it's the Parisian or a regional accent, period speech, or maybe it's just not the actress's language, but anyway, she said "C'est diabolique, monsieur. C'est terrible." (It's demonic/devilish/diabolical, sir. it's terrible.)
What I really want to know is why he heard it as French. He has been exposed more than enough to the TARDIS translation field to be able to understand such a well-known language...unless something was wrong with his brain. Maybe that scene and the one in the previous episode about his fears of cancer returning were more imminent foreshadowing than we thought.
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In the credits, the name of the actress who speaks French is Sarah Perles. She is of Moroccan and Portuguese origin, and lived in France.
@@lichcoin6144 Yeah, that bugged me too. My best guess is something about the house folding on itself and locking them in is screwing with the Tardis' translation field, but Graham should still have that translator implant from the Ghost Monument, too, so it has to be something going on with him. Maybe he was getting haunted in more ways than one.
@@hiccuphufflepuff176 Could be. Regarding the haunting though, I may be overthinking this but personally, I think the "ghosts" Graham saw may be time remnants of a timeline in the process of getting deleted during this episode. As in, this wasn't the first time the Doctor visited Mary Shelley that same day. She first met her during his 8th Doctor days in the Big Finish audio dramas. She even became his companion for a while after that. But now it seems an event before this episode ended up rewriting that original past between the Doctor and Mary and that previous meeting on the same day. Whether it was a consequence of the Time War, Eleventh rebooting the universe or something else I still don't know but it may have something to do with the reason behind why the Doctor felt in 12x05 that time was swirling around her. Intrigued to learn more.
29:51 Apart from the first cyber-story (The Tenth Planet), the Classic Doctors never met the Mondasian Cybermen. From the next cyber-story (The Moonbase) onwards, all the Classic Cybermen were from the planet Telos.
Well one or more is/are going to leave at the end of this season. My bet is on Ryan, he's either going to leave of his own accord or get killed in the two part finale
This episode seemed alright. We finally seem to be getting back on track with the story-arc that's been set-up forever. Stubagful may a good video, detailing why setting up the season like this, was pretty stupid. I do some of that hope, not necessarily because I hate the characters so much, but merely because I think it would make a good story, that all three of The Doctor's companions will die in the finale, and we have to see The Doctor deal with the loss of her only friends. We've seen The Doctor deal with the loss of many companions before, but I don't believe we've seen him lose so many at once. Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having uploaded my review of: 'The Monster Of Peledon (1974)!' No pressure, of-course; It just might be worth checking out! :)
I honestly think this series did the story arc better than most. 9 and 10's story arcs were pretty much just/ mention one word or sentence over and over and then make sense of it the episode before the finale. 11 and 12 are pretty much the same
@@Geznoo Oh, Yeah; At least they're Definitely being done better than Series 9 & 10. The only issue is that they keep bringing it up, and then leaving it for another month before bringing it up again. I don't think Series 11 even Had a story-arc. But, Yeah. Series 12 is getting better; Still plenty of room for improvement though. :)
@@UomodAltriTempi Yeah, but after 10 Seasons of attempted story-arcs especially, you need to make sure you have some hit stories in the season. We don't talk about Season 24. ;)
I really wasn't a fan of this one. They had some super important and influential writers, Polidori, Byron, Shelley, and... they didn't DO anything with them. They kinda just mugged and hung around in the background. You could've replaced them with literally anyone else, just some random old timey folks, and it'd have been the same. Not to mention all the "horror" stuff just came off as kind of... goofy. Doctor Who has done much better horror episodes, Blink of course, and the Byzantium, the wood lady house, The Empty Child, The Impossible Planet, even Midnight. They didn't handle it well here, it just felt crass. And of course they had to shove in the whole "oooh maybe there really waaas a ghoooost" *jazzhands* shit that served no purpose to the actual plot. THAT would've been interesting. If the house really was haunted and the GHOSTS saved everyone from the cyberman. And let's talk about that cyberman, eh? It was... Disappointing. They really blew their load with the whole "lone cyberman idea" simply by establishing so late in the game, and now they've already spent the payoff here. I was hoping that it would be more of an overarching plotline, that the lone cyberman would essentially be pursuing the Doctor, that she already had the thing it wants, and it's perhaps always a step or two behind her, perhaps at the end of each episode we'd see a brief glimpse of him showing up as they leave the time period or something, until finally he catches up with them at the end of the season for the big finale. Unfortunately, they didn't even announce the plotline until what, episode 5? So that's great, introduce your main driving plot arc halfway through a season. And then it's completely forgotten until now, and immediately brought to fruition. On top of that, the lone cyberman's design itself is underwhelming. The fact that they let him have a human face really brings the look down for me. I think the implacable face of the cyberman helmet is far more chilling, especially if that is the thing pursuing you. In fact, constrasting the emotionless face of a cyberman with the rage and violence the lone cyberman had would've actually made him far more intimidating, I think, unable to truly express his hatred or anger behind the emotionless mask. I wouldn't mind having human parts still showing, but not the face. Perhaps make him more gross and gory, having one arm shown was a good start, but maybe have the armour fused to his skin and a hole gouged out of his chest, and show his skin being all burned and scarred. I don't really see why everyone seems to like this one in the comments, it was actually pretty boring and boilerplate. Cardboard cutout characters, goofy horror elements, overacting, unfunny jokes, nonsensical plot, poor conveyance of stakes... I guess it was better than last week's though?
I honestly didn't like the Doctor (the character not the acting). The "mountainous" team structure is there because she can go back in time and change things, 99% of the universe do not have that privilege. She belittle her companions because they want to sacrifice one man to save billions. The Doctor found himself having to make that choise before and he choose for... "burn them all, time lords and daleks alike". It took him more than 400 years to come up with a different plan and so he changed the past (how many people can do that?!). And what happened because of his choise? The war of Trenzalore; how many died because he wanted to change the past and have all the people he MURDERED, back? She received a message, not from random individuals, not from the timelords nor from her enemies, she recieved a message from an immortal FRIEND and yet she completely ignored it. She even admits that she made a mess of things "Step 2: fix the mess I created in step 1". How many in the universe have the capabilities of fixing a mess that big?. As someone very clever said: "Your version of good is not absolute. It's vain, arrongant and sentimental".
Really liked the use of sleepwalking as a key to dispelling the perception filter - so clever!
no thanks yeah. A smart script.
It's not in the youtube edit, but the daughter of Lord Byron that the Doctor refers to is Ada Lovelace (from S12 E2). She was his only legitimate child. The Doctor mentioned it when she and Ada met earlier this season.
Rip the butler, he deserved better 😢
Fletcher the Valet was the unsung hero of this episode lol. Putting up with a bunch of drunk, aristocratic idiots, not to mention fucking SLAMMING that skeletal hand into the shadow realm with his tray lmao.
Although I also gotta give a shoutout to the French maid who was looking after the baby, she went above and beyond to protect the little guy.
@@Wolf6119 Fletcher's facial expressions were priceless. Props to the actor.
The poem at the end is Darkness, written by Lord Byron in 1816 - so it totally fits in. I loved that detail.
She’s not belittling the companions. She snaps at them, sure, but she’s under a whole lot of stress and pressure. You can’t always be cool and educational. It’s also not out of character for the Doctor as a whole, even though it’s not a characteristic we’ve seen with Thirteen before now.
It also makes sense because, yeah she hasn't told them very much about her past, but at the same time it feels like the companions forget that she has been around for a long time, and seen and done so much.
"How do you not play Chopsticks right?" I don't know Melanie, maybe someone with DYSPRAXIA.
Or a character that apparantly has dyspraxia but only when the plot requires it.
In my opinion this is Jodies best performance, her two speeches were written and delivered perfectly
This season already gave us a tease of a sadder, somewhat depressed Thirteenth Doctor. Now we FINALLY got a tease of her Doctor with a bite. I've enjoyed her character so far, but I think we really need a little more of this edge to balance out her super extreme cheerfulness.
@@ElectroTherapyFTSouldefinitely see what your saying
I loved this episode, best so far. The Doc showed Percy Shelley his death to trick the Sibirium out of him, in real life He capsized his yacht and drowned.
I mean, if you knew you'd die by drowning, surely you'd develop an aversion to water and all water related activities...
@@bustedsim well, some people believe he'd intended to die. Maybe in the world of doctor who he gets on the boat that day knowing full well that it's going to kill him
@@jongill6491 That is it. He goes to his death knowing it will happen.
Robert's Video Madness I swear it’s spelt cyberium
Endrit Haziri that would make more sense, I didn’t even think Cyber.
I'm not the one who caught this, but Bill's theme was playing when the Doctor said she couldn't lose anyone else that way.
I did not know that's pretty cool
It did make me realize that the Doctor didn't know Bill had been saved from that fate by _Water Woman._
.. no it wasnt
@@Will-nn6ux no because there was no reason for her to die. She was still a cyberman, until she got saved by Heather and went on a journey of her own
That's... not true. The music playing was Thirteen's theme.
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Children of Earth (TW): Prime Minster’s Office
The Empty Planet (SJA): Ealing Circle Nature Reserve
The Power of Three: Brian’s office
The Angels Take Manhattan: Grayle’s Mansion (interior)
Good episode ..my favorite of the season!!..
The atmosphere was creepy and well done but it definitely was a prologue to the 2 part finale akin to Utopia or Face The Raven.
Jodie’s performances especially was great .. this season has given her the edge that we have been missing from her Doctor due to the destruction of Gallifrey and her life not being what she thought it was ..her two speeches were great in this episode!!.
I can't be the only one that was shocked when they did the neck break, right?
I was even more shocked when the Cyberman mentioned slitting his children's throats
Did anyone else notice that Dr Polodori shielded his eyes like a Vampire when the sunlight came into the room? Dr Polidori IRL wrote The Vampyre one of the first Vampire stories.
“We are inevitable.”
Aaron: “I am the Doctor” *snap*
Me: I understood that reference!
The cyberium was sent back by the Resistance. In Fugitive Jack mentioned the Resistance sent 'something' back in time and the Cyberman should not get it. During the cyber wars the Resistance got a hold of the cyberium then sent it back
I believe he said 'The Alliance', not resistance, but idk iirc
and as far as the question of the Doctor belittling the companions, that is nonsense, she was going to drop them off the keep them safe OBVIOUSLY, & he snapping at them when Ryan said let him die was perfect because there was no winning so She couldn't let an innocent person die and change the future immensely and cause chaos to stop chaos in the very distant future
It also felt like the companions for a moment forgot who she was. She is the doctor she has lived thousands of years and seen thing they couldn't imagine. even if she did belittle them, it is understandable.
My theory - Ashad upgraded himself using broken cyber parts. Note his left arm, which is from a Mondasian Cyberman. But he can't fully connect to the Cyberiad, as his upgrades aren't complete. Hence, he wants the Cyberium so he can interface with the rest of the Cybermen in order to dominate them. Result - the Cyber wars.
Loving this season as much as last season. Man doctor who continues to be one of my fav shows, even after all these years
I know what the skeleton-hand reminded me! When I watched it I was like I saw that already somewhere, it was like the auton-hand with Rose and nine
It seems as though this particular Cyberman displays an intense hatred of humanity, Dalek style. I got chills when it spoke of slashing his children's throats.
I don't see this as some sort of turn around regarding the Doctor's view of individuals. Many times throughout the decades we've seen _both_ arguments made from the Doctor. I can think of a number of times *10* said, rather pointedly, how important individuals were. That _there are no insignificant people._
Ultimately, I do not see it as a strange argument for the Doctor to make. It has been both ways, depending on what the current writer wanted. So, I don't see it as some measured or planned out theme that we are now getting a new perspective on.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I wanna see the lone cyberman throw someone across a room while raging and shouting
I also loved this episode! Gave me goosebumps, the lone cyber man first appearance was amazing, and Jodie went dark as the lonely god was breath taking 🥰👍🥰👍
Five year plan. The Cybermen are a distraction in this finale. Chibnall knows this. That is the trick of a writer. Bet I'm not wrong---but we'll see. xx
daniel kane I’m glad someone else sees the five year plan. People ignore it and think it’s only a seasonal arc.
What’s go be remembered is we’re going through a story arc of little hints Chibnall is gonna have to finish by his final series run.
Well, Jack mentioned "the Alliance" sent the cyberium back, so I imagine it's some kind of multi-planet, well, alliance fighting against the Cybermen.
Also, quick sidenote: I think you ment "psychopatic" instead of "psychotic". They sound similar, but mean very different things, and many people seem to get them mixed up.
I’m looking forward to the others catching up with this season!
I think it would be quite brave of the show for the companions (all or some) to leave the Doctor simply because of bad blood. Not a death, not leaving to look after someone but just because they are no longer friends. I feel like Ryan and Graham have been held a little more at arms length. Ryan seems to be getting disillusioned. Yaz hero worships the Doc a bit more. I think it would make for an interesting next series, the doc figuring out what she had wanted from those relationships (to be admired, to be distracted?) and what she wants (to give and receive) from future companions.
Kind of like what happened with Ace
@@Geznoo Except Ace went on to be trained at the Academy in Gallifrey
@@paulwagner688 I'm pretty sure the Canon scrapped that. I'm just basing this off of the the Dark Universe big finish story and the book Ace's actress wrote. Both came out this year
@@Geznoo No. Sarah Jane mentioned in the episode she met 11 that Ace was running a company that specializes in Environment Protection, and Big Finish is about to do stories about Ace running that company after getting her mind wiped about being a Time Lady.
She gets sent home in that condition, on President Romana's orders, because war with the Daleks breaks out, and Romana does not want very worst of the war to devastate Earth.
I do miss the theme of the Doctor 'serving at the pleasure of the human race' however I always thought that was a selfish concept to avoid responsibility in a way. I do like that 13 is here taking responsibility and making choices on behalf of humanity and I think the fact that she's making the more human decision to save one person shows that she did learn from all her past companions and still does carry them with her. Kinda feel like I'm reaching but if that's the case I like it a lot more
Fantastic episode
I may be overthinking this but personally, I think the "ghosts" Graham saw may be time remnants of a timeline in the process of getting deleted during this episode. As in, this wasn't the first time the Doctor visited Mary Shelley that same day. She first met her during his 8th Doctor days in the Big Finish audio dramas. She even became his companion for a while after that. But now it seems an event before this episode ended up rewriting that original past between the Doctor and Mary and that previous meeting on the same day. Whether it was a consequence of the Time War, Eleventh rebooting the universe or something else I still don't know but it may have something to do with the reason behind why the Doctor felt in 12x05 that time was swirling around her. Intrigued to learn more.
One thing I noticed - the Cyberman says his ship will “rip this REALITY apart”, not “this planet.” It might just be a euphemism, but it could be one more reference to a potential alternate reality.
9:42 Exactly what I also think of at the moment. MASH always been a good show, but that story is just one atop.
*Aaron:* _"Baby's crying and she's hidin."_
*Mel:* _"Ohhh, it makes me think of the chicken story."_
Was Mel referring to the last episode of M*A*S*H?
yes, i dont know another chicken story. It is a deep cut though
Marry Shelly is the author of Frankenstein. In this episode her experience and seeing the lone cyberman, and such inspired her novel
Every single bloody episode, I just cannot believe how Graham becomes more and more precious!
Even though I’m an avid fan of this era, this is by far the best episode of them. The writing, directing and the characters (main and side) are great. I love for the Doctor, it’s a lose-lose situation at the end. Ashad is a great villain and the balance of the sci-fi and the historical parts of the episode is bang on.
I really enjoyed this episode! I thought it was really well paced and although I have enjoyed this series I have found that things get resolved too quickly - they take care to really build up the drama and action but it is resolved in 5 minutes so I was super happy with this episode. Excited to see what happens in these last two episodes!
Love love love this episode. 🙂
Havent seen the video yet but just from seeing the thumbnail its seems like aaron saw a needle
I keep having dumb thoughts and I keep writing them. I'm sick, so forgive the ones I stumble around on. Maybe this one is one, too. Bringing Captain Jack back, and his sacrifice of one person to save billions seems flipped on its head, and it's very interesting that it's him telling the Doctor to do whatever needed to not let the cyberman have the cyberium, which means letting a person die to save others. We'll see how they deal with the fallout from not doing that here. Meanwhile, the Doctor's role is to preserve history in these two series, or that she knows that it's inevitable. (Might start calling her Eloise Doctor, since there have been a lot of Lost references lately.) I like this series, a lot, either way.
Great reaction next weeks gonna be awesome
9:40 "Oh, it makes me think of the chicken story."
That's exactly what I thought, too!
(I don't know if they mention this in the discussion, but for anyone wondering, they're referring to the show MASH)
Melanie - by chicken story, do you mean the final episode of MASH?
That's what I would guess
I loved this episode. There wasn't any little plot things that bugged me or things I thought didn't make sense. Most well written episode in my opinion.
I hope the Timeless child act they don't actually solved it to her last episode. Like In season 13 or 14 or 60th anniversary
Have you seen the episode titles this season lol
It's been teased long enough for it to be the story for this entire regeneration rather than one series. It's been something mentioned by the cloth spirit things in Ghost monument.
@@Jake-pr7js yes
@@Jake-pr7js I'm a big anime fan and I like it take multiple Seasons to solve the problem
I'm thinking that the "ghosts" were something to do with the Timelords
Maybe but personally, I think they may be time remnants. As in, this wasn't the first time the Doctor visited Mary Shelley that same day. She first met her during his 8th Doctor days in the Big Finish audio dramas. She even became his companion for a while after that. But now it seems an event before this episode ended up rewriting that original past between the Doctor and Mary and that previous meeting on the same day. Whether it was a consequence of the Time War, Eleventh rebooting the universe or something else I still don't know but it may have something to do with the reason behind why the Doctor felt in 12x05 that time was swirling around her. Intrigued to learn more.
last episode
me: IS THAT THE BLACK GUADIAN?!
show: nope
me: DAM IT
this episode:
Cyberman: are you the guardian?
me: shut the fuck up, not doing this twice in a row!
I said Jack in the poll because he DID tell Yaz, Graham, and Ryan to tell the Doctor to not give The Lone Cyberman what it wants. Why would he say that or bring it up if he didn't know what it was? Or that it existed in the first place?
Important question--WHY did the cyberium NOT want to go with the Cyberman?
Someone in this Resistance that was mentioned sent it back, it wasn't a Cyberman who sent it back. Also Jodie literally says, "Time Lord Magnetism" as to why it went to her instead of the Cyberman. Whoever sent it back was trying to avoid the Cyberman getting it.
on the companion thing: honestly if it was always the companions pulling the doctors from ignoring those miniscule lives then that means that non of the companions have mattered at all. I rather like the idea instead of the doctor learning from all those previous companions, from Rose to Billy, and for themselves deciding to care about those singular unimportant people vs the greater good. From the detached doctor right after war learning to care at least somewhat from Rose. Then gaining back his sense humour from Jack. Those 2 and MIckey kind of pushed him out of his war veteran mindset and back into adventurer mindset. Donna kind of pushing him to try anyway even if he knows he can't win completely (do something, save at least someone). This made the doctor more brave with messing with timelines even though the shadows of war left him somewhat scared to do so. To Martha who is a doctor showing him in some ways the difference between a good doctor and a good soldier, where for him and the rest of the universe in some ways those became synonymous. And him first realizing that it wasn't a great thing, and beginning to see the same scars that Martha gained going from a doctor to a soldier in some ways in himself. Then Amy and Rory showing him importance of not forgetting and/or fighting for love. And with that and River him sort of finally accepting that in some ways he is a soldiers still, which in turn led him to embracing the kind of retired war veteran status for himself with Clara and also accepting the importance of the small (in the scheme of the universe) people. Even becoming a grumpy old man for a while. And then getting his second midlife crisis and the stuff he got up to with Missy and Billy and gaining hope again. The doctor we see now is the hopeful doctor who gained the passion for adventures again, and the bravery to interfere, and the wish to get to know and interact with the world and have healed from most of the ptsd. A more calm and compassionate doctor who no longer lives in their head, trapped in tragedies. And this doctor actually lets her companions figure things out for themselves from time to time but also sometimes takes time to explain things and teach them.
The only reason I give this 9/10 & not higher.
Would have loved a mention of recursion/Castrovalva & to mention Bill (maybe even Danny & Cyber Brig & Adric) as the cybermen casualties.
Personally, the only reason I give this episode 9/10 & not higher is that I would have adored a reference to the 8th Doctor traveling with Mary Shelley as a companion in her pre-publication of Frankenstein days during the Big Finish audio dramas. However, there is still time in this season to give an explanation to the influence behind "time swirling" around the Doctor that could retroactively explain why her past with Mary got rewritten (which is what would have had to happen, as 8th first meet her that same night of June in 1816). So, assuming the answers they will end up giving don't ignore this major factor ala continuity error, I will gladly revise my rating and give it a solid 10.
It was confirmed by Jodie I think that the 'I won't lose anyone else to them' line referred to Bill
She implied that & we are inferring from her implication. But I wanted her to name Bill.
We all knew who she was talking about. I wanted that direct personal touch.
It was Mary Shelley who wrote Frankenstein.
Thanks, Melanie! Thanks, Aaron! ⏳
Cybermen & ghosts...another original story via Chibs (season 2 finale)
I like the idea of when ghosts play a big role there is a chance that they are just cybermen
the actor who played the poet looked like the same person who was playing the cyberman
I speak French as a second language (Canada) but had a really hard time making out what this maid was saying on first viewing. I don't know if it's the Parisian or a regional accent, period speech, or maybe it's just not the actress's language, but anyway, she said "C'est diabolique, monsieur. C'est terrible." (It's demonic/devilish/diabolical, sir. it's terrible.)
What I really want to know is why he heard it as French. He has been exposed more than enough to the TARDIS translation field to be able to understand such a well-known language...unless something was wrong with his brain. Maybe that scene and the one in the previous episode about his fears of cancer returning were more imminent foreshadowing than we thought.
In the credits, the name of the actress who speaks French is Sarah Perles. She is of Moroccan and Portuguese origin, and lived in France.
@@lichcoin6144 Yeah, that bugged me too. My best guess is something about the house folding on itself and locking them in is screwing with the Tardis' translation field, but Graham should still have that translator implant from the Ghost Monument, too, so it has to be something going on with him. Maybe he was getting haunted in more ways than one.
@@hiccuphufflepuff176 Could be. Regarding the haunting though, I may be overthinking this but personally, I think the "ghosts" Graham saw may be time remnants of a timeline in the process of getting deleted during this episode. As in, this wasn't the first time the Doctor visited Mary Shelley that same day. She first met her during his 8th Doctor days in the Big Finish audio dramas. She even became his companion for a while after that. But now it seems an event before this episode ended up rewriting that original past between the Doctor and Mary and that previous meeting on the same day. Whether it was a consequence of the Time War, Eleventh rebooting the universe or something else I still don't know but it may have something to do with the reason behind why the Doctor felt in 12x05 that time was swirling around her. Intrigued to learn more.
@@lichcoin6144 Agreed.
What's the song at the very end of this video?
I think this monologue is gonna push them away. If anyone probably ryan
12:35 Yess Aaron 😂 I thought the exact same
James *snap*
Squiz means to have a look
Are you the guardian?
No, sir. I am the valet!
Tegan had over 3 seasons as a companion.
She was a main companion in Season 19 & 20 but also being in a few stories in Season 21 and in Logopolis.
Yaz hinted at having feelings for the doc
C’est diabolique! Is what she said
29:51 Apart from the first cyber-story (The Tenth Planet), the Classic Doctors never met the Mondasian Cybermen. From the next cyber-story (The Moonbase) onwards, all the Classic Cybermen were from the planet Telos.
My headcanon for this is that the 12th cyber legion (the ones Rory blew up in A good man goes to war) were Telos cybermen.
@@Oxen1997 They could be. Like the Telosians, their leader has black "handles", so that might be a clue.
Aftr series 12 is ovr are you and the rest of the guys gunna start watchin classic who?
Your French is..... let's say "pas si magnifique que ça", Aaron. :)
This was a really surprisingly good episode but I still feel like 3 companions is dragging dead Waite around
Well one or more is/are going to leave at the end of this season. My bet is on Ryan, he's either going to leave of his own accord or get killed in the two part finale
Have to say Aaron is getting sexier in every video x
squiz
noun
\ ˈskwiz \
Definition of squiz:
LOOK, GLANCE
Where is Legends of Tomorrow?
This episode seemed alright. We finally seem to be getting back on track with the story-arc that's been set-up forever.
Stubagful may a good video, detailing why setting up the season like this, was pretty stupid.
I do some of that hope, not necessarily because I hate the characters so much, but merely because I think it would make a good story, that all three of The Doctor's companions will die in the finale, and we have to see The Doctor deal with the loss of her only friends.
We've seen The Doctor deal with the loss of many companions before, but I don't believe we've seen him lose so many at once.
Hey, if anyone's interested, I'm reviewing all the Doctor Who stories on my channel, with me just having uploaded my review of: 'The Monster Of Peledon (1974)!' No pressure, of-course; It just might be worth checking out! :)
I honestly think this series did the story arc better than most. 9 and 10's story arcs were pretty much just/ mention one word or sentence over and over and then make sense of it the episode before the finale. 11 and 12 are pretty much the same
@@Geznoo Oh, Yeah; At least they're Definitely being done better than Series 9 & 10. The only issue is that they keep bringing it up, and then leaving it for another month before bringing it up again.
I don't think Series 11 even Had a story-arc.
But, Yeah. Series 12 is getting better; Still plenty of room for improvement though. :)
@@carealoo744 Series 11 wasn't suppose to have any kind of story arcs, just like the series 24, 25 and 26 of _"Classic Who"_ ...
@@UomodAltriTempi Yeah, but after 10 Seasons of attempted story-arcs especially, you need to make sure you have some hit stories in the season.
We don't talk about Season 24. ;)
@@carealoo744 Ah, ah, my bad: I'm one of the few that actually really liked and enjoyed series 24..! Eh, eh...
I really wasn't a fan of this one. They had some super important and influential writers, Polidori, Byron, Shelley, and... they didn't DO anything with them. They kinda just mugged and hung around in the background. You could've replaced them with literally anyone else, just some random old timey folks, and it'd have been the same. Not to mention all the "horror" stuff just came off as kind of... goofy. Doctor Who has done much better horror episodes, Blink of course, and the Byzantium, the wood lady house, The Empty Child, The Impossible Planet, even Midnight. They didn't handle it well here, it just felt crass. And of course they had to shove in the whole "oooh maybe there really waaas a ghoooost" *jazzhands* shit that served no purpose to the actual plot. THAT would've been interesting. If the house really was haunted and the GHOSTS saved everyone from the cyberman.
And let's talk about that cyberman, eh? It was... Disappointing. They really blew their load with the whole "lone cyberman idea" simply by establishing so late in the game, and now they've already spent the payoff here. I was hoping that it would be more of an overarching plotline, that the lone cyberman would essentially be pursuing the Doctor, that she already had the thing it wants, and it's perhaps always a step or two behind her, perhaps at the end of each episode we'd see a brief glimpse of him showing up as they leave the time period or something, until finally he catches up with them at the end of the season for the big finale. Unfortunately, they didn't even announce the plotline until what, episode 5? So that's great, introduce your main driving plot arc halfway through a season. And then it's completely forgotten until now, and immediately brought to fruition. On top of that, the lone cyberman's design itself is underwhelming. The fact that they let him have a human face really brings the look down for me. I think the implacable face of the cyberman helmet is far more chilling, especially if that is the thing pursuing you. In fact, constrasting the emotionless face of a cyberman with the rage and violence the lone cyberman had would've actually made him far more intimidating, I think, unable to truly express his hatred or anger behind the emotionless mask. I wouldn't mind having human parts still showing, but not the face. Perhaps make him more gross and gory, having one arm shown was a good start, but maybe have the armour fused to his skin and a hole gouged out of his chest, and show his skin being all burned and scarred.
I don't really see why everyone seems to like this one in the comments, it was actually pretty boring and boilerplate. Cardboard cutout characters, goofy horror elements, overacting, unfunny jokes, nonsensical plot, poor conveyance of stakes... I guess it was better than last week's though?
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I honestly didn't like the Doctor (the character not the acting). The "mountainous" team structure is there because she can go back in time and change things, 99% of the universe do not have that privilege. She belittle her companions because they want to sacrifice one man to save billions. The Doctor found himself having to make that choise before and he choose for... "burn them all, time lords and daleks alike". It took him more than 400 years to come up with a different plan and so he changed the past (how many people can do that?!). And what happened because of his choise? The war of Trenzalore; how many died because he wanted to change the past and have all the people he MURDERED, back?
She received a message, not from random individuals, not from the timelords nor from her enemies, she recieved a message from an immortal FRIEND and yet she completely ignored it.
She even admits that she made a mess of things "Step 2: fix the mess I created in step 1". How many in the universe have the capabilities of fixing a mess that big?.
As someone very clever said: "Your version of good is not absolute. It's vain, arrongant and sentimental".