Crazy we are discussing a 3000£ build with a 105. Like 8 years ago 105 was the rookie groupset and you would rather go for the ultegra to have a decent groupset. Crazy how the prices went up and also how 105 increased in quality
@@matkrek105 is signicantly better than it was a decade ago. It’s basically the “all you need” groupset, unless you’re very competitive/ trying to be a “real” racer. My first road bike had Ultegra. Wouldn’t bother going past 105/rival now.
In Febr 2021 I got a new Colnago CLX with R8050 ultegra di2 rimbrake for 2750 euro. 7.6kg including the Favero Assioma pedals I bought (of course) seperately
Buy used Carbon 105 mech build, swap the wheelset with Hunt 44UD, RideNow TPU tubes, GP5k clinchers, dura ace cassette. You would most likely hit around 16lbs/7.26kg and shifts just like dura ace.
@@koreydeese6899 rotational weight does matter. My Hunt 44UD with 28mm GP5k clinchers and 22g tubes weigh, all in as a wheelset system, lighter and feel more responsive than my 353 NSW with S TR and 25ml Silca sealant. Despite the NSW coming in at 100g lighter than 44UD. Tubeless is heavier and so is sealant. On top of that extra weight, it’s located at the outermost part of the wheel which makes things more sluggish than they should be. Clinchers for the win especially considering similar rolling resistance.
I’d highly recommend before spending any of the money is to get a professional bike fit & you might discover by changing/upgrading a few key components you have a new bike!
l do like the Canyon CF option but there is a plethora of old carbon race bikes being sold 2nd hand that come top end parts and weigh in around 6kg for less than 3k and yes they re rim brake bikes which does not bother me at all :)
I think I want to upgrade my Cannondale CAAD8 , it’s not new, it’s aluminium and it weighs 12kg’ish, however I have fond memories on it, I’ve looked after it, it still looks new, going super-fast or racing is not my thing, but upgrading from SORA to 105, adding some carbon wheels , maybe carbon forks would be good. The new carbon Cannondale Synapse has built in lights and radar which I really don’t want.
Pause at 6:08 😄 I would love to do both builds but I might take it to $4000 to stick in a SRAM Force 1x groupset on the Allez Sprint (just because). I would do the Emonda ALR exactly the same way you did
I'd like to see this with a similar budget, but with the restriction of the various cycle to work schemes. Mainly because that's how I shall be buying my next bicycle!
@@wildsurfer12 Would like to see it get a bit more attention when looking at buying a new bicycle. Most direct to consumer options for example don't accept my brand of voucher it seems.
I think the value someone puts on frame material impacts this decision. If carbon fiber frame is required, I'd build it up from the frame. If aluminum works, I'm upgrading a budget bike. Can't really see any scenario where I spending 3k on a new complete bike. Even at that price I'd be changing something.
Buy a used one. I just bought a BMC Grand Fondo GF01 for 1500.00. It has 11 speed DI2 ultegra, rim brakes. tubeless tires, and works just fine. Back in 2013 this was a $7,000 bike. You don't have to get the latest and greatest...
For under 1k, one got a Trek Madone 4.7 Carbon bike with Ultegra 6700 rim brake groupset, brought a set of XTR pedals (9100) and a Mavic ksyrium wheelset. LET me tell you something that bike is a weapon, shifts so good with Jagwire pro inner and outer cables and weighs approximately 7.3kg. That Trek emonda ALR weighs over 9kg, bike will be a tank on the hills, the emonda is supposed to be Treks lightweight climbing bike lol
Because not everyone wants carbon. There's many reasons to not choose carbon, pricing it's not the only one. A high end aluminum bike like the Allez or the CAAD will actually be a better choice than a low tier carbon carbon bike
@@ramonrios9271 For sure, lasts longer, if in an accident, better chances of survival. At low prices, is better that the low tier carbon frames, and so on. The best choice for amateur racing.
For 3000£ (AUD$5705) I could buy 16 light weight vintage steel bikes like the one I currently ride; or I could buy one bike and go on a very nice holiday to Japan.
I was lucky to get new Giant TCR Advanced 1 on Ultegra for 1980 Euro, so for 1k I may add a pair of carbon wheels from Scribe or Hunt and be on perfect race bike. But I chose dt swiss pr1400 for awesome look 😊 and final price with wheels and tires - 2700
Mechanical all way.. wish Shimano would still offer it going forward as there’s still a market for it.. I know they have the new CUES but they should still have the higher levels.. just my opinion 👍👍🏅🚴
In 2023 as someone who wants a rim break bike with 105 mechanical shifting, and good wheels for under 2,000 I gotta build one. The cost for a machine to build it I guess will be worth the extra money
With my $3,750 US, I'm getting a vintage steel, rim brake, externally cabled frame set and building it out with full Ultegra 6500 or Dura-Ace 7700 in silver.
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Buy second hand. ALL road bikes are massively overpriced at the moment! Upgrade a decent frame and keep a very close eye on Sensa and other Eastern components.
Just got my elves falath frame last Friday, bought a full new 105 groupset for 600 and already got a winspace hyper wheelset, just under 3k total with the pirelli p zero race tires
Spend 1k on a gravel bike and have a few bike holidays with the rest of the 2k… spending the extra 2 k on a bike ain’t making you faster. £900 will get you a nice road bike with hunt mason x wheels
These days you can buy a really good quality frame set for less than $1,000. No reason to buy these top name brands. Many Chinese companies are producing top quality bikes and bike parts for much less than the name brands, and they're probably built in the same factories or by the same people. Just do your homework. There are many channels on here featuring people who buy all the different Chinese brands and test them thoroughly so you don't have to.
That's pretty much what I've done over the winter. I put together a 7kg full carbon disc brake aero bike. Just gotta know where to look to get a bargain and unfortunately, 99 times out of 100 your LBS ain't it.
An allez sprint. Really??? Are you guys paid by Specialized? Who actually buys an alloy frame at 1700 quid?? A giant tcr pro is the same price. Oh and it’s abt 500g lighter and more comfortable. Like let’s put on these wonderful bell of the north comfy tyres on a bone shaker frame? Seriously considering your being paid by certian brands
Hunt wheels are quite horrible judging from user reviews - failure rate is considerably higher than other brands in that price range and you can get better quality from Light Bicycle or Elite wheels.
@@luisll5171ah he's on the right channel £3000 for a bicycle is a delusional waste of money bicycle manufacturers are taking the piss out of you and they know it.
@@zedddddful And 3k is mid range these days,what's up with an old Raleigh Grifter ?.I work with people that have very expensive electric push bikes, it's more about how much you have paid than anything else . Trying to get in with the clique is a Bit like turning up to the golf club with a crap car and cheap clubs
Disappointed they didn't include going for a secondhand £3k option :( That must get you something ridiculously good if my searching through Facebook Marketplace today was anything to go by !
Crazy we are discussing a 3000£ build with a 105. Like 8 years ago 105 was the rookie groupset and you would rather go for the ultegra to have a decent groupset. Crazy how the prices went up and also how 105 increased in quality
Increased in quality??
@@matkrek105 is signicantly better than it was a decade ago. It’s basically the “all you need” groupset, unless you’re very competitive/ trying to be a “real” racer. My first road bike had Ultegra. Wouldn’t bother going past 105/rival now.
meanwhile I've had to ride tourney, sora, claris and Tiagra with the highest end groupsets I've had being an older 105 and GX eagle for my MTB
New or more recent doesn't mean better quality. The technology may have improved but it may also be tainted by marketing and built-in obsolescence.
@@drooghead amen
In Febr 2021 I got a new Colnago CLX with R8050 ultegra di2 rimbrake for 2750 euro. 7.6kg including the Favero Assioma pedals I bought (of course) seperately
Buy used Carbon 105 mech build, swap the wheelset with Hunt 44UD, RideNow TPU tubes, GP5k clinchers, dura ace cassette. You would most likely hit around 16lbs/7.26kg and shifts just like dura ace.
Agree with all except Dura Ace casette, it‘s a waste, take 105 and your build be just +60 gram
Tubes? What are those? Won’t ride tubes again. If you want to that’s fine, tubeless is just so good now.
@@stanislavkindiakov6334 split the difference and go with Ultegra get the shift ramps for crisper shifting.
@@koreydeese6899 rotational weight does matter. My Hunt 44UD with 28mm GP5k clinchers and 22g tubes weigh, all in as a wheelset system, lighter and feel more responsive than my 353 NSW with S TR and 25ml Silca sealant. Despite the NSW coming in at 100g lighter than 44UD. Tubeless is heavier and so is sealant. On top of that extra weight, it’s located at the outermost part of the wheel which makes things more sluggish than they should be. Clinchers for the win especially considering similar rolling resistance.
@@JayLato also the way. On my bikes I have 105, ultegra and mixed ones. All of them work totally perfect and I can‘t distinguish them
I’d highly recommend before spending any of the money is to get a professional bike fit & you might discover by changing/upgrading a few key components you have a new bike!
l do like the Canyon CF option but there is a plethora of old carbon race bikes being sold 2nd hand that come top end parts and weigh in around 6kg for less than 3k and yes they re rim brake bikes which does not bother me at all :)
I think I want to upgrade my Cannondale CAAD8 , it’s not new, it’s aluminium and it weighs 12kg’ish, however I have fond memories on it, I’ve looked after it, it still looks new, going super-fast or racing is not my thing, but upgrading from SORA to 105, adding some carbon wheels , maybe carbon forks would be good. The new carbon Cannondale Synapse has built in lights and radar which I really don’t want.
Your only concern should be tire clearance as it's more restrictive on older frames.
Through some nice wheels and sensah empire pro and call it a day
Pause at 6:08 😄 I would love to do both builds but I might take it to $4000 to stick in a SRAM Force 1x groupset on the Allez Sprint (just because). I would do the Emonda ALR exactly the same way you did
I'd like to see this with a similar budget, but with the restriction of the various cycle to work schemes. Mainly because that's how I shall be buying my next bicycle!
That’s how I’ve ordered by upgrades as well!
@@wildsurfer12 Would like to see it get a bit more attention when looking at buying a new bicycle. Most direct to consumer options for example don't accept my brand of voucher it seems.
YES! Any suggestions for this?
What a great guides, especially for everybody new in that trading world
I think the value someone puts on frame material impacts this decision. If carbon fiber frame is required, I'd build it up from the frame. If aluminum works, I'm upgrading a budget bike. Can't really see any scenario where I spending 3k on a new complete bike. Even at that price I'd be changing something.
Buy a used one. I just bought a BMC Grand Fondo GF01 for 1500.00. It has 11 speed DI2 ultegra, rim brakes. tubeless tires, and works just fine. Back in 2013 this was a $7,000 bike. You don't have to get the latest and greatest...
I remember looking at those at the time, they looked amazing but I was only starting out cycling so an entry level Pinnacle was my purchase then 😅
For under 1k, one got a Trek Madone 4.7 Carbon bike with Ultegra 6700 rim brake groupset, brought a set of XTR pedals (9100) and a Mavic ksyrium wheelset. LET me tell you something that bike is a weapon, shifts so good with Jagwire pro inner and outer cables and weighs approximately 7.3kg. That Trek emonda ALR weighs over 9kg, bike will be a tank on the hills, the emonda is supposed to be Treks lightweight climbing bike lol
Why bother with an Allez Sprint for £2600 when most brands are selling Carbon bikes with 105 Di2 for around £3K?
Because not everyone wants carbon. There's many reasons to not choose carbon, pricing it's not the only one. A high end aluminum bike like the Allez or the CAAD will actually be a better choice than a low tier carbon carbon bike
@@ramonrios9271 Lol no. This all alu bikes are overpriced crap
@@ramonrios9271 For sure, lasts longer, if in an accident, better chances of survival. At low prices, is better that the low tier carbon frames, and so on. The best choice for amateur racing.
welcome to the didnt watch the video before commenting club...
@@ramonrios9271 the same companies that sell Di2 carbon bikes for £3K sell aluminium bikes for less…
For 3000£ (AUD$5705) I could buy 16 light weight vintage steel bikes like the one I currently ride; or I could buy one bike and go on a very nice holiday to Japan.
My mate just bought a GIANT TCR Advanced Pro 1 with D12 Shimano & Carbon wheels for less in Australia. $5300 AUD. Pretty good value.
Ibis hakka MX, chorus 12 speed, deda touchpoints, Antares saddle for 3400 USD. Lots of sales out there to find
I was lucky to get new Giant TCR Advanced 1 on Ultegra for 1980 Euro, so for 1k I may add a pair of carbon wheels from Scribe or Hunt and be on perfect race bike. But I chose dt swiss pr1400 for awesome look 😊 and final price with wheels and tires - 2700
This - can’t believe this lot are advocating buying a really heavy bone shaking 105 allez over a tcr advanced and upgrading the wheelset
I'll like to build my own!
The 105 DI2 weighs 1kg. Mechanical any day of the week and easily serviceable.
Mechanical all way.. wish Shimano would still offer it going forward as there’s still a market for it.. I know they have the new CUES but they should still have the higher levels.. just my opinion 👍👍🏅🚴
Building one up would be fun
In 2023 as someone who wants a rim break bike with 105 mechanical shifting, and good wheels for under 2,000 I gotta build one. The cost for a machine to build it I guess will be worth the extra money
With my $3,750 US, I'm getting a vintage steel, rim brake, externally cabled frame set and building it out with full Ultegra 6500 or Dura-Ace 7700 in silver.
Caad 13 with 105 and carbon wheels
This bike was really easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and required very few adjustments out of the box. The wheels did not require any truing/adjustments. The frame had some small scratches, but nothing major.I did replace the seat though - the seat it came with was very uncomfortable. The tires need to be re-inflated every 4-5 days, but this appears to be quite common for the narrow 700x25 tires.Overall, in my opinion, this bike looks and rides like a much more expensive bike.
Allez Sprint, Emonda, …. Canyon Endurace. Odd third choice and I own a CF SL8 Endurace
Just bought a trek 5200 oclv in mint condition for 500 euros.
I've had my 5200 for twenty years near enough. It's had two replacement groupsets and one replacement set of wheels. I still love it.
4th way would be to get a part time at a bike shop for the summer and use the discount!
Buy second hand. ALL road bikes are massively overpriced at the moment! Upgrade a decent frame and keep a very close eye on Sensa and other Eastern components.
No mention of Chinese built frames , e.g., Elves. Curious isn’t it?
Just got my elves falath frame last Friday, bought a full new 105 groupset for 600 and already got a winspace hyper wheelset, just under 3k total with the pirelli p zero race tires
@specialk824 From ordering to receiving it, how long did you have to wait?
@@nikolajmoyes9574 almost 2 months, ordered on February 24th, arrived April 21st, once they shipped it out it arrived in 3 days though
Trek emonda AL5 for £2300? There are laods of 2022 SL5s still around for 2 grand. I would not be paying that for an alloy frame.
Waiting for my Trek Emonda SL5, 105 mechanical and a deal on bontrager 50mm carbon rims for £3000
Spend 1k on a gravel bike and have a few bike holidays with the rest of the 2k… spending the extra 2 k on a bike ain’t making you faster.
£900 will get you a nice road bike with hunt mason x wheels
Look really good and have a UCI sticker - all you need to know about the expertise of this "journalist" =))
These days you can buy a really good quality frame set for less than $1,000. No reason to buy these top name brands. Many Chinese companies are producing top quality bikes and bike parts for much less than the name brands, and they're probably built in the same factories or by the same people. Just do your homework. There are many channels on here featuring people who buy all the different Chinese brands and test them thoroughly so you don't have to.
Or you could go for 2200€ Canyon Endurace CF 8 with full ultegra groupset and full carbon ;)
That's pretty much what I've done over the winter. I put together a 7kg full carbon disc brake aero bike. Just gotta know where to look to get a bargain and unfortunately, 99 times out of 100 your LBS ain't it.
I want to do the same. Which frame did you use?
@@werbinich3939I used the Elves Falath Pro. It's a nicely made frame, I'm happy with it
One word: canyon ultimate cf sl 8 RIM brake model. Now for 2,399 dollars.
Caad 13 with better wheels.
I really don't think this is the most popular price point. I wonder how you came to this number.
An allez sprint. Really??? Are you guys paid by Specialized? Who actually buys an alloy frame at 1700 quid?? A giant tcr pro is the same price. Oh and it’s abt 500g lighter and more comfortable. Like let’s put on these wonderful bell of the north comfy tyres on a bone shaker frame? Seriously considering your being paid by certian brands
Who the f***k spends that kinda money on a bicycle in this economy
Cottons are trash unless you like flats.
I'm waiting the emonda frame next week, have ordered alla other parts, gonna built it my self... (Watch the channel :p)
I would change my wheels from spokes to blades just to differentiate myself from the homeless community
Get three high end carbon bikes second hand.
Hunt wheels are quite horrible judging from user reviews - failure rate is considerably higher than other brands in that price range and you can get better quality from Light Bicycle or Elite wheels.
buy a specialized sl6 sports tarmac
3000 pounds for a rim brake are enough
used everything - 2K
If you want buy a bikeand care about money,, dont look for specialized
Nice overpriced frames, better a Stevens Aspin ultegra for ~1600€.
There isn't just get a. Car
Wrong channel for you
@@luisll5171ah he's on the right channel £3000 for a bicycle is a delusional waste of money bicycle manufacturers are taking the piss out of you and they know it.
@@zedddddful And 3k is mid range these days,what's up with an old Raleigh Grifter ?.I work with people that have very expensive electric push bikes, it's more about how much you have paid than anything else . Trying to get in with the clique is a Bit like turning up to the golf club with a crap car and cheap clubs
Disappointed they didn't include going for a secondhand £3k option :(
That must get you something ridiculously good if my searching through Facebook Marketplace today was anything to go by !