Sall Grover: My fight for women-only spaces

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  • Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
  • Sall Grover, founder of women-only social-media app Giggle, is the latest guest on The Brendan O’Neill Show. Sall and Brendan discuss how her app was brought down by trans activists and her legal battle to defend women’s privacy.
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Комментарии • 144

  • @MrJetwpn
    @MrJetwpn 24 дня назад +53

    Thanks Sall for fighting this fight as a father of two girls in NZ i realise how important it is!

    • @rwlynch3468
      @rwlynch3468 18 дней назад

      NZ seemed like a horrible place for women when KJK went there. Has anything improved over the last year? (Im in the UK with distant family in NZ, so just curious)

    • @MrJetwpn
      @MrJetwpn 16 дней назад +1

      It's a lot better since Jacinda left , but she's left a lot to fix!Still very woke and left media doesn't help

  • @marieparker3822
    @marieparker3822 24 дня назад +64

    How did a mentally ill 0.003 per cent of the population manage to manipulate laws to take legal rights away from 52 per cent of the population? Who did this?

    • @plantsntrance5513
      @plantsntrance5513 24 дня назад

      The women and woke people who want to be "nice" and would rather die a tragic death than be called a bigot by anybody.

    • @alexandragrace8164
      @alexandragrace8164 24 дня назад

      Paraphilic men. Never underestimate the power of a man’s libido. 😢

    • @trainerdisability
      @trainerdisability 24 дня назад +1

      Most are actually men playing out their fetish in real life after having been addicted to porn.
      There is some big money behind it from business men who also like to cross dress

    • @kellieheald
      @kellieheald 24 дня назад +1

      Ex Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard has a lot to answer for. She betrayed ALL women

    • @cinemar
      @cinemar 24 дня назад +12

      Because women like to be nice. That's how.

  • @maryskelcher8979
    @maryskelcher8979 24 дня назад +56

    Go Sall. You're fighting for all of us👏👏👏👏👏

  • @Glenda-px4we
    @Glenda-px4we 24 дня назад +32

    Well done Sall will happily donate again if it goes to the high court. From an Irish woman.

  • @seizetheday9546
    @seizetheday9546 24 дня назад +35

    The risible name of this case is the LEAST most ridiculous thing about this🤯

  • @tim2muntu954
    @tim2muntu954 24 дня назад +20

    I respect your desire for a quiet life Sall. Unlike the overwhelming majority, you just wouldn't pay for it with your integrity.
    That makes you EXACTLY the sort of person history taps on the shoulder. You appear to have more courage than all the men in your country who laugh about this over a pint, but who clam up when it's time to speak..

  • @inkoftheworld
    @inkoftheworld 24 дня назад +26

    I've been following this stuff since JKR's tweet in Dec 2019, and it still feels surreal... listening to her being taken to court and putting gender over biological sex, is just so wild, surreal and plainly stupid.

  • @helenromanelli2544
    @helenromanelli2544 24 дня назад +16

    I've heard this case discussed a couple of times before and pick up on new points each time I hear it repeated and amplified. I am very admiring of Sal Grover because this is a tough, tough case. I wish you well, lady, and feel that you will win in the high court. Bless your endurance. You are doing this for your daughter and daughters, mothers, wives etc the world over. You are a warrior.

  • @janewatson8108
    @janewatson8108 24 дня назад +23

    Well done Sall. Just being stubborn and standing your ground can be a very powerful strategy.

  • @ogazm1865
    @ogazm1865 24 дня назад +30

    Brilliant lady 👍

  • @rw2993
    @rw2993 24 дня назад +17

    Sall Grover is my heroine for all time.

  • @cynthiajohnson9412
    @cynthiajohnson9412 24 дня назад +20

    If been following this trans so-called 'debate' for years now and I've heard a phrase in this talk I've been waiting to hear for almost a decade - 'out of patience'. Thank you, Brendan. Patience is a virtue when it comes to hearing the other side out, maybe there is some unknown or misunderstood factor involved, but patience can and frankly should run out. And that time has long since passed. I'm a social observer and I've noticed that there seem to be reoccurring concepts that surface roughly every decade and a half (once a generation) that for some reason never seem to get nailed down. One of these is the 'ends justify the means'. Why we have to debate that it's not okay to do shitty things when you think you are in the right, is beyond me. And yet every 15 years this stupid excuse rears it's ugly head and we find ourselves back at the beginning of time explaining that you don't just get to do shitty things because you think your cause is special. Well the same goes for the 'because I want to' non-argument. It didn't work as a justification to injure other people's health with smoking and it doesn't work with trampling women's rights with trans. It doesn't work with two-year-olds, even if modern parents think it does, and it's certainly should not be a tenet in law. As a matter of fact, 'feelings' need to be completely eliminating from law, both in crafting and enforcing law. Discretion in the hands of the legal system is always a must, but appeals to 'feelings' i.e. because you 'wanted to' has never been a legitimate rationale for dominantly abusive behavior. Feelings do have a place in law, and that's before a judge at sentencing. And of course juries are gonna have 'feelings' about a case, which is why we have twelve jurors such that the indulgent and irrational get checked, balanced, and mitigated. Do we accept, 'I just felt like clobbering' him as a justification? No, we don't. Feelings are supposed to be regulated, and so is the desire to exploit other people for the sake of fantasy. It's about time we all 'ran out of patience' and stopped tolerating this nonsense. The trans activists have been heard ad nauseam and society has rejected their 'because we want to' ploys for dominance. Enough already, enough.

    • @helenromanelli2544
      @helenromanelli2544 24 дня назад +4

      It has been said that patience is a minor form of despair masquerading as a virtue. I stand by that.

    • @cynthiajohnson9412
      @cynthiajohnson9412 24 дня назад

      @@helenromanelli2544 You forgot to add that the adage was coined by an asshole.

  • @lewisgriffiths6484
    @lewisgriffiths6484 24 дня назад +25

    good luck Sall

  • @helenablavatsky9136
    @helenablavatsky9136 24 дня назад +23

    Go Sall !

  • @tim2muntu954
    @tim2muntu954 24 дня назад +13

    I hope the judge throws the book at the misogynist simps.
    Fancy totally trashing your own integrity, then expecting as a right, that others should have to trash their integrity just so you don't feel lonely. That's not narcissism, that's psychopathy.
    All the best Sall.

    • @francishooper9548
      @francishooper9548 24 дня назад

      A christian would say that they are just a spare rib.

    • @tim2muntu954
      @tim2muntu954 23 дня назад +1

      No that's something a resentful atheist would say who has never read the bible.

  • @Jennyw12000
    @Jennyw12000 23 дня назад +4

    Standing with you Sall. Thanks for fighting for women.

  • @GodsCosmicBollock
    @GodsCosmicBollock 24 дня назад +5

    If only there was an appropriately Australian name for an absurd and unfair trial...

  • @rossmenzies1484
    @rossmenzies1484 24 дня назад +6

    Fight on Sall. The tide is turning.

  • @greencloud2225
    @greencloud2225 22 дня назад +2

    Fantastic interview- a very brave and committed woman speaking for us all.

  • @andreabell5724
    @andreabell5724 22 дня назад +1

    And yes- where are all the legislators- we are paying- to be doing this. Thank you endlessly ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @marieparker3822
    @marieparker3822 24 дня назад +6

    No-one worthy of your vote: you can always spoil your ballot paper. Buy a thick black marker pen to write with, and say exactly what you like.
    'Those who can convince us to believe absurdities can persuade us to commit atrocities.' - I'm not sure who said this. It may have been Voltaire.

  • @freeman8128
    @freeman8128 24 дня назад +9

    Not only should there be 'women only' spaces, there should also be MEN ONLY spaces, clubs &c.

    • @HellCatt0770
      @HellCatt0770 22 дня назад

      Why? Women want spaces so we don’t get assaulted/raped/sexually harassed by certain men. I don’t think you have that risk?

    • @riiidiculoso8697
      @riiidiculoso8697 19 дней назад +5

      It was the same legislation which protected both, the same legislation which has been destroyed by gender ideology, and the same legal protections Sal is fighting to reinstate.

  • @sandrarios2253
    @sandrarios2253 23 дня назад +2

    Will donate if it goes to the high court.

  • @maryross3834
    @maryross3834 19 дней назад +1

    its totally outrageous that a private business is being asked to cater for trans its and that the HRC do not see a problem with their own handling and solutions around this. If I was her and loss I would let them all on and then shut the enitre operation down. They are spiteful and ffn evil imo.

  • @hnyflvr
    @hnyflvr 22 дня назад +1

    Utter Madness...beam me up Scottie!

  • @dayamitrasaraswati6276
    @dayamitrasaraswati6276 12 дней назад

    There were no human rights for me during COVID. I have a medical condition that means I am unable to have the vaccines and I had problems with mandates.
    The "Human Rights" people were useless to me. My condition is now recognized by the TGA as warranting an exemption but it's too little too late. I've lost most "friends" and all my social groups who enjoyed the power trip of the Nazi regime.
    What "human rights"? I couldn't appeal a decision that meant a risk to my life! The "Human Rights" commission is a joke!
    I hope Sall wins! A win for her is a win for all women.

  • @andreabell5724
    @andreabell5724 22 дня назад +1

    And thank you!!! Thank you thank you!!

  • @horwoodg
    @horwoodg 24 дня назад +3

    If an AI system can differentiate between a male and a female, with a 96% accuracy, then I suggest we don't need a court case to figure it out. Also, I'm surprised Roxanne can afford this. Was he/she already wealthy?

    • @francishooper9548
      @francishooper9548 24 дня назад

      Government funding.

    • @gisellemagraibhaigh8342
      @gisellemagraibhaigh8342 24 дня назад

      The Human Rights Commission is funding his case - outrageous

    • @robyn7287
      @robyn7287 21 день назад

      I believe the funding is coming from the community . She has a go fund me page, I’ve donated. This is hugely important for all girls and women in today’s upside down society. Men claim to be women, ok but don’t come into biology womens areas. Trans have to find their own place. Strange that these men are not insisting that biological men change their spaces for theses men, they are men, not women, don’t buy into the lies and false claims. Women have fought for so many rights now it’s the trans communities time to fight for their rights without taking women’s spaces and rights. I’m not just referring to a talk show but toilets, changing rooms and sports. I think if the trans community had come together to fight for them to have their own spaces and sports then we wouldn’t have had all these nuts threatening women.

  • @ThePontiacBandit911
    @ThePontiacBandit911 24 дня назад +1

    Love this Aussie goddess. 🇦🇺

  • @traceyleestokes7920
    @traceyleestokes7920 21 день назад +1

    When do we find out the results?

  • @kathleenwalmsley9040
    @kathleenwalmsley9040 24 дня назад

    With you all the way, Sall.

  • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
    @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 24 дня назад +2

    You both look startled in the pics you dynamic duo

  • @wild_gypsy_rose
    @wild_gypsy_rose 24 дня назад

    When was this interview recorded?

  • @ginaweith9475
    @ginaweith9475 18 дней назад

    I think the argument that this app is sex based, is the clearest message. It is based on biological sex.

  • @geekgurl2000
    @geekgurl2000 24 дня назад +14

    I've dubbed him Boxy Tackle 🤪

    • @ribbonsofnight
      @ribbonsofnight 23 дня назад +1

      Still not as good as Tess.

    • @zeldagoblin
      @zeldagoblin 19 дней назад +1

      @ribbons took me a sec, but brilliant!

  • @TheWerewolfOfNorway-mf5jz
    @TheWerewolfOfNorway-mf5jz 18 дней назад

    Should just hire some goons to go pay Roxy a little visit. I'd do it for free.

  • @chopper2204
    @chopper2204 24 дня назад +3

    Maybe there just needs to be more precise categorisation; trans Mens , trans womens, male , female classifications for single sex spaces/sports etc?
    Or one way to deal with it could be to make it a 'Womb only' club, for ppl of all sexes who have possessed a womb from birth.

    • @alexandragrace8164
      @alexandragrace8164 24 дня назад +5

      In Australia it’s illegal to have any public “women only” event that excludes men who identify as women.

    • @chopper2204
      @chopper2204 24 дня назад

      @@alexandragrace8164 But then we have an impasse ,because a 'biological' woman most certainly possesses a womb as is clear from all anatomical data as taught in biology, this is undeniable, and if we were to state that ALL sexes and genders who possess a womb are welcome then WE have not excluded anyone, they have excluded themselves or rather...as is the case ; nature has precluded them from actually being biologically and genetically female, but on paper we have not. This is supposed to illustrate how we should be switching the focus back onto what it means to be female genetically because this is the undeniable and verifiable ground on which truth may be used to fight the argument instead of cultural emotive strong-arm opinion. Whilst at the same time the argument can be that ; it is not actually about gender or women but merely about wombs. In this way you would force the debate to be pro or anti womb...which you would hope would be becoming too ridiculous.

  • @andreabell5724
    @andreabell5724 22 дня назад +1

    Sall, I’m wondering how facial feminization procedures will affect AIs read? Especially trained on much data propagandizing that men can somehow become women.

  • @youtubeyoutube936
    @youtubeyoutube936 23 дня назад

    There was an article in the independent a few weeks ago how male only clubs should not be allowed but that there was a need for female only clubs. I’ve never belonged to a male only club or even clubs for that matter but that’s feminism and I’m now supposed to support female spaces!

    • @greencloud2225
      @greencloud2225 22 дня назад +4

      Yes a bit of tone deafness there.
      The men’s only clubs were a problem back in the day because it shut career women out of the ‘old boys network’ of high level decision making.
      That is hardly an issue now with LinkedIn etc .
      If men want to sit in leather clubs drinking whiskey and making sexist jokes I’m fine with that.
      Just don’t cosplay and come into my private spaces

    • @youtubeyoutube936
      @youtubeyoutube936 21 день назад

      What like working men’s clubs golf clubs male gyms? I’m ok with both having own spaces

    • @greencloud2225
      @greencloud2225 21 день назад +2

      @@youtubeyoutube936 I doubt it even crossed their minds that working men’s clubs existed or that they would want to join them!!
      Like you I’m fine with men’s spaces. I’ve never understood the worry about being “excluded” but then I’m working class. Too busy earning a living.
      Still want to keep women’s toilets for women though!

    • @youtubeyoutube936
      @youtubeyoutube936 20 дней назад

      I agree

  • @aaronbeat1136
    @aaronbeat1136 24 дня назад +4

    My issue here is that she is using their language.
    Biological women are simply called women, the rest are trans women

    • @marieparker3822
      @marieparker3822 24 дня назад +1

      'Trans' women are *MEN*.

    • @trainerdisability
      @trainerdisability 24 дня назад +1

      No. Trans women are actually TIM’s Trans Identified Males

    • @kellieheald
      @kellieheald 24 дня назад +1

      No such thing as a trans woman. There are women, men and trans identifying men

    • @OohTarquin
      @OohTarquin 24 дня назад

      The rest are men .

    • @pollyparrot9447
      @pollyparrot9447 24 дня назад

      No - the rest are men.

  • @biancawilloughby9980
    @biancawilloughby9980 19 дней назад

    The win or loss of this case but either side will make no difference to the rights of women and girls.

  • @RobynNicholson-Reid-bz4hw
    @RobynNicholson-Reid-bz4hw 24 дня назад

    Queensland is F....D!!! Has been for years!!

  • @karencapovila1606
    @karencapovila1606 23 дня назад

    So glad you’re stopping this

  • @ferulebezel
    @ferulebezel 22 дня назад

    I don't know. She has crazy eyes.

    • @robyn7287
      @robyn7287 21 день назад

      The pics look like the department of vehicles license took them, mine license photo is worse.😮

  • @sulijoo
    @sulijoo 24 дня назад +4

    I'm all for women-only spaces. But name one space that men can have all to themselves without feeling guilty.

    • @richalderson6069
      @richalderson6069 24 дня назад +23

      Changing rooms, locker rooms, saunas etc etc, Those are the type of spaces we're talking about, not conference rooms or golf clubs.

    • @omgitsabloodyandroid5161
      @omgitsabloodyandroid5161 24 дня назад +11

      Sheds
      There is a charity all about Man Sheds

    • @maryskelcher8979
      @maryskelcher8979 24 дня назад

      Men's toilets

    • @Ralstro
      @Ralstro 24 дня назад +4

      My bed - women are only too happy to call that a man only space! 😉

    • @springwood1331
      @springwood1331 24 дня назад

      Yea, men should absolutely be able to start a men only app like Sall's, as well as have your own toilets, changing rooms, support groups (esp if it relates to violence perpetrated by women). Just as women should be (but as this case shows, its not ok with some trans identified men)

  • @AlbertPaysonTerhune
    @AlbertPaysonTerhune 23 дня назад

    Bad cases make bad law. This particular one is inane, beats the band. Then you have two terribly silly people discussing it.
    Brendan thinks it's about not calling "a man in a wig" just that. No, dear, "a man in a wig" is what we call a transvestite, a cross-dresser, whatever. Irrelevant to Sally's pointless case. (For that matter, most actual mtf's tend to look like Sally Grover, while ftm's resemble Brendan O'Neill, right down to the facial hair. The mirror doesn't lie.)

    • @robyn7287
      @robyn7287 21 день назад +1

      Oh my goodness what mirror are you using, trans people, on the majority, look exactly like their biological sex, it’s delusional to believe otherwise.

    • @zeldagoblin
      @zeldagoblin 19 дней назад +2

      You sound bitter.

    • @sarahwilson7558
      @sarahwilson7558 19 дней назад +2

      “The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”

    • @hayleylongster4698
      @hayleylongster4698 18 дней назад

      'Transwoman' are men in wigs. 'Transwomen' are tranvestites.
      Deal with it.

    • @AlbertPaysonTerhune
      @AlbertPaysonTerhune 18 дней назад

      @@zeldagoblin Bitter? Or highly amused? Here you have someone starting a hookup app and pretending to be outraged when it gets dogpiled by mischief-makers. Instead of a hookup app, substitute "porn site," because it's the same principle. HOW self-righteous can you get? And then there's Mr. Sanctimonious O'Neill pretending there's nothing odd or untoward about the whole affair.

  • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
    @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 24 дня назад +4

    Do it for Oz and sanity mate. Most Aussies don`t believe in the woke

    • @robyn7287
      @robyn7287 21 день назад

      Yet Australia has become more woke than many other countries. We have been asleep at the wheel. While we heard about how woke ideology was in other countries our government just passed laws and regulations without most of us knew.