Batya Ungar-Sargon: Why the culture war is a class war
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- Batya Ungar-Sargon returns to The Brendan O’Neill Show to talk about her new book, Second Class: How the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women. Batya and Brendan discuss the death of the American dream, the rise of the managerial elite and why there is hope in the populist backlash.
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The working class don't want communism, it's just mind games for the middle class.
-Johnny Lydon
I`m a 61 year old working class Aussie. We don`t go for this woke shit at all. And i`m a poor boomer
No, but sadly the North Shore and Eastern Suburbs of Sydney do.
@@Mike-br8zt Rich wankers
I had a far left, extremely progressive male lecturer/programme lead, at university, who tried to convince us he was working class. He was the most awful person. These type of people see the real working class as the far right deplorables.
If I was to go back to university as a mature student, I would have to study a hard vocational science…electronic engineering maybe. I’m too long in the tooth for the political indoctrination of the arts or humanities and alike. There would be pushback.
“Being poor is very expensive actually” So true
She's very well-spoken. I'd like to see more of her on here.
Great conversation? Batya is amazing! What refreshing, erudite analysis without falling into tribal tropes! I'm buying her book!
I wonder if finally the team at Spiked have now stopped talking about a “more liberal” immigration system in the UK? It is and always has been both a class war issue and a war on the native Brits.
Batyas socioeconomic fusion lens of analysis is totally unique among the "intelligentsia" and makes a TON of sense. It's weird that none of the chattering class politicians and journalists seem to see this. Almost like it would be self-indicting...
She has found a way for us, out of the great political impass.
@@Albemarle7there is no way out… all major parties are signed up the current model. Rebellions will happen from time to time but they will be defused or co-opted
Wonderful Lady!
Inflation is a wealth transfer for those who have access to the monetary spigots of the central bank.
Were the Democrats not the slave-owning Class in the USA? Educated to Master's level, myself, I was completing a doctoral thesis when my life changed through unanticipated cardiac arrest (Complete Cardiac Block): but, as a Registered Nurse, and having studied Theology at university, I still consider myself Working Class. Education was done alongside my working life: the work I did in order to pay my mortgage and other bills. I viewed healing the sick (those with haematological malignancies) in vocational terms. But education never ceases: retirement allows one to continue with it, without the pressures of needing to pass exams, or write dissertations. Thank goodness for retirement!
Talks alot of sense does Batya.
Spot on, really on the mark stuff. The veil fell long ago on those that pretend to shout for the working people, but have disdain for them.
House-building and immigration are inextricably linked. I live in the UK and we have a massively unsustainable net migration helping keep our wages down and mean that its impossible to get a dentist appointment etc. When someone suggests building over greenbelt to house yet more people moving here its not a good sell for me. With our current birth rate we dont need this many new houses, the new houses are for immigrants.
Really enjoying this
By driving up energy prices by Net Zero policies and the like, we have also transferred part of our heavy industry and manufacturing capacity to China, India and other nations, often using less rigorous labour market standards, etc (although I am broadly for free trade in general). This huge transfer of industry is largely glossed over by those who declaim about global warming, etc. There's a disconnect, and some of this is class-based. People who live in smart neighbourhoods and haven't worked in a factory, farm or shipyard cannot relate to what is going on.
All green policies will have a huge impact on the poor. The chattering classes will not feel a thing.
Great stuff! If there was an option to leave a Super Thanks I would happily do so!
The working class are those individuals living from paycheck to paycheck.
Not necessarily. I Think it is more about dirty fingernail.
It's not quite that simple. There's many people in the US making 150k a year and living paycheck to paycheck. Idk if people understand how many like upper middle class American that's make a good, to great salary by basically anyone in the world standards manage to live paycheck to paycheck by living a quite lavish lifestyle.
The new working class are people not working for the government. People working for the government have guaranteed income regardless of how much work there is. The working class live job to job. If there are no construction job, the tradies, the cost accountants, the sales people the truckies all hurt - unlike government employees.
Is/Will 'Second Class' be available as an audio book?
I think working class has a lot to do with Real Economy vs Knowledge Economy. I am often shocked by the snobbishness of American sitcoms. Not a rigorous sociology assessment, i know, but why is the first thing you learn that someone is a janitor they are 'just' a janitor. Meritocracies are great but then the status preening is so obnoxious.
From the UK? If so, most Americans couldn't comprehend or stand the "crabs in a bucket" mentality that seems to be rampant in the UK.
Australia. Maybe it is a bit like that. Tall poppy syndrome we call it. Enjoy your status but maybe don't be so crass about it.
Great interview, very thoughtful and insightful.
Have you considered some of the students/Gaza protests are simply a horror and rejection of what is happening ... seems to me in Gaza also, the normal working people are getting harmed by the actions of the radical political class.
Well, no. You never hear them calling for the release of hostages or condemning Hamas, let alone calling for them to surrender.
The Anti-Israel mob aren't interested in preventing war and suffering, in fact they seem quite happy for it to happen as long as the victims are Jews.
There will no doubt be an element of genuine horror and rejection by some but most seem to revel in attacking Israel and Jews. I suspect that most have very little knowledge of the Middle East and what little knowledge they have was gained from a Kebab shop.
What's the book called? Will see if I can grab a coppy..
Dad and both brothers are working class, none of us want this. We just want to live our lives and be left the fuck alone. I got a gay friend, and he doesn't gree with the woke stuff either.
"whos foing to make my coffee in Pret"
I remember
I member
In the UK the working class get the blame for everything. Take ulez. Who's paying? A big company can buy a fleet of new ev's the middle class can get a new car on finance. I can't pay £40,000 for a new transit ev not to mention the technology isn't good enough. It's not practical for where i live or the weight i have to carry.
I didn't know Carl Benjamins wife was an author!
I make a similar joke every time I see her 😂
Not so much 'white collar vs blue collar' as 'management class vs drone class'.
I just found out she's married to Sargon of Akkad. Smally world.
Very good - but I still think re-distribution is a good idea.
Is woke maybe a kind of anorexia disorder but about obe's culture rather than body?
Carl is looking pretty hot again!
Marxist all the way down.
F Marx
F brave new world
All the talk of class drove me away from otherwise excellent conversations… and one minute in.. it’s all class.. ugh. Aristos all gone. Anyone can do. Immigrants do so all the time. People vary. It’s okay. There will always be variation. What is wrong is to think that there wouldn’t be variation. This is just your big standard old school leftist class warfare crap. 🙂