I own the Canon 50mm FD 1.8 and I love it! Mine is 1980’s build. The insight you shared in this video is fresh air from all of the PYXIS unboxing and first impressions.
Wow, this was a great, real-world use review. Specs are always important, but hearing about someone's actual USE of the camera is insightful. Thanks for going into so much detail. I have edited a little bit of BRAW footage, but none that required noise reduction. How do you think the CPU friendly BRAW footage with noise reduction is compares to other RAW footage, and even non-RAW footage? FWIW, none of my clients currently accept BRAW footage, so I'm hoping Blackmagic will opt to add ProRes in the future.
@@davidp158 evening David, thanks! For a bit more detail on the noise reduction, it is a bit of a taste thing. And stems somewhat from comparing raw footage to other codecs that have had more processing applied at the point of capture in camera. Which can often involve an element of noise reduction. So to get to that level with raw footage some gentle noise reduction can be applied. This usually doesn’t slow down my Mac noticeably, unless I’m using it heavily or using the more advanced noise reduction options. Having said that a lot of the time I just roll with the texture if it works for the image and isn’t objectively ’bad’.
Also I wouldn't hold out too much hope for prores unfortunately. Not many of the recent cameras have supported it, but I believe the video assists still do so that could be an option giving you a monitor and prores....
Hello, thanks for your reviews. However there huge compresion artifact like you exported on low bitrate H264 or H265. looks soft and with a lot of compression artifact. IDK if you can fix that, that would be lovely. Regards
Thanks for sharing your experience Dale. The orientation of those ports does seem to be a bit of a miss. Given the power consumption, v-mount seems to be more the way to go - going for a huge BPU battery, I'd worry about snapping the battery mount tabs as there's a lot of leverage from the battery if you knock it. Maybe it's built solidly enough though?
@@alzibaba I’ve just picked up some 75wh BPU batteries and will be giving them a trial run this week. I know what you mean, but I figure this is a mount and battery type that has been around a while. So it is probably fine…
Thanks Dale for sharing your experience in such detail, you are providing good educational content to many people starting with Pyxis and Black magic. I wonder if it would have been better to shot on 6K (full res of the sensor) and just edit on a 4K timeline. The image is better when you shot in 6K and you get more detail, dynamic range and less noise. And Davinci can handle the downscaling from 6K to 4K flawlessly in real time (also you can use proxies if your computer is not powerful enough). By shooting in 6K FF you also make better use of the full resolution of the optics of the Canon FD lenses. I really see no point in shooting in 4K just to match the less performing B cam. It should always be the other way around: the B cam should adapt to the A cam requirements. JMHO
@@phrasalsyntax thanks! The choice to shoot at the 4k DCI was down to data. In an ideal world I’d have shot at the full gate (or a closer crop) and a lower compression ratio. But that would have generated substantially more data. Sometimes these considerations win out, but I’ll be shooting some other things that explore the full gate and different compression settings over the next few weeks 🙌
Hey Xavier, I will have a review for the cineview Master on @diyphotography going live in a couple of weeks. Just got to test out a few more things, currently I’ve not used it with the receiver unit. Just working with the director iOS connection and iOS wireless so far. Mind you from what I’ve seen so far this is a really solid unit and the latency is just untouched outside of way more expensive systems!
Tilta made a V mount extension plate that directly connects to the Zcam. Because first cameras had the flush at the back as well. Now the new Zcam line is off tilt . I don’t know if the same plate will actually work for black magic pix. It be interesting to see if it would or if Tilta will come out with a solution.
@@Mastersh1t hey, I was using the Accsoon Cineview Master 4k. It was taking the Sdi out from the PYXIS and then you have the option of a wired connection to an iOS device or wireless
@@mikolajjordan I’ve just got a couple of 75wh BPU batteries, the run time in my quick test yesterday of just camera and EVF powered on was just a hair short of 90mins
You can fix the rolling shutter with the gyro image stabilization in resolve. just add the effect and bring it down to 0. cleans up the rolling shutter a ton. ( just remember to put in camera/lens settings while your shooting.)
This is something I’ll be trying out, the other side of rolling shutter that I didn’t really get into here as it gets a bit too in depth is the motion cadence. As the rolling shutter will have an impact on the subject in shot as they move around the frame, even when the camera itself is locked off… and this aspect can’t really be corrected. It is subtle and one of those things that won’t really be felt until you can make the comparison or if you’ve shot film/global shutter a lot. (This is more a general response that specifically as your good self, as I’m sure some of this is stuff you’re already familiar with 🙌)
@@Dale_Campbell This. I have this with my bmpcc6k too. I hate this cam know😅 really wanna get rid of it. There are great cams out there now, which doesnt have these problems and bring the same, when not better looking pictures, without riggin.
@@danabeldp this was SSD as I didn’t have a chance to get enough CF express B cards and a reader prior to the shoot. But I’ve got some now so will be aiming to do that as much as possible for neatness!
This sensor is probably maxed out as far as frame rates and IQ so I would expect the next Pyxis will have and different sensor. Everytime Blackmagic comes out with a new body it is quickly followed by another better one within a few months to address limitation they had with the previous model. Internal NDs, swappable mount, new sensor based on the Ursa Cine line, higher frame rates, better rolling shutter and auto AF are some of the options likely to appear.
That all sounds like stuff that would appear on a much higher end or non-cinema camera. BM do not have AF patent tech - that is not going to happen. There wasn't that much difference between the 6K & 6K pro. It will almost certainly be the same sensor, as BM could make a tonn of money selling a pro with just internal NDs & port & mount upgrades, just like they did with 6K pro.
I don’t disagree in so far as there will be another camera that makes use of the new body. But that said it did take a while to get from the URSA 4.6k to the URSA pro G1 which brought the internal NDs etc. currently I’m not too concerned about the mount, as it is possible to adapt out to most things. Auto focus is a tricky one as other companies have years of R&D and now we have viable cost effective alternatives coming in the for of various LiDar systems… I’ll be surprised if Blackmagic go this route, unless they get collab with someone or acquisition.
@@teilovellacott7702 PD movie live air 3 - it is the model with lower torque to avoid putting too much strain on the old lenses! Also has a LiDar feature 👍🏼
@@Dale_Campbell is that what the boxy image called? I kinda have that earlier when I mistakenly imported 4k into a 1080 timeline, then after importing changed the timeline reso to 4k and on deliver page 4k too.
wow ! monstrosity of a build... footage looks like prores raw from s5iix converted to rec709... highlight roll off is very much video like ...weak contrast and harsh shadows ...disappointing really as I was hoping to jump the ship but seems like c80 or komodox is the next step... unfortunately anything under £3k looks like broadcast safe rec709... even fx3 has a beautiful organic contrast and amazing roll off...
I mean, what you’re talking about is more on the colorist than the camera itself. If you’re looking for more cinema style Cammackey is a channel you might want to check out or Kofi.
Nice breakdown and glad the Pyxis delivered! Looking forward to take mine more shoots asap. I'm so hungry after watching this haha!!
@@OfTwoLands Thanks! Yeah the catering on every shoot is going to pale in comparison to this for me now 🤤
Enjoyed the thorough breakdown. Great stuff as always - thank you!
@@jeremeyshelton thanks Jeremey!
that footage is looking NICE - thank you for sharing!
@@KatelynAbreu 🙌
I am glad to hear that you had a good shoot and that the Pyxis delivered. Thanks for the good info.
Could not agree more about image quality, this is why I am still using the Panasonic Varicam 35. :)
Looking good!
@@redumbrella4218 thanks!
Using canon FD glass here, I have a whole set but for this shoot was mostly 85mm and some 50mm.
I own the Canon 50mm FD 1.8 and I love it! Mine is 1980’s build. The insight you shared in this video is fresh air from all of the PYXIS unboxing and first impressions.
@@-austinsmith thanks, guilty of an unboxing myself 😬
The FDs are so much fun to use, on the look out for some wider lenses to add to the set 🙌
@@Dale_Campbell it’s not your fault, I think unboxing as a whole has trickled out on YT.
Wow, this was a great, real-world use review. Specs are always important, but hearing about someone's actual USE of the camera is insightful. Thanks for going into so much detail.
I have edited a little bit of BRAW footage, but none that required noise reduction. How do you think the CPU friendly BRAW footage with noise reduction is compares to other RAW footage, and even non-RAW footage?
FWIW, none of my clients currently accept BRAW footage, so I'm hoping Blackmagic will opt to add ProRes in the future.
@@davidp158 evening David, thanks!
For a bit more detail on the noise reduction, it is a bit of a taste thing. And stems somewhat from comparing raw footage to other codecs that have had more processing applied at the point of capture in camera. Which can often involve an element of noise reduction.
So to get to that level with raw footage some gentle noise reduction can be applied. This usually doesn’t slow down my Mac noticeably, unless I’m using it heavily or using the more advanced noise reduction options.
Having said that a lot of the time I just roll with the texture if it works for the image and isn’t objectively ’bad’.
Also I wouldn't hold out too much hope for prores unfortunately. Not many of the recent cameras have supported it, but I believe the video assists still do so that could be an option giving you a monitor and prores....
Love this breakdown. Subscribed! Thanks Dale.
Thanks 🙏
Fantastic review!
@@TheContentShak thanks 😁
Hello, thanks for your reviews. However there huge compresion artifact like you exported on low bitrate H264 or H265. looks soft and with a lot of compression artifact. IDK if you can fix that, that would be lovely. Regards
Nice review dude thanks for showing some real world client footage, good to meet you at IBC! :)
Hey likewise! Still hope to make it over to Korea sometime (south) 🙌
This is BRILLIANT. Earned a subscribe.
Glad you enjoyed it 🙌
Thanks for sharing your experience Dale. The orientation of those ports does seem to be a bit of a miss. Given the power consumption, v-mount seems to be more the way to go - going for a huge BPU battery, I'd worry about snapping the battery mount tabs as there's a lot of leverage from the battery if you knock it. Maybe it's built solidly enough though?
@@alzibaba I’ve just picked up some 75wh BPU batteries and will be giving them a trial run this week. I know what you mean, but I figure this is a mount and battery type that has been around a while. So it is probably fine…
Thanks Dale for sharing your experience in such detail, you are providing good educational content to many people starting with Pyxis and Black magic. I wonder if it would have been better to shot on 6K (full res of the sensor) and just edit on a 4K timeline. The image is better when you shot in 6K and you get more detail, dynamic range and less noise. And Davinci can handle the downscaling from 6K to 4K flawlessly in real time (also you can use proxies if your computer is not powerful enough). By shooting in 6K FF you also make better use of the full resolution of the optics of the Canon FD lenses. I really see no point in shooting in 4K just to match the less performing B cam. It should always be the other way around: the B cam should adapt to the A cam requirements. JMHO
@@phrasalsyntax thanks!
The choice to shoot at the 4k DCI was down to data. In an ideal world I’d have shot at the full gate (or a closer crop) and a lower compression ratio. But that would have generated substantially more data.
Sometimes these considerations win out, but I’ll be shooting some other things that explore the full gate and different compression settings over the next few weeks 🙌
Any review on the cineview master ? How do you like it ? .
Hey Xavier, I will have a review for the cineview Master on @diyphotography going live in a couple of weeks. Just got to test out a few more things, currently I’ve not used it with the receiver unit. Just working with the director iOS connection and iOS wireless so far.
Mind you from what I’ve seen so far this is a really solid unit and the latency is just untouched outside of way more expensive systems!
Tilta made a V mount extension plate that directly connects to the Zcam. Because first cameras had the flush at the back as well. Now the new Zcam line is off tilt . I don’t know if the same plate will actually work for black magic pix. It be interesting to see if it would or if Tilta will come out with a solution.
@@sprocketslip4564 curious to see how the accessories start rolling out from the likes of Tilta etc.
Great review. Thanks.
Thanks 🙌
Sry, 4:07 how is the phone recieving the image? :)
@@Mastersh1t hey, I was using the Accsoon Cineview Master 4k. It was taking the Sdi out from the PYXIS and then you have the option of a wired connection to an iOS device or wireless
Could you do a battery life test of large bp-u battery? Like 90 or 100w?
@@mikolajjordan I’ve just got a couple of 75wh BPU batteries, the run time in my quick test yesterday of just camera and EVF powered on was just a hair short of 90mins
You can fix the rolling shutter with the gyro image stabilization in resolve. just add the effect and bring it down to 0. cleans up the rolling shutter a ton. ( just remember to put in camera/lens settings while your shooting.)
This is something I’ll be trying out, the other side of rolling shutter that I didn’t really get into here as it gets a bit too in depth is the motion cadence. As the rolling shutter will have an impact on the subject in shot as they move around the frame, even when the camera itself is locked off… and this aspect can’t really be corrected. It is subtle and one of those things that won’t really be felt until you can make the comparison or if you’ve shot film/global shutter a lot.
(This is more a general response that specifically as your good self, as I’m sure some of this is stuff you’re already familiar with 🙌)
@@Dale_Campbell This. I have this with my bmpcc6k too. I hate this cam know😅 really wanna get rid of it. There are great cams out there now, which doesnt have these problems and bring the same, when not better looking pictures, without riggin.
@@jameshaesslon this said I haven’t found it to be an issue yet 😬
What media are you shooting on?
@@danabeldp this was SSD as I didn’t have a chance to get enough CF express B cards and a reader prior to the shoot. But I’ve got some now so will be aiming to do that as much as possible for neatness!
@@Dale_Campbell nice! Which brand did you decide to go with?
@@danabeldp Integral as there was a good deal on for a 500gb (ish) cards
And what lights used? Grazie !
@@teilovellacott7702 for this I had a selection of Zhiyun LED fixtures. 2 x G300, 1 x B500, 2 x X60RGB, 1 x Cinepeer C100
This sensor is probably maxed out as far as frame rates and IQ so I would expect the next Pyxis will have and different sensor. Everytime Blackmagic comes out with a new body it is quickly followed by another better one within a few months to address limitation they had with the previous model. Internal NDs, swappable mount, new sensor based on the Ursa Cine line, higher frame rates, better rolling shutter and auto AF are some of the options likely to appear.
That all sounds like stuff that would appear on a much higher end or non-cinema camera.
BM do not have AF patent tech - that is not going to happen.
There wasn't that much difference between the 6K & 6K pro.
It will almost certainly be the same sensor, as BM could make a tonn of money selling a pro with just internal NDs & port & mount upgrades, just like they did with 6K pro.
I don’t disagree in so far as there will be another camera that makes use of the new body. But that said it did take a while to get from the URSA 4.6k to the URSA pro G1 which brought the internal NDs etc.
currently I’m not too concerned about the mount, as it is possible to adapt out to most things.
Auto focus is a tricky one as other companies have years of R&D and now we have viable cost effective alternatives coming in the for of various LiDar systems… I’ll be surprised if Blackmagic go this route, unless they get collab with someone or acquisition.
@@hivetech4903 BMD did admit that they have the tech to implement AF but have decided not implement it at this stage.
@@Dale_Campbell The UM4.6k OG was delayed but soon after shipping the UM Pro G1 was released for the same price.
Get the smallrig 99 V mount batteries. It’s small and last long
It’s a good shout 👍🏼
Very nice pictures!
Many thanks!
Man thank you so much. After i watch this video I'm definitely not buying this camera and never use this fd lenses
@@dincerorucoglu9299 cool have fun 🙌
looks to be good enough
Yep, and the form factor was nice to work with. Off to Adobe Max this week and will be shooting some bits with a much more nimble rig!
Could you please make a video to teach noobs like me how to rig up a camera like this? I'm new to videography and that would be very appreciated
🙌
Nice 👆🏻 what is ur follow focus?
@@teilovellacott7702 PD movie live air 3 - it is the model with lower torque to avoid putting too much strain on the old lenses! Also has a LiDar feature 👍🏼
well done
@@valenciosmall1683 🙌😁
you have some crosshatch at 0:37
Cross hatching hatch? That is the super 16 sensor crop for slowmo in
@@Dale_Campbell is that what the boxy image called? I kinda have that earlier when I mistakenly imported 4k into a 1080 timeline, then after importing changed the timeline reso to 4k and on deliver page 4k too.
looks not great on my screen..not sure why. I mean its ok I guess.lots of noise
Almost as good as the S5II X 😂😂😂😬
These new BM cameras don’t suffer from IR pollution
@@PyxisCinema had to take a punt to be sure, that said the Hoya pro nds are solid regardless 🙌
wow ! monstrosity of a build... footage looks like prores raw from s5iix converted to rec709... highlight roll off is very much video like ...weak contrast and harsh shadows ...disappointing really as I was hoping to jump the ship but seems like c80 or komodox is the next step... unfortunately anything under £3k looks like broadcast safe rec709... even fx3 has a beautiful organic contrast and amazing roll off...
Lol shut up
Of course this is the way this footage was graded, any pro colorist can make braw look fantastic.
I mean, what you’re talking about is more on the colorist than the camera itself. If you’re looking for more cinema style Cammackey is a channel you might want to check out or Kofi.
😅 as said for the most part this is just the standard look within the colour managed workflow as a baseline, maybe with some primaries 🙌
@@teamboaz3466 graded 😂😂😂 this is rec709 simpleton... and it sucks for what it is !