5800X3D or 7800X3D - Which One Is Right For You?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- If you have a 5800X3D should you upgrade to a 7800X3D? In this video, the next in our "Ultimate PC Component Fighting Championship" battle series, we are going to find out. Our UpcFC series is focused on helping you make the tough choices when building your dream PC. Choices like should I buy CPU X or CPU Y, should I buy GPU X or GPU Y, should I use an air cooler or AIO, these are all profound life changing questions that we take very seriously here at Blackbird PC Tech. In this series we are going to help you make the right choice by pitting two components against each other in the PC octagon to see who wins. For this video our focus will be on AMD’s top gaming CPU’s, with the Ryzen 7 5800X3D in the red corner taking on the Ryzen 7 7800X3D in the blue corner.
In addition to showing you benchmarks across 16 games at 3 different resolutions, I am also going to show you:
1. How to solve a nasty issue that prevented me from booting my PC into Windows, and
2. An amazing tool that will automatically optimize the performance of your Zen 3 or 4 CPU
Remember, it's not rocket science, it's Lego … my goal is to help you make the right component choices and put them together the right way, every time.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:21 Video Focus & Bonus Elements
00:51 Critical Boot Issue Explanation & Resolution
03:19 Test Setup & Methodology
06:20 Benchmarks featuring Bruce Buffer
08:21 Project Hydra AMD Overclocking Tool
10:05 Who Is The Winner & Why?
12:17 Wrap-Up
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Awesome comparison and recommendation. I found your troubleshooting portion particularly helpful. I'll keep this sort of thing in mind during future builds.
Thanks, I need to do more of that ... when I face an issue I am sure many others would benefit if I share it and discuss how I was able to solve it ... but how crazy was that, a USB cable preventing a system from booting.
@@blackbirdpctech It is crazy. I've never heard of such a thing. I filed it away in my brain bc I'd never think there would be a problem at the USB header without a splitter. Well played!
small things like that stick with you, if everyone was paying attention that one tip could translate over time into saving who knows how many people hundreds of dollars! Liked and subscribed!
Dont upgrade from an 5800x3d to an am5 platform right now, just ride the zen4 generation out. There is no need.
I think at this point it’s worth waiting for next gen AMD chips to arrive.
Happy I stayed at am4. Had my 5800x / 3060 ti build for a couple years now but about to get a 5700x3d without paying for a new mobo and ram, also a 4070 super is gonna be there soon to
@@gunslinga7077nice combo
It's all about what's important to you. If you could get a few bucks for your AM4 setup to offset the costs of upgrading to AM5, it could be worth it for anyone. The AM5 platform will support all 7000 and 9000 series AMD processors at a minimum.
Well, jumped from the 5600x to 7800x3d and I did that for a small price upgrade... So I'm totally fine!
I just bumped my 3600XT to a 5800X3D and it’s amazing. I play CS2 mostly and went from 180-200 fps all the way to 400+. Didn’t expect that much of an uplift but am stoked.
That’s a big performance boost, congrats!
Having the 5800X3D I can concur on waiting for ZEN 5. I'm waiting patiently to see what AMD has coming around the bend. Thanks for the comparison Blackbird!
You are very welcome, thanks for watching!
As someone who was thinking of upgrading to AM5 from my 5800x3d it's great to see that there are hardly any gains at 4k (the resolution that I play at), thank you for doing this comparison.
You are very welcome and I’m glad I was able to help you. The 5800x3d is still a great chip and doesn’t skip a beat, especially at 4k.
The troubleshooting section was very useful with good advice. A great addition to the video. Cheers
Thank you for watching and the feedback, this was such a crazy issue with such a simple solution … will add more of these to my content in the future.
I remember when the 5800x3d was released people were shitting there pants with the performance of it. And than am5 and ddr5 was announced, I knew it wasn’t gonna be worth all the extra $. My brother is just getting a pc and he’s even staying at am4 with the 5800x3d it’s a legendary socket
It is a great chip … I think we will all feel the same way with AM5 as it matures too … hopefully we get a few more generations on it.
so proud of having the 5800X3D! No need a 7800X3D playing at 4k@120Hz/120 FPS!
It was and still is a great chip!
Good luck on the growth. This channel has tons of potential
Really appreciate that and thanks for watching!
Excellent video ! Thanks for all the hard work !
Thank you for watching and the positive feedback, very much appreciated.
It's actually pretty amazing, when you think about it, that a modern PC -- made up of various components from a host of manufacturers, running software from a host of providers, and assembled by an amateur -- ever works. But it does.
That is very true … the failure rate of components is actually extremely low … and the skill set of the person assembling it varies so much … it is crazy when you think about it.
1k subs milestone around the corner. Keep up the good work, glad I'm here before you make it big
Thank you and I’m glad you’re here too!
Really informative video , thank you , subscribed.
Thank you and welcome to the community!
great advice bud thanks
You are very welcome, thanks for watching!
Pretty good advice and polished production values. Me likey. Subbed!
Thank you, great to have you part of the community!
This is such an awesome video! Can't wait for your channel to explode to millions of subscribers🚀
Thank you!!
Congratulations on 1k subscribers! 😉
Thank you for being an early supporter of the channel, I very much appreciate it … super excited about the future!
Dam you got Bruce Buffer that’s awesome! 👏🏽 great review
Thanks ... yes, he was really awesome about doing it when I approached his team ... great guy.
Thats definitely an awesome gesture especially for up and comers.
Phenomenal work good sir, this certainly deserves a subscription💪🤓
Thank you and welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community!
@@blackbirdpctech you perfectly answered my questions about the upgrade. So I’ll keep the 5800X3D, and sand the xtx model as an upgrade from my msi 6900xt.
@@Alexander_Bahgheeraawesome, one piece of advice however is unless you are space constrained, I would get a sapphire 7900 xtx versus the reference card. The reference card looks great but sapphire has better cooling options in my opinion.
Just love how the 5800X3D still is a monster even without ddr5 rams.
So glad I bought mine on first release.
Waiting at least to AM6 before upgrading it. Went from a 3600X + 3070 to 5800X3D + 4080 and couldn’t be more happier playing at 1440p
It was a game changer when it was introduced and I was genuinely surprised how well it performed against the 7800X3D. Thanks for watching and the great comment.
New to the channel, great video especially like the detail and the separate graphic to show the 1% low data (subscribe button hit) . Please could you increase how long each benchmark is on screen by a couple of seconds, couldn’t quite hit pause quick enough on my IPad. When I upgraded to a 4090 I genuinely thought I might need to upgrade from my 5800x3d, however I’ve been really surprised at how well it keeps up. Me and my mate have almost identical systems except he has a 7800x3d. With 4090FE’s at 3440 x 1440p (using IceManIsaac’s settings) in COD we found a roughly 9% difference in average fps. I was hitting around 211 fps with the 5800x3d. My monitor maxes out at 175hz so I cap at that anyway and it rarely dips below that. I don’t think I’ll upgrade my platform now unless I upgrade to a 5090 (I really like using ray/path tracing in games like Alan Wake 2). Unless it makes a meaningful difference (min 30% uplift at 3440 x 1440p) I probably wait and upgrade my platform sometime before the 60 series release date.
Nice setup and I agree with your assessment. With respect to the charts I actually provide a downloadable PDF of all of my charts on my website for free (link is in the video description). If I keep them on screen longer people complain that the video is too long, so I figured this was a happy medium ... and it saves you time because you don't have to screen capture things. Thanks for watching and welcome to the community!!
Upgraded from a 3600 to a 5800X3D a little over a week ago. With a 3090 the difference between 1440p and especially 4K is at most negligible so I decided to stick with AM4. If I had access to the amazing bundles that MicroCenter offers I might've considered AM5, but the closest one is a 12 hour flight away... The plan is to wait at least for Zen5X3D discounts, possibly even Zen 6 before upgrading.
Thanks for the informative video.
That would be a huge uplift in performance, congrats. Thanks for watching!
One thing i have noticed, gaming feels basicly the same between 5800x3d and 7800x3d with both using 7900 xtx.
AM4 will be around for a long time with how good it is and continues to improve
The only thing I noticed was the 1% low increase, that was pretty consistent across games. I think when the next gen chips come out it might make sense because AM5 will be more mature, but the reality is if you are gaming at high resolution and settings the 5800x3d is more than enough.
There’s huge difference in games like new world which is mmo during wars 50v50. 5800x3d it’s worlds appart there from reaching the 7800x3d. I’m waiting for next cpu gen to see if they can actually not completely die in some of the mmos and buy one. My 5800x3d bows down to 35 fps there while my friends 7800x3d stays on 60+ fps
@@YordanHristooovit would be great if there was a built-in benchmark for cpu intensive games like this … let me know if you come across one because I would definitely like to add it to my benchmarks.
@@blackbirdpctech it would be great to find such a benchmark but I don’t think there’s one. For this game and its competitive wars I’ve optimised my x3d as far as I can and my windows performance also. Nothing it’s stock 😅 I think that’s the ultimate game to test cpus inside its wars. Every other game it’s giving cpus easy time
That's sick bro. I have the 7800x3d to. But I only have the 4070ti only. But it works good for me with 1440p and 165hz
Thanks ... the 4070 Ti is a great card, so no need to feel bad about that!
For those of us already having a 7700X we ask if you would put a 5800X3d vs 7700X, instead of jumping to a 7800X3d, putting to rest the idea that changing processors every year is a waste of time and looking forward to 9800X3d. By doing this we could invest in a 4K good monitor which by the way would still run 1080 ultra, 1440 ultra and 4K. Thinking like this will save us possibly another large chunk of money in Processors and or RAM while still at the same time we could keep our older 5000 series processors. One more thing I have a EVGA 3090 TI Ultra. It is far better than stock 3090 TI and can overclock very high on its own. Bringing another question. Should we just jump ship and run to a 7900XTX or RTX 4000 series, as what seems to be nothing more than hype by manufacturers tantalizing us to buy their latest GPU's.
And i have a ASRock 6900XT Formula OC well ventilated with additional fans blowing air directly to this GPU from the bottom.
I already asked to many questions, often I get asked the same questions, maybe just maybe help with one.
Great questions and no problem at all. In one of my earlier videos I tested a 7700X versus a 7800X3D. There are specific gaming titles, such as MS Flight Sim, that benefit greatly from the 3D V-Cache, but if you are not playing those games and you play at higher resolutions then there is not a meaningful jump in performance. If you currently have a 7700X I definitely wouldn't upgrade until the 9000 series comes along.
The 3090 Ti is a great card but it is really power hungry. If that isn't an issue for you and you are happy with your gaming performance I would wait. If the recent rumors are true then the new Intel Battlemage GPU's look like they may shake-up the industry with respect to pricing (4080 levels of performance at half the price), so waiting may allow you to get a lot more for your $ in the near future. I really don't think you are missing out on much with your current GPU.
Thanks for watching!
Mr. Hardware FLEX has entered the building!!!
I keep mine on the DL. My wife has no clue what she's looking at,
so I don't tell her what's in the case! She would flip if she knew the $$$ amount!
Great Video. Gettin close to the 1000 Mark! Keep it up.
These are secrets worth keeping … expert tip … start a RUclips channel so you can justify the purchase of high-end components as “business expenses” 😉
@@blackbirdpctech You Da Man!!!
@@blackbirdpctechsecrets worth keeping 😳
i have seen that the X3D chips usually give a pretty substantial boost in performance compared to the regular chips. I've currently got a 5800x paired with a 3070, which honestly works fine for me, although i ive had this combo for nearly 2.5 years. I am thinking of upgrading maybe to like a 7900XT or something, to get some better performance on 1440p, and some of the games I play tend to be more CPU intensive, like fortnite for example, and i think on my 5800x i will definitely be CPU bound in some scenarios, and would also want to upgrade my CPU with it but it would be pricey to have to get an AM5 motherboard and ram with the CPU.
but i feel like upgrading from a 5800x to a 5800x3D wouldnt be that worth an upgrade? seems weird to upgrade to just the 3D version of what i already have. not really sure what to do tbh. im honestly debating on just doing a PC overhaul this summer and just getting an 7800x3D and a 7900XT, it will be expensive but i'll have great futureproof having AM5 and with high end specs like that i could probably keep those parts for much longer than ive had my current setup for.
If I was you I would keep your current cpu until you are ready to upgrade to AM5. You could get your new gpu sooner and upgrade the rest of your system later. That might give you enough time to skip a generation and get a new 9000 series cpu later in the year.
Thanks for the video, i got 5800x3d with 7900xt, u think the performance difference is less between those cpu with a 7900xt instead 7900xtx?
Great question … a weaker gpu will place more burden on the cpu, so I would actually expect the differences to increase … likely not by much.
Yes, because if you have a weaker GPU your games will be GPU bound sooner, i.e. the CPU is waiting more for the GPU to process the frame. But it depends on the games you play, a simulation might use more CPU resources than a shooter.
can you also put an all game average for 1080p, 1440p and 4k not just the per game average? that would be really helpful. also like the concise style of your presentation.
All games average is at 10:33 ,😉
Great suggestion ... will add that for future videos!
I think they are asking for a 16 game average at 1080p and 1440p, not just at 4K ... it's a good idea and easy to add.
This is a sleeper gem of a channel mate. Keep up the good work!
Thank you … my channel is relatively new but I’m hoping to rapidly make an impact … really appreciate your support!
I used to have the policy that the more i spent on a cpu, the longer i would wait until an upgrade. I am thinking now of more frequent upgrades but selling the old tech. The pandemic/chip shortage made me extend the life of my daily driver, the i7-8700k.
The thing about CPU’s is that if you play at higher resolutions/settings you really don’t need to upgrade frequently, as you can see from the results in this video. I would upgrade your cpu every two generations of gpu … I think that’s a reasonable frequency for most people, but of course it all depends on budget.
Great video! What do you think of going from a 5600x to 5800x3d? I've been on the fence for awhile now about either doing that or going for a full system upgrade to AM5. Recently purchased a 4070 Ti Super which definitely feels like overkill with the 5600x.
I think it will be a meaningful upgrade but it depends on the resolution you play at, if you play at 4k then it might not make sense. Thanks for watching and the positive feedback!
@blackbirdpctech Mostly 1440p. Escape from Tarkov has been my jam lately, and from everything I've read it's more of a cpu-intensive game than gpu regardless of resolution.
@@TheRealMojthen yes, I think it’s an easy choice … if there is a lot of enemy AI in a game then it can be very cpu intensive.
@@blackbirdpctech Appreciate the responses!
@@blackbirdpctech I actually just ran out and bought the 5800x3d. Night and day difference! Fps drops far less in Tarkov than it used to.
I liked your video I too an AMD 580x3d, 7800x3d, a 7700X and others my test was Gigabyte X570s Aorus Master rev1 vs Gigabyte 670E Aorus Master both with 32GB of ran populated in ram slot 2 and 4. Both G.Skils Ripjaws DDR 4 4000 CL18 for the 5800X3D and DDR5 6000 CL36 for the 780X3d and just for fun I also ran the same test using an AMD 7700X
The results were close and it didn't matter which Processor I used because they were so close any one of these processors worked equally. I guess if I had DDR4 4600 and a lower clock speed the 5800X3D would be equal and or so close would wait at least several AMD Generations before I buy again as I should have.
Then you mentioned overclocking and I can answer that flat out by saying because it happens that I have the ultimate overclocking motherboard for any 5000 series processor it's a MSI MEG B550 UNIFY X. Now I was afraid to overclock and I hate taking chances but what the h**l since I never tried and I had this Motherboard since 2022 I did. What I found was a motherboard (set in the BOIS correctly (thank you Jays2Cents) could easily clock to 4700MGhz with either a Noctua D15 or any 240mm AIO. adding a 280 or 360mm AIO brought the processors to 5300MGhz using AMD 5900X. MSI MEG B550 UNIFY X made it easy. AS for any other motherboard it just was to complicated. I'm going to use a Ryzen 5700X next
Sadly, MSI X570 MEG or X670 MSI motherboards are not the same. but then again they have EXPO
Thanks for watching and sharing, sounds like you have a lot of experience with AMD chips.
I'm looking to build my first pc. The only game I'm interested in playing is MS Flight Simulator 2020. What would you recommend for a cpu, gpu, and motherboard? I'll also use the pc for word processing. Thanks.
The good news is the X3D chips are truly amazing in MS Flight Sim. To help answer your question, what is your budget and what resolution do you plan to play at?
@@blackbirdpctech I'll probably go with a 1440 and my budget is 2k - 2.5k.
For that budget you can build a pretty awesome machine (assuming those are US dollars?) ... the sweet spot for you I think would be getting a 4070Ti Super or 7900XT, combined with a 7800X3D. For motherboard I would go for either an MSI or Aorus (Gigabyte) X670e. There is so much you can do in that price range ... get a 32GB or 48GB kit of 6000 MT/s CL30 RAM. Storage, case, PSU and cooler would be the larger remaining items. Try using PC Partpicker to help you build it out ... happy to review it for you when you are done, just let me know.
@@blackbirdpctech Thank you very much. I've got a classic car I need to sell before I can begin the build so that my wife won't read me the riot act for spending too much money. I'll let you know when I get the ball rolling.
@@blackbirdpctech Here's a list of the build components I'm contemplating; Case - Fractal Design North mesh, CPU - Ryzen 7 7800X3D, GPU - Sapphire AMD Radeon Nitro 7900 XTX Vapor - X 24 GB, Corsair Dominator 32GB, CL30, Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive, Corsair HX1000i (2023) 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply, Fractal Design Celcius Dynamic or S36. Haven't looked at keyboard/mouse or monitor options. This will be my first build so hoping I have the skills to pull it off. Thanks.
Not a request but a thought. One game gaining traction "as it gains credibility & stability ironing out the Star Engine which when refined could be a game engine for creating other games on a scale as massive and seamless as it's own" with a player set who invests perhaps the most funds per player of any out there is Star Citizen. Somewhere around 750million invested thus far. I will note that $45 can get a player started and buy everything in the game but while they use fomo to buy in game ships and items it is not a requirement but some spend 5-50k on items they could earn in game.
Currently the guy doing the most "testing" will do cpu and gpu tests, mixing 1080 and 1440 results to show cherry picked comparisons with no tags or clarification when displaying results. It is quite infuriating to notice these things for myself and especially those lacking the knowledge to see this when they purchase items but don't see results to match what they were shown. Worth looking into since it is something I wouldn't exactly say it is niche, but results vary from patch to patch and for view counts it could be a great way to gain traction especially as they make the move from a dx11 base to vulcan.
That’s a really interesting idea … I will definitely look into it … really appreciate your comment.
Thank you for this. I’m just gonna get a 7900tx or 4080 super
I just completed testing a reference model 7900 xtx and 4080 super … video will be up next Thursday … both great cards but you might want to wait for that ... bottom line is buy whichever card is cheaper at the time you purchase. Thanks for watching!
What is best for VR? I have a 5800X3D and a 4070 Ti. I only play iRacing, and in VR, my PC struggles to push decent graphics in my Quest 3.
I'm not sure if that's a CPU or GPU limitation ... will have to test it and monitor the CPU/GPU usage to see what is limiting performance ... what resolution are you playing at?
@blackbirdpctech Not exactly sure what the resolution is? In the Oculus app I have it set to 72 Mhz/fps and Auto on (Resolution?)graphics quality. Thanks!
@@nicholasmarshall3191I’m pretty sure you are gpu bound … so switching CPU’s won’t make a big difference … better to upgrade your gpu
Great video and have a nice day... or night
Thank you for watching!!
What about if I have 5950x? would be a good option downgrade to the 5800x3d?
The 5950x is a great chip but the extra cores don’t really help it in games. That said I wouldn’t change to a 5800X3D unless you play a game like Microsoft Flight Simulator, which really loves X3D chips.
Hi
I cant decide which way to go to upgrade my pc. At the moment I have i7-8700 CPU, 32GB DDR4 CL15 RAM and RX6800XT GPU. I play mostly competitive games in 1440p.
My first option is to buy Ryzen 7 5700X3D CPU and Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite V2 motherboard. All others things Ill use from my current pc. This all costs 387 dollars in my country.
The second option is to go with AM5 and buy Ryzen 5 7600, ASRock B650 Pro RS and 32GB of DDR5 memory. All this will cost 626 dollars.
In total, for am5 I need to overpay about 40% and FPS at least with Ryzen 5 7600 is almost same. But in the future, in 3-4 years, I will be able to upgrade the processor to something else and bla bla bla.
Most people recommend me to go with AM5, but Im not sure that its a correct way according to my needs (competitive games).
Thank you in advance for response!
There is no right or wrong answer because it really does depend. However, if I was in your shoes I would go with a 5700X3D or 5800X3D ... you won't have an upgrade path in the future but by the time you need to upgrade this rig new motherboards will be available and the sweet spot for DDR5 RAM will likely increase, so you might as well just go all-in at that point. You could also invest your savings in a higher-end GPU as well ... that would likely deliver the biggest bang for your buck, but I would wait to see what is coming from Intel with Battlemage and Nvidia/AMD. Hope that helps.
What about if you get the motherboard, 7800x3d and 32gb of ddr5-6000 for 400?
Then that would be an obvious choice and a great deal!
Hi All , need some input so on a Msi B450 carbon AC and 2 x 16gb 3200MHZ ram and a Ryzen 2700x ,
Do i go 5800x3d Or do a AM5 and X670E ?
First make sure that the latest Bios update for your motherboard supports the 5800x3d. If it does then that will be a very quick and affordable way to get a large increase in performance. What GPU are you using?
@@blackbirdpctech it is supported i did check on the Msi B450 Carbon pro AC wifi , and im using a RTX 2060 SUPER only gaming at 1080P
I think a 5800x3d would be a great purchase, that will allow you to wait for the next gen AMD chips to be released before upgrading your entire system. Make sure however you get a good cooler because it does tend to run hot.
@@blackbirdpctech thanks for your input and yeah running a 360mm Corsair AIO at the moment so cooler should be perfect
Is the Project Hydra tool compatible with 5800h mobile CPU? Can we manipulate power limits in game; the chip is already locked down by AMD.
That’s a great question … I’ve never tried it with a 5800h, but if it’s hardware locked then it’s unlikely that any piece of software will be able to override that.
I do know that people buying this high end chips are likely to not turn down settings. But, there is the caveat of competitive gamers. I think including both graphically intensive and non graphically intensive games would have been nice. Otherwise good video.
Fair point … perhaps I can add multiple charts for mw3, with one at low settings to highlight this … will think about how best to do that moving forward. Open to suggestions. Appreciate your comment.
Through the tests the differences seemed to be very similar aside from a few spots that in 1080 the AM5 / 7800x3d picked up a larger gap in the highs but the lows seem fairly consistent. If you check the Mw3 results, these are both very fast cpus and going to competition settings on lesser games you would have either of them fps capped. If you have an am4 board already, the 5800x3d would get you by and maybe skip a generation. Depending on how competitive you are & frame needs, some lesser demanding games could outrun your monitor's refresh rate with a 5700x or 5800x non 3d lol.
@@Blindside337good summary … the 1% lows is where the 7800x3d really shines and it’s something most gamers will notice.
All comes down to price. Can you sell high and buy low? Cost me $173 to go from :
5800x3D
Asus x570 TUF
48gb 3200mhz c16
To:
7800x3D
Gigabyte x670 Aorus Elite AX (used)
Gskill Trident Z5 Neo CL30 6000mt 32gb
Thermalright Zen4 contact frame.
That’s impressive … it’s an easy decision at that price … great job!
@@blackbirdpctech not more impressive then the Bruce buffer addition to your video. Nice!
I also was given a 2nd x670 Aorus Elite AX for free in the deal. It had a little damage on the M2 heatsink threaded standoff on the motherboard. But it works fine with a 7600x/z5 Neo ram in a media pc. I wasn’t planning on building two but with the extra board I figured I just should use it instead of selling it because I couldn’t vouch for its functionality.
I don’t need the heatsink for the NVME drives as I don’t throw heavy tasks at them, only loading up of games.
Ha ha, yes he is an awesome guy and was great when I approached his team about doing this for me.
I need to start getting you to hunt for deals for me 😉
I currently have an i59400f and considering going 7800x3d
That would be a huge upgrade … you will not regret it.
@@blackbirdpctech I’ll be picking them up for a steal still in the box from somebody who apparently doesn’t want to figure out how to put it together so they just ordered a prebuilt
Even better, that’s a no brainer … what gpu are you going to pair it with?
@@blackbirdpctech they already have the 7800xt and I currently have a rx580 so I’m just going to put together what they have an run it
@@johnasosajr that’s a great card … I compared it to a 4070 super recently … it performed really well.
ill be waiting for something like a 9800x3D at this point. Maybe a 8800x3D when I get a 5080? Currently running a 3080, 5800x3D and 32GB RAM which is doing me fine at 3440x1440p on every game I own and play.
You will definitely get more performance by investing in a gpu upgrade but just because amd/nvidia/intel push new products doesn’t mean we need them … I think that’s the thing I’m seeing as I test more extensively … the marketing doesn’t match the data.
@@blackbirdpctech I will upgrade when the 5000 series comes out or if I can get this 4080 off a friend for a good deal. More likely the 5000 series though as by then my 3080 would be around 4 years maybe 5 depending on when they release those and be wont be doing what I want it to.
@@lilpain1997smart plan.
I'm thinking about a 5700x3d upgrade from my 5600, it would give a decent performance upgrade.
Indeed it would ... I just got my hands on one and I was planning on comparing it to a 5800X3D, but lots of people have already done that ... perhaps showing how it would compare to something like a 3700x would be more helpful to people considering an upgrade.
i did that 2 days ago and i can tell u smoothness in games is on another level :D tho i got rx 6700xt so gained fps only in cpu heavy titles like warzone,fortnite but im pretty sure 0.1% lows are much higher . buttery smooth :D
@@gogaming5449it’s a fantastic cpu … enjoy!!
ty :D was wondering if we will get any benefit from undervolting 5700x3d since i got tower cooler and cpu dont pass 70c under full load, trying to find anything about that but theres nothing at the moment :( and what is best gpu u recomend for me to upgrade this year , i play at 1440p 165hz monitor @@blackbirdpctech
@@gogaming5449checkout my review of the 7800xt vs the 4070 Super … I think one of those cards would be a meaningful upgrade for you.
With the current price of the Ryzen 9 5900x being about $300 right now. It really should be included in videos next to the 5800x3d. One could argue the 5900x is the new value king for gaming.
I did that exact comparison in one of my earlier videos … the one titled “Is The 5800X3D Really Worth It?” I concluded that I should stick with the 5900x.
Is it worth upgrading from a 1700x to 5800x3d with a 1080ti?
I am playing on a 1440p 165hz Monitor😅
I haven't tested it with a 1080ti but that would be a huge upgrade ... you could upgrade the CPU and then upgrade the GPU later. If you decide to do that then make sure you update your motherboard bios before installing the new cpu.
no worth.. 5800x3d still so good and powerful.
Based on the data I would generally agree.
I have a 4090 and can say that the 7800X3D I got is a big step up from the 5800X3D for that GPU. If you have GPU lower than 7900 XT then it definitely will be diminishing returns. Of course, there's no problem in waiting because it's not like the 5800X3D is slow or being overwhelmed by games today.
I definitely notice the 1% low increase … what resolution/settings do you typically play at?
hard choice if you game at 4k because 5800x3d here is 414$ while 7800x3d is 499$ if i go 7800x3d i have the option to upgrade again in 3-4 years
That’s not a big difference … the thing is tough choices are good because that means both options have merit … you will need to add the cost of a motherboard and ram as well, but as you say then you will have upgrade options in the future.
crazy thing is 6000cl30 ram is now cheaper than 3200cl14 ram
Yes, that changed pretty rapidly … wasn’t too long ago that ddr5 was hard to get and way overpriced.
I have 5800x3d and 7900xtx B450tuf-gaming and 3000mhz ram (Maybe ram is slow 😢😂😂😂) I dont plan to upgrade now maybe when am6 is out 😂 btw I have only problems in 2 games one is GTA 5 (GPU loads drop offten and fps is low) and same in The last of us (maybe becouse is torent dowload game ) 😂
The good news is that ram speed doesn’t matter as much with X3D chips … you should be good for a while 👍
I'm running 5800x 3d with a 4080 super @ 1440p. no bottlenecking whatsoever. over 200 fps in most titles.
Great combination!!
You would obviously be getting more FPS with a 7800X3D or even a 14700k.
@stardomplays1386 and I would have to upgrade my motherboard and ram 😂😂. Why would I do that for 10 extra fps lol.
Whenever you do a CPU comparison you need to use the fastest GPU on the market.
As I explained in my video I used the fastest GPU that would fit inside my AM4 test platform. That said, please explain with specific examples of how any of the recommendations made in this video would be different with a 4090.
I had a 5800x3d with my 6950 XT but upgraded to a 5900x but I regret upgrading to a 5900x and should have stayed with the 5800x3d alone with my 6950 XT.
I did one of my earlier videos going the other way, from a 5900x to 5800x3d … the x3d chips are amazing in games.
@@blackbirdpctech This is why I’m thinking about either downgrading to the 5800x3d or waiting until AMD 9000X3d chips come out.
At this point unless you are gaming at 1080p I would wait … but just remember the 9800x3d will not come out straight away so you might be waiting a while … if it’s really bothering you then a 7800x3d upgrade might make sense … you can then upgrade to the 9800x3d next year.
@@blackbirdpctech Ya thanks for the suggestion
there is gains but are you seeing massive gains NO. .i have both the 5800x3d and 7800x3d and used both on a 7900xtx and there is gains ..
I think the question is if you got AM4 and want a 5800x3d or do you want to move to the new platform ..My honest opinion is dont waste money on AM4 if building new buy AM5 but if you have AM4 and want a boost with out the cost of a new platform slap a 5800x3d in your AM4 platform and happy gaming !!
I think that's a great way to look at it ... I don't think it's worth it to upgrade but buying new I would definitely go AM5.
Im on a 4080 Super and 3800x lmao. I could use a upgrade
The 5800x3d would be perfect for you … just make sure to update your bios before upgrading.
No esport titles?
If you have one to recommend that has a built-in benchmark so that it can be repeated consistently then I am happy to add it to the benchmark suite.
Why run into stability issue with Ryzen 7000 because these processor already run at pretty much best out of box, I test for hours with friend who also buy 7950x, 7700x and my 7950x and all we can do is -1 curve which not worth trouble. I start from -30, in some application no problem some game no problem but some application and game crash because unstable. I start -30 and end up at -1 and -3 on one core which not worth time put to test, I see utuber do -30 but this for sure not stable unless AMD give reviewer extreme bin chips. i set PBO TJMax 85*c and my 7950x hit 5.2ghz all core with 5.4ghz single core I get 38k Cinebench score, I test this for many many hours and find not worth rouble to do. I do these test on many different bios revision, when new release drop I test again but I give up because as I say not worth time.
That’s the value of Hydra, instead of spending all of that time trying to tune it yourself you could have gotten an answer much faster. Thanks for sharing your experience.
@@blackbirdpctech I not say Hydra bad I simply say it not worth time even to use hydra. This good this tool exist I agree I would find answer faster but I do test myself find answer learn lesson. Lesson lived is lesson learned.
Thank you for video, I sorry bad English I speak other languages I start learn English few month ago.
@@pituguli5816 no need to apologize, your English is actually pretty damn good considering you only just started learning it.
@@blackbirdpctech Thank you I appreciate you're kind words.
Going to keep my 5800x3d and AM4 platform for a while yet. Until it bottlenecks me at 4k
Good move, I think it will be a while before it does that ... check out my video on bottlenecks ... not something you should worry much about anyway 😉
@@blackbirdpctech Cheers! same goes for my 6950xt. I will wait for RDNA 5. Or until the next console generation, then I usually upgrade to either be on par with the next console generation or surpass. They set the standard for me.
AM4 5800x3D is 33.5% cheaper but also 33.5% less performance than AM5 7800x3D = wait for AM6 instead?
Not sure I understand your comment … where do you see that it’s 33.5% less performance?
On the game Marvel Guardians of Galaxy. For people do not have any DDR4 ram on their computer going all in 7800x3D is wise choice? All others wait for AM6?
I got you … yes, if you have a 5800x3d then I would wait however if you are buying new I would get a 7800x3d … I think buying new is an easier choice especially given that ddr5 prices are much lower now and there is a wide selection if AM5 motherboards.
My 5800X3D will last me at least another year or two, I don't upgrade until it doesn't do what I need it to do.
Great attitude!!
me who upgraded from an i5-7600k to an 7800x 3D. O.O
one day my hdmi cable that was connected to my monitor was loose. Meanwhile im thinking something is wrong with my system because i had recently boxed it up and moved it to various places
That is an amazing upgrade … you must really notice one hell of a difference … what gpu are you pairing it with?
Ironically it’s the little things that kill you and cause the most frustration.
thinking either 4070 super or 7900xtx. Making audio upgrades before i change gpu. Still using my 1070. Gonna upgrade before dragons dogma 2@@blackbirdpctech
I just reviewed both cards … the 7900 xtx is a higher tier, so if you can get your hands on one then definitely do it. The 4070S is a great card and beats the 7800 xt.
no point to pay $400 at 4k just to say your on AM5 skip it until next gen
I think that’s wise advice.
No
Short, simple and to the point 😉
I'll holdin in my 5800X3D, and skip this generation and also probably the next one too
The good thing is when you do decide to upgrade to AM5 the platform will be really mature, so you won't have any early adopter issues.
AM4 is a dead platform no reason to stay on it while AM5 you have at least 2 to 3 more cycles of cpu upgrade left in its life
Very true but at this point if you are happy with the performance in the games you play then why not wait for 8000 series?
@@blackbirdpctech You mean zen 5 9000 series? 8000 series is already out like the 8700G which is inferior to the 7000 series. Amd will be using 9000 naming on their zen 5 processors that would be a better upgrade of course from 5800X3D
@@G1Gaming85yes, I meant why not wait for the 9800x3d … I understand that they released APU’s … still not really sure why they do that with naming convention.
Good luck on the channel you have a lot of potential I hope that you reach 100k very soon I am a big fan of you bro I love your videos very much bro I heard that you gave away a Graphics card to your subscriber that was soo nice of you ,you also helped me so much in learning about pcs and their components I am also trying to build a pc but I dont have money to buy the gpu or the cpu or the power supply but I was able to save enough money for other components and I am not sure if I would be able to buy the cpu,gpu and power supply if I can't afford them I cant go further in my youtube channel because I can't upload gaming videos and I also made a list of the parts for my pc so can you please 🥺🥺🥺 🥺 rate it pls pls pls 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
My PC Specifications are
Cpu:- Ryzen 7 5800X
Gpu:-RX 7800XT
Motherboard:- Gigabyte B550M AORUS ELITE
Ram:- G.Skill Trident Z 32GB DDR4 3600mhz Ram
SSD:-Crucial P3 1 TB PCle 3.0 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD upto 3500mb/s (I actually saved enough money for two of these because I wanted 2 gb storage)
PC Cabinet:- Galax PC Revolution 5
CPU Cooler:- Cooler Master Hyper Spectrum V3 CPU Cooler
Power Supply:- Cooler Master G800 80+ Gold Non Modular 800 Watt Power Supply
I think it's specifications are good enough for me
Thank you, I really appreciate your comments. Your PC looks great … I’m not familiar with the case but I will look it up. Over time you can add storage, so that’s easy. Great job putting this together, good luck my friend!
I still didn't build it bro