My favourite thing about Roald Dahl is the account of his days as a spy during WWII. He was rumoured to be partial inspiration for the character of James Bond, which may have a ring of truth to it considering he was a member of the same spy ring (the "Irregulars") as Ian Fleming. His speciality? Seduction. Women went wild for the guy. After an encounter with one particularly horny American socialite, he is said to have reported back; "I'm all fucked out! That goddamn woman has screwed me from one end of the room to the other, for three goddamn nights!" The response he got was basically "Do it for England, Roald."
Him and Christopher Lee. On the set of The Lord of the rings Peter Jackson asked him to react more dramatically when Saruman gets stabbed. Christopher Lee's response: I've seen it first hand,this is how a person reacts when they get stabbed.
I can't disagree with your assessment though I've never seen the similarity before. Now that you mention it he did seem like he was building neverland ranch when he said Charlie's family couldn't come with.
I love when Mike Teevee starts going to the transporter and Willy Wonka just deadpan goes "Stop, don't, come back" and you can read that as either him telling Mike to actually come back or telling him to not come back
@@hourglas I agree with this idea the most. You could literally tell Johnny Depp's Wonka didn't like Mike from the very beginning. When the five children first enter the facility, Mike is the only one whom Wonka addresses by name, adding, "You're the little devil who cracked the system." That Wonka didn't want Mike above all of them to win because he knew his factory would die under Mike's control, but he also knew that he had to let the children take themselves out with their own greed, hubris or whatever. Still that deadpan reading of the line makes me laugh everything I watch it 🤣😂
I'm going to say, nah. There's no way you can read that as anything but sarcastic. Not just from the meme of it, but even having watched it semi-recently, there's no serious interpretation of that. And that's not me trying to malign the idea of the video, in that Wilder made it so Wonka couldn't be for sure seen as serious or sarcastic, but rather that that line being unmitigatedly sarcastic helps sell the rest of the movie, since the one line you can tell he's being sarcastic is delivered in such a way to draw the rest of the movie into doubt, in both ways. It's deadpan enough that you don't know that the rest of his deadpan deliveries weren't sarcastic, but it's sarcastic enough that you can see a difference between the sarcasm and his other lines.
I like to think of that as him going... Ok, i'm supposed to say this, but I don't believe he will listen. So: stop. don't. come back........ .... .... Good riddance.....
The one thing I appreciate about the new Willy Wonka was that if they weren't going to retain the "can't trust" ambiguity factor, at least they had the guts to decide that they were going to pick the serial killer lane for a modern children's film.
That's probably the main reason I liked it. Willy Wonka is a veritable recluse, so Gene Wilder's portrayal was way too normal. Sure, he had those moments where he was being mischievous, but the Johnny Depp version just made him the socially awkward psychopath he was always meant to be.
once I was zapping and there was a Charly and the chocolate factory song scene, but it was one of those bad parody movies from the 2000s, and he fucking took a kid balls and made it candy??? that had me traumatized for a while
If you take the theory of "snowpiercer is a sequel to the chocolate factory movies" as possibly true, then it makes the dark undertones that much better.
@@drt1605 After browsing the web and searching all kinds of different terms, I can only find various articles and posts written about the theory. Nothing regarding the creator or any of the people involved in Snowpiercer admitting it is canon. I can't even find an instance of them acknowledging the theory. I'd like to see this source too if anybody does find it.
@@MaXiUmImPuLsE basically. The timeline is WW and the chocolate factory, then Charlie and the chocolate factory (theory says this movie is from charlies perspective, while the origional is from Wonka's) And finally snowpiercer, with the Conductor being a very old charlie. the two biggest hints to the theory is the fancy C's you see all over the train (like a Wonka W), and what the conductor says about repairs, mostly needing child-sized workers.
@@graywolfdracon . It's a parody version of one of the songs Gene sings in the movie. Learned it something like 30 years ago. It's possible it was used there too, tho. IDK
I just realized the book was written in the 60s and osha wasn't founded until the 70s so there are technically no osha violations in the chocolate factory.
@@strider_hiryu850 ah yes its all coming together now, its just one spychic trip, there is nothing special with the factory at all and the oompa loompas are children.
Two thoughts: 1. My favorite argument for Willy Wonka being a sadist is the fact that the tour vehicles only have enough seats for the remaining kids and chaperones. He knew that someone was going to be picked off in each room. 2. I love the post discussion. Studios should stop remaking Ghostbusters and Robocop and instead do something like... the 27th worst movie of 1987.
I actually really like the Johnny Depp version, though there are a couple spots with a little tonal dissonance. Maybe itʼs because Iʼve read the book (though there were still differences and additions). The bit with him walking through a hall of international flags, depicted as if itʼs a montage of him traveling the world is hilarious, and Christopher Lee as Wonkaʼs father adds a mildly unsettling gravitas to Wonkaʼs past.
As a kid I never knew if those kids died. I felt bad...for a second, but quickly turned to "Fuck em. They were awful assholes." It kind of warped my perceptions from then on.
i loved how awkward the johnny depp one was, i can't remember watching the old willy wonka but i don't remember ever disliking charlie and the chocolate factory
The two adaptations are different, but they both have good qualities. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is more faithful to the book than Willy Wonka... and the songs are wildly entertaining, but Gene Wilder’s portrayal is perhaps less sympathetic and more purposefully creepy. Remake Mike Teevee is much more despicable than original Mike Teevee and the other children’s personalities are a bit more fleshed out so you actively detest them rather than feel horrified that an irritating child might have just been killed/harmed.
@@ew6483 I disagree, I think the johnny depp one was way more overtly creepy, just in a different way. Like, Time Burton really laid the weirdness on thick
@@ew6483 another thing about burtons version is Roald Dahls wife was a big part of the movie making and writing process, if anyone knew what willy Wonka was supposed to be like it was her since Roald had already passed
When Karl said “we’re still recording this in 2020… …don’t know when it’s going up” and then I checked the time stamp and it said “16 minutes ago” Holy hell did I feel that one. It’s April 2021
I found the movie terrifying as a kid never watched it again and I looked back at 2019 and I finally see why I was so scared of it why didn't anyone else my age get that?
@@justinweber4977 there was Always something off when I would watch the movie maybe was the no trust thing for I was and still am just as weird as wanka but felt unsettling. Maybe I was seeing and hearing the sad stuff and didn't understand what unsettling ment. I found a lot of movies I thought where scary as a kid going back was not because I was a dumb scared kid. They just where that messed up but now I would say desterbed not scared
The oompa loompas were tiny orange men with green hair and white eyebrows who sang impromptu, unrehearsed songs in perfect unison. That shit was unnatural and terrifying.
Whoever’s reading this go to the wiki for Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, the book after the Chocolate Factory... it is a wild ride. People get killed by aliens.
I rather enjoyed the Depp version. They really dived into the fact that this was a factory with the giant spaces and cold dark steel. It has a different tone than the first movie. But also I found Wonka's introduction comedy gold so I might just be broken
Listen man, the Tim Burton Charlie and the chocolate factory was a damn work of art. It was creepy, weird, and surreal in all the best ways. It wasn't the Gene Wilder film by any means, but I don't think it was ever MEANT to be. I rewatched it recently expecting it to not have aged well (and we can argue back and forth about the appropriatness of the oompa loompas being pygmies, but I think it was pulled off with enough absurdity behind it to avoid being problematic), but it absolutely blew me away by being everything I never knew I wanted a willy wonka movie to be. It was a completely different interpretation of the story, in many ways unrecognizable from the tone of the first movie and original book, but it didn't suffer for that at all in my opinion. It was a movie that oozed and dripped Tim Burton from every nook, cranny and crevice, and it managed to turn this light and cheery story (even if Gene wilder infused some subtle weirdness into it) into something that felt WRONG in all the right ways, all without losing sight of itself. You can say whatever you like, but I think this version of Willy Wonka turned out exactly as it was supposed to, and it's still my favorite version of the movie.
The interesting thing about the oompa loompas for me was always the subversion of what could have been a slave allegory nightmare. They were asked, and agreed, to come work for Wonka, get paid well, have all the benefits of employment, and he lets them do whatever they want in the factory, within reasons. They can always leave too. (Also, them all just being Deep Roy is a stroke of genius.)
I couldn't agree more. I've read the book, watched the original Gene Wilder version and watched the Tim Burton version, and the latter is definitely more sound to my interpretation of the original text.
My memory of this movie has always been that it’s disturbing as fuck, I’ve actually never watched it again because I pretty much have no good memories of it.
For some reason, Charlie and Chocolate Factory really grew on me especially the soundtrack for the movie (and after finding out that the squirrels are mostly real in the Veruca Salt part of the movie)
I grew up with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but I watched Willy Wonka too. I know Willy Wonka had dark undertones, but compared to Charlie, it might as well be an episode of the Care Bears lollll. Charlie always really freaked me out as a kid, and Willy Wonka, while still kinda dark, isn’t anywhere near as dark as Charlie.
i never liked Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory as a child, but i've come to appreciate it more now because of how creepy it is. i have loved Charlie and the Chocolate Factory since it came out because i really like movies like Tim Burton's, where they simultaneously seem to take themselves way too seriously and not at all seriously
Years ago I saw a video analysis of the boat after Augustus went up the pipe. There's only enough room for 4 pairs of people, Wonka and the crew. Given the size of the boat there isn't enough room in the river for a larger boat, so there isn't the ability to have different sized boats for different numbers of passengers. Therefore, Wonka had to have planned for at least two people not to make it through the "Pure Imagination" room.
On the point of watching shows during the pandemic: I watched My Name Is Earl, an early 2000s comedy mind you, and always wondered why they don’t wear a mask in stores.
One 'kids film' that absolutely traumatised me as a kid is Caroline. That film fucked me up so much that if i was misbehaving when i was younger my mum would put it on and i would immediately listen to her. God i hate that movie.
The fake bar wasn't found in Argentina, but in Paraguay, which makes it a very specific South American joke. I don't know how much the person who wrote the joke knows about S.A. but Paraguay is a country where you can buy fake versions of everything. *Everything*, my dear foreigns. It is two jokes into one. Watching this film in Brazil has the additional fun of hearing "It was found in Paraguay" and just knowing it is fake before the Americans do. I wonder if it was on purpose.
One scene that I like from the remake that wasn't in the original is the scenes where everyone was leaving the building while being disfigured. I like it mostly because it's in the book but not in the original
How is it that when I watch these videos while there's uni work sat watching me piss away time, I end up doing that work before the end? Keep at it though, you're in my reference list for a master's level project
I watched one of your videos last night where you guys went on a drunken rant about the movie Real Steel. I remember enjoying the movie, but hadn't watched it in a while. So of course I proceeded to rewatch it. The scene at the fair made me nervous throughout the whole movie because they announced it was 2020, and everyone is sitting close together and shaking hands. This is made worse by the end of the movie during the fight with Zeus where it appears (guesstimate) that there about 10-20k people crammed in the stadium. They had no idea how different it would be only 9 years later.
There are a few exceptions to that remake rule. For example there are at least 4 versions of The Count of Monte Cristo that I can sit and watch back to back. Also good things can happen even if the remake isn't better than the original, Point Breaks remake about street racers instead of surfers spawned one of the biggest movie franchises of all time. Thank you for coming to my lecture.
Count of Monte Cristo I think illustrates a special case, because these aren't so much re-makes of a single movie but fresh adaptations of the original novel. With adaptation, there's a lot artistic leeway--what to preserve, what to discard, what if anything to add, how to portray your source material--that differing adaptations can have value even if other adaptations of the source material exist and are good films in their own right.
One of the only channels on youtube i still like. I swear as soon as channels get popular and make money the people change and it aggravates the balls off of me.
I went on a date for a tv show last month and they asked us not to mention the pandemic, so it was like “sorry I didn’t contact you for a year, I was ... busy?”
I hate how after Pirates Of The Carribean, every Johnny Depp performance seems to be channelling some famous celebrity instead of just trying to bring a character to life. His Willy Wonka felt like a Michael Jackson parody
I had the pleasure of meeting mr. Wilder at work a few times so I just love this video so much however if there was a rule at work we were never to mention Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory around him apparently it did used to annoy him because he did so many other movies and no one would ever mention any of them around him.
When you think about Mr. Salt's reaction, the movie becomes even more sinister. He laughs and says "the furnace! she'll be sizzled like a sausage." To which, Wonka replies nonchalantly, "not necessarily, she could be stuck just inside the tube." It is this casual response that brings the reality home for Mr. Salt, who dives down the tube after his daughter. Grandpa Joe snidely quips, "Mr. Salt finally got what he wanted... Veruca went first." To your point, you could easily read this entire film as either a pseudo-horror-comedy or a fun, whimsical romp through a chocolate factory, and all the lines in this scene work either way. This movie is perfect
"There's no earthly way of knowing Which direction we are going There's no knowing where we're rowing Or which way the river's flowing" "Is it raining, is it snowing? Is a hurricane a-blowing?" "Not a speck of light is showing So the danger must be growing Are the fires of Hell a-glowing? Is the grisly Reaper mowing?" 'Yes! The danger must be growing For the rowers keep on rowing And they're certainly not showing Any signs that they are slowing" Bloody adore this movie.
This is the kind of stuff my mom and dad used to do. .... Thinking back on it, they had quite a few pictures of working at a haunted house together before I was born. Both of them were extremely intelligent people who knew how to be wonka-ish, I suppose you could call it.
Watching your video was the first time I realised Roy Kinear was in the first movie (Verruca Salt’s dad) and David Kelly was in was in the remake (Charlie’s grandpa)... those two actors both starred in a dodgy UK sitcom I loved as a kid in the 80s called ‘Cowboys’ about shifty builders....
Yeah, its a child's horror film. There are some creepy, unsettling, and down right scary things in those movies. I know someone who can't watch the original film because the Oompa Loompas make her have panic attacks.
"You should watch this because it's okay" is the number one reason I've ignored most of music post 2001, especially after watching music reviewers justify certain artists because "their sound has slowly improved over time to the point that it's listenable".
Children's horror movie with a happy ending. That tunnel scene with the chanting and the bug crawling... is he evil Salt is she the reason why people use that word like that.
This has been my favorite movie since I was a kid. I have watched it dozens of times and every time I pick up new humor and darker sides to it. Excellent video
Its also really cool with that somersault because they didnt tell the actors who willy wonka was before hand or that he would be entering that way the confusion they show when he first comes out is totally real
I do like the Willi Wonka's & The Chocolate Factory because it's a good movie and Gene Wilder, but prefer the Johny Depp version because of how close the movie was to the books.
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory always creeped me out as a child, not sure why 💀 But if someone put it on, I always made myself scarce, cause I hated it so much 😂
As an adult I thought wonka was a murderer. He saw the vices of each of the kids in the news interviews and then set up ways to kill them using that vice/characteristic. You telling me the oompa lumpas can just improv the same song at the same time?
My favourite thing about Roald Dahl is the account of his days as a spy during WWII. He was rumoured to be partial inspiration for the character of James Bond, which may have a ring of truth to it considering he was a member of the same spy ring (the "Irregulars") as Ian Fleming. His speciality? Seduction. Women went wild for the guy.
After an encounter with one particularly horny American socialite, he is said to have reported back; "I'm all fucked out! That goddamn woman has screwed me from one end of the room to the other, for three goddamn nights!"
The response he got was basically "Do it for England, Roald."
I did not know any of that. Especially that the creator of james Bond & the creator of "James and The Giant Peach" were both ex-spies
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Him and Christopher Lee.
On the set of The Lord of the rings Peter Jackson asked him to react more dramatically when Saruman gets stabbed.
Christopher Lee's response: I've seen it first hand,this is how a person reacts when they get stabbed.
@@Chicklo11 "Do you know what sound a man makes when he is stabbed...?
...
I do."
Wilder’s Wonka quoted literature and had a maniacal edge to him like a James Bond villain. Depp’s Wonka was...Michael Jackson.
I can't disagree with your assessment though I've never seen the similarity before. Now that you mention it he did seem like he was building neverland ranch when he said Charlie's family couldn't come with.
Bruh 😂💀
It's funny because it's true. LoL
@@Gr3nadgr3gory But Depp's Wonka specifically brings the family along.
I say that all the time, Johnny Depp seemed way to Neverland rancy in that movie.
I love when Mike Teevee starts going to the transporter and Willy Wonka just deadpan goes "Stop, don't, come back" and you can read that as either him telling Mike to actually come back or telling him to not come back
I think by that point, he's given up. They're not gonna listen to him anyway.
I parsed that as him going through the motions because he knew the kid wouldn't listen anyway.
@@hourglas I agree with this idea the most. You could literally tell Johnny Depp's Wonka didn't like Mike from the very beginning.
When the five children first enter the facility, Mike is the only one whom Wonka addresses by name, adding, "You're the little devil who cracked the system."
That Wonka didn't want Mike above all of them to win because he knew his factory would die under Mike's control, but he also knew that he had to let the children take themselves out with their own greed, hubris or whatever. Still that deadpan reading of the line makes me laugh everything I watch it 🤣😂
I'm going to say, nah. There's no way you can read that as anything but sarcastic. Not just from the meme of it, but even having watched it semi-recently, there's no serious interpretation of that. And that's not me trying to malign the idea of the video, in that Wilder made it so Wonka couldn't be for sure seen as serious or sarcastic, but rather that that line being unmitigatedly sarcastic helps sell the rest of the movie, since the one line you can tell he's being sarcastic is delivered in such a way to draw the rest of the movie into doubt, in both ways. It's deadpan enough that you don't know that the rest of his deadpan deliveries weren't sarcastic, but it's sarcastic enough that you can see a difference between the sarcasm and his other lines.
I like to think of that as him going... Ok, i'm supposed to say this, but I don't believe he will listen. So: stop. don't. come back........
....
....
Good riddance.....
The cast thought gene wilder went crazy when the boat was spinning in the pure imagination scene
Tarantino ain't GOT NUTHIN on Wilder! He doesn't even need to be the director to get the reaction he needs XD
"The Wondrous Boatride" is not part of the "Pure Imagination" scene. At least not how soundtracks have it listed....
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The one thing I appreciate about the new Willy Wonka was that if they weren't going to retain the "can't trust" ambiguity factor, at least they had the guts to decide that they were going to pick the serial killer lane for a modern children's film.
That's probably the main reason I liked it. Willy Wonka is a veritable recluse, so Gene Wilder's portrayal was way too normal. Sure, he had those moments where he was being mischievous, but the Johnny Depp version just made him the socially awkward psychopath he was always meant to be.
As a kid I thought it was light horror. Because Willy Wonka was creepy.
once I was zapping and there was a Charly and the chocolate factory song scene, but it was one of those bad parody movies from the 2000s, and he fucking took a kid balls and made it candy??? that had me traumatized for a while
I appreciate that that’s one of those “you used the wrong equation but got the correct answer anyway” moments. Good on your sense of spooks.
Same, that's why I didn't like it as a kid
@@dasclef Epic movie. Its as bad as you remember it btw.
That tunnel scene really did it for me.
Veruca Salt dosen't get herself into a cartoonish predicament, she goes straight into the incinerator.
If you take the theory of "snowpiercer is a sequel to the chocolate factory movies" as possibly true, then it makes the dark undertones that much better.
Haha funny enough that theory is confirmed by the creator of Snowpiercer himself.
Edit: Sorry, no confirmation on this theory. Losing my mind.
@@lukemiranda8747 so its after Charlie and the chocolate factory?
@@drt1605 After browsing the web and searching all kinds of different terms, I can only find various articles and posts written about the theory. Nothing regarding the creator or any of the people involved in Snowpiercer admitting it is canon. I can't even find an instance of them acknowledging the theory. I'd like to see this source too if anybody does find it.
@@MaXiUmImPuLsE basically. The timeline is
WW and the chocolate factory,
then Charlie and the chocolate factory (theory says this movie is from charlies perspective, while the origional is from Wonka's)
And finally snowpiercer, with the Conductor being a very old charlie.
the two biggest hints to the theory is the fancy C's you see all over the train (like a Wonka W), and what the conductor says about repairs, mostly needing child-sized workers.
@@Steel_Prophet ah thanks I gotta re-watch snowpiercer it was a really good movie
< Sings > "Come With Me! And We'll Be! In a World of OSHA Violations!!"
Isn't that from Film Theory's video?
@@graywolfdracon . It's a parody version of one of the songs Gene sings in the movie. Learned it something like 30 years ago. It's possible it was used there too, tho. IDK
@@graywolfdracon its been a thing for a while, pretty sure Michael Bolton even sang it too
Lol
I just realized the book was written in the 60s and osha wasn't founded until the 70s so there are technically no osha violations in the chocolate factory.
"the pure imagination scene"
Ah yes, the LSD tunnel
@@strider_hiryu850 ah yes its all coming together now, its just one spychic trip, there is nothing special with the factory at all and the oompa loompas are children.
I distinctly remember being terrified of that scene
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@@MitchellMiranda nah thats the bright orange car with a 01 on it
Found the guy who hasn't done LSD
Two thoughts:
1. My favorite argument for Willy Wonka being a sadist is the fact that the tour vehicles only have enough seats for the remaining kids and chaperones. He knew that someone was going to be picked off in each room.
2. I love the post discussion. Studios should stop remaking Ghostbusters and Robocop and instead do something like... the 27th worst movie of 1987.
I never saw that first scene as "you can't trust willy wonka"
to me it was always "He likes joking around"
I actually really like the Johnny Depp version, though there are a couple spots with a little tonal dissonance. Maybe itʼs because Iʼve read the book (though there were still differences and additions). The bit with him walking through a hall of international flags, depicted as if itʼs a montage of him traveling the world is hilarious, and Christopher Lee as Wonkaʼs father adds a mildly unsettling gravitas to Wonkaʼs past.
As a kid I never knew if those kids died. I felt bad...for a second, but quickly turned to "Fuck em. They were awful assholes." It kind of warped my perceptions from then on.
Having read the book as a child, I was always disappointed to know that they did survive.
i loved how awkward the johnny depp one was, i can't remember watching the old willy wonka but i don't remember ever disliking charlie and the chocolate factory
The two adaptations are different, but they both have good qualities. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is more faithful to the book than Willy Wonka... and the songs are wildly entertaining, but Gene Wilder’s portrayal is perhaps less sympathetic and more purposefully creepy. Remake Mike Teevee is much more despicable than original Mike Teevee and the other children’s personalities are a bit more fleshed out so you actively detest them rather than feel horrified that an irritating child might have just been killed/harmed.
@@ew6483 I disagree, I think the johnny depp one was way more overtly creepy, just in a different way. Like, Time Burton really laid the weirdness on thick
@@Maxolotl124 I can agree with that.
@@ew6483 another thing about burtons version is Roald Dahls wife was a big part of the movie making and writing process, if anyone knew what willy Wonka was supposed to be like it was her since Roald had already passed
@@waaa7732 Fliss, wasn’t it? Yes, I believe that (and keeping bits from the book) is what helped make it more faithful as an adaptation.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory showed the kids leaving at the end, just like the book described.
Yeah I'm surprised they didn't mention that
Child is in danger
Willy Wonka: oh no, anyway
Holy guacamole, I never noticed they used Martin Borrman's face as the fifth winner and I've seen this a million times!
anybody noticed that the rich spoiled kid in both Johnny Depp's and Gene Wilder's version looks almost identical
Good casting choice
Some things never change.
In fairness... big Karens start as small Karens and there really is not much variation in Karens
Ya the grandpa and the kid are kind of the same in both versions, so they were at least casted right.
Varuca: WHO SAYS I CAN'T
Wonker:(does a little wave to her off screen)
It’s weird, I remember reading that Dahl’s widow said that he would’ve liked the remake more.
I was really creeped out by this film as a kid. I’m glad it was intentional.
🤣 Oh my, imagination if it wasn’t intentional? 😆
This movie scared me as a kid too.
Never apologize for a good pun
I disagree.
Never apologise for a bad pun, either.
5:51 if Veruca is 10y/o there, and lives to 90, to eat 760,000 Wonka bars she'd have to average just over 26 per day
lol she would probably die of diabetes complications before she hits even close to 90 at 26 bars a day!
In other words... she wouldn’t have a long life to enjoy her lifetime supply.
@@dubbingsync it would be a lifetime supply, one way or another.
The tunnel scene gave me nightmares for around a year. Cannot believe that they didn’t mention the robo cop reboot
Well... They did say they ran long filming the main segment.
And the disney live action remakes are more frequent and bad than the robocop fail
Not all remakes are bad they do remake some movies and make them infinity better Dirty Rotten Scoundrels is great example.
Ghostbusters 2016 is equally terrible.
@@anderssorenson9998 Or the Judge Dredd remake that's way better then the Stallone movie and actually gets the character.
When Karl said “we’re still recording this in 2020… …don’t know when it’s going up” and then I checked the time stamp and it said “16 minutes ago”
Holy hell did I feel that one. It’s April 2021
I found the movie terrifying as a kid never watched it again and I looked back at 2019 and I finally see why I was so scared of it why didn't anyone else my age get that?
I remember not liking the movie as a child for reasons I just couldn't express. I think this might help explain that.
@@justinweber4977 This is the exact reason I liked it. Twisted humor, sarcasm, and ambiguous morals.
@@CrawliestCotter Oh, I'm not saying I don't like it NOW, and for those reasons... Just that as a kid I found the movie off-putting for a while.
@@justinweber4977 there was Always something off when I would watch the movie maybe was the no trust thing for I was and still am just as weird as wanka but felt unsettling. Maybe I was seeing and hearing the sad stuff and didn't understand what unsettling ment. I found a lot of movies I thought where scary as a kid going back was not because I was a dumb scared kid. They just where that messed up but now I would say desterbed not scared
The oompa loompas were tiny orange men with green hair and white eyebrows who sang impromptu, unrehearsed songs in perfect unison. That shit was unnatural and terrifying.
Whoever’s reading this go to the wiki for Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, the book after the Chocolate Factory... it is a wild ride.
People get killed by aliens.
Yeah its set in space because why not, honestly I think I must of read a bit of that book but then I stopped at some point.
Don't forget Wonka and Charlie casually visiting Hell.
Vernicious Knids I believe
I rather enjoyed the Depp version. They really dived into the fact that this was a factory with the giant spaces and cold dark steel. It has a different tone than the first movie. But also I found Wonka's introduction comedy gold so I might just be broken
I like how the normal green screen is there but the bad one is edited in or it's the other way around
He explained in the video it's the taped one so the green screen corners are just over top of the shit one
Wow I didn’t even realise what was going on, green screen inception 😂
Listen man, the Tim Burton Charlie and the chocolate factory was a damn work of art. It was creepy, weird, and surreal in all the best ways. It wasn't the Gene Wilder film by any means, but I don't think it was ever MEANT to be. I rewatched it recently expecting it to not have aged well (and we can argue back and forth about the appropriatness of the oompa loompas being pygmies, but I think it was pulled off with enough absurdity behind it to avoid being problematic), but it absolutely blew me away by being everything I never knew I wanted a willy wonka movie to be. It was a completely different interpretation of the story, in many ways unrecognizable from the tone of the first movie and original book, but it didn't suffer for that at all in my opinion. It was a movie that oozed and dripped Tim Burton from every nook, cranny and crevice, and it managed to turn this light and cheery story (even if Gene wilder infused some subtle weirdness into it) into something that felt WRONG in all the right ways, all without losing sight of itself. You can say whatever you like, but I think this version of Willy Wonka turned out exactly as it was supposed to, and it's still my favorite version of the movie.
The interesting thing about the oompa loompas for me was always the subversion of what could have been a slave allegory nightmare. They were asked, and agreed, to come work for Wonka, get paid well, have all the benefits of employment, and he lets them do whatever they want in the factory, within reasons. They can always leave too. (Also, them all just being Deep Roy is a stroke of genius.)
I couldn't agree more. I've read the book, watched the original Gene Wilder version and watched the Tim Burton version, and the latter is definitely more sound to my interpretation of the original text.
My memory of this movie has always been that it’s disturbing as fuck, I’ve actually never watched it again because I pretty much have no good memories of it.
You didn't watch Courage the Cowardly dog much as a child either did you?
@@Gr3nadgr3gory Booga, booga, booga!
@@Gr3nadgr3gory I did not 😅
@@adammyers7383 kinda the same creepy right?
Retuuuuuurn the slaaaaaab.
For some reason, Charlie and Chocolate Factory really grew on me especially the soundtrack for the movie (and after finding out that the squirrels are mostly real in the Veruca Salt part of the movie)
Don't apologize for the duct tape. For this channel it is perfectly in character.
i watched this video and around the 5 minute mark found the movie on netflix, guess how imma spend the next couple of hours
In a world of pure imagination?
MikeTV would make a pile of RUclips and twitch money nowadays. He was just born a few decades too early
When I was a kid I thought it was meant to be a horror movie for kids. That summersault made a huge difference.
Willy Wonka really is a shifty man.
okay the disclaimer is reassuring but now im pissing myself just picturing Karl standing alone, talking to himself
I think the earphone in his ear is linked to a phone on a call with Lucas and recording the audio
@@I_Im_Over_There OH oops lmao
I grew up with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but I watched Willy Wonka too. I know Willy Wonka had dark undertones, but compared to Charlie, it might as well be an episode of the Care Bears lollll. Charlie always really freaked me out as a kid, and Willy Wonka, while still kinda dark, isn’t anywhere near as dark as Charlie.
The Johnny Depp version was closer to the book, even Roald Dahl's original plan of having the Oompa Loompas black
The issues with both movies for me comes with the additions. Grandpa Jo and Charlie wouldn't disobey Wonka and Wonka doesn't need a backstory.
@@bookworm3696 Well I don't mind Wonkas backstory or arch but I can get why some people would see it as just being pointless.
i never liked Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory as a child, but i've come to appreciate it more now because of how creepy it is. i have loved Charlie and the Chocolate Factory since it came out because i really like movies like Tim Burton's, where they simultaneously seem to take themselves way too seriously and not at all seriously
Years ago I saw a video analysis of the boat after Augustus went up the pipe. There's only enough room for 4 pairs of people, Wonka and the crew. Given the size of the boat there isn't enough room in the river for a larger boat, so there isn't the ability to have different sized boats for different numbers of passengers. Therefore, Wonka had to have planned for at least two people not to make it through the "Pure Imagination" room.
On the point of watching shows during the pandemic: I watched My Name Is Earl, an early 2000s comedy mind you, and always wondered why they don’t wear a mask in stores.
When my siblings would come and wake me up after a night of drinking, they would say that stupid 'starshine' line with a megaphone ...
One 'kids film' that absolutely traumatised me as a kid is Caroline. That film fucked me up so much that if i was misbehaving when i was younger my mum would put it on and i would immediately listen to her. God i hate that movie.
iT's CoRaLiNe!
That's kinda fucked up.
The fake bar wasn't found in Argentina, but in Paraguay, which makes it a very specific South American joke. I don't know how much the person who wrote the joke knows about S.A. but Paraguay is a country where you can buy fake versions of everything. *Everything*, my dear foreigns. It is two jokes into one.
Watching this film in Brazil has the additional fun of hearing "It was found in Paraguay" and just knowing it is fake before the Americans do. I wonder if it was on purpose.
Tl;dr: every version of Willy Wonka is chaotic neutral lmao
I was gonna say the worst kid was Mike Teevee... but we are all now Mike Teevee
It was obviously Veruca Salt.
One scene that I like from the remake that wasn't in the original is the scenes where everyone was leaving the building while being disfigured. I like it mostly because it's in the book but not in the original
Far away Lucas is ONLY here to keep Karl on subject, like every time he wanders, Lucas "and what about subject the video is about?"
How is it that when I watch these videos while there's uni work sat watching me piss away time, I end up doing that work before the end? Keep at it though, you're in my reference list for a master's level project
Can't wait for the "How not to do business" episode about Mr. Salt.
I watched one of your videos last night where you guys went on a drunken rant about the movie Real Steel. I remember enjoying the movie, but hadn't watched it in a while. So of course I proceeded to rewatch it.
The scene at the fair made me nervous throughout the whole movie because they announced it was 2020, and everyone is sitting close together and shaking hands. This is made worse by the end of the movie during the fight with Zeus where it appears (guesstimate) that there about 10-20k people crammed in the stadium. They had no idea how different it would be only 9 years later.
There are a few exceptions to that remake rule. For example there are at least 4 versions of The Count of Monte Cristo that I can sit and watch back to back. Also good things can happen even if the remake isn't better than the original, Point Breaks remake about street racers instead of surfers spawned one of the biggest movie franchises of all time. Thank you for coming to my lecture.
Count of Monte Cristo I think illustrates a special case, because these aren't so much re-makes of a single movie but fresh adaptations of the original novel. With adaptation, there's a lot artistic leeway--what to preserve, what to discard, what if anything to add, how to portray your source material--that differing adaptations can have value even if other adaptations of the source material exist and are good films in their own right.
John Cleese as Will Wonka exists in a parallel universe, we must find it
He did a good job, His character always creeped me out as a kid...infact, still does
Watched this today. It was like watching a guy that was possessed by a slightly more malevolent bugs bunny
I think the reason they have to remake all these films again is to meet the copyright renewal dates so it can't be nabbed by another studio
One of the only channels on youtube i still like. I swear as soon as channels get popular and make money the people change and it aggravates the balls off of me.
Don't think I've watched the film before. The books were bangers though
The way Wilder plays it, you never figure out if he's profoundly diabolical or batshit crazy.
"Candy is dandy but liquor is quicker."
🤣 I miss this movie.
The dead chicken image in the boat ride scene is one of the most horrific things I’ve ever seen.
Can't believe you didn't mention the idea of Snowpiercer being a sequel to Wonka.
I went on a date for a tv show last month and they asked us not to mention the pandemic, so it was like “sorry I didn’t contact you for a year, I was ... busy?”
I want more "bad remakes of great movies".
A nice cold glass of water is IMPORTANT
Rip a legend.
I just ripped a legend into the bed sheets
@@tylork8025 No. You fucking idiot. Gene Wilder.
@@trystanking2344 You name your farts? Weird, but I'll allow it.
I hate how after Pirates Of The Carribean, every Johnny Depp performance seems to be channelling some famous celebrity instead of just trying to bring a character to life. His Willy Wonka felt like a Michael Jackson parody
I had the pleasure of meeting mr. Wilder at work a few times so I just love this video so much however if there was a rule at work we were never to mention Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory around him apparently it did used to annoy him because he did so many other movies and no one would ever mention any of them around him.
When you think about Mr. Salt's reaction, the movie becomes even more sinister. He laughs and says "the furnace! she'll be sizzled like a sausage." To which, Wonka replies nonchalantly, "not necessarily, she could be stuck just inside the tube." It is this casual response that brings the reality home for Mr. Salt, who dives down the tube after his daughter. Grandpa Joe snidely quips, "Mr. Salt finally got what he wanted... Veruca went first." To your point, you could easily read this entire film as either a pseudo-horror-comedy or a fun, whimsical romp through a chocolate factory, and all the lines in this scene work either way. This movie is perfect
"There's no earthly way of knowing
Which direction we are going
There's no knowing where we're rowing
Or which way the river's flowing"
"Is it raining, is it snowing?
Is a hurricane a-blowing?"
"Not a speck of light is showing
So the danger must be growing
Are the fires of Hell a-glowing?
Is the grisly Reaper mowing?"
'Yes! The danger must be growing
For the rowers keep on rowing
And they're certainly not showing
Any signs that they are slowing"
Bloody adore this movie.
I just love how he starts by sings and finishs just screaming
@@Ericshadowblade I agree, it fantastically creepy.
This is the kind of stuff my mom and dad used to do. .... Thinking back on it, they had quite a few pictures of working at a haunted house together before I was born.
Both of them were extremely intelligent people who knew how to be wonka-ish, I suppose you could call it.
As a child i though it was a horror movie. And i still think Willy Wonka and the chocolate factory is a horror movie is you overthink it.
I’ve learnt more from watching fact fiend than I ever did in school. I fucking love this show
True ngl I learnt everything I know from fact fiend
Watching your video was the first time I realised Roy Kinear was in the first movie (Verruca Salt’s dad) and David Kelly was in was in the remake (Charlie’s grandpa)... those two actors both starred in a dodgy UK sitcom I loved as a kid in the 80s called ‘Cowboys’ about shifty builders....
Yeah, its a child's horror film. There are some creepy, unsettling, and down right scary things in those movies. I know someone who can't watch the original film because the Oompa Loompas make her have panic attacks.
Oddly enough so do I, except it's a guy, not a gal. How weird!
"You should watch this because it's okay" is the number one reason I've ignored most of music post 2001, especially after watching music reviewers justify certain artists because "their sound has slowly improved over time to the point that it's listenable".
The Disney Live Action Remakes only exist to make the animated films look even better
An example the dead-eyed emotionless animals in Lion King and The jungle book
Thank you for making me not feel alone for being uncomfortable every time someone is too close in content I watch.
Children's horror movie with a happy ending. That tunnel scene with the chanting and the bug crawling... is he evil
Salt is she the reason why people use that word like that.
The little spoiled girl was always a long haired little rich boy in my mind. I think I’m putting two of the characters together
I love the fact that the green screen looks off lol I do shit like that at my house on purpose to bother everybody
I'm still semi surprised that Christopher Lee is in the shitty remake...
I was always creeped out even as a kid at Willy Wonka and the chocolate and Charlie and the chocolate
Even with the makeshift green screen, you still more entertaining content than Disney
That smile when the kids are getting fucked up is the best lol.
Exceptions to the remake statement he made at the end:
True Grit
Cape Fear
That’s about it
What about Judge Dredd or does that not count as a sequel?
@@ahopefor shit I forgot Dredd that movie was fantastic
This has been my favorite movie since I was a kid. I have watched it dozens of times and every time I pick up new humor and darker sides to it. Excellent video
The authors wife has said the Depp version is closer to the book, but I still prefer the original
Its also really cool with that somersault because they didnt tell the actors who willy wonka was before hand or that he would be entering that way the confusion they show when he first comes out is totally real
0:07, I did remember the difference.
I do like the Willi Wonka's & The Chocolate Factory because it's a good movie and Gene Wilder, but prefer the Johny Depp version because of how close the movie was to the books.
And those archive video where they share a glass or a plate of food ... why does this make me inconfortable.... so weird
I like that the green-screen on the wall is a bit skew-wiff, seems very true to the undersized green-screen from the start - RIP to that screen😢
Happy Friday everybody!
"Don't watch something that's just fine"
Ayt then * unsubscribes*
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory always creeped me out as a child, not sure why 💀 But if someone put it on, I always made myself scarce, cause I hated it so much 😂
As an adult I thought wonka was a murderer. He saw the vices of each of the kids in the news interviews and then set up ways to kill them using that vice/characteristic. You telling me the oompa lumpas can just improv the same song at the same time?
Maybe it's because I watched it so young but I thought Charlie and the chocolate factory was a fine movie