Actually that was too nice by him. Draper didn't deserve that. Felix shoulda given him a simple handshake as he said he would to the umpire. A hug was not necessary here.
@@al1976-v7m if you watch the extended videos Felix did ask him directly as well. In a straightforward non aggressive way. Unfortunately draper chose the other path.
so mature for a professional player: "I don't expect you to make that call [to draper]". Huge kudos for Felix on understanding that, and for still hugging warming after.
You can't tell on slow mo replay whether it hit the ground after the racquet. It looked like it jammed into the ground at the same time as hitting his racquet. There is no way the umpire could see if it was legal or not in real time
Bro it’s so close that’s an impossible call to make in real time. It’s easy for you to make it after watching replay on your sofa. Quit acting like you could do better
@@EvanTucker-USA3 well thank you for keeping me humble but the reason I could call it is because the ball bounced straight up. It doesn’t do that off of a racket.
Draper can concede the point if he wants to, other players do that for fair play & sportsmanship! He instead put the burden to the umpire because he knows it favors him.
This really is NOT an easy call even when slowed down and or paused. Looks like the ball touched the floor and the racket frame at the same time, so I don't blame anyone here. Just a really tough call.
It is easy when you consider spin and the whole shot...if it was a legal shot, the ball could only have backspin, and therefore could not "jump" over the net after striking the net. It might still get over the net depending on the height, but then it would be limited by the backspin.
Draper asked for video re iee. He more or less knew what happened. Should have just given the point to the opponent even if the ref was blind and didn't call it. Hats off to Felix and his parents handling the situation like a class act. His parent raised him right.
So sorry for Felix. Quite a nice guy, showed a lot of class handling this situation even knowing he was right... Tennis tournaments, especially big ones like this need better technology, come on! It's not acceptable not having a simple instant replay to help in cases like this.
Jack Draper knew he lost the point. You can tell by the fact that he took another swing at the ball and was walking back to the baseline to continue. Super poor sportsmanship on his part, but ultimately it is up to the tournament to have video replay and the umpire to be competent.
My humble assessment from slowing this poor quality 1080p video at 0.25x speed is that the incoming ball to draper hit the ground and Draper's racket frame edge closest to the ground at the same time and got sandwiched there for millie seconds then it sprung up. That makes it not Drapers point and the umpire was wrong. I feel that is what happened and i dont blame the umpire because you need very high speed frame rate camera to tell fir certain what happened.
Nope nope nope. It’s visible at NORMAL speed that it hits Draper’s racquet and then hits the ground before hitting Draper’s racquet again. Yes slow motion helps to see it but I watched it 50 times now at different speeds to see if the Umpire could have seen it correctly at normal speed. It’s possible. But yeah it could be missed also. That’s why we need replay at every top level tournament.
Finally someone who has eyes and saw what happened. All these funny cheaters here claiming they can't see it 😂 I'm sure you don't hook any of your calls when you play either right... bunch of cheaters
Bad look for Draper, not conceding the point, while he knew it wasn't a fair shot. Also the umpire should be fired asap and ATP consider VAR for next season
bro you cannot feel those shots draper obviously didn’t know that but the umpire or the supervisor should be able to check that at the moment and that umpire has to be gone asap i agree with u on that
@@arindamghatakit's very clear that the ball hit the racquet first, then the court. Illegal shot, and Draper knew it. As Felix said, he's played enough matches to know by feel where the ball went.
@@tondagouda9633 I played it ten times on 0.25x speed. There's no way you can tell from this slow frame rate what happened. No clear evidence to overturn anything, Umpire judgement stands.
If you guys had played tennis at a high level, you would know by the way the ball bounced afterwards that it had hit Draper’s racquet first. You can even see in Draper’s reaction that he knew it had hit his racquet first. He actually went to hit the ball again. Tough call for the ref if he had never played at a high level. But any former player watching this would know what happened. So did Draper and he didn’t man up to give the point to Felix.
Let’s give Draper a break here. I’ve been playing tennis for 45 years, including as a tennis instructor for several years. I watched this several times in slow motion, and I’m still not sure.
If you were telling the truth about your tennis career, you'd know that a ball coming back with that much bounce is likely to have bounced off the ground at high velocity.
Much respect for Felix. Anybody who plays tennis knows that Felix won the point. Draper knew. Either the umpire was not paying attention during that instance or he is just incompetent or has no clue about tennis.
What nonsense! The ball clearly hits the ground first and then the racket. It is plain to see by the video evidence. You can keep talking until blue in the face but it won't change the correct decision.
I still don't know what happened having watched the already slow mo but at 0.25x speed ten times (mostly cos the frame rate is so bad, but also cos it's clearly about as close as it gets to simultaneously hitting racket and ball). Draper can't tell what happened.
You don't need video, you can hear it in the audio. It hits the frame and then the ground. That's how Felix was so sure (and ump should have been too).
Draper trying to be nice when he knows what happened. This umpire already had mistakes and should be moved down from top matches. Cannot believe there is no replay. Can you imagine this was a final?
somebody could download the vidéo and check image per image ... I read the video at 0.25 speed ... it looks like he hits the ball just after it left the ground, not before!!
the ball was what they called 'shanked'. It hits the racquet, then into the ground and back into the racquet again at basically the same time causing it to slowly squeeze out. its not a fair shot. if he did not hit it into the ground then the ball would not slowly popup like that.
Everyone! At 0:49, watch multiple times, at 25% Playback Speed. Comment below on what you see. I see it both ways. I see the ball hitting the ground first, then the bottom rim of the racket, then the top of the racket. At other times I see the bottom rim of the racket hitting the ball to the ground first, then hitting the top of the racket a second time. Even at this slow speed the ball is blurry and the video quality is too choppy to conclusively tell.
I don't understand where is the problem here. Everyone says "the ball touch the racket than the ground (and then the racket again ?) but I don't see this on the replay, the ball seems to touch the ground first, which is ok as it is the first touch, than the racket. Please help me to see what's wrong ! Is there a double touch on the racket ? I don't see it...
Looking frame by frame it did hit the racquet then the court but it was so fast and close I can understand how Draper wasn't sure at full speed. What I don't get it how Felix saw from so far away, great eyes.
It's hard to tell but the ball appears to have backspin when Draper returned it, possibly indicating it bounced once. If the ball was hit on the frame of the racquet directly towards the ground, it could have generated topspin instead. But nobody really can be 100% sure because we don't have closer replay footage.
I see it now. The ball hit the bottom part of the racket first and then hit the top of the racket after. A double hit. Ahhhh... Draper knew this happened. Still, not his call.
@@davidhunternyc1 Double hit is allowed, if the shot is in one swing. Deliberate double hit not allowed of course. But, here, the ball bounced on the ground and at the same time hit his racquet frame and popped up to the other side. There was no double hit. It was a fair shot either way.
Honestly it just looks like the ball hits the ground then the racket. Everyone saying they have lost respect for Draper... grow up it is not as clear cut as it is to the Internet jury.
Draper lost all credibility when he said he wasn’t looking at the ball, he was only looking at Felix. He was clearly looking at the ball, as all professionals do
It was a legal shot wdym. Draper also said they can reply the point, just that he wasnt sure if it was illegal or not. It’s understandable cuz even the entire world doesnt really know if it was legal or not lol
@@markalbarracin2011it was an illegal shot, literally everyone else got to know and find out in real time while watching the match except for players and umpire
@@clownzii3222 it wasnt figured out in real time though. Even the slow mo shot seemed dubious unless analyzed frame by frame It does pass as a half volley. The margin we’re talking about is in the millimeters, how do you expect the umpire or anyone to react to such a margin?
@BillyUk89-v1j cause he clearly knew he didn’t win the point with absolute certainty. I agree conceding the point wouldn’t be in his best interest but at least replaying the point would show some level of sportsmanship.
Easily visible. There is no way he was looking at the other player when he hit the ball. And him saying that says that he knew he didnt get it. Stop the cap.
lol draper, forces himself into the conversation and then proceeds to just say, I was looking at you and not the ball, when video replay shows he was staring at the ball and his shot the whole time hahahaha
The only way the ball could have bounced like that is if it first hit the ground. This suggests that the ball struck the bottom of his racket, then hit the ground, and bounced upward in that manner. There’s no other possible explanation for how it moved that way. My take on this is this should have been reviewed if possible. The umpire should be penalised
If the ball does not leave from the racket surface! It just touched the ground twice... Because even if it touches the ground and the racket hits the ball at the same time, it will bounce up due to the reaction force of the floor... Landing and chopping on the ball are considered two jumps. I think Draper should not care about this point❤ 這個球如果不是由拍面離開！ 就是觸地兩次了⋯⋯ 因為就算是觸地同時拍框打在球上、都是靠地板的反作用力彈起來的⋯⋯ 落地與砍在球上觸地反彈，都算是兩跳了。 我認為Draper 都應該不去計較這一分❤
It seems like most people see the ball hit the ground after it hits the racket, but I see it hit the ground and then the racket in a half volley. Even on replay, 2 dozen times.
Why doesn't the ref use slow motion replay/Hawkeye? We don't live in the seventies anymore, the data is available. Ball trajectories are tracked by millimeter accuracy these days. Unbelievable.
looked at the slow motion replay at .25 speed and then I could tell the ball hit his frame, then the ground; but it's really hard to tell so can't blame the umpire; but yes as a prof, for sure Draper knew and should have conceded the point
Draper forgot, Tennis is in escense a gentlemen sport...it is not football, soccer whatever...it is more elegant if you give your oponnent the point as taking it for yourself...
What are people saying happened ? I can’t tell from the replay? Are you saying it’s a double bounce or that the ball hit the ground again before going over the net ?
The ball clearly hit the ground first before Draper put the racket to the ball. There is no gray area here. This is as clear as water. The point belongs to Felix and this is considered borderline cheating by Draper. It is cheating because Draper knew he lost the point, but still didn't want to "admit" to it.
On the slow-mo, it looked like the ball was touching the ground and Draper's racquet at the same time before the ball jumped up, so maybe that's a legal shot?
0:49 If you play it at 50% speed, it really looks like the ball hit frame, ground, racket again (then top of the net to top it off). But a better replay would have been nice.
There are better replays with more frames. It seems clear to me the ball could not possibly have hit the racket, then the ground, then the racket again- and continued with that speed and angle- it would have died- particularly as Draper was just bunting it back, not swinging.
You can tell Draper knew right away he lost but surprised he got the point. Although I still don’t know what happened because it’s never explained clearly
Even in repetition we cannot assure 100% that the ball hit the frame first then bouced on ground then hits the racket. It s a though situation. At certain point looks like the ball bounced on ground first then hits the racket and shot is ordinary. We cannot blame referee and we cannot blame draper.
Yes we can! You hear the difference! the ump could have closed his eyes and still made the right call! A ricocheting ball bouncing into the court creates a loud and unique sound that is very different from a ball landing on the court and then being half volleyed! Just listen to the sound of the serve bounce, it's far less audible than the bounce of the return even though the serve is a much harder shot. Do you play tennis?
Even after repetition people are still divided till now about the sitution. the situation is though and the referee decided it s a legitimate point and we should respect referee decision. This is how tennis rules are and this is how tennis is played from decades.
@@koooravideos5674 i repeat my question: do you play tennis? For anyone with a decent amount of experience on the court this is NOT a tough question. You recognize it as soon as you hear the bounce and see the trajector. That's why Felix didn't even bother to run after the ball. That's how obvious it was to pros and experienced players.
@@al1976-v7mthe only justification for you is felix reaction. If you played tennis as you pretend you would not say that. We cannot use an oppenent or a player reaction to justify something. It needs a real proof. That's Very bad.
It’s easy to see the ball go into the ground on replay but Draper was running and swinging so I’m not sure he knew it hit before it bounced back up off his racket. We need replay in tennis. It’s obvious in the replay that it is Felix’s point.
It looks like the ball hit the racket and ground at the same time en then hit the racket again. It’s one motion, idk what the rules are but I think the ball hit the racket 2 times so if that not allowed in one move then it’s not a fair point.
Even amateurs know it when they didnt make the shot. I understand sometimes you play by the ref because everyone gets bad calls all the time; however, in this situation, it's a bad look since there are cameras everywhere.
I am looking the slow motion motion replay in slow youtube motion. Still unsure. I think both players were gentlemen, particularly Felix. Though for the referee.
Draper He was supposed to be a man, And admit that the point is not his. True, you won, but you lost the love of the people, which is more valuable than the prize.
Hmmm is it because of the double bounce noise? I guess it sounded like it was being jammed between the racquet and court. Really hard to tell with the low frame rate footagek
People say it’s not Draper’s call. Draper said he wasn’t looking. Funny that Felix saw it and he is playing. Umpires should be able to check video. Umpire said I’ll check later and he’ll apologize if he was wrong.
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Felix has handled that with such grace it can't even be believed. He even hugged him warmly after. What a guy!
Actually that was too nice by him. Draper didn't deserve that. Felix shoulda given him a simple handshake as he said he would to the umpire. A hug was not necessary here.
@@al1976-v7m if you watch the extended videos Felix did ask him directly as well. In a straightforward non aggressive way. Unfortunately draper chose the other path.
@@al1976-v7mGod Bless you! You get it!
so mature for a professional player: "I don't expect you to make that call [to draper]". Huge kudos for Felix on understanding that, and for still hugging warming after.
You can't tell on slow mo replay whether it hit the ground after the racquet. It looked like it jammed into the ground at the same time as hitting his racquet. There is no way the umpire could see if it was legal or not in real time
in doubt why he dont use the replay to verify? this looks so ridiculous.
Draper knew he didn’t get it. What a joke. this ref just lost a spot in the majors.
On the contrary, he'll get a top seat for sure. These atrocious umps usually get promoted. Promoting incompetence
Bro it’s so close that’s an impossible call to make in real time. It’s easy for you to make it after watching replay on your sofa. Quit acting like you could do better
@@EvanTucker-USA3 well thank you for keeping me humble but the reason I could call it is because the ball bounced straight up. It doesn’t do that off of a racket.
He stopped after hitting it, as Roger says "the player always knows"
@@EvanTucker-USA3the trajectory of the ball… very unlikely
The commentators even knew!
Draper can concede the point if he wants to, other players do that for fair play & sportsmanship! He instead put the burden to the umpire because he knows it favors him.
That ‘s right! Alcaraz did that once, but Draper wanted to win quickly
This really is NOT an easy call even when slowed down and or paused. Looks like the ball touched the floor and the racket frame at the same time, so I don't blame anyone here. Just a really tough call.
Yeah, agreed.
It is easy when you consider spin and the whole shot...if it was a legal shot, the ball could only have backspin, and therefore could not "jump" over the net after striking the net. It might still get over the net depending on the height, but then it would be limited by the backspin.
Draper asked for video re iee. He more or less knew what happened. Should have just given the point to the opponent even if the ref was blind and didn't call it. Hats off to Felix and his parents handling the situation like a class act. His parent raised him right.
So sorry for Felix. Quite a nice guy, showed a lot of class handling this situation even knowing he was right... Tennis tournaments, especially big ones like this need better technology, come on! It's not acceptable not having a simple instant replay to help in cases like this.
Jack Draper knew he lost the point. You can tell by the fact that he took another swing at the ball and was walking back to the baseline to continue. Super poor sportsmanship on his part, but ultimately it is up to the tournament to have video replay and the umpire to be competent.
Tennis is a gentlemen’s sport. It’s even worse if he knew and didn’t say a word.
@@thequebecoistraveler7857 correct. Everyone will blame the umpire. It was close, easy to miss. I blame Draper.
The onus is on the integrity of each participant. That is where it all begins and ends.
What are you on about. Neither of those two things happened.
Draper immediately said they should replay the point. Makes absolutely no sense to blame him, just say you didn't like him anyway and be honest
My humble assessment from slowing this poor quality 1080p video at 0.25x speed is that the incoming ball to draper hit the ground and Draper's racket frame edge closest to the ground at the same time and got sandwiched there for millie seconds then it sprung up. That makes it not Drapers point and the umpire was wrong. I feel that is what happened and i dont blame the umpire because you need very high speed frame rate camera to tell fir certain what happened.
That’s what I saw from slow motion
Nope nope nope. It’s visible at NORMAL speed that it hits Draper’s racquet and then hits the ground before hitting Draper’s racquet again. Yes slow motion helps to see it but I watched it 50 times now at different speeds to see if the Umpire could have seen it correctly at normal speed. It’s possible. But yeah it could be missed also. That’s why we need replay at every top level tournament.
If it hit the ground and the racket at the same time and then went over, isn't that a legitimate half volley?
@@matejluptak no. And that’s not what happened. Watch it again. It ihit the racket then the ground, then the racket.
Finally someone who has eyes and saw what happened. All these funny cheaters here claiming they can't see it 😂 I'm sure you don't hook any of your calls when you play either right... bunch of cheaters
Bad look for Draper, not conceding the point, while he knew it wasn't a fair shot. Also the umpire should be fired asap and ATP consider VAR for next season
bro you cannot feel those shots draper obviously didn’t know that but the umpire or the supervisor should be able to check that at the moment and that umpire has to be gone asap i agree with u on that
The shot was fair. The ball bounced on the ground and at the same time hit his racquet frame and popped up to the other side. Justice was done.
Thanks for admitting that you are blind mate...@@arindamghatak
@@Vojkan2000 What did you see ?
@@arindamghatakit's very clear that the ball hit the racquet first, then the court. Illegal shot, and Draper knew it. As Felix said, he's played enough matches to know by feel where the ball went.
Draper says if he can check the point on video and it shows the ball bounced on the ground after he hit it, then he is willing to replay the point🤣🤣🤣
We don't see it on video
just a semi-volley, nothing wrong there
@@rah2f390you play video in speed 0.25 ez point.
@@tondagouda9633 I played it ten times on 0.25x speed. There's no way you can tell from this slow frame rate what happened. No clear evidence to overturn anything, Umpire judgement stands.
@@alasdairduncan3 the commentator said it right when it happened.
If you guys had played tennis at a high level, you would know by the way the ball bounced afterwards that it had hit Draper’s racquet first. You can even see in Draper’s reaction that he knew it had hit his racquet first. He actually went to hit the ball again. Tough call for the ref if he had never played at a high level. But any former player watching this would know what happened. So did Draper and he didn’t man up to give the point to Felix.
Well done Angur for keeping your cool not blaming it on Jack.The Referee makes the call he made a mistake.
Not 100% sure but looks like the ball hit the frame then the ground and hit the racket one more time
You play speed video in 0.25 speed
Let’s give Draper a break here. I’ve been playing tennis for 45 years, including as a tennis instructor for several years. I watched this several times in slow motion, and I’m still not sure.
If you were telling the truth about your tennis career, you'd know that a ball coming back with that much bounce is likely to have bounced off the ground at high velocity.
Much respect for Felix. Anybody who plays tennis knows that Felix won the point. Draper knew. Either the umpire was not paying attention during that instance or he is just incompetent or has no clue about tennis.
I can't tell at 0.25 speed and I played tennis to a high level (regional tournaments) for many years.
What nonsense! The ball clearly hits the ground first and then the racket. It is plain to see by the video evidence. You can keep talking until blue in the face but it won't change the correct decision.
draper should have refused the win. he just looks like a moral coward.
I still don't know what happened having watched the already slow mo but at 0.25x speed ten times (mostly cos the frame rate is so bad, but also cos it's clearly about as close as it gets to simultaneously hitting racket and ball).
Draper can't tell what happened.
You can't even see it on 0,25 x if the ball touched Drapers racquets 2x or a if it was a double bounce..
That was not the argument. The ball touched drawers racket then hit the court below it
Clean point.
The camera foreshortens the image and flattens it - racquet, ball and court appear to be on the same plane.
You don't need video, you can hear it in the audio. It hits the frame and then the ground. That's how Felix was so sure (and ump should have been too).
Draper trying to be nice when he knows what happened. This umpire already had mistakes and should be moved down from top matches. Cannot believe there is no replay. Can you imagine this was a final?
Yawn!
somebody could download the vidéo and check image per image ...
I read the video at 0.25 speed ... it looks like he hits the ball just after it left the ground, not before!!
If you watch the video carefully- it’s SO clear that it was 100% clean shot, most of the commentators are just under the negative influence
It's very close but sorry kids, you're wrong, it hit the ground AFTER it touched his racquet and then bounced over the net. FAA got robbed.
ma chiaro dove???@@Wooooosaaaaaa
No if you look closely you can see the ball come off the frame then onto the ground then up.
the ball was what they called 'shanked'. It hits the racquet, then into the ground and back into the racquet again at basically the same time causing it to slowly squeeze out. its not a fair shot. if he did not hit it into the ground then the ball would not slowly popup like that.
Everyone! At 0:49, watch multiple times, at 25% Playback Speed. Comment below on what you see. I see it both ways.
I see the ball hitting the ground first, then the bottom rim of the racket, then the top of the racket. At other times I see the bottom rim of the racket hitting the ball to the ground first, then hitting the top of the racket a second time. Even at this slow speed the ball is blurry and the video quality is too choppy to conclusively tell.
That umpire needs to be fired immediately and Draper knows what he did. He has to live with that and the tennis replays and humiliation.
Hes a reputable ref. They wont touch him
Draper will suffer more for this than he realises
@@diodoruscronushis reputation in the last couple tournaments is shady
Will be remembered for years to come that Draper is a loser and FAA is a gentleman
People calling for a man's career over a call that needs slow mo to see if it was correct need to shut their pie holes.
I don't understand where is the problem here. Everyone says "the ball touch the racket than the ground (and then the racket again ?) but I don't see this on the replay, the ball seems to touch the ground first, which is ok as it is the first touch, than the racket. Please help me to see what's wrong ! Is there a double touch on the racket ? I don't see it...
Looking frame by frame it did hit the racquet then the court but it was so fast and close I can understand how Draper wasn't sure at full speed. What I don't get it how Felix saw from so far away, great eyes.
I see the opposite
@@JadeK297 Doesn;t matter what you see, what happened is the ball hit the racquet then the ground then the racquet again
It's hard to tell but the ball appears to have backspin when Draper returned it, possibly indicating it bounced once. If the ball was hit on the frame of the racquet directly towards the ground, it could have generated topspin instead. But nobody really can be 100% sure because we don't have closer replay footage.
The legendary english fair play 😊
Draper knows. Everyone can see he was looking at the ball! Shame on him! FAA responded like a true gentleman.
That’s disgusting, tragic by the umpire and Draper.
this is supposed to be a professional sport...what a circus the Cincinnati Open has become
I watched it at 0.25x speed at it looks like the racket touched the floor but the ball went upwards. Am I missing something?
I also did that. I saw that the ball bounced before it hit the racket and then went over which I think was fine?
I see it now. The ball hit the bottom part of the racket first and then hit the top of the racket after. A double hit. Ahhhh... Draper knew this happened. Still, not his call.
@@davidhunternyc1 Double hit is allowed, if the shot is in one swing. Deliberate double hit not allowed of course. But, here, the ball bounced on the ground and at the same time hit his racquet frame and popped up to the other side. There was no double hit. It was a fair shot either way.
Ya you're missing the whole thing apparently 😂
@@Wooooosaaaaaaapparently lol tell me what it is!
Honestly it just looks like the ball hits the ground then the racket. Everyone saying they have lost respect for Draper... grow up it is not as clear cut as it is to the Internet jury.
Exactly!
Draper lost all credibility when he said he wasn’t looking at the ball, he was only looking at Felix. He was clearly looking at the ball, as all professionals do
I just lost all respect for Draper
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It was a legal shot wdym. Draper also said they can reply the point, just that he wasnt sure if it was illegal or not.
It’s understandable cuz even the entire world doesnt really know if it was legal or not lol
@@markalbarracin2011don’t be so naive
@@markalbarracin2011it was an illegal shot, literally everyone else got to know and find out in real time while watching the match except for players and umpire
@@clownzii3222 it wasnt figured out in real time though. Even the slow mo shot seemed dubious unless analyzed frame by frame
It does pass as a half volley. The margin we’re talking about is in the millimeters, how do you expect the umpire or anyone to react to such a margin?
Draper was ridiculous. If video checked, it would be a point to Felix!!! What a jerk!
No it wouldn't, Draper won the point fare and square!
Justice did its course as Draper felt in the oblivion by Rune…bad sportsmanship
There was nothing Draper could have done.
@@DavidTurner11concede the point?
No it's not. The ball hit the ground racket simultaneously. There's no way he can call it, and bir should he. That's what the officials are there for.
@BillyUk89-v1j cause he clearly knew he didn’t win the point with absolute certainty. I agree conceding the point wouldn’t be in his best interest but at least replaying the point would show some level of sportsmanship.
That sucks. Two great players and guys and a great match and it ends like that. Get more instant replay going.
If you watch in slow mo you can just see that it hits the racket then the floor, also the angle th ball jumps up is a giveaway.
Easily visible. There is no way he was looking at the other player when he hit the ball. And him saying that says that he knew he didnt get it. Stop the cap.
lol draper, forces himself into the conversation and then proceeds to just say, I was looking at you and not the ball, when video replay shows he was staring at the ball and his shot the whole time hahahaha
Really though?
I'm watching the replay I still don't know what they are talking about. What's the deal?
Let's not forget this @usopen
The only way the ball could have bounced like that is if it first hit the ground. This suggests that the ball struck the bottom of his racket, then hit the ground, and bounced upward in that manner. There’s no other possible explanation for how it moved that way. My take on this is this should have been reviewed if possible. The umpire should be penalised
Exactly
perhaps penalized but the vitriol towards the ref is disturbing
If the ball does not leave from the racket surface!
It just touched the ground twice...
Because even if it touches the ground and the racket hits the ball at the same time, it will bounce up due to the reaction force of the floor...
Landing and chopping on the ball are considered two jumps.
I think Draper should not care about this point❤
這個球如果不是由拍面離開！
就是觸地兩次了⋯⋯
因為就算是觸地同時拍框打在球上、都是靠地板的反作用力彈起來的⋯⋯
落地與砍在球上觸地反彈，都算是兩跳了。
我認為Draper 都應該不去計較這一分❤
High speed cameras are expensive, they're like 1000 EUR a piece.
It seems like most people see the ball hit the ground after it hits the racket, but I see it hit the ground and then the racket in a half volley. Even on replay, 2 dozen times.
Nevermind, watched it on another video and saw how it hits the racket then the ground, and then the racket a second time.
Shame on Draper. There is no way he didn’t know that the ball hit his racquet first and then the ground. Where has the honesty gone in tennis?
Draper has no honor. Even casual players would know what happened.
I'm not a casual player. Played regional tennis for many years. At 0.25 speed I still can't tell if it's a legit shot or not.
Why doesn't the ref use slow motion replay/Hawkeye? We don't live in the seventies anymore, the data is available. Ball trajectories are tracked by millimeter accuracy these days. Unbelievable.
What replaying the point???? Its Augers point. Its not a replay, but a loss of point.
The replay is not great. Super slow motion is needed. In football, this is the only way to solve difficult cases.
AND HOCKEY...
looked at the slow motion replay at .25 speed and then I could tell the ball hit his frame, then the ground; but it's really hard to tell so can't blame the umpire; but yes as a prof, for sure Draper knew and should have conceded the point
Draper forgot, Tennis is in escense a gentlemen sport...it is not football, soccer whatever...it is more elegant if you give your oponnent the point as taking it for yourself...
What are people saying happened ? I can’t tell from the replay?
Are you saying it’s a double bounce or that the ball hit the ground again before going over the net ?
It hit the ground after it hit the racket. So a dead ball immediately!
@@al1976-v7mnope it clearly hit the ground once then hit his racket..
The ball clearly hit the ground first before Draper put the racket to the ball. There is no gray area here. This is as clear as water. The point belongs to Felix and this is considered borderline cheating by Draper. It is cheating because Draper knew he lost the point, but still didn't want to "admit" to it.
On the slow-mo, it looked like the ball was touching the ground and Draper's racquet at the same time before the ball jumped up, so maybe that's a legal shot?
0:49 If you play it at 50% speed, it really looks like the ball hit frame, ground, racket again (then top of the net to top it off). But a better replay would have been nice.
So clear this ball touched the ground. Draper knew. Brings the sport down when this happens.
Players are constantly looking to their team for feedback. I'd like to know what Draper's team thought about that?! Nice sportsmanship!
How could he cheat this way when he knew the replay would be watched by all the viewers?
Played it at 0.25 and still not clear if it hit the racket or the ground first. I need more frames
There are better replays with more frames. It seems clear to me the ball could not possibly have hit the racket, then the ground, then the racket again- and continued with that speed and angle- it would have died- particularly as Draper was just bunting it back, not swinging.
You can tell Draper knew right away he lost but surprised he got the point. Although I still don’t know what happened because it’s never explained clearly
Draper immediately moved to the net for the handshake, that makes me believe that Draper believed it was a fair point.
Allensworth is tennis's answer to MLB's Angel Hernandez (who fortunately retired this year).
Draper was looking right at the ball and his face says everything
No, you're definitely wrong on that one. I'm not sure if he hit the ball before it hit the ground or not, but he's definitely not looking at the ball.
What's controversial about this?
It's objectively a wrong call.
Did it bounce twice? I only see one bounce.
Draper point for me. Correct call. 👍🏽
what was the ref looking at ? his phone?
Even in repetition we cannot assure 100% that the ball hit the frame first then bouced on ground then hits the racket. It s a though situation. At certain point looks like the ball bounced on ground first then hits the racket and shot is ordinary. We cannot blame referee and we cannot blame draper.
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Yes we can! You hear the difference! the ump could have closed his eyes and still made the right call! A ricocheting ball bouncing into the court creates a loud and unique sound that is very different from a ball landing on the court and then being half volleyed! Just listen to the sound of the serve bounce, it's far less audible than the bounce of the return even though the serve is a much harder shot. Do you play tennis?
Even after repetition people are still divided till now about the sitution. the situation is though and the referee decided it s a legitimate point and we should respect referee decision. This is how tennis rules are and this is how tennis is played from decades.
@@koooravideos5674 i repeat my question: do you play tennis? For anyone with a decent amount of experience on the court this is NOT a tough question. You recognize it as soon as you hear the bounce and see the trajector. That's why Felix didn't even bother to run after the ball. That's how obvious it was to pros and experienced players.
@@al1976-v7mthe only justification for you is felix reaction. If you played tennis as you pretend you would not say that. We cannot use an oppenent or a player reaction to justify something. It needs a real proof. That's Very bad.
Too hard for the ref to see in real time. I would say, in the spirit of fair play, Draper should have conceded the point to Felix.
I don't understand. Did the ball hit the ground twice? What's the problem?
The ball hit the racquet and then the ground. FAA was robbed.
@@abhayjha6709 oh, now I get it. I thought it was the other way around. Thank you!
這個球根本沒有觸到拍面！
也就是說著地與拍框切球也許同時！
但、如果是地板的反作用力、裁判就不能判定是有效擊球。因為球的彈跳確實有問題⋯⋯
觸地同時切球在自己的場地內！都是失分的⋯⋯
Félix Auger-Aliassime很紳士❤
Draper needed to ask himself, what would Alcaraz do in this moment? Kyrgios would have conceded the point immediately too.
Draper: "if i lost the point then i am willing to replay it".
What a hero
Why is this an illegal shot? I can't understand, can someone explain it pls
it hit his raquet then floor then his raquet again use x0.25 slowmotion
It’s easy to see the ball go into the ground on replay but Draper was running and swinging so I’m not sure he knew it hit before it bounced back up off his racket. We need replay in tennis. It’s obvious in the replay that it is Felix’s point.
Nope. It showed the ball only hit the ground one time. Then it hit his racket and went up and over the net.
@@JadeK297 you need glasses or you are trolling hahaha
right there at :50 .. the ball hits the ground
The umpire just needs to do his job.
The ball touched the racket then floor then racket then net.
It looks like the ball hit the racket and ground at the same time en then hit the racket again. It’s one motion, idk what the rules are but I think the ball hit the racket 2 times so if that not allowed in one move then it’s not a fair point.
No hawkeye in Cincinnati Open? What a shame.
Can the ATP fire that umpire immediately? There have to be consequences for bad decisions.
Drapper earned a few bucks and ranking points but lost way more, respect from his fellow ATP players. Bad choice.
Unfortunaly Draper was not looking at the ball because, as we all know, the ball is the last thing you look in professional tennis.
The shot looked fair to me
Even amateurs know it when they didnt make the shot. I understand sometimes you play by the ref because everyone gets bad calls all the time; however, in this situation, it's a bad look since there are cameras everywhere.
Prečo to televízia nedali k dispozícii? Veď sa to odrazilo už zo zeme a on to odohral… 🥴
I am looking the slow motion motion replay in slow youtube motion. Still unsure. I think both players were gentlemen, particularly Felix. Though for the referee.
Draper was far from a Gentleman here. If he had been, he would have conceded the point.
The umpire couldnt wait more to go eat his donuts..Tennis needs a VAR.
Draper He was supposed to be a man, And admit that the point is not his. True, you won, but you lost the love of the people, which is more valuable than the prize.
Awesome FAA 👏👏👏
Hmmm is it because of the double bounce noise? I guess it sounded like it was being jammed between the racquet and court. Really hard to tell with the low frame rate footagek
What was the chair thinking
The the ref admit his mistake to FAA after he réviséd the play
People say it’s not Draper’s call. Draper said he wasn’t looking. Funny that Felix saw it and he is playing. Umpires should be able to check video. Umpire said I’ll check later and he’ll apologize if he was wrong.
@@tennisgrip-t8o announcer Robbie Koenig knew it immediately as well.
Yes and that's because you hear the difference! It creates a much louder bounce on the floor since the ball hits it perpendicular.
Draper knows, even without looking.
Get rid of the UMPIRE..and ATP get replays NOW
draper is a player not an umpire
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