Vintage CB360T vs Modern CB300R - Motorcycle Evolution Test
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2020
- It's grandpa vs grandson this time. They might have 45 years between them, but they’re essentially the same motorcycle aimed at the same buyer. The real question is - have motorcycles gotten better or worse?
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"holy and unafraid of water...like Jesus" Whoever writes the scripts for these videos is a god damned genius. A funny genius
the word "holy" is a double take so you could replace one with the other and the joke still stands
Ryan F9 and his camerman, they do it all. Ryan writes all the scripts. And as you can tell, he is a legit genius. I am certain they made this video for me, since I just started working on my CB360 a couple weeks ago, and it's been my new obsession. Coincidence??? Yay!
@@9inchpp yeah. We all got that, dude.
I'm in no rush, I'll take the CB360 (actually the earlier CB350 is more to my liking). As always, a great video , Ryan! It'll get you there but with a little more soul and comfort. That's why I bought my W800 Street over modern styled bikes. Love it.
He writes his own scripts ;D
I worked in the motorcycle industry for 27 years both retail and manufacturing dealing with Japanese, European, and American brands. Your analysis of the economy, engineering, physics, design, and marketing of the motorcycle industry superior to anything out there. You are the best.
My first bike was a twin Honda CB175 when I was 18, I went up to a Goldwing 1100, but for the past 15 years I'm driving a Honda CM400 1980 twin and fully appreciate the rugged and simple design that is still working fine after 41 years. At 60, I don’t see myself on another bike. Everything I learn on that channel is extremely relevant and informative. Thanks.
15 years for me...30 years ago! And I agree 100 percent!
Totally agree ! A kind of analysis not found anywhere else on the web. Superb !
I remember trying someone's CB360 twin back in the late 70s. It was raining. The gravel road was a bit muddy. I took it out in a muddy paddock and did some feet-up donuts. It handled well. I liked it. I had a '74 XL350 then upgraded to a 1980 XR250 that had less torque but more of everything else except weight (and I think mine had the factory performance kit fitted by the original owner). Now I have a CRF250L Rally which fills much the same niche (even more so in non-Rally form) with similar power, slightly more weight (which gets you electric start, water cooling, disk brakes with ABS, much bigger tank) and also half the fuel consumption and 8x the maintenance interval. The XL350 was almost exactly $1000 I believe, the CRF250/300L now are $5500 (ABS, non-Rally). Internet says the CPI ration 2021:1974 is 4.5 so, yeah, we're paying slightly more now. (Note: the mid 70s XL250 was seriously underpowered, and I didn't have one ... so I'm using the 350 as the comparison)
Plus those simple vintage bikes are easy to fix. The new ones with all their electronics tend to decay much faster.
"Build the same motorcycle with old technology at lower cost"
Royal Einfield: "Hold my beer"
jajajaja sii
can get a brand new meteor or classic 350 for 4500.
Honda still does to! They got the same old 4 cylinder they always used on the same bike! They call it a retro now.
I love the design of this CB300R, but any 0 km 250 motorcycle in Brazil costs more than 20 minimum wages, this beautiful timeless design would coust approximately 35 minimum wages.
Royal Enfield sucks and is shit
Reason why the Royal Enfield is doing so well is exactly that it's an actually old tech motorbike at a low upfront and maintenance cost.
Just what Ryan ordered 😁
Conversely, a big reason Harley Davidson's struggling is that they're selling old tech bikes for cutting edge tech prices.
Royal Enfield's Classic 350 has an MSRP of $4600, the CB300R in this video is $5,050, that 10% discount is even less when you consider that OTD costs are going to be something like 7k for both bikes after fees and the stealerships gets their pound of flesh. New bikes, even beginner ones, are not affordable at all for most people.
@@tstartrekdude I wonder why it's like this in canada , in india cb300r is 5100$ whereas classic 350 is 3700$ .... it's pretty significant price difference(I mentioned this price including all tax , insurance ,etc )
@@ankitsharma203Because they can, I assume. They know someone in Canada that considers buying a Royal Enfield is doing so because they like the look of it, not because it's cheaper than a Honda.
I've looked at them in Sweden too, but they're just way too expensive. I'd rather get a Ninja300 or similar, it's significantly cheaper up front.
That said I am still riding a GSX400 from 1983, so I absolutely agree with the video and an Enfield would be a slight downgrade, at least in power.
@@LarsaXLenfield will be a downgrade in power, handling and finish levels.
“Who got the better deal?”
The dealership! They sold 2 bikes and have been open for literally generations.
good ole stealership
Many have closed.
I can tell you which one is marked up more!
We dealerships have to make money as well, or you wouldn't have anywhere to buy new bikes :P
@@memewizard8372 you make enough on servicing alone, since we can't do repairs ourselves anymore with all the useless electronics onboard.
The production value of these videos is equal to many TV documentaries.
Or better...
I would counter that the production and script are WAY above and beyond most tripe offered by "documentary type" channels on TV.
How big is his team and how do they do it with the budget they have?
@@eduardosturla the witty yet well thought out script is what made me a fan... even though he's Canadian
Just playin, No hate
The finest channel on RUclips regardless of subject ..
I'm yet to find anything remotely close .
I bought a 350 Honda for $795.00 in 1968 after I got back from Vietnam. Compared to what was available, it was way beyond what they offered. It would go slightly over 100mph and had a 10, 500 redline and seemed fast to me until the 750 Honda came along. Excellent job doing the comparison between the old and the new versions.
That 360 T was my first bike, same color and everything! It was a 76 and I paid $650 for it used in 1981. It came with 3500 miles on the clock and was one of the most reliable bikes I ever owned. Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Great video as always, love the channel.
I'm grandpa, 63. Loved this video more than you will ever know, very nicely done. I'll take the twin thank you.
Grandpa here 67. I'll take the old bike any day. I road a cb 350 from Chicago to Vegas with 6 harleys quess what bike didn't have any problems
A bike like this just needs an upgrade in brakes ;-)
I actually bought that exact 360 off Ryan for my dad. It’s his favourite bike by far!
I am 64 but not grandpa (I never had kid... Also I don't see myself as a grandpa !) and I take the CB300R, the CB360T was a shitty bike !
@@jacksontaylor5664 sweet
Bruhhhhh 100 on editing. Someone get this man a Netflix or HBO show!
He and his team are impecible. I don't even have a bike and I just want to watch nonstop. And the knowledge provided is second to none. I learned so much with this video.
Why? He's doing just fine here.
Agreed!
Why? its free here.
Why, so the "experts" could give "input" and change his show by telling what to say and bend his opinion to advertisers.
I own my grandfathers old 72 TS185. Compared to all the dirtbikes I've ridden, it is by far the most agile out of the dirtbike world. Not sure how really, but it feels weightless almost. All the new bikes are so bulky and tall, I feel like a turtle on them, but then I get back on the 185, and it feels like I'm part of the bike
I'm a Canadian from Vancouver living in Australia - love your videos bro! The humour and shots of Vancouver and top-shelf analysis are awesome! Keep up the good work! I like how you tied the purchase price of the bike into the real life economic considerations of consumers - next level =)
Im just glad the new one has a round headlight. Long live the round headlight!!!
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. Any other shape seems unnatural.
I agree i got the 2017 model and the v shape headlight isn’t my favorite
i want a square headlight tho
"Holey and unafraid of water, like Jesus" Bro you're killin' me
Ha ha ha ha ha
And they'll both save you ✝️
Its these quips that brings me to Fort9
I was rolling on that one!!
That's exactly what Jesus said to Romans...
RPM is important, but so is a 24% displacement advantage for the older bike (356cc vs 286cc), which was worth a mention.
CB300R makes up for that 24% lower displacement with EFI. It‘s only a 12.5% difference in power for 24% higher displacement. 🤷♂️
@tw1st3d35 it's more about head design than it is EFI vs. carb. A well tuned carb will often run more efficiently than EFI. All "new bikes" definitely have an extra 40 years of head design worked in, though.
Also, Ryan's stated power output of both bikes may be incorrect. For the CB300R he said 28hp, Honda UK states 31 @ 8500 rpm. Most websites seem to agree the 1975 CB360T runs at 34hp @ 9000 rpm. Whether 3 or 4 hp difference, the weight is gonna have the biggest impact.
Making a good YT video is a very rare skill, but obviously comparing 2 numbers is a even more rare skill.
@@holmiumh I can't figure out what your comment means unless I assume you are an ass, which I would rather not do. What are you trying to say?
Every of these videos are like separate movies about the motorcycles industry. All of them are filled with love and passion. I always enjoy watching them. Thanks a lot!
This is old Top Gear level of a motor show review.
I disagree simply because I hated old Top Gear but love this.
no way, this has actual information and not just macho bullshit.
Maybe not “old” top gear, you are right that sucked. New top gear before they where fired/quit.
@@edwardspan396 when I say 'old top Gear' I mean the one with that insufferable prick that is Jeremy Clarkson.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 Show us on the doll where Jeremy touched you.
Ryan - you're a wordsmith, poet, and a genuine engineer. Incredible content.
Yes, I agree, nice way to put it Mr Graeme Morrison. Another informative and entertaining episode...
@@jonathanwearne so true
If you like bikes or not, this is just really high quality content. Even with no interest in bikes or knowledge of them you can still just be entertained
I agree 100%.
This is an excellent video in all facets - concept, narritive, tests, engineering advances, analysis, and of course production value. Very well done!
It's so cool seeing the bike that I first started riding on back in 1986 in current videos driving on the roads! My bike was a garage find (hidden in the back of a garage at a yard sale). I rode it for 5,000 miles in 2 months as I went from beginner license to full license. Thanks for another excellent video!
"Ineffective at emergency situations, like our politicians."
Nothing Noone if American politicians were a braking system, they’d just be the piston dragging on rusted calipers after sitting in a field for a decade.
Ryan wins the quote of the new decade!
Best comparison ever... He could be Brazilian. 😅😅😅
@@averysdaddy05, you got me by surprise, I startled my family laughing!
America ain't the only country on earth.. .NEWS FLASH I KNOW....
I think I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again: F9 is the best thing to come from Canada since Rush
Got to listen to me some Red Barchetta now
Well said but I'd also add Guess Who to the list.
Mac demarco?
Bryan Adams, anyone?
You're all wrong. the correct answer is John Candy.
A big applause for the whole team. I've seen several of your videos and the quality is excellent! This one is phenomenal.
When I first started watching your videos, I didn’t think much about it… they were entertaining nothing more nothing less. Over time, I’ve noticed the quality, the telling of a tale, and what must be a lot of effort to get the right shot…or edit. I’m amazed really. Great job! And, I’m still entertained.
5:48 I feel like the cameraman really wanted to film that dog.
I think that dog wanted to mark its territory on that back tire :)
100% Priorities eh.
9:02 stalking
Wonderful happy stupid dog!
Why is the time stamp after it happens pls somebody explain to me why somebody would do this
This is the most articulate, interesting media on motorcycling I’ve ever seen. This young man is talented. I hope someone pays him well.
Valid point ~ yet he's still kinda a jerk...so for himself he should work.
@@JTA1961 wow, relax. 😂
@@theoldleafybeard No he's kind of right. He has done business with Brett Tkacs, who is essentially a professional scam artist.
Brett sucessfully advocated for stricter motorcycle licensing laws. The new law? That you must take one of Brett's classes to get your motorcycle license! They're $900 in total.
Exceptional review and comparo - 10/10, extremely well done. Congrats! Thank you and cheers from Sydney Australia.
Your enthusiasm for motorcycles, wry sense of humour and creative sense is timeless. Not to mention very useful information. Entertaining, smart, content. Hardly any wonder this video got 1.7 million views. I wonder what it would be like to hear your take on other things...Cheers from an 70 year old sailing cruiser who once rode his fathers Honda 350 and thought it was a great replacement for his BMW 750R that was getting a bit too much for him as he got on...Thank you
Couldn't agree with that ending more!
He's the voice of the youth to all those big companies... thanks to him for that but will this video change anything? Hard to believe... :/
is that THE Flump
What are you doing on a motorcycle vid ? xD
:O
its The Fluump :0
Perfect: "Can you do this for three grand? Because that will sell motorcycling to the next generation."
Insane to think thats how much a new Grom or Monkey costs today :(
you can if you build your own get friendly with your local bike wreckers and build some cool stuff
Sure, buy the bike from China instead of Japan.
Daveinet you mean like BMW? That’s where they ended up building the 650s... at least the engine.
@@djw1091994 I was up for buying the 125 Trail Cub. £3600....Ye Gods
What a great case study on the evolution of motorcycles. I used to think a 360 was a big bike😬
In the 70s, a 360 was considered a medium size bike. 100s were small. 650 big. About 78, some CB350 Hondas were beating some 650s in the quarter.
First vid I’ve ever watched and gotta say I loved every second and all the footage and appreciate the explanations. This is from a car guy and am starting to appreciate bikes. Thanks
Ride one and you’ll have nightmares thinking about all the wasted time and money invested in boring cars.
I owned a 360t just loved it, when to Portugal with my fiance and camping gear, we had a wonderful time, we married, and years later divorced but I still love the 360
Call common motor in houston tx. Brendan supplies parts and tech advice for the old hondas. a maybe source a 360 for you
My friend had one in storage and he died.. I don't know what became of it.. I was supposed to help him get it out and get it running..
that sucks that you got a divorce hope your still fine
It's okay buddy, you deserve someone better.
Shoutout to whoever loaned Ryan and Aneesh their CB300R! Hope they kept their word and cleaned/filled her tank 😁
Aneesh?who is that?
@@maadhujovi9528 Cameraman/editor as far as I know.
Maadhu Jovi the guy behind the scenes who makes these videos so damn visually and structurally excellent
Herman was the man - thanks again Herman! ~RF9
@@FortNine hello fortnine😀😀himalayan review?
your videos are brilliant. im not even into motorbikes much, but your presenting is rivetting, your research and knowledge is amazing and whoever edits this... it blows my mind. subscribed!
That video took me back to 1979, I learned to drive as a newly licensed driver on my Honda CB360. I had a backrest attachment on mine and a windscreen, as well as a chrome pipe engine guard. Only laid it down a few times, but never hurt anything (much). Bike was a tank compared to the new plastic bikes. I think of that old bike all the time, it gave me the confidence and love of driving I still have today at 59. Only now I go out and jump on the Kawi 636 and get around quicker than ever.
Keep making videos, you are very good at it! Cheers
First, another gem. Great piece. Thank you.
I’m grandpa in this context being 60 years old. I have witnessed the entire progression first hand. Maybe we got a better deal back then, but there’s a big trade off. My first new motorcycle was a ‘74 Suzuki TM 125 (TM was forerunner to RM) and cost $725. US :-) Today, my MT-10 outperforms the most exotic machinery of 15 years ago with rock solid reliability. Its ugly with transformer eyes and plastic everywhere. But to me, the handling, braking, and acceleration are all worth it. I’d never want to go back to the performance of the 90’s, let alone the ‘70’s. Modern bikes are terrific, but too expensive to attract new riders. I think this was your point. Well taken. Keep up the good work, “Sonny” :-).
Most honest yet coherent comment I’ve seen here.
He is also not saying build all motos to the 70s standard we just need our entry level bikes to be built to the budget. Get somone in the door with a good experience for 2k and eventually they will want to spend ten. But as it sits a 5k beginner bike puts a lot of potential riders off and makes them either not ride or buy used.
I'm the same age Gramps, got to modify my first road bike in High School machine shop.
My first street bike in 1981 was a top heavy '77 Suzuki gs750. 7 bikes later my v-twin Vulcan with way better lower center of gravity and balance makes the twisties fun. 1500 for the Suzuki. 2500 for the Kawasaki...I'm not broke, still having fun
@@airglide2 honesty and coherency are made for each other.
"yet" is better off adding an i and hunting bigfoot in Nepal.
Moral of the story: Buy used, don't fret about perfection, have a blast.
Absolutely
If we all buy used and no one buys new, how can we buy used?
@@eleminohpee9078 supply and demand. Either they remove the bike, unlikely, dropped the price or realistically lobbying the govt to deal with old bikes...
@@eleminohpee9078 The manufacturers would be forced to reduce the price of new machines.
@@admiralbeez8143 Nope. If anything due to their loss of profits they would be forced to increase the price further.
I’m 47 and my dad had the same CB360 when I was a kid. I remember riding in the back of it with him. Awesome video Ryan! I couldn’t agree more on your comment at the end.
Your video's presentation are second to none mate. Keep up the great work as always. 👏
Will the new bike last 45years I wonder? 🤔
More like 5 years and then the scrap heap. In another 20 years the old 360T will still be desirable and the modern 300...totally forgotten?
not even almost xD
Khaffit hahaha 😂 love this comment
Probably not, it's a budget bike. Most of the old budget bikes aren't around either 🤷♂️
Why wouldn't it? With the same maintanance there's no reason it wouldn't last as long duhh...
Oh my morning just got better.
Oh my night just got better. 11:07 here brother. From Philippines!
My evening got better in Ireland lol
and my afternoon
Better morning in Brazil!
Just got back from work and its your morning..interesting.
Absolutely brilliant! Funny and packed with great info. Glad this came up in my feed, and I'm now subscribed!
I have a 72 CL350 and it is so much fun to ride. The "modern" 300cc class of bikes has absolutely no appeal to me personally but I thought your analysis was really good and very entertaining. Kudos.
👍
"holy and unafraid of water...like Jesus" lolll cracked me up
holey
Jesus created water. Why would He be afraid of anything?
And then he touched the discs! The pain!
@QuestionMan I bet Jesus himself would laugh at that.
@@lifted_above so his passion was just for show? I guess I don't feel so bad for him anymore. Thanks!
"Wages have been stagnant for 50 years but the cost of living has not" pointing that out will get you banned from them tube
@J G Too honest
Reason? The global scam of the Federal Reserve.
I've been saying this for a couple of decades now. The bikes haven't fundamentally changed all that much, it's more evolutionary. The manufacturers need to work on price before the kids loose interest and live in the digital realm.
all hail the holy oyveytube overlords
@@mtnmotoadv Pay no attention to the hat behind the curtain. Oh and he's funding a revolution against you also. Interesting times, but are they any different than my grandfather's era....no, same crooks.
This is the best comparison video on motorcyles I have watched till date. Kudos!
Excellent video! Very well produced, shot and presented with the salient facts demonstrated. Great job!
9/9 for production quality.
5/7
8/8
All I ever think about is Boobies.
@@LTLT900 That will change after you buy some. You'll get over it.
Wow! I was really surprised how well the old brakes held up. As a rider for decades, I can tell you young-uns that the biggest improvement has been tyres. Modern tyres (even cheap ones) are incredible compared to the stuff we had back in the 80s.
yeah back in the early eighties blow outs were common on heavy cars and tread wear was just awefull.
You never used Dunlop K81.
Pirelli, Michelin.
@@edwardroberts8761 Continental, Heidenau, Metzeler.
@@C4H10N4O2 they were great too. The shop I worked at didn't really stock them.
@RyanF9 I just want to say I think this is one of the best videos on RUclips. It captures the whole idea so perfectly and pays homage to both bikes. I love the content and you inspire me to be a Moto Vlogger!! Excellent analysis and top notch reporting. The metrics you used to test these was impeccable.
Thanks for the trip down memory lane! Educational and great production value on the video, great job. I loved my CB360T except on those long freeway rides where the vibration would put my nether region to sleep, oh the tingling! It was a great all purpose bike. Thanks again. Do you have a similar video for the trusty CB750K? That was my next bike and it was a beast in full glorious Vetter dress. My last bike was the V65 Sabre and comparatively it was a rocket.
Best motorcycle content on RUclips
Thanks i try my best on every video so you guys can enjoy
Amen.
Not sure why you needed to add the word motorcycle in there. Best content on RUclips in general.
Correction, best motorcycle content anywhere..
I would some of the best content PERIOD!
Thanks for the memories! I had a friend, that had that same bike, we use to go on rides together. I was 15, with a CL 175, he was an older retired man, and his 360 was new. Years ago I happened to see him, and he said "now he's too old to ride a motorcycle, and he wished we had taken a lot more rides together". My Neighbor, Mr Evans
That doesn’t sound creepy at all
@@queenbee7074 It's a sad story of a nice old Man
@@queenbee7074 We live in dire times wenn everything out of the ordinary is immidiately suspect. The man obviously has fond memories, so nothing creepy.
I wander what dark secrets many people hide wenn they scream 'creepy!'
But you obviously were joking.
Still cruising on an 82 Suzuki GS 750. Smooooth Reliable & recommended! 👍
@@Bellathebear777 I had some UJM's including a new Suzuki GS550, it was awesome! Mine was a 78.
Yet another excellent production, thank you! My first was a 1967 Honda Sport 50. It was a quite excellent motorcycle which I took home brand new for less than $400. On a fun per dollar factor, that's really tough to beat.
Very good video, very informative and your narrative even had some humor to it. I look forward to more of your work
Fortnine: sell yesterday's motorcycle for less money
Motto Guzzi and Triumph: sell yesterday's motorcycle for more money
Triumph? I think harley fits better
@@ericiglesias4313 sell caveman technology for a kidney
@Markus Holler to be fair yes, :)
but they'll never give fortnine one to review :(
Don't forget Harley: sell yesterday's motorcycle for more than you'd spend on a car.
@@joshbobst1629 to be fair their entry levels aren't too bad, 9-10k
his videos feel like everyone is happy in this world and enjoying their sundays.
I’ve watched just about every video on your channel, looking forward to more! I’m taking the MSF course next weekend and I can’t wait to ride
Very nostalgic. CB360 was my first motorcycle in 1975. Best thing I did to it was eventually put in electronic ignition. Freed up oodles of time previously spent lightly filing & polishing the ignition points every two weeks! My CB360 was so special. It put out more power & had a pleasant rumbling sound compared to other CB369's.
"You'll die before you'll ever need to replace one of these, but that day may come sooner than you like."
5:16 "Current disks are holy and therefore unafraid of water, like Jesus." Best thing I've ever heard HAHAHAA
I heard it as hole-y...guess that could work too.
@@lukecalumlyonwrath7723 "Holey" would be the correct of spelling it if he didn't add the "like Jesus" comment at the end, turning it into a joke.
Loved this one, very well put young man!
More than ever...this has to be the most powerful video you've put together. (Some of us are strapped for cash) I purchased my first bike ever this year, a 2022 yamaha xt250. The money I saved in gas payed for a third of the bike this year and I was clueless at the beginning of the transition. Videos like yours made it easy and with peace of mind. Thanks for the content.
5:45 i appreciate how the cameraman panned a bit to follow the dog, and you left it in the final cut.
1973 CB 350 was my first bike. At 16 yrs. of age I could take apart and repair anything on that bike. Such a simple machine.
Using the2022 cb350 great bike
Started off motorcycling on a new 1975 360 and loved it . Replacement shocks and tires helped . Did a 5000km trip in New Zealand with no problems . Great memories . Still riding at 66 with a Kawasaki Z900rs . Retro rules .
Amazing video! Your content is so professional
Being one of the grandpas that had the original this one has me written all over it. BTW I think a better comparison bould be with the new 500 twin rather than the same capacity single, as they are aimed at the same riding segment. The single is pretty much a commuter, the 350/360 was a open road bike. Hard to believe hey, young whippersnapper!
THE big difference between these two in the forks and chassis , if you are riding them. The old bike flexes like wet spagetti on twisties. You can watch the front froks twist under load. If you follow one, you can watch the rear wheel torsionally twist when cornering ( gotta love a thin round tubular swingarm). The wire wheels don't help...
The damping and springing on both is equally aweful, despite the intervening decades, but the original had pretty much no aftermarket options to help it.
The old drum on the rear would become completely useless as soon as it heated up, so you had ONE piston stopping the whole bike and that had truely aweful pad material.
Completely upside down is the fact that the modern single is MUCH smoother than the old twin ( if you want smooth try the twin current CB500f/r/x). The old bike vibrates and tingles to the point where we would put foam grips on to retain any feeling in our hands.
Despite the previous comment, I know several people that did the BIG Loop ( around the outside of Australia...sort of) on the 350 and 360 without a mech glitch. Tyres not included. I wouldn't like to do the same on the single.
You mentioned that the dropping of the cyl was for financial reasons. If that's the case, why do we still have the ridiculous transverse inline fours, that have to spin their tits off to go anywhere. Made sense when they were aircooled, but a water cooled TI-L4 is just wide for no reason. Don't get me wrong, I loved my CBR250RR ( the real one with 19000rpm 4cyl) ...ON A RACE TRACK, but on the road. Motors that require a million cc's to get any useful torque are just silly.
Absolutely love your channel BTW
Well said sir
Looking at the 300r as just a commuter us exactly what he is pointing out. The new generation of riders (us) use whatever bike we have for all types of riding. Very similar to how the older guys did back in the day.
Yup. I had me one of them there CB360s, too, back in the day. I had a lot of fun on that bike until somebody stole the instruments and all the handlebar controls by severing all the cables and wires with side cutters. As usual, speaking as a film maker and a 50 years rider on five continents: superb work in every respect. Always love to see you on my screen.
The current Honda 500 twins are future classics many of us will look back upon.
Agree absolutely on your comments on the handling. As someone who had GT 250's/GT750's and Honda CBX1000's they flexed like crazy. But, it was normal for us and we just rode around the issue. Great fun. Where I absolutely disagree with you is in regard to the inline 4. "Ridiculous" I have no idea how anyone can say that. Many of us prefer inline 4's, we love the high revs and you can ride them perfectly without being on a track. As for your comments regarding large cc to get useful torque, again many many of us like the characteristics of large capacity multi cylinder bikes. As someone who enjoys going up and down the gearbox I do it all the time on my multi that produces 114 lb.ft of torque. I, and many others dislike V twins etc.
The choice of words and the innuendos, make his narration hilarious. Love his style
He sounds like a cross between Rod Serling and Agent Smith.
Impressed by the quality and the technical explanations. 10/10
Man, your vids are truly amazing: text is great, jokes are sharp, photography is fenomenal and, of course, content is superb!
This man is right. Motorbikes are too god damn expensive nowadays.
kiki the gerbil in Cambodia, you can pick up a new Grom/MSX125 for less than $2500. Used ones goes for $900-$1200.
@@scinovlog9680 I saw the Kawasaki Versys 300 at a bike show in the Philippines when they first came out. I liked the look of it and converted the price to pounds ,what a bargain,IO was sold. They were announced in Britain a couple of months later with a price tag of nearly 40% more. If you think American prices are expensive take a look across the Atlantic.
Can confirm overseas pricing. In moto mad SE Asia, where incomes are far less than North America? The price is adjusted downward. Some of the features change, but you get the same engine and chassis. The prices are great bargain. Big three make it up on volume? There are other complex global market factors, too.
Inflation bois
The GPz900r was US$4,399 when released in 1984. Thats just $10,970 in todays money for a bike which pretty well left everything else on the road in its wake. The HR2 was $25,000.....
This has to be the most informative and highest production quality motorcycle channel on youtube.
Was coming here to say this but you beat me to it. Brilliant quality.
Agreed.
I have been looking for one of those little CB's for a while now. They are so perfectly competent, and capable for a commuter bike, and they look just beautiful, imo.
True story. I swear.
I was in Trev Deeley Motorcycles on Broadway in Vancouver in about 1979 (the time that AMF owned HD...a sad era in HD history) . I was looking at HDs for shirts and giggles and couldn't understand why they were soooo expensive. I was and have been a lifetime Honda rider to this day.
I overheard a salesman and a potential buyer. The customer asked "Where is the tool kit?"
The HD salesman said "There isn't one."
The buyer said " Really? Why not?"
The salesman said "Harley Davidson builds the best motorcycles in the world. They don't need a tool kit."
I nearly pissed myself laughing as I headed to the door.
Honest to God, true story.
And that friends, is why Royal Enfield 650's are going to sell like hell!!!!
Would love to see a comparison of the Interceptor 650 with a 70s Commando or late 60s Bonnie
And the interceptor has 270 crank which will sound good
Randail Lizarte not as good as a Commando or Bonnie with the 360 crank though although a 360 crank has other issues it does sound amazing.
Honda has come up with a similar modern classic CB350 here in India . Hope that does well
Damn, a month late hahaha
I knew somebody would think of that too, they seem like a great idea now
I never comment. But man, I have to say these films are amazing all around every single time
Films they are indeed!
That was as informative as it was entertaining. Well done brother, well done 👏
your content is great! your creativity is over the top. How you guys keep coming up with cool ways to show your content.
I love how this video has an actual conclusion and an Actual Answer to the question!!
“Beauty is beholden to the age of the eye”
Good channel. Covers everything and explains in a language everyone can understand regardless if you know motorcycles or new to them.
Just watched this video again and it’s brilliant 👏👏👏
My mind says modern, but my heart says classic.
And my bank says:"Walk!"
go for a royal enfield 650.
@@punavmirlekar I have an XSR900 🤣
@@adiohead dammm! i thought you were looking to buy a motorcycle haha! i suggested RE because it is low tech. ... anyway! happy & safe riding mate
@@punavmirlekar even the metallurgy is low tech ... and low quality
The BBC should have grabbed this guy to take over Top Gear - he is the new Jeremy Clarkson but without the needless insults. Genius.
yes! absolutely!! give this man his own show.... wait, he already has that here... put this there!
neeless insults is what we need
Yeh I agree a good insult can be a thing of beauty - but Clarkson often stepped well over the line being racist, sexist etc.
Oh Dildo - like when he comes out with “eeny, meeny, miny, moe, catch a n****r by the toe” or calls a guy in Thailand a “slope” and the time he claimed a UK politician who had lost an eye in an accident was a “one eyed idiot”.
@Dildo Baggins How noble of you, Dildo.......
Rewatching this little masterpiece once every couple of month, love it
The perspectives are great. The writing, however, is absolutely top notch for entertainment value. Well Done Dude!
As a fifty-something former motorcyclist, I chuckled at this. A very nice little production.
Beam frames, drilled discs, forks that didn't flex.... they were all a dream or a fantasy back then, so we didn't know what we didn't have because it wasn't out there.
A nice
"Mixing every known metric with a hockey stick." That was pure genius. Great video in understandable terminology.
Hands down you're putting out great work
I LOVE your videos.
They are all so professional, and although I am 72 with 56 years Biking experience, I STILL learn something in every one.
Well done.
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5:53 who else tried to wipe their screen thinking its a hair.
100% Blew on the screen
I admit my foolishness.
Hello, my name is Patrick, and I too was fooled.
Same
I thought it was just me.
I remember taking my new wife across Canada in the early 80’s with all our camping gear....and never having a problem with the ct360 we rode...awesome
It amazes me how Ryan and the Fortnine editing team make even the video subjects I initially disregarded as disinteresting very entertaining to watch. Going through and watching all of Fortnine's videos now, and loving every minute of it. I wish we had more motorcycle content creators stateside that could even come close to this level of production quality. Hats off to you guys.
My first motorcycle was a '75 CB360T. Your assessments are spot-on, with a couple of minor niggles. That shiny front brake disc was made of stainless steel, so it would stay pretty. The problem with stainless is that it has the coefficient of friction of wet ice. Yeah, caliper and pad technology have improved, but there's a reason why the best discs aren't made from stainless.
An excellent explanation of chassis stiffness, but I'm wondering if those fork tubes have grown in diameter (and, hence, stiffness) in the last 45 years.
The 360s had a reputation for weak camshaft oiling. I'm certain that Honda has learned a lot about reliability since 1975.
I'd love to have that pretty '75 in your video for some nostalgic puttering around on a Sunday afternoon, but for daily thrashing the newer bike would be my first choice.
If motorcycling was a religion , he would be the Messiah 🔥
holy and unafraid of water
God more like 😅
Riding his motorcycle on water.
He'd wheelie across the Atlantic with a hypermotard , Messiah style
@Khaffit cause u don't get life of Brian references
"Chrome, chrome, chrome, chrome
Plastic, plastic, plastic, plastic".
Love that chrome🤤
kiki the gerbil agreed I like the look of the new bike but I guess that’s cause I’m young
@kiki the gerbil No it aint.
Plastic is lighter than chrome and doesn't rust. It might not look as good, but functionally it's much better.
Aesthetically its up to the one observing how it looks, but getting a better performance with less material that also costs less is a beauty in itself from an engineering standpoint.
Also chrome looks just boring.
Love it, love it, LUV IT! Absolute Genius shooting a NEW vs vintage motorcycle comparison using NEW and vintage camera, aspect and film/developing, all the while comparing them fairly. I agree wholeheartedly: the CB300R is a fine machine-but the CB360T is a fine machine with fond memories. Can not put a price on that. Keep up the good work: you guys might really GO somewhere!
Love the Video. I actually own both a 2021 CB300R AND a 1972 CB450K5. Can definitely tell the differences but do love the look of all the chrome on the older one.