Noel Cragg Plays Brubeck on Daskin Janko Keyboard
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Noel Cragg is playing the Daskin Janko prototype MIDI controller at his home in the San Francisco bay area. The music is the first half of Dave Brubeck's "Strange Meadow Lark." In addition to being an excellent musician, Noel is also a brilliant electronic and software engineer. I'm very grateful for his help in developing the keyboard.
For more info about the Janko Keyboard:
• Demonstration of 4-Row...
-Paul Vandervoort
man still replies to comments even after more than 9 years, what a legend
finally
Piano 2
That's lovely playing
The run at the 3 second mark and how you raised your right hand, that's how I knew you were a great player. Truly excellent.
This thing has so much potential, and yet there is also a great probability that it will not gain the media exposure it deserves once released. It might be interesting get forward-thinking keyboard players with social media visibility such as Jordan Ruddess on board to put the Daskin in the spotlight. It might also be an idea to use crowdfunding to give this a final push. You already have working prototypes and rather mesmerizing performance videos so it's clear this ain't vaporware.
you know why? Because the fucker holds 7 patents for it, so basically it will never see the light of day. IP is what kills innovation
Oh you dear soul Janko keyboards like these and even better ones have existed on and off since the 80s, they never got the attention nor sales they deserved, there's no will not about it, it simply hasn't
Finally the piano breaks free of the diatonic slavery! I'm sure Joseph Schillinger would have been thrilled to see this thing.
Schillinger certainly would! As well as his fellow Leon Theremin, and other revolutionaries such as Busoni and Varèse :)
He was born four years after the keybord was put into production.
Pianos are chromatic.
"Niccolo Vicentino and his 1545 Enharmonic keyboard crying in the corner"...
estoy convencido de que ésto ayuda a perder una distinción fundamental entre cada nota, si todas son iguales entre si INCLUSIVE en el teclado, perdemos mucha apreciación de cada nota (porque yá con el temperamento igualado es difícil crear relaciones sensoriales entre cada nota, el teclado "heterogeneo" ayuda en ésa falencia del temperado) Es un interesante ejercicio, pero le veo más ventajas a una forma tan poco homologada como lo es el teclado clásico, más que una esclavitud fué un palo tutor de la música occidental.
I can't wait until it comes out! So excited!
So is it out now? And is it great? ❤
Fantastic!
I lose all of my enthusiasm to study piano after I saw this! 11 times less learning, 11 times more time to practice musical ideas! Where to buy?
I don't have any to sell right now.
Check out:
facebook.com/groups/janko.piano
Dutch Janko Piano Builder:
kaduk.nl/#custom
GREAT
Yay Noel! That's so lovely!
Fabulous. Great to see it finally in working prototype. Let me know if you want publicity.
I'm amazed :-) I want more !
The standard keyboard is flawed yet evolution seems prevented because manufacturers stick with it. I cantthink of a solution but seeing keyboards like this prove there is definitely a better way to accommodate the human hand in terms of producing music.
Paul, when you and Noel come up with some progressive exercises to help develop ease with this keyboard let us fans of this keyboard know. I REALLY want to see you at the Gilmore Keyboard Festival in two years.
Awesome!
The key here to playing this is the keys. The placements look complicated but they seem to remain in pattern! Very Jarring indeed and seemingly impressive.
I thinking with 3D printing, it may be possible to print out an overlay keyboard over a regular keyboard to easily adapt an existing digital keyboard to this layout. I'm going to think about this and see what I can do :)
Several people have made Janko-similar keyboards using 3D-printed keys. facebook.com/groups/janko.piano
Hi I really want to start on the Janko keyboard........ I am a music teacher and Alto guitar player, but I like the teaching of janko.... I would like to play with harpsichord sound........
I really really really want to buy one of those!!! let me know when these keyboards are ready please......... best regards
Can you put this on kickstarter please so we can give you money and you can build it and we can actually buy it?
Aaron Moore none of those are janko, and the push is mainly mpc inspired which explains the layout.
Con este teclado se completa la secuencia de teclados con el sistema Jankó desde 2 hileras hasta 6. Dos hileras, teclado electrónico simétrico ( o equilibrado); tres hileras, teclado uniforme para acordeones (Reuther 1953); cuatro hileras piano Jankó y acordeones de botones (Austria ? años 50); cinco hileras teclado electrónico Daskin Jankó y seis hileras, pianos Jankó tradicionales antiguos y modernos.
I think Stevie Wonder, Barry Manilow & Eddie Palmieri would all like that keyboard instrument.
i can't even play normal piano let alone this intimidating thing.
Despite its appearance, it's actually made to be easier ! Same fingering on all keys.
La parte del cumbamchero que se va está buena
Hallo Mr. Vandervoort, where can i buy thid keyboard?
Noel & I are still developing our prototypes. You can find my email address at daskin.com. Please send me an email. I will put you on our mailing list, and let you know when there is significant news.
so any news on when this will come out?
I have a Chromatic Labs Synth with Janko keyboard in it, but i'd much rather have one like shown in this video. the keybed in mine is more like an accordion and all keys are white, no black ones which can get confusing.
I have been working on Strange Meadowlark for a long time. Is it any easier on this?
I've never played Strange Meadowlark. But I have found most music is easier on a Janko.
@@skiptop1000 Strange Meadowlark has wide chords and those long arpeggio/glissando runs. All of that looks much easier on the Janko...
Synthstrom Deluge has a new isomorphic keyboard
, maybe too small for you, but worth a look.
It might be helpful to post WHY this is a better keyboard layout. (I already know) But others who are watching this might (and probably will) think to themselves "why this strange layout?"
Thanks for the suggestion, Larry. I added a link to the comments above.
ok I'll take the bait - so why the strange layout?
Tom Parish
One of the things a musician has to be able to do is play songs in multiple keys.
Playing any musical instrument is largely about finger positions and muscle memory. Events happen too fast to 'think' which finger needs to go in a particular position. So hours and hours of practice are required to 'learn and program' the finger and hand positions.
Today's piano keyboard requires a musician to learn a different finger or hand position for EACH AND EVERY KEY that a song will be played in.
This means that to play a song in all twelve keys, you need to learn the song using twelve DIFFERENT finger and hand positions.
As you can imagine, many people give up in disgust because of the difficulty in learning (much less remembering) the different finger and hand positions.
This keyboard layout allows the musician to learn the finger and hand positions of ANY song ONCE, and then be able to play that song in ANY key without changing ANY finger positions.
Why this isn't adopted as the STANDARD for piano keyboards is because TRADITION is a rampant virus flowing through the veins of music schools. Clearly, this is a better piano keyboard layout and makes much more sense.
However, the same could be said of the DVORAK computer keyboard layout as compared to the QWERTY typewriter layout. It has been proven over and over again that the DVORAK keyboard layout is a MUCH faster way to enter letters via humans than a QWERTY layout. But people are not learning it because of the 'tradition' virus.
There have been a few brave companies who have adopted this piano layout, but because of economics (i.e. money dictates policy) humans experience (once again) sub-standard interfaces.
If I was starting out again learning piano now, I would learn THIS piano layout.
And if I was starting out again learning how to type, I would learn the DVORAK keyboard layout.
I'm sure this will incite flames... so flame away - You'll only be proving you're infected with the virus.
Larry Seyer Yes this is true of any human (or computer) interface. It only has to be first and good enough, and it isn't worth the hassle to relearn a superior alternative, as you mention with DVORAK. With computer keyboards this is especially true, since they are not even the primary input device anymore. If I had invested any time in learning piano, I definitely would not relearn a Janko layout - there's only so much time. But I and a whole new generation of musicians do not have this problem, as long as word gets out about the advantages and improved playing capabilities and improvisation that could be demonstrated due this better design. I mean, the keyboard layout IS the entire interface to the piano, so it is THE primary concern.
The perfect keyboard layout. What a shame Mr. Jenkó's innovation never really kicked off.
Can you play this when you know ’normal’ piano?
Or would I have to start al over again?
The fingering is different, so if you can play this song on a regular keyboard, you would have to learn the new fingering on the Janko. But then transposing the song would be easy (unlike on a regular keyboard).
Scroll to the bottom here:
daskin.com/page5/page1/page1.html#Why_81_Notes
Sounds great! Where can keyboards like this be purchased? :)
Albert - Thanks for the kind words. Sorry, Noel & I are still doing engineering work and assembling a few prototypes. None for sale yet. Please send me an email. My email address is at daskin.com. I will put you on the mailing list.
@@skiptop1000 this is very exciting! Good luck. I'll have to stick to my custom-made version for now!
whatever came of this? It would be nice to see this reemerge!
Our new Janko midi controllers are under development. We don't have any to sell at this time.
The project is being carried out on a small budget, so things are not going quickly, I'm sorry to say. I published an update on the Janko Facebook page last year:
facebook.com/groups/1616198521972516/posts/2948003032125385
More recently, Noel has had some changes in his personal life, so I'm taking over more of the electronic and software development duties. I may be seeking assistance with these tasks in the next few months.
Where do I buy a janko keyboard tho?
Go to daskin.com & send me an email. I'll let you know when Daskin keyboards are available. In the meantime, go to facebook.com/groups/janko.piano
What's the dusty junk keyword?
Want want want want want want...
When?
Please go to daskin.com, send me a message, and I will put your email address in my confidential mailing list. I'll let you know when there is news to report.
I did back in September.
You tease me, Paul.
Is this piano keyboard weighted like a real piano or are those synth style keys? If they're weighted I want one!
The keys are not weighted, but they have a "let-off" feel, so the resistance to downward motion decreases as the key moves downward.
Paul this is beyond fantastic to see your Janko MIDI keyboard up and playing. I've sign up a while back... hopefully you have my hotmail acct info.... I am in withdrawal... I want to see/hear more!!! I've been talking to keyboard instructors at the university in Kalamazoo. Now I have a couple of vid to forward to them.
is this like chromatone? also im wondering why some of the keys have different spacing diagonally? helps with ergonomics?
It's sort of like a Chromatone. The keys are bigger, and shaped differently. And each key moves independently. The note layout is essentially the same, except there is no chromatic row at the top.
None of the keys have different diagonal spacing. Maybe it looks that way because the key rows are terraced, like a wide staircase.
@@skiptop1000 oh i see maybe its just the camera angle. i was looking at this or the chromatone to buy. saw the lumatone but thats super expensive. i really want to try this key layout. is this for sale?
@@junglsmor Sorry, no. Still under development.
Hahaha
Finally piano players can feel the anxiety of guitar players.
How are dynamics implemented for the keys?
Not sure what you mean by "dynamics". Velocity and polyphonic aftertouch are read by an optical key-position sensing system.
Yup, I mean velocity with regards to the keys. Thanks!
Where can I buy this please?
Still in development. Sorry.
Bravo !!!!!!!
OK. Who left the Bôite Diabolique unlocked?
тю.
Я привык к обычной, старой, доброй молоточковой фортепианной клавиатуре. А это уже какоето извращение.
Ai could play for us...we don't need people
Player pianos have been around since 1896.
sounds good
Someone isnt the brightest around
we don't have to think....AI would do it for us@@themagicgoatboi