Season 4 is just a nightmare in Eve’s head, her scream at the end is waking up from it like she did in her very first scene. The real ending is the bridge scene at the end of Season 3, you decide from if Eve and Villanelle had their happy ending.
Have you heard any of the writers, directors, or actors say this on record? In all the interviews I've watched or read, no one involved with the finale has stated anything close to what you posted. If you came up with that on your own, they should have hired you to do damage control in the press, because your theory is absolutely genius. I think your explanation would have given fans a little bit of peace and maybe even hope that the characters could be revisited later.
@@Jumbaride There is a scene in the last Luke Jennings book (Killing Eve: Die for Me) where Villanelle drifts away under water, Eve can't reach her and then wakes up -- it just was a nightmare.
@@StefanThiesen I say we do a series starring Jodie Comer called "Villanelle". In the opening, we learn everything found in this thread and then move on to follow Villanelle after walking away from Eve on the bridge.
@@Jumbaride Aside from the practicalities (e.g. financing, rights, convincing JC) I'm not sure if the majority of thefandom would want to see Villanelle without Eve. The entire show, also the books, are driven by their mutual attraction. Also: not just this thread. There is a hell of a lot material at the Reddit Killing Eve section. Villanelle once said to Eve "Don't forget -- the only thing that makes you interesting is me." I'd say that goes in both directions.
@@StefanThiesen I respectfully disagree. There are plenty in the fandom who thought Sandra Oh overacted and would take or leave Eve. Since Sandra Oh has been emphatic in multiple interviews that she refuses to revisit characters, it seems the only path forward is continuing the adventures, romances, setbacks, and growth of everyone's favorite antihero. I am absolutely confident if Jodie Comer came back for a "Villanelle" series, the fandom would gladly jump on that train. Also, Jodie's star is much brighter now than it was, so I would imagine that her solo series would bring in a new audience as well.
I'm late to the party, but I just watched the finale last night. I HATED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only the fact that they 'buried their gay', but it was also just a stupid point to end it. As if Eve would have let that go. She would have made it her life's mission to find out who killed Villanelle and once discovering it was Caroline she would have ended her. That's at least another season right there. Anyway, I've rewritten it in my head, Eve and Villanelle are currently living in Cuba, retired and have a rescue pup called Kenny and a great wine collection.
I finished it last night I couldnt believe how bad that ending was, the amount of open storylines but in an annoying way not in a clever christopher nolan style "open to interpretations" way, unanswered questions detrimental to the story, pointless new characters that went nowhere, weird against type writing decisions, weird time jumps like she was helping married women kill their husbands one second next that whole thing is done, to me it was just sloppy, unfinished and rushed just a stupid ending
In the interview with the writers of Killing eve, they said they were trying to find a good way to end things and this just seemed like the most better ending. The title 'killing eve' was meant not physically but mentally killing eve at the end. Seeing villanelle gone killed her as a person and so, it starts making sense? The ending definetly was terrible but it was always going to lead up somehow
I just finished it as well and I’m fucking screaming. They give us a beautiful last couple of eps of happiness they fucking kill her. Jodie did such a good job with her role. So talented. I’ll really miss seeing her in this role even if I can read the books, which I hear are very different in terms of character portrayal. But damn I’m in shock with the ending
I'm late to the party too, so guess we're not alone then. I watched the finale two days ago and omg did I cry my eyes out. Seeing how happy Villanelle was with Eve only for her happiness to be taken away. In my head she only faked her death and went with Eve to Alaska where they can live together freely.
Jodie Comer is a a bad ass!! The way she portrayed Villanelle was mind blowing! I study psychopaths etc so I'll say this: They couldn't have had anyone but Jodie to play that part! 👏👏👏 well done!
It was just nice to hear jodie talk about that final episode I didn't enjoy season 4 although it had it's good points , I thought villanelle as a character was just gold dust and nobody knows what the future holds and to kill villanelle off was just pointless.
I agree, it was nice to finally hear her speak about it publicly and remain kind of impartial but showing how she felt about it. Also for josh to say "we've all seen everything" because I'm sure she has but it just confirms it hahah
Mixed? More like unanimously negative. Jodie Comer in her assessment of the piss poor final ending of Killing Eve without laying blame on anyone's door and her desired fate for the Villanelle character which never materialized she was as diplomatic as she possibly could be. Especially since as a rising star in both theatre and cinema, she's in no position to be that outspoken without the risk of burning bridges too early in her career.
@@stephsvids9812 Which is something she and the rest of KE's cast and crew will have to live down. Not that they'll care anymore. The whole of season 4 was a collection of missed free kicks.
I’m going to pretend the cast is going to come out if a few years and say they hated season 4 and want to pretend it never happened, like the L word cast did with season 6 of the L word
Good thing I figured out the ending before watching it. Couldn’t have handled Villanelle dying. Very interesting show idea altogether and blows the uniqueness for a love story out of the park. Married female detective falls in love with psychopath assassin she’s trying to arrest. Seems like an idea that couldn’t actually make a good script because of how goofy it is, but they did great for the first 3 seasons.
I just binged it as well. I don't think so, although that is a very interesting theory. When Carolyn asked her if Pam wanted the job she said no and walked away with a smile. Taking Konstantin's advice that Pam had options for a normal life and urged her to get out of " The Life". Feeling so guilty for killing him with a pizza cutter( nice touch ) after learning Helena was dead and she didn't need to kill him. She travels to Carolyn in person to deliver the letter. Fulfilling Konstantin's final wishes.
I have to hope some *brilliant soul* will come along and give us the happy closure we ache for and that Villanelle and Eve deserve. It doesn’t even need to be a whole season-a 2 hr special would do it...where Villanelle _does in fact_ crawl out of the River Thames or is found by Eve on the shore, they recalibrate and seek to take out Carolyn (a whole 11 1/2 of the 12, I feel like at this point 😑), take her out and finally the two of them get their happy ending.. even if it’s running back into a life of espionage with a morally questionable justice system.🖤
Villanelle doesn’t talk like this in the English version either. This is just how Jodie talks. Villanelle had a slight Russian accent in the English version too
I just wanted to see more, after Villanelle got killed. How Eve got on with life. But I find the Villanelle death quite relevant. I mean she's killed many people and got many enemies. What do you expect?
There is no mixed reaction to the ending of Season 4. Everyone outright is livid still of how S4 turned out. In fact, so much so that NO ONE considers it relevant. And that it should be done over and done properly. You can do the math on what properly means. I don't need to spoon feed you on that!
A lot of people didn’t like the ending, but I personally saw the ending as pretty inevitable and realistic. We saw throughout the whole show that she was incapable of maintaining relationships and led a very chaotic life due to her sadistic nature and occupation. Although it’s the nicer ending, when you think about it, it realistically doesn’t really make much sense for her going off and having a stable life/happy relationship with Eve to actually work out. (It was more of an unhealthy obsessions) I don’t think that her death takes away from how great her character was, and brought her story to a natural conclusion that she really was a pawn all along, and that it’s the creators of the game who always win in the end.
Villanelle died exactly as you said. An expendable chess piece. An aftermath would've been nice though. It would've given her adoring fans a chance to digest what happened and grieve alongside Eve at the same time.
Jodie is more awkward and contradictory talking about the show than Sandra. Sandra had strong opinions about how it should go and how it should end for Eve & Villanelle and as an Executive Producer she was a major influence on the show's writing. It was Sandra who suggested a lead should die to Laura Neal. The show ran with that for a while but then changed who would die from Eve to Villanelle. Jodie was fully consulted about all this and agreed for her character to die so it's something she was involved in. She wasn't just following the script.
It has nothing to do with Sandra. Don't blame it on her, she's also clearly showing a disapproving of the ending. Jodie is not stupid or weak not to show her opinions & thoughts for her character wherein even season 3 is mostly about her character. Before the pandemic, it was the writers who had the initial story plot for season 4, they wanted to kill one of the main leads in the end, and Sandra is the one who insisted that they should kill Eve since it was already hinted in the title itself, but since the pandemic happened, everything was delayed, and some of the writers changed, and Laura Neal who's the head writer insisted that they should follow the initial plot but it's should be Villanelle and not Eve, since it will tell how a woman will survive in her greatest loss in life, it's Laura Neal's idea to kill one of them and she's also the one who chose who will die in the end, and even Sandra being one of the producers can't bring herself to oppose it, especially there are some producers also and the Network itself backing up Laura's ideas to kill V in the end, they approve Laura''s justification. It was the show-runners who totally ruined the story and the characters. Also, Sandra & Jodie were only given scripts and mostly got informed during the shootings (this is according to Jodie & Sandra) so they didn't have any time to change or discuss if there will be changes, so in the end the cast doesn't have any chance to oppose and just accept what it is. During promotion, Sandra & Jodie are trying to cooperate with the PR marketing of the show runners, but they are obviously showing disapproval even in the face of being professionals. Edit: Also, BOTH Sandra & Jodie were executive producers of the show.
@@Howdareyou123 Don't blame it on Laura Neal. The fans who constantly criticise this woman with their FLN campaign make her the scapegoat but the show was already heading for a bad outcome and a lead or two dying. Just look at the S2 ending that is how Jodie, Sandra, Emerald etc saw the show ending. They thought it would end in disaster. Laura Neal wrote kisses into two different episodes for Eve & Villanelle and yet she is called homophobic by fans. It's clear from the articles, interviews etc that Jodie and Sandra believed in a bad outcome and Sandra in the Deadline interview pressed Laura to kill her character. Laura agreed to this and it was changed to Villanelle about 6 months later. Why the change? Perhaps because one of the writers posted a photo of the writers room and there was a backlash because they were all white? Critics said how can they write for an Asian-American character? Maybe the show got concerned that killing Eve would result in further accusations of racism? Anyhow for me they all shared the blame for that terrible series and that terrible ending. If Jodie and Sandra had wanted a happier ending they would have got it but for Jodie and Sandra it wasn't that kind of show, not one where you get a happy ending. I think that's sad and they ruined what was at one time a great show.
I liked the ending, it didn’t make sense for them to live a normal life after killing so many people, Villanelle was a sociopath, it wouldn’t have gone well
I always thought that she had to die because of that, but the way she was killed was stupid and also the audience deserved to watch a little more of them two as an actual couple before she was killed off.
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Season 4 is just a nightmare in Eve’s head, her scream at the end is waking up from it like she did in her very first scene. The real ending is the bridge scene at the end of Season 3, you decide from if Eve and Villanelle had their happy ending.
Have you heard any of the writers, directors, or actors say this on record? In all the interviews I've watched or read, no one involved with the finale has stated anything close to what you posted. If you came up with that on your own, they should have hired you to do damage control in the press, because your theory is absolutely genius. I think your explanation would have given fans a little bit of peace and maybe even hope that the characters could be revisited later.
@@Jumbaride There is a scene in the last Luke Jennings book (Killing Eve: Die for Me) where Villanelle drifts away under water, Eve can't reach her and then wakes up -- it just was a nightmare.
@@StefanThiesen I say we do a series starring Jodie Comer called "Villanelle". In the opening, we learn everything found in this thread and then move on to follow Villanelle after walking away from Eve on the bridge.
@@Jumbaride Aside from the practicalities (e.g. financing, rights, convincing JC) I'm not sure if the majority of thefandom would want to see Villanelle without Eve. The entire show, also the books, are driven by their mutual attraction. Also: not just this thread. There is a hell of a lot material at the Reddit Killing Eve section. Villanelle once said to Eve "Don't forget -- the only thing that makes you interesting is me." I'd say that goes in both directions.
@@StefanThiesen I respectfully disagree. There are plenty in the fandom who thought Sandra Oh overacted and would take or leave Eve. Since Sandra Oh has been emphatic in multiple interviews that she refuses to revisit characters, it seems the only path forward is continuing the adventures, romances, setbacks, and growth of everyone's favorite antihero. I am absolutely confident if Jodie Comer came back for a "Villanelle" series, the fandom would gladly jump on that train. Also, Jodie's star is much brighter now than it was, so I would imagine that her solo series would bring in a new audience as well.
I'm late to the party, but I just watched the finale last night. I HATED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not only the fact that they 'buried their gay', but it was also just a stupid point to end it. As if Eve would have let that go. She would have made it her life's mission to find out who killed Villanelle and once discovering it was Caroline she would have ended her. That's at least another season right there. Anyway, I've rewritten it in my head, Eve and Villanelle are currently living in Cuba, retired and have a rescue pup called Kenny and a great wine collection.
I finished it last night I couldnt believe how bad that ending was, the amount of open storylines but in an annoying way not in a clever christopher nolan style "open to interpretations" way, unanswered questions detrimental to the story, pointless new characters that went nowhere, weird against type writing decisions, weird time jumps like she was helping married women kill their husbands one second next that whole thing is done, to me it was just sloppy, unfinished and rushed just a stupid ending
In the interview with the writers of Killing eve, they said they were trying to find a good way to end things and this just seemed like the most better ending. The title 'killing eve' was meant not physically but mentally killing eve at the end. Seeing villanelle gone killed her as a person and so, it starts making sense?
The ending definetly was terrible but it was always going to lead up somehow
I just finished it as well and I’m fucking screaming. They give us a beautiful last couple of eps of happiness they fucking kill her. Jodie did such a good job with her role. So talented. I’ll really miss seeing her in this role even if I can read the books, which I hear are very different in terms of character portrayal. But damn I’m in shock with the ending
I was literally thinking this last night there was literally season 5 handed to them and they missed it im so mad😭
I'm late to the party too, so guess we're not alone then.
I watched the finale two days ago and omg did I cry my eyes out. Seeing how happy Villanelle was with Eve only for her happiness to be taken away.
In my head she only faked her death and went with Eve to Alaska where they can live together freely.
When I rewatched the show I stopped at the moment with them riding out of the forest. Felt so right
Thank you for bringing this up in the interview Josh! Very healing for a lot of us!
Jodie Comer is a a bad ass!! The way she portrayed Villanelle was mind blowing! I study psychopaths etc so I'll say this: They couldn't have had anyone but Jodie to play that part! 👏👏👏 well done!
I'm sorry, but this ending of Killing Eve will be allways ridiculous and implausible.
totally agree
still heartbroken
It was just nice to hear jodie talk about that final episode I didn't enjoy season 4 although it had it's good points , I thought villanelle as a character was just gold dust and nobody knows what the future holds and to kill villanelle off was just pointless.
I agree, it was nice to finally hear her speak about it publicly and remain kind of impartial but showing how she felt about it. Also for josh to say "we've all seen everything" because I'm sure she has but it just confirms it hahah
Loved the show. Huge fan of Jodie! Villanelle deserved to live, truly a bad ending in more ways than that death.
Mixed? More like unanimously negative. Jodie Comer in her assessment of the piss poor final ending of Killing Eve without laying blame on anyone's door and her desired fate for the Villanelle character which never materialized she was as diplomatic as she possibly could be. Especially since as a rising star in both theatre and cinema, she's in no position to be that outspoken without the risk of burning bridges too early in her career.
her face said it all she knew it was negative
@@stephsvids9812 Which is something she and the rest of KE's cast and crew will have to live down. Not that they'll care anymore. The whole of season 4 was a collection of missed free kicks.
I’m going to pretend the cast is going to come out if a few years and say they hated season 4 and want to pretend it never happened, like the L word cast did with season 6 of the L word
Good thing I figured out the ending before watching it. Couldn’t have handled Villanelle dying. Very interesting show idea altogether and blows the uniqueness for a love story out of the park. Married female detective falls in love with psychopath assassin she’s trying to arrest. Seems like an idea that couldn’t actually make a good script because of how goofy it is, but they did great for the first 3 seasons.
Waited 4 seasons for this horrid ending , i cried so much💀
Please tell me there are other married women here that have a huge crush on Jodie Comer and im not alone😂
Jodie did an amazing job but I think I’m more in love with her excellent performance of Villanelle and her deep Russian accent. Devastated at S4 end.
I was in love with Konstantin, sorry
Just should have stuck with the book ending. No drama.
omg love you jodie and josh. keep going
I just binge-watched the show. Was Pam the sniper?
I just binged it as well. I don't think so, although that is a very interesting theory.
When Carolyn asked her if Pam wanted the job she said no and walked away with a smile. Taking Konstantin's advice that Pam had options for a normal life and urged her to get out of " The Life". Feeling so guilty for killing him with a pizza cutter( nice touch ) after learning Helena was dead and she didn't need to kill him. She travels to Carolyn in person to deliver the letter. Fulfilling Konstantin's final wishes.
I have to hope some *brilliant soul* will come along and give us the happy closure we ache for and that Villanelle and Eve deserve. It doesn’t even need to be a whole season-a 2 hr special would do it...where Villanelle _does in fact_ crawl out of the River Thames or is found by Eve on the shore, they recalibrate and seek to take out Carolyn (a whole 11 1/2 of the 12, I feel like at this point 😑), take her out and finally the two of them get their happy ending.. even if it’s running back into a life of espionage with a morally questionable justice system.🖤
V. does have such a nice slightly Russian Accent in the German synch and now I am missing it. 😂
Villanelle doesn’t talk like this in the English version either. This is just how Jodie talks. Villanelle had a slight Russian accent in the English version too
Yeah the character is Russian so she has a Russian accent in all versions
I just wanted to see more, after Villanelle got killed. How Eve got on with life. But I find the Villanelle death quite relevant. I mean she's killed many people and got many enemies. What do you expect?
You knooow your audience Josh😂
There is no mixed reaction to the ending of Season 4. Everyone outright is livid still of how S4 turned out. In fact, so much so that NO ONE considers it relevant. And that it should be done over and done properly. You can do the math on what properly means. I don't need to spoon feed you on that!
Well the comment above yours liked it..
@@waning_focus Okay, compare that 1 to the MILLIONS of others who feel they got robbed!
A lot of people didn’t like the ending, but I personally saw the ending as pretty inevitable and realistic.
We saw throughout the whole show that she was incapable of maintaining relationships and led a very chaotic life due to her sadistic nature and occupation. Although it’s the nicer ending, when you think about it, it realistically doesn’t really make much sense for her going off and having a stable life/happy relationship with Eve to actually work out. (It was more of an unhealthy obsessions)
I don’t think that her death takes away from how great her character was, and brought her story to a natural conclusion that she really was a pawn all along, and that it’s the creators of the game who always win in the end.
Villanelle died exactly as you said. An expendable chess piece. An aftermath would've been nice though. It would've given her adoring fans a chance to digest what happened and grieve alongside Eve at the same time.
Eve was great but without V the show would lose interest real quick. Her accents and crazy look in her eye steal every scene.
2 great seasons. Thats it. Too bad they ruined the show. Did they hire all new writers after season 2?
I want to know what she thinks of her massive gay following. 🥰
Boring.
Jodie is more awkward and contradictory talking about the show than Sandra. Sandra had strong opinions about how it should go and how it should end for Eve & Villanelle and as an Executive Producer she was a major influence on the show's writing. It was Sandra who suggested a lead should die to Laura Neal. The show ran with that for a while but then changed who would die from Eve to Villanelle. Jodie was fully consulted about all this and agreed for her character to die so it's something she was involved in. She wasn't just following the script.
It has nothing to do with Sandra. Don't blame it on her, she's also clearly showing a disapproving of the ending. Jodie is not stupid or weak not to show her opinions & thoughts for her character wherein even season 3 is mostly about her character. Before the pandemic, it was the writers who had the initial story plot for season 4, they wanted to kill one of the main leads in the end, and Sandra is the one who insisted that they should kill Eve since it was already hinted in the title itself, but since the pandemic happened, everything was delayed, and some of the writers changed, and Laura Neal who's the head writer insisted that they should follow the initial plot but it's should be Villanelle and not Eve, since it will tell how a woman will survive in her greatest loss in life, it's Laura Neal's idea to kill one of them and she's also the one who chose who will die in the end, and even Sandra being one of the producers can't bring herself to oppose it, especially there are some producers also and the Network itself backing up Laura's ideas to kill V in the end, they approve Laura''s justification. It was the show-runners who totally ruined the story and the characters. Also, Sandra & Jodie were only given scripts and mostly got informed during the shootings (this is according to Jodie & Sandra) so they didn't have any time to change or discuss if there will be changes, so in the end the cast doesn't have any chance to oppose and just accept what it is. During promotion, Sandra & Jodie are trying to cooperate with the PR marketing of the show runners, but they are obviously showing disapproval even in the face of being professionals.
Edit: Also, BOTH Sandra & Jodie were executive producers of the show.
@@Howdareyou123 Don't blame it on Laura Neal. The fans who constantly criticise this woman with their FLN campaign make her the scapegoat but the show was already heading for a bad outcome and a lead or two dying. Just look at the S2 ending that is how Jodie, Sandra, Emerald etc saw the show ending. They thought it would end in disaster. Laura Neal wrote kisses into two different episodes for Eve & Villanelle and yet she is called homophobic by fans. It's clear from the articles, interviews etc that Jodie and Sandra believed in a bad outcome and Sandra in the Deadline interview pressed Laura to kill her character. Laura agreed to this and it was changed to Villanelle about 6 months later. Why the change? Perhaps because one of the writers posted a photo of the writers room and there was a backlash because they were all white? Critics said how can they write for an Asian-American character? Maybe the show got concerned that killing Eve would result in further accusations of racism? Anyhow for me they all shared the blame for that terrible series and that terrible ending. If Jodie and Sandra had wanted a happier ending they would have got it but for Jodie and Sandra it wasn't that kind of show, not one where you get a happy ending. I think that's sad and they ruined what was at one time a great show.
all my homies hates L*URA NEAL
I liked the ending, it didn’t make sense for them to live a normal life after killing so many people, Villanelle was a sociopath, it wouldn’t have gone well
I always thought that she had to die because of that, but the way she was killed was stupid and also the audience deserved to watch a little more of them two as an actual couple before she was killed off.
@@truekittyy agree
Finally 😊