Thorns Minions Are Broken - Diablo 4 Necromancer Build Guide Season 4
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Shadow Mages work great with thorns, necro is so good. Hope you enjoy the video!
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i regret switching my build to this one, wasted so many materials for it to be weaker than my previous build
what build did you had?
i'm switching build too and i got a huge damage drop from previous (shadow minion from maxroll)
Best ways is to start a new character and power lvl up it, here comes the multiple set build like diablo 3 that should be in diablo 4 so you just have to switch to it instantly
I was using the maxroll shadow minion build and all I did was add the razorplate. Worked great
@@davisparkour I'm new to the game literally less than 20 total hours on it I think, and the build paths in this game confuse me, are maxroll guides better than mobalytics? I am not strong enough or have the best pieces yet but shadow minions seems more attainable, I've seen 3 necro builds in this channel and I really don't know where to see the ranking for builds if there is one. Sorry for the long text.
This an amazing off the wall build my friend. I love content creators like you that think outside the box and dont just fall in line with everyone else. Very well done keep it up.
Ngl it’s the most obvious thing to do with thorns now that minions gain all of them.😂 but to each their own.
Hold up a second that’s weird that he said that the golem doesn’t really gain anything with the gold and glitter everything else but the way I built my thorns is that my bone has more thorns than my minions and on top of that I don’t use the sword skeletons I use the shield skeletons and they deal even more thorns
definitely looks interesting but tbh seeing that lifebar spiking up and down is a huge turn off for me. thorns barb is much easier in that sense
ok. and?
@@r3dr3drose It means that having to worry about dying with an unstable health bar is never good.
@@JerBuster77 just part of the game. get good.
This is the only unique that hasn't dropped for me yet (not counting ubers lol) and its the only one ive wanted because i love thorn minions.
I have 2. Add me maverick 14476.
Farm lord zir, he got it on his loot table.
Trade for it
@@victormadsen6927 I've about 4 of them, all from running the Helltide event
@@victormadsen6927 Thank you. I tested it yesterday and have 3times Razzorplate from him. Done about 10 runs. Any greater affixes but at least basic version :-)
Thank you SO MUCH for explaining and demonstrating the mechanics in detail. Great video !!! and for addressing the slight possible variations. Big thank you, again :)
I have had thirns necro since season start glad to see people are touching up on it now! It's so fun
i was running a thorns build and this build just opened my eyes....ive been mages from the start but now with thorns omg chefs kiss. appreciate the vid
I have been Thorns from day 1 of season 4. I love Bone Golem the 2nd skill that makes Vulnerable. He runs in, taunts and everything dies also adds vulnerable to bosses and you can usually just spam it with decrepify. My build doesn't even use an Ultimate skill, not needed in my experiences. I do use ring of sacriligious to continously trigger Aphotic to heal me.
Can you share your build? Thank you
@@Elvgr I don’t have anything in a website but I guess I could put one somewhere and link it. I can tell you my skills with Ring of Sac are decrepify, Golem, Raise Skeleton, Blood Mist, Corpse Explosion and Corpse Tendrils. I play on controller so the layout is what works for me. I know you can get big damage with Ultimate skills but the minions doing thorns with vulnerable enemies are enough to just walk through Pits just shooting off Decrep and Golem into packs and they die. Then I just hang out for the boss while it dies. I’ll admit I can’t beat Lilith right now but I’ve soloed Tormented Duriel, The dude near the tree I forgot his name, Zir and Greg dude too. I ran out of shards for Andariel attempt. I just haven’t fought Lilith much to know her attack patterns. I can AFk farm helltides by just constantly moving.
@@necromancer4285 thank you
Bone Golem is great for sure, but the 30% damage reduction feels so needed
I have been waiting for this video from the start of season 4
Blizzard destruiu o Necromante de Minions na temporada 5 e não somente os summons, Necro recebeu um Nerf Monstruoso. Que POE 2 venha logo
This was amazing! I’ve been working towards this and you solidified my decision. I guess I’ll go back to the 2H scythe vs. the dagger and focus.
The two handed is great especially for bursting Ubers but blighted is also getting nerfed into the ground next season. Probably gonna be more worth have that extra cd and stats
Thanks for the Hellbent Commander tips
Its a tricky part of the build but once you get it down its so good!
the equipment shown does not correspond to the equipment in the linked guide. why is that? in the video a lot of skeleton mage damage is used and in the linked guide summoning damage is used. in the video green stones are used in the weapon in the linked build blue stones are recommended.
Awesome video. I was already running Razor Blight but you have helped me set it up even better.
Your video is completely different from your build on mobalytics making this incredibly confusing. I bought all the gear, masterworked up to 10 on everything, maxed glyphs, exact talents, exact paragon board, exact enchants, exact book of the dead and liliths hp creeps down incredibly slowly
Yeah I’m a little confused why they are different as well
Is not the same i think he lies
He needs to update his build on website.
@@jaosnakebrit’s likely that’s why they are different because he HAS updated the build on mobalytics. It’s a bit hard to update a video js.
This is how nearly all Diablo build videos work. They make the video then they update the build on the site as new and better info becomes available. It’s really kind of common sense.
Im not sure about needle flarę in this build. I have it tested, how it worka after changes and i have learned that it works only if player gets hit, not Minions, and it shares players weak thorns over Minions
Great guide! Thank you so much
This was the build I played on PTR and am playing now. Iron Maiden can be amped up and can stack thorns percentage on minions.
Nice! I have been playing thorns necro since release
I've literally been think about this lately and was going to see if creators have posted this. You're the first one! 👌
The hardcore community welcomes you to the blood golem crew
Ty for explaining the build clearly. Nice vid😅
Been looking for a build with this class am level 100 thanks definitely follow tou
I am using this build on my necromancer and I am loving it its easy to use and I like easy lmao
Waiting for the corpse explosion build 😅
^^
Oh damn I've got a 2 GA Razorplate that I've been debating what to do with, much appreciated
Your video and your planner have very different information, which one is it? Or is it just clickbait?
Thanks for all the necro guides this season - super helpful! Can you help me understand something though, is +% damage a valuable stat at all? It seems it should be because everyone is choosing 2H scythe over 2H sword just for the higher base damage. Do minions actually inherit this or is it best to maximize DPS with (1) Atk Speed (to 100% combined cap w/ Frenzied Dead), then (2) Int, (3) Crit Chance, (4) Crit Dmg in order of priority?
Sword is actually probably better than scythe, but they are close enough that its not a big deal. Ultimately just run whichever you get that is good. +Damage works fully on minions. In terms of the priority for stats, I agree with your assesment. Int and crit are close but the int buffs your thorns
So would ideal DPS priority actually be:
1. 925 level 2H sword or scythe (whichever has better stats but preference for sword)
2. Attack Speed + Minion Attack Speed + Frenzied Dead up to 100% (btw if I can hit 100% without Frenzied Dead should I drop the aspect for another damage one?)
3. Int (best multiplier that also gives you AR which frees paragon nodes for more damage (e.g. I go for the +% Damage to Elites instead of AR nodes)
4. +% Damage (increases all forms of damage)
5. CDR + Ultimate CDR (more uptime)
6. CC (conditional damage likelihood)
7. CD (higher conditional damage)
i've made my build almost identical to yours, and i still have trouble clearing lvl 61 in the pit. i don't know what i'm doing wrong
Hi, I would like to know your thoughts about this build on season 5.
Would it be possible to fit Doombringer with a shield into this? I feel like the extra health and shadow damage would be a boon to this setup. And Shields inherently grant thorns as well. Also the Taunting Skeletal Warriors ensure that everything focuses them down instead of you. I have been wanting to find a good thorns minion build and I'm just throwing ideas out there that you probably already thought of. I'm sure whatever maths involved makes what you chose more logical for damage. To me though, It feels right using like I aforementioned.
good video, cool build concept :) might have to try
I borrowed a razorplate so I used a base version until I just gave up on the build
some of your aspects in the video are on different that what is in your written guide. which is better?
Definitely an interesting build but yeah the way that life spikes up and down and how many potions have to be used I’m not totally convinced still interesting tho.
Amplify glyph is missing 5 int on starter board or do we not care about the bonus?
Hello and thank you for the build, why don't you use the "Revenge" glyph ?
I was lucky enough to get a 3GA Razorplate and used this build. Any changes after the patches?
Shouldn't use corpse tendrils on thorns as uou stun and when stunned dont do dmg
are the temperings +mage damage giving mage also more thorn damage? or do the +skills to mastery count only? wouldnt +damage to cursed enemies be the best tempering to make all minions do more damage AND thorn damage? the skel. warriors do the majority of the thorn damage as you mentioned but they dont have a tempering in your build, only +skills.
Imagine getting convinced over the course of a week to drop 2bil on a razorplate. Thorn cope never dies
Got a good roll farming helltide and that's how I found this vid
Bro 1.5B is crazy , people are selling them for 10-15 mill on discord. Been running thorns minions for 2 weeks and it’s nuts but not worth 2b
Have you noticed any issues with bloodmist and mages? I think sometimes during certain fights they just stop firing during bloodmist
Did you try a one handed weapon and lidless wall with bone storm instead ?
I have a question that you mite be able to answer. I found a item that gives you +21 life per hit, if I have thorns on an items, will that count as a hit?
Just yesterday I got a 925 razorplate... food for thought :D
How do you incorporate Harlequin Crest into this build?
you can but loose a chunk of damage
Build has been nerfed at this point, seems like
Mate why your attack power is only less than 20,000? My is at 48000+ after buff, what lvl of pit u can push up to?
I mean, it's just another 'thorns' build that is not actually focused on thorns. Thorns is basically a small addition to an existing shadow minions build. You can definitely focus more on thorns and still make it 100+ pit viable.
Why still keeping glyphs like essence ? Thorns do not crit
because you cant rely all on thorns. your minons still have to do dmg and thats where crit comes in. without it youll be pounding for weeks on 90+
why is warrior skeleton in helmet so important yet is not listed in planned build?
just tested the % thorns while fortified, it does not increase thorns at all..... so ensure you run %minion thorns instead
Do you see any way to make a Golem only, or no pet Thorns build work this season?
Can you try it in PvP before I respec plz?
thorns are reduced in PvP, even thorn barb will be mashed
@@Cola_77 well did you see footage in PvP .. thorns barb one shots everyone followed by fire sorcs and wind daddy druids ..
I killed evrryone and Just died once :) @@Cola_77
Yoooo how much real life money you spend on that razorplate? I have heard crazy people spending couple thousand dollars real money for these. Crazy
I bet he only did this build because he got lucky with a 3 star Razorplate.
Addendum: The video doesn't match the build linked below at all! In the video you can see how he has 49% CritChance, which doesn't match the moba link at all! It just changes everything. I rebuilt 95% of the bulid for 3 days and can't even get through the first phase with lilith. The link is useless.
He said he bought it for a billey
How much dmg does the thorn actually do? its hard to see on the screen, and im not 100% how torn works lol
Its very dependent on the mob type. Going fully thorns with very little mage damage I could do a 110
Necro is back on the menu, boys!
Back on the menu? It has been OP since start of S4. All you need is to invest into minions and average gear and it steamrolls EVERYTHING.
Is the build link correct? First glpyh in paragon isn't even active
Tbh this is not a thorns build but some form of hybrid. If you dont roll thorns the minions will kill them anyway 🤷.
I tried it and feel kinda meh compared to normal minion build. Honestly, the thorns damage feels kinda weak and I lose an aspect and some useful stats. This only works vs bosses that do quick and wide aoe attacks (not many) and most mobs and elites are stunned by corpse tendrils and they can't attack anyway which should be the case at end game anyway or they will kill you.
On the side note: people should pay more attention to Aphotic Aspect (Skeletal Priests empower your Skeletal Warriors' attacks to deal Shadow Damage and have a chance to Stun enemies). I personally love this for 100+ high pit pushing. I find it to be best for me personally as I can stun and kill the bosses way faster with it so I can proc things like control glyph.
I agree with you and I would generally recommend people to just play pure mages. But the thorns variation has its uses.
Aphotic is great primarily because it causes your warriors to proc abhorrent decrepify and reset your cooldowns
ive made a variation of the build recently to utilize all 3 minions and im actually a bit torn on this because i maxed my exploit glyph then realized i dont have a way to apply vulnerable (except tendrils or the cold mages) so is vulnerable && crit damage even worth it when running thorns minions?
on tempering just a question. why summoning instead of skel mages damge?
Why there is not, shako?!? Or grandfather!?
bad
Could you run Shako with this build?
It's nor really a thorns build, is it? It's a minion build with razorplate since you don't stack thorns on gear. Thanks anyway but was hoping for a true thorns build.
Still waiting for the updated Skeletal Mage build you teased us with in your last video. Or was it just warm air?
Comin soon, been cookin
@@Goblin-Inc Cant wait!
How high on the pit ladder have you climbed with this build? And is it good for tormented bosses?
It is good for tormented bosses
is it not worth it at all to run a shako here?
The secret of Necro minions is to stack golem dmg the max u can and one shot bosses. Thats it. My gear is good but not great and have been one shoting uber lith and all tormented bosses.
How is this fare in season 5?
Why crit on gear thorns don't crit do they
playing thorns necro since begining season 4
Please, the build is not actualliced on the web, it is not the same as the video. (sorry for my bad english)
My golem is the first one in battle and the last one to leave a fight. I got 7 minions and 5 skeleton priests and 1 golem. I literally don't have to do anything. I'm being dead serious. I just walk slowly and my army of dead fight for me. Lol
Someone finally did it!
do you think this is worth it without the razorplate. im at this spot where i dont have GA golem mastery chest or any golem mastery so my golem feels weak so i was curious if i could use this tech to fill the dps gap? and maybe farm a razorplate lol
Yes, you can follow one of my other build variations. TBH the thorns variation is probably slightly weaker
"S Tier"
Almost gets 1 shot and spamming potions the entire video
Oh wow. Trade for the chest? Where do you trade?
diablo.trade
@@Goblin-Inc Thanks!
dang, i was too slow to end my build.
Why you skill shadow skills? Not one DMG in this build have a shadow dmg? Mh....?
The aspect that makes skeletal priest empower your skeletal warriors to do shadow damage. The mages are shadow.
U need more than 9300 armor.... thats literally only got lvl 100s now with the pit u def need more than 9k more like 15-20k essily
not anymore, its hard capped at 9230 now
It has been capped. Smh
Minions are supposed to inherit all stats but then don't inherit thorns. Because the stat minion inherits thorns still exists.
false
you able to keep up vuln time by doing?
And also does gloom proc off your minions. The wording says your damage. But as we know......tooltip doesn't reflect accordingly.
Can i use razorplate witjout the GA'S? or is it not worth it
Yes, though each GA is very high value. You can still cheese lilith and stuff like that
Level 80 pir???? Sign me up!
How high of a pit clear are you doing with this?
115 but can go higher
I just got a razorplate 👍
Its good surviability?
Its decent but not perfect
Dude has a 3 greater thorns stat on a razor plate like no shit your thorns minion build works good lol. Not everyone has that lucky piece of gear.
what does 9,300 armour do for you??
physical damage reduction, its the cap
@@Goblin-Inc but extra armor = extra golem thorns if you use bone golem.
As good as standard golem or mage build?
I prefer mage for the tankiness and it has extremely similar damage
mage is much better mine are almost 2mil golem 1 mil warriors 400k
Bro I got a 2 affix thorns plate for 10m, 1.5B for that is crazy
Insane actually, that shit is worth like 500m
Hows it fare in high tier nightmares and pit?
100nm 115 pit
hi i have 2 razorplate, one is 844 but with 145-150 of proc and other is 925 but 110-150 wich is better?
Well based on the info you gave us the answer is obvious buddy
@@Shackled_Hollow but thorn from an item lvl 844 are lower than a 925 so for this i asked
I swear he made this video to flex his 1.5bil razorplate 😆
Its Not S-Tier because you Need 1 Billion Dps for +130 Tier pit und you cant do it with thorn necro. We can do all Build s-Tier, no Problem.
I run thorns minions every season 😂😂😂 and it slaps
would temerity help this build or hurt?
can you run shako?
No, you need skeletal warrior mastery