Bethenny Frankel: Parents ‘Weren’t Happy’ After Kids at Camp Saw Male Genitalia on a Trans Child
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Bethenny Frankel’s comments about a girls camp where 9- and 10-year-olds allegedly saw male genitalia for the first time, as one of the kids identifies as trans, sparked major controversy. Should parents of trans children be required to disclose their kid’s identity to other parents?
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I'm sorry, but if your kids are going to camp and seeing *anyone's* genitalia, THAT'S the concern that needs to be addressed. I went to sleep away camp for the majority of my adolescence and managed not to see a single person's private area. What camps are ya'll sending your kids to?!
Agreed. I’m wondering how it even happened.
What they left out of that conversation is that a lot of same sex experimentation goes on in camp.
My thoughts exactly! Thank you
Agreed
I never went to camp as a kid. But the seeing genitalia part was concerning to me. Like why is that normalized? Don't we teach all our kids to be modest? Even changing in locker rooms made me so uncomfortable back in middle school.
This is why I love Garcelle she blends in so well with the rest of the hosts, she is not afraid to speak her mind but at the same time she keeps that sensitivity. What Garcelle said is right even though things are progressing that does not mean every parent will be the same way.
I agree + I also love that loni said not every parent has to accept it and that if they don't, there's a way to go about not making people feel ashamed. I think in today's world, everyone expects everyone to be okay with everything + that's just not how life + being human works. many times we have to agree to disagree, + ideally with love + respect at the forefront.
It has nothing to do with age. Those parents were fucking transphobic. This isn't new.
As long as we're ok with people who "haven't caught up yet", there'll be discrimination.
@@morgan.a.mcneill Just a pretty way of saying people have the right to be bigots.
Exactly
KEEPING YOUR PRIVATE PARTS TO YOURSELF IS TRANSPHOBIC????? THIS WORLD HAS GONE MAD!!!!!!!!!!
Keep in mind it’s a kid and kids are used to changing in front of each other at camp, the poor child was not going to realize what reaction other kids would have
I agree with you Kenneth!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a transgender person, I would VERY MUCH like to keep my private parts to myself. It's kind of crazy how far people can take things. I'm just so tired at this point...
@@shazsemuh7785 then it's the parents fault
Ummmm as a young child i went to sleep away camps where there were one big room for the ladies and one big room for the males and with one bathroom in each space and at no time at all had I ever seen anyone privates.... tf is wrong with people... its not about acceptance its about having some bloody boundaries. Aint nothing transphobic about that.
The only thing I got from this is that it’s time to have private changing areas. No one needs to see anyone’s genitalia all female or trans. Period. It’s not about what the kids are, it’s about privacy so everyone feels safe and secure.
I think this is the most realistic approach
!!!
STOP shaming parents that still believe in modesty!! Not every parent or child for that matter is okay with seeing genitals!
They're not shaming modesty. They're shaming the overreacting, disrespectful, negative reactions they give when they do see genitals.
@@milesjohnson7423 MODESTY*
No body is shaming modesty. These same parents are OK with all the other girls being nude. They only have a problem with the transgender girl being nude.
And I'm pretty fucking sure these are the same parents who wouldn't even consider what if their daughter is Lesbian.
@@manikantasrao7868 That's exactly what they're doing is shaming modesty! How do you know "these same parents" doesn't teach their kids to cover up? You guys are so infatuated with your new norm that you exclude any other logical traditional thoughts.
Thank you why are people attacking people who still have morals and values
I see why Tamara had to leave the show because if she was here she’d be silent or say something that would get her fired & “cancelled”
I was just thinking this.
I know, she would most likely sit in silence like she often did on political issues.
Look, even if we don't all share the same beliefs it's time for people to speak up and out because the time gap is narrowing in on common sense.
Yup she would of gotten alot flack for her comment she is one strong, wise Christian woman
@@bsbgirl85 no she wasn’t. Lol oh my gosh
@@bsbgirl85 who tf is tamaga? also , tamera has every right to not voice her opinion on controversial topics, especially in this current social climate where anything you say can get you cancelled .
Garcelle is very realistic. Jeannie should try to see things from the other side. I love how progressive she is but also just wish she could realize not everyone was born into the world she was. There are some parents who just can’t understand this and that also is okay. You just have to give things time and not force it upon others
Exactly
Exactly ! I love Jeannie but you need to be more open and understand that not everybody can understand and it takes time , which is why I’m confused why she questioned Garcielle on the word “new”
Jeannie is talking about teaching the kids acceptance and the idea that people come in all shapes and forms. That is not being progressive, that is being a decent human being teaching others to be compassionate. When are we going to stop judging people for being different than we are??
@@niyuki87 You can teach and accept that people come in different forms without participating in their ideology. Plenty of people accept that some folks are trans, but we also choose not to date, have sex with, or expose our bodies to them. And many parents don’t want their children exposing themselves or being in intimate settings with them either. You think being a decent human being is forcing little girls to expose their intimate body parts with males so those males feel good about themselves in their self proclamation? If so then you clearly don’t know the difference between being a good person and being a perv*rt and that is NOT a good look.
Choosing not to engage with or “affirm” a person’s gender is no different from me refusing to declare Jesus as the son of God or the Messiah or go to church. I don’t tell trans folks what to believe or how to live, I simply refuse to take part in it, just like I refuse to take part in Christianity, Scientology, islam, or Trumpism.
Tolerance isn’t about incorporating any and everything in your personal life. It just means accepting that folks are different and leaving them to their vices. The world does not revolve around or owe trans people a thing. Same goes for you. And I won’t make any adjustments for the sake of appeasing you all either. If you’re so concerned about being a “decent person”, pipe down on the self aggrandizement and get over yourself. The quality of our character isn’t facilitated through your ideology.
@@triggered577 you’re basically saying it’s ok to be bigoted and treat someone badly because you don’t understand them. You can say I don’t understand trans children and be truthful with the changing room, and still give them respect and not treat them badly or with hate. Nuance is important
I don’t agree with jeannie’s and Adrienne’s point about seeing your sibling’s genitalia. That’s family….not strangers.
Exactly! And often times at 9 to 10 years old you aren't seeing your siblings like that. In toddler age maybe, once me and my brother was over around 5, I never saw him like that. I don't like how dismissive they were of other people's feelings that have a different experience from them.
Agree!
Yeah. It was a poor point.
I agree . My brother and I use to pee together when I was 7 and he was 5 and it was a bonding moment. We never thought anything of it 🤣
These are CHILDREN!!!!!!
I think it’s disingenuous to compare Jeannie seeing her brothers private parts, to young girls seeing the genitalia of a transgender girl (who is not related to them). Not only is that confusing, but for many parents it would be deemed as inappropriate. I also don’t like the comparison between race segregation & sex segregation. Female & male only spaces exists due to our biological differences, which determines that women are often more vulnerable. Race does not determine a persons capability of interacting with others (excluding socialisation).
Preach! I hate when black ppl are at the centre of these crazy comparisons. I’ve even noticed a lot of trans activists trying to put black women & trans women in the same bracket of womanhood. I find this very offensive. Just because black women have to consider race as part of their plight, it does not mean that they have more in common with trans women than biological women. Chile…Loni needs to think before she talks.
Exactly this conversation was just ridiculous they mixed up everything
Exactly! It was normal for me to see my sister naked because as siblings we walked around each other naked but it was not normal for me to see another girl naked when I had sleepovers or stayed at camps. So that comparison is definitely disingenuous. Also I am so over everyone comparing the black plight to every other plight that people go through. The reason why transgenderism is considered a “new idea” (I am fully aware that this has been going on for a long time) is because as a transgender you could always fit in by putting on the clothes off your genitals. Black people were never able to erase the color of their skin and therefore were forced to deal with racism regardless of what they did. Lastly, everyone always want to use the black struggle to push their agenda but never want to make ours priority. 🙄
This. Yes, thank you.
Idk I belive in my opinion she was trying to say it didn't have to be traumatizing
Btw...stop comparing gay and transgender struggles with the struggles of being black. There is absolutely NO COMPARISON!!!! We can't hide our race to protect ourselves.
THIS. Preach!
EXACTLY
Yes but you have to show empathy and acknowledge that this is a problem. Trans and gay people can't really hide it either. From mannerisms and how passing you are. This will always be an issue because people think they choose to be gay.eventually they will be found out by relatives or friends. People search for them to harass and sometimes violently attack them. This isn't an issue of who is the real victim. In today's modern world, gay people still are not safe. Never will be. You always have to be aware of your surroundings.
@@nq6508 many have hid it … the race you a can’t even try
Thank You!! I’m so tired of this comparison.
I wouldn’t be okay with my daughter going to camp and seeing male genitals, regardless of whether they are trans or not? Parents have the right to not be comfortable with their child being exposed to someone of the opposite sex’s genitals.. I’m all for trans people so don’t @ me but I don’t think this is right
No sarcasm, genuine question. Why do you feel it's a problem to see opposite sex genitals and not same sex genitals?
Same! I'm just as bothered by the joke Loni said with seeing girls private area. That's inappropriate and definitely not why they were sent to camp.
@@asideofaioli4630 the same reasons the bathrooms are separate
Every little girl doesn't have a brother. Everyone ain't down with this, you have to respect that also. SORRY!!
THAT PART!!!!!!!
Agree
Only started watching the Real again since the ZOOM sessions and can I just say how much I love Garcelle. I love how she was able to communicate the other POV to this topic without dismissing Jeannie's point at all. Times are changing and I appreciate how these topics are being broached. Thank you ladies!
No matter how much we progress as a society, I will never be okay with my daughter being exposed to male genitalia, even if it’s another kid. We should be accepting of everyone’s preferences, but my opinion counts too. There must be a balance.
Why specifically male genitalia? Would you be upset if it was female genitalia?
@@prettytee7525 prob not cause it's another girl. Even in regards to siblings I never saw my bros junk
Exactly! The preferences of those who are NOT on board with that lifestyle seems to always get ignored and that's what's not fair. Our preferences are to be respected too! Everyone don't want that lifestyle or whatever its called, all in their faces.
I miss the old Real with Tamera and Tamar. Now they are too busy trying to be politically correct instead of being real.
Becausr cancel culture is a thing now. Back then it wasn't that big of a thing. But now it's a thing. See how Garcelle was talking. She was kind of biting her tongue because people would be like "CANCEL HER"
Tamera used to be that way all the time one of the biggest issues with her is the fact she held back. Tamar on the other hand was outspoken.
Have ya’ll ever considered that these are their opinions?? Just because it doesn’t align with yours doesn’t make it any less “Real” I actually agree with their opinions does that make my thoughts any less real, just because you THINK Tamar and Tamera’s opinion will more align with yours??
@@mandys1038 true!!! I don't get the hype when it comes to being right. She never spoke her mind
So if their opinions don’t align with yours they aren’t being real ?? LMAOOO plz
I was in the military and showered with other females fairly often… I don’t recall EVER seeing other campers completely naked at camp when I was a kid. At the most, I saw them in their underwear.
Thank you!! Why is this even a thing!?
I wouldn’t want my daughter to see the male private part at a young age. I’d want to know so that I don’t send my child to that camp if that’s a risk
Well I hope u don't have sons! What's the difference?
@@tonybluestar4954 the difference is it’s a boy acting like a girl !! Her sons would know they are boys … y’all are wicked & sick
@@tonybluestar4954 seek help!
@@kayawalters1326 here come the imaginary sky daddy cultists chile
@@kayawalters1326 What do you mean acting? They are a girl. You are the sick and twisted one for being so unaccepting and unloving. May God open your heart to compassion and understanding.
Bethany isn't wrong children under 18 shouldn't be able to transition until they are adults. Kids are way too young to be making life changing decisions sorry but not sorry
Thank you ! Finally someone with common sense. They can't drive until they're 16 or consume alcohol until they're 21 but at 9 they can change their gender? This whole thing is ridiculous to me smh. Poor children
Who said the child was transitioning? Y’all are so dumb and ignorant. Identifying as and transitioning aren’t the same. And, it’s their child that’s none of your business if they allow their child to live their truth.
I Respectfully disagree.
Ok
Race and private parts are not the same thing. WTH!!!! I wish Tamera was here to speak up!
Garcelle had the most common sense here. Not everyone is going to be ok with this yet, and that's ok. The camp didn't have to tell everyone about the trans child but they should have told parents in advance to give them the chance to see if they wanted their kid to still go this camp. Jeanie is saying is the parents responsibility to expose your kids to this like blaming them for this inconvenience and no its not their fault if they think their child is too young to see this. Could mix camp lead to more sexual molestation as they get older?
I totally agree and believe that unfortunately, it will smh
To answer your question, gender and sexuality are completely different.
@@gaila.9852 perhaps, but that doesn’t actually answer the question…
@@esthera4710 Actually, it does.
Well, I don't think Jeannie was necessarily blaming the parents for anything, she was just saying it's like having the sex talk with your children, gender talks can be included. As parents you have to explain and teach them about all these things. As with the sex conversation over all. Otherwise they're going to learn it from other people and or resources that aren't so good to learn it from. Besides, Kids are inquisitive. They're going to ask questions, and when they do, answer them honestly at the level they can understand. My parents were open and honest with me and my siblings like that. Of course at the levels we could process it when we began to understand a lot more. That parental guidance is important. After all, it is about teaching your children how to navigate out in the world responsibly.
At times it feels like Jeanie and Adrienne aren’t in touch with real life. I’m really glad they brought Garcelle on the show.
They’re supposed to be the Christians too.
Parents should be allowed to make informed decisions for their children.
Correct. The type of camp should be clearly outlined at sign up for THE PARENT not the camp officials to make that decision in the best interest of their child.
Virginia Democrat governor disagrees
Soo you want to make an informed choice on every child’s genitalia?
@@sibais you're purposely misunderstanding. Parents want to make an informed decision on where their child is going.
@@benjaminreyes3624 true however its not other parents business if a couple has a child who happens to be trans and the parents decide to send there child to camp.
Ouffffffff I’m so glad they’re back in the studio and the addition is Garcelle 😭😭😭❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Garcelle is my new favurite. she is not biased, she does not force ideas on people. she respects everyone's lifestyle. Tam Tam was my fav, and the real brought someone as close as Tam in opinions.
It is a big deal if the children mentioned it to their parents! Not every child develops at the same rate.
The children would only have mentioned it to their parents if their parents haven’t been having informed discussions with their children. 9/10 is about 4th grade and that’s around when they start giving the anatomy/sex classes in school. No child should be thrown off by simply seeing genitalia. It has to be normalized as any other body part.
@@mirb2093 well probably one that you didn't intend to see. I'd be offended if I walk into a bathroom and a penis flashes me. It would cause me to pause, I may even be temporarily traumatised, as I have no intention to see the genitalia of another human being that I did not choose to. And I'm a married adult that is fully aware of the male anatomy.
I appreciated Garcelle and Loni's approach. Sometimes Jeannie has the approach that because she feels a certain way about things, that it is always the correct way. Just as she has views and ideas about things, so do others. She has every right to express her ideas, but seems to get a little upset when conversations don't flow her way as if to say... Look at me, I'm so progressive in my thinking and everyone has to jump on board or they have a problem. I do appreciate some of her views that others may not agree with, but at the same time, I as should she, realize that my views and beliefs are not always the same as others.
Yeah I agree! And if this was an all girls camp that comes with a sort of female solidarity and parents want to make sure their daughters aren’t being messed with sexually. So even though being trans isn’t sexual I can see how parents could and would be alarmed and upset at not having the knowledge earlier.
Yes garcelle preach ! Caribbean queen 👑
Yeah I don’t usually watch so I didn’t know she was like that at all. She has an air about her that I don’t like, as if she cannot look at something from multiple sides while the others can
Love Garcelles perspective on this. She is the realest one on the panel. Everyone else sometimes doesn't think of things realistically and honestly state their stance or uncomfortability on a topic.
I agree. Garcelle is the only one with children here. She gets it
I DISAGREE. This show is becoming too progressive…
Since when is being progressive a bad thing ? 😭
@@dazedream2833 since the safety of our children is threatened. Their innocence potentially being destroyed. This is not progression, it is only increasing likelihood of trauma and possible consequences for girls and women.
@@Fiona-zr7tl in your opinion what is affecting the safety of children and causing trauma to women ?
Then watch something else
@@Fiona-zr7tl how is their safety being threatened? Please explain
If a parent does not want their child exposed to see a dk at an early age that's their right. Why is this even a discussion?
They should’ve informed the parents of the kids that were exposed beforehand. Or put a notice on the register sheet saying something like “trans-people are welcome here” “this is an all-gender camp” or something like that.
if the child identified as trans and is girl why would they put up a “all gender camp” sign? if it was girls only? there shouldn’t have to be any sign saying “trans people are welcome here” it’s not that deep. also it’s up to parents to tell their kids about the real world.
@@AngelLoveQuinnx I disagree
They shouldn’t have done anything.
That's it in a nutshell.
I'm tired of everyone dancing around this issue in fear of getting canceled for speaking the truth.
No it is not okay that those little girls had to have their private space invaded. Jeannie and Adrienne sound ridiculous, if human anatomy doesn't matter then why do we even have separate boys and girls changing rooms/ bathrooms? Having a trans "girl" in the camp defeats the purpose of having a Girl's only space.
Thank you 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Preach
Exactly this is a place where we accept that we are all types of women we learn to accept our bodies, and a pen*s is not a part of our bodies. Parents are pushing their agendas on to kids and it’s disgusting, they put their kids into an embarrassing situation and try to blame the world for it. They create the situation just to be able to say I’m a victim of this society, but putting a child who is confused about his gender in the middle of women and girls who look nothing like him WILL make him want to have surgery and alter his body asap…
trans is NOT the same as being Black. Please!
It's a big deal.
My nieces all girls HS baketball team inherited a trans. All the girls were shocked when a boy was changing amongst them in the lockeroom.
Not ok!
a trans woman is not a man. there was no boy changing among them. There was a girl who had been born with the wrong genitals. Trans women are not men. Trans men are not women.
Not okay. Also, the word boy is defined in the dictionary as a human, male child so yes commenter below, her usage is still correct.
It’s not okay at all.
@@aneta1211 but that human still has a penis whether or not that person identifies as a girl or a boy. There is still the issue of a person with a penis changing amongst people with vaginas. So if a boy comes into a girls locker room and changes amongst the girls, everyone would be outraged and shocked and it would be not okay, but lets say a year later, that same boy went on a self identity journey and came out as trans, and now SHE enters the changing room still with same body parts and changes amongst the same girls…. But now all of sudden its okay? Why?
@@mimim8758 in hs locker rooms people don’t change till they are naked, they have undergarments on. Also there are bathrooms. Many trans children are afraid to change infront of cis people especially school mates. There should definitely be more in place to protect the child and give them more privacy. And yes people would be outraged if a cis man was there Bc they don’t belong there and have no reason to be there. A trans female identified person is at the right place. They are a female and so is everyone else there. No one should feel like an outcast for being themselves.
This is so tricky. I don't think there is a one size fits all solution to this situation. Starting the conversation is great, and discussing gender and sexuality with your kids is also a good thing. But I think 9 is a bit young to encounter this kind of situation, because how do you really address it? Where do you start and how do you explain without communicating more than your child can handle? I dunno how I would handle it if I was put in this situation as a parent.
Yeah I feel like because of the way society has taught us about gender and sexuality previously, people can find it hard to explain the concepts that are becoming more accepted and understood. But kids don’t have a concept of this until they’re taught it. I’m no expert but would it be bad to say everybody’s body is different. Explain that Most girls have the same body parts but some of them were born with different parts also. Explain that these people are still no different on the inside and should be treated with respect like everyone else. It’s not the most in depth explanation but it’s something that can suffice until they are older and can fully understand the concept of gender and transgender people
i think kids are a lot more intelligent than some of y’all perceive them to be
Nothing tricky here... Females with male genitalia should swim with people who share the same genitals...or males... Until they transition... Biological Women are alway giving up so much, even private spaces are a contention now???...😟😟😟😟. .
@@anitamhlongo4443 They're not females. There's a difference between sex and gender. They are males who decide to be a girl/woman.
Edit: I'm only making a distinction, because for the time being, your sex is not something you can choose.
@@anitamhlongo4443 I agree, I’m an adult female now, but I feel like I would be pretty uncomfortable If I saw that as a nine year old girl, I feel for the trans child though, I know it mustn’t be easy to deal with all of that. I’m sensitive to both sides
See this is y we really need to look at this situation. Because yes while there is sympathy for the Trans child let's not negate the feelings of the other little girls. We're NOT doing that!!!!!! That's a situation that was forced on the other children unexpectedly!!!! I agree with Garcelle on this. Jeannie you better have several seats because ALL of the children involved were affected by this so top acting as if only the Trans child feelings matter. ALL of these children involved matter. At nine many of those kids have never seen male genitalia let alone on the body of another little girl. Yall wanna call this show the Real!!! Then be real. I'm sure it wasn't easy for any of the kids involved
This is such an aggressive take on this situation lol. I feel as though it matters more on the intent of the “exposure “ that happened. Was it purposeful or was it accidental ? I’m sure the child wasn’t trying to be sexually or maybe just felt comfortable because he identified as a girl. And second I would offer that the parents need to start having these conversations with their children cause if not the world will.
I'm so glad Gazelle is there to express where alot of people are. SHe's realistic.
My apologies I misspelled your name.
See, this is the perspective I needed them to explore more with this topic. Garcelle and Loni danced around it a bit and maybe there were some time constraints but the producers are still at fault bcuz a timely topic like this def deserves more air time. Where are the sentiments for the mainstream parents and kids. Not saying the feelings of the trans kids have no bearing but we cannot just accommodate a certain segment and largely leave another without consideration. What about parents who don't want their kids to see different sex genitalia at that age? What about the rights, emotional and psychological needs of ALL effected and not just the one kid?
This is disgusting! I'm appalled that anyone would co-sign this behavior! And don't try to be all PC about this ladies. As a mom of 2 this is unacceptable.
I knew they were gonna use us as an example they always do.....😎🙄☕ and no racism and sexuality are not the same at all
When did we start to get "assigned gender at birth"? How else do we determine if an innocent newborn is a boy or girl?
We started to do that when people to us we did and yet for all of human history, woman and man has been synonymous with male and female. That's why woman and man are defined in every dictionary as human females and human males. This science is less that 80 years old and the application of it happened 5 years ago.
Did loni just compare being black to being transgender??? 😳 see this gotta stop. Comparing a skin color that we were born with and people changing genders are not the same thing 🤦🏾♀️
Girl they love comparing everything to black people 🙄. I’m tired. Loni needs to stfu forever
It depends on how the camp presented it. Was it promoted as a “all girls” camp? Was it in any of their promotional material that they accept all genders of kids and there is a possibility that a trans child may be in your child’s cabin? If so, then the responsibility of preparing your child falls on the parents. Sounds like the camp could have better prepared the parents without exposing the trans child.
Agreed. If the camp is clear on acceptance of all, including trans kid then yes the responsibility is on the parents to move forward with conversation and with signing there kids up.
If they didn’t mention, then hopefully the trans child was given some guidance from their parent on how they may or may not be perceived with their peers, esp in such an intimate setting.
Nobody should be shocked that someone might be opposed to a CHILD selecting their gender. People are tripping, this is insane. Wait until you are 18, let kids be kids!
The only one with an ounce of being real in this chat was Garcelle, but even she was too scared to share her whole perspective in fear of being cancelled.
Innocently seeing a sibling’s body part at home as a kid is NOT the same as unexpectedly seeing the genitals of a stranger (especially of the opposite sex). You cannot make the argument that parents should educate their kids because each parent can choose when they want to educate their kids on LGBTQ (if they even want to educate them on the topic). Maybe 9 or 10 is too young and the parents are waiting until the kids are 13+. Stop pushing this extremely progressive agenda and shaming parents and girls alike.
I agree
The parents can teach their kids about LGBT at whatever age they want, but like Loni and Garcelle said, times are different now. Parents can wait until 13 for example, but in society today the kids are more likely to be faced with exposure to kids and people of different sexualities, genders, etc at a younger age. So it might be in the best interest of parents to start embracing ways to teach their children about these differences earlier.
Exactly my thoughts on that WEIRD question Adrienne asked about seeing your brothers.
Thank you! And who is to even say that all kids even have siblings. Or that everybody's nudity philosophy is set up that way in their home. How could Adrienne have used such a myopic and narrow point for an argument? I love the girls but no. They and the producers dropped the ball on this one. This topic is to timely and important to be alloted the limited amount of time that it was. And why is it now that hardly any focus is placed on the mainstream segment of the population these days? We ALL have our rights. Mainstream and LGBQT. ALL of us. What about the emotional and psychological effects on the mainstream kids?
Why is it wrong to say you dont want your young girl sleeping in the same room as a boy..sick how everything is offensive these days..and no Loni , Race and gender are two different things!!
Tbh I feel like the trans girls parents should've told her to be aware, and change privately bc she still has different parts than the other girls.
maybe they did, but at the end of the day, that girl is still a child...kids get caught up in the excitement of playing and being with others, and she might have just forgotten for a moment...how many times to we have to remind girls that age to cross their legs when they wear a skirt. they just forget in the moment because they are so innocent
It was clearly an accident
I think these camps should have actual changing stalls or at least offer trans kids special changing rooms. As a trans person, I would appreciate my privacy very much.
All kids should be considered not just trans kids. From personal experience it can be traumatic to see male genitalia. Like Garcelle said, an open discussion with all opinions considered should be had.
Jeannie is blinded by her desire to be super progressive and liberal. I think its not anti trans to call out when something is problematic and this situation is problematic. Seems like everyone tiptoes around this issue so much out of fear of being labelled a bigot. To say that parents who don’t want/are uncomfortable with their daughters seeing a complete stranger’s penis are being ignorant is extremely unfair. Adrienne’s comparison between seeing your brother’s private parts to another camper who isn’t related to you is illogical tbh. Moreover the bigger issue and conversation here is whether or not children should even be allowed to make such life changing decisions. I mean 9?? 9 years old!! I feel the world has gone a bit insane honestly. How did we even get to the point where we think its okay for kids to make such big decisions??? There are kids who want to be aliens or unicorns at that age. I thought it was a fact (since the dawn of time) that kids needed caretakers BECAUSE they are vulnerable and do not understand alot on their own yet, and it is the parents job to help them as they grown till they can take care of themselves. What is wrong with waiting till they 18? Long story short this is a fairly new and difficult topic and to be confused about why people are not accepting as you are is actually the real ignorance.
That's exactly what I say!!!!
i disagree ... never as a girl we showed each other our private parts .............iam 32 and have no religion .. but raised based on morality .showing your private parts have nothing to do with freedom or oppression ... it has a lot to do with lack f ethics .....in addition, putting black people in comparison with tran-gendered that 50 years ago you could not date a black person, and it was new and odd that time ... so this transgender thing will get justified and accommodated in the next 50 years ... i think the comparison is unwarranted .........
Thank you. They're called private for a reason. That could should've had the option to change privately. As a kid, when I went to camp, girls would change in front of each other but always had on undergarments. We weren't showing off our bits and pieces.
It is NOT unwarranted, trans people were and still a are targeted simply for being trans...hmmmm doesn’t that sound familiar.
@@taylorvaden5675 You think it's the same???? Unfortunately we can't change skin color like you can change your sexual orientation. This generation is really messed up man.
I agree. I don’t remember ever showing my privates to even my closest friends while in the locker room or at camp And I never saw theirs. I also agree that you cannot compare the issue to the issue with black people because imagine if a black person said I was born black but I identify as white or vice versa. People would not be accepting of that.
@@lidiapacheco8046 Thank you! I'm tired of people comparing Transgender/LGBT issues to racism.
Let's normalize everyone having concerns about what their children are exposed to, and stop being scared to speak YOUR truth if you don't agree. Side note: not sure how you know you're trans at 9/10 years old 🤔, you just got here.
Right!
I agree, I think they were trying to be “PC”, and by doing so they started reaching. People are not sending their kids to camp to be “exposed” to the opposite gender’s parts.
Haha seriously, how you know you want to be the opposite gender with all of nine years of life?
studies show that most kids have an understanding of their gender by the age of 3
A lot of trans people have said that they knew they were trans from a very early age. Let's not dismiss that by saying oh you're too young to understand your sexuality,gender bc at the age of 9 even if not completely you do realise certain things about yourself.
STOP FORCING THIS ISH ON OUR CHILDREN!!!
That is because of moments like this I can’t stand Jeannie. When she said « what do you mean it’s all new » I was like what are you trying to do.
Exactly! A child choosing what gender it is before it even knows how to multiply or divide is VERY new, and in most cases a big fad.
@@JS-hn5ld Actually most studies show that kids have an understanding of their gender by ages as young as 3
@@maiaespinosa8594 oh gawd lady, give it a rest.
She always acts like she is more PROGRESSIVE than the whole World.
@@Alisonigwe Exactly she tries to be the most awaken of the woke people as if it was some kind of competition but really she needs to have a seat and take a good nap.
I think if I had a transgender child I would protect my baby and not send them alone to a camp where they wouldn't be understood or protected
or teach your hypothetically trans child that who they are is okay, and give them enough confidence to not be ashamed from the judgment of others. We can't necessarily protect our kids from everything, but we can give them the tools to protect themselves. So if my hypothetical trans child wanted to go, I'd let them.
Oh, so you think other children, non related etc should expose or be exposed to another child's genitalia?
@@pattycake9183 these people are crazy, children are taught in different ways, some parents don’t bath the boys and girls together. My parents didn’t.
@@TheTonyspik I think you missed the point. The little girls were at camp, while at camp, there was apparently a trans child there, a girl and their male genitalia was exposed to some of the other bio female campers. That is absolutely wrong.
@@pattycake9183 I didn't miss any point. Why is it wrong for someone to see a body part? Don't we all have one? Maybe we should all be walking around covered head to toe then. Now if you think it'd also be wrong for cisgendered girls to see other female genitalia as well then at least your being consistent. But if it's because this person is trans, and or they have a different body part, then that is gender discrimination. Because what's objective fact is that we all have genitalias and were born with one (maybe two).
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i’m wondering if jeezy would also share some of jeannie’s opinions on this subject
I was wondering that too...
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He wouldn’t
@@RyanJCreations , idk. He married her. He must agree with this transgender child topic. He's not Christian, he's hollywood, LGBT is in the hiphop culture more now.
I think Jeannie and Jeezy would be open to raising a transgender child like Gabrielle Union. Jeanine dosen't seem that serious about her Christianity.
Are you making assumptions because he’s black or a rapper? Or both?
😑comparing someone’s skin color to someone’s transformation🤔
Exactly... 😀Smh
Nonsense, and it isn't a 'transformation', nobody changes sex and at that age, there is unlikely to be any surgery...
I can’t stand by this girl chat. They’re just saying what Hollywood wants just so they don’t get “canceled”.
Exactly it’s sad. These women stand for nothing.
@@ebmonae3104 period gotta keep their jobs at the end of the day
No they just have critical thinking skills lol
@@machinedrum17 If they had any sense they wouldn't agree it's okay for a trans "girl" to be in girl's changing room. Thats unacceptable.
Whether it's male or female genitalia it's too young to be showing anything at camp. And no, I don't think it's the parent's duty to reveal anything that is changing with their child. That's personal family business until they become an adult and navigate it on their own.
if these kids have siblings, I'm sure they've seen what a genitalia is. Or maybe seen it in an art museum, book or something, or statue. It's a body part. But if it's such a big deal, then next time they need to clarify that everyone should change in the bathrooms.
I disagree with Jeanie and Adrienne. He exposed them because how would they know what’s between his legs.
First, of all she’s a her. 2nd of all they were probably changing. Y’all act like this about a child. You’re disgusting human beings.
Kids shouldn’t be “exposing” themselves at camp in the first place but let’s not pretend that kids don’t play “I’ll show you mine if you show me yours” at much younger ages than this.
Little girls don't need to be exposed to this. The parents are the ones who should decide what they want their children to be around period. If it was my child I'd be super pissed about the situation. Also you never know if the other child really has gender identity issues of if they actually are predators. This could be the new excuse for a lot of sickos to have unsupervised exposure to little girls. There should be a different group for children with gender identity issues if they don't feel comfortable around children of the same sex that they were born with.
you just called trans kids predators.
@@AngelLoveQuinnx no. She said, "you never know if". Meaning possibility of...
Garcelle, welcome to the real. She is indeed a great addition to the cast
Times like this, I think they need a more conservative viewpoint. I personally haven’t taught my kids about pronouns and all that terminology. I think even explaining the concept of transgender is confusing at a young age when they still lack abstract thought and that cognitive development.
It’s really fucking not. You’re just too lazy to care. Children understand concepts better than grown lazy adults. You don’t need children.
@@reonwright4217 I do care. I refer to any person by their preferred gender. It is basic child development that abstract concepts are developed later.
First of all , Loni comparing being black with being transgender, really ?! It's a NOOO. I'm sorry but somebody thinks about the little girls here ? I'm sorry and I understand your plight but you were born different.. I don't understand why we can't create bathroom for transgender , camp for transgender instead of trying to mix everyone when we all different ..
And It's always the transgender female who is always trying to insert themselves in women category. We don't hear that kind of thing with transgender males. Recently , I saw that they call a pregnant woman (pregnant people like what ?!) Like it's not a woman ability to give birth ( Infertility exists too but No man can give birth). For me being progressive, it's allowing people to leave in their truth by giving them the space to exist not trying to create an homogeneous mixture.
I wouldn’t want my kid to be exposed to that and that’s my choice! I’m tired of people being shamed for wanting to guard their kids. And comparing skin colour to someone changing their gender is so irresponsible, because we don’t get to choose what colour we are. 😒
EXACTLY thank you! And they continue to disregard the rights for women and young girls while putting trans rights on a pedestal. It’s absolutely backwards. That’s just like when there was a “trans” at the spa in California exposing himself to women and children come to find out he’s been arrested for indecent exposure several times.
Exactly sis
@@corlissfelder5620 GIRL!!!! They’re trying to erase us biological women, and it’s sickening!
Thank you!
Actually NOT educating ur child on real life things (like a penis and vagina 🤗) is guarding them and keeping them in ignorance. Why do you only relate the naked body to sex?? The human body does more than that. Also, trans people are real people and they exist, so what do u mean by “exposed to that”?? 🤨
I don't knw why should I try to lie to my self what people what me to think of them I respect ur decisions but tell me that if you were born a girl or a boy you want me to say your the opposite sex just to make you feel better absolutely not to each is own. And no.... I don't want my daughter or son with someone showing there private part specifically if there under age . Shame on those parents that agree to all this nonsense 🙄 by the way as parents is our responsibility to teach our children what girls or boys have and what this crazy world is trying to teach our children so they can be aware that not everything that Is society is teaching us is correct.
Honestly higher ups from The Real… Please don’t ever get rid of Garcelle. She’s definitely a gem for this show! Thank you!
Modesty is very important especially as kids grow up.
Yes, let's teach our kids to be respectful of themselves and others.
Let parent's know about transgenders children. The same way white parents knew about black children attending in predominantly white spaces.
Nope nope nope. Too young for this. I would NOT be ok would this hell freaking no
No males in female only spaces!
Good thing there were no males in that female space ☺️
@@machinedrum17 Yes there was...stop lying to yourself
@@redember9380 No there wasn’t lol
@@machinedrum17 There was literally a little boy in the girl's changing room.
@@mimia.4810 no there was a girl who was born with the wrong body parts but that does not make her any less of a girl
This is a fail for me. Jeannie you lost me on this one. Nope! That is not a sibling! If I go to a spa, I don’t want no man genitalia hanging in my face because he identifies as female. And what if my daughter is with me. Wrong. Time and place.
So you making a whole cabin uncomfortable or adaptive for 1 child! Out of order. And without informing the parents that it’s a possibility PRIOR or AT sign up is WRONG. The camp officials could have also put things in place where there is a special cabin for children who thinks they are a different sex and still, still inform ALL parents at sign up that it’s an ‘open’ camp and children with different beliefs will also attend, giving ALL parents the opportunity to make the decision if they want their child to be exposed to that.
Y’all want parents to be parents selectively, taking away the rights of parents beliefs/religious or otherwise yet you want the same parents to raise upstanding contributors to society and still don’t want people to tell you how to raise your child. Y’all confused. Respect everyone’s beliefs. Parents have the rights to choose what, when, how they expose their child to in alignment with their beliefs.
We can never, never choose or change our race. To think you are trying to equate the over 400 years of struggles and slavery, kidnapping, lynching, rape, desecration/ brutality of entire communities and more of black people is disheartening and shameful.
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It's not right to force your ideologies on others. Make them feel bad for having different views. It's hypocrisy. The world we live in shouldn't force anything on anyone. Period. Let's respect one another and keep it moving.
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When you decide to step out of the norm in society nobody owes you acceptance this isn’t a fairytale there’s all types of people with different beliefs your job is to either not go that route or be strong enough to handle it what makes me mad is that a little kid doesn’t understand nor is cable of being strong enough at that age the parent of the child is the one to blame for deciding something so important so early and I don’t know how strong this kid might be to handle this but I know kids on school and they are cruel
This is too much for young children. I would not send my child to that camp. The parents child have not send their trans child to a camp in my opinion, knowing he would get teased or should have sent him dressed as his gender. That is not appropriate
So trans people can’t live their life ? Do normal things that everybody does growing up like going to camp? Why would they dress their trans child in clothing that they do not feel comfortable wearing ? I’m going to assume you are a woman ( correct me if I am wrong ) but imagine if your parents forced you to wear boys clothes growing up, cut your hair, made you go to an all boys camp? Would that not be traumatic for you? It’s the same for a trans child. Their body does not match up with how they feel inside.
@@dazedream2833 they can live their life, but the fact is not everyone is accepting of trans. That child is put in a situation where it could be dangerous to go to camp, kids can be mean. A child that young shouldn't even be exposed to that. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@GothicGodess not everybody is accepting and that’s a problem. Nobody should have to hide who they are because of other people. If the child is trans they should be able to go to the camp they feel most comfortable in. Yea kids are going to be mean not just at camp , but at school also. Should they not go to school? This is the real world and they are going to face challenges because of close minded ignorant people that’s just how it is.
@@dazedream2833 Stop simplifying the issue to "people not wanting Trans ppl to live their lives", obviously that's not what's up for debate.
The issue is a group of little girls had to be exposed to male genitalia, and had to have their private space invaded.
Should trans "girls" and "women" be in women and girls spaces?
she* her* use their correct pronouns. a trans girl who was born with the wrong body parts.
Maybe the answer to inclusivity is modesty. I always thought it was odd that people are expected to be comfortable undressing in front of others just because they were the same gender. Maybe locker rooms and other shared changing spaces should have panels built in for privacy like store dressing rooms have. I have more concern for the privacy and comfort of the transgender child. They’re the ones that would be the most vulnerable in that situation. Parents should just teach their children that no one person is that same and if the child has any questions about something they see they should direct those questions to their parent who will tell them all they need to know.
Right I hated having to change in front of other people or risk getting in trouble. The fact that schools and camps are allowed to FORCE children to change in front of other people is weird
I’m gonna have to disagree. This is a whole problem...
So it's transphobic to NOT want your child to see male genitalia!? I get that this show is one sided, however trust and believe that half of Americans Do Not subscribe to that nonsense! We Are Pushing Back! Leave our kids Alone!
thanks for making sense!
Exactly!! This show is a joke because they have no contrasting opinions.
I don’t think it’s transphobic not to want the your children to see the genitalia of the opposite sex but I do think it’s transphobic to assume that your child is in some sort of danger just because they are sleeping in the same space as a transgender child. That’s what a lot of these parents are implying. The reality is that none of these kids should be changing in front of each other at camp. I was a camp counselor for a summer and that was one of the rules.
@@lynne709 so you believe biological males that claim to be transgender should be allowed in women’s bathrooms as well? The issue is that it’s a safety risk for girls. Someone can claim to be trans just to take advantage of girls. Although rare, it’s not something we should ignore.
@@halleann6495 Yes I do actually because I’m uncomfortable with the almost definite possibility of a human being being harassed or worse by other people because they were forced to use the restroom that corresponds with their assigned gender at birth.
I would of been mad too, there’s a difference between seeing your brother’s pee and a stranger. People are too afraid now of anything I’m sorry the other parents should have been told about that other camper it can trigger something in other people too
Not everyone wants there kids exposed to this...
Bethany is correct I am so tired of these let's all be exclusive people. I have a right to not accept it and I have a right to know if my child is going to a camp where people want to accept it. I swear all these people going to have to answer to God keep going ahead and accepting everything this sinful world give you. Never thought I would see the day that people call wrong right and right wrong I don't care how you want to be identified biologically you are what you were born with and if you have not had that part removed that mean girls can get pregnant at this camp cuz your body still produces sperm.
You’ll answer to god about that synthetic wig ma’am
And for the people in the back that will say they are to young to see body parts please tell your kids to wash with clothes on, stop letting your part time baby daddy’s walk around with just boxers on and their prints out, stop walking around the house with no bras on, stop bathing with your kids, don’t let your kids go to a pool, stop leaving your kids at daycares and public schools and ohhh yeah stop trusting everybody that come around with a smile and a few bible scriptures!!!!!
-Management
EWWW NO NO NOOOO Not Okay Thats not okay for the other little girls. If the other boys cant change with the girl why does she?
There should be policy to cover at all times of your privates. At any camp. Period. Parent does need to know, of any exposure privates. I do get people are all different, but got to be appropriate exposure. God lives all still. God lived us 1st he died for all. God's grace. I pray for us all to learn to except differences. Pray for truth. On Jesus name amen
I miss Tamera on these shows❤️
Many American parents are so prude. Parents here are ok with kids watching movies with violence and guns but God forbid we have to talk to them about human anatomy. Lot of you need to grow up.
Man! I am oh so glad my kids are grown! This brave new world is confusing and downright scary. As a Christian mom relating in love to the world yet wanting to be true to the precepts of my faith, I honestly don't know how I would navigate in today's world as a mother of small kids. Prayers go up for all you parents of young kids. It's rough out there! Rough for us all of course but these are some added challenges right here.🙏
I feel you it's so hard to navigate. You don't want to offend anyone and you want to love everyone but at the same time you want to protect your kids. My kids are young but I am glad I live in South Africa I'm not even going to lie
I think religion faith should have been included in this conversation
@@bethmaharaj9047 me too I'm in Zim and being Christian and a mum of a baby it scares me...
@@bethmaharaj9047 These are not prevalent issues in South Africa at this time then? If not I pray it doesn't become so.
It's a blessing your children are grown. You pray fast and teach you children the word of God so that none of this would be a surprise. They know righteously right from wrong in their hearts. And if we train them up in the way they should go they won't depart. Even if they drift away for a time they'll return. God bless you for your Godly comment. I am a saved born again believer that is just too blunt. Asking God to give me wisdom in my delivery so people don't miss the message. ❤️
This talk seems rehearsed from start to finish. Bravo bravo bravo. The Real should let Garcelle speak her mind unplugged. I can clearly see how she seems more open on RHOBH.
so true
I would be pissed
Jeanine and Adrienne are totally wrong. You can't compare family members with strangers. That's just wrong in every levels. Parents should have a right to know what their kids are getting exposed to especially sexuality. My parents protected me from watching any shows or movies that included nudity or sex. It's not to the camp staff to decide for the kids or the parents. The parents should have the conversation with their children. Parents are always telling their children if doneoneone exposed their genetalial or touches you to report it to parents or an adult. That is why this conversation should happen with the parents and child.
You can tell Jeannie is getting ready for true motherhood. She’s so well-Informed and staying up to date with all the parent articles and books.. I love this for her ❤️❤️
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Cute but no book in the world can prepare you.. It's all theory till you live it. Trust me.
@@jaiyaalexandra144 I’m just glad she trying 😂 a lot of parents don’t give AF
@@TheTomale yes that part absolutely she’s doing her best.
Its going to be a 'woke' child, I gather by examining Jeannie's responses to woke issues.
I would’ve been traumatized. Seeing your brothers genitalia vs someone random is completely different not a fair comparison. But I also would’ve been traumatized seeing another girls genitalia too at that age.
I usually agree with Jeanie, but not this time! I wonder how she would feel if her child was the one being exposed to a male's genitals? There are times when only experience is the best teacher...and this is one of them!
I feel you👍. But I also believe Jeannie wholeheartedly believes what she is saying. She's like an advocate for it.
especially after being sexually abused herself..... I'm astonished.
@@kennethhilton8700 I'm glad you brought up this point. People overlook the fact that many women and girls have been sexually abused and therefore are traumatized by the sight of penises. It's unfair to expose them to a penis in a space they thought was safe :/
She would out up with it for the sake of wokeness
Wait wait wait.....the issue isn't a trans issue, why are ANY of these kids seeing genitalia???? This is ABSOLUTELY inappropriate at a camp.
Jeannie has lost her mind. Think of it like this: a nine-year-old is playing with a child that looks like a female. They getting ready for bed and some how this child see that the kid she thought was a female has male parts. At that moment confusion has enter. Now you have just inserted a conversation into my home I didn’t want. If the camp would have gave the parents a heads up they could have prepared or sent there child to another camp. They have the right to be trans I have the right as the parent to protect my nine-year-old child from this conversation. Loni please stop putting race and trans in the same category.
Right! On all accounts.
A similar situation happened not to long ago at a spa (she did a live vid), a mother and young daughter was at in the steam area and the man who identified as a woman took his clothes off and had his genitals hanging out. The mom was livid and the spa was ‘accepting’, allowing all women and underaged daughter to be exposed to that. A whole spa of women for 1 man.
Then have a special unisex area then or put a sign letting all customers know it’s an ‘open’ spa and allow persons to choose.
Stop being transphobic. Just have the conversation that people come in different shapes, forms, and sizes. You're uncomfortable but there will be always different types of people in this world
@@vapor5145 different type yes different gender no.
We gonna see when they have kids….ijs
Way to go Garcelle, I personally feel children should be taught by parents regarding the difference between a boy, girl and a tran. I also personally would hate for my 9 yo daughter to see something she isn't ready to or even want to see. Its the parents job to decide when they will expose children to this matter. Not the world's.
you can't ignore the world while living in it.
5:38 I'm quite disturbed...
Same here
very hollyweird
The parents should have been informed. No way would I want my female child exposed to male genitalia.
The real question is how is a child at 9 years old picking there sexual gender wtf is going on in the world…..when I was all I wanted to do watch watch tv and drive on go karts🤦🏾♂️
Their experience is not same as yours. Trans people exist because we knew we were Trans from a young age.
I would be as horrified as Bethany, the new normal is not normal. What pisses me off is how everyone dances around the subject and afraid to speak their true truth.