How to Record Professional Audio and Timecode With the Tentacle Sync E on Mirrorless Cameras [2021]
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- Using timecode with my cameras is incredible to be able to easily sync everything up in post! But it also meant giving up my mic port on my cameras… until today! Tentacle Sync created a cable with which you can use your TRS/mini Jack mic and at the same time also record timecode provided by the Sync E device! Let's check it out!
The Tentacle Sync E, Track E, and Y Cable were provided to me by Tentacle Sync GmbH. They do not have any input on the content of my video.
🔗 Relevant Links:
Timecode Syncing Video, my Playlist: crsp.li/PlaylistTimecode
⚡️ Product Links:
Tentacle Y-Cable - Timecode & External Mic: crsp.li/TentacleYCable
Tentacle Sync E - Timecode Provider: crsp.li/SyncE
Tentacle Track E - Tiny 32bit float 1 channel audio recorder: crsp.li/TrackE
Zoom F6 - 32bit float 6 channel audio recorder: crsp.li/ZoomF6
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🎧 Chapters / Show Notes:
00:00 Intro
00:20 Transparency
00:45 The Problem
01:40 Solution: Using other Audio Recorders
02:19 Sync E Built-In Microphone
03:11 Solution: The Special Cable
03:39 How to use the. Y-Cable
04:44 Plug-In Power Still Works
05:37 Mic Comparison (Built-Into Sync E vs External Mic)
06:28 Conclusion
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Have spent the whole afternoon searching how to work this out. Finally find your video - THANK YOU!! ❤
Fantastic!
I considered this solution as well. I am glad it works. I would probably rather order cables and jacks myself to solder something together manually. That's not even about cost (even though that is cheaper) as much as having something that fits perfectly to my camera rig.
That's of course always an option - and for perfect fit… you can't go any better.
You can even find the soldering diagram on the tentacle sync website
Would it be possible to do this setup without the tentacle brand cable? Such as with a Hosa cable that splits a stereo signal into L and R?
Thanks, great info again!!!
You bet!
Would this work if your camera has a limiter enabled? I wonder how loud the tiemsync runs and if the camera limits Rode mic it will limit tentacle track as well...
The problem is that the limited SMTP Time code signal cannot be understood by most time code sync applications.
Hi I use the same set up with a tentacle sync E set connected via a Y sync E cable to a full frame camera S5iix. The other tentacle is connected to a zoom F6. But each time my tentacle is on, I've been getting a super loud high frequency noise on all my shots ruining all the sound of 3 entire day shoots. I thought it was coming from my mic set up (a sanken CS-1, connected to a XVIVE P1 phantom power supply, but the sound works fine when I test that my sound is recorded properly, so I didn' t notice that the problem occurs only when I record my images with the Tentacle on. What do I do wrong? Is there something i need to set up in the camera so it works properly? Mic socket is set to Mic. I didn't touch anything in the timecode menu. Maybe it needs to be set up?
Great video! I was just looking into buying a standard set of tentacle generators and was wondering what would be the best way to capture audio with timecode and 2 synced cameras simultaneously. Of course the other way to do it is to jam TC into a Zoom F6 and record sound into that. That's a bit more expensive as a solution but may be a better investment of money for other uses. What do you think?
Thank you, in terms of your setup: I think it depends. I wanted a solution like this for when I am on the road and don't want to carry the F6 + cameras + all the other stuff but I still want to be able to record with the on camera mic (Røde VideoMic NTG) or use the Røde Wireless GO unit.
I think if you are not yet using the F6 and do not plan on investing into XLR microphones any time soon, these cables would be the smarter choice.
shoul i use in 100 fps ?
nice!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Wow, I've been wondering about this exact scenario for the last few weeks as I try to decide between the Rode Wireless Go ii and the Tentacle Sync Track E. I think they would both be useful in certain situations but being able to record audio and input timecode is certainty going to make the decision a little more difficult. I wonder if you can run the Rode Go ii through a TSync and still get timecode? Hmmm more research to do. Thanks for the very helpful video.
Hello, for sure you can use these Y-Cables + the Tentacle Sync E and record the audio and the timecode. One thing would be missing: if you want to record two people with the Go ii in split mode (left one person, right the other), then you would not be able to do that with the Y-Cable + Sync E since the Y-Cable puts the mic on one channel and the timecode on the other - so the audio would always be mixed into one channel.
However, with the Wireless GO II you also get the local recording on the device which you can later wave form match (sadly not timecode based).
And personally: if you want to have higher quality audio with timecode, then I would choose the Track E + Sync E set.
If you want to be able to live stream / do live video work, the Wirless Go ii would be the better investment.
If it helps, I have the Wireless Go ii and still bought 2 Tentacle Track Es. The Tentacle will not have to be in range so for my Application say a Wedding I set the Timecode Sync and 1 can follow the Groom on one location and the other can follow the Bride in a completely separate location and all sync later in post by the time sync.
They are both great devices.
Lastly I have the Zoom F6 that I run the base of the Wireless Go II into so the Rode is actually catching the time code from going into the Zoom F6 as a 32 Bit float recording.
Tentacles will live on my primary talent and the Rode Wireless Go II will catch other talent or ambient sounds in real-time. This is a lot of power for audio capture, definitely worth it.
Question: Want to sync two (!) Canon EOS R7 and the Zoom F6. Is it possible to do this with the tentacle or are there any other solutions? Can I use the timecode generator of the F6 alone?
The Tentacle Sync E Set would work for this.
Setup & Sync the Sync E with the App.
Connect one Sync E to the Zoom F6 (with the correct settings of Free Run and Continue from external).
Then the F6 has it's own timecode running in sync with the Sync E.
Then you can connect the two Sync E to the two cameras mic in ports.
Alternatively, you can use the timecode by wire method described in this video: ruclips.net/video/an9Nu9ICSRI/видео.html
Great video. I was wondering with this set up, with the shotgun audio in the right and timecode in the left channel, how does it sound when you just watch the video clip as is? Like in a basic media player? Like do you hear the scratch audio from the mic AND also the weird timecode sound? Hope that makes sense.
Yes, you will hear both. The audio and the SMPTE Timecode audio sound. Only way to not have that is to try to select just one audio channel in the program you are using. This is one of the few things I dislike about working with timecode.
@@ChrisSpiegl I had the exact same question and am a little confused about this. How were you able to isolate just the scratch audio from the tentacle sync then if you have the weird timecode sound and the scratch audio on the same channel?
Hi Chris I have an R5. Can Premiere Pro automatically sync the annoying timecode sound? Does it recognize the sound as timecode?
No, at this time Premiere Pro does not have Audio Timecode Syncronization and only supports "Metadata Timecode".
There is a feature request in the Premiere Pro forum by Adobe… but they haven't given any information if and when this will be implemented.
Chris any idea how to get my Tascam DR-10Ls into this timecode workflow?
There is probably no way.
Very good review, thank you 🙂One question: With the A7Siii, is it possible to connect Tentacle Sync to the camera in parallel to the Sony B1M (only with hotshoe)? I would like to record the sound in parallel with the B1M on the camera and flexible microphones (on guests, groom, bride). Each audio device should be recorded on its own audio track. Thanks for your help!
Yeah looking for the same answer
Chris thx for the video. But does track e also generate timecode? Then you had timecode on channel a and 32 bit float audio on rode mic. Would that be possible?
The Track E is an audio recorder and does not provide timecode as an output.
But the files recorded by the Track E have timecode information the meta data which makes them syncable with all other timecode files.
it is possible with new firmware
Hello Chris, do you know if the Y cables will work with the Rode VideoMic pro?
I'd say yes, since I am using the Rode VideoMic NTG which is just a furhter development of the pro version.
Hi, thank you for sharing this video about tentacle, good job👍
I wanna ask about track e, can I use “track e”direct plug into my camera’s mic hole to use as a “sync e”, because I have two track e, but I don’t have sync e, I want to use one of them as a timecode to camera.
Thank you for listening😊
I have had the same idea and proposed it to the team but so far this does not work - sadly. 😔
@@ChrisSpiegl Yeah Ive been trying this out on my a7siii for the past three days and does not work.
Please can you do a video where you show the full workflow of how to use the tenticle sync with two track e lav mics and also the rode go mic? Including how u sync all the time code up in post with video? 🙏🏼
Also does the rode mic record 32 bit float with this splitter cable setup?
Will this work with Rode wireless Pro timecode capable wireless lav system? I own Panasonic S5ii and Rode wireless pro.
Wireless pro receiver is capable of having timecode channel on One channel and two transmitter Left and Right channel in another channel. So can I just plug in my Rode NTG on one end of splitter cable and rode wireless pro receiver on the other end and have timecode compatibility? Rode transmitters have timecode built into it so I can then have seperate mono tracks from both transmitters and sky is the limit.
I think the easier solution would be to get a TRS splitter cable with Left / Right separated.
Then set the Wireless Pro to output Timecode on both channels.
Then you connect:
Left: NTG
Right: Wireless Pro Receiver Timecode
=> You can sync all that in DaVinci Resolve (Premier Pro is lacking audio time code support at the moment).
You can't get NTG + Wireless Timecode + Wireless Left/Right since the camera can only do Left/Right audio which is two channels and the NTG+Timecode+Wireless would be something like 3 or 4 channels.
@@ChrisSpiegl Perfect. This was exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you so much.
Hey Chris, would the y cable work with a Rode wireless pro?
The problem with a simple Y cable is often that then you mix some channels together that should not be mixed. This cable keeps things cleaner and separated. But one can always try if you already have the cables around.
Here, specifically with the Tentacle Sync E it's a problem because mixing Left+Right would mean the Timecode SMPTE signal is mixed with the built in mic of the Sync E which then makes it that you may not be able to sync it any more in post.
So one would need: Y cable to go into the camera with Sync E and Microphone => Y cable going out of the Sync E to only get the Timecode into the input that the Sync E is going into on the Y cable connected to the camera.
Tricky thing to think about… probably needs a diagram.
thank you very much for sharing this! I wish I had seen this sooner :( .. I recorded video with the r6ii juts with the timecode generator plugged. I only have the scratch sound for this camera footage, the other one has a dedicated timecode port. what work around can i do to get this sync. I tried in Davinci but is all messed up :( can you please give me some advice on how I can sync this properly?
Sounds like both cameras have timecode then. In Resolve you can sync audio timecode and metadata timecode via the timecode sync function. I have a video about this: ruclips.net/video/29CjqfGoKwI/видео.html
@@ChrisSpiegl great! i will watch your video and hope this solves my issue.
I bought this cable, branded by Tentacle Sync and IT DOESN"T WORK.....it seems the timecode TLC signal noise contaminates/bleeds into the audio input from the other input...you can hear BOTH the TLC and the other audio sorta mixed together in the right channel. Very disappointed.
Please contact the Tentacle Sync Support Team. They are very helpful and friendly.
Another solution is to use an Atomos Ninja V mic port as an aditional channel
I agree - IF you have an Atomos Ninja V. But I think the cable is cheaper than an Atomos Ninja V 🙈.
The title of this video should have been "How to use Tentacle Sync E AND a shotgun Mic at the same time".
The title of this video implies a tutorial on how to use Tentacle Sync E and thats not what this video was at all.
I must be doing something wrong. I have 2 tentacle syncs attached to an EOS R5 and R6 using the audio jacks out to the audio jacks in to the cameras. The App shows both devices sync'd to time code just fine. When i listen to the video on the PC, i can hear the time code track. But when I pull them into the Tentacle Sync Studio, they aren't matched up. Any ideas?
I’ve never had that issue. One thing that comes to mind is audio levels. Maybe check that the sync e devices are set to output either automatic or mic level audio. Then also make sure the cameras input have set audio levels so that they don’t clip all the time. Note that the Timecode signal is only on one channel. Change those things and maybe then they can be synced properly.