By definition, Master Duel executes everything correctly. I mean, it's literally Konami's official product. Coder is just on massive copium by saying this is UDE ruling or something.
@@deproissant well I still cant decide if ameno first resolves or demise. Also cant decide in wich sequence I want to trigger my metaphys monsters in the standby phase wich also is extremly important, making that deck almost unplayable. And yes its on select and on "on"
@@deproissantMaster Duel has inaccurate rulings sometimes, but they're treated like bugs and fixed when identified. That said, I think that they should make what happens in the official simulator just BE the ruling, and if the game changes, so does the ruling.
tbf the card text on the card is actually wrong, since according to PSCT guidelines Coder's ruling was correct, the card would have to specify you can't activate it from the hand in some way. But because this card was printed back when card text was messy and often blatantly incorrect This card doesn't do what it says, At least according to Master Duel, which likely used a forum post referencing a game with obsolete rulings, Since that's the only first party ruling on this cards activation through its own effect. That being said if people ever take this question to an event, they might actually errata the card.
I love how curse of fiend is similar to Warrior of Atlantis. It's a card that should not be legally activateble, but Konami decided to pull a Todd Howard and say, "It just works." (If anyone is wondering what Warrior of Atlantis does, it discards it self to search A Legendary Ocean, a card that technically does not exist because it's name is always treated as Umi.)
@@PaladinfffLeeroy The card A Legendary Ocean has the text "This card is always treated as Umi", meaning even while in the deck, its name is Umi. As such, Warrior of Atlantis, which can search A Legendary Ocean, shouldn't be able to search it, as there is no card by the name "A Legendary Ocean" in the deck. Konami has ruled that Warrior of Atlantis can search it because that's its whole gimmick. Edit: This also means that cards that call out other cards, like Crossout Designator and Mind Crush, can't legally call A Legendary Ocean, as there is no card by that name in any duel.
The logic for me: You can only activate a Normal Spell from hand during the Main Phase, unless otherwise listed, so if a Normal Spell says to activate it outside of the main phase, then unless otherwise listed, it means activating it from the field like a trap card. Here's another Curse of Fiend Ruling question: if you activate Dust Tornado during your draw or standby phase and use its secondary effect to set Curse of Fiend, can you activate it in that same standup phase, or does it operate under Quick-Play Spell rules?
I think you can... The ruling about a set card not being able to activated in the same turn it was set only applies to Traps and Quick-Play spells. If CoF takes on the properties of a Normal Spell enough to not be activated from the hand, then it should by all means also take those properties in this situation.
I am 100% convinced this is a misprinted quick-play spell that never got the little icon, because Mirage Tube is also a quick-play spell that can't be activated from hand lmaooo
I believe YGOPro (and now EDOPro) is based on OCG, including their rulings. As far as I know OCG has this official ruling database in Japanese that players can look up, which means rulings will be consistent more of than not. Compared to OCG though, TCG is basically wild west. That's why you have an actual official judge like Tombox going with "you know, just ask your head judge" every time he's asked about an obscure ruling.
Coder if you read this, just get together a video of all the crazy card rulings you and everyone else have tested so far. I'm pretty sure people will watch it.
I don't know how there are so many people saying it makes sense. The card is clearly missing some words for its activation requirement. You normally can't play a normal spell outside of the main phases, but this card says it has to be activated in the standby phase. When I draw it for turn and go into the standby phase, how have I not met the activation requirement of the card? If it has to be set first, it should be a trap.
It says you activate it during standby, it doesn't say you can play it from your hand during standby. Game rules clearly state you can only play spells from hand during the main phase(s). Since curse only says activate, you must have it in a position where you can activate it during standby. Since it doesn't say from hand, it therefore must be set.
@@joshuaarnett762 I see. You can only "play" the card during the main phase by setting it. I still think it's not intuitive, and the card should just say, "You can only activate this SET card during the standby phase." It's one word that fixes everything without having to make the card a trap.
@@puddleths Being realistic it should probably say "You can only activate this card from your hand in the standby phase." But if the being set is intentional, then yeah, that would also make it make sense
It works similarly to how the effects of continuous spells work, is how I ration it. Just because Burning land activates its effect during the standby phase doesn't mean you can activate the card from hand during standby. The wording is unclear, 100% absolutely, but Konami only updates card text when it reprints cards, they don't have an up-to-date problem solved database like wotc keeps for magic, and curse of fiend has only been printed the one time in 2002, so it's never received errata. Curse of fiend is an extreme example, but there's plenty of places where it's jarring if you play master duel enough to see a modern 2022 client that still has a massive chunk of cards without proper templated problem solving card text.
Didn't all spells have to be set before you used them that early in the series? In the first duel against kaiba in the manga Yugi sets reborn before using it, and I'm pretty sure he sets horn of the unicorn before using it against Pegasus.
Oooh, I understand why it's happening. From the official rule book: "You can only activate Spell Cards, except Quick-Play Spell Cards, during your Main Phase." Since curse of fiend is a normal spell, according to the rule book, you can only play the spell during your main phase with the exception of setting it. But that is stupid, since normally card rules can override the basic rules of the game. Curse fiend's effect states "You can only activate this card during your Standby Phase." So you should be able to play this card from your hand, then again it doesn't specify that you can activate it from your hand. Therefore the only way to activate this card is to set it and then activate it from the field during your standby phase. *Official Rule book:* img.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf *Website that has the rules in neat format:* yugioh.lastdraw.com/explanation/spell-card
Cards don’t just magically change the rules of the game. But you are completely right on your following statement. The card HAS to say that in can be activated from your hand. But it doesn’t. So the only way to use the card is if you set it first. The ruling is correct. I’m not exactly sure why Distant is so confused. It’s a strangly confusing card. But basically Konami wanted a card that you can only activate on your MP the second turn after you drew it. If it were spell speed 2, then you could activated in that same turn you drew it or your opponent’s turn, and Konami didn’t want that. So this was the only way to make this card work.
@@danielm2018 all they had to do was make it a trap card and say that it could be activated on YOUR standby phase and it would work literally exactly the same, Konami was just on some shit back in those days
Yeah, but at this point, why can you activate it if it's set? I didn't read anything in the rules that stated that set magic cards can be activated during the Standby Phase, unless of course they're quick spells
@@fratelloshi8578 Because the card states that you can only activate the card during your standby phase. The cards effect does warp the game's rules as long as the effect is clear.
the logic is that you need to play normal spell cards in your main phase. there is a difference between playing a spell card, setting a spell card and activating a spell card. you can only play/set the curse of fiend card in your main phase, however, you can only activate it in your standby phase. so there is no other way than setting it in your main phase, then activating it in your next standby phase.
I was actually sure that ygopro forums was correct since curse of fiend is not a quick-play, and only when it is on the board, the text: "you can only activate this during standby" is actually on. glad to see that has been cleared up.
So... fun story. I've been playing a Chaos Max deck ever since Master Duel started, and even before with Legacy of the Duelist. I was today years old when I discovered that Blue-Eyes Chaos Max Dragon cannot be revived from the gy by any means. Apparently, "Must be Ritual Summoned." means that it cannot be summoned by any other means, even if properly Ritual Summoned first. I was looking at some other Ritual Monsters, and I found Shinato, King of a Higher Plane. This Monster says: "This card can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card, Shinato's Ark." Apparently, it can also be Ritual Summoned with Advanced Ritual Art. Sometimes I hate the complicated Yu-gi-oh rules.
Here's a ruling I'd like some clarification on. Say you normal summon Superheavy Samurai Battleball to your field and activate its effect, targeting a Pendulum monster on the opponent's side of the field for a total level appropriate for one of my Superheavy synchros. What should happen and why? (the why part is the bit I'm more interested in)
The effect says to send to graveyard THEN special from extra deck, and as the pendulum would be sent to extra deck part A of the effect did not resolve as it says on the card text (aka not all the monsters in the effect were sent to GY) therefore no synchro monster is summoned
You can target a pendulum monster with the effect but since pendulum monster go to the extra deck instead the ''then'' part can't happen so the effect end there.
As far as I know if a card sends cards to the GY as an effect like Battleball they just go to the other place they would go to (like Pendulums or cards that say that they are banished when they leave the field) but if a card has to send something for cost you can't use these cards to pay the cost. So if the send stands before the ; you can't and if it stand after the ; you can but the card goes to the other place they would go to. But in the case of Battleball it specifically mentions that you have to “send both cards to the GY“ THEN. So the first part must be met to resolve the second part and because one card was not sent to the GY the second part can't resolve.
@@IyoMaestro Yeah. for some reason I was under the impression that Battleball's effect would overwrite the "send to the extra-deck" clause. Turns out it doesn't. Though EDO Pro would disagree it seems. Just wanted to make sure which game had it right between Master Duel and Edo Pro. Thanks guys! :D
This is probably because it doesn't state you can activate from your hand(like Imperm does) or because it is just not a Quick-Play. Either way this card would be much less confusing and convoluted with a extra clause or the Quick-Play icon (this set DID have Spell Icons)
Well only Quickplay spell cards can be activated from your hand in the standby phase. Since this card isn't one you have to play it first in your Main Phase and than you have to activate the effect on your next turn.
For reference: If you wanna test cards, put them in dragon decks. Because dragon decks have access to Galaxy Satellite Dragon, who's literally Destiny Draw with wings.
honestly i think everyone just forgot that it literally says "you can only activate this card during your standby phase" and it's a normal spell, which imply's that you would have to set it
I thought Curse Of Fiend wasn't printed as a Quick Play spell because there WEREN'T Quick Play spells when it was printed, so they didn't have rulings for playing Spells outside of the Main Phase from hand But it was on the set when Quick Plays were introduced, so i dunno what the fuck happened
Normal spell cards can be activated from your hand during main phase 1 or 2. curse of fiend has a condition saying it must be activated during the standby phase so it overwrites that game mechanic but it has no text saying you can't activate it from hand Wtf Konami
the logic is that you need to play normal spell cards in your main phase. there is a difference between playing a spell card, setting a spell card and activating a spell card. you can only play/set the curse of fiend card in your main phase, however, you can only activate it in your standby phase. so there is no other way than setting it in your main phase, then activating it in your next standby phase.
@@DK-cn1ey Interesting 🤔, so if when using a spell in hand it's technically played before the activation occurs but if it's already set (already played on the field) it only goes through activation when flipped up?
@@DK-cn1ey That would make sense, If that ruling didn't conflict with rulings on other cards. Infinite Impermanence specifically really messes with this, As not only does it say "activate this card" to indicate you need to put it on the field, When according to you it would have to say "play this card", But it also has a line that checks if it was on the field before activation, Meaning that it doesn't have to be to activate its effect. Also Non-Aggression Area does function in the way that is described, Because that's a trap card and thus isn't allowed to be activated from the hand.
@@BramLastname I am by no means an expert on this but afaik playing and activating are two different things but they usually happen at the same time You play a spell card = you place it face-up on the field You activate the spell = you declare the activation
@@DK-cn1ey my point is that the card (as written) allows you to declare its activation from hand because there's no text or game mechanic that prevents you from doing so. The fact that Master Duel doesn't allow you to do so means either The card doesn't work and needs an errata, Or the programmers looked up what the card does on unofficial forums. This is not the programmers' fault, The card has needed an errata for a while, Because regardless of if the effect is functional or not, The card text is missing a few words that modern cards use to solve these mechanical questions.
i'm still confused why this spell has to be set...must have something to do with standby phase activation but it's not clicking for me. i'm going to assume because in standby you can't play cards from your hand? thing is givin me a fuckin headache.
Note that the YGOPro goes higher than that forum. That forum is made by another fork of the ygopro community - Percy (predecessor of Ignis). The posts are not by ygopro admins or developers. They can be by anyone. It's like any forum - pojo or otherwise. The ygopro team itself doesn't have to call a random person to get the ruling. They can email KDE-J directly in Japanese to get the OCG ruling. There's an entire team from China and Japan that coordinate this. Sometimes these rulings are given even before the db.yugioh database updates. The ygopro scripts upstream have been maintained for last 10 years. They aren't infallible but people are using precedents and not just making up rulings. There's also tons of mistranslations in the TCG which is why the OCG ruling is used to avoid any chances of that and why in the TCG, the answer is "ask your head judge". In an auto sim, there can only be one answer. This card in particular, Curse of Fiend, should have a reprint. Same reason also why Spiritualism in the TCG does not say Target even though the database says it does.
I love Coder and all, but the fact that he constantly trashes auto-sim ruling is infuriating. Although in his defense, most of his viewerbase are TCG players, so
I'm pretty sure the reason you cannot activate from the hand is because it is a normal spell. Normal Spells can only be played from the hand during a main phase. So you have to set the card first so that it's activating condition can be met, which is also illegal, because normal spells cannot be activated during the standby phase, as they are spell speed 1. Except that this card specifically says that is only time you can activate it. So basically this boils down to the same thing that was wrong with "counter-counter". Counter Counter was originally a normal trap, that could only be activated in response to a counter trap, which is obviously illegal, except the card literally says that's how it works. So eventually years later they gave it an errata and made it a Counter Trap so that no one would ever be confused with a card they were never going to use anyway. It seems with "Curse of Fiend" they went halfway on the error. It should be a quick play spell, but can only be activated during "your" standby phase. That would fix all issues with the card. I don't know the specific reason for why it has to be set first, since the game knows what the card is, and knows that it can be activated. But even if we use the Spell Speed 1 argument, it should not be able to activate during the standby phase, whether from hand or field. So why it has to be set first makes no sense. The only thing I can think of, is because while in the hand, the game does recognizes that it is a spell speed 1 card, but not necessarily it's specific effect or activation timing. And when set the game recognizes it's activation window. It's probably some deep deep ruling that for literally anyother card is irrelevant. The only similar argument i can think of is something like cyber dragon. Which says blah blah"you can summon this card" but only on your turn during your main phase, which is not stated on the card. So it's most likely some sort of gamestate ruling.
This is interesting. They didn't even update the card text for digital adding a clause that it must be set. Also it was funny to see the reaction but yeah I think the season 2 of Progression Series should have Coder around for rulling stuff. It would be nice to see other obscure rules being tested in Master Duel as it is how Konami wants the cards to be played.
Coder you gave me a DB ruling on stream regarding magicians right hand, negating vision hero increase in the spell trap zone thinking he was considered a spell effect. However Masterduel says otherwise magicians right hand doesnt trigger on the effect of monsters in the spell trap zone that arent pendulums in the pendulum zone. This directely conflicts a ruling you gave me on stream. Can you investigate?
But you can, in fact that's the only time you can. Since it doesn't say "from your hand", it must obey normal spell card activation rules. It must therefore be in a position where you can activate it during standby, therfor, it must be set. Yes it's stupid, but it's totally understandable, if idiotic
It's a normal spell, in the game state you can't activate a spell during the standby phase from your hand, thus it would have to be on the field to activate. 🤷♂️
It makes sense though, normal spells are only able to be played during your main phases, but this one can only activate during a phase outside of the main phases. I've always seen curse of fiend to be a trap in spell's clothing
Curse of fiend was a misprint like counter counter it could only be activated when a counter trap but it’s original was not a counter curse of fiend is amazing being a regular spell with the text during stand by phase amazing og yugioh for the win
It makes sense for the card to only work with it already on the field. It specifically says "Activate" not "play." Playing a card, may result in the activation of a card (if you play the card face-up), but the activation of a card is not the same as playing a card. You play a card from your hand, be it playing face-down (setting), or face-up (activating). You are only allowed to ACTIVATE cards that are on the field, be it flipping the card over, or activating immediately after playing. As a result: in order to activate a card from you hand, you must first PLAY the card from your hand... Something that is not allowed during standby phase, unless a card effect gives you permission. As such, by wording: You cannot activate Curse of Feind from your hand, during standby phase, because you are not allowed to play cards from your hand during standby phase.
Every spell in the game says activate instead of play, This card should be errata'ed, but the last time this card got an errata was 2004, They obviously didn't bother updating it to PSCT for Master Duel, Instead the programmers just looked it up on an old forum, 'cuz nobody cares.
I guess the simple answer ends up being it follows game mechanics for normal spells because it dosnt have activate in hand as part of its text. Tldr The long answer You can only activate a card In hand if it said you can "activate this card in hand" for example.But if that text is missing and the card just wanted to activate then you would have to legally be able to play the card to activate it. Since you cant play/set a normal spell in standby. with out specific text to tell you it's activating in hand and not field it has to follow the game mechanism of normal spells can't be played In standby. Then when set/played in main phase you have met the game mechanism for normal spells so the card can now activate in standby.
I would also love to see how it interacts with a chain link, logic would dictate that you can't chain it to spell speed 2, with it being spell speed 1 so I'd assume that's the case. And could only activate as the start of its own chain
I have to assume that this works the way it does due to literal ancient rules. So ancient it pre-dates the TCG. I immediately think of "Junior Rules". One of the rules was that you must set a spell one turn before you can activate it. If this card were printed today it would be made a quick play explicitly stating you must set it first (or just a trap), then again they would never print this card in modern yugioh.
The worst thing is they have actually printed a trap card that can only activate during your standby phase, Which means that there is supposed to be a difference, but nobody know how or why they're different. (Non Aggression Area, released in between Curse of Fiend's last two errata's, in case you were wondering)
It's probably just because it can only activate in the Standby Phase. Lacking any precedent for how that works with Normal Spells, they just made it follow Trap rules.
Imagine, if Cimoo / Gage did call Distant for this ruling, it would have changed the result by a loong shot! He would've guided them to an even worse misplay cause Distant would be in the wrong xD
When is the first time this card appeared in a game? I guess that is when the ruling was created, and programers since then just look at what that guy did. Did that guy just go fuck it not going to think about it, now you can't activate it from hand or had like 10 meetings trying to decipher this thing
It makes sense though, quickplay spells are the only ones allowed to be played outside of the main phases and this is a normal spell that stipulates it's activation in a phase outside when it can be played, so the only legal way to play it is like a trap, you set it the turn before you want to use it
Okay, I see it now. It's literally because the last line in the card says "You can only activate this card during your Standby Phase", but this card isn't a quickplay spell, so the only way you are able to play the card is by first setting it down on the field and then activating it on Standby." What a card.
Wdym? Why would setting it change anything? Normal spells can't be activated during the standby regardless of if they are set or in the hand. Thus, the card text "you can only activate this card in the standby phase" should completely override and allow the card to be activated from hand.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 I'm almost certain that according to the actual rulebook for the the YGO card game itself that the only Spells that can be activated during any phase on your turn are Quick play spells, such as cards like MST and Called By the Grave. You can very much correct me if I'm wrong, I might have read something wrong, however I believe that is the case. I don't think all spells act like quick play spells.
@@5uberpwn2 yes, the only spells that can be activated during any phase are quick play spells. Normal spells can only be activated during the main phase. However, the normal spell being set or in the hand does not change this. "You can only activate this card in the standby phase" is a line that bypasses ordinary game rules and should (keyword should) allow the card to be activated from either hand OR set during your standby phase. The only reason it can only be activated after being set is because of a "konami said so" ruling that has nothing to do with what the card actually says.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 Not 100% true. The reason that it has to be set before being activated is because there is no situation where the card can be on the field and the effect can legally be activated. The last line "this card can only be activated on the standby phase" and it being *specifically* a normal spell is why this is the case. When any spell card that's not a continuous spell card is activated, it is removed from the field afterwards. Therefore, the only way that this card could LEGALLY be activated and stay on the field, face up, while allowing the card to remain active until the standby phase is if, and only if the card was a continuous spell card. As much as I would like to agree with the whole "konami said so", this is more of a whole "konami kind of just made a poor normal spell card" type of scenario. Because of how normal spells work per the game, that's why it has to be set before being activated. At least to my understanding.
@@5uberpwn2 that is not how normal spells work. It doesn't have to stay on the field. Curse of fiend is still activated and sent to the gy on resolution. It being a normal spell is why it can't be activated during the standby phase regardless of if it was set or not. Setting it changes nothing. The line "this card can only be activated in the standby phase" allows the card to bypass the traditional rule of not being allowed to activate normal spells in the standby phase, since card effects override game rules. The only reason it works this way is specifically because konami of China (I think it was koc, not completely sure) was asked about this and responded this way. It's not because the card text makes sense, it's because konami said so.
Aren't spells unable to be activated from hand in the standby phase, quickplay or not? Edit: Yeah pretty sure Quickplay spells have to be set in order to activate them during standby phases. Official rulebooks that I can find say you can activate traps and quickplay spell effects but doesn't specify "from the hand" at all.
It says it can be activated only during the stand-by phase so it makes sense since it's not quick the only way to use it in the stand-by is to set it before
What doesn’t make sense is that a spell card that isn’t a quick play needs to be used during stand by phase when u can’t use spells during stand by phase. So to be fair regular yugioh ruling completely fucks that card that’s why
It doesn't activate from hand on your standby phase, because it's not a quick play spell. That's why it always misses timing when you draw it. It's a card that would need an errata for it to make sense because you'd have to activate it like a trap card but only activate it on your next turn. I'm not sure if you could even salvage it with a previously set Dust Tornado on your standby phase after your draw the card because I'm under the assumption you could activate only one chain of events in a standby phase before it automatically moves to Main Phase 1 (I could be wrong). I would like to see that tested though.
I mean, thirds l this seems like an obvious ruling. It's a normal spell, not a quick play, so you can't activate it outside your Main Phase per the game mechanics. There are Spell cards that activate effects, outside of MP, like Swords of Revealing Light, which activates during the end phase, once a condition has been met. This seems exactly the same
But Swords of Revealing Light must be activated during your main phase, Just because continuous spells stick around, doesn't mean you don't have to activate them in the main phase.
@DistantCoder: and @other: Curse of fiend is a normal spell card with a condition that allows it to break the rules, and only break that rules, it is not allowed to followed the normal rules, of activating a normal spell card, and because it does not specified from where it can break the rules, it is all ways field only. I remember playing yugioh champion ship 2006, and 2007 video game and in both case even with does game curse of fiend would not allowed me to activated it from the hand during my stanbyphase.
Does DistantCoder Know Curse of Fiend Rulings? :)
New Series? 👀
CIMO WAS RIGHT!
Smile :)
The "NANI!?" moment is too real xDkekW. So..... YGOPro forum :)
Does Cimo win a match in Season 2? Before iOC?
Conspiracy theory: The Master Duel programmers made the card work that way because the looked up the interaction and found the YGOPro forum post.
I wouldn't be surprised when you consider that 99% of all programmers look regularly at StackOverflow (a forum for programming).
@@UtopiansDream relatable
@@UtopiansDream thank u stack lords
@@UtopiansDream comment marked as duplicate... Also stop giving away our secrets 😉
@@UtopiansDream hey as long as it works
A series based of "does Master Duel execute X obscure card ruling correctly" would be interesting...
By definition, Master Duel executes everything correctly. I mean, it's literally Konami's official product. Coder is just on massive copium by saying this is UDE ruling or something.
That cant be the series . They literally just played master duel to verify if they were right so it can’t work vice versa
@@deproissant Software bugs can't exist? I'd love to live in that world.
@@deproissant well I still cant decide if ameno first resolves or demise. Also cant decide in wich sequence I want to trigger my metaphys monsters in the standby phase wich also is extremly important, making that deck almost unplayable. And yes its on select and on "on"
@@deproissantMaster Duel has inaccurate rulings sometimes, but they're treated like bugs and fixed when identified.
That said, I think that they should make what happens in the official simulator just BE the ruling, and if the game changes, so does the ruling.
CIMO WAS RIGHT
POV: You're a professional Yu-Gi-Oh judge and you're about to get owned by a card printed in 2002
tbf the card text on the card is actually wrong,
since according to PSCT guidelines
Coder's ruling was correct, the card would have to specify you can't activate it from the hand in some way.
But because this card was printed back when card text was messy and often blatantly incorrect
This card doesn't do what it says,
At least according to Master Duel, which likely used a forum post referencing a game with obsolete rulings,
Since that's the only first party ruling on this cards activation through its own effect.
That being said if people ever take this question to an event, they might actually errata the card.
Whelp that's one ruling that was called correct in the progression series.
I love how curse of fiend is similar to Warrior of Atlantis. It's a card that should not be legally activateble, but Konami decided to pull a Todd Howard and say, "It just works." (If anyone is wondering what Warrior of Atlantis does, it discards it self to search A Legendary Ocean, a card that technically does not exist because it's name is always treated as Umi.)
If Warrior of Atlantis were erratad, they'd just say "card who's original name is A Legendary Ocean".
._. what?
Or interrupted kaiju slumber which works if players control kaijus even though it shouldnt work
@@PaladinfffLeeroy The card A Legendary Ocean has the text "This card is always treated as Umi", meaning even while in the deck, its name is Umi. As such, Warrior of Atlantis, which can search A Legendary Ocean, shouldn't be able to search it, as there is no card by the name "A Legendary Ocean" in the deck. Konami has ruled that Warrior of Atlantis can search it because that's its whole gimmick.
Edit: This also means that cards that call out other cards, like Crossout Designator and Mind Crush, can't legally call A Legendary Ocean, as there is no card by that name in any duel.
@@Dw7freak I'm pretty sure they can declare it since it is a card name that exists, they just wouldn't have any effect
The logic for me:
You can only activate a Normal Spell from hand during the Main Phase, unless otherwise listed, so if a Normal Spell says to activate it outside of the main phase, then unless otherwise listed, it means activating it from the field like a trap card.
Here's another Curse of Fiend Ruling question: if you activate Dust Tornado during your draw or standby phase and use its secondary effect to set Curse of Fiend, can you activate it in that same standup phase, or does it operate under Quick-Play Spell rules?
I think you can... The ruling about a set card not being able to activated in the same turn it was set only applies to Traps and Quick-Play spells. If CoF takes on the properties of a Normal Spell enough to not be activated from the hand, then it should by all means also take those properties in this situation.
it's not like you can activate set normal spells outside of the main phase either though
@@PkmnMT but you can with this card
@@Adderflail wdym, its litteraly on the card text that you can use it on standby phase
@@Adderflail I don't see the circle. Curse of fiends card text makes it an exception.
I wouldn't be opposed to hearing a full version of "Cimo Was Right"
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I am 100% convinced this is a misprinted quick-play spell that never got the little icon, because Mirage Tube is also a quick-play spell that can't be activated from hand lmaooo
Well, this card got 3 erratas. Honestly it should have been a quick play but I think Konami back then didn't want it to be broken.
This is why I trust YGOPro forums over judges. Judges be getting too cocky about rulings.
I believe YGOPro (and now EDOPro) is based on OCG, including their rulings. As far as I know OCG has this official ruling database in Japanese that players can look up, which means rulings will be consistent more of than not.
Compared to OCG though, TCG is basically wild west. That's why you have an actual official judge like Tombox going with "you know, just ask your head judge" every time he's asked about an obscure ruling.
Bro I'd be down to watch a whole bunch of ruling tests on master duel
MBT going on auto-pilot and Called by the Grave 'ing the block dragon when they're trying to test is so relatable.
Coder if you read this, just get together a video of all the crazy card rulings you and everyone else have tested so far. I'm pretty sure people will watch it.
I don't know how there are so many people saying it makes sense. The card is clearly missing some words for its activation requirement. You normally can't play a normal spell outside of the main phases, but this card says it has to be activated in the standby phase. When I draw it for turn and go into the standby phase, how have I not met the activation requirement of the card? If it has to be set first, it should be a trap.
It says you activate it during standby, it doesn't say you can play it from your hand during standby. Game rules clearly state you can only play spells from hand during the main phase(s). Since curse only says activate, you must have it in a position where you can activate it during standby. Since it doesn't say from hand, it therefore must be set.
@@joshuaarnett762 I see. You can only "play" the card during the main phase by setting it. I still think it's not intuitive, and the card should just say, "You can only activate this SET card during the standby phase." It's one word that fixes everything without having to make the card a trap.
@@puddleths Being realistic it should probably say "You can only activate this card from your hand in the standby phase." But if the being set is intentional, then yeah, that would also make it make sense
i think because it doesnt say "from your hand", so youd do it like a trap and set it first.
It works similarly to how the effects of continuous spells work, is how I ration it. Just because Burning land activates its effect during the standby phase doesn't mean you can activate the card from hand during standby. The wording is unclear, 100% absolutely, but Konami only updates card text when it reprints cards, they don't have an up-to-date problem solved database like wotc keeps for magic, and curse of fiend has only been printed the one time in 2002, so it's never received errata.
Curse of fiend is an extreme example, but there's plenty of places where it's jarring if you play master duel enough to see a modern 2022 client that still has a massive chunk of cards without proper templated problem solving card text.
I’m watching this a third time, just for you Distant!
The reason that Curse of Fiend has to be set is that's how it worked in the anime (Yu-Gi-Oh duel monsters Episode 051-The Mystery Duelist, Part 2)
Bruh 💀
Didn't all spells have to be set before you used them that early in the series? In the first duel against kaiba in the manga Yugi sets reborn before using it, and I'm pretty sure he sets horn of the unicorn before using it against Pegasus.
It makes perfect sense. Quick play spells are unique in the fact that they can be activated outside of the main phase, from hand
Certified "it works this way cuz Konami says so" moment
Except it's not even Konami who issued a ruling,
But it's Master Duel being weird with no actual trace of where this ruling came from.
Oooh, I understand why it's happening.
From the official rule book:
"You can only activate Spell Cards, except Quick-Play Spell Cards, during your Main Phase."
Since curse of fiend is a normal spell, according to the rule book, you can only play the spell during your main phase with the exception of setting it.
But that is stupid, since normally card rules can override the basic rules of the game.
Curse fiend's effect states "You can only activate this card during your Standby Phase."
So you should be able to play this card from your hand, then again it doesn't specify that you can activate it from your hand.
Therefore the only way to activate this card is to set it and then activate it from the field during your standby phase.
*Official Rule book:* img.yugioh-card.com/en/downloads/rulebook/SD_RuleBook_EN_10.pdf
*Website that has the rules in neat format:* yugioh.lastdraw.com/explanation/spell-card
Cards don’t just magically change the rules of the game. But you are completely right on your following statement. The card HAS to say that in can be activated from your hand. But it doesn’t. So the only way to use the card is if you set it first. The ruling is correct. I’m not exactly sure why Distant is so confused.
It’s a strangly confusing card. But basically Konami wanted a card that you can only activate on your MP the second turn after you drew it. If it were spell speed 2, then you could activated in that same turn you drew it or your opponent’s turn, and Konami didn’t want that. So this was the only way to make this card work.
@@danielm2018 all they had to do was make it a trap card and say that it could be activated on YOUR standby phase and it would work literally exactly the same, Konami was just on some shit back in those days
Yeah, but at this point, why can you activate it if it's set? I didn't read anything in the rules that stated that set magic cards can be activated during the Standby Phase, unless of course they're quick spells
@@danielm2018 I mean, it is a Magic card xD, but yeah
@@fratelloshi8578 Because the card states that you can only activate the card during your standby phase. The cards effect does warp the game's rules as long as the effect is clear.
the logic is that you need to play normal spell cards in your main phase. there is a difference between playing a spell card, setting a spell card and activating a spell card.
you can only play/set the curse of fiend card in your main phase, however, you can only activate it in your standby phase. so there is no other way than setting it in your main phase, then activating it in your next standby phase.
"Does DIstantCoder Know Old Card Rulings?" episode when.
70% of us have already seen this due to obvious malicious content robbery. But
Ima just let this play so Coder can get the revenue he should.
It breaks some of the rules but not all of the rules
I was actually sure that ygopro forums was correct since curse of fiend is not a quick-play, and only when it is on the board, the text: "you can only activate this during standby" is actually on. glad to see that has been cleared up.
Im really enjoying the master duel mythbuster series 😂
Imagine a kid that started playing Yugioh in 2016 trying to discuss a 2003 card rulling with a boomer like Cimooooo
Ah, I was curious if anyone playing Master Duel would take the Cimo challenge.
So... fun story. I've been playing a Chaos Max deck ever since Master Duel started, and even before with Legacy of the Duelist. I was today years old when I discovered that Blue-Eyes Chaos Max Dragon cannot be revived from the gy by any means. Apparently, "Must be Ritual Summoned." means that it cannot be summoned by any other means, even if properly Ritual Summoned first.
I was looking at some other Ritual Monsters, and I found Shinato, King of a Higher Plane. This Monster says: "This card can only be Ritual Summoned with the Ritual Spell Card, Shinato's Ark." Apparently, it can also be Ritual Summoned with Advanced Ritual Art.
Sometimes I hate the complicated Yu-gi-oh rules.
Here's a ruling I'd like some clarification on. Say you normal summon Superheavy Samurai Battleball to your field and activate its effect, targeting a Pendulum monster on the opponent's side of the field for a total level appropriate for one of my Superheavy synchros. What should happen and why? (the why part is the bit I'm more interested in)
The effect says to send to graveyard THEN special from extra deck, and as the pendulum would be sent to extra deck part A of the effect did not resolve as it says on the card text (aka not all the monsters in the effect were sent to GY) therefore no synchro monster is summoned
You can target a pendulum monster with the effect but since pendulum monster go to the extra deck instead the ''then'' part can't happen so the effect end there.
As far as I know if a card sends cards to the GY as an effect like Battleball they just go to the other place they would go to (like Pendulums or cards that say that they are banished when they leave the field) but if a card has to send something for cost you can't use these cards to pay the cost. So if the send stands before the ; you can't and if it stand after the ; you can but the card goes to the other place they would go to. But in the case of Battleball it specifically mentions that you have to “send both cards to the GY“ THEN. So the first part must be met to resolve the second part and because one card was not sent to the GY the second part can't resolve.
@@IyoMaestro Yeah. for some reason I was under the impression that Battleball's effect would overwrite the "send to the extra-deck" clause. Turns out it doesn't. Though EDO Pro would disagree it seems. Just wanted to make sure which game had it right between Master Duel and Edo Pro. Thanks guys! :D
This is probably because it doesn't state you can activate from your hand(like Imperm does) or because it is just not a Quick-Play.
Either way this card would be much less confusing and convoluted with a extra clause or the Quick-Play icon (this set DID have Spell Icons)
Well only Quickplay spell cards can be activated from your hand in the standby phase. Since this card isn't one you have to play it first in your Main Phase and than you have to activate the effect on your next turn.
You know it’s a jank card when you look up pictures and it calls it a “Magic Card”. That’s so funny.
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The concept of a Normal Spell being activated during the Standby is just cursed.
We should make this a series to test random shit or old cards, therefor judges don't have to flip coins anymore lmao
They should just errata Curse of Fiend to be a Trap Card and all confusion about it would evaporate overnight.
For reference: If you wanna test cards, put them in dragon decks. Because dragon decks have access to Galaxy Satellite Dragon, who's literally Destiny Draw with wings.
Coder out here like "Why didn't they call me so that I could tell them wrong?" : )
LMAOOOOO funniest video you've posted in a minute, whoever edited the video did a great job
honestly i think everyone just forgot that it literally says "you can only activate this card during your standby phase" and it's a normal spell, which imply's that you would have to set it
It really doesn't though
loving how the Progression keeps finding ways to stay relevant
Saw that live, loved every second of it.
I thought Curse Of Fiend wasn't printed as a Quick Play spell because there WEREN'T Quick Play spells when it was printed, so they didn't have rulings for playing Spells outside of the Main Phase from hand
But it was on the set when Quick Plays were introduced, so i dunno what the fuck happened
I think it was an anime card or something, so while it was printed in the same set as the first Quick-Play Spells, it probably predated them.
Omg! “That CIMO WAS RIGHT!” Part was great!
Did they get someone to make that?
Normal spell cards can be activated from your hand during main phase 1 or 2. curse of fiend has a condition saying it must be activated during the standby phase so it overwrites that game mechanic but it has no text saying you can't activate it from hand
Wtf Konami
the logic is that you need to play normal spell cards in your main phase. there is a difference between playing a spell card, setting a spell card and activating a spell card.
you can only play/set the curse of fiend card in your main phase, however, you can only activate it in your standby phase. so there is no other way than setting it in your main phase, then activating it in your next standby phase.
@@DK-cn1ey Interesting 🤔, so if when using a spell in hand it's technically played before the activation occurs but if it's already set (already played on the field) it only goes through activation when flipped up?
@@DK-cn1ey That would make sense,
If that ruling didn't conflict with rulings on other cards.
Infinite Impermanence specifically really messes with this,
As not only does it say "activate this card" to indicate you need to put it on the field,
When according to you it would have to say "play this card",
But it also has a line that checks if it was on the field before activation,
Meaning that it doesn't have to be to activate its effect.
Also Non-Aggression Area does function in the way that is described,
Because that's a trap card and thus isn't allowed to be activated from the hand.
@@BramLastname I am by no means an expert on this but afaik playing and activating are two different things but they usually happen at the same time
You play a spell card = you place it face-up on the field
You activate the spell = you declare the activation
@@DK-cn1ey my point is that the card (as written) allows you to declare its activation from hand because there's no text or game mechanic that prevents you from doing so.
The fact that Master Duel doesn't allow you to do so means either
The card doesn't work and needs an errata,
Or the programmers looked up what the card does on unofficial forums.
This is not the programmers' fault,
The card has needed an errata for a while,
Because regardless of if the effect is functional or not,
The card text is missing a few words that modern cards use to solve these mechanical questions.
Plot twist:
YGOPRO forum was the info source of ME
i'm still confused why this spell has to be set...must have something to do with standby phase activation but it's not clicking for me. i'm going to assume because in standby you can't play cards from your hand? thing is givin me a fuckin headache.
Well, adding that to my list of "Why?" to ask to Konami staff if I ever get the chance
There's going to be a lot of confusion when people find a bug with any popular cards.
Note that the YGOPro goes higher than that forum. That forum is made by another fork of the ygopro community - Percy (predecessor of Ignis). The posts are not by ygopro admins or developers. They can be by anyone. It's like any forum - pojo or otherwise. The ygopro team itself doesn't have to call a random person to get the ruling. They can email KDE-J directly in Japanese to get the OCG ruling. There's an entire team from China and Japan that coordinate this. Sometimes these rulings are given even before the db.yugioh database updates. The ygopro scripts upstream have been maintained for last 10 years. They aren't infallible but people are using precedents and not just making up rulings. There's also tons of mistranslations in the TCG which is why the OCG ruling is used to avoid any chances of that and why in the TCG, the answer is "ask your head judge". In an auto sim, there can only be one answer. This card in particular, Curse of Fiend, should have a reprint. Same reason also why Spiritualism in the TCG does not say Target even though the database says it does.
I love Coder and all, but the fact that he constantly trashes auto-sim ruling is infuriating.
Although in his defense, most of his viewerbase are TCG players, so
Remember when MBT's perspective of this was on Stevie's channel? Bad times.
It’s called “*Curse* of Fiend” for a reason XD
This was funny as fuck to watch live lol. Love these testing videos
I'm pretty sure the reason you cannot activate from the hand is because it is a normal spell. Normal Spells can only be played from the hand during a main phase. So you have to set the card first so that it's activating condition can be met, which is also illegal, because normal spells cannot be activated during the standby phase, as they are spell speed 1. Except that this card specifically says that is only time you can activate it.
So basically this boils down to the same thing that was wrong with "counter-counter". Counter Counter was originally a normal trap, that could only be activated in response to a counter trap, which is obviously illegal, except the card literally says that's how it works. So eventually years later they gave it an errata and made it a Counter Trap so that no one would ever be confused with a card they were never going to use anyway.
It seems with "Curse of Fiend" they went halfway on the error. It should be a quick play spell, but can only be activated during "your" standby phase. That would fix all issues with the card. I don't know the specific reason for why it has to be set first, since the game knows what the card is, and knows that it can be activated. But even if we use the Spell Speed 1 argument, it should not be able to activate during the standby phase, whether from hand or field. So why it has to be set first makes no sense. The only thing I can think of, is because while in the hand, the game does recognizes that it is a spell speed 1 card, but not necessarily it's specific effect or activation timing. And when set the game recognizes it's activation window. It's probably some deep deep ruling that for literally anyother card is irrelevant. The only similar argument i can think of is something like cyber dragon. Which says blah blah"you can summon this card" but only on your turn during your main phase, which is not stated on the card. So it's most likely some sort of gamestate ruling.
This is the thing I came to see for master duel. Certain ruling interaction or behaviour clarified
This is interesting. They didn't even update the card text for digital adding a clause that it must be set. Also it was funny to see the reaction but yeah I think the season 2 of Progression Series should have Coder around for rulling stuff. It would be nice to see other obscure rules being tested in Master Duel as it is how Konami wants the cards to be played.
Cimo was right
But he's 0-3-0 now
Coder you gave me a DB ruling on stream regarding magicians right hand, negating vision hero increase in the spell trap zone thinking he was considered a spell effect. However Masterduel says otherwise magicians right hand doesnt trigger on the effect of monsters in the spell trap zone that arent pendulums in the pendulum zone. This directely conflicts a ruling you gave me on stream. Can you investigate?
Wait, aren't the Vision Hero cards treated as continuous trap cards?
Cuz then you'd be using the wrong card in testing this.
Yu-Gi-Oh.
Imagine a card that says "You can activate this card during your Standby Phase," but you can't activate it during your Standby Phase
But you can, in fact that's the only time you can. Since it doesn't say "from your hand", it must obey normal spell card activation rules. It must therefore be in a position where you can activate it during standby, therfor, it must be set. Yes it's stupid, but it's totally understandable, if idiotic
It's a normal spell, in the game state you can't activate a spell during the standby phase from your hand, thus it would have to be on the field to activate. 🤷♂️
By that logic it’s a normal spell you cannot Play normal spells that are set during any phase outside of your main phase
It makes perfect sense, Curse of Fiend is not a quick-play.
This should have been on the ruling quiz instead of all the unchained stuff.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL welp kevin, you're fired from judging
At first, I thought that "Cimo was right" was from Power Rangers OST cuz it's hella energic.
It makes sense though, normal spells are only able to be played during your main phases, but this one can only activate during a phase outside of the main phases. I've always seen curse of fiend to be a trap in spell's clothing
Curse of fiend was a misprint like counter counter it could only be activated when a counter trap but it’s original was not a counter curse of fiend is amazing being a regular spell with the text during stand by phase amazing og yugioh for the win
this is a normal spell with "you can only activate this in standby phase" what were they expecting?
It makes sense for the card to only work with it already on the field.
It specifically says "Activate" not "play." Playing a card, may result in the activation of a card (if you play the card face-up), but the activation of a card is not the same as playing a card. You play a card from your hand, be it playing face-down (setting), or face-up (activating). You are only allowed to ACTIVATE cards that are on the field, be it flipping the card over, or activating immediately after playing.
As a result: in order to activate a card from you hand, you must first PLAY the card from your hand... Something that is not allowed during standby phase, unless a card effect gives you permission.
As such, by wording: You cannot activate Curse of Feind from your hand, during standby phase, because you are not allowed to play cards from your hand during standby phase.
Every spell in the game says activate instead of play,
This card should be errata'ed, but the last time this card got an errata was 2004,
They obviously didn't bother updating it to PSCT for Master Duel,
Instead the programmers just looked it up on an old forum, 'cuz nobody cares.
wait until coder realises YGOPro and master duel use OCG rulings
And here I thought Spear Cretin was misleading..
Not gonna lie, this is the way it works in the WC 2008 game as well. :P
I guess the simple answer ends up being it follows game mechanics for normal spells because it dosnt have activate in hand as part of its text. Tldr
The long answer
You can only activate a card In hand if it said you can "activate this card in hand" for example.But if that text is missing and the card just wanted to activate then you would have to legally be able to play the card to activate it. Since you cant play/set a normal spell in standby.
with out specific text to tell you it's activating in hand and not field it has to follow the game mechanism of normal spells can't be played In standby.
Then when set/played in main phase you have met the game mechanism for normal spells so the card can now activate in standby.
I would also love to see how it interacts with a chain link, logic would dictate that you can't chain it to spell speed 2, with it being spell speed 1 so I'd assume that's the case. And could only activate as the start of its own chain
I have to assume that this works the way it does due to literal ancient rules. So ancient it pre-dates the TCG. I immediately think of "Junior Rules". One of the rules was that you must set a spell one turn before you can activate it. If this card were printed today it would be made a quick play explicitly stating you must set it first (or just a trap), then again they would never print this card in modern yugioh.
The worst thing is they have actually printed a trap card that can only activate during your standby phase,
Which means that there is supposed to be a difference, but nobody know how or why they're different.
(Non Aggression Area, released in between Curse of Fiend's last two errata's, in case you were wondering)
This was really great! :D
It's probably just because it can only activate in the Standby Phase. Lacking any precedent for how that works with Normal Spells, they just made it follow Trap rules.
Watched this a second time. Still just as funny and entertaining.
So it's a spell card that's a trap? What in the world.
A card does what the card says it does, dam bro.
who would win, 10+ year old random YGO forum post VS Officially licensed Konami Yugioh Judge
Different Konami, I guess? Coder is (was?) licensed by the Konami that matters less.
5:29 Welcome to yugioh.
Imagine, if Cimoo / Gage did call Distant for this ruling, it would have changed the result by a loong shot! He would've guided them to an even worse misplay cause Distant would be in the wrong xD
actually malding over it being "a UDE" ruling when konami themselves made the game
When is the first time this card appeared in a game? I guess that is when the ruling was created, and programers since then just look at what that guy did. Did that guy just go fuck it not going to think about it, now you can't activate it from hand or had like 10 meetings trying to decipher this thing
It makes sense though, quickplay spells are the only ones allowed to be played outside of the main phases and this is a normal spell that stipulates it's activation in a phase outside when it can be played, so the only legal way to play it is like a trap, you set it the turn before you want to use it
Okay, I see it now. It's literally because the last line in the card says "You can only activate this card during your Standby Phase", but this card isn't a quickplay spell, so the only way you are able to play the card is by first setting it down on the field and then activating it on Standby."
What a card.
Wdym? Why would setting it change anything? Normal spells can't be activated during the standby regardless of if they are set or in the hand. Thus, the card text "you can only activate this card in the standby phase" should completely override and allow the card to be activated from hand.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 I'm almost certain that according to the actual rulebook for the the YGO card game itself that the only Spells that can be activated during any phase on your turn are Quick play spells, such as cards like MST and Called By the Grave. You can very much correct me if I'm wrong, I might have read something wrong, however I believe that is the case. I don't think all spells act like quick play spells.
@@5uberpwn2 yes, the only spells that can be activated during any phase are quick play spells. Normal spells can only be activated during the main phase. However, the normal spell being set or in the hand does not change this. "You can only activate this card in the standby phase" is a line that bypasses ordinary game rules and should (keyword should) allow the card to be activated from either hand OR set during your standby phase. The only reason it can only be activated after being set is because of a "konami said so" ruling that has nothing to do with what the card actually says.
@@johnnickfanaccount3492 Not 100% true. The reason that it has to be set before being activated is because there is no situation where the card can be on the field and the effect can legally be activated. The last line "this card can only be activated on the standby phase" and it being *specifically* a normal spell is why this is the case.
When any spell card that's not a continuous spell card is activated, it is removed from the field afterwards. Therefore, the only way that this card could LEGALLY be activated and stay on the field, face up, while allowing the card to remain active until the standby phase is if, and only if the card was a continuous spell card. As much as I would like to agree with the whole "konami said so", this is more of a whole "konami kind of just made a poor normal spell card" type of scenario. Because of how normal spells work per the game, that's why it has to be set before being activated. At least to my understanding.
@@5uberpwn2 that is not how normal spells work. It doesn't have to stay on the field. Curse of fiend is still activated and sent to the gy on resolution. It being a normal spell is why it can't be activated during the standby phase regardless of if it was set or not. Setting it changes nothing. The line "this card can only be activated in the standby phase" allows the card to bypass the traditional rule of not being allowed to activate normal spells in the standby phase, since card effects override game rules. The only reason it works this way is specifically because konami of China (I think it was koc, not completely sure) was asked about this and responded this way. It's not because the card text makes sense, it's because konami said so.
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You're welcome smile :)
Coder Why be a judge when you have YGOpro forums
The tgo forum incident lol
Aren't spells unable to be activated from hand in the standby phase, quickplay or not?
Edit: Yeah pretty sure Quickplay spells have to be set in order to activate them during standby phases. Official rulebooks that I can find say you can activate traps and quickplay spell effects but doesn't specify "from the hand" at all.
YGOPRO forums better than RC-0 judge LOL
This could've been avoided if it were just a quick play
It says it can be activated only during the stand-by phase so it makes sense since it's not quick the only way to use it in the stand-by is to set it before
What doesn’t make sense is that a spell card that isn’t a quick play needs to be used during stand by phase when u can’t use spells during stand by phase. So to be fair regular yugioh ruling completely fucks that card that’s why
It doesn't activate from hand on your standby phase, because it's not a quick play spell. That's why it always misses timing when you draw it. It's a card that would need an errata for it to make sense because you'd have to activate it like a trap card but only activate it on your next turn.
I'm not sure if you could even salvage it with a previously set Dust Tornado on your standby phase after your draw the card because I'm under the assumption you could activate only one chain of events in a standby phase before it automatically moves to Main Phase 1 (I could be wrong). I would like to see that tested though.
When the Of Fiend and Cursed.
Actually in shambles
Curse of fiends, a never used old card which makes me wonder what other old use cards are also in this area that were never used and have no database.
I mean, thirds l this seems like an obvious ruling. It's a normal spell, not a quick play, so you can't activate it outside your Main Phase per the game mechanics.
There are Spell cards that activate effects, outside of MP, like Swords of Revealing Light, which activates during the end phase, once a condition has been met. This seems exactly the same
But Swords of Revealing Light must be activated during your main phase,
Just because continuous spells stick around, doesn't mean you don't have to activate them in the main phase.
Nooo the forum painted a tunnel on the wall
@DistantCoder: and @other: Curse of fiend is a normal spell card with a condition that allows it to break the rules, and only break that rules, it is not allowed to followed the normal rules, of activating a normal spell card, and because it does not specified from where it can break the rules, it is all ways field only. I remember playing yugioh champion ship 2006, and 2007 video game and in both case even with does game curse of fiend would not allowed me to activated it from the hand during my stanbyphase.
Who you gonna call?
Ghost Coder!