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How far would Ichigo get in Dragon Ball? (BLEACH)
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Who is stronger between Ichigo from Bleach and Goku from Dragon Ball? This is a question that has been asked copious amounts of times. But what if we change the question. What is we asked how far Ichigo would get in the Dragon Ball universe period. Would he even reach Goku? Find out in todays video!
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00:00 - "Intro"
00:15 - Skit
00:46 - The actual Intro
01:28 - Ichigo's abilities
05:21 - How far would Ichigo get
08:12 - Tierlist
08:59 - Outro
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Sailor Moon would be an interesting choice for the next one. I've heard that her scaling goes CRAZY.
Idk where but i remember some things about sailor moon is x2 time the power of goku
@@camaprob I’ve never read it, but remembering Death Battle’s scaling with the Beerus vs Sailor Galaxia fight, SM took out a mirror universe of our own as well as 8 clone Sailor Scouts who were capable of doing the same thing. With that scaling, she makes it to Buu fairly easily and likely into Super.
Dragonball already has a sailor moon but her name is ribrianne
@@camaprob gokus gotten 2x stronger since you heard that 💀
@@zayy4440I think she has some crazy haxes and scales to multiversal to outer with some wanking last I heard
Some things I would like to correct, while watching it. Ichigo wasn't mainly trained by his father, he attended a dojo with his friend Tatsuki, so that he could protect his twin little sisters, although, Isshin, his dad would make surprise attack to hone Ichigos skills.
When talking about his hollow spirit, you are missing half of the truth, the hollow spirit does indeed reside within him, but it is also his Zanpakuto spirit, and therefore is just him in his most animalistic form.
His new bankai isn't the two swords, that's his REAL Shikai, after accepting his Asauchi and getting his real Zanpakuto.
It should be noted, that since his Spiritual Power is so high, and his ability to control it, is so poor, he is unable to seal his Zanpakuto to his base form, and therefore, causing it to ALWAYS, to be in Shikai.
Ichigo didn't optain his Shinigami powers because he is a Quincy, they were always within, through the lineage of his dad, Isshin Shiba, who was a head of a branch of the Shiba clan, which is a former noble family in the Soul Society, and the noble families are known for having higher than average Spiritual Pressure and producing on average more Captain level Shinigami than normal families, so when Rukia transfers, (what she wanted to be only a bit) of her powers, it basically sucked all her powers.
The mixing of Shinigami blood and Quincy blood is what causes the hollowfication, which he learned to control, with the help of the group called Vizards.
I wrote this as you were explaining his powers, so some might have been repeated, or has been explained. I might have gotten some things wrong, I am a big Bleach fan, and I love the series, but I can still get some things wrong.
I think people are correct up until the Fullbring Arc, however one thing I noticed during TYBW I think changes this. Ichigo was hardcore nerfed the entire time during the original anime. Old Man Zangetzu was capping Ichigos power to basically nothing all the way until the anime is up to at this point. Also considering the true nature of Yawach I think you have massively underestimated Ichigo at the end of the series
how fast is he? i ask because it seems like we're dealing with flash levels of speed, "where everyone and their mother gets the speed boost."
@@Ed_man_talking9 i did a speed scaling, and bankai ichigo in HM is 250x - 2000x FTL
(Crazy difference, but its because bankai is a 5-10 boost)
@Yuri that's relatively slow for alot of DBZ characters, theyve been easily FTL+ ever since Goku vs Tien in the tournament, and their powers havw been evolving exponentially
Also Consider that Ichigo has Multi-versal damage output. Considering he 1 shot Yawatch who had absorbed 3 dimensions. TBH he may lose in speed, but power alone puts him in the Buu Saga I'd say
@@Ed_man_talking9 it can go from billions of times to irrelevant speed
You're doing great! This one surprised my Anime DnD group and I the most out of the ones covered so far. I agree with a lot of others saying that there should be a separation between the Namek Sage and Frieza Saga by itself, as well as separating the Android and Cell saga for when we get that far down the road with a different anime character eventually. We support any character you would like to do next as we enjoy these videos thoroughly no matter who the character is.
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Hey my DnD group been talking about this as well. Pretty nice
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Did not expect him to make it that far, I would've thought Naruto was stronger than him, but we've finally got a namek level fighter here.
Ichigo solos most of Naruto bro.
@@E................. most? all tbh
Personally I think Ichigo could get toward the ending of the Android saga
This video not accurate ichigo makes it to the cell saga Wtf. Ichigo easily beats frieza he literally survived hell lol. Aizen and Yamato would toy with Frieza come on now
@@Stunt877 atleast I wasn't the one thinking He'd peak at Super perfect Cell
How far would Korosensei from Assassination Classroom get in DragonBall?
Oh my gosh I need to see that! Lol 😂
This lol
You massively lowball how much stronger ichigo gets here with each transformation. What you need to understand is that Ichigo is essentially and artificial recreation of the Soul King, the closest thing to God in the bleach universe, a being so powerful that the pressure it exudes is what holds the universe together. This involves combining a number of contridictory powers that interphere with an surpressing each other. Most of his transformations are essentially him growing in some way as to unlock and understand some portion of what he should be and these powers coming to support and boost each other up instead of holding each other back. The jumps in power as a result aren't just a multiplier like super saiyan is but basically becoming a whole new being that is not really at all comparable to before.
Vastolorde, Dangai, and True Bankai Ichigo are'nt "Ichigo is x times stronger", it is more "Ichigo all this time was an anemic child with no arms or legs, now he is superman"
I hate how much BLEACH characters get downplayed in power scaling.
I find it wild he made this video saying he hasn't watched or read anything Bleach in years and were about to get Season 2 of Thousand Year Blood War Arc anime
A bit of a correction: The Dual-Wield is Ichigo's True Shikai and his True Bankai is when he combines the blades together. Other than that, I can't think of any inaccuracies in the video.
As for my thoughts, I'm pretty much on page with you. I do think that Ichigo would fight relatively evenly with 1st Form Frieza, but he's not getting past 2nd Form. The biggest thing that Ichigo has going for him is that, unlike Goku, Ichigo is more than willing to dodge the big Ki Blasts coming at him. He'll just flash-step out of the way and his speed is more than enough to keep up with Frieza. The fact that his Zanpakuto cuts the soul instead of the physical allows him to bypass most defenses and even Trunks was shown that a sword can cut through characters that scale above Frieza. Frieza is also cocky and wouldn't likely dodge Ichigo's first attack that reliably, giving Ichigo a very good chance of dealing near-fatal damage early on. Frieza would only stand a chance when transforming due to his recovery... but would Ichigo even allow him to transform? The Saiyans do so only because they want a better fight, but Ichigo isn't like that.
Thinking about it now... Yamamoto, Shunsui, Yhwach, Aizen, Hashwalth, Gerard, and a few others would make it farther than Ichigo. In fact, with Full-Powered Yhwach, specifically, I don't know if there is anything in DBZ that could deal with his hax.
A choice many people might not know about is Seiya from Saint Seiya. The scaling on the original series goes up to crazy levels and some of the spin-off's just become a powerscalers either wet dream or worse nightmare.
"Ichigo has more than 3 brain cells and has expirience fighting giant enemies"
I feel like that was an attack towards Goku. But Goku fought giant robots and giant piccolo and more giant enemies. And Z Goku was SMART! I hate it when people say Goku is dumb bc he isn't in og DB he was a kid so ofc he is a little dumb. But in DBZ he was smart and one of the greatest minds in battle. In GT he was the same as in Z. They just made him ultra dumb in super bc they tought "hey let's reset Goku."
To many people slept on Ichigo, thanks for respecting the guy
It's difficult to say how far Ichigo would go in Dragonball for two reasons. A) It's shounen; stronger enemies = stronger protagonist, and B) We don't know if Ichigo is potential capped, or even the results of his last power up. Y'know, because Yhwach kept warping reality to break Ichigo's Bankai.
Yea but at the same time though Yhwach feared Ichigo's True Bankai... so his TB is a pretty big deal.
The Cleaner was literally 4D and Aizen one shot it
this sounds mostly accurate for a pre-mugetsuga Dangai Ichigo. But every new form Ichigo had past base Dangai was above planetary while true Shikai was somewhere between Galactic and multi-universal (depending on how one interprets the claims of infinity and/or transcendence)
yeah i am always pretty withholding on the stuff that is "limitless" but everyone is free to interpret it in their own way ofcourse!
true shikai to hos was multi galaxy to universal
@@archflamingo9156 yup, true shikai is somewhere between multi-galactic to multi-universal. Though I doubt the true bankai would reach anywhere higher than multi-universal (no full multiversal Ichigo here), I suspect "transcendent reitsu" was as Aizen said, reaching into a higher dimension or rather at universal+. When Kenpachi fought Unahana, their reitsu filled and leaked out of the infinite space of Mugen... which should be a universal domain size for the combination of the two fighting (or perhaps both of them individually)
Ichigo made ywach of all people scared enough to warp reality and not let him use his bankai by instantly breaking it
The same ywach who just absorbed the soul king which was the only thing keeping the bleach multiverse together by having his mutilated corpse just existing
I'd say Ichigo would easy clear all the way to the start of super at the very least
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lol stawp you telling me yhwach ain't getting scared of a angry full power super saiyan vegito?
additionally, it doesn't matter how much damage he deals he isn't getting pasted buu just because of buu's regenerative abilities. plus he can absorb him. ichigo doesn't have much hax, he just has very few op hax.
You can argue MUCH higher than Freeza with the latest material and LNs. If you scale him off that you can get him at bare minimum Cell's level to max Buu Saga tier. But not everyone scales and just go by what is shown so it is what it is.
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Ichigo dies in the Saiyan Saga
@@jirenthegray5776 Dangai Ichigo solos the Saiyan saga
In my headcannon ichigo is in buu saga level
I highly doubt he will be able to handle Perfect Cell lmao
@@ishimurafgc9634 maybe...youre right :/
I agree with your logic completely as a safe low-ball, but I can see the arguments for god ki being higher dimensional (akin to the dangai state) which itself was relatively weaker than post royal palace training ichigo. The scaling can vary wildly but it's fascinating to see other people reason it out. Nice job!
Top tier idea for a top tier video, subscribed. Hope to see more like this as the channel grows. 👍
Love this series, please do more.
Please do Kenshiro from Fist of the North Star (Hokuto No Ken). 🙏
Or Akuma from Street Fighter, but I don't know if you're asking specifically for an anime char.
Nah, HOS Ichigo is insanely fast, but this is not a bad vid, good job.
I still don’t see how ichigo doesn’t just clear all of dbz. Did he not have an attack that was felt in the endless dimension of hell? I think that scales higher than everything possible in Z
Fr, Ichigo is Op as f
No not really. If we count in the Z movies specifically the fusion reborn goku it’s a maybe? Goku did power up so much the whole place shook
@@azurotheazurerider8637 But it wasn’t felt in another dimension y’all need to stop overwanking dbz and lowballing other verses
@@Stunt877 Look, I'm not on the side that thinks DBZ outranks everything else, but it's uninformed to say that DBZ didn't accomplish things like this. Literally powering to Super Saiyan 3 could be felt in the heavens, which count as a separate dimension in the DB world. Super Buu literally split open a hole OUT OF A POCKET DIMENSION THAT OBEYS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT RULES OF TIME just by screaming in rage. SS3 Gotenks went and copied him to do the same.
If you think that sort of scaling is stupid: Yeah. Because Akira Toriyama is a gag comic writer first and foremost, and a shounen writer second. DB universe has silly scalings, which most shounens can't match up to because they're not part-gag like the DB universe is.
@@Stunt877wtf gogetas power was sensed and shook throughout heaven hell and the world if the living go rematch the movie
I liked bleachs idea for Ichigos energy being like fauset that never turns off so he's always going at full weather he knows it or not
Seeing you rank him over Naruto is gonna bring so much salt but another thing I think would help is if you rank Frieza saga and Namek saga seperately because I think the GInyu force alone will be enough to take out a ton of characters in different verses so it wouldn't be fair to put them on the same level as Ichigo who can go toe to toe with Friezas most basic form
Its not even a "controversial" thing at all. Out of the big 3, Ichigo scales *way* over Naruto and Luffy.
@@kamixakadio2441True. It's pretty common knowledge now that Ichigo solos Naruto's entire verse. I think we can thank death battle and their trash scaling for people still thinking Bleach is weaker than Naruto.
Yeah Bleach used to get downplayed a lot but I understand why. But that Ichigo vs Ulquiorra fight should’ve let folks know that Naruto & Bleach were kinda relative in power at one point lol. That was some tailed beast bomb shit they were doing
@@lijahmoody yeah pretty much and ichigo caught that with his hand and that was 95% suppressed ichigo
@@16krez1The bleach verse is way weaker than the naruto verse
This feels absolutely right to me. I don't expect him to take on Frieza but he very much matches the level of his forces.
Ichigo is 6D he could probably beat SS3 Goku. Aizen destroyed the Cleaner which was confirmed to be a being of Reason.
Reason is the Underlying Principles of the Cosmos and it’s the core to Metaphysics which is beyond Space and Time concepts meaning that the Cleaner is a Universal+ level being,
Aizen Transcended Reason making him 5D if not stronger and he was clapped by Dangai Ichigo
Not even close lol namek saga stomps lol
@@shido_rimru_ bro gave feats and an explanation and you goku fanboys still denying it lmao
@@shido_rimru_ Man After doing a little bit of research Ichigo easily solos the Namek arc. Ichigo was literally able to destroy Hado 90 with one hand, Aizen used it against the Tolerant of the Soul king and erased them from existence that’s a feat of 200billionG remember 100G was a huge deal in the Namek arc, Goku and Vegeta had a hard time Traning over 150G. The Gravity of Hado 90 is like a Neturon Stars if not far greater since it’s from Aizen,
This is proof that Ichigo’s stronger than Super Saiyan
@@alevhendy7761kinda ironic how you're calling people "goku fanboys" on a video that's pretty much completely directed towards the series. also don't forget without Goku there's most likely no Ichigo existing lol. also stop calling people fanboys when you have a bleach pfp
im pretty sure ichigo would scale to ssj3 goku or ssjg like litterally tanking universal attacks and many more universal feats
not even close
@@candytime-_- where do you scale ichigo?
@@youssefibrahim5496 Show universal feats
@@jirenthegray5776 ruclips.net/video/OrUnCGTBx-U/видео.html&ab_channel=MrCraftyScales
@@youssefibrahim5496 planet level at max sayin saga level lol him being buu sags or battle of gods level is crazy I'm being generous saying planetary cause we have no feats of them detroying anything
Ichigos true bankai makes him scale pretty far into Z
The mfs prolly making it to super
@@divinesusterhe does
And with this we finally got all members of the big 3 together fighting against Padre Ball
Ok, time for the Caped Baldy to get a shot at this.
Yes please
Is that a can of worms that he really wants to open? I mean, it would be a good way of getting OPM fans pretty pissed, when Saitama goes down in the Buu saga (and I only say Buu saga, because I don't think he is going to go into the Diazenshuu material that shows that Saitama is getting bodied by the android saga.).
@@ikeillue8385 It would be interesting to say the least. I would say he would be the high bar for most anime. The only other anime I can think of that might top dragon ball is maybe Gurren Lagann due to the insane things they do near the end of the series.
@@nicholasgraham8703 For most anime, yes. But Dragon Ball isn't most anime, as it is notorious for its completely ridiculous power scaling.
Depends on what you mean by "top Dragon Ball." If you mean original Dragon Ball, then sure. The only argument I would have against it, is the shear size of the mechs that they would need to use, are so absolutely massive, that the wouldn't actually be able to do anything precise enough to actually do anything to the human sized characters (a thing that a lot of people don't take into consideration when power scaling things like Gurren Lagann. I mean, it would be like you having a fight with a single bacteria. You are obviously way stronger, but you can't really do anything to it, because its too small for you to actually attack.).
If you mean the entire Dragon Ball series as a whole though, not even close. Don't get me wrong, putting the Gurren Lagann characters into the end of series mech that they use, would get them significantly further than any character brought up yet. However, they are only getting to Buu, at the latest, with a potential loss against Cell. At least thats the case when it comes to shear power. The moment you include a character with instant transmission into the equation, the fight ends there, as they can literally just teleport into the cockpit of the mech, with the squishy human, and I don't think there is a question of how that would go.
@@ikeillue8385 In Gurren Lagann by the end they are literally blowing up whole galaxies as they fight if I'm remembering correctly. And in dragon ball there are not many galaxies, there are like 4 at most, North, South, East and West galaxies. Thats a couple of attacks from a Gurren Lagann bot and the whole DBZ universe is wiped out.
Its fun watching people argue over shonen characters I dont really care about. It's like a boxing match with no stakes for me because I just want to see people argue over shit viscously.
real talk tho if you can do the same series twice can you do ultimate kars vs dragon ball? (jojo character from part 2)
Uk gets slammed early ngl
@@carkiiajahe probably gets as far as dio if not a little farther
@@girly_trickster tuff cause i love ultimate kars 😭
@@girly_trickster i think he would get farther than dio due to his abilities
Fun fact: he solos all the verse because he's a soul reaper, a spirit. They cant even see him.
Goku: n o.
He can't do damage to them and when dbz characters realized they being attacked and they can't sense from where they just shot death ki blast or ki explosion everywhere and ichigo is cooked or just first form frieza destroying the planet with one finger killing ichigo with it. So ichigo with a highball scale to frieza saga
Pegasus Seiya from Saint seiya. You won't be disappointed 🙏🏾
Piccolo Diamao can at least destroy the moon. Roshi destroyed the moon and he couldn't beat Piccolo Diamao. So calling Piccolo Diamao city level is way off. This is not the first time the same mistake has been made in one of these videos.
True , I did think it kinda wrong cuz Goku had truly surpassed Master Roshi after he defeated King Piccolo therefore he should've been moon Level to even small planet level
Every damn video
Can Frieza even sense Ki without his Scouter? You'd think you would need at least basic Ki Detection to even notice that there is a Spiritual Entity like Ichigo facing the Galactic Tyrant Frieza.
By namek, no Frieza can’t sense ki at all, that’s how Goku was able to get some attacks on him
@@theamazingmaymay123 Thought that'd be the case. Then Ichigo shouldn't necessarily have any trouble getting in some sneak attacks before Frieza gets the idea to check or transform.
@@PurpleHeartE54 If you’re applying the trash argument of “Bleach characters can’t be seen” then you need to think again
@@jirenthegray5776 I haven't gotten that far into Bleach, kinda skipped to the Blood War arc.
@@jirenthegray5776 Goku and the z fighters probably can see Ichigo but namek saga freeza probably can't, basic ki sensing is like a prerequisite to sense a shinigami.
I would argue that he would get to Android saga, but not be able to take it any further than that. The main big bad Ichigo fights in TYBW would be, on the low end, Planetary if not, high ball, Multiversal. And he does beat him. So on the low ball, i would say that Ichigo is getting past Namek Saga. If we going absolute high ball, He is likely getting to Buu saga and getting ran through by Kid Buu. But that is very heavy speculation
I love how frieza is just this wall most anime protagonists can't overcome
frieza is just an absolute nightmare
Ichigo 100% beats that Namek saga Frieza he would do him just like trunks did him lol
@@Stunt877 just remember: raw feats alone. Zero statements are being used in these.
@@Stunt877 your talking about the same frieza that was able to tank a spirit bomb to the face?
sorry ichigo is getting bodied no diff
@@yurieshicatay6309It depends on the ichigo scaling but the middle ground scaling puts ichigo at solar system or above and cells best attack was only solar system it's pretty obvious who wins.
@@theflamingeagle572 you know the whole point of power levels in Dragon Ball was to show how useless they are, so how tf did u get cell to galaxy and frieza to multi solar system. Cells best attack was only going to destroy the solar system, he says it himself. And yet you here scaling a character above his best attack, instead of me learning basic scaling, you need to actually look at statements instead of making random deductions that get disproven by the characters themselves.
ichigo can be scaled a number of ways, however many ways of doing it for him (especially from tybw or even hell arch thats not finished yet) he is a universal character easy which would put him at top level+ sadly a lot of stuff in bleach is down played a lot, so much so that people put him against naruto, but if you read the manga close, pay attention to the hax of what ichigo and others must face, ridiculous power jumps, and more, and stick around the community long enough, you will find that without a doubt ichigo would be about as strong, if not stronger than top ui goku, tho he is no where near current goku
He literally killed the Soul king in one strike. A being who's power is so great that the pressure it exudes is what holds the universe together. Even if he isn't just straight up destroying a universe it establishes that he can take out beings that could. Low universal is an accurate power level here so he really makes it to the begining of super.
@@joelsasmad the scale of tybw shows as well just how far this goes. ether you think the cast is super week, and each of the 4 realms are planet sized at which point ichigo is solar system strong (so still stronger than cell) or you think whats far more likely considering statements and each realm is a universe (at least) which would put ichigo to universal or even multiversal, which is mid to late super
@@rpzamer1218 I'm willing to lower it to low universal becuase the Soul king wasn't really actively defending himself. Scaling off of Ywawch is near impossible due to The Almighty hacks and them beating him with the stillsilver arrow. I really wish we got more time with Ichigo after getting his true bankai to get a better handle on it.
@@joelsasmad while true, it also is possible to use ywawch as a measuring stick, as he did gain all of the soulking's power (least to some extent) and then had the ability to (in his words) erase all souls from their current standing and bring the the realms back to one as they were (excuse the paraphrasing) also while we may not know what ichigo's bankai can do, it has been implied what it is. it cant be used for scaling since its not fact, but if the theories are true than nothing can stop him as the theory is that ichigo's true bankai's power is to go against fate itself
I think the big problem with bleach scaling is that it's vague. One source says something is endless another says near endless etc.
I personally think that he is at least Imperfect to semi-perfect cell level (AT LEAST) but this was still a good video.
He could be cell level.I have seen people saying ichigo can beat saitama.But i think its only possible in martial arts rather tha raw power.Saitama has showed way superior feats than ichigo and i don't think he can ever beat saitama since he can't even get passed DBZ cell games and saitama could just obliterate cell in atomic level
@@Blackpill149 I give Ichigo speed, hax, and IQ over Saitama and their physical power is similar, though Saitama does edge him out in sheer raw power, so I can see it going either way depending on who fucks around the least if they were to fight, Zanpakutos are fucking wild! Especially if you believe the theory that True Tensa Zangetsu controls fate.
Nice video! Also, what's the song you use for your outro? Sounds epic :D
Yo, do you know if your spiritual pressure is too high in bleach that it just kills regular human. That’s why they had to fight in the fake town. He’s solos Dragon Ball Z.
Keep up the good work! 🤗
Ichigo let loose a blast that broke through the dimensional barrier between Earth and Hell. That puts him on par with nearly any top tier character.
Next video should be how far Arale from Dr.Slump would get in Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece?
Another amazing one! Could you do Issei from High School DxD, Might be rly funny
As much as i agree with this list, i cant help but think about how you said "tien was able to punch a mountain in two! But i dont think that's enough to beat ichigo" even tho at that point, i believe most of the Z fighters were said to be stronger than raditz thanks to kami's training, but then again, goku wasnt after his training with kami so idk-
You know master roshi who was very weaker than this Tien destroyed the moon with one blast in dragon ball , Tien is very very strong, punching a mountain is a kid feat to DBZ Tien but I still think Tien would get bodied by ichigo and ichigo would smoke everyone in saiyan saga but will definitely loose to first form of frieza
do meruem or netero please
I want to see how Meruem would do vs the Naruto verse
@@nicholasaugello2534 he clears part one maybe due to characters like itachi and the jiraya existing but he does definitely lose early part two
@@FlawlessWallace3350 I think Meruem Dies at the Jiriah the Gallant section or fated battle between brothers , I think he could beat Dedara extreme Diff and Sasori's weapons wouldn't be enough to pierce his skin and Kakuzu and Hidan get cooked and he'd probably be at Sick Orichimaru, I think it's a potential loss but Meruem can read minds but I think Sick Orichimaru might be too fast but Meruem's Regen could help overcome the difference adless Orichimaru decides to take Meruem's Body (Meruem has no counter to getting hit by that) I think he gets to mid Part 2 and would probably lose to Sick Orichimaru, cuz He's like mad underated I think Dedara is potential loss on second thought, cuz if he lands his cellular bomb attack Meruem's just boned
@@nicholasaugello2534 even kakazu would give Meruem a hard time his durability is far greater than meruem I don’t think meruem is taking an attack from Naruto like that. I would put meruem at like mid joini level
@@FlawlessWallace3350 fair, Kakuzu is actually very formidable too
This is a bit of a werid suggestion but maybe how do the dragon ball GT charactors like baby and super android 18 scale to super. That could be something unique.
Baby and 17 we're both beaten at ssj4 level which we have seen is below God being gokus new base both of them wiped ssj3 so post buu maybe but cell might wipe them too
Love your videos! Can we see Kenshiro please?
Remember a friggin human like master roshi or super friggin weakling s like dragon ball piccolo were able to destroy moon easily …n a mega fodder like king vegeta was able to destroy 4-5 planets instantly , n a weak vegeta n nappa did the same on their way to earth. Also remember android 17 evil version in GT was able to absorb powers and blast from ssj4 vegeta and goku which is way stronger than ssj3 n Goku was able to overload him ..same with cooler
SAITAMA from One Punch Man! I'm sure he will be higher than why previous characters
Tite Kubo and Akira Toriyama are best friends, so it makes sense that their main characters would scale pretty well together.
There not there’s literally no proof of that
they aren't best friends they just know each other. and if you can prove me wrong and show me an interview or something where Akira claimed to be Tite's best friend or if Tite claimed to be Akira's best friend I would be very enlightened.
Why do my comments keep getting wiped out of existence within seconds of writing them?
Not sure? I don't delete comments so I have no idea where it went wrong.
@@ijudgeanime I keep trying to send a comment with information and links to videos of ichigo's power, which you possibly did incorrectly, but I've already tried to send it about 5 times, and in less than 2 minutes From him being posted, it disappears.
@@ijudgeanime Is there any other place I can send the comment information, to correct some points and you can fix some things about ichigo in future videos?
depending on which version of ichigo this is he would get decently far ngl
All versions
Ichigo at his low end should be Large Planetary and FTL+, so he takes out everyone up to Namek Saga Frieza and SSJ Goku stat wise
Ichigo at a mid end scales above Kenpachi who survived a divide bomb attack from 7 Gremmy’s. Gremmy who created a Multi Galaxy Sized Dimension with 7 clones.
Ichigo’s high end is Uni+ for scaling ridiculously above SAFYW Kenny who can destroy the Dangai, which is a hyperspace (at least 4th dimensional space) scaling above FKT Aizen who scales above the cleaner and the Dangai, and scaling above Yhwach who was gonna destroy the SS
Ichigo’s highest end without wank is Low Multi for one shotting Yhwach twice , with Yhwach having the power to destroy the entire bleach cosmos. Several different space time continuums and hyper spaces
Speed gets to MFTL+ from scaling above Mimihagi and Pre Soul King Yhwach traveling from the SS to SK Palace in seconds
Could potentially be infinite or higher from Aizen scaling above the cleaner who governs time and space and being faster than Kyoraku and Lille Barro, who’s attacks ‘ignore the concept of dodging’
Ichigo also has dura neg via soul hax which the DB characters don’t resist
So he can be anywhere from losing to Frieza saga to clearing DBS depending on how you scale him 💀
Ichigo gets up to Cell or Buu but not surprised bro got downplayed. I mean bringing up DB feats by saying "Wow Saiyan Saga Tenshinhan can bust a mountain in 2!" when in that same fight Nappa creates a hole down to the bottom of the earth and in the same arc Piccolo busts the moon is also extreme downplay so ig it's fair.
Ichigo bust mountains just by swinging his sword 🤣🤣
@@jamesdobeli2812 Your point? Roshi destroyed a mountain by accident at the beginning of OG Dragon Ball.
@@jirenthegray5776 if you are referring to the Ox kings castle? Roshie does that with a Kamehameha, that's hardly relative to doing it just by swinging your arm.
@@jamesdobeli2812 Who cares though? It’s Roshi. A literal fodder at his weakest stage. Ichigo destroying a mountain is arguably his best feat to date. And some argue it wasn’t even a mountain because it was so tiny 😂
@@jirenthegray5776Still didn't actually make contact with it , literally just air pressure. People claiming Ichigo to be objectively universal are wanking but he wouldn't hurt Ywach without being multi planet busting level so just sit down.
I think Ichigo makes it to super. Yamamoto was stated to be able to destroy the soul society which is a parellel universe by simply using his bankai for too long. Aizen said he had surpassed all soul reapers, which would put him above Yamamoto. Dangai Ichigo was stronger than Aizen when he made that statement (I know he grew in strength from the Hogyoku). Whether blood war ichigo is stronger than Dangai Ichigo is debatable, but this would still put ichigo at universal unless we assume the soul society, world of the living and wakomundo are not universes. However given they have stars, and even Las Noches had its own sun, which apparently an Espada could destroy, it does seem consistant that ichigo is able to contend with characters that can destroy planets, stars, ect.
He does not make it to super, pretty much all of the dragon ball cast becomes multiversal at the very lowball even in z Raditz arc they literally destroy the moon with ease you are delusional
@@sanskarbhattarai6903 Destroying a moon is not a multiversal feat. Cell said he would destroy the solar system and buu was stated able to destroy galaxies. In bleach the world of the living is our universe. Urahara and Rukia said that the quincy destroying the souls of hollow would cause the collapse of the universe, which suggests these realms are universal. They clearly have stars showing celestial bodies. Yhwuch Bach literally fuses with the god of the multiverse holding all 5 realms of existence together, but Ichigo beat him. I suppose we can speculate on the size of a realm of bleach, but I don't see evidence to say the soul society stops after a galaxy or something.
@@Skelemonyo destroying the moon in sayian saga is just the first feat in z,in super every body even krillen is multiversal and that’s lowballing,goku can quite literally destroy the whole galaxy in a snap of a finger he shakes 5d in a super arc
Why does everyone think cutting off an Ozaru's tail is obvious? It's like, something you basically either need prior experience with the Saiyans or to be a Saiyan yourself in order to even figure it out. Like, there is absolutely 0 hints or tells for it, but everyone just acts like its as obvious as the sun in the sky.
Either way, gotta say, I feel like you've pretty solidly overestimated Ichigo's abilities. I was a bleach fan long before I watched Dragon Ball and I've consumed damn near every bit of media both series have to offer, and even the very strongest characters in Bleach are still only *arguably* hitting planetary levels of power. Saiyan Saga Vegeta on his own is already definitively above that level of scaling.
Hos ichigo would erase anything up to the buu saga by just releasing his power in base
Lowballing. He solos the verse in base
Ichigo is Stronger and More durable than Super Saiyan 1
Do cosmic garou please!
can you make a video called how far would yusuke get in dragon ball
kame senin in db destroyes the moon with the kamehameha wave from the tournament's arena to prevent goku from destroying everything as an Oozaru wich means pretty much a LOT of db characters can do so and let's not talk about the saiyan saga, you also forgot ichigo's quicy and fullbringers powers
Now let's make a video about saitama of 10 second putting him in ToP saga.
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO.
lmao litterally writing a script for a saitama vs db video as i read this 🫡
We have to actually compare the hollow Ichigo that fought Aizen to SSJ 3 Goku.
They both nearly destroyed planet earth by powering up.
Closest assessment we can make possible in terms of power I think.
When your aura is the exact same, they will probably we close in strength.
Ichigo has by definition enough Reiatsu to hold 3 Universes together.
Hard to scale that, since the Dragonball characters only destroy stuff.
Captain ginnyu takes him easy
@@burnman1915 I literally just used logic to count Ichigo up to SSJ3. What the hell is ginyu going to do?
That's a major downplay of Goku. Downplaying him to just "almost destroying the planet by powering up" is an outlier because even early Db charecters like king Vegeta destroys planets with the flick of his hand while Goku Ssj3 is billions of times stronger than him
Ichigo has the power to destroy planets easily aswell by that logic.
That's the Idea behind my argument.
Bleach characters have very very low physical DC cause they do that on purpose cause they focus their abilities to target spiritual defense.
End of series Ichigo (hell arc), scales at the very least to start of super
I think he makes it to Freeza saga. That's about as far as our orange haired substitute Soul Reaper goes.
Bleach still has the best music of it's generation.
Ok I think he should probably scale more of Inchigo power because that’s wrong.
7:53 Sayan Saga Vegeta also destroyed a planet with two fingers. By that logic he wouldnt go further then the sayan invasion
I thought Ichigo would make it towards the Cell saga but oh well. Also can you do Medaka Kurokami from Medaka Box?
He actually does
@@Stunt877 ichigo doesn t get past first form frieza
@@cosminxz1076 Because this guy massively lowballs Ichigo and bleach's setting as a whole.
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Prove by way of feats that Ichigo can exert more force than an exploding planet. Frieza survived the destruction of Namek while literally cut in half and with no reserves
@Alpha_Editz Same exact arguments over and over. For the last time, Yhwach or whoever the soul king is at the time maintains balance by controlling the flow of souls from one realm to another. This is stated multiple times in the series. This does not make him universal in any regard, he can just control which realm has an overabundance of souls, that in itself would be what causes a collapse. None of these characters are even moon level.
Things you didn't think of.
1) Itchigo uses a sword. All bleach characters have the ability to focus energy into a single point on their blades. If Krillin's DISTRUCTO DISC can cut off Freezas tail in his final form, then Itchigos' sword is gonna decapitate Freeza. No contest.
2) Itchigo is invisible in his soul reaper form. It would be impossible for any DBZ character to see Itchigo until way later on when they learn to pinpoint energy VERY efficiently.
3) Itchigo is a spirit, which means even if Freeza blew up the planet, Itchigo can fight in space as he doesn't need to breathe.
Shinigami can’t breathe in space but they can cut it
Ichigo bankai doesn't give him to swords that his is true shikai he gets in thousand years blood war he uses his bankai when he fights yhwhach
I think he can make it to the T.O.P. good vid
roshi moon busting? which king piccolo scales above? I am not surprised tbh 🤦♂.
Clearing up some misconception
1: King piccolo is not only city buster, people generally get this idea due to the fact that he was going to wipe out the entire city when even weaker characters( maxed power roshi obliterated the moon with a singular kamehameha and roshi himself stated that king piccolo far exceeds his own power wouldn't that scale king piccolo too? even in a guide book 23 budokai goku's Kamehameha was stated to be above roshi's own which already put both goku and king piccolo into the moon plus levels of power.
2: Begin of Z raditz Scales way above moon plus, Raditz at the begin of Z was way stronger than noticeable characters that scale to and above roshi who obliterated the moon with a measly power level around 136 ish . This backed up by the fact that he no sold out right tanked a full power kamehameha from goku which I said before should be way powerful that roshi. Not only that he was dog walking goku and piccolo the same piccolo who later on obliterated the moon casually by just by looking at it( ruclips.net/video/9sEINMGorTE/видео.html). It took a special beam cannon concentrated* to finally kill him meaning these guys are casually way above moon level.
3: Vegeta and nappa are way stronger than you think
Nappa is way above the likes of casual moon busters so much in fact that he mocked raditz for losing to such "weaklings" as he claims. We know that nappa is far above this due to the fact that his power level was 5000 while raditz was 1200 equivalent to saibamen( even saibamen are moon busters 😂) he possess small planetary to low planetary AP just by scaling off and above these characters. Vegeta got hella down played to the point I was honestly surprised you didn't say he gets blitz 😂 👀. Vegeta with a power level of 18000 is casually planet plus in AP going off of anime canon due to him casually two fingering a planet on his arrival to earth ( ruclips.net/video/Xnqtg0bte6w/видео.html). I laughed when you said VL ichigo beats vegeta when he only scales above ulquiorra lanza which could be anywhere from Island to country ( far inferior to the likes of BOZ piccolo and goku). Not only that he's casually above planet plus ichigo wouldn't even be a threat to him vegeta can quite literally point at him and oneshot ( ruclips.net/video/z-SLsVC53jc/видео.html). Vegeta after being weakened severely by goku still had enough power to obliterate the earth which solidifies my planet plus scaling for him. This is where ichigo dies
4: Ichigo get absolutely butt f*cked in namek saga
Diddoria and zarbon scale way above sayian saga goku and vegeta due having a higher power level ( Dodoria 22,000 Daizenshuu 7)(Zarbon 23,000 Daizenshuu 7). A power difference of this magnitude is huge in the world of dragon ball because even having a slight power advantage comes in handy, meaning both zarbon and didoria would fodder stomp sayian saga goku and vegeta effortlessly which would intern mean they would booty clap ichigo without breaking a sweat. The ginyu force is obviously way above these jokers by ridiculous margins with each having a respective power level of Recoome -40,000. Jeice- 42,000. Burter. 43,000. Captain Ginyu.120,000. These guys would swat ichigo like a fly 😂 and it's not close. Not even going bring up the fact that base namek saga goku scales above these guys by several magnitudes while suppressed( ruclips.net/video/CfdgqSMF96s/видео.html). Need I bring up frieza or SSJ goku? no I don't think I will.
CONCLUSION:
Ichigo's scales anywhere from multi continental to planetary at best in AP, scaling above weaker characters ( bankai yamamoto, CFYOW kenpachi and hikone) scaling to and below SK yhwach in terms of AP. If I'm being generous he stops at sayian saga where he outright loses to vegeta in every conceivable way. He's out matched in AP and durability and would out right get one shoted the moment he's tagged by either one of them. He get absolutely blinked by android saga characters ( spite)
he would actually make it passed the frieza saga his blade can shatter fate itself I don’t get me wrong he’s not @ gokus current level but he’s up there for sure
Could you do a video for Natsu Dragneel from Fairy Tail?
You are forgetting that dbz characters need only about 10000 power to destroy a planet and IT WAS OVER 9000
Nah, you’re tripping. Ichigo would pretty easily get to Future saga and only get slammed by Black. His True Bankai was dangerous enough to Yhwach for him to break it (so it’s something stronger than The Almighty, meaning it’s a power greater than the power to change fate). Ichigo’s hax are kinda insane. I personally scale him at low universal, but I can scale him to multiversal via novels, but manga Ichigo gets to Future saga, novel Ichigo might just solo everything.
Nice headcanon. Yhwach destroyed all bankais in the future by his own admission. That doesn’t mean they scale higher. Feat wise, Ichigo quite literally loses to Saiyan Saga characters 😂
@@jirenthegray5776 Saiyan Saga Characters nah you are tripping we all know Ichigo is stronger than Naruto so Ichigo is at least going to either Frieza saga or Android saga at least 🤣
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He himself said he was paying respect to ichigo
Because if he didnt break it he would lose
@@wilfridekoue1405 What the hell does Naruto have to do anything? I swear he lives rent free in the minds of you Bleach fanboys. In any case, Ichigo doesn't have a single feat that comes close to Piccolo one shotting the moon.
@@EckserDR I went back and looked just now. You're lying. He paid he paid respect to it but he never said a thing about it being enough to beat him. Why Bleach fans gotta lie ? 😂
No offense but I disagree with how you scaled Ichigo. You see when Aizen in his "post chrysalis form" was passing through the dangai he destroyed the kōtotsu/ the cleaner which is not only a creature that is made of reason but according to the data-book it also governs time and space and Aizen destroyed it with a glance, and tybw Ichigo is way more powerful then that version of Aizen which puts Ichigo at 4th dimensional/universal if not higher, and this means Ichigo would not only be in the Buu saga levels of power but would surpass it as well.
Do Yusuke Urameshi next!
so you state thta ichigo didnt have good control of his spiritual energy while this is true at first he learns to control it really well during the fullbring arc where he also learns to fuse his soulreaper powers and hollow powers into 1 creating his fullbring shikai and fullbring bankai. this is stronger then his normal shikai and bankai but not his true shikai and true bankai also his banki isnt 2 blades thats his true shikai. his true bankai is actually a bit of a mistery as it was shown as a huge blade that hid his original shikai in it.
he has access to blut this as you said improves his defenses but can also be used to increase his attacking power though its unknow if ichigo has actually ever done so he does have the ability to learn to do so.
shunpo isn't a speed increase it is in fact and high speed movement technique which lets him essetially teleport its alot more similar to instant transmission then increasing your own speed.
high amounts of reatsu can cancel hack like abilities like genaral blue's paralasys which you got right. so similar things will accur with things like guldo's telekinesis infact ichigo vs great ape vegeta would be an easy w due to this as all ichigo would have to do is flex his reatsu to remove the fake moon. fullbring ichigo is arguablly on the same level as or stronger then vasto lorde ichigo due to having more control and direct power as he easely smacks ginjo who is captain level.
so in short ichigo has 0 issues until android saga.
ichigo can easly beat frieza no joke ichigo's final form the horn of savation is easely cabable to wipe frieza due to 2 factors 1 its is shinigami+hollow+quincy this is a 3x multiplier of a 10x multiplier of the shikai base power. which is capable of destroying a meteor the size of the sereitei.
secodn ywhach bach destroyed ichigo's banaki bacuase he feared what it could do. ywhach bach is the son of the soul king the very entity that holds the very fabric of reality together. he in fact is now the one holding reality together so ichigo at worst is half as strong as the guy keeping all of reality in place with just their energy. note that the soul king = yhwach in terms of power and the soul king created 4 dimensions out of 1
so *SPOILER ALERT* ichigo being a soul king candidate would make him a universal level threat. most people don't want to believe it but to be the soul king or even a candidate you spiritual pressure has to be able to balance out multiple dimensions. one being our entire universe and the other two being relative in size. and spiritual pressure directly relates to attack defense and speed just like ki. you don't start seeing universal level feats in dbz until berrus shows up. further proof is in the new hell ark manga where ichigo is stronger than yawach and yawach was about to destroy all of reality and rebuild it.
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I honestly thought you were gonna say something like "They want to see a strawberry fight Goku?" Tbh 💀
Saitama, deku, kusuo saiki (with or without pins), and kirby (he did have an anime) are ones you should pick. Kirby is quite literally on par with gods, and saiki is so powerful that he needs devices to weaken him exponentially just so he doesn't kill everyone.
Ichigo is way stronger than that bro, it alright even a lot of Bleach fans forget this. But as someone who power scaled him before I'm just gonna have to say man gets through dbz and up to the Resurrection of F saga in his base form
I think Ichigo makes it to super where he hard stops at SSJ God level
Oh nah that’s to far bro
In power he should
Chi Chi from 23 Budakai Tournament(139) Would Stomp Ichigo.. You aware early dragonball Charcyers are a moon level or higher..
Ichigo is Universal+ 💀 Chi-Chi is going to get USED by Ichigo
Early Frieza saga, if we are talking movie timeline he gets to Cooler's Revenge. He gets a lot farther then majority of characters could go.
Ichigo gets to the battle of gods
All I’m saying Adam (Record of Ragnarock) or Zeus (Record of Ragnarock) in Dragon Ball
it would be interesting if you did saint seiya
Yusuke Urameshi?
Idk why people are heavily wanking Ichigo in the comments, like I think he's a pretty good fighter and I like the show but I'm sorry even if he did somehow make it to cell saga he loses to the androids.
If you know your Bleach enough and dragon ball than you know the answer already
how far would Hunter x Hunter Gon or Killua get?
I went to see Asura from Asura’s wrath, that’ll be interesting to see where you’ll think he gets up too.
aw hell yeah! IchiGOAT is Number 1!!
If you do non-anime ones, maybe Spider-Man or Wolverine and some of the other X-Men?
Something pretty major to consider is how much his sword matters here. Clearly just blasting raw energy or putting energy into your fists is a lot less efficient than cutting power... And by clearly, I mean look at how much weaker Krillin is than every target he gets a clean cut with Destructo Disc with. No shot we're saying Krillin's raw power could one shot Namek Frieza, but with a cutting edge, it sure seems like had a chance to, given the clean tail cut and Frieza making very sure to dodge the Disc barrage. Not to mention Ichigo's scaling becomes questionable to not at least say he's above-planetary since at end of manga he has less destructive feats but more raw energy feats (like scaling to soul king's energy keeping the multiverse intact). I think considering the sword and other character canon he scales to in verse, Ichigo should at least be making it into Super/ToP. At that point he might contend in power with the cutting edge, but probably gets speed blitzed?
That is being monumentally generous to Ichigo. Realistically, he is getting utterly dominated before we even hit DBZ era (based on what I've seen, and the feats I've been told about.).
@@ikeillue8385 Not sure what feats you've been told about or seen personally, but the end series deals with minimum universal threats at lowball. Not only does he beat someone who easily beat another person that can destroy one of the universes in bleach just by activating their bankai (aka, not even actively attacking, just powering up) but he, as stated above, scales to the soul king's energy (Because he replaces the soul king) which keeps all of bleach's multiverse intact. The living world, the soul society, hell, and hueco mundo all being separate universes.
@@kirinashia567 A character that can destroy the universe, or a character that has been stated that they can. There is an important difference there. One is proven power scaling, and the other one could be argued by merely saying that its hyperbole.
@@ikeillue8385 I mean, if you're going that route, I could lowball the ever living SHIT out of a lot of dragon ball characters. Could compare Super Buu to God Goku and Beerus' clash.
But reasonably, given the scale of where things are in the last arc, it's not like the statement is way out of line to other feats. Gremmy, an underling that lost to Kenpachi, who is weaker than both the universe destroyer and the guy that easily beat HIM, was able to (and did, on screen) create a galaxy comparable to the IRL milky way. That single feat from Gremmy (Again, an underling much weaker than other characters, especially Ichigo himself) requires 1.543e64 joules of energy, placing him in Multi-Solar System level+
@@kirinashia567 I don't fully understand what your point is on that first paragraph. Comparing Super Buu to the Goku Beerus clash would be high balling Super Buu, not lowballing. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your point.
Except that isn't an AP feat. Creation and attack potency aren't the same thing. Saying that creating a galaxy means that they are capable of comparable attack potency is like saying that someone is capable of 200 mph speeds, because they are 200 pounds (except even worse, because creation has no calculatable units, so it doesn't even work on the most fundamental level). Essentially, and I'm sorry for being overly blunt about this, but the joule requirement that you mentioned is complete BS. Its an arbitrary number that you came up with. I could say that it requires 2 joules, and it would have exactly the same amount of evidence backing it up as your claim. Heck, I could say that it requires 6 inches of force, and it would make the same amount of sense as your claim.
Even if creation and attack potency were interchangeable, a galaxy level feat isn't anywhere near close enough to prove universal level power. That would be like hearing someone say about a real world UFC fighter; "that guy hits like a truck" and assuming its literal, because the person who lost to him has above average punching strength. Except that example is far closer in comparison, than galaxy level to universal.
Again, reasonably scaled, I haven't even seen a good argument to put anything in the Bleach universe at planet level, let alone the universal+ that I've seen people claim.