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I much prefer to place the speakers into the room 1/3 of the way off the front wall and augment the SQ with a subwoofer running at approx 50%. Great soundstage, depth, imaging and plenty of ooomph from the sub without compromising all the amazing things these fr5's do well.
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt the ELAC 3010 subwoofer can be controlled via a smart device and a bluetooth connection. the app allows for DSP and level adjustments among other things. Instead of setting the subwoofer output at 100%, I set it to 50%+/- depending on the musical selection.
measurements are equally important as subjective impressions. I am amazed that you are saying you can’t hear a 3db dip. Your ears cannot be that far gone! I have paradigm founder 120 that were really bright in the treble region. Ran Dirac on it and noticed that it brought down things after 6khz, so yes it is noticeable. It depends on the room a lot but I know you know that.
It shows that the opinion of someone else, in another room, with other ears, with other preferences doesn’t mean a thing. If he can’t hear a 3 db dip, then why does his opinion matter?
Although this guy seems as though he absolutely does not understand what can or can't be known about a loudspeaker system based upon measurements he is correct in stating that most people won't notice a 3 db difference while listening to music. 3 bd is barely perceptible when listening back to back at a certain frequency. As you probably know a musical instrument is harmonic and when a note is played it is made up of the fundamental frequency and harmonics that the instrument produces which is why a note played on guitar sound different if it is played on acoustic guitar or electric or piano, violin, sax. or voice. Many people don't understand the db scale. 3 db is barely perceptible and 10 db is double loudness according to our perception. An amazing speaker is within 1.5 db + or - of reference between 40 and 16 khz at all frequencies in between. Once placed in a room that frequency response is destroyed unless it is very large, perfectly treated, and some eq used which limits dynamic headroom or all listening is done nearfield which has it's own set of problems for listening enjoyment.
@@ninjareynolds It's worth noting, referencing small variations in level (1dB, 2dB, 3dB) benefits greatly from additional context. Due to the equal loudness contours, how prevalent we perceive a level change is impacted by both frequency and overall level. Peaks in level are typically easier to discern than dips of the same magnitude. Depending on the Q of a level change, and with greater familiarity of the material, ... even 1dB raise in level can be discernible.
@@FOH3663 Are you talking about adjusting levels through the use of dsp or the acoustic frequency response of a loudspeaker system? If a speaker system produces a frequency response that is within 1 db of variation and a person can detect that it isn't flat there is a reason for it. That reason is because human ears are more sensitive to certain frequencies than others and most people would assume that a certain group of mid range frequencies are boosted even if they are 1 db down from reference. Also, if music or even frequency sweeps are playing and the volume is adjusted so that there is 1 db more acoustic output it isn't discernable unless some components in the system are close enough to increased distortion that produce 1 bd more of acoustic output would also cause a detectable increase of distrotion.
It's crazy to think that measurements don't matter. It has nothing to do with mental gymnastics. Anyone that says measurements don't matter....just doesn't understand measurements.
The people who state measurement's don't matter, don't know the first thing about loudspeaker design. You literally need measurements to "PROPERLY" design a loudspeaker, period. Yes, you can "make" a loudspeaker without them but the loudspeaker that was designed based on measurements will sound superior EVERYTIME. There is more to measurements than just FR (Frequency Response) you also have to factor in impedance, phase, BSC, Diffractions, time alignment, Xmax, Fs, etc. All these issues is calculated and then solved through measurements. The fact people just discredit measurements and their importance blows my mind.
I notice he has room treatments. Fairly advanced room treatments for mid and high. If measurements don't matter, why is he trying to room correct? Simple. Measurements DO matter. They are not the only thing that matters but if room/speaker a combo measures like crap, its going to sound like crap. However if it measures well, then Jay's subjective take has some merit.
I don't think the question is whether measurements matter, but who do they matter to, and why? Measurements certainly matter to the folks designing speakers, all of whom, to my knowledge, use measurements, to one degree or another, when designing speakers. Whether measurements matter to the consumer is a matter of personal choice. I wouldn't purchase a speaker based strictly on measurements. I doubt any consumer would. On the other hand, I will look at measurements, if available, because I want a speaker that measures well, and also sounds good. Measurements tell me what kind of amplifier is best for the speaker, and whether certain anomalies in an amplifier will send off alarms in the speaker. Whether the speaker will play well with certain types of music. Whether the speaker needs some type of reinforcement to provide adequate bass. No doubt there are more. The point is that speaker measurements can be useful to purchasers to illustrate hiccups that won't likely rear their heads during an audition at a dealer.
Not a comment on this video but, Jay, I am slowly getting through your "Jay's Audio Lab" playlist and, boy, have you curated a fantastic selection of music. Highly recommended guys!
Thanks Jay, I purchased and returned the FR10s earlier this year. Really like them for what they offered (at a discounted price) but wasn't my kind of sound in my room. I really appreciate their generous in-home trial.
All that matters is if you like the speakers or not. Your ears will determine this one way or the other. And let's not even get people started on "edge diffraction" craziness...
Frequency response is a way of determining how accurate a speaker is, not how it sounds. I also enjoy watching Paul's (of PS Audio) RUclips videos! Very fun, very informative, and like having a cup of hot chocolate with my grandfather! I'm glad you liked the FR5's because he and his team really seem like they put their heart and soul into everything they do.
Measurements have a place in pro audio for sure as I worked for a big outfit and we made sure our systems were setup to play everything that was run through it as true as possible , but your point about these is valid as well in the home it's what's making you happy and what sounds good to your ears , these speakers make high end accessible to a lot more people , you've done a fantastic job here and based on your video id guess a pair of these with a conservatively run subwoofer would provide a lifetime of enjoyment for anyone who was interested in HiFi, great stuff jay
I am satisfied with the review, especially regarding the efficiency at 6 ohms, which requires a really high quality amplifier. Jay I am going to upgrade my very good Accuphase integrated amplifier 135 watts 8ohm 270 4 ohms . Thank you for a fair and balanced review as a new subscriber you won my respect. Jay, most of us are not rich, but I have a good ear for quality and value. The FR5 represents exceptional value and as a proud owner I am enjoying it everyday. Sincerely
Excellent review Jay. I am a 71 year business consultant --- Jay you gained tremendous credibility with this review. I think you are on your way to 100,000 subscribers. Wishing you the very best.
Measurements provided anchor points for people to extrapolate/predict the general expectation for the speakers performance in their room. Knowing anechoic measurements and then knowing how that measurements manifest themselves in a particular room allows ones to get a sense what their room would do to speakers with certain characteristics. I'm not sure completely dissing measurements is beneficial to the audience. I would appreciate to see your room measurements, that together with daya from Erin's Audio Corner give me data points for how these would sound in my room. I find the subjective discussions also valueable too, they both have their place.
A superb and important introductory message about measurements. Thankyou!!! I agree, some people put way too much importance on measurements. Measurements can go some way to explain what you are hearing, but thats about it. What if you really love the sound of the speaker/amplifier/DAC but then found out it was not superb measurement wise? Do you buy what you like the sound of and sounds good to your ears? or do you base your purchase on what looks good on a graph? You will be listening to this purchase with your ears, not through a graph. Buy what you li’e the sound of, regardless of measurement.
Thanks Jay. Mentioning needing 250 watts to “wake up” the speakers is a key point in the review. The final takeaway on how a stand mount can give pause regarding pursuing the Uber expensive shows how one can assemble a speaker system on the cheap, subs included, than can bring things to the table larger designs struggle with. This has been my experience for decades. Plus, a system like this is much easier to live with and move around. Add the subs and high pass the monitors and the game completely changes.
Just picked up a set of these to replace my Bowers and Wilkins bookshelves for my computer setup , I'm using them near Field but still miles better than the Bowers. Thanks for bringing these to light Jay , they are truly special especially for their price 😁
I understand your point about the measurements I think they have their place but the ears are the most important tool! If something doesn’t sound right you can use measurements to identify the problem. I read some of the comments about people complaining about your opinion and some of those comments seem like they didn’t listen to everything you said. Sometimes products can have flaws that don’t show up in measurements as well. If you rely on measurements and it measures well, that does put a bias so it could be a bad product but because you are a biased to believe the measurements you won’t believe your ears.
Great that Jay is giving "more affordable" loudspeakers a run, as this is where the vast majority of audiophiles and music lovers live(and we don't have 50 grand plus of amps either. Try mission 770s, these are getting serious love in the UK Jay, they'll be amazing on that set up of yours.
That's definitely a different level a speaker, that's meant to approach the ultra hiend...I would say the better the frontend on the Arendal the better they will get....
Loudspeaker measurements is a good place to start when choosing your n ew speakers! Very rarely do good speakers measure bad. But could sound better with better parts. I'm retired and have 5 systems and do it for the music!😊
Great review! Awesome that you can experience very expensive hi-fi as a reference and when comparing it to “cheaper” hi-fi you still manage to keep perspective and give us a very objective opinion. It shows that you’re not tainted with just the price tag, but know how to recognize each for what they bring to the table. Respect.
Jay should get his hands on some ultra high end stand mounted speakers. I think they will sound better than what he has had in the past. I think his room is too small for most of the speakers he has had. He could try The Compact Reference One, by TAD. Or The Joseph Audio Pulsar2 Graphene
Of course, it's all about the listening. Loudspeaker design is a fascinating discipline of juggling compromises that accompanies the physics of the pursuit. Individuals have worked for decades to determine which acoustic measurements matter, and how to accurately capture them. There exist certain measurable characteristics of the room, and there's certain measurable characteristics of the loudspeaker ... that either limit the playback performance, or facilitate a higher level of playback performance. Regarding setup and optimization of the speaker/room interface, ... unless you measure, you're essentially flying blind. Also, my opinion, every system in every room benefits from EQ'ing within the minimum phase region. The challenge is implementation of an adequately transparent EQ into the system.
Another great review…thanks for not bending the knee to manufacturer and giving a true honest review that we can trust and we are able to make purchase with confidence. Unlike 90% of the other reviewers on RUclips! You are very knowledgable reviewer…period!
@jaysaudiolab , Hi, thanks for such good reviews and all content around FR5. I really need your help Jay, at this moment. I have 30m2 room, where speaker placement can be made on isoacoustic isolation pad aperta, on the bookshelf at the distance in between speakers 112cm and 20-25cm from the back speakers to the wall (with bass traps treated straight after the speakers back) and the listening position is 200cm from the speakers. Its not an ideal triangle, but still, i do also like toe in advantages. So regarding placement possibilities this is what agreed with my beloved one:) my gear is Chord Dave DAC straight into Chord Etude Power amplifier which is rated 150w into 4ohms. Cables are Furutech DSS and DAS 4.1 series RCA and Speaker. 1 - Would you think placement would suit and work , 2 - is such power in watts enough to drive? Huge thanks, i am looking forward! P.s previously i had Harbeth P3ESRXD but they lacked extensions in highs and bass , but had really good vocals to my taste.
? Measurements are super important. Your right, you can't measure somethings but the one you can is how accurate it is!!!!!! That's why it's important. Then you know your speakers are flat, then everything else can make sense. Cmon dude
😂 I have been saying this online for years! Measurements don't mean shit 💩! Just how the speakers sound in your listening environment! Those channels that push that BS like the guy with the beard.. Turn then off. Well done Jay!!
I’m being honest Jay. I’ve never been a fan of this channel or its content. But, this video caught my attention. Jay, I take my hat off to you. A man with the backbone, a man with the forthright BOLLOX to buck the trend. To blow against the wind, to say it as it is and shout it with inner conviction. I’ve recently had a heated exchange of comments with a fellow RUclips follower of Paul of PS Audio’s channel. This viewer was exceptionally esoteric, elitist and patronising. Telling me my opinion was worthless because I don’t own or use any type of “measuring suite”. My response was that the only suite I needed was my 3 peace suite which I sit on to listen to and enjoy music. My auditory system was more than good enough to determine whether my hi-if’s audio reproduction was accurate enough, musical enough, dynamic enough for me to fully appreciate and enjoy the music it reproduces. As you rightly point out, those attributes can’t be measured by anything other than a pair of good ears. I know that my comments are likely to ruffle a few esoteric feathers, and there will likely be some negative backlash, but like you Jay, i remain stoic. Keep up the good work Jay. More content like this would be welcome.
Thanks Jay - all the work you put into this experiment/journey - from "out of the box" all the way to the final listening sessions was really cool - I enjoyed all the "shorts" along the way too - - no doubt the 5's set a very high bar for their asking price - so cool to see and hear them performing with your current set up.
I enjoy your honest and interesting approach and opinions. While I appreciate that listening to clips via RUclips is fraught with compromises, I was disappointed in the bass definition from these speakers. It might have been plentiful, but was too loose and fluffy for my taste. I was also slightly bothered by the tonality, but that is also a matter of personal taste. Despite that, their overall performance is remarkable for their size and price. Well done Jay.
I really prefer the looks and construction of this speaker to another wooden box. Especially in white. This FR range is already iconic with its appearance.
I have never heard a great measuring speaker sound bad. Measurements are not everything. Hearing is also important. Buying a vehicle involves more than specifications. However, horsepower, torque, mileage, all are figured into MY buying decisions.
You may not measure it and not care about measurements but the consistent colouration will prove to be wearing in the longer term especially if your musical tastes are varied. Phase coherence is to do with the psycho acoustic like imaging and sound stage. The point source nature of small speakers is also known and measurable.
@ but to say measurements don’t matter at all is pretty harsh, surely most of the expensive speakers you’re listening to do measure well. I’m not into doing measurements myself. But I do count on the speaker engineers to use them when designing a speaker.
I watched this again. You know, Jay, I can determine when the upper midrange area, which many are very sensitive to, is lacking, neutral or pronounced in a speaker. Not absolutely precisely of course, but well enough to determine if a speaker is laid back or forward sounding. And if I were to see the measurements of the speaker after listening to it, and its measured performance corresponds to what what I heard, it would not be surprising to me. I would assume it wouldn't be a surprise to you either given the same scenario.
Hi Jay, thankyou for the nice set of thorough honest reviews on the FR5s and your set up of them, though I don't remember how far apart each speaker was from one another. Two questions: Do you think these speakers are too small for a carpeted 23X24 room. I have ample power to drive them. 2cd, have you had the opportunity to listen to Klipsch Heresy IV, and if you have, aside from the drastic difference in efficiency, how would they compare? I'm looking for depth and sound stage.
Jay mate, your question about hearing the measurements is a valid one. The answer is (from personal experience) that after measurements were done, and making PEQ adjustments to adjust to match a personal target line you surely hear differences. No placebo, but definitely different. The measurements are done to optimize the speakers to integrate better in the room - to bring the best out of your speaker when its sitting in the room. I don't think people measure "just to measure" unless they have a studio.
The Magico offers slightly tighter bass, faster transients, and a little more separation. However, it sounds a bit lean, and that treble could get fatiguing. The PS audio offers more body, air and - to me - sounds more musical/organic. It would be more forgiving of poor recordings, imperfect rooms and choice of electronics. I enjoyed listening to the ps audio more.
@@glennmcdonald7673 I don’t know why one would buy a bad speaker (misinformed, ignorant), but according to your statement, it’s all about the room, just setting the record straight.
Room, room, ROOM! I found this out with my Klipsch Forte' 4's. In my main listening space (18x24x8'), I found them difficult to warm up to. Harsh and fatiguing! Moved upstairs to my living/dining room with throw rug and plushy sofa? TOTALLY DIFFERENT SPEAKER! Pulled nearly 3' feet into the room, 12' feet apart, listening 14' back caused this HUGE change. BIG low end, smooth and balanced presentation. SHOCKED I am, and so, that is where they live now to enjoy.❤
I’m glad you did this type of review and will be doing more in the future. There are some reviewers with ultra high systems but seem too scared to do something like this and be as honest as you. The pros and cons are fair and realistic.
The topic of loudspeaker measurements ends when you see two different speakers with nearly identical measurements sound completely different. While measurements (efficiency, frequency response) can provide general information about a speaker, they don't tell you how it SOUNDS. Period.
Do You realize...YOU and so many of your audio friends are BEING DUPED by those that either lack knowledge of how and what to measure or are quite possibly hucksters just trying to sell what profits them while intentionally blocking products and technologies that show how generally pathetic audio performance so many products are compared to what can be done at a similar or LOWER PRICE
Great job! How much do you think the upscaled electronics played in assisting the FR5's positive performance? Is it possible that with lesser electronics that their performance might be sub par?
Hey I argue that volume level on a slow sweep can be heard to some extent by a good portion of people. Only loosely and to taste not a measuring microphone but it can be heard somewhat as the numbers flash past and your listening. I write down 20,30,40,55,70,90 etc on an A4 piece of paper, get the 20-20000hz 2min youtube vid up and listen for if there are any big room boom at like 50hz, muddy hands cupping mouth to shout like midrange at 400hz from crossover issues etc and sibilance harshness (loud and hard sound) at 3-4khz in a speaker with high hz playing midranges giving cone breakup problems. You don't have to be a genius you just have to Feel and listen for volume variance and rate what you hear out of 10 through the sweep and just lightly touch up the issues (usually a light cut, I almost never add). It can help mask up speakers issues. I can't weld great, I don't have the feel there I get it some people won't be able to do it but surely it's not that impossible? Not accurate sure but like partially improving sound?
Great direction for your channel Jay. Very thorough honest review of a "real world" product. Appealing to those that don't consider $3500 cheap is a great move and will bring a much broader audience to ultra high end stuff. You'll get a lot more subs too if you're interested in that...
The measurement topic was interesting. I recommend room measurement for bass response as needed. That really helps to find optimal placement for the speakers and your listening position to avoid peaks and nulls in bass response. Same goes for subwoofer integration. The human ear and bass below 50hz is shaky at best. Yes you can hear it but no way you can detect the SPL variation.
For the money, i would go with a gershman studio 2 or xdb if you could find a good deal on those. I would also suggest the klipsch nines at a grand, they are incredible for the money, theyll do anearly everything any floorstander will, no need for a sub.
the vital thing is how any particular speaker behave and responds to YOUR room. a speaker can be perfect in a room and really bad in other, thats why you have to EQ , yes equalize , use an equalizer to match speaker to your room. theres always something to compensate, eq is a valuable tool. too bad most audiophiles dont use it...their loss. most audiophiles know nothing about audio.. pro audio and sound engineers eq everything all the time everywhere they go...so...why wouldnt you? dont measure...just listten... set as your taste and then forget everything and enjoy music.
Room and speaker measurements are informative and extremely helpful, but I agree 100% you need to listen and you need to very carefully A-B. You can have placebo you can be mislead but that's true of anything, the measurements show potential problems but the correlation with what you hear isnt good enough to solve any problems. Plenty written about phsyco acoustics and measurements , Mr Toole, Harmon etc. We do listen to everything with 'distortion' and phase in any room, we are clever enough to hear through the room and know and understand the room and prefer to have what we are used to not an anachoic chamber. I like to adjust for some things but usually less is more with EQ and DSP
" I am starting to wonder if there is a need for a 700 pound Magico in my room - Jay " .......... actually for the extreme majority of folks - no - there is not a need for such a speaker - there are other more modest designs which make more sense for all but the largest listening rooms ,,,,,, if fact you can very easily overload a room with too big a speaker and it will actually sound worse then a smaller speaker .
hi Jay those are words of wisdom you have spoken, there is a lot of rubbish wisdom in the Audio world. I'm glad you punctured this hot air balloon. I enjoyed your review of these PS FR 5 speakers. thank you for this beautiful journey, and look forward to the sequel. love from the Netherlands ❤️👍
Jay, thanks for the review! The biggest con I have about these speakers is that they look CHEAP! If I were to base the price on looks alone I would estimate their worth at around $1,200 not $3,500. It wouldn’t matter how great they sounded or what sonic party trick they could pull off. I’m probably spoiled being that I own a pair of TAD CR1’s with those gorgeous Pammele Sapele wood cabinets.Ahhh…their majesty caresses the eyes and ears.
I would like just to listen to my awesome music and just forget that time is passing by. That’s what I would want in my stereo gear. Then I can concentrate on making my paintings.
Soundstage,imaging and other such descriptions are in the recordings not the speakers or electronics. All we're asking of the equipment is to distort or break up due to excessive volume.
I’ve never seen or heard the FR5 in person, that said I completely agree with your comment on fit-finish. Unfortunately it appears common to all PSA Aspen lineup. The FR30 & 20 are spectacular sounding speakers. The fit and finish do not match the sound quality. These would never be allowed in our home due to their fit & finish, looks more like something I’d find with an Ikea tag on them. Paul and Chris MUST improve the cabinet finish if they want to be a serious speaker manufacturer in marketplace
Do you know why some people measure speakers? Well to find out of changes to the crossover made any effect . If you have a speaker that has a real nasty dip to let's say at 1 Ohm and you want to get rid of that (to be able to drive it ) You might wanna do this by tweaking the crossover . to be sure it works you want to measure the results..
There's grafic picture that explains what the different things we describe is located on the response, both up and down. And I think most people will pick out.. say 2-3dB. So I listen, look and measure. Sometimes it's off a little but I don't feel it's bad so I leave it alone (or try for a while and turn it back if I don't notice anything. I'm running fully active speakers so I can easily iron out the curve flat to the last detail, that however does not sound good when I have tried it. And yeah, it's convenient for measurements on acoustic treatments and a few other things, it's a tool and nothing more.
I remember when I really started in this hobby. Was looking for a system for “home theater” for my living room tv. I didn’t want one of those in a box systems. I ended up with psb speakers, front and rear, I assume a center channel, and I can’t remember if I had a sub, and a Sony receiver. I was listening one evening to an episode of Law and Order, and I kept hearing police radios, I thought in the open area of my townhomes. I keep looking out the windows for them. Near the end of the show, I realized it was the sound from the crime scenes on the tv. Has never heard them before on the built in speakers from the tv. After that I was hooked. Later I had a home theater system with Vandersteen speakers, subs, and Theta Digital hardware. The first time I watched master and commander, two of my nieces were with me. We all jumped at the first cannon fire. I’d sit and listen to the Eagles and Pink Floyd for hours on end, it was so moving.
Jay, thanks for the review. I’d heard 5 or 6 reviews of the FR5s so far and all were based on how they sounded - all ratings were better-than-average to great. I recently came across a review of them that gave a mediocre rating, but went into the whole measurements thing. This same person semi-trashed another speaker that had gotten decent reviews after measuring it as well. They picked apart what the speakers didn’t do, then used a graph to explain it. When I test components, I use the only tools I need - my ears. Keep up the great work.
I know a guy that could hear I used the wrong crossover frequencies for my bookshelf speakers, and he was right about it. He works on airplane electronics and vintage amplifiers.
But it must be said that large, powerful speakers scale dynamics very well, which makes the realism even more convincing. And I don't mean just the bass. Additionally, the mass of sound and its physical sensation.
Nicely done sir! It would be very interesting if you could get some UK made Alchris Audio speakers to try... Just a thought . Happy listening ans best wishes from Scotland.🏴 Jim🏴🙂
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I much prefer to place the speakers into the room 1/3 of the way off the front wall and augment the SQ with a subwoofer running at approx 50%. Great soundstage, depth, imaging and plenty of ooomph from the sub without compromising all the amazing things these fr5's do well.
@@EagleCrestVineyards if it works for you , good !
@@EagleCrestVineyardsWhat does running a sub 50% even mean?
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt the ELAC 3010 subwoofer can be controlled via a smart device and a bluetooth connection. the app allows for DSP and level adjustments among other things. Instead of setting the subwoofer output at 100%, I set it to 50%+/- depending on the musical selection.
This speakers are not affordable to many many people. Try reviewing some 1k to 2k. Thats more reasonable for most of us.
measurements are equally important as subjective impressions. I am amazed that you are saying you can’t hear a 3db dip. Your ears cannot be that far gone! I have paradigm founder 120 that were really bright in the treble region. Ran Dirac on it and noticed that it brought down things after 6khz, so yes it is noticeable. It depends on the room a lot but I know you know that.
It shows that the opinion of someone else, in another room, with other ears, with other preferences doesn’t mean a thing. If he can’t hear a 3 db dip, then why does his opinion matter?
Although this guy seems as though he absolutely does not understand what can or can't be known about a loudspeaker system based upon measurements he is correct in stating that most people won't notice a 3 db difference while listening to music. 3 bd is barely perceptible when listening back to back at a certain frequency. As you probably know a musical instrument is harmonic and when a note is played it is made up of the fundamental frequency and harmonics that the instrument produces which is why a note played on guitar sound different if it is played on acoustic guitar or electric or piano, violin, sax. or voice. Many people don't understand the db scale. 3 db is barely perceptible and 10 db is double loudness according to our perception. An amazing speaker is within 1.5 db + or - of reference between 40 and 16 khz at all frequencies in between. Once placed in a room that frequency response is destroyed unless it is very large, perfectly treated, and some eq used which limits dynamic headroom or all listening is done nearfield which has it's own set of problems for listening enjoyment.
@@ninjareynolds
It's worth noting, referencing small variations in level (1dB, 2dB, 3dB) benefits greatly from additional context.
Due to the equal loudness contours, how prevalent we perceive a level change is impacted by both frequency and overall level.
Peaks in level are typically easier to discern than dips of the same magnitude.
Depending on the Q of a level change, and with greater familiarity of the material, ... even 1dB raise in level can be discernible.
@@FOH3663 Are you talking about adjusting levels through the use of dsp or the acoustic frequency response of a loudspeaker system? If a speaker system produces a frequency response that is within 1 db of variation and a person can detect that it isn't flat there is a reason for it. That reason is because human ears are more sensitive to certain frequencies than others and most people would assume that a certain group of mid range frequencies are boosted even if they are 1 db down from reference.
Also, if music or even frequency sweeps are playing and the volume is adjusted so that there is 1 db more acoustic output it isn't discernable unless some components in the system are close enough to increased distortion that produce 1 bd more of acoustic output would also cause a detectable increase of distrotion.
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I'm referring to SPL magnitude at a given freq and Q.
It's crazy to think that measurements don't matter.
It has nothing to do with mental gymnastics. Anyone that says measurements don't matter....just doesn't understand measurements.
Ok
The people who state measurement's don't matter, don't know the first thing about loudspeaker design. You literally need measurements to "PROPERLY" design a loudspeaker, period. Yes, you can "make" a loudspeaker without them but the loudspeaker that was designed based on measurements will sound superior EVERYTIME. There is more to measurements than just FR (Frequency Response) you also have to factor in impedance, phase, BSC, Diffractions, time alignment, Xmax, Fs, etc. All these issues is calculated and then solved through measurements. The fact people just discredit measurements and their importance blows my mind.
I notice he has room treatments. Fairly advanced room treatments for mid and high. If measurements don't matter, why is he trying to room correct? Simple. Measurements DO matter. They are not the only thing that matters but if room/speaker a combo measures like crap, its going to sound like crap. However if it measures well, then Jay's subjective take has some merit.
Absolutely. Might as well listen to Cheapaudioman .
I don't think the question is whether measurements matter, but who do they matter to, and why? Measurements certainly matter to the folks designing speakers, all of whom, to my knowledge, use measurements, to one degree or another, when designing speakers. Whether measurements matter to the consumer is a matter of personal choice. I wouldn't purchase a speaker based strictly on measurements. I doubt any consumer would. On the other hand, I will look at measurements, if available, because I want a speaker that measures well, and also sounds good. Measurements tell me what kind of amplifier is best for the speaker, and whether certain anomalies in an amplifier will send off alarms in the speaker. Whether the speaker will play well with certain types of music. Whether the speaker needs some type of reinforcement to provide adequate bass. No doubt there are more. The point is that speaker measurements can be useful to purchasers to illustrate hiccups that won't likely rear their heads during an audition at a dealer.
Not a comment on this video but, Jay, I am slowly getting through your "Jay's Audio Lab" playlist and, boy, have you curated a fantastic selection of music. Highly recommended guys!
Thanks 🙏
Ignore the measurebators. Great review!
Great review Jay
Thanks Jay, I purchased and returned the FR10s earlier this year. Really like them for what they offered (at a discounted price) but wasn't my kind of sound in my room. I really appreciate their generous in-home trial.
All that matters is if you like the speakers or not.
Your ears will determine this one way or the other.
And let's not even get people started on "edge diffraction" craziness...
Frequency response is a way of determining how accurate a speaker is, not how it sounds. I also enjoy watching Paul's (of PS Audio) RUclips videos! Very fun, very informative, and like having a cup of hot chocolate with my grandfather! I'm glad you liked the FR5's because he and his team really seem like they put their heart and soul into everything they do.
Measurements have a place in pro audio for sure as I worked for a big outfit and we made sure our systems were setup to play everything that was run through it as true as possible , but your point about these is valid as well in the home it's what's making you happy and what sounds good to your ears , these speakers make high end accessible to a lot more people , you've done a fantastic job here and based on your video id guess a pair of these with a conservatively run subwoofer would provide a lifetime of enjoyment for anyone who was interested in HiFi, great stuff jay
I am satisfied with the review, especially regarding the efficiency at 6 ohms, which requires a really high quality amplifier. Jay I am going to upgrade my very good Accuphase integrated amplifier 135 watts 8ohm 270 4 ohms . Thank you for a fair and balanced review as a new subscriber you won my respect. Jay, most of us are not rich, but I have a good ear for quality and value. The FR5 represents exceptional value and as a proud owner I am enjoying it everyday. Sincerely
Thanks for sharing
Thanks for sharing Jay
Excellent review Jay. I am a 71 year business consultant --- Jay you gained tremendous credibility with this review. I think you are on your way to 100,000 subscribers. Wishing you the very best.
Much appreciated!
Measurements provided anchor points for people to extrapolate/predict the general expectation for the speakers performance in their room. Knowing anechoic measurements and then knowing how that measurements manifest themselves in a particular room allows ones to get a sense what their room would do to speakers with certain characteristics. I'm not sure completely dissing measurements is beneficial to the audience. I would appreciate to see your room measurements, that together with daya from Erin's Audio Corner give me data points for how these would sound in my room. I find the subjective discussions also valueable too, they both have their place.
A superb and important introductory message about measurements. Thankyou!!!
I agree, some people put way too much importance on measurements. Measurements can go some way to explain what you are hearing, but thats about it.
What if you really love the sound of the speaker/amplifier/DAC but then found out it was not superb measurement wise? Do you buy what you like the sound of and sounds good to your ears? or do you base your purchase on what looks good on a graph?
You will be listening to this purchase with your ears, not through a graph. Buy what you li’e the sound of, regardless of measurement.
Jay - I really appreciate this review. Nice work man. I for one, would like to see you go up the PS Audio speaker line.
Noted!
@@jaysaudiolab I agree - I would love for you to review the FR30's.
Thanks Jay.
Mentioning needing 250 watts to “wake up” the speakers is a key point in the review.
The final takeaway on how a stand mount can give pause regarding pursuing the Uber expensive shows how one can assemble a speaker system on the cheap, subs included, than can bring things to the table larger designs struggle with. This has been my experience for decades. Plus, a system like this is much easier to live with and move around. Add the subs and high pass the monitors and the game completely changes.
Just picked up a set of these to replace my Bowers and Wilkins bookshelves for my computer setup , I'm using them near Field but still miles better than the Bowers. Thanks for bringing these to light Jay , they are truly special especially for their price 😁
Enjoy!
Great review Jay!! Keep doin it!! Nobody has done it like U!!☝️☝️
I appreciate that!
I understand your point about the measurements I think they have their place but the ears are the most important tool! If something doesn’t sound right you can use measurements to identify the problem. I read some of the comments about people complaining about your opinion and some of those comments seem like they didn’t listen to everything you said. Sometimes products can have flaws that don’t show up in measurements as well. If you rely on measurements and it measures well, that does put a bias so it could be a bad product but because you are a biased to believe the measurements you won’t believe your ears.
Great that Jay is giving "more affordable" loudspeakers a run, as this is where the vast majority of audiophiles and music lovers live(and we don't have 50 grand plus of amps either. Try mission 770s, these are getting serious love in the UK Jay, they'll be amazing on that set up of yours.
I think I would spend $1000 extra and get the Arendal 1528 Bookshelf if I was in the market.
That's definitely a different level a speaker, that's meant to approach the ultra hiend...I would say the better the frontend on the Arendal the better they will get....
Loudspeaker measurements is a good place to start when choosing your n ew speakers! Very rarely do good speakers measure bad. But could sound better with better parts. I'm retired and have 5 systems and do it for the music!😊
Great review! Awesome that you can experience very expensive hi-fi as a reference and when comparing it to “cheaper” hi-fi you still manage to keep perspective and give us a very objective opinion. It shows that you’re not tainted with just the price tag, but know how to recognize each for what they bring to the table. Respect.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent review. The cons mentioned are insignificant (but they do need power) compared to the pros. If you can, test the PS Audio FR30.
Thank you Jay
Best audio channel out there
Wow, thanks!
Jay should get his hands on some ultra high end stand mounted speakers. I think they will sound better than what he has had in the past. I think his room is too small for most of the speakers he has had.
He could try The Compact Reference One, by TAD.
Or The Joseph Audio Pulsar2 Graphene
Of course, it's all about the listening.
Loudspeaker design is a fascinating discipline of juggling compromises that accompanies the physics of the pursuit.
Individuals have worked for decades to determine which acoustic measurements matter, and how to accurately capture them.
There exist certain measurable characteristics of the room, and there's certain measurable characteristics of the loudspeaker ... that either limit the playback performance, or facilitate a higher level of playback performance.
Regarding setup and optimization of the speaker/room interface, ... unless you measure, you're essentially flying blind.
Also, my opinion, every system in every room benefits from EQ'ing within the minimum phase region.
The challenge is implementation of an adequately transparent EQ into the system.
Good job Jay
Thanks that was the most energetic and convincing description of a speaker Ive so far heard awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another great review…thanks for not bending the knee to manufacturer and giving a true honest review that we can trust and we are able to make purchase with confidence. Unlike 90% of the other reviewers on RUclips! You are very knowledgable reviewer…period!
Glad to help
@jaysaudiolab ,
Hi, thanks for such good reviews and all content around FR5.
I really need your help Jay, at this moment. I have 30m2 room, where speaker placement can be made on isoacoustic isolation pad aperta, on the bookshelf at the distance in between speakers 112cm and 20-25cm from the back speakers to the wall (with bass traps treated straight after the speakers back) and the listening position is 200cm from the speakers. Its not an ideal triangle, but still, i do also like toe in advantages. So regarding placement possibilities this is what agreed with my beloved one:) my gear is Chord Dave DAC straight into Chord Etude Power amplifier which is rated 150w into 4ohms. Cables are Furutech DSS and DAS 4.1 series RCA and Speaker. 1 - Would you think placement would suit and work , 2 - is such power in watts enough to drive? Huge thanks, i am looking forward! P.s previously i had Harbeth P3ESRXD but they lacked extensions in highs and bass , but had really good vocals to my taste.
? Measurements are super important. Your right, you can't measure somethings but the one you can is how accurate it is!!!!!! That's why it's important. Then you know your speakers are flat, then everything else can make sense. Cmon dude
That's why spending thousands of dollars on a system should not be base on price , and should be done by listening.
😂 I have been saying this online for years! Measurements don't mean shit 💩! Just how the speakers sound in your listening environment! Those channels that push that BS like the guy with the beard.. Turn then off.
Well done Jay!!
I’m being honest Jay. I’ve never been a fan of this channel or its content. But, this video caught my attention. Jay, I take my hat off to you. A man with the backbone, a man with the forthright BOLLOX to buck the trend. To blow against the wind, to say it as it is and shout it with inner conviction.
I’ve recently had a heated exchange of comments with a fellow RUclips follower of Paul of PS Audio’s channel. This viewer was exceptionally esoteric, elitist and patronising. Telling me my opinion was worthless because I don’t own or use any type of “measuring suite”. My response was that the only suite I needed was my 3 peace suite which I sit on to listen to and enjoy music. My auditory system was more than good enough to determine whether my hi-if’s audio reproduction was accurate enough, musical enough, dynamic enough for me to fully appreciate and enjoy the music it reproduces. As you rightly point out, those attributes can’t be measured by anything other than a pair of good ears.
I know that my comments are likely to ruffle a few esoteric feathers, and there will likely be some negative backlash, but like you Jay, i remain stoic.
Keep up the good work Jay. More content like this would be welcome.
Thank you 🙏
Very nice review. 83.5dB sensitivity is really low, but the flip side to that is its only -6dB down @35Hz. Hope to get a chance to hear these soon.
sounds beautiful with my NAD c298 180wpc to a max of 250 wpc
Spot on.love the way you say thing😂
How does an electronic device measure texture? Excellent points !!!
Thanks Jay - all the work you put into this experiment/journey - from "out of the box" all the way to the final listening sessions was really cool - I enjoyed all the "shorts" along the way too - - no doubt the 5's set a very high bar for their asking price - so cool to see and hear them performing with your current set up.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Its amazing that bookshelves might be a better option for your room Jay! It is Very interesting I’m looking forward to see more on that.
I think so too!
@@jaysaudiolabit makes me remember of the TADs that you had a listen something like a year ago. That could be an interesting option
I enjoy your honest and interesting approach and opinions. While I appreciate that listening to clips via RUclips is fraught with compromises, I was disappointed in the bass definition from these speakers. It might have been plentiful, but was too loose and fluffy for my taste. I was also slightly bothered by the tonality, but that is also a matter of personal taste. Despite that, their overall performance is remarkable for their size and price. Well done Jay.
I appreciate that!
TRUST YOUR YEARS, PEOPLE! 😀
Agreed
Very good review!! Thanks jays we trust in your signature ✅ 💯 %
I appreciate that!
Very extensive review! Nicely done Jay, appreciate the sincerity and personal opinion on these FR-5’s! Keep up the awesome work, love the channel! 👏🏽🫡
Thanks a ton!
Excellent review, Jay! Now I really want to hear what you think of the Borresen X1.
You never know
Thanks, Jay for keeping it real.
My pleasure
I really prefer the looks and construction of this speaker to another wooden box. Especially in white. This FR range is already iconic with its appearance.
Are you related to Anthony Cordesman by chance?
I have never heard a great measuring speaker sound bad. Measurements are not everything. Hearing is also important. Buying a vehicle involves more than specifications. However, horsepower, torque, mileage, all are figured into MY buying decisions.
You may not measure it and not care about measurements but the consistent colouration will prove to be wearing in the longer term especially if your musical tastes are varied. Phase coherence is to do with the psycho acoustic like imaging and sound stage. The point source nature of small speakers is also known and measurable.
Both measurements and listing are important. I don’t know how anyone could say otherwise.
Everyone has an opinion
@ but to say measurements don’t matter at all is pretty harsh, surely most of the expensive speakers you’re listening to do measure well. I’m not into doing measurements myself. But I do count on the speaker engineers to use them when designing a speaker.
@@JR-ho5qm Saying measurements don't matter and calling it stupid is a wild take, especially coming from a reviewer
I watched this again. You know, Jay, I can determine when the upper midrange area, which many are very sensitive to, is lacking, neutral or pronounced in a speaker. Not absolutely precisely of course, but well enough to determine if a speaker is laid back or forward sounding. And if I were to see the measurements of the speaker after listening to it, and its measured performance corresponds to what what I heard, it would not be surprising to me. I would assume it wouldn't be a surprise to you either given the same scenario.
I agree with the beginning. Erin always does this stuff. Lol😂
Hi Jay, thankyou for the nice set of thorough honest reviews on the FR5s and your set up of them, though I don't remember how far apart each speaker was from one another. Two questions: Do you think these speakers are too small for a carpeted 23X24 room. I have ample power to drive them. 2cd, have you had the opportunity to listen to Klipsch Heresy IV, and if you have, aside from the drastic difference in efficiency, how would they compare? I'm looking for depth and sound stage.
Great sharing. Platimon speakers have been receiving very positive reviews. Will be great to hear your opinion about Platimon vs FR5.
Thank you Jay for a great review! In depth and very practical at the same time!
Glad it was helpful!
Jay mate, your question about hearing the measurements is a valid one. The answer is (from personal experience) that after measurements were done, and making PEQ adjustments to adjust to match a personal target line you surely hear differences. No placebo, but definitely different. The measurements are done to optimize the speakers to integrate better in the room - to bring the best out of your speaker when its sitting in the room. I don't think people measure "just to measure" unless they have a studio.
Fair enough
What do you think of cabasse
Speakers and the amplifier
Thank you
So maybe you need to pursue the best smaller ones? Sonus faber Guarneri G5? Børresen Acoustics M1?
Thanks Jay as always!! Sounds like these will be great with a pair of Rels in a smaller room, What a great price too!
They are!
Would love for you to get a pair of Philharmonic Towers the BMR Version to see what you think.
That the speakers sounded good of axis piqued my interest...😊
The Magico offers slightly tighter bass, faster transients, and a little more separation. However, it sounds a bit lean, and that treble could get fatiguing. The PS audio offers more body, air and - to me - sounds more musical/organic. It would be more forgiving of poor recordings, imperfect rooms and choice of electronics. I enjoyed listening to the ps audio more.
Your room is gonna determine how good any speaker is gonna sound . Period .
True
A poor or bad speaker in a good, well treated room will not sound great, period.
@peterw2714 so why would you buy a poor sounding speaker , if you know what's good stick with it .
@@glennmcdonald7673 I don’t know why one would buy a bad speaker (misinformed, ignorant), but according to your statement, it’s all about the room, just setting the record straight.
Room, room, ROOM! I found this out with my Klipsch Forte' 4's. In my main listening space (18x24x8'), I found them difficult to warm up to. Harsh and fatiguing!
Moved upstairs to my living/dining room with throw rug and plushy sofa? TOTALLY DIFFERENT SPEAKER! Pulled nearly 3' feet into the room, 12' feet apart, listening 14' back caused this HUGE change. BIG low end, smooth and balanced presentation. SHOCKED I am, and so, that is where they live now to enjoy.❤
I’m glad you did this type of review and will be doing more in the future. There are some reviewers with ultra high systems but seem too scared to do something like this and be as honest as you.
The pros and cons are fair and realistic.
Thank you
Knowing facts is not a placebo effect!! Facts are facts. Cmon dude
Perhaps expectation bias more accurately describes what Jay is referencing.
The topic of loudspeaker measurements ends when you see two different speakers with nearly identical measurements sound completely different. While measurements (efficiency, frequency response) can provide general information about a speaker, they don't tell you how it SOUNDS. Period.
Do You realize...YOU and so many of your audio friends are BEING DUPED by those that either lack knowledge of how and what to measure or are quite possibly hucksters just trying to sell what profits them while intentionally blocking products and technologies that show how generally pathetic audio performance so many products are compared to what can be done at a similar or LOWER PRICE
Would love to hear your opinion in the future of how these compare to the Magico monitors you just received
Well done Jay - thanks!
Thanks
They must have a fairly low crossover frequency, going by the alleged imaging.
Great job! How much do you think the upscaled electronics played in assisting the FR5's positive performance? Is it possible that with lesser electronics that their performance might be sub par?
It’s possible with any speaker - not just this one
@jaysaudiolab I agree.
Hey I argue that volume level on a slow sweep can be heard to some extent by a good portion of people. Only loosely and to taste not a measuring microphone but it can be heard somewhat as the numbers flash past and your listening. I write down 20,30,40,55,70,90 etc on an A4 piece of paper, get the 20-20000hz 2min youtube vid up and listen for if there are any big room boom at like 50hz, muddy hands cupping mouth to shout like midrange at 400hz from crossover issues etc and sibilance harshness (loud and hard sound) at 3-4khz in a speaker with high hz playing midranges giving cone breakup problems. You don't have to be a genius you just have to Feel and listen for volume variance and rate what you hear out of 10 through the sweep and just lightly touch up the issues (usually a light cut, I almost never add). It can help mask up speakers issues. I can't weld great, I don't have the feel there I get it some people won't be able to do it but surely it's not that impossible? Not accurate sure but like partially improving sound?
would love to hear the 805 d5 signature! now that's a bookshelf!
Great direction for your channel Jay. Very thorough honest review of a "real world" product. Appealing to those that don't consider $3500 cheap is a great move and will bring a much broader audience to ultra high end stuff. You'll get a lot more subs too if you're interested in that...
I appreciate that!
Thanks Jay for your thoughtful well spoken opinion.
My pleasure!
The measurement topic was interesting. I recommend room measurement for bass response as needed. That really helps to find optimal placement for the speakers and your listening position to avoid peaks and nulls in bass response. Same goes for subwoofer integration. The human ear and bass below 50hz is shaky at best. Yes you can hear it but no way you can detect the SPL variation.
Great point!
For the money, i would go with a gershman studio 2 or xdb if you could find a good deal on those. I would also suggest the klipsch nines at a grand, they are incredible for the money, theyll do anearly everything any floorstander will, no need for a sub.
the vital thing is how any particular speaker behave and responds to YOUR room. a speaker can be perfect in a room and really bad in other, thats why you have to EQ , yes equalize , use an equalizer to match speaker to your room. theres always something to compensate, eq is a valuable tool. too bad most audiophiles dont use it...their loss. most audiophiles know nothing about audio.. pro audio and sound engineers eq everything all the time everywhere they go...so...why wouldnt you?
dont measure...just listten... set as your taste and then forget everything and enjoy music.
Room and speaker measurements are informative and extremely helpful, but I agree 100% you need to listen and you need to very carefully A-B. You can have placebo you can be mislead but that's true of anything, the measurements show potential problems but the correlation with what you hear isnt good enough to solve any problems. Plenty written about phsyco acoustics and measurements , Mr Toole, Harmon etc. We do listen to everything with 'distortion' and phase in any room, we are clever enough to hear through the room and know and understand the room and prefer to have what we are used to not an anachoic chamber. I like to adjust for some things but usually less is more with EQ and DSP
" I am starting to wonder if there is a need for a 700 pound Magico in my room - Jay " .......... actually for the extreme majority of folks - no - there is not a need for such a speaker - there are other more modest designs which make more sense for all but the largest listening rooms ,,,,,, if fact you can very easily overload a room with too big a speaker and it will actually sound worse then a smaller speaker .
hi Jay
those are words of wisdom you have spoken, there is a lot of rubbish wisdom in the Audio world. I'm glad you punctured this hot air balloon. I enjoyed your review of these PS FR 5 speakers. thank you for this beautiful journey, and look forward to the sequel.
love from the Netherlands ❤️👍
Thanks for that
Jay, thanks for the review! The biggest con I have about these speakers is that they look CHEAP! If I were to base the price on looks alone I would estimate their worth at around $1,200 not $3,500. It wouldn’t matter how great they sounded or what sonic party trick they could pull off. I’m probably spoiled being that I own a pair of TAD CR1’s with those gorgeous Pammele Sapele wood cabinets.Ahhh…their majesty caresses the eyes and ears.
I would like just to listen to my awesome music and just forget that time is passing by. That’s what I would want in my stereo gear. Then I can concentrate on making my paintings.
Makes sense
Yes Jay, measurements it's for beginners in High-end.. My opinion . BR
Soundstage,imaging and other such descriptions are in the recordings not the speakers or electronics. All we're asking of the equipment is to distort or break up due to excessive volume.
Edit: not distort
Hi Jay. Do you have any plans to review any speakers from Legacy Audio in the future?
Nope
I’ve never seen or heard the FR5 in person, that said I completely agree with your comment on fit-finish. Unfortunately it appears common to all PSA Aspen lineup. The FR30 & 20 are spectacular sounding speakers. The fit and finish do not match the sound quality. These would never be allowed in our home due to their fit & finish, looks more like something I’d find with an Ikea tag on them. Paul and Chris MUST improve the cabinet finish if they want to be a serious speaker manufacturer in marketplace
soo right, Jay you are one of te best . super thanks
You're very welcome
Do you know why some people measure speakers? Well to find out of changes to the crossover made any effect . If you have a speaker that has a real nasty dip to let's say at 1 Ohm and you want to get rid of that (to be able to drive it ) You might wanna do this by tweaking the crossover . to be sure it works you want to measure the results..
There's grafic picture that explains what the different things we describe is located on the response, both up and down. And I think most people will pick out.. say 2-3dB.
So I listen, look and measure. Sometimes it's off a little but I don't feel it's bad so I leave it alone (or try for a while and turn it back if I don't notice anything.
I'm running fully active speakers so I can easily iron out the curve flat to the last detail, that however does not sound good when I have tried it.
And yeah, it's convenient for measurements on acoustic treatments and a few other things, it's a tool and nothing more.
I remember when I really started in this hobby. Was looking for a system for “home theater” for my living room tv. I didn’t want one of those in a box systems. I ended up with psb speakers, front and rear, I assume a center channel, and I can’t remember if I had a sub, and a Sony receiver. I was listening one evening to an episode of Law and Order, and I kept hearing police radios, I thought in the open area of my townhomes. I keep looking out the windows for them. Near the end of the show, I realized it was the sound from the crime scenes on the tv. Has never heard them before on the built in speakers from the tv. After that I was hooked. Later I had a home theater system with Vandersteen speakers, subs, and Theta Digital hardware. The first time I watched master and commander, two of my nieces were with me. We all jumped at the first cannon fire. I’d sit and listen to the Eagles and Pink Floyd for hours on end, it was so moving.
Jay, thanks for the review. I’d heard 5 or 6 reviews of the FR5s so far and all were based on how they sounded - all ratings were better-than-average to great. I recently came across a review of them that gave a mediocre rating, but went into the whole measurements thing. This same person semi-trashed another speaker that had gotten decent reviews after measuring it as well. They picked apart what the speakers didn’t do, then used a graph to explain it. When I test components, I use the only tools I need - my ears. Keep up the great work.
Bingo
are these available in any color besides White ,,,,, ?
Black too
I know a guy that could hear I used the wrong crossover frequencies for my bookshelf speakers, and he was right about it. He works on airplane electronics and vintage amplifiers.
Thanks 👍
No problem 👍
An interesting comparison would be with the Alta audio Alyssa
Thank's Jay!
But it must be said that large, powerful speakers scale dynamics very well, which makes the realism even more convincing. And I don't mean just the bass. Additionally, the mass of sound and its physical sensation.
Myself a new sub ! - But I dig the no Bull-Shite way you come across !! - Thank You
Thanks 🙏
Nicely done sir!
It would be very interesting if you could get some UK made Alchris Audio speakers to try... Just a thought .
Happy listening ans best wishes from Scotland.🏴
Jim🏴🙂
Maybe one day!