@@yogajedi3337 Thank you for your answer! Well, in some countries, like The Netherlands, cycling sure is an alternative for the car. Because the distances in The Netherlands are relatively short and many people travel some 10 kms/6 miles one way. For many Dutchies that is an easy distance to cycle. But I agree with you that cycling sometimes is a substitute for public transport or walk...
@@marcvanderwee Bikers rarely travel further distance than 3-5 km. In cities you hardly can park a car at work site and if you do it will become very expensive. In Stockholm very few replace the car with bike. Bike is faster and cheaper than public transport and that is the main reason people use it. In winter time +80% skip the bike and start commuting public transport again. The NL is not representative for most cities. For example Stockholm is much hillier and not easy ride, especially in winter it's a pain..
The propaganda that the Danes have successfully marketed has led many people to believe that Copenhagen & Denmark is the benchmark in city cycling design. One trip around Denmark & then the Netherlands you quickly realise the Dutch are light years ahead.
Nice video & blog... Cycling, Copenhagen, Hitchcock! Funny how marketing focuses on successes, while the foreign eye sees the typical bodges and the outdated average elements. Meanwhile the Dutch railway stations will get an extra 25,000 bicycle parking spaces. 53 Parking lots and 15 cycle routes will be improved or newly build. The Dutch already cycle 15.5 billion kilometers a year, but the government invests € 345 million to stimulate 200.000 commuters more to take up cycling.
Copengagen has an asset you could never buy or build - no hills. It's amazing how you can drive on a "flat" road in the UK and it's only when you try cycling it that you realise how steep it is!
@@edipires15 you haven't seen the hill i live on! I had an ebike during lockdown and yes, it did make uphill doable but you still have to work and it's still scary AF going down. In an area of moderate hills the only excuse left is the price. A mid priced ebike is two grand. Gee, you can buy a 125cc for that!
@@barnbersonol I suppose that with a 125cc you have to have a license, insure it, put petrol, etc whereas with an ebike you only have to worry about the price. And about “still having to work”: that’s what you’re supposed to do, even with a ebike. I also live in a place with steep hills. Since the introduction ebikes I see more people cycling those hills. The only thing people lack is proper biking infrastructure like in the Netherlands.
What do you mean? Compared to most cities in the Netherlands, cities in Denmark have way more hilly terrain, which is in fact on of the oft-omitted points of difference between the two and their inevitable differences in needs because of it.
this is absolutely not true copenhagen has many hills and some are quite dificult to climb on a bike. i live here and take a certain route home to avoid a hill i dont like
Love how developed countries like Denmark and Netherland are resorting to more traditional way of transportation. And people dont mind getting on their bike even if they seem able to buy a car (i even heard that the prince of Danish ride his sons to school with cargo-bike). Sadly, in third world country like Indonesia, car's still being seen as symbol of status..
In the Netherlands our prime minister comes to work on his bicycle every day. In cities in the Netherlands the bike usually is the fastest way to get around.
its really important to start discussing that. ask your family and friends if they ever feel safe walking or cycling anywhere, and make them consider how much space is actually being given up to adhere to cars. In the Netherlands, cars are sadly also still a symbol of status, but at least we made sure they cannot get everywhere at all times anymore!
Cars are symbols of status everywhere, but in these country cycling doesn't mean symbol of low status, that is the difference. And like most people that cycles there also have a car, it is completely fine for their status
Many people really don't know what they are talking about. Copenhagen this and Copenhagen that. When you see a lot of people on bicycle does not mean you are bicycle city or country Nr1. You need more then that. Come visit Holland for a certain time and I Don't mean Amsterdam then you gonna see what a country is like for bicycles.God bless you all...
Tampa is not only the most dangerous city in America for pedestrians and cyclists, it's nearly against the law to cycle on the roads as it is considered obstructing the all important motor traffic.
When comparing Danish and Dutch cycling facilities you can clearly see that the Dutch design is clearly superior. Not only is there a lack of protection space between motor traffic and people cycling, copenhagen also seems to be the only "cycling city" in Denmark. All other cities I've visited have okay but not superior cycling infrastructure (it's comparable to good German cycling cities). Netherland on the other hand is a cycling country. Here almost every city has very good cycling infrastructure. Amsterdam isn't the only cycling city, Utrecht or Groningen are also very well. Plus, in Copenhagen cycle paths seem to be wide but since they have no protection space, they really are often just good middle ground. And often space for cycle path is taken from footpaths, sometimes I walked on the street since there wasn't space for three people. I love Copenhagen and I feel very comfortable cycling there (it's definitly better than e.g. Berlin). But I wouldn't call it a world class cycling city.
Great critique for sure. Especially the parking isn't as well thought out as it should be. It should take center stage. Especially at stations, it often seem too secondary for my taste. Best regards, from Denmark.
Not that I dislike my country, but it's way better than British infrastructure. My city has made a lot of progress in cycle lanes, and I can cycle to and from certain places entirely on the lane network; but while it looks newer and better protected, it's quite messy compared to Denmark, and works entirely around the environment. I know I would love cycling in København (I love Scandinavia in general).
May be a lot of people in city councils take Copenhagen as the example because it is easier to sell to the politicians. There are a lot of space for cars etc. So it is a good middle ground if Dutch levels are too inconceivable for a car-brained society.
My! I thought Copenhagen was a pedestrians' heaven! But there's overwhelming and dangerous bicycle and car traffic there! Although the environment has become less polluted and riders have gained better cardiovascular health, pedestrians have become the losers here because they have to be extremely cautious when walking on the sidewalks or crossing the streets! Therefore, traffic authorities will probably have to assign some streets to pedestrians and bicycle traffic and some to car traffic! Sidewalks should strictly be for pedestrians and the pavement (roadways) for bicycles! Now, the number of cars driven a week should be limited to 1/4 of the total! That'd force car drivers to ride their bikes or use public transportation! Finally, massive bicycle parking is essential for the system to work properly! Thus, Denmark has made a huge, exemplary effort to humanize traffic and improve the environment, but there's still a lot of work to be done! Thanks for sharing! ☘️🇩🇰☘️
I can always appreciate a good old pissing competition between the Dutch and the Danes, like the one that I expect to find in this comment section. I'll take a deep breath.... Here we go!
I’m just visiting Copenhagen on a weekend trip. Not sure how the visit Copenhagen website says it’s the best city in the world for cycling. Compared to the Netherlands it’s way behind
Some of it is constructive, but that's the same stuff Danes have complaining about for years. Other stuff is not really constructive, since there is nothing to construct from it. Denmark is way less population dense, and the geography is also different that most of the Netherlands, so comparing infrastructure designed and fit for two quite different purposes is a bit pointless.
Isn't it possible to take a bicycle on the train for free in Denmark? If that's true, that's quite a nice infrastructural thing the Danes have that the Dutch don't. €7 per day in NL
It's free on the S-trains around Copenhagen, and there are also no rush-hour restrictions. This is probably my only complaint in regards to cycling in the Netherlands. But you also have to understand that there are more cyclists here than in Denmark, and more arriving with bikes to train stations (27% Danes vs. 50% Dutch). They could do a better job with providing more space on the trains, but there will always be space issues even then. It's €6.2 per day, but point taken.
Interesting point you make about the numbers arriving with bikes at the train station in both countries@@tetrabeetle8630 . The trains in NL are already over full with passengers (during rush hour).
@@rebeccaalbrecht771True, I'm a Brompton rider in Rotterdam. I have also lived in Antwerp, Utrecht and Amsterdam in the last few years. Antwerp people seem even more crazy about the folding bikes!
Hah, our Dutchman is a little envious or wanting to take away the popularity of cycling in Copenhagen? Have never seen that many small and insignificant criticism of cycling in that city as in this video. And that last comment - simply the best 😂 Hope he's happy now.
With this crazy high cycling adoption, wondering how many bike shops there are; I would expect a lot, and hopefully many local shops - not big chain stores. (No pun intended). Quick web search turned up Wikipedia page that says there are almost 300 bike shops in Copenhagen.
please do cycling in kuala lumpur supposedly having the second best bicycling infrastructure in whole of asia after tokyo but it is also supposedly to be very poor compared to all of europe
Hello & thank you for showing us your perspective. Non-constructive criticism here ; 1. With the amount of the depressive negativity u emitted here we srlsy doubt u Dutch... man u Belgian. 2. You have blatantly exposed yourself as nationalist (not that all ppl think it bad) not going into depth of other ppl's achievements just thinking about promoting whats dear to you. 3. Copenhagen is one of the oldest cities in Europe with as a result very narrow streets and tight spaces in the inner city. It wasn´t until the 80´s there was really focus on bicycle paths and then the only option was stepped in most parts of the city. There simply wasn´t physical space for protected paths. The unprotected paths you show in the vid are from the inner city. In a lot of the newer built areas there are protected paths. 4. The so-called narrow path shown 1:41 is one of the only of that size in the entire city. 5. The “huge intersection” is a 5-road intersection smack up against a historical and protected area that prevents a lot of creative traffic ideas. Besides that, it has been going through multiple changes over the last 100 years including as a full round-about. 6. We don´t really get the “unprotected” when waiting while turning left - unprotected from what? Ze Germans?!? 5 year olds understand traffic rules here and the biggest cause for serious accidents to bicyclists in Copenhagen are truck-drivers from Central Europe right-turning on them with out paying attention after driving and not sleeping for 20+ hours... Being “unprotected” is not whats making the people cross UNLAWFULLY at 2:26 That is simply them not wanting to wait for the lights to change and taking a short cut - one with a child in the bike even... :( It is an offense that is punishable with an about 100 euro fine. 7. Toughed this a bit before but the asfalt ramps are not a choice of design but a choice of need due to the history of the city. In newer developed parts there are often dropped curbs, recessed drains etc. 8. The “poor bridge design” is a world famous architectural failure and is not as such related to bicycling in Copenhagen. 9. Your example of bad parking is taken from Nørreport Station which is one of the busiest stations in Denmark 10. Most people living in inner Copenhagen have the option of indoor parking in bicycle basements, in what used to be old coal and coak storage rooms. Many work places also offer indoor parking. Are you expecting to park your iron steed indoors when shopping at the local shop? 11. 3:53 “Leading to bikes parked...” exemplary! In Copenhagen most pedestrian pavements are traditionally designed with two rows of tiles for pedestrians and an area towards the facade of the building for eg. parking bikes or placing shop signs. Your example shows how respectful bike owners park here.
1. Mark is Dutch 2. Mark promotes best case design. If that happens to be in another country he’ll say it. Reality is though that in many cases The Netherlands are ahead in many facets of bicycle infrastructure design. 3. Dutch cities like Amsterdam are roughly the same age as Copenhagen with similar issues in 70s & 80s so not much difference there. 4. Fair enough 👍 5. There are many examples in The Netherlands of dealing with large intersections such as the one you mentioned in a smarter way. 6. The Copenhagen intersection looks 2nd rate from a Dutch standard. It’s good... but could be improved. ruclips.net/video/FR5l48_h5Eo/видео.html 7. Looks like cheap and lazy infrastructure fixes that create an unpleasant experience to me. From a Dutch point of view this would be flagged for fixing and replaced with a smoother ramp. 8. If it’s got a bike path on it and is designed to be used by bikes then it is ‘related to bicycling in Copenhagen.’ Every link is related. 9. Ever more the reason to improve it then! 10. For shopping at your local shop then obviously you park as close to the shop as you can. Many people use the bike as a commuting tool and the city centres in many Dutch cities have indoor cycle park station to improve security of expensive bikes, improve visual aspects of street scenes & protect bikes from the elements. Mark is obviously saying that Copenhagen could probably use some more public indoor bike stations to help with the obvious parking issues that seem to be not adequately catered for. 11. Bikes leaning up against glass and shop fronts probably are acceptable in Copenhagen but from a Dutch perspective this would be seen as a potential hazard and therefore for formal bike parking racks to keep things organised are common place. Having said that, bikes are often parked like this in Amsterdam too but the city council is always working to improve this issue. I live in Sydney and would love to have what you have in Copenhagen... it’s far superior to what we have in Australia. But if you want to compare the 2 best countries to cycle in, The Netherlands takes the prize for the smartest integrated bicycle infrastructure design & we should definitely pay close attention to how the Dutch became the # 1 cycling country if we are going to improve our world. 😁👍
Your #1 point is strange. What makes you think Mark is Belgian for being so direct and to the point? Have you met many Dutch and Belgians? Since I live and work in the very southwest of the Netherlands, many of my colleagues are Flemish. Most foreigners who are not familiar with the two countries just assume they are the same since they speak the same language. I also use to think that, but have since realized the two are actually very different in so many ways. Dutch people are VERY direct and quite outgoing (compared to other Northern Europeans) while Belgians are quite reserved (not unlike most Danish people) and hold back their opinions. If I knew nothing about Mark or his blog but were to randomly read a few, I would have concluded that he was Dutch from his tone of voice and opinions on things. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptions in either countries, but the few exceptions don't tend to define the dominant culture of a country. You could make the case that perhaps Mark has some biases. He is Dutch after all, so fair enough. But I'm neither Dutch nor Danish and have spent a lot of time cycling in/around Cph and in many Dutch towns and cities. I agree with all of his critiques on the Danish system and I believe the Dutch one is superior in almost all ways. And Cph is probably my most favorite city in the world, so if I would be biased about cycling infrastructure, it would be in favor of the Danish one.
Regarding all of the "unprotected bicycling", this is how I see it: If you can't handle being 1M away from traffic, then don't go to any big city. That's simply how it is :D
But it is not how it has to be. And it is not how it is in many big cities in The Netherlands. See, among others: ruclips.net/video/Boi0XEm9-4E/видео.html .Utrecht ruclips.net/video/fv38J7SKH_g/видео.html .Groningen ruclips.net/video/HrI4Sv0djY4/видео.html .Rotterdam. Netherlands most car centric city. ruclips.net/video/gjLZv3Y0CWM/видео.html .Nijmegen ruclips.net/video/DKbRL6Opifg/видео.html .Amsterdam ruclips.net/video/vVDBaShjWqw/видео.html .Den Haag ruclips.net/video/yo7pntB5uvc/видео.html .Maastricht
@@magnushmann Suppose I simply say and claim: "A unidirectional cycle path on either side of a road just isn't as safe, reliable and handy as bidirectional paths. " Then what would your next responsive question be? It is that same responsive question I ask you.
@@wimahlers Bidirectional is fine if the route isn't shared traffic with road vehicles. But it's not considered best practice for a reason. Not in the Netherlands either.
@@magnushmann But that is a nonexisting problem. To my knowledge, there is not a single bidirectional cycle path in The Netherlands that is shared with road vehicles.
@Sercarano T Sure, but they are not vulnerable when they are waiting on the corner. They are vulnerable when going straight in an intersection and cars are turning right. Who is going to run those cyclists over. The cars that are waiting behind them at the red light or the moving cars who for some mysterious reason is aiming for the corner of the intersection. If that was the case, then you needed concrete barriers everywhere. Luckily, that's not the case.
The bridge has a very smart and innovative design. So smart and innovative that it took a couple of years more than expected to get it to work. You see, when the bridge needs to open to let through a ship, one section retracts into the slot between the pedestrian's part and the bicycle path. Why use the tried and true methods when something new is so much less convenient?
I've spend half my live in the Netherlands (born and raised) and the second half of my life in the U.S. I was going to say initially that it is very hard to compare the U.S with Europe in so many ways. On second thought though, I think you might be right. Infrastructure is something that a well run government can provide. I love the U.S. I do think unfortunately, it does not have a functioning government. There is still plenty left to love though.
@@marcg.3333 well said. That doesn't mean we can't aspire to make things better. The defeat of Prop 6 shows that there is hope of positive change. Downtown Los Angeles has seen many improvements. We still have a long way to catch up.
@@WmCRobison Absolutely. My ideal would be a mix of the U.S and the Netherlands! Both countries (all countries) could learn from each other in different areas. I hope to visit L.A one day. Best of luck!
Wow, each bike equals one car less on the streets and in the parking. Having all those bikers in cars would turn into nightmare traffic. Well done, Denmark!
@@EntropyKC Very few bicycle longer distance then 3-5 km, at least where I live, people very seldom use car within inside the city, town but normally use public transport or walk the distance.
This is a very useful video for those of us trying to push for not just cycle lanes but better quality cycle lanes. In the UK and Australia, even when they make a huge improvement over nothing and create a protected cycleway, they nearly always get these little details wrong. 45 degree kerbs, sharp turns when they could be curved, protection that gives up at intersections, stepped tracks mere centimetres from motor traffic, not enough cycle parking. Don't just copy the Danes because they have better infrastructure than us. Copy the Dutch because they have better infrastructure than the Danes.
Just reposting a comment: This video is about the quality itself. So, I think Mark should have titled it 'Quality of Cycling in Copenhagen'. Though when you think about inspiration both countries provide to the wider world, it gets complicated, as explained in this series: robertweetman.wordpress.com/2017/11/04/amsterdam-vs-copenhagen-part-1/ Read more
At the end of the video he should just say what he is probably thinking..........”I don’t think you can say that cycling here is superior to the Netherlands!”
@@kylehagertybanana Why do you call Tannawannavannabit Tannawannavannabit a dummy? Especially as he is every bit right: nowhere does Bicycle Dutch literally say that Danish cycling in not superior to Dutch cycling. What he says is "I don't think you can say that cycling in Copenhagen is superior to cycling in some other places in the world". That's literally what he says, so where did you find a mention of the Netherlands, dummy? Tannawannavannabit Tannawannavannabit's remark about the implied message is 100% right.
Nice to see a different perspective on this. I have followed Mikael Colville-Andersen for well over a decade now and he has always painted Copenhagen as a near perfect city for cycling.
The dutch standards bring with them other problems that Denmark then avoids. Remember, although similar in many ways, the Netherlands and Denmark are two different countries with different starting points and needs. Examples are population, population density and geography.
We have it pretty good. Most of the arguments in the video focus on the personal experience of a novice cyclist, such as being confused in traffic, scared near cars or impatient to turn left on a crossroad. All of these things are normal and come with time and practice. He does, however raise a good point - there are way too many cars, and we should invest more into cycling infrastructure, to encourage people even more.
@@Patrick94GSR That might look bad, but as Danish drivers and passengers in cars are used to deal with cyclists, you might be sure they look whether a (number of) cyclist(s) is coming before opening the door... Like in the Netherlands there is no war between drivers and cyclists in Denmark.
@@marcvanderwee all it takes is one person from out of town who isn't used to the Danish way of doing things, and it can end up being a very bad day for an unlucky cyclist.
I noticed that too. I have been watching videos out of Copenhagen for years, and in most you see just a few people in helmets, normally the sporty types. This could be a problem long term for getting people to ride if it's perceived as dangerous.
Really interesting video, thanks for that. One thing I can say as a Dane living in Nijmegen that for sure is way better in Denmark though: the relative absence of bicycle theft. In The Netherlands people seem to get their bikes stolen constantly (especially in the Randstad) and as a consequence people have to carry around enormous bike locks, and buy really crappy bikes, whereas in Copenhagen you can have a pretty nice bike for years without it getting stolen.
From what my Dutch friends tell me, aside from the petty/opportunistic bicycle theft by a minority of locals, much of this is part of underground, organized crime rings that specialize in bicycle theft, often by driving around with vans to steal as many bikes as possible and take them over to eastern/southeastern Europe. Perhaps this has not yet permeated into Danish society by and large. I also noticed that most people in the city of Copenhagen just use the wheel lock for overnight and longer-term storage. This would never be advisable in the medium or larger Dutch cities, or even rural train stations. It's usually very safe in smaller Dutch towns and villages, unless one of these vans happens to come by and scoop up all the bikes not attached to a physical object. It's very unfortunate that the theft is so high in the Netherlands. Even still, I just leave my 2nd bike (old omafiets) outside my flat with the wheel lock. I would need to park it 50 meters away to be able to lock it to something, and that's too much trouble :)
You might be right about that (I don't have any idea about the theft problem in København) and it is of course a good thing. But is has nothing to do with the cycle infra... But what @Tetrabeetle already mentioned, a lot of stolen bicycles are shipped to different countries. But it also happens here that a bicycle is stolen just for having free transport, e.g. from a train station to a nearby town, or a sailor who returns to his ship and leaves to his next destination.
Do not forget that the Netherlands have almost the inhabitants of Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Danmark together. And bicycling is all over the country while in Danmark Copenhagen stands out. Small crime is far more common place in the Netherlands, regrettable but true.
@@edsonbarbosa4978 And Odense has the Hans Christiaan Andersen 'borough' near the train station! When you walk there it is just like you step straight into a fairytale!
Excellent video. It accurately describes my experience cycling in Copenhagen. All and all it's a fantastic city for bikes, but there is still much room for improvement, as is so well described in the video. The main issue, in my opinion, is the fact that cars are an extremely dominant feature in the city, even in central high-dense areas. Amsterdam just feels more "owned" by cyclists than Copenhagen does. That might be why you see a lot more people cycling with helmets in Copenhagen. One thing I disagree on with the video is parking, which I found to be a bit more convenient in relatively spacious Copenhagen than in the super highly dense Amsterdam. In any case, compared to any other world-city I've been to, Copenhagen is a cycling paradise.
I am danish, and I agree with all your points about DK cycling. Especially those pesky little asphalt bumps! :-) I am going to Amsterdam in April and looks forward to renting a bike there and cycle around the beautiful city.
I have never seen those "bumps" as anything near being pesky nor are they, as said in the video, especially steep. And as they tend to be where a side road leads on to a bigger road, they are often where you would slow down anyway navigating it really not a problem. Also with regards to the bike lanes directly adjacent to a road with cars, since drivers all know about bike lanes it also works well. Space is premium, since Copenhagen keeps growing and many houses are centuries old it means sometimes there just isn't room to divide traffic even more.
This is so refreshing to see. In my town, most cyclists ride on the sidewalks, which is annoying as a pedestrian. I would like to begin riding my bike but at this moment all our trails are closed due to the pandemic and I definitely don't want to ride on the busy roads with limited space to ride and especially not sidewalks. I'm going to have to figure something out but it doesn't look very bicycle friendly here on the surface compared to places in Europe.
I wish I could ride my bike to work here in the US. It is only about 5 miles but there are no bike lanes and little to no shoulder on the road to get there. Once I get to the airport where I work, there are 2 tunnels, one that goes under a runway and the other one that goes under a taxi way. There are signs at the entrance of these tunnels that ban the use to bikes through them.
Been living in both, Amsterdam (2 years) and Copenhagen (3 years). You are right about all you sad, cycling system is better in the NL, BUT (and this is something very, very subjective to me!) I got my bike stolen in Amsterdam 3 times, and not once in Cph.
Copenhagen has already declared itself the best bicycle city in the world and therefore sees no reason to improve anything. It's a typical Danish mentality (and I say this as a Dane myself) to announce your city or country as the best in the world at something so you can pat yourself on the back over it, and of course avoid spending money to get better at it.
I use to ride my bike to work and ride my bike home. It was 3 miles and everyone thought I was nuts but I loved it. I live in the USA and they don’t ride bikes.
This guy is some sort of Dutch bicycle evangelist. Look him up, he clearly has a conflict of interest in trying to make an objective video about Copenhagen. He's been ranting against Copenhagen in his blogs too. Absolutely seething with rage that anyone dares find Copenhagen nicer to bike in than his precious NL.
Ralph Macchiato he also constantly says “countries like the Netherlands and Sweden” when referring to good road design -but never Denmark, which would have been a more obvious example. Living in Sweden close to Copenhagen I’m very confused by this. The bike lanes here are far worse and less consistent. I think he is just angry with the rankings. The biking system is not perfect in Copenhagen, but it’s far better than he gives it credit for and not very different from a Dutch system (I’ve only biked in and around Amsterdam). If the system was SO bad and unsafe, why is it then used by just as high a share of the inhabitants as in Amsterdam, and why does Amsterdam have slightly more accidents? It simply does not add up. Copenhagen is definitely not superior, but this way of just looking for flaws is ridiculous. I could also for sure find 1 bike lane in the Amsterdam that I believed was two narrow for two way traffic or bike lanes, where I could get a shot with a truck and say that it is unsafe. If you are looking for flaws you will find them...
A lot of the comments under this video joining in on the critique of biking infrastructure of Denmark seems to be mainly people used to the dutch way of doing things, surprised and angered that there are other ways of doing it, that work fine or just as well. It's just not what they in particular are used to. Well no shit lol.
In year 1900. CPH. was known as the European Capitol of Cyclist, 70, 80, and 90, was a dark period, stand still, no cycle budget, but then something happends, the cycle budget rapidly grow, and dobbled many times, and lot of progress happends. So CPH came back on the track, and is still the Cycle-Capitol. Cycle infra structure, has now become standard in most modern cities, Holland is about the size of Jutland, and is three times as many, so in general, it might be the most developed Cycle Country. Lot of good improvement is realized since the video, and thousands of trees.
Maybe not perfect, but still better than my town (Prato, Italia) or other bigger cities here in Italy.. Been there and in the Netherlands several times.. It's a completely different world
Pieter Kuiper I heard Odense is pretty good as well. Read a few articles suggesting it is safer than Copenhagen, due to it being a smaller city ( less traffic etc ). As a result it's supposedly safer for children to cycle there than in Copenhagen. Do you know anything of cycling there or is it really just as bad?
It's actually better most places *other* than Copenhagen. And Copenhagen, although definitely having faults isn't a bad as this video might lead you to believe.
It’s surprising to see how close the bikes are to the vehicles in several of these scenes! I thought the scooters in the bike lanes here in Amsterdam were bad. :-)
It is like that because its a small city, in my land, cities are so big! If u get a bike, it would take you like 3 or 4 ahours to arrive to your job. Plus struggling with the chaos trafic… Im talikng about Lima, in Peru 😭
In 2017 206 people died in a cycling accident in the Netherlands. 57 of them on an E-bike and more than three-quarters of those 57 people were over the age of 65. The Dutch are cycling about 15 BILLION kilometers a year in total. Yes that's 15.000.000.000 kilometer or 9.300.000.000 Miles , so "only" 206 fatalities is still 206 to much, but not that bad. I don't know the numbers of Denmark, but Google will help you with that.
@@martijnvv8031 According to google 183 deaths in Denmark for 2017. Yes Denmark has a smaller population than Netherlands, also less density, but with a worst cycling infrastructure than Netherlands they have less fatalities. As a foreigner to both countries, I felt safer riding the bike in Copenhagen than in The Hague.
@@calinutzzz I understand, The Hague is very backwards in cycling infrastructure.....it was good but they turned the clock back..... See the video at this channel from some weeks ago about The Hague.
"When so many people cycle in your city you're obviously doing something right" haha more like public transport is so expensive in Copenhagen you have no choice but to cycle
Oh ok....If you see one-day Salcano or Carraro you will know those bikes made of Turkey.. Mean while web pages are www. salcano .com or carrarobisiklet.com
Of course thay can! The only differnce is they wear rain coats/clothes, and people who wear 'normal' clothes get wet... Can be nice, to see a beautiful girl/woman in wetlook... ;-)
Copenhagenize is a (semi-gov ? ..) marketing/PR tool intended to show Copenhagen as 'best'. It's Bike friendly city Index is an absolute joke. The criteria are designed to put CPH on top. And even then they have manipulated data like 'modal bike share' to give a better statistical figure.
@@coldane2 I doubt if you ever looked into the CPH city index's bogus critereria. This video makes quite clear what's lacking in CPH for bikes. I don't bother that CPH uses a subpar junction design like at 2:15 but it's not something to boast about. Why claims Copenhagenize a 'busiest bicycle junction' of 36k per day, where it is in reality only 10k bikes ( per day average, measured over a 5 month period)? (www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2011/01/busiest-cycle-street-in-world.html ) Your fellow Copenhageners show how bikefriendly the city is , in the number of young adults wearing helmets on city bikes.
@@allws9683 And the guy who made this video is a Dutch bicycle marketing/PR guy. He's extremely biased and only highlights the worst of Copenhagen and best of NL.
@@peetaaJP Biased? I would say that Mark is one of the more dry and factual vloggers on YT. In this vlog he gives enough pro's about CPH. You will find him also quite critical about Dutch places, but not so often since 90% of the Netherlands has better facilities for cycling than Copenhagen.. (That's not a bias as I have been multiple times to the city ;-).
Interesting twist. What makes good bicycle infrastructure? How do we meassure it. Clearly more fatal accidents in Amsterdam than Copenhagen per cyclist - by a margin. Hmmm. Better or worse to be cycling there?
3.34: 'Parked bicycles take a lot of space'. Imagine how much space it will take when all these bicycles are cars!
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Bicycle is not a substitute for car but for public transport or a walk.
@@yogajedi3337 Thank you for your answer! Well, in some countries, like The Netherlands, cycling sure is an alternative for the car. Because the distances in The Netherlands are relatively short and many people travel some 10 kms/6 miles one way. For many Dutchies that is an easy distance to cycle. But I agree with you that cycling sometimes is a substitute for public transport or walk...
@@marcvanderwee Bikers rarely travel further distance than 3-5 km. In cities you hardly can park a car at work site and if you do it will become very expensive. In Stockholm very few replace the car with bike. Bike is faster and cheaper than public transport and that is the main reason people use it. In winter time +80% skip the bike and start commuting public transport again. The NL is not representative for most cities. For example Stockholm is much hillier and not easy ride, especially in winter it's a pain..
Compared to Chicago, where I currently live, this is paradise!
The propaganda that the Danes have successfully marketed has led many people to believe that Copenhagen & Denmark is the benchmark in city cycling design. One trip around Denmark & then the Netherlands you quickly realise the Dutch are light years ahead.
Paul van Bellen How come light years ahead? You got flying bikes or bikelanes where you dont need to padle🤷♂️ Merry christmas🎄
2200bronx if you want to learn why the Netherlands is the #1 cycling country watch Bicycle Dutch videos. Merry Xmas to you too!
Paul van Bellen i know you are better than Copenhagen, but light years, you are not😉
2200bronx ha ha I stand by my comments
Your name sounds like you are from Holland...
Nice video & blog... Cycling, Copenhagen, Hitchcock!
Funny how marketing focuses on successes, while the foreign eye sees the typical bodges and the outdated average elements. Meanwhile the Dutch railway stations will get an extra 25,000 bicycle parking spaces. 53 Parking lots and 15 cycle routes will be improved or newly build. The Dutch already cycle 15.5 billion kilometers a year, but the government invests € 345 million to stimulate 200.000 commuters more to take up cycling.
Copengagen has an asset you could never buy or build - no hills. It's amazing how you can drive on a "flat" road in the UK and it's only when you try cycling it that you realise how steep it is!
That’s no longer an excuse when you can buy ebikes
@@edipires15 you haven't seen the hill i live on! I had an ebike during lockdown and yes, it did make uphill doable but you still have to work and it's still scary AF going down. In an area of moderate hills the only excuse left is the price. A mid priced ebike is two grand. Gee, you can buy a 125cc for that!
@@barnbersonol I suppose that with a 125cc you have to have a license, insure it, put petrol, etc whereas with an ebike you only have to worry about the price. And about “still having to work”: that’s what you’re supposed to do, even with a ebike. I also live in a place with steep hills. Since the introduction ebikes I see more people cycling those hills. The only thing people lack is proper biking infrastructure like in the Netherlands.
What do you mean? Compared to most cities in the Netherlands, cities in Denmark have way more hilly terrain, which is in fact on of the oft-omitted points of difference between the two and their inevitable differences in needs because of it.
this is absolutely not true copenhagen has many hills and some are quite dificult to climb on a bike. i live here and take a certain route home to avoid a hill i dont like
Love how developed countries like Denmark and Netherland are resorting to more traditional way of transportation. And people dont mind getting on their bike even if they seem able to buy a car (i even heard that the prince of Danish ride his sons to school with cargo-bike).
Sadly, in third world country like Indonesia, car's still being seen as symbol of status..
In the Netherlands our prime minister comes to work on his bicycle every day. In cities in the Netherlands the bike usually is the fastest way to get around.
its really important to start discussing that. ask your family and friends if they ever feel safe walking or cycling anywhere, and make them consider how much space is actually being given up to adhere to cars. In the Netherlands, cars are sadly also still a symbol of status, but at least we made sure they cannot get everywhere at all times anymore!
Same in Brazil
Same in KZ
Cars are symbols of status everywhere, but in these country cycling doesn't mean symbol of low status, that is the difference.
And like most people that cycles there also have a car, it is completely fine for their status
Far better than the UK, but not as good as Netherlands.
A lot better than Netherlands.
@@billigmad3720 no
Billig Mad, that is just a mad statement haha.
Many people really don't know what they are talking about. Copenhagen this and Copenhagen that. When you see a lot of people on bicycle does not mean you are bicycle city or country Nr1. You need more then that. Come visit Holland for a certain time and I Don't mean Amsterdam then you gonna see what a country is like for bicycles.God bless you all...
Typical Dutch frustration.
Judging on how many bicycles the Dutch pull out of canals each year, I would say Copenhagen is more bike friendly.
Still better than orlando 😂 but cycling in the netherlands is best
Tampa is not only the most dangerous city in America for pedestrians and cyclists, it's nearly against the law to cycle on the roads as it is considered obstructing the all important motor traffic.
When comparing Danish and Dutch cycling facilities you can clearly see that the Dutch design is clearly superior. Not only is there a lack of protection space between motor traffic and people cycling, copenhagen also seems to be the only "cycling city" in Denmark. All other cities I've visited have okay but not superior cycling infrastructure (it's comparable to good German cycling cities). Netherland on the other hand is a cycling country. Here almost every city has very good cycling infrastructure. Amsterdam isn't the only cycling city, Utrecht or Groningen are also very well. Plus, in Copenhagen cycle paths seem to be wide but since they have no protection space, they really are often just good middle ground. And often space for cycle path is taken from footpaths, sometimes I walked on the street since there wasn't space for three people. I love Copenhagen and I feel very comfortable cycling there (it's definitly better than e.g. Berlin). But I wouldn't call it a world class cycling city.
Great critique for sure. Especially the parking isn't as well thought out as it should be. It should take center stage. Especially at stations, it often seem too secondary for my taste.
Best regards, from Denmark.
Not that I dislike my country, but it's way better than British infrastructure. My city has made a lot of progress in cycle lanes, and I can cycle to and from certain places entirely on the lane network; but while it looks newer and better protected, it's quite messy compared to Denmark, and works entirely around the environment. I know I would love cycling in København (I love Scandinavia in general).
May be a lot of people in city councils take Copenhagen as the example because it is easier to sell to the politicians. There are a lot of space for cars etc. So it is a good middle ground if Dutch levels are too inconceivable for a car-brained society.
You have a good point
Despite these negative points it’s still a million times better than cycling in the U.S.
My! I thought Copenhagen was a pedestrians' heaven! But there's overwhelming and dangerous bicycle and car traffic there! Although the environment has become less polluted and riders have gained better cardiovascular health, pedestrians have become the losers here because they have to be extremely cautious when walking on the sidewalks or crossing the streets! Therefore, traffic authorities will probably have to assign some streets to pedestrians and bicycle traffic and some to car traffic! Sidewalks should strictly be for pedestrians and the pavement (roadways) for bicycles! Now, the number of cars driven a week should be limited to 1/4 of the total! That'd force car drivers to ride their bikes or use public transportation! Finally, massive bicycle parking is essential for the system to work properly! Thus, Denmark has made a huge, exemplary effort to humanize traffic and improve the environment, but there's still a lot of work to be done! Thanks for sharing! ☘️🇩🇰☘️
I can always appreciate a good old pissing competition between the Dutch and the Danes, like the one that I expect to find in this comment section. I'll take a deep breath....
Here we go!
Basically better than *insert city/country* , but still not the level of the Netherlands
Wow. You mean, there are places that are even better than what you showed in this video? That's incredible.
He showed the very worst places, right at the city center
Visited Copenhagen this past Summer. Wish that we had this good of a cycling infrastructure in Chicagoland or the US in general. Jealous.
I’m just visiting Copenhagen on a weekend trip. Not sure how the visit Copenhagen website says it’s the best city in the world for cycling. Compared to the Netherlands it’s way behind
too many salty people who don't understand the concept of constructive criticism.
Some of it is constructive, but that's the same stuff Danes have complaining about for years. Other stuff is not really constructive, since there is nothing to construct from it. Denmark is way less population dense, and the geography is also different that most of the Netherlands, so comparing infrastructure designed and fit for two quite different purposes is a bit pointless.
Why can't Indians have such a culture?? Government should encourage and provide separate spaces on the road like this
It's better than in the Netherlands because you have a choise: car or bike. In The Netherlands it's unconvinient to drive a car. Congrats danish!
You claimed: "In The Netherlands it's unconvinient to drive a car."
Bullshit.
According to Waze, the Netherlands has the best car traffic in the world.
“Bikes take up a lot of space” not compared to the equivalent amount of cars
Isn't it possible to take a bicycle on the train for free in Denmark? If that's true, that's quite a nice infrastructural thing the Danes have that the Dutch don't. €7 per day in NL
It's free on the S-trains around Copenhagen, and there are also no rush-hour restrictions. This is probably my only complaint in regards to cycling in the Netherlands. But you also have to understand that there are more cyclists here than in Denmark, and more arriving with bikes to train stations (27% Danes vs. 50% Dutch). They could do a better job with providing more space on the trains, but there will always be space issues even then. It's €6.2 per day, but point taken.
Its free for folding bikes. That's why you see so many here in the Netherlands.
Interesting point you make about the numbers arriving with bikes at the train station in both countries@@tetrabeetle8630 . The trains in NL are already over full with passengers (during rush hour).
@@rebeccaalbrecht771True, I'm a Brompton rider in Rotterdam. I have also lived in Antwerp, Utrecht and Amsterdam in the last few years. Antwerp people seem even more crazy about the folding bikes!
I moved from Boston, Massachusetts to Utrecht last year. I have a regular Dutch bike for around Utrecht but use my folder when I take the train.
Hah, our Dutchman is a little envious or wanting to take away the popularity of cycling in Copenhagen? Have never seen that many small and insignificant criticism of cycling in that city as in this video. And that last comment - simply the best 😂 Hope he's happy now.
With this crazy high cycling adoption, wondering how many bike shops there are; I would expect a lot, and hopefully many local shops - not big chain stores. (No pun intended). Quick web search turned up Wikipedia page that says there are almost 300 bike shops in Copenhagen.
Amsterdam and other Dutch cities:Amateurs
please do cycling in kuala lumpur
supposedly having the second best bicycling infrastructure in whole of asia after tokyo
but it is also supposedly to be very poor compared to all of europe
Per la bici mettete la mascherina colore rosso per difendervi dalla gente in vetrina a quattro ruote italia
Dutch shaaaade !
3:13 stupid sharp bridge turn - Mikael Colville-Anderson (Copenhagenize) agrees ruclips.net/video/McvZ68qlho4/видео.html
Better than in my city for sure - but I'm surprised that most of these cyclists don't wear helmets nor have many fluorescent vests!
Cyclists are spoiled and in too much hurry their accidents are their own faults.
Try Zagreb and try to get out alive...
Hello & thank you for showing us your perspective. Non-constructive criticism here ;
1. With the amount of the depressive negativity u emitted here we srlsy doubt u Dutch... man u Belgian.
2. You have blatantly exposed yourself as nationalist (not that all ppl think it bad) not going into depth of other ppl's achievements just thinking about promoting whats dear to you.
3. Copenhagen is one of the oldest cities in Europe with as a result very narrow streets and tight spaces in the inner city. It wasn´t until the 80´s there was really focus on bicycle paths and then the only option was stepped in most parts of the city. There simply wasn´t physical space for protected paths. The unprotected paths you show in the vid are from the inner city. In a lot of the newer built areas there are protected paths.
4. The so-called narrow path shown 1:41 is one of the only of that size in the entire city.
5. The “huge intersection” is a 5-road intersection smack up against a historical and protected area that prevents a lot of creative traffic ideas. Besides that, it has been going through multiple changes over the last 100 years including as a full round-about.
6. We don´t really get the “unprotected” when waiting while turning left - unprotected from what? Ze Germans?!? 5 year olds understand traffic rules here and the biggest cause for serious accidents to bicyclists in Copenhagen are truck-drivers from Central Europe right-turning on them with out paying attention after driving and not sleeping for 20+ hours...
Being “unprotected” is not whats making the people cross UNLAWFULLY at 2:26 That is simply them not wanting to wait for the lights to change and taking a short cut - one with a child in the bike even... :( It is an offense that is punishable with an about 100 euro fine.
7. Toughed this a bit before but the asfalt ramps are not a choice of design but a choice of need due to the history of the city. In newer developed parts there are often dropped curbs, recessed drains etc.
8. The “poor bridge design” is a world famous architectural failure and is not as such related to bicycling in Copenhagen.
9. Your example of bad parking is taken from Nørreport Station which is one of the busiest stations in Denmark
10. Most people living in inner Copenhagen have the option of indoor parking in bicycle basements, in what used to be old coal and coak storage rooms. Many work places also offer indoor parking. Are you expecting to park your iron steed indoors when shopping at the local shop?
11. 3:53 “Leading to bikes parked...” exemplary! In Copenhagen most pedestrian pavements are traditionally designed with two rows of tiles for pedestrians and an area towards the facade of the building for eg. parking bikes or placing shop signs. Your example shows how respectful bike owners park here.
Someone is triggered....
1. Mark is Dutch
2. Mark promotes best case design. If that happens to be in another country he’ll say it. Reality is though that in many cases The Netherlands are ahead in many facets of bicycle infrastructure design.
3. Dutch cities like Amsterdam are roughly the same age as Copenhagen with similar issues in 70s & 80s so not much difference there.
4. Fair enough 👍
5. There are many examples in The Netherlands of dealing with large intersections such as the one you mentioned in a smarter way.
6. The Copenhagen intersection looks 2nd rate from a Dutch standard. It’s good... but could be improved.
ruclips.net/video/FR5l48_h5Eo/видео.html
7. Looks like cheap and lazy infrastructure fixes that create an unpleasant experience to me. From a Dutch point of view this would be flagged for fixing and replaced with a smoother ramp.
8. If it’s got a bike path on it and is designed to be used by bikes then it is ‘related to bicycling in Copenhagen.’ Every link is related.
9. Ever more the reason to improve it then!
10. For shopping at your local shop then obviously you park as close to the shop as you can. Many people use the bike as a commuting tool and the city centres in many Dutch cities have indoor cycle park station to improve security of expensive bikes, improve visual aspects of street scenes & protect bikes from the elements. Mark is obviously saying that Copenhagen could probably use some more public indoor bike stations to help with the obvious parking issues that seem to be not adequately catered for.
11. Bikes leaning up against glass and shop fronts probably are acceptable in Copenhagen but from a Dutch perspective this would be seen as a potential hazard and therefore for formal bike parking racks to keep things organised are common place. Having said that, bikes are often parked like this in Amsterdam too but the city council is always working to improve this issue.
I live in Sydney and would love to have what you have in Copenhagen... it’s far superior to what we have in Australia. But if you want to compare the 2 best countries to cycle in, The Netherlands takes the prize for the smartest integrated bicycle infrastructure design & we should definitely pay close attention to how the Dutch became the # 1 cycling country if we are going to improve our world. 😁👍
@@martijnvv8031 was :) it's all better now. How about you?
@@windsurfer all right ;) awesome!
Your #1 point is strange. What makes you think Mark is Belgian for being so direct and to the point? Have you met many Dutch and Belgians? Since I live and work in the very southwest of the Netherlands, many of my colleagues are Flemish. Most foreigners who are not familiar with the two countries just assume they are the same since they speak the same language. I also use to think that, but have since realized the two are actually very different in so many ways. Dutch people are VERY direct and quite outgoing (compared to other Northern Europeans) while Belgians are quite reserved (not unlike most Danish people) and hold back their opinions. If I knew nothing about Mark or his blog but were to randomly read a few, I would have concluded that he was Dutch from his tone of voice and opinions on things. Doesn't mean there aren't exceptions in either countries, but the few exceptions don't tend to define the dominant culture of a country.
You could make the case that perhaps Mark has some biases. He is Dutch after all, so fair enough. But I'm neither Dutch nor Danish and have spent a lot of time cycling in/around Cph and in many Dutch towns and cities. I agree with all of his critiques on the Danish system and I believe the Dutch one is superior in almost all ways. And Cph is probably my most favorite city in the world, so if I would be biased about cycling infrastructure, it would be in favor of the Danish one.
Regarding all of the "unprotected bicycling", this is how I see it: If you can't handle being 1M away from traffic, then don't go to any big city. That's simply how it is :D
But it is not how it has to be.
And it is not how it is in many big cities in The Netherlands.
See, among others:
ruclips.net/video/Boi0XEm9-4E/видео.html .Utrecht
ruclips.net/video/fv38J7SKH_g/видео.html .Groningen
ruclips.net/video/HrI4Sv0djY4/видео.html .Rotterdam. Netherlands most car centric city.
ruclips.net/video/gjLZv3Y0CWM/видео.html .Nijmegen
ruclips.net/video/DKbRL6Opifg/видео.html .Amsterdam
ruclips.net/video/vVDBaShjWqw/видео.html .Den Haag
ruclips.net/video/yo7pntB5uvc/видео.html .Maastricht
@@wimahlers A bidirectional cycle path just aren't as safe, reliable and handy as unidirectional paths on either side of a road.
@@magnushmann
Suppose I simply say and claim:
"A unidirectional cycle path on either side of a road just isn't as safe, reliable and handy as bidirectional paths.
"
Then what would your next responsive question be?
It is that same responsive question I ask you.
@@wimahlers Bidirectional is fine if the route isn't shared traffic with road vehicles. But it's not considered best practice for a reason. Not in the Netherlands either.
@@magnushmann
But that is a nonexisting problem.
To my knowledge, there is not a single bidirectional cycle path in The Netherlands that is shared with road vehicles.
you dutch literally always and only complain "you are not protected"
There's 50 other cyclist beside me, are anyone really gonna run us all over?
@Sercarano T Sure, but they are not vulnerable when they are waiting on the corner. They are vulnerable when going straight in an intersection and cars are turning right. Who is going to run those cyclists over. The cars that are waiting behind them at the red light or the moving cars who for some mysterious reason is aiming for the corner of the intersection. If that was the case, then you needed concrete barriers everywhere. Luckily, that's not the case.
@Mike Oh, they can. They're just also fair and like to point out when criticisms are improper.
Netherlands has much better infrastructure
3:20 What drunk architect designed that! Straight over and into the river ;-)
The bridge has a very smart and innovative design. So smart and innovative that it took a couple of years more than expected to get it to work. You see, when the bridge needs to open to let through a ship, one section retracts into the slot between the pedestrian's part and the bicycle path. Why use the tried and true methods when something new is so much less convenient?
Still beats what we have in Los Angeles.
I've spend half my live in the Netherlands (born and raised) and the second half of my life in the U.S. I was going to say initially that it is very hard to compare the U.S with Europe in so many ways. On second thought though, I think you might be right. Infrastructure is something that a well run government can provide. I love the U.S. I do think unfortunately, it does not have a functioning government. There is still plenty left to love though.
@@marcg.3333 well said. That doesn't mean we can't aspire to make things better. The defeat of Prop 6 shows that there is hope of positive change. Downtown Los Angeles has seen many improvements. We still have a long way to catch up.
@@WmCRobison Absolutely. My ideal would be a mix of the U.S and the Netherlands! Both countries (all countries) could learn from each other in different areas. I hope to visit L.A one day. Best of luck!
@@marcg.3333 the Netherlands have great motorways and cycling infrastructure
I don't know in which fields LA is better but in urban planning it isn't
@Anifco67 half of the Netherlands is one giant urban or suburban area like LA and it works
Wow, each bike equals one car less on the streets and in the parking. Having all those bikers in cars would turn into nightmare traffic. Well done, Denmark!
Nope, one cyclist equals one less in public transport.
@@yogajedi3337 That would be true if there were 0 cars, sure
@@EntropyKC Very few bicycle longer distance then 3-5 km, at least where I live, people very seldom use car within inside the city, town but normally use public transport or walk the distance.
This is a very useful video for those of us trying to push for not just cycle lanes but better quality cycle lanes.
In the UK and Australia, even when they make a huge improvement over nothing and create a protected cycleway, they nearly always get these little details wrong. 45 degree kerbs, sharp turns when they could be curved, protection that gives up at intersections, stepped tracks mere centimetres from motor traffic, not enough cycle parking.
Don't just copy the Danes because they have better infrastructure than us. Copy the Dutch because they have better infrastructure than the Danes.
Just reposting a comment:
This video is about the quality itself. So, I think Mark should have titled it 'Quality of Cycling in Copenhagen'. Though when you think about inspiration both countries provide to the wider world, it gets complicated, as explained in this series: robertweetman.wordpress.com/2017/11/04/amsterdam-vs-copenhagen-part-1/
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Better than 99% of the world, but not yet the level of the Netherlands. Those little details here and there make a huge difference.
A couple of levels higher than the Netherlands.
@@billigmad3720 no
@@obama69890 Yes
Billig Mad How is it better? Your bike lanes have the same color as your roads. The whole world sees the Netherlands as the bike country, not Denmark.
@@sdf6508 Did you know that bike lanes in New York City is named Copenhagen lanes? :)
At the end of the video he should just say what he is probably thinking..........”I don’t think you can say that cycling here is superior to the Netherlands!”
Well, and he’s right 😅
He literally said that at the end of the video dummy
@@kylehagertybanana Why do you call Tannawannavannabit Tannawannavannabit a dummy? Especially as he is every bit right: nowhere does Bicycle Dutch literally say that Danish cycling in not superior to Dutch cycling. What he says is "I don't think you can say that cycling in Copenhagen is superior to cycling in some other places in the world". That's literally what he says, so where did you find a mention of the Netherlands, dummy? Tannawannavannabit Tannawannavannabit's remark about the implied message is 100% right.
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Nice to see a different perspective on this. I have followed Mikael Colville-Andersen for well over a decade now and he has always painted Copenhagen as a near perfect city for cycling.
It's near perfect for people that have never been to the Netherlands 😂
@@RoarofdalioN exactly! 😂
The dutch standards bring with them other problems that Denmark then avoids. Remember, although similar in many ways, the Netherlands and Denmark are two different countries with different starting points and needs. Examples are population, population density and geography.
"Not Just Bikes" a Canadian living in Amsterdam compared the two cities ruclips.net/video/HjzzV2Akyds/видео.html
We have it pretty good. Most of the arguments in the video focus on the personal experience of a novice cyclist, such as being confused in traffic, scared near cars or impatient to turn left on a crossroad. All of these things are normal and come with time and practice. He does, however raise a good point - there are way too many cars, and we should invest more into cycling infrastructure, to encourage people even more.
Quite strange, that they lack so much behind the Dutch in intersection design, although having so many good cycle tracks🤔
Nicolas Blume it’s not strange, they didn’t want to learn from the Dutch.
I wouldn't call that good cycle paths to be honest....
Martijn Vv yeah that track at 1:10 is right smack in the cars’ passenger side door zone. Bad bad bad.
@@Patrick94GSR That might look bad, but as Danish drivers and passengers in cars are used to deal with cyclists, you might be sure they look whether a (number of) cyclist(s) is coming before opening the door... Like in the Netherlands there is no war between drivers and cyclists in Denmark.
@@marcvanderwee all it takes is one person from out of town who isn't used to the Danish way of doing things, and it can end up being a very bad day for an unlucky cyclist.
Wow the helmet propaganda has had an effect in Denmark. A lot more helmets than I saw there 8 years ago.
I noticed that too. I have been watching videos out of Copenhagen for years, and in most you see just a few people in helmets, normally the sporty types. This could be a problem long term for getting people to ride if it's perceived as dangerous.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing. I visited in 2013, and the proportion helmeted has jumped up considerably.
Maybe they wear them during the winter cause its colder XD
@Roosje Keizer That's simply not true. The UE never said that helmets are mandatory
Can you please share the source of your info Roosje ?? I've never heard of it......
Take care. Danes do not take criticism well.
They do, they are just also not afraid to point out potential faults in those criticisms.
Really interesting video, thanks for that. One thing I can say as a Dane living in Nijmegen that for sure is way better in Denmark though: the relative absence of bicycle theft. In The Netherlands people seem to get their bikes stolen constantly (especially in the Randstad) and as a consequence people have to carry around enormous bike locks, and buy really crappy bikes, whereas in Copenhagen you can have a pretty nice bike for years without it getting stolen.
From what my Dutch friends tell me, aside from the petty/opportunistic bicycle theft by a minority of locals, much of this is part of underground, organized crime rings that specialize in bicycle theft, often by driving around with vans to steal as many bikes as possible and take them over to eastern/southeastern Europe. Perhaps this has not yet permeated into Danish society by and large. I also noticed that most people in the city of Copenhagen just use the wheel lock for overnight and longer-term storage. This would never be advisable in the medium or larger Dutch cities, or even rural train stations. It's usually very safe in smaller Dutch towns and villages, unless one of these vans happens to come by and scoop up all the bikes not attached to a physical object. It's very unfortunate that the theft is so high in the Netherlands. Even still, I just leave my 2nd bike (old omafiets) outside my flat with the wheel lock. I would need to park it 50 meters away to be able to lock it to something, and that's too much trouble :)
You might be right about that (I don't have any idea about the theft problem in København) and it is of course a good thing. But is has nothing to do with the cycle infra... But what @Tetrabeetle already mentioned, a lot of stolen bicycles are shipped to different countries. But it also happens here that a bicycle is stolen just for having free transport, e.g. from a train station to a nearby town, or a sailor who returns to his ship and leaves to his next destination.
Do not forget that the Netherlands have almost the inhabitants of Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Danmark together. And bicycling is all over the country while in Danmark Copenhagen stands out.
Small crime is far more common place in the Netherlands, regrettable but true.
@@dutchman7623 Well, cycling is common in all parts of Denmark I believe. I would actually say that Odense is more of a cycling city than Copenhagen.
@@edsonbarbosa4978 And Odense has the Hans Christiaan Andersen 'borough' near the train station! When you walk there it is just like you step straight into a fairytale!
This is 30 years ahead of where I ride.
Excellent video. It accurately describes my experience cycling in Copenhagen. All and all it's a fantastic city for bikes, but there is still much room for improvement, as is so well described in the video. The main issue, in my opinion, is the fact that cars are an extremely dominant feature in the city, even in central high-dense areas. Amsterdam just feels more "owned" by cyclists than Copenhagen does. That might be why you see a lot more people cycling with helmets in Copenhagen. One thing I disagree on with the video is parking, which I found to be a bit more convenient in relatively spacious Copenhagen than in the super highly dense Amsterdam.
In any case, compared to any other world-city I've been to, Copenhagen is a cycling paradise.
The Netherlands is more than Amsterdam.
Amstrerdam more dangerous for bicyclists than Copenhagen. You may feel safer - but you are not.
infrastructure for cycling looks disappointing I am surprised people still use it.......I have seen better cycle lanes in Bogota Colombia
I wish San Francisco has this kind of infrastructure for cycling.
"...than cycling in some other places in the world"
We saw what you did there, sir! 😉
Still paradise compared to what we have in Italy (nothing)... It's horrible that you just have to get a car to get around Italy
"Some other places in the world".
*Cough* Amsterdam *cough*.
I am danish, and I agree with all your points about DK cycling. Especially those pesky little asphalt bumps! :-) I am going to Amsterdam in April and looks forward to renting a bike there and cycle around the beautiful city.
Amsterdam is not the best cycle city, especially with tourists on bicycles...
Like London or Manhattan are not relaxed car driving towns...
@@dutchman7623 @Patrick is Danish, so he is an experienced cyclist as well. (I guess) So Amsterdam won't be a problem for him...
As Dutch Man said, Amsterdam is not the best for cycling in Holland,
I have never seen those "bumps" as anything near being pesky nor are they, as said in the video, especially steep. And as they tend to be where a side road leads on to a bigger road, they are often where you would slow down anyway navigating it really not a problem.
Also with regards to the bike lanes directly adjacent to a road with cars, since drivers all know about bike lanes it also works well. Space is premium, since Copenhagen keeps growing and many houses are centuries old it means sometimes there just isn't room to divide traffic even more.
This is so refreshing to see. In my town, most cyclists ride on the sidewalks, which is annoying as a pedestrian. I would like to begin riding my bike but at this moment all our trails are closed due to the pandemic and I definitely don't want to ride on the busy roads with limited space to ride and especially not sidewalks. I'm going to have to figure something out but it doesn't look very bicycle friendly here on the surface compared to places in Europe.
I wish I could ride my bike to work here in the US. It is only about 5 miles but there are no bike lanes and little to no shoulder on the road to get there. Once I get to the airport where I work, there are 2 tunnels, one that goes under a runway and the other one that goes under a taxi way. There are signs at the entrance of these tunnels that ban the use to bikes through them.
Been living in both, Amsterdam (2 years) and Copenhagen (3 years). You are right about all you sad, cycling system is better in the NL, BUT (and this is something very, very subjective to me!) I got my bike stolen in Amsterdam 3 times, and not once in Cph.
Do you lock your bike?
Does anyone know if Copenhagen is doing or has done anything to improve over the recent years?
Copenhagen has already declared itself the best bicycle city in the world and therefore sees no reason to improve anything. It's a typical Danish mentality (and I say this as a Dane myself) to announce your city or country as the best in the world at something so you can pat yourself on the back over it, and of course avoid spending money to get better at it.
I use to ride my bike to work and ride my bike home. It was 3 miles and everyone thought I was nuts but I loved it. I live in the USA and they don’t ride bikes.
Always thought Copenhagen was on par with the Netherlands, but actually it look pretty bad.
well he did focus a lot of the worst aspects and nit picky stuff
This guy is some sort of Dutch bicycle evangelist. Look him up, he clearly has a conflict of interest in trying to make an objective video about Copenhagen. He's been ranting against Copenhagen in his blogs too. Absolutely seething with rage that anyone dares find Copenhagen nicer to bike in than his precious NL.
Ralph Macchiato he also constantly says “countries like the Netherlands and Sweden” when referring to good road design -but never Denmark, which would have been a more obvious example. Living in Sweden close to Copenhagen I’m very confused by this. The bike lanes here are far worse and less consistent. I think he is just angry with the rankings. The biking system is not perfect in Copenhagen, but it’s far better than he gives it credit for and not very different from a Dutch system (I’ve only biked in and around Amsterdam). If the system was SO bad and unsafe, why is it then used by just as high a share of the inhabitants as in Amsterdam, and why does Amsterdam have slightly more accidents? It simply does not add up. Copenhagen is definitely not superior, but this way of just looking for flaws is ridiculous. I could also for sure find 1 bike lane in the Amsterdam that I believed was two narrow for two way traffic or bike lanes, where I could get a shot with a truck and say that it is unsafe. If you are looking for flaws you will find them...
A lot of the comments under this video joining in on the critique of biking infrastructure of Denmark seems to be mainly people used to the dutch way of doing things, surprised and angered that there are other ways of doing it, that work fine or just as well. It's just not what they in particular are used to. Well no shit lol.
awesome
my home - uk needs to learn from this!!! :D
If you don't live in London, true.
In year 1900. CPH. was known as the European Capitol of Cyclist,
70, 80, and 90, was a dark period, stand still, no cycle budget,
but then something happends, the cycle budget rapidly grow,
and dobbled many times, and lot of progress happends.
So CPH came back on the track, and is still the Cycle-Capitol.
Cycle infra structure, has now become standard in most modern cities,
Holland is about the size of Jutland, and is three times as many,
so in general, it might be the most developed Cycle Country.
Lot of good improvement is realized since the video, and thousands of trees.
Its bad there, hectic as hell
whether kobenhavn's bicycling infrastructure is as good as holland's: who cares; it is certainly good enough. also, kobenhavn is a really great city.
Maybe not perfect, but still better than my town (Prato, Italia) or other bigger cities here in Italy.. Been there and in the Netherlands several times.. It's a completely different world
Italy is also a completely different world with all its beauty 🇳🇱❤️🇮🇹
most of these look like an expedient patchwork to turn old street designs to be retrofitted quickly and cheaply to be bicycle friendlier.
Do not compain! Check the situation in Poland ;)
It's not about complaining, though. It's about observing points to be improved upon.
This is the very reason these countries progressed as they did...
The fact alone they're having bicycle counters is saying a lot. What good does that do for existing cyclists?
It tells you how many survived since yesterday...
It's just a gimmick.
@@dutchman7623 LMAO
This is still heaven on earth compared to my city
Some cyclists wear helmets others don't. Isn't that a regulation?
In Delhi traffic is chaos . We hardly breathe here...
Come back to London for another visit. It's still shit but pretty good in most ways.
You cannot do this in America, people steal too much.
They ride bicycles, like people in The Netherlands.
And this is Copenhagen. Outside the capital, it is much worse.
Pieter Kuiper I heard Odense is pretty good as well. Read a few articles suggesting it is safer than Copenhagen, due to it being a smaller city ( less traffic etc ). As a result it's supposedly safer for children to cycle there than in Copenhagen. Do you know anything of cycling there or is it really just as bad?
It's actually better most places *other* than Copenhagen. And Copenhagen, although definitely having faults isn't a bad as this video might lead you to believe.
Copenhagen is not mostly a childhood memory. /
It’s surprising to see how close the bikes are to the vehicles in several of these scenes! I thought the scooters in the bike lanes here in Amsterdam were bad. :-)
Tbh he purposedly chose to record the largest and highest traffic streets
It is like that because its a small city, in my land,
cities are so big! If u get a bike, it would take you like 3 or 4 ahours to arrive to your job. Plus struggling with the chaos trafic… Im talikng about Lima, in Peru 😭
Cyclepaths
Better than Dallas
3:02 Inconvinient to you, but not for us living in Copenhagen.. It's better than the curb, than not having it at all. Yes they are steep.
I would evaluate the cycling infrastructure also based on road cycling fatalities. Could you tell us how many are in Netherlands vs Denmark?
In 2017 206 people died in a cycling accident in the Netherlands. 57 of them on an E-bike and more than three-quarters of those 57 people were over the age of 65. The Dutch are cycling about 15 BILLION kilometers a year in total. Yes that's 15.000.000.000 kilometer or 9.300.000.000 Miles , so "only" 206 fatalities is still 206 to much, but not that bad. I don't know the numbers of Denmark, but Google will help you with that.
@@martijnvv8031 According to google 183 deaths in Denmark for 2017. Yes Denmark has a smaller population than Netherlands, also less density, but with a worst cycling infrastructure than Netherlands they have less fatalities. As a foreigner to both countries, I felt safer riding the bike in Copenhagen than in The Hague.
@@calinutzzz I understand, The Hague is very backwards in cycling infrastructure.....it was good but they turned the clock back..... See the video at this channel from some weeks ago about The Hague.
@@calinutzzz That's 183 in total, not just cyclists. 26 cyclists died in 2017 in Denmark.
@@AardvarkDK thanks for the info!
The asphalt bandit, dumping annoying blobs all over the world. Smooth it over does not take a lot of effort. 🤔👷♂️🛣️🚧
Interesting to see how many people wear helmets there. Far more than I expected to see
"When so many people cycle in your city you're obviously doing something right" haha more like public transport is so expensive in Copenhagen you have no choice but to cycle
Oh ok....If you see one-day Salcano or Carraro you will know those bikes made of Turkey.. Mean while web pages are www. salcano .com or carrarobisiklet.com
Fact; Alice dj doesn't even live in Denmark and hides her wealth in the British Virgin Islands
bro , u r complaining ?
seriously ???
yes. and that is a good thing, if you arren't complaining you can't improve. and copenhagen can still improve alot.
Ou yeah, compare to Prague this is still much better!
Could they cycling in rainy days ???
Of course thay can! The only differnce is they wear rain coats/clothes, and people who wear 'normal' clothes get wet... Can be nice, to see a beautiful girl/woman in wetlook... ;-)
I cycling every day summer or winter 😅
Copenhagenize will disagree
Copenhagenize is a (semi-gov ? ..) marketing/PR tool intended to show Copenhagen as 'best'. It's Bike friendly city Index is an absolute joke. The criteria are designed to put CPH on top. And even then they have manipulated data like 'modal bike share' to give a better statistical figure.
@@allws9683Copenhagen is just better, accept it ;)
@@coldane2 I doubt if you ever looked into the CPH city index's bogus critereria. This video makes quite clear what's lacking in CPH for bikes. I don't bother that CPH uses a subpar junction design like at 2:15 but it's not something to boast about. Why claims Copenhagenize a 'busiest bicycle junction' of 36k per day, where it is in reality only 10k bikes ( per day average, measured over a 5 month period)? (www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2011/01/busiest-cycle-street-in-world.html )
Your fellow Copenhageners show how bikefriendly the city is , in the number of young adults wearing helmets on city bikes.
@@allws9683 And the guy who made this video is a Dutch bicycle marketing/PR guy. He's extremely biased and only highlights the worst of Copenhagen and best of NL.
@@peetaaJP Biased? I would say that Mark is one of the more dry and factual vloggers on YT. In this vlog he gives enough pro's about CPH. You will find him also quite critical about Dutch places, but not so often since 90% of the Netherlands has better facilities for cycling than Copenhagen.. (That's not a bias as I have been multiple times to the city ;-).
It is still much better than what we have in Phoenix, Az.
😃
Compared to some other places, as in compared to one other place? ;D
Interesting twist. What makes good bicycle infrastructure? How do we meassure it. Clearly more fatal accidents in Amsterdam than Copenhagen per cyclist - by a margin. Hmmm. Better or worse to be cycling there?
Different population density, different geography, different needs? Well, different solutions.
I can recognize the dirty and smelly city in which I live ^^
compare that to sydney. it’s amazing already