The Dark Truth of what Happened to Sith After Death - Can Sith Become Force Ghosts?
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It’s cool, because this explains how Darth Marr was able to become a force ghost. He, was willing to put other things above himself (mainly the sith empire). And rather fought for the Empire than for his own personal gain.
Bless that man.
Truly legend that sith empire don't deserve, yet needed
@@greenchilistudioz4537 Marr was the emperer that that the true sith needed.
Yeah the hole losing your individuality thing doesn’t sound like fun.
No, it does not.
Well, resistance is futile
My question for the Jedi would be, "How is losing your individuality not death?" Becoming one with the Force doesn't strike me as an afterlife, anymore than the events that happen to my corpse do. It's death, even if it does bring about new life.
Well the whole concept is modeled more after eastern religions, many of which put emphasis on spirit more than consciousness. I live not because of the mind stuff that made me but instead the soul stuff that made me.
Don't worry, you didn't have much individuality to begin with anyways.
Ironic, the sith code says they shall be freed by the force, yet they can only persist after death by becoming bound to an object
Is it possible to learn this power?
Oh wait, this isn't revenge of the sith. Never mind...
Trolled
They could save oth- Wait nevermind
Prank gone wrong
The Sith Code merely focuses on freedom of will and desires but not in the Force. The first Lords of the Sith are aware of this, which is why most Sith Lords tend to go out in a blaze of glory hoping to reek destruction on their enemies as their only legacy. The Sith belief is almost the equivalent of Nihilism perceiving the Force as an entity that is meant to be controlled through sheer iron will
I personally think of Dark Side Spirits that persist in the physical world after death as Dark Side Wraiths.
Makes sense especially for the few Sith not stuck to their tombs.
Force ghosts: *exist*
Sith inquisitor: “A fine addition to my collection.”
I've always liked the idea of Sith Spirits, they're like ghosts from real world mythology. Malignant spirits who refused to pass on and are bound to an object, place, person or a bloodline.
Same.
While Jedi Spirits are more like angels.
@DogoHalibar
Yeah, makes sense 😅
Why not have your spirit bound to a droid? I'd think that would solve most of the "unable to do much of anything" problems.
Yoda, don't be silly, Sith can't die!
...Why not?!
Come closer... Death is a concept invented by the Jedi
I don't even know how to spell it
@@Matt-dx9mx D!!!! E!!! A!!!!....
@@nimonnbim1244 E A
@@nimonnbim1244 I know, I know, I was joking.
@@RebelliousRobot just let me lie here for a moment…I will use the force to heal my broken bodeh
Geetslys ol’ reliable when her can’t think of a good title:
*the dark truth*
Except for Darth Marr, the one Sith who became one with the force....
Well Marr always seemed to be a sort of light side sith
@@Mobysimo he was definitely dark side, but he always seemed to put the needs of the Empire before personal gain. Like after the RoTHC you can imply he's trying to become Emperor and he'll say something along the lines of "I could care less about being the emperor. My place is on the battlefield" or something lile that... *shrugs*
@@livinghistory9701 I honestly got the feeling that he lost faith in the Sith after the events of Yavin and strayed more towards the light, or at least the grey.
To him, the greater good of the empire was more important and it could be said he died selflessly, trying to kill Valkorion to stop him from taking over/destroying the galaxy.
@@Mobysimo yeah.
@@livinghistory9701 not sure if you ever watched Stat Trek deep space nine, if you did Marr reminds me of Garak.
If you haven't watched it Garak was a character that was in exile and leadership on his planet hated his guts. However despite the fact he wasn't wanted on his own planet everything he ever was for his home planet.
Much like Garack everything Marr did was for the empire. Despite being on the Dark Council he didn't get involved with the petty squabbles of other dark council members, the only thing he truly care about was making sure the Empire survived and tried to become better than what it is.
Lol an ad popped up right after he said “How do force ghosts work?” Then the ad said “Amazon, we don’t know”
if people join the force when they die, does that mean that the Jedi use ghost-powered space magic?
That seems to be the case, which is also how the force is able to rebel
I believe "ghost powered space magic" was the original name for it before George Lucas shortened it to "the Force"
4:57 - As far as I remember, in legends force ghosts were not in the netherworld. Force ghost was a temporary state where a light side user can still exist within the world of living after death. They were close to barrier between netherworld and physical world but they still didn't crossed it. Eventually the force ghost fully evaperated, then the consciousness entered the netherworld and could never return. So sith spirits were better in one aspect. They could exist forever in the physical realm if nobody decided to destroy them. Though, unlike jedi force ghosts, they had to be bounded with a person or an object.
_"These spirits were also terribly impotent, unlike Force Ghosts"_
Excuse me, did you forget about Exar Kun's assault on Luke's temple? He turned Kyp Durron to the dark side and when they attacked Luke, they actually tore his spirit from his body. It took the collective strength of Luke, his students and the ghost of Vodo-Siosk Baas to finally get rid of Kun for good.
If I remember correctly, Luke even went on to state that the supposedly weakened spirit of Exar Kun was just as- if not, more powerful than a reborn Emperor Palpatine.
Exar kun? Didn't he exist 5000 years before luke was born
Me: looks at title. Looks at current KotOR replay.
Yes.
I'm with the Sith on this one; losing one's individuality is indistinguishable from mere annihilation.
Just an extra step or two. Same end result! 🤷🏼♂️
agreed
Hey twist, dookus attachment to his lightsabre granted him the ability to persist?
No.
What
He didn’t have hands when he died. Anakin saw to that.
*WAT*
@@mike14987 Oh, that's why Anakin cut off Dooku's hands but didn't capture him; he was killing Dooku permanently!
There is also that technique which Darth Nox learned that allow a living Sith to consume the specters of those Sith that linger. While they may be impotent on their own they can be used to fuel incredible power in a living host, although that power comes with... Serious drawbacks.
Indeed. Especially if you have more than one ghost at any given time. Nox learned that the hard way.
Just finished the inquisitors Playthru of the old republic. And I just learned this information.
Vader and Darth Marr are two of the very few Sith who became true force ghosts. Both died trying to save something or someone, selflessly sacrificing themselves, which granted them access, it seems. Vader died for the son he loved. Marr died for the Empire he loved.
Vader redeemed himself before death so it was Anakin. Marr was with till the day he died
The sith went to hell for eternity while the Jedi got stuck in a see through body for eternity
Well that sucks.
Seems to me that the Sith had the better end.
Yeah, the Force kinda sucks. Light Side...Dark Side...doesn't matter you're getting screwed either way. XD
@@cartooncritique6625 with the dark side you can get power and change the Galaxy. With the light side you only bow before weaker people.
But besides that, the Mandalorians have the best way to think (from my point of view) with the honor and so on thing.
WHEN YOU SEE A JEDI, PICKUP THE PHONE AND CALL, FORCEGHOST BUSTERS!
So siths went to hell while jedi's become ghost for all eternity, I hope I will never be born into this Star Wars universe. It sucks
better than what happens to non-force sensitives....They become Wamprats and Banthas
higher chance that we will be living in some shit hole like... actually probably everywhere.
@@Clever_Motel sounds unfair huh?
I know this is canon and not Legends but Lord Momin I would say had one of the best all around ways of getting around the death problem. All anyone had to do was put on his mask and he would be able to control them. It didn't give him his force powers back but the ability could be reused over and over.
Hey, we live in legends!
@@geetslys True
@@geetslys Oh, I'm sorry I thought this was the Channel that combines Canon and Legends. I must be in the wrong place, excuse me.
LOL.
Well... He was anchored to the land of the living by something... Similar to the other Sith shown.
@@zexalbrony4799 He does, it just be more familiar with Legends.
The Sith ghosts, like Aloysius Kallig or Dark Andru in the dark temple of Dromund Kaas didn't seem powerless to me. Of course, it was a strong dark side nexus, and they were confined in it.
Kallig became powerless once he realised he had been dead for millenia. That was a very nice touch. Also, Andru was very confused about his own state of being dead. Conversely, Ergast and Horak Mul were far more tame, with one only binding to the holocron and the other possessing living weaklings
@@moscanaveia I see your point. Besides, even when they had some power, they are bound to this place for ever, not like Jedi force ghosts who can move around.
@@nemesis7774 Being bound was not an apparent condition for Nadd. He couldn't move as he pleased, but he often appeared before the Ketos in Koros Major, even after Arca Jeth sealed his remains on the tomb on Dxun. And Exar Kun was literally bound to the Temple of Fire by the Jedi, his ritual would by his own words unleash him upon the galaxy without any impediment, had the Jedi not done so by using the Force Light technique. This video seemed to neglect those finer points.
@@moscanaveia yeah, I guess these few exceptions are sometimes neglected when the sith as a whole are the subject, and not the few siths that are the exception
Remember that the Emperor becoming a force ghost in robot chicken is canon.
In all honestly the whole rejection of self is why I dislike the jedi doctrine (as well as concepts like nirvana or becoming one with the Dao). If I have shed my personality, my memories, my ability to perceive, or even my ability to think then what am I?
In such a state I don't even have the virtues the Jedi proclaim like compassion or love - I have effectively become an object, not an example of life, not a person, certainly not enlightened and there is nothing left of me to enjoy any bliss or release such a state is supposed to bring me. To me it just sounds like oblivion with extra steps.
And this is why I usually side with the sith
The manda would probably be a much better party
with emotion, we are no better then robots
why you don't like nirvana and Dao? Maybe you're just selfish :P
@@goodmind4940 I said why I find the concept of Nirvana undesirable - loss of self. The Dao itself is not the issue per se, I just don't like how some schools have you dissipate into it when you die (like the force is shown here).
I have always been of the mind that the Jedi are making an incorrect assumption simply because of what they don't see. There's a difference between being able to *manifest to the world of the living*, and flat out *not existing*. To my personal way of thinking, a Sith would be more likely to *manifest* due to forging a path back to the mortal world with their passions, with the help of artifacts, etc.. Jedi could do it as well but it was rare because they *presupposed the inability to do it*. I also think there's no reason to think that non-Force-sensitives didn't have an afterlife and retain consciousness; I figure they just couldn't manifest to the living because they did not forge the links to the world of the living through sufficient Force and passion.
darth Marr became a force ghost
Marr was an amazing character...
Awesome Sith!
I'm glad someone else brought that up!
To me, "The Force" is at one with the Universe. I would think that when the body dies , the persona simply becomes part of everything as well.
6:27 darth andadu, despite the fact that he was a powerful sithlord his name sounds hilarious
Very well done brother, I thank you for your passion on the subject. Stay healthy, and be well.
Only in death does duty ends.
Wrong franchise but you have the spirit
It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself.
@@skwam7202 He a little confused, but he got the spirit
Not for a bunch of Jedi.
Even in death I still serve
Hmm... I thought Darth loosely translated to Dark...
Example: Darth Vader = Dark Father
Someone should really tell the jedi about darth marr.
SWTOR is stupid and it doesn’t understand how the force works. There’s no such thing as a light sith, that doesn’t make any sense
@@Arander92 theres a sith called Darth Vectivus. Uses darkside as a tool for his study, lived as a businessman and died among his family/friends
@@Arander92 darth marr wasnt a light side user. He became a force ghost because he put others (namely the sith empire) before himself.
@@Arander92 your understanding is limited
@@Arander92 Your psychological projection is amusing
They lose their individuality and join the force it‘s what‘s said in TCW
In legends, some really powerful sith lords become force ghosts, like Ragnos and Exhar Kun.
@@flanholiothegreat8323 shhhh. You’re gonna anger the childeren
@@flanholiothegreat8323 Those were Sith Spirits not Force Ghosts, The only sith force ghost was Darth Marr.
this is why Revan and Bane spirits got removed from Mortis arc, George didn't want to establish Sith ghosts
I personally like the idea that Sith cannot mainting concious thought.
Makes them chasing immortality, in both Legends Canon and Disney Canon make a lot more sense.
Also, it's Disney Canon instead did Legends, but the Book a Different Point of View gives a sight of how it feels for a Force Ghost to break apart from the greater Cosmic Force. It's a very interesting chapter
1:37 I didn't know Gene Simmons was a Sith Lord.
lol
something tells me their cautiousness just turns into a wild mess of hatred and lust for power since that is all thats left of them and the only thing strong enough to remain
Someone: sith can't become ghost or have life after death
Anyone who loves sith legends: have you shed of Darth nilius
What about Darth Momin he was literally able to come back from death by opening a Gate to the Netherworld using Darth Vader.
The old republic actually had many sith ghosts who not only could wield force powers to possess and control regular people and even kill lesser force users while shrugging off most force attacks. The downside was that many of these spirits were not only bound but unaware that they'd even died and sort of stuck in their own time unable to truly acknowledge reality until a sufficiently powerful force user came. Otherwise they just reenacted the events of their lives using their thralls as puppets, and unless said force user was trained in the right rituals the spirit would simply attack and kill or drive them off so they could return to the delusion. That said a few more powerful lords did maintain both their powers and awareness, but they were physically bound, either to their tomb, their holocron, or if they were lucky, to their bloodline.
What about the other jedi? Other than luke, anakin, yoda, obi, quigon...were the other jedi such as tin or fisto force ghosts as well? Or were they just part of the force
There is a weird explanation on why not many other ghosts aren't chatting up with Luke or the other Jedi to teach them to not screw up. The personal attachment to a person (family, friendship, and parenthood) makes them able to reach out to said individuals.
@@bjorndanielsen4680 not that, qui gon was the first one to be a force ghost by discovering it, however could not show himself physically, only his voice, he then showed Yoda how to do this who in turn showed Obi Wan. That’s why you could only see Obi Wan and Yoda. Because they perfected upon what qui gon discovered.
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Thanks! Will do!
I watch you videos everyday. I love in depth you go in Star wars lore
I kind of like the idea of blending in to the general river of what I lived and died championing. You're in the river and, just as every drop of water isn't named, keep the same direction and ferocity with so many of your own from times long gone. It would be much better to be able to interact with the others drops of water, but that's not really a big hinge for me
It's like what happens when you become a Nightingale in Skyrim. You rejoins the shadows that actively aid, guide, and/or protect your fellow thieves. Your help may not be directly noticed, but it's just as real as if your physical hand guided your fellow thieves. You may not be individually known, but you're not a single thief by now - you are _thievery_ made manifest
It's pretty romantic, honestly. Not just becoming a champion of the thing you lived and died for, but to become _part_ of it. It gives what happens next a strange older/younger dynamic as, though dead, you still aid and guide those that use you for the same reason you used those that died previously. Sure, I'd rather be able to learn things forever, possibly championing new causes and gaining new accomplishments, but I'm also not currently a champion of _anything_ at all. My personal crusades affect little and I'm not part of an order of any kind. I imagine that an alternate self that _was_ subject to these qualifiers would have no issue with it
This is maybe one of the reasons why that Darth Traya hates & despises the force enough of wanting to wipe it off the face of existence & I don't blame her for that‥, not for one bit!
So, depending on who you ask, there isn't really an afterlife in the Star Wars universe and your soul basically gets recycled as Force energy? Well shit, that's makes me sympathize with Anakin even more. What's the point of life if there isn't some form of individuality?!
Well if Anakin had played his hands right he could have been immortal and be a true God.
Do you waste your waking life with thoughts of an afterlife? The purpose of your life is to prepare for an arbitrary imagined afterlife you cannot be guaranteed to exist? Sounds to me Jedi are smarter about this than someone who does what outlined above
I think there a actually is, and every sentient individual retains some sort of individuality after Death when they become one with the force, but they also change in a way, so they don’t really care about it. Qui Gonn just learned how to “come back” using the living force, temporarily breaking his connection to the cosmic force.
Well, the Supernatural Encounters novella begs to differ. Heck, even droids have their own place in the afterlife, while Yoda is implied to have become an angel.
1:29 A proper hive mind is where each new consciousness adds to the greater whole (much as the All-Stark/Matrix was handled in the Transformers universe when a transformer died), a hive mind to be wary of was one that treated each new mind as extra memory and processing power (the Elder Brains of D&D).
Since free will is a unescapable condition of sapience, the dichotomy within the Force is inevitable. (The part of us that wants to exists WITH everyone else, and the part that goes 'Me! Me! Me!')
The Jedi Council: "No. Now stop asking."
So Sidious is so powerful a sith that he’s able to escape Chaos entirely on his own and the Fore Ghosts are in a constant struggle to keep him contained. Geez, if Palpatine is able to do that, imagine what Anakin could do if he died as Darth Vader? The guy could probably not just always escape Chaos no matter how much he was attempted to be contained, but probably also restore his physical body. Being the freaking chosen one really pays off.
Pff, he even could have resurrect Padme if we think like that.
He persisted as a Force Ghost for decades as is.
The Force: "Sidious, youre dead"
Sidious: "No"
Darth Nox: *sipping mug of sith ghosts* "what the fuck is this bullshit"
Somehow han solo became a force ghost
Your videos are insanely informative! I learn so much about Star Wars lore from this channel. 👍👍
"The reward of individuality was gained by being willing to lose that individuality..."
That's not a reward, that's a consolation prize.
The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise just got a lot darker. His power to keep everyone he loved from dying (according to Palpatine, at least) makes a lot more sense now. 😬
Thank you for this, I hate how other channels keep trying to piece together that Anakin became a Force Ghost because "Obi-Wan taught Anakin to become a Force Ghost at the very last minute super duper fast!"
When really, Anakin stumbled on it on his own. Through his self sacrifice, understanding love, and knowing that both the Light and Dark side live within you, you can't banish either, that he uncover the secret all on his own.
Darth Vader looks like an ancient Sith warrior so he can install fear and intimidation to his enemies.
Lord Momin will always be my favorite sith to persist after dead. not for the means by which he did it, but simply by dint of his peculiar nature
The metaphysical aspects of the SW Galaxy needs more coverage, please.
"In the end, as the darkness takes me, I am nothing."
Isn't that how most sith go?
Sith: resurrects
Jedi: *bonk go back to Choas
I think this line of dialouge from the ROTS novel that was practically line edited by Lucas himself sums it up best. This is between Yoda and Qui-Gon, discussing learning to become a Force ghost that was cut from the film because Liam Nesson was unable to make it to record the lines.
Yoda: "Eternal life..."
Qui-Gon: "The ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it; it comes only the release of self, not the exaltation of self. It comes through compassion, not greed. Love is the answer to the Darkness."
Yoda: :"Become one with the Force, yet influence still to have.." Yoda mused. "A power greater than all, it is."
Qui-Gon: It cannot be granted; it can only be taught. It is yours to learn, if you wish it.
The ultimate irony is the Dark Side corrupts you and makes you selfish, greedy. So you want more and more and more, to the point like Sidious you want to live forever. But because of that greed, selfishness, corruption you can't ever obtain the power. Qui-Gon's line about how it is has to be taught also explains why it was an unheard of power, and only a handful of characters have ever achieved it. So no, Sith can't become Force ghosts. But they can make attempts that only lead to failure and suffering beyond death.
Wait but Sith can become force ghosts, that happens in the Old Republic mmo. It's rare just like when Jedi manage it but it's possible
I think it only happens out side of "canon"
Its different though, their spirit is just bound to a place or object and their influence only goes as far as said object or location and in rare cases like with Kallig, they can communicate through ancestors.
@BK Beatty That was not the sith I was talking about. There’s one in the old republic mmo (That I still don’t know if cannon or not) there’s one sith who wanted to work with the republic against the greater threat of the eternal empire, he died but helps you after as a force ghost, as he chooses to be one with the force.
@@fallentitan9811 Considering the news I hear from SWTOR channels, they're planning on incorporating SWTOR into Disney canon by having Malgus go to Malacor V, which showed up in Star Wars: Rebels.
@@AnAwkwardlyPlacedSausage what about darth marr?
Dear Dude of Dudes, I would very much like to see videos of this nature on this topic again.
5:03 how ironic.
Yes more videos relating to Mystical answers regarding the force.
I’d be a darksider, because losing my individuality terrifies me, despite me myself being a collectivist
"Ironic"
Ironic. I'm an individualist but I don't think I'd mind losing my individuality after I die, since I see individuality as a living kind of thing.
You think that was JJ Abrams’ original plan before Disney and Lucasfilm change it to Exegol. Remember Art of Rise of Skywalker, And Adam Brockbank in instagram reveals concept arts of JJ Abrams wanted Coruscant as the final battle not Exegol. From the book: “Instead of finding his way to Exegol, in the early November 2017 version of The Rise of Skywalker story, Kylo Ren instead takes his shuttle to a desolate, ash-covered Coruscant, the once bustling city streets now overrun by giant wolves. Inside the abandoned Jedi Temple, Kylo takes a central elevator down to the temple's deepest level." That deeply ties in with *Jedi Temple built over the Sith Shrine*
It would be so much better Palpatine's ghost has a powerful attachment to the Sith Shrine, or Kylo Ren wants helps to escape chaos it is better than that mess of the clone and final order. It makes me believe that Lucasfilm want to created Exegol to promote the High republic or the acolyte series. I feel bad for JJ Abrams because Rise of Skywalker is in fact a rushed production and executive and higher ups change ideas during mid production. They could’ve gave them more time to proof read and contact Lucas story group. And I believe JJ want to honor Colin Trevorrow’s vision, Duels of Fate, of trying to bring Coruscant in Rise of Skywalker.
"there is no death. There is only the force. And it has a plan"
-Darth goddamn Marr!
A selfless sith that's a rarity
At least it ain’t the Warp
Wait, so if you lose your individuality, and go back into the cosmic force, does that mean anyone who's alive and uses the force is actually using the energy of the dead?
And the force is actually getting stronger the more people die?
That would be why the Force seems to have a will and can act on its own, because the Force is just all the dead people in the universe
So the Force is basically just a cosmic form of "The Borg"?
@@cartooncritique6625 Basically, sort of
I for one would love a few more mystical Force videos.
Kool stuff some clarification on some things I did not know x
You didn't mention Darth Marr!
3:55 I thought that was Qui-Gon Jinn 😂
“Eternal life is the ultimate goal of the Sith, yet they can never achieve it”- Qui-Gon Jinn
Emperor Vitiate- “Am I a joke to you?” 😂😂🤣🤣
Which is precisely why SWTOR is STUPID. Thank god it’s not canon anymore.
KOTOR I&II need to be reinstated though
@@Arander92 What is wrong with SWTOR? The game is fantastic, also Vitiate is in KOTOR as well, he was the one who first turned Revan to the dark side.
@@crimansizers5840 I've played both KOTORs, and there hasn't been ONE single appearance from, or mention of Vitiate, in EITHER game.
If you actually pay attention, Kreia states that Revan had actually found the Trayus Academy, and turned to the Dark Side during the near-end of the Mandalorian Wars, and out of necessity, as opposed to a fall. She also states that he left to face an "unknown threat," which lends possible credence to a Sith Emperor, but until SWTOR, nothing, in terms of what Revan left to fight, was set in stone.
So, before you make stupid claims about a Sith Emperor being in KOTOR, actually play the games lmao.
Also, Vitiate never actually achieved eternal life. He only managed to cheat death for over 1000 years, while splitting his conscience between bodies. Therefore, he was NOT immortal, he was just extremely strong-willed.
@@Arander92 you know how to anger old republic era fan
Somone should stop Palpetine for coming back from the dead over and over again. He brings unbalance to the force.
"Siths wants to live forever but they can never achive this"
"Ironic"
Well as someone who plays a south inquisitor in SWTOR I can certainly say that they do.
Qui-gon wasn't as selfless in my opinion. In fact, I'd say he was kinda grey. He tend to be very individualistic and tend to try to get away with everything, thinking he was always right. Or that's the idea I got of him while reading Legends.
Please do a in-depth video about the Null ARC
woaah the star wars universe approach to death is very similar to Process Theology, i wonder if that influenced it
Mostly good video, however there is one example that destroys a lot of your reasoning, that being Darth Kallig, one of the sith emperor's greatest enemies. He could manifest anywhere he wanted, he could even manifest across the galaxy from where his body and tomb were. He was powerful enough to kill. He manifested on a sith starfighter mid hyperspace jump to talk to one of his descendants, which you can see in the SWTOR sith inquisitor storyline.
The force is true self making a cartoon map of itself
I know this video was focusing on the Sith, but I am curious about how Mother Talzin became some sort of force ghost. The Nightsisters practice the dark side, right? So theorically however she held on, sith might be able to learn?
How do Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters fit then?
they're cheaters
Darth Marr was able to retain himself after dying as a force ghost
Excellent summary for Force Ghosts 👍
I'd always pictured them being something like poltergeists. Causing chaos and destruction even after death. At least the lesser sith anyway
The major problem for Sith that use Essence Transfer, based on canon now, is the target host needs to have an m-count equal to or higher than the Sith's. We can see what happened when Palpatine used this in the underrated sequel series with his clone. It was deteriorating overtime.
To me the whole dissolving into the force thing is one of the more grimdark things from the Star Wars universe. It's actually incredibly shuddering and disturbing to think about, and I don't know if it's better or worse than just the idea of "there is no soul and it's just lights out." If I lived in the Star Wars universe and found out this truth I'd do anything in my power to resist it too, or deny the Force any part of me on death by destroying my own spirit since it really sounds like a spiritual parasite when framed this way.
I really hate talking about the S trilogy as cannon. But the topic you discussed was still amazing and informative nonetheless.
There was one, one who became a force ghost, the late darth Marr.
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What happens to non force-sensitive folk, after death? That's what I want to know.
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I've got to agree with the sith's perspective on this one. My soul seasing to be an individual, sounds like essentially oblivion.
I think that it would nice to have a video with a definitive answer to what the force truly is, and, if you do make a video like that (if you haven’t already) is the force, or the will of the force, to any extent, an amalgamation/hive-mind comprised of the minds of all who have died in the past? And if so to what extent, as in, is the force just everyone who has ever died, or is everyone who has ever died just one part of the force
When grand inquisitors said they were things worse than death. I'm pretty sure he didn't realize if he killed himself he wouldn't be going to the force. :-) And even if he was freed from his chains in the temple, he would just go straight to chaos. Unless he decided to finally surrender himself to the force.
Can you do a video on what The CIS did with Captured republic bases and Vice versa?
Man lucas really nerfed the best side of the force, i must say, the force is really picky in who it wants to keep
I think it greatly depends on if you adhere to star wars legends or the new obscenely bs cannon.
@saber 1616 Lol didn't know I was hiding. Hi saber, I could say the same thing
Personally, I prefer Legends, but I wouldn't objectively declare Canon to be "obscenely bullshit," because there's more to it than ridiculous continuity labels.
@@GayFishYe my biggest problem with the new cannon is probably the complete disregard and lack of respect for all the work that was put into the expanded universe and galactic history that they were all like well we don't need that never did.
I actually liked this video. Question though, how do the ghosts that the Sith Inquisitor binds fit in? I know several are bound to something in death, but I have a feeling at least once isn't
@@A2ndVoice How does swtor's rendition of Sith spirits not agree with the assertion that the Will of the Force has no respect for the Sith?
@@A2ndVoice The Force having a will does not preclude individuals having their own. The Force can be "intelligent" (although the notion that it is in and of itself an individual or absolute will is too abrahamic for the Star Wars universe) without being all-powerful. The Force is literally everywhere and permeates everything. It doesn't withdraw its favours. That doesn't mean the Force wills any of the atrocities the Sith commit with it. The Sith themselves do not even acknowledge the will of the Force, that is strictly a Jedi notion. And to think the Force equally wills the Jedi to fight the Sith and the Sith to fuck over normies makes it a rather childish and whimsical entity.
I think what rather happens is that the will of the Force is far from binding. It does exist, but heeding it takes calm and tranquility, rather than strong emotions and zealous purpose. Hence the Jedi philosophy being what it is. Following the will of the Force, the natural flow of things, is at once a choice and a real struggle. Meanwhile, not following it and instead taking on the gifts of the Force for one's own goals is both easier and devastating. This devastation manifests into the Sith's ultimately destructive paths (and no, light side Sith are non-existant and so are "grey Jedi" who can draw the corrupting power of the dark side and avoid the corruption part), and also in the "many abilities some consider to be unnatural" Palpatine alludes to. Abilities like bringing back the dead, an extremely obscure ability the Jedi of the era knew nothing of. Abilities like Force Lightning, an ultimate tool for dealing out death in a painful manner. Or, if you look to Legends, abilities like Sith Alchemy, Essence Transfer, mind control, aura of uneasiness and the waves of darkness from Tales of the Jedi.
@@A2ndVoice Except it doesn't. Name one natural occurrence of the dark side that is not tied to an individual turning to the dark side and doing some evil shit
@@A2ndVoice Korriban. Theorised to have spawned the Sith. Theorised. By whom? By you? There is nothing that says the Sith sprouted of holes from the ground of Korriban, instead of Korriban being the home of a species of Force-sensitives who collectively fell to the Dark Side and made their home reflect their leanings. Like happens for the creation of other dark side nexi. And the Ones are individuals, they are not manifestations of the Force's will. If they were, and if the Force's will really was binding, Anakin would not have been able to just leave. But he did. If balance to the force really was equal light equal darkness, then the Son would never have been able to grow more powerful than his father as he did.
Also, I don't pretend any of this is real. So back off with that weird outburst. The only "grey" that is worth a damn is Gandalf, and he wore the grey not because he was an edgeboi who wanted to use Force lightning and not fall to the Dark Side, but because he was humble and did not seek to stand out, or to command respect by looking pristine and lordly.
After this description, I'm compelled to suggest there is a major difference between the concept of "Eternal Life" and the idea of "Living Forever".
The Senate lives on forever.