What a lovely morning for us in Dawlish 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃 I think the new wall did better then the old one would have done. Can't stop the high waves what ever you do. Not with the wind as well coming inshore. Thanks for all your hard work on keeping your site going so we can see what's going on down the road. So to speak.
These trains might be Diesel Electric powered at this location but they are equipped to run from the overhead power lines further east! Thus the pantographs and other electrical gear on top of the train wouldn't like all that Salt Water being dumped in sporadic quantities on it! Time to reopen the inland route between Exeter and Newton Abbott and only run local DMU's on this Dawlish section?
Then due to costs and wanting to be "eco" diesel routes through exeter-newton abbot get progressivley reduced which sees towns shrink with increased unemployment and reduced tourism until the lines go dead and become bus only services like in north devon like which killed the inland routes in the first place. To which we thank Beechings cousin... robert graffham.
Quite a contrast in the quantity of water reaching the track on the old wall compared to the new bit where it is pretty much just spray carried by the wind rather than direct hits of water.
Simple solution: 1 Put up a notice at the point after the line to Exeter Central comes off the GW main line to the west with the words: *ONLY TRAINS HAULED BY STEAM LOCOMOTIVES MAY PROCEED BEYOND THIS NOTICE* 2 Order the necessary rolling stock. The Hitachis are already in trouble because of the cracks
@@td6369Points of attachment of yaw damper brackets and of body lifting slots. Somewhere else as well. Body shells are made of an unusual type of aluminium alloy. Problem had not been resolved in mid October.
As someone who was on the orginal train which broke down, they announced that the "rescue train" had also broken down with the same problems... the engines not working. With the engines not working it also meant the only way onto or off the train was through the drivers door. After about an our stopped at Dawlish the lights went out on the orignal train, which also meant no PA, and no running order resulting in the toilets being put out of order
Marvellous. This is progress,Not. Feel so sorry for u. The railway is a total joke these days. I should know,I'm ex railway and bailed out after privatisation .
If it makes you feel better, in America Amtrak wanted to buy Siemens Chargers but found out in time that they don't work in deep snow. The order for 73 new engines is on hold waiting a fix, while their old Genesis engines are frequently breaking down.
I have also heard they have wheel slippage issues, and problems with drawbars on tighter curves. I honestly think it would be a better idea in most places to rebuild the P42DCs.
When Hitachi designed these units no one said “by the way, they need to be able to cope with a few thousand litres of sea water coming from all directions” Why they sent another IET unit to recover the washed out one, i just can’t fathom ! Where’s the Thunderbird diesel locos ?
In the 60's I was a paperboy in Plymouth and in Winter it was not uncommon for the paper train from London to be delayed due to the closure of the Rail line at Dawlish.
I often watch live streams from your channel. Today I found this video from explore/trending page. Feeling happy! I can see the storm from my end without going there.
Very reassuring to see that nothing ever really changes. You can rely on life to soldier on delivering what it always does - death, taxation and delayed and cancelled trains :) !!!
Brunel tried and failed with his atmospheric trains, modern submarine trains don't appear to be faring much better. It must have been really scary for the passengers stuck in the train. I was pleased to see that the wall stood up to the battering it took. Reopening the inland route via Oakhampton must be looking a bit more realistic today.
Should have been upgraded and reopened many years ago, with Dawlish as a tourist route for sight-seeing, while primary service trains use the much better inland route.
O my gosh brings back memories of the 2013storms.lived in Dawlish for 5yrs from 2013 18.miss you a lot . thanks for web cam I can return without getting wet 🤣👍
I used to commute from St Ives to London every Friday morning , and home again on the Sunday night sleeper. I lost count of the many,many batterings we got by the weather at Dawlish. The sea would often come through the open vestibule windows as alighting passengers would fail to shut the windows as they left the train at previous stations.
2005 Pendolino's say hi. (Dawlish resident who walked along the wall many thousands of times over 21 years) Lyme bay in general and Dawlish beach especially are a crecent shape so during a storm surge as waves come in they are channeled along the sides and into the center where it meets a vertical wall and is concentrated, that energy can only go up and over the tracks. Most other beaches have a slope of sand (gravel here) which helps decrease the energy by the time it reaches the wall as the surge has to fight against gravity as it travels up the beach, albeit less effective at higher tides. The area north of langstone rock doesn't have this but it does have a boulder breakwater and it works fine. Boats cove is a similar shape however lacks both sand and breakwater so has no way to disperse this energy and instead focuses it. What is needed is concrete piles driven into the seabed slightly off shore with "shards" on top, That decreases the total energy coming into the system, Then a boulder breakwater at the wall to decrease the remaining energy. It won't look good and fishing might have to be moved (unless there was a clear gap) and it'll be more expensive than a slightly taller wall....But if keeping the touristism in dawlish/teignmouth and railway link to the south west was the actual goal, there's the solution and I doubt I'm the first to think of it. "it protect the town and region for at least the next 100 years". What like the last one did? The wall pushes even further into the sea so how long before the top of the wall gets lifted up and over?
@@theuktrainspotter1147 probably worth arranging to have a few around then, especially in areas where that type of breakdown has happened before. Fairly simple matter to have them on standby when the weather forecast shows storms. We get several storms of this speed every year. Ah, well. Thanks anyway 👍
Oh I love this part of the UK. I have to take that train journey on the coast. I would love to be on that train as the waves crashes over it. I just love stormy weather😊. MY NEXT DAY TRIP
The full wall is expected to be completed in 2024, but nay be delayed due to planning approval for the station (with its new lift). Periodically there is a YT uodate published.
So the Voyagers couldn't handle these high waves and it seems like the IET's can't handle them either. I'm also surprised that they chose to rescue the failed IET with another IET (which would have been prone to failing for the exact same reason) - why couldn't they have used a loco like a 37, 47, 56, 66 or even a pair of 43s coupled together? My opinion: why did we scrap all the HST coaches - we should have kept the HSTs and refurbished them...
It's strange that GWR decided to send the whole train (from the same series obviously suffering a strong allergy to bad damp and windy weather conditions) in guise of a rescue unit instead of a single locomotive to pull the broke down train?
Can't be done any more. The Thunderbirds (converted class 57s) carrying couplers and connectors allowing them to control Voyagers and Pendolinos etc. have gone back to Porterbrook. The only way of rescuing an IET, currently, is to send out another one!!
There's clearly no rescue diesels (thunderbirds) down there. Maybe the SDR should fit the right couplings to a preseved loco (mainline certified) and have it ready to go when the forecast looks bad? Would be a laugh to see these modern trains rescued by a Class 50 or whatever!
Yes we need to remember the new wall is to strengthen and protect the footings that the railway is based on. It’s not there as a windbreak or to stop spray during rough seas. It appears extremely substantial to me! 😊
What would it be like in an 80-90mph wind though, it's seems these IET's don't like heavy sea's spraying on them. Cross Country cancelled all of their services West of Exeter I believe due to the rough sea!. Re-open Okehampton to Bere Alston and solve this problem .
I often wondered in places like this whether concrete could be laid with patterns of the Tesla Valve in it, so striking water would be driven back against itself through its own force and drained away. Of course, dumping rocks and broken concrete sometimes accomplishes much of the same cheaply. Since there is a stream outlet there, the Tesla Valve might be used. It is basically a one-way valve with no moving parts.
We lived right on the seafront, I always remember my husband saying the first day we moved in, "this place is haunted, the settee just moved, I felt it"! It wasn't haunted, it was when the sea hit the seawall the building shook, my nerves couldn't stand it, we woke with the bed shaking one night, I looked out of the window, and part of the railway platform had disappeared in the storm! We left, lovely in summer, but the winter storms were something else! 🤷
It seems a lot of discussion on unsuitable and non weather proof stock, but what I notice is the inability to connect multiple units and not have through passenger connectivity. I know that aerodynamics have taken over from the old barndoor fronted multiple unit stock but at least they could be connected together and allow full access for passengers. They also had the ability to be split into two or three trains serving different destinations en-route, being easy for passengers to move into the correct part for one's destination. Woking, Three Bridges and Horsham were stations where trains were split into 2 or 3 trains or joined together to or from different South Coast towns.
The biggest issue I see is a lack of universal coupling standard. If there was a standard universal type it could have been rescued by something far less vulnerable to the weather
OK, fit the Diesels with snorkels or some onboard oxygen to run through this bit and with some extra winter shielding, trains might be a lot more reliable.
Hitachi needs to do something about it, because if it happened twice, its going to happen again. If it’s just the diesel engine that broke down, than they can try fixing that, but if the train’s not designed to run in salt water than i think it’s a matter of time before other parts also start breaking down… As a Japanese (not related to Hitachi), I’m quite sad and feel sorry that this happened…
Well, I guessed this would happen. All this money spent, and the trains still break down. As someone else commented, building the seawall all the way through to the end would be the only choice, but the cost would be prohibited. Should have opted for the inland rail line for all these fast services and keep this line for diesel or hydra den powered trains. Typical government.
All the trains seem to break down. Is this the storm or do they usually all break down? In Scotland we have trains that don't break down (not many tho).
The 3rd Train did indeed also break down. What's funny is XC (cross country) voyarger trains are banned by notwork rail from this railway line when weather is like this because they break down and these IETs are 'dawlish proof' 🤣🤣🤣 Even though voyagers have been specially modified to cope with this weather
In insurances of bad weather such as this - why couldn't the powers that be use loco hauled stock or HSTs that can withstand the weather. This could be done between Exeter and Newton Abbot for instance as a shuttle service. IETs and salt water don't mix.
I have watch the team for building the new break wall a long the beach since it started construction. The guys have done a fantastic job ! but.......... the large waves are still crashing over the wall. The common man in me says another 20 feet higher lads , so no-one gets washed off the station while waiting for a working train.
Should have sent a steam loco to rescue the IET. (Sadly,I realise this would be impossible, because the hitching and services etc would not be compatible).
@@MrJimbaloid Imagine. Tornado turns up on adjacent platform with a rake of mk 1's . Transfer of all passengers . Takes train back to nearest place to run round, then takes train wrong line back in original direction. Yes I know, complete fantasy, but I can hear the claps and cheers of the passengers!! To dream is to stay sane in this day and age....
@@TerryTheNewsGirl Moose, wasn't it more often water in the signals rather than faults on the HST's that interrupted their services. I'll tell you one thing, those GWR drivers and traincrew had some bottle yesterday, the IET trains have small cabs and cramped interiors. Not much fun having storm water thrown at you for hours. Well done, pity about the train faults! It seems Japanese manufacturing standards are going down the pan.
@@kenstevens5065 There certainly were problems to do with signalling under weather like that years ago. When Exeter Panel Signalbox was brand new in the 1980s (a project that I worked on then), that section used track circuits (ML TI-21 type), and no surprise that they failed under salt water etc. Later on, axle counters became more ‘popular’, as it were, which probably helped a bit.
Sea water. About the most hostile substance on the planet for electronic devices. It is going to be inevitable that a relief line is opened to by-pass this section. Weren't they thinking about doing this the last time this section got washed out? This section would make a great heritage railway, but not fit for main line operations. The weather is going to get ever more stormy, the sea rise higher and higher........
What a lovely morning for us in Dawlish 😃😃😃😃😃😃😃
I think the new wall did better then the old one would have done.
Can't stop the high waves what ever you do. Not with the wind as well coming inshore.
Thanks for all your hard work on keeping your site going so we can see what's going on down the road. So to speak.
They could build a canopy over the track to protect it and the trains.
These trains might be Diesel Electric powered at this location but they are equipped to run from the overhead power lines further east! Thus the pantographs and other electrical gear on top of the train wouldn't like all that Salt Water being dumped in sporadic quantities on it!
Time to reopen the inland route between Exeter and Newton Abbott and only run local DMU's on this Dawlish section?
Quite right you are.
But being Britain, we won't do that because it's too much like sensible thinking.
Brilliant reply
Then due to costs and wanting to be "eco" diesel routes through exeter-newton abbot get progressivley reduced which sees towns shrink with increased unemployment and reduced tourism until the lines go dead and become bus only services like in north devon like which killed the inland routes in the first place.
To which we thank Beechings cousin... robert graffham.
Quite a contrast in the quantity of water reaching the track on the old wall compared to the new bit where it is pretty much just spray carried by the wind rather than direct hits of water.
I went to Dawlish on holiday when I was 6. I remember the train tracks being right next to the sea, which I thought was cool.
I did when i was about 9. :)
I used to go there as child, because my Grandparents lived in Exeter. I used to think it was quite cool, too. I still do.
Who on earth buys these trains that can't get wet. Steam locos, HSTs and early diesels never broke down because they got wet.
Great video.
Just every other reason….
And that would be the DfT, well known for ardently hating the railways.
2005 Virgin Pendolino's: First time?
Westerns and Warships were pretty good too. 😀It’s very poor for 21st century technology.
Class 319's and the wrong type of snow?
It is salt water, no engine likes that
Simple solution:
1 Put up a notice at the point after the line to Exeter Central comes off the GW main line to the west with the words:
*ONLY TRAINS HAULED BY STEAM LOCOMOTIVES MAY PROCEED BEYOND THIS NOTICE*
2 Order the necessary rolling stock. The Hitachis are already in trouble because of the cracks
The alternative sign would be "abandon hope all ye who proceed beyond here".
Cracks in What. The Engines??
@@td6369Points of attachment of yaw damper brackets and of body lifting slots. Somewhere else as well. Body shells are made of an unusual type of aluminium alloy. Problem had not been resolved in mid October.
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AND if the line via OKEHAMPTON TO TAVISTOCK was opened then NO stopping of trains
As someone who was on the orginal train which broke down, they announced that the "rescue train" had also broken down with the same problems... the engines not working. With the engines not working it also meant the only way onto or off the train was through the drivers door. After about an our stopped at Dawlish the lights went out on the orignal train, which also meant no PA, and no running order resulting in the toilets being put out of order
They should of let everyone get off to go into town to get lunch.
@@sarahstrong7174 in that weather? I would rather wait on the train.
Marvellous. This is progress,Not. Feel so sorry for u. The railway is a total joke these days. I should know,I'm ex railway and bailed out after privatisation .
awful stuck on a train twice to me no way left off mind gets u trapped underground wud be Brutal
Brutal just tead full text panic anxiety attack can happen!!?
If it makes you feel better, in America Amtrak wanted to buy Siemens Chargers but found out in time that they don't work in deep snow. The order for 73 new engines is on hold waiting a fix, while their old Genesis engines are frequently breaking down.
I have also heard they have wheel slippage issues, and problems with drawbars on tighter curves. I honestly think it would be a better idea in most places to rebuild the P42DCs.
Just bring back the Baldwins and the old GE / EMD 12. We are still using them in Argentina. 40 years old and still going strong
The weather looks lovely.
When Hitachi designed these units no one said “by the way, they need to be able to cope with a few thousand litres of sea water coming from all directions”
Why they sent another IET unit to recover the washed out one, i just can’t fathom ! Where’s the Thunderbird diesel locos ?
Are they diesel or diesel electric ?
I'd say they used the 3rd train to jump start the first one as the nose was missing as it pulled away?
In the 60's I was a paperboy in Plymouth and in Winter it was not uncommon for the paper train from London to be delayed due to the closure of the Rail line at Dawlish.
They should have a diesel loco based near Dawlish for these situations!
Never got the chance to see an 18 coach IET in the end. 🙄😟😂
I often watch live streams from your channel. Today I found this video from explore/trending page. Feeling happy! I can see the storm from my end without going there.
Very reassuring to see that nothing ever really changes. You can rely on life to soldier on delivering what it always does - death, taxation and delayed and cancelled trains :) !!!
why have they not got a proper thunderbird train sat in exeter or newton when its bad like this, lot more reliable then
Brunel tried and failed with his atmospheric trains, modern submarine trains don't appear to be faring much better. It must have been really scary for the passengers stuck in the train. I was pleased to see that the wall stood up to the battering it took. Reopening the inland route via Oakhampton must be looking a bit more realistic today.
Should have been upgraded and reopened many years ago, with Dawlish as a tourist route for sight-seeing, while primary service trains use the much better inland route.
@@mervynsands3501 I think it will happen eventually.
O my gosh brings back memories of the 2013storms.lived in Dawlish for 5yrs from 2013 18.miss you a lot . thanks for web cam I can return without getting wet 🤣👍
2014 was the storm
this is an awesome video thanks DBA, now i have to have another cuppa!
Great vid! Some strange goings on there, and no doubt some rusty iet’s now in service 😆
I used to commute from St Ives to London every Friday morning , and home again on the Sunday night sleeper. I lost count of the many,many batterings we got by the weather at Dawlish. The sea would often come through the open vestibule windows as alighting passengers would fail to shut the windows as they left the train at previous stations.
I thought train spotting up north has been grim recently but this beats it hands down
waves or spray, I STILL wouldn't fancy being the train driver in those conditions! Hats off to them.
Sea breeze cam 😂
Ar mate thanks I throughly enjoyed that (sorry to inconvenienced) it was an excellent watch.
God that transition was seamless! amazing work!
2005 Pendolino's say hi.
(Dawlish resident who walked along the wall many thousands of times over 21 years)
Lyme bay in general and Dawlish beach especially are a crecent shape so during a storm surge as waves come in they are channeled along the sides and into the center where it meets a vertical wall and is concentrated, that energy can only go up and over the tracks.
Most other beaches have a slope of sand (gravel here) which helps decrease the energy by the time it reaches the wall as the surge has to fight against gravity as it travels up the beach, albeit less effective at higher tides.
The area north of langstone rock doesn't have this but it does have a boulder breakwater and it works fine. Boats cove is a similar shape however lacks both sand and breakwater so has no way to disperse this energy and instead focuses it.
What is needed is concrete piles driven into the seabed slightly off shore with "shards" on top, That decreases the total energy coming into the system, Then a boulder breakwater at the wall to decrease the remaining energy.
It won't look good and fishing might have to be moved (unless there was a clear gap) and it'll be more expensive than a slightly taller wall....But if keeping the touristism in dawlish/teignmouth and railway link to the south west was the actual goal, there's the solution and I doubt I'm the first to think of it.
"it protect the town and region for at least the next 100 years".
What like the last one did? The wall pushes even further into the sea so how long before the top of the wall gets lifted up and over?
Would it not have been a better idea to send diesel engines to rescue the broken down IETs? Old school class 37, 47 etc?
That would be to sensible by half.
They could have, but the problem was that there were none in the area, therefore they had to use a IET instead
@@theuktrainspotter1147 probably worth arranging to have a few around then, especially in areas where that type of breakdown has happened before. Fairly simple matter to have them on standby when the weather forecast shows storms. We get several storms of this speed every year. Ah, well. Thanks anyway 👍
Oh I love this part of the UK. I have to take that train journey on the coast. I would love to be on that train as the waves crashes over it. I just love stormy weather😊. MY NEXT DAY TRIP
Used to do it as a kid. More fun then because the windows opened. Showing my age now, eh?
Some quite beautiful shots.Cheers!
Great channel 😎 Fondest regards from Teignmouth. 😊♥️
Thanks
My next holiday destination. I want to see that beach
Me too :)
The beach is about a mile inland by now😉
WHY??
The full wall is expected to be completed in 2024, but nay be delayed due to planning approval for the station (with its new lift). Periodically there is a YT uodate published.
I haven’t heard “....it’s the wrong type of water on the tracks yet ...” no doubt that will come!
Ah the good old days of British Rail Wrong kind of snow!!
I was waiting for that as well Chris , bit like the wind in the wrong direction in Scotland !
Dumb attracts dumb I suppose. Nice to see you're all here
So the Voyagers couldn't handle these high waves and it seems like the IET's can't handle them either.
I'm also surprised that they chose to rescue the failed IET with another IET (which would have been prone to failing for the exact same reason) - why couldn't they have used a loco like a 37, 47, 56, 66 or even a pair of 43s coupled together?
My opinion: why did we scrap all the HST coaches - we should have kept the HSTs and refurbished them...
No, the HSTs were getting too old
A Thunderbird rescue engine/train needs to have compatible couplings/air brake connections/power to join up. Hence another IET.
Because the coaches will eventually start rotting away which would NOT BE SAFE
That was a very weird storm. By 11.30 (Devon) it had blown itself out, which was not what was forecast.
The HSTs used to cope just fine
Wow amazing scene congrats on 54k subs
This is one good reason the North Devon line to Plymouth should be reopened ASAP then there wouldn't be any delays,
The line at Dawlish may be affected by the sea but the line from Plymouth to Okehampton suffered from snowdrifts.
@@brucecohen3001 with global warming I don't think that's going to be a big problem for much longer where as it Will affect the sea wall,
@@joginns778 Except there's no such thing as "global warming"- even the climate alarmists have stopped using that term.
@@brucecohen3001 Cheerful - a line for each season !!!!
Oh my! Glad I wasn't home depending on the trains to get me back to Totnes! Were there passengers still on the broken-down loco?!
Thank you for sharing your video. Greetings and stay safe, Petes
Hard to believe looking at those pictures but I once got badly sunburned at Dawlish. 🤣
Time to get serious and reopen the LSWR line via Okehampton.
The definition of madness: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
It's strange that GWR decided to send the whole train (from the same series obviously suffering a strong allergy to bad damp and windy weather conditions) in guise of a rescue unit instead of a single locomotive to pull the broke down train?
Ludicrous, eh?
Can't be done any more. The Thunderbirds (converted class 57s) carrying couplers and connectors allowing them to control Voyagers and Pendolinos etc. have gone back to Porterbrook. The only way of rescuing an IET, currently, is to send out another one!!
Hi was watching some of it earlier lets hope the sea doesn’t get any rougher in the future 💨💧
Hi there I visited dawlish in the summer what a wonderful place unlike what I am looking at now. 🤶🤶🎄🎄
There's clearly no rescue diesels (thunderbirds) down there. Maybe the SDR should fit the right couplings to a preseved loco (mainline certified) and have it ready to go when the forecast looks bad? Would be a laugh to see these modern trains rescued by a Class 50 or whatever!
Even better, send a steam locomotive just for the mockery…
What were GWR thinking sending another IET as a rescue train knowing the first one had succumbed so easily to the conditions?
Good test for the new wall. I've been following the construction progress with great interest.
Yep, it seems the new walls don't work.
Yes we need to remember the new wall is to strengthen and protect the footings that the railway is based on. It’s not there as a windbreak or to stop spray during rough seas. It appears extremely substantial to me! 😊
What would it be like in an 80-90mph wind though, it's seems these IET's don't like heavy sea's spraying on them. Cross Country cancelled all of their services West of Exeter I believe due to the rough sea!. Re-open Okehampton to Bere Alston and solve this problem .
Time to re-build the line from Okehampton to Plymouth for just such eventualities?
@John 2E0GTU Don't they have a cab at each end these days?
@John 2E0GTU So - it`s not that difficult.
I wonder if these breakdowns were caused by not remembering that salt water is way more conductive than rain water when designing them....hmmmm
I often wondered in places like this whether concrete could be laid with patterns of the Tesla Valve in it, so striking water would be driven back against itself through its own force and drained away. Of course, dumping rocks and broken concrete sometimes accomplishes much of the same cheaply. Since there is a stream outlet there, the Tesla Valve might be used. It is basically a one-way valve with no moving parts.
My father when the line was bombed ran from Exeter up along the moors & down into Newton Abbot. The GWR need to open that line.
So surely when weather like this is occurring then the IET and Voyager trains cannot be allowed on the sea wall section.
They are not. Had a CrossCountry service terminate at Exeter. Everyone had to transfer to GWR, which stalled shortly after the walls.
look how quickly that weather changed in 3 hours
Or the tide went out?
Yes watched all this unfold today those 800s not much good in a storm!
No but like a storm they’re good at bringing catenary down
Not much good for anything!!
We lived right on the seafront, I always remember my husband saying the first day we moved in, "this place is haunted, the settee just moved, I felt it"! It wasn't haunted, it was when the sea hit the seawall the building shook, my nerves couldn't stand it, we woke with the bed shaking one night, I looked out of the window, and part of the railway platform had disappeared in the storm! We left, lovely in summer, but the winter storms were something else! 🤷
I used to go to school on this line and when the weather was bad the guard would tell everyone to close the windows to stop the sea water getting in.
It seems a lot of discussion on unsuitable and non weather proof stock, but what I notice is the inability to connect multiple units and not have through passenger connectivity. I know that aerodynamics have taken over from the old barndoor fronted multiple unit stock but at least they could be connected together and allow full access for passengers. They also had the ability to be split into two or three trains serving different destinations en-route, being easy for passengers to move into the correct part for one's destination. Woking, Three Bridges and Horsham were stations where trains were split into 2 or 3 trains or joined together to or from different South Coast towns.
The biggest issue I see is a lack of universal coupling standard. If there was a standard universal type it could have been rescued by something far less vulnerable to the weather
Either the the line needs rerouting inland or a much higher and stronger sea wall is needed. My sympathies because neither is a cheap fix.
Ticket costs will pay for it, or public taxes.
@@CycolacFan both.
Yet more ammunition to seriously consider reopening the closed LSWR route via Okehampton and Bere Ferrers
What a clever idea - send an IET to rescue a salted IET. Both become failures. All those hours stuck on their horrible plywood seats! Progress? 😱
With weather like this you will need a new sea wall before the other one is fully completed
OK, fit the Diesels with snorkels or some onboard oxygen to run through this bit and with some extra winter shielding, trains might be a lot more reliable.
umbrellas that can be deployed from the cab. job jobbed
Wow that is amazing
So has any bright spark suggested electrifying this bit of line yet?
great idea electricity + sea spray what could possibly go wrong......
Works ok at Ardrossan. The issue though is the water short circuiting the roof-mounted brake resistors.
@@ThermoMan Ardrossan is a lovely place. This idea is still stupid though.
i spent a week in dawlish decades ago, loved it
I hope it wasn't a week stuck on a broken down train...
Hitachi needs to do something about it, because if it happened twice, its going to happen again.
If it’s just the diesel engine that broke down, than they can try fixing that, but if the train’s not designed to run in salt water than i think it’s a matter of time before other parts also start breaking down…
As a Japanese (not related to Hitachi), I’m quite sad and feel sorry that this happened…
I used to travel on this line as a kid from Kingswere to Paddington on the Torbay express.
hi from Ireland Fantastic views video wild sea yeh well done n drivers more
Well, I guessed this would happen. All this money spent, and the trains still break down. As someone else commented, building the seawall all the way through to the end would be the only choice, but the cost would be prohibited. Should have opted for the inland rail line for all these fast services and keep this line for diesel or hydra den powered trains. Typical government.
The inland rail route would be enormously more expensive
trains that stop with a bit of sea water, who designed those?
Big hello tae Jimmy that work's at Dawlish. Hail,Hail pal
Yeah, really terrifying, Looks like decent fishing weather to me.
Just install a periscope and you've got an Astute class.
Great vlog so interesting 👍
All the trains seem to break down. Is this the storm or do they usually all break down?
In Scotland we have trains that don't break down (not many tho).
I love that bit of coast.
It’s where steam trains used to take on water 😉😂🤔
I think it is where all trains take on water at certain times of the year
@@roboftherock Exactly 👍
Turned out nice, mind.
Que locura hacer pasar un tren por la orilla del mar un toque y al mar Dios los proteja 😱🙏🙏🙏🇦🇷
How's the new sea wall holding up?
The 3rd Train did indeed also break down. What's funny is XC (cross country) voyarger trains are banned by notwork rail from this railway line when weather is like this because they break down and these IETs are 'dawlish proof' 🤣🤣🤣 Even though voyagers have been specially modified to cope with this weather
In insurances of bad weather such as this - why couldn't the powers that be use loco hauled stock or HSTs that can withstand the weather. This could be done between Exeter and Newton Abbot for instance as a shuttle service. IETs and salt water don't mix.
Surely the good old HSTs didn’t fail like these at Dawlish….
Surprised the trains couldn't continue because of seaweed on the line !!....maybe next hey!
Or crabs and starfish 🤣
So after all that investment to protect Dawlish, the line still closes...
but not for several months at a time.
Yep...the lines are fine now...it's just the junk train units they haven't thought about...
Why do these trains break down so often?
Cuz hitachi
The issue here is supposedly sea water getting into the electrical systems on top
so what train was overhanging on the bridge, was it the tail end of the one in the station ??
I wonder if mr Tamblyn lives there still.
So the rescue train gave the first broken down train a jump start did it? 😃🚝
I have watch the team for building the new break wall a long the beach since it started construction. The guys have done a fantastic job ! but.......... the large waves are still crashing over the wall. The common man in me says another 20 feet higher lads , so no-one gets washed off the station while waiting for a working train.
Are you talking about the section by the station?
@@AndreiTupolev If extreme weather and erosion increases not being able to see the view will be the least of our worries.
Could breaking down due to water can happen to any other types of trains? Or is it just the IETs?
No, Cross Country Voyagers have the same problem. No lesson learnt??
@@12crepello No
I suppose it Could Happen to any sort of units, that have there engines below the bogies
Just these pieces of junk.
@@TerryTheNewsGirl True
Was it a class 802 that failed ?
Should have sent a steam loco to rescue the IET. (Sadly,I realise this would be impossible, because the hitching and services etc would not be compatible).
It would be possible with an emergency coupler to use any buffered locomotive as long as it had air brakes.
Steam would really be something though wouldn't it.
@@MrJimbaloid Imagine. Tornado turns up on adjacent platform with a rake of mk 1's . Transfer of all passengers . Takes train back to nearest place to run round, then takes train wrong line back in original direction. Yes I know, complete fantasy, but I can hear the claps and cheers of the passengers!! To dream is to stay sane in this day and age....
Never had these problems with the 125s.
Well, not often!
Never.
@@TerryTheNewsGirl Moose, wasn't it more often water in the signals rather than faults on the HST's that interrupted their services. I'll tell you one thing, those GWR drivers and traincrew had some bottle yesterday, the IET trains have small cabs and cramped interiors. Not much fun having storm water thrown at you for hours. Well done, pity about the train faults! It seems Japanese manufacturing standards are going down the pan.
@@kenstevens5065 There certainly were problems to do with signalling under weather like that years ago. When Exeter Panel Signalbox was brand new in the 1980s (a project that I worked on then), that section used track circuits (ML TI-21 type), and no surprise that they failed under salt water etc. Later on, axle counters became more ‘popular’, as it were, which probably helped a bit.
Sea water. About the most hostile substance on the planet for electronic devices. It is going to be inevitable that a relief line is opened to by-pass this section. Weren't they thinking about doing this the last time this section got washed out? This section would make a great heritage railway, but not fit for main line operations. The weather is going to get ever more stormy, the sea rise higher and higher........
I was on a train in August one year when the sea was like this.
Those poor passengers, left on the train in that storm for 3 hours straight :(
They weren’t.
Crazy victorians building the railway so close to the sea
I know, 10 feet back and it would have been safe!
@@JohnnyMotel99 10ft back and you’d have put it in a tunnel and bulldozed a nice chunk of Dawlish!
@@iman2341 /jk