I hit 93 miles on the odometer today, it’s a great bike overall I don’t have a talaria or surron to compare it to but its always able to take me where I need to go and back, with still enough battery to ride around more. I usually just be cruisin on it but if you want that power it’s Lowkey got it. We will have to see what type of parts they come out with for the bike in the next year or so.
@@nbcursed1552 yeah! I think too many people hyper focus on the few reviews who got less than 30 miles per charge on sport. But have these people who worry so much about the range ACTUALLY ride more than 30 miles? I get exhausted riding an e-moto any more than 25 miles a day. Granted I’ve done a few range tests on my Razor and Talaria for 50 miles per charge (to test range on aftermarket batteries), but it was no fun lol.
@@PatOutdoors yeah fr, In all the range test videos they’re wide open in sport or race mode the whole time, if you are riding like that it will drain a lot quicker obviously. When I ride the mantis I like to keep it in eco and just respect the power fr n then when your able to hit the throttle u can put it in sport or race, at least that makes the whole experience more fun, rather than just having it in sport/race the entire time. Range is definitely not the problem right now but it might be in the future once we start getting some power upgrades in for this bad boy.
Personally, i would love to see then release a 60v battery. Lower power would be meh but the boost in range would be well worth it. It would also be nice to be able to order the bike with the 35ah battery stock rather then the 30ah
Can you breakdown and compare the Talaria XXX and the Rawrr mantis X 72 volt because I’m still deciding which one is better for me with the similar price tag
That lil rubber block that was in your battery bay last video goes on the bottom of the seat to keep the battery tight i just used some 3m spray glue mine fell off also and that fixed it.
@@brentcollins9727 so I’m pretty happy with my Shinko 241’s on my Talaria, but they are noticeably heavier than stock. I do like that they’re smooth on the road, but had good traction in the dirt, but it makes the bike feel just a bit less nimble due to the added weight. What size do you have on your mantis?
@@E-RiderHub Depends what kind of terrain I’m riding on and what mode I’m on. I’d say closer to 25 miles if I’m riding hard on race mode off-road. But closer to 35 miles cruising on sport mode on flat ground
Hi- I just had the mantis x delivered today. After assembly , we tuned on the key and there was an error 21 code in the display and a yellow engine display. When turning the throttle it sounds like there is juice flowing but engine is turning. Any help you can provide around the error 21 code?
Well to be fair it’s probably not that useful anyway, just minor adjustments that would be hard go notice. But they definitely should email customers and tell them not to use it rather than just putting a little notice on the product page.
@@rickystafford7433 well it allowed me to disable the brake levers, kickstand safety switch, change top speed on eco mode, etc.. very small changes, but not worth the risk trying till they finish updating the app. I pretty much connected to it so see if I could change things like battery line amp output, bump the phase amps, speed, etc, but unfortunately not.
Bro do you think the mantis x is a more comfortable fit for someone 6ft 200lbs over the triple x?. If you could can you please do a short, or post a pic comparing the two in size.
@@404hxdes I just tested this today actually.. I start to notice a power drop around 60% battery life. Top speed goes down to about 45 MPH and the low end torque starts to become noticeably weaker. I’ll go over it more in my next RAWRR video
@@PatOutdoors Ok because im either getting this or the talaria xxx, but i wanna mostly use it for doordash so i dont know if the power drop would be too much. because the xxx doesnt really lose power until like %15
Sorry wrong product. This one goes 38 MPHn on ECO. Range is variable on the speed you carry, rider weight, and terrain.. but I wanna say about 40 miles on ECO cruising at about 25 MPH
Hey Pat, I have been looking into getting a RAWRR Mantis X or another kind of e moto for a while now, however I'm not sure how I can maintain it. I don't know whether I need oil or to change chains, so if you could give me a few pointers that would be much help. Thanks.
The mantis X requires the gearbox fluid to be changed every 500-600 miles. Very low maintenance otherwise, adjusting chain slack every couple rides, full bolt checks on the suspension and brake components every few months, swapping out brake pads periodically (depending how aggressively you ride), changing brake fluid every other year.. very similar maintenance to a regular mountain bike besides the addition of brake fluid. My Talaria XXX or Surron - I just have to check the belt tension to the motor every few months.
hi! what would you recommend the mantis X or the XXX? i’m in the market for a ebike for around that price and I want to know which one i should purchase
The XXX is better suited for street riding and has a slightly lower seat height, has more options for aftermarket modifications (as of this time.) The Mantis X is just a bit faster, more capable off-road, cheaper, more comfortable suspension, but has limited options for upgrades (for now.) It’s hard to answer that question without knowing what you (specifically) are planning on using the bike for.
@@PatOutdoors I’m mostly using the bike for street riding but maybe i’ll do a little light off roading on a trail but I could always get hybrid tires for the xxx
@@zaza_grows_only6689 yes, that’s supposed to be there. Like mountain bike forks (Fox, Rockshox, etc) it’s used to measure how far down the fork compresses so you can adjust the pressure to the rider weight accordingly
@@Mr_E402 as of right now, they are only offering up to a 72V 35AH, but I’m still waiting to get those exact measurements to see if we can cram any bigger. Limitation is it being under the seat so you can’t just swap out a cover on top of it (like on Surron’s)
Well technically speaking your video label is incorrect, you personally didn't fix it, Rawrr mantis Incorporated fixed it for you on your behalf and then send it to you in the mail😅
Agreed it is not good Edit: let me be clear that it’s not 100% accurate, the mileage on the screen so the range is slightly better than I previously thought. I think I could get max of 30-40 miles if I conserved the power and didn’t go full throttle a lot
I really hope they get this crap worked out. It’s annoying buying a new bike and not being able to use the full functionality. They should have waited to release the bike till this crap was worked out. I love the bike but I hate that it’s limited by software, has no regen braking and it really needs the regen braking for the smaller capacity battery to really get the most from the bike.
Regen is worthless. The amount of energy you get back is negligible at best. Better to coast when you let off the throttle rather than have your bike slowed down every time you let off the throttle. A regen thumb throttle is nice tho you can use it instead of your brakes and save your brake pads.
@@MotoAlias I think it depends where you are riding it. In suburbs or even country side where you are able to ride and coast without the need to stop too often, I 100% agree with you. In the city when you have to constantly stop, I have found regency braking to help a lot. Since you have to slow down before stopping, I’ve found the regen breaking to help a lot
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Yeah pat back on the mantis x get some!!!!!!!
I hit 93 miles on the odometer today, it’s a great bike overall I don’t have a talaria or surron to compare it to but its always able to take me where I need to go and back, with still enough battery to ride around more. I usually just be cruisin on it but if you want that power it’s Lowkey got it. We will have to see what type of parts they come out with for the bike in the next year or so.
@@nbcursed1552 yeah! I think too many people hyper focus on the few reviews who got less than 30 miles per charge on sport. But have these people who worry so much about the range ACTUALLY ride more than 30 miles? I get exhausted riding an e-moto any more than 25 miles a day. Granted I’ve done a few range tests on my Razor and Talaria for 50 miles per charge (to test range on aftermarket batteries), but it was no fun lol.
@@PatOutdoors yeah fr, In all the range test videos they’re wide open in sport or race mode the whole time, if you are riding like that it will drain a lot quicker obviously. When I ride the mantis I like to keep it in eco and just respect the power fr n then when your able to hit the throttle u can put it in sport or race, at least that makes the whole experience more fun, rather than just having it in sport/race the entire time. Range is definitely not the problem right now but it might be in the future once we start getting some power upgrades in for this bad boy.
Are there any street tires ?
could you do a review on the freego x2? Its a $2500 bike from china with a claimed top speed of 50 mph
Yeah I've seen that also but on Amazon it says top speed is 60 mph but people say thr breaks are squeaky and it's not as good as a bike
Hey man I love your content can’t wait to get one
Pat back outdoors 👍 !!! Glad u back at it
Keep us updated on anything new with this bike
@@joesmoe4664 you got it!
Personally, i would love to see then release a 60v battery. Lower power would be meh but the boost in range would be well worth it. It would also be nice to be able to order the bike with the 35ah battery stock rather then the 30ah
@@tobyggen1058 Would be nice to have these options to choose, depending on buyer’s use case and priorities.
Can you breakdown and compare the Talaria XXX and the Rawrr mantis X 72 volt because I’m still deciding which one is better for me with the similar price tag
regen more range and fast charging you get with the xxx. That is huge imo. mantis might be better for 100% off road
Fr
Yes please
i have both get the mantis its faster easier to move around and more squishy and snappy and fun off roads
@@CTRLBKBEATS how is the oil change process? Does it leak?
i pray they drop some supermoto wheel sets for the mantis x🙏🏽😎
Hope so!
I’m testing to see if my talaria xxx wheels will retrofit to the mantis. I think they will.
@@jreviews5924 hope they fit perfectly
@@jreviews5924 PLEASE confirm this info and update. Would really love to spread the word on what’s possible
lets put street tires and wheels on a dirtbike. stupid
Pro tip, I would have removed those bolts given how tight they were and inspected them for streach or best just replace then.
That lil rubber block that was in your battery bay last video goes on the bottom of the seat to keep the battery tight i just used some 3m spray glue mine fell off also and that fixed it.
@@zaza_grows_only6689 yeah I just resecured mine with some 3m urethane as well
I want one of these so bad but it's still a bit pricey...
Slap on some slicker Shinko 241 tires and that should increase your speed and range a bit.
@@brentcollins9727 so I’m pretty happy with my Shinko 241’s on my Talaria, but they are noticeably heavier than stock. I do like that they’re smooth on the road, but had good traction in the dirt, but it makes the bike feel just a bit less nimble due to the added weight. What size do you have on your mantis?
@@PatOutdoors , that’s good to know. I don’t have one. My current bike is a Raev GTX.
Great vid. What kind of range are you seeing on the Mantis X
Like 30 miles
@@E-RiderHub Depends what kind of terrain I’m riding on and what mode I’m on. I’d say closer to 25 miles if I’m riding hard on race mode off-road. But closer to 35 miles cruising on sport mode on flat ground
You should race the Rawrr Mantis X and the Talaria xxx
@@EphraimBasri my Talaria XXX is modded though.. it would smoke this thing 😂
@@PatOutdoorswhat about not modded?
@@PatOutdoorswhat about not modded?
Any back light kits yet? Thinking of getting this but will not without a back light.
Pls upload a video on putting an upgraded controller on the rawrr mantis
@@ashtondube8865 as soon as one is out!
Ya can’t beat it for 3k that’s a beautiful deal. I love this bike
you can but then you have a mountainbike with 8ooow read direct drive motor :D way cheaper, and you can make it fast as you want
I can see grease already on mine. I bought it sept 1st. I think mine is ok?
Hi- I just had the mantis x delivered today. After assembly , we tuned on the key and there was an error 21 code in the display and a yellow engine display. When turning the throttle it sounds like there is juice flowing but engine is turning. Any help you can provide around the error 21 code?
I don't no why they just didn't release the updated controller to work with app!!!
I’m sure they’ll get it squared away in no time. Just wish it didn’t allow the current app to connect at all to make it impossible to mess things up.
Well to be fair it’s probably not that useful anyway, just minor adjustments that would be hard go notice. But they definitely should email customers and tell them not to use it rather than just putting a little notice on the product page.
@@rickystafford7433 well it allowed me to disable the brake levers, kickstand safety switch, change top speed on eco mode, etc.. very small changes, but not worth the risk trying till they finish updating the app. I pretty much connected to it so see if I could change things like battery line amp output, bump the phase amps, speed, etc, but unfortunately not.
What about regen braking? This bike desperately needs regen.
Bro do you think the mantis x is a more comfortable fit for someone 6ft 200lbs over the triple x?. If you could can you please do a short, or post a pic comparing the two in size.
The mantis is bigger, better suspension. I’m 235 and the recommended limit is 220 and it’s amazing for me even over the weight limit
quick question, about what percent does the bike actually start to slow down and lose power? and how much speed is lost?
@@404hxdes I just tested this today actually.. I start to notice a power drop around 60% battery life. Top speed goes down to about 45 MPH and the low end torque starts to become noticeably weaker. I’ll go over it more in my next RAWRR video
@@PatOutdoors Ok because im either getting this or the talaria xxx, but i wanna mostly use it for doordash so i dont know if the power drop would be too much. because the xxx doesnt really lose power until like %15
Thanks bro 😎
So do you think I could update my 2024 72v rawrr mantis with the app it’s not the x or mini just wondering since I don’t want to risk it
How fast does it go on eco and what is the range on eco
Sorry wrong product. This one goes 38 MPHn on ECO. Range is variable on the speed you carry, rider weight, and terrain.. but I wanna say about 40 miles on ECO cruising at about 25 MPH
Hey Pat, I have been looking into getting a RAWRR Mantis X or another kind of e moto for a while now, however I'm not sure how I can maintain it. I don't know whether I need oil or to change chains, so if you could give me a few pointers that would be much help. Thanks.
The mantis X requires the gearbox fluid to be changed every 500-600 miles. Very low maintenance otherwise, adjusting chain slack every couple rides, full bolt checks on the suspension and brake components every few months, swapping out brake pads periodically (depending how aggressively you ride), changing brake fluid every other year.. very similar maintenance to a regular mountain bike besides the addition of brake fluid. My Talaria XXX or Surron - I just have to check the belt tension to the motor every few months.
@@PatOutdoors thank you, this helped a lot take care man.
Make more videos with the mantis x
More and more coming sir, now that it’s fixed 😅
Any idea if they’re going to fix the odometer? It’s way off, which is weird because the speedometer is spot on
@@rickystafford7433 that I’m not sure of. I haven’t fully tested it myself, but the speedo is super spot on with my GPS (50 & 50)
@@PatOutdoorsit seems to be off by about half. Got my bike and really like it but I just wanna stay on top of the gear oil changes
How do you download the app it’s not letting me it says not available in your region
Torque setting FT !! Fucking tight!!
@@nobrakes7247 🤣
Can you buy another battery to throw in a backpack for long rides?
@@BustyBro batteries are pretty heavy to carry around in a backpack.. like 30-40 lbs
Feeling like I want another bike! But I’m stuck between the B2, Mantis X, or converting my TTR125L? 🤔
hi! what would you recommend the mantis X or the XXX? i’m in the market for a ebike for around that price and I want to know which one i should purchase
The XXX is better suited for street riding and has a slightly lower seat height, has more options for aftermarket modifications (as of this time.) The Mantis X is just a bit faster, more capable off-road, cheaper, more comfortable suspension, but has limited options for upgrades (for now.) It’s hard to answer that question without knowing what you (specifically) are planning on using the bike for.
@@PatOutdoors I’m mostly using the bike for street riding but maybe i’ll do a little light off roading on a trail but I could always get hybrid tires for the xxx
@@cyluslikethat that’s why I have Shinko 241’s on my XXX
The xxx is way less comfortable to ride for me than my mantis x also. Makes a huge difference on a 30 mile ride.
@@jreviews5924 alr ty for letting me know i’m probably going to get the mantis because i also like the fork lock so knowone can steel it
Hi are you able to turn the fork adjusters? Mine are stuck and wont turn at all
Are you talking about the preload and rebound adjustment knobs? Yes mine turn fine
What’s the app?
And do you have a black o ring on your left fork i have 2 mantis x and they both have a random o ring on the left fork
@@zaza_grows_only6689 yes, that’s supposed to be there. Like mountain bike forks (Fox, Rockshox, etc) it’s used to measure how far down the fork compresses so you can adjust the pressure to the rider weight accordingly
@@PatOutdoorsahh i never heard of that i have to look into it i have no idea how to adjust it to my weight
Bro w videos I wish a had a dirt bike but I don’t know if I could get one
@@Capcut_user4290 why not?
@@PatOutdoors idk if i could get one wish i could tho but keep up the videos man love ur content
@@PatOutdoors I don’t want to ask you for one because I want to earn one but keep up the good work
Is there room for a bigger battery?
@@Mr_E402 as of right now, they are only offering up to a 72V 35AH, but I’m still waiting to get those exact measurements to see if we can cram any bigger. Limitation is it being under the seat so you can’t just swap out a cover on top of it (like on Surron’s)
Anyone else’s chain come really tight ?
How to get more range out of it
Get the 35AH battery they offer. Or get a custom battery made..
Well technically speaking your video label is incorrect, you personally didn't fix it, Rawrr mantis Incorporated fixed it for you on your behalf and then send it to you in the mail😅
Yup
1:46 Slight Flex😂
🤣 Not at all! My Razors cost more than that watch
Yeah but blue faces are dope lol
the range is terrible tho
Agreed it is not good
Edit: let me be clear that it’s not 100% accurate, the mileage on the screen so the range is slightly better than I previously thought. I think I could get max of 30-40 miles if I conserved the power and didn’t go full throttle a lot
I'm not a fan of the frame design 🤔
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I agree it's atrocious
I really hope they get this crap worked out. It’s annoying buying a new bike and not being able to use the full functionality. They should have waited to release the bike till this crap was worked out. I love the bike but I hate that it’s limited by software, has no regen braking and it really needs the regen braking for the smaller capacity battery to really get the most from the bike.
Regen is worthless. The amount of energy you get back is negligible at best. Better to coast when you let off the throttle rather than have your bike slowed down every time you let off the throttle. A regen thumb throttle is nice tho you can use it instead of your brakes and save your brake pads.
In the app it shows an option for regen braking level
@@MotoAliasI second this
Not to mention you need a CAN able same port BMS and CAN controller for proper, safe and efficient regen@@MotoAlias
@@MotoAlias I think it depends where you are riding it. In suburbs or even country side where you are able to ride and coast without the need to stop too often, I 100% agree with you.
In the city when you have to constantly stop, I have found regency braking to help a lot. Since you have to slow down before stopping, I’ve found the regen breaking to help a lot