Side-By-Side Comparison: Zak George VS Dog Daddy 🤬😱🫣
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- When I challenge abusive dog training techniques, it’s easy for some to dismiss it as mere extremism. Yet, this isn’t a matter of two extremes clashing.
Consider this: My approach is in lockstep with the guidelines set by top global behavioral organizations. On the flip side, the methods I oppose? They’re not just overlooked by these experts; they’re actively condemned.
Aversive punishment-based dog training methods NEVER address the actual underlying causes of behaviors, they are known to be harmful, and there are alternatives that are more effective (for any dog), without the risks of harm.
So, ask yourself, where does extremism truly lie?
This is not a debate or a matter of opinion. It’s scientifically-backed, ethical training VS outdated, injurious practices.
Beaux is a dog from one of my classes who would have certainly lashed out in fear if he were put in a situation like the dogs who attend “Dog Daddy” workshops find themselves in.
I invite you to see the stark difference for yourself. Who is truly at the extremes?
For those who label me an extremist in dog training circles, I’d like to pose a simple question: Which aspect of these evidence-based practices do you find extreme?
Let’s delve into the specifics and demystify where our perspectives diverge.
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clearly a lot of this comment section has not been around really aggressive dogs before.
Dude seriously I am an all animal lover. I totally get you. Sweet Beau isn't the same. But what about an actual aggressive dog. What about the ones other trainers won't take on or show videos of them training. If Beau is your biggest baddest... you have not made your point yet.
Beau is not jumping or aggressive at all!
People watching should look closely at the bottom video and see that the flailing around is the aggressive actions of the dog, and NOT being pulled around by the trainer
In all the videos of the dogs flailing, dog daddy has already started grabbing for the dog and pulling them with the leash. So it seems like he’s the one who’s causing the dog to become unruly.
Agree, I'll let Zak George try to take over handling my maremma x , she will take his arm off lol, and don't try throwing treats! She 10000% protects me❤
@@rebornbabylovely congratulations on owning a dangerous dog. Someone will get bitten sooner or later, likely someone who is a friend or family.
The reason why Beau wasn’t as aggressive is because he didn’t have to be. In DDs videos he pushes the dogs outside of their comfort zone which causes the biting and jumping where as Zak takes the extra time and patience to gain the dogs trust and go at a comfortable pace for the dog.
As a fellow trainer who's worked with positive reinforcement, I've seen several dogs trained in the manner DD does and those are the dogs I've found that can unexpectedly lash out and bite later down the line. His way may be putting a bandage on the problem making it seem like the dog is trained but I completely agree with you Zak that targeting the root cause of the problem and understating what the dog is trying communicate and work with them not against them produces a healthy well-rounded dog.
Thank you for saying this. I appreciate this comment so much.
DD (I'll be somewhat adult and not write what I feel the initials *really* stand for!) really does sicken me. I'm currently 41, but back when I was a teenager, I'm ashamed to admit, I trained with somewhat dominant methods - nothing even close to what he does though.
But shortly after I started using my own version of positive reinforcement (I still hadn't discovered that it was actually a thing yet, lol) and a switch flipped for both my dogs and myself. That's when I started researching positive reinforcement only methods, and I'll defend these methods with everything I have in me.
The bond between the handler and dog are the most important thing, imo, in dog training. And forcing a dog to work "through" that fear, in such a short time, is beyond dangerous. And it does absolutely nothing to strengthen the bond - only weaken it. No one should have to do anything out of fear. There are no shortcuts in life, despite what he and his followers would like to think.
I really would love to see some follow ups from some of those dogs that DD "trained" so well.
As much as agree that this is putting a bandage on the issue, I'm increasingly worried that people are approaching animal abuse from the wrong angle.
The question here shouldn't be wether or not it "works". Those elephant abusers can genuinely say their methods work, because they do work for their purposes.
The problem is not wether abuse works for "training" an animal or not. The problem is that it's abusive, regardless.
@@animeoverdose180 ticking timebomb.
People are completely crazy if they give their dogs to a man that handles them like that. They are terrified. A lot of dogs would react in an agressive way to defend themselves if treated like that. I am honestly surprised that is accepted in the US, I think if somebody did those things in Brazil, they would get arrested. The solution is to make the dog understand we are safe to be around and that we can be trusted, like Zak does.
They aren't being handled aggressively.... they're being aggressive because they're being handled. You can't compare one calm dog with a dog that's lunging at your throat trying to kill you... lol.
If i was a Dog I would never Trust him, and they dont, Look at His Video with the German shepard, Zack George dont understand dogbodylanguage or He ignores IT, His arrogance and ignorance fear dogs - and people Like me - when IAM on His Channel I make His Sound off- thinking about what Kind of sickness He has
I have dogs, over the years watched both Zak then Dog Daddy methods and now use Dog Daddy's approach.
Early I tried using Zak's way when training dogs on the walk. It did not work very well and I had patience. DD's methods as explained by him make more sense. You should not contradict someone before hearing him out first.
Try watching videos of DD on his own channel, not selected and compiled by Zak who clearly has something against his competition.
I had a similar experience except my puppy became so reactive using Zak’s methods that Zak recommended behavioral euthanasia for my 8 month old puppy. Luckily I switched to balanced training and didn’t put my pup down. He’s 4 years old now 🥰
@@The_Woof_Pack wow so happy you switched training; Zak is going to get a lot of dogs killed if he is not careful, silly man, he has hate in his heart.
The dog daddy is literally throwing the dog on the ground. Thank you so much for showing everyone that abusive and training isn't the only way to help aggressive dogs.
Dogdaddy deserves to be in jail. Absolute animal abuse on his part. So infuriating!
There is NO comparison between the two dogs. Why don’t you attend one of the DOg Daddy’s seminars and take on one of those aggressive dogs! You would not survive the experience period. There is a lot of hot air in this video of yours.
Augusto is putting reactive dogs into situations where they are highly stressed. He is pushing them to react in an extreme way. There is no need for this.
@@FoxbrushDraws Exactly. The people defending Augusto don't seem to understand that he is escalating the situation with his approach, making the dogs more anxious and more aggressive. So that's why it looks like he can "handle aggressive dogs" but a good dog trainer doesn't let the dog get to that point. A good trainer progresses slowly and examines the dogs body language. Communicating with a dog is so important to build trust. If you don't have patience and determination, don't work with dogs.
There is no comparison dog Daddy's pretty much abusive
The people defending him beat their dogs at home
@@thicccemskitty and how do you know this??? You sound like a preteen child.
Yes, acclimate your dog first. Time and patience are so important. Just like people, our precious dogs don't learn or grasp from A to Z instantly. Great informative video
I can not watch more than 15 sec.. because it makes me extremely depressed and angry so thank you so much for the trigger warning.
But i have watched himfor years so i know what he stands for AND i know what YOU stand for- and that is enough for me to say: THANK YOU for your hard work to stop this horiffic abusive clown.
I thinbk oneof the reasonsthis type of "training" is so popular in USA is tradition.. You see it in all kinds of animal handling in USA.. luckily more people are breaking out of it and getting good education in how to train without violence....
.You have 100% of support from a ton of trainers here in Norway. Keep up the good work my friend.
God Bless you and your sweet wife .--. BIG HUGS from us here at GMH.
I see one timid dog that isn't aggressive towards you throwing treats. Vs a dog trainer who is going up MULTIPLE aggressive dogs who eventually settle down and begin to obey the dog trainer.
Most aggression you see in dogs is fear aggression.
Growling and barking at people would be met with "correction" by people like Augusto. It would end up pushing the dog to react more extremely.
Imagine if Zak had totally ignored Beaux's growling and just walked up to him or tried to handle him off the bat. More than likely, you would have seen a more extreme reaction, biting, lunging, or snapping. But because Zak doesn't bulldoze the dog's boundaries and comfort, you don't see that. But don't take that to mean that Beaux isn't a reactive dog.
@@FoxbrushDraws reactivity is complex and it isnt always fear aggression. It can be, but it can be a LOT of other things as well.
How is this a side by side. How many people had Beau attacked ? He it's clearly a sweet shy boy who just needs to warm up to people and warns you he didn't want you to come close. He isn't attacking. And he backed up when you took a step. Again ... was Beau about to get put down ?
Yes! This is such a bad example. Zak is "trying" so hard to make himself seem like a good dog trainer for all dogs of all extremities.
Exactly, I can’t believe people are falling for this
You realize that growling and barking are things that compulsion trainers will "correct" with aversive and forceful methods and tools, right?
The reason why Beau didn’t attack is because Zak didn’t push his boundaries. Beau could have easily been as violent as the other dogs if he was pushed to fast like DD does. DD forces the already “aggressive”, unsure dogs into fight mode and escalates the issue. The only fact behind his training is through fear and power. With Zak he builds a bond with the dog and takes his time. He trains with empathy and proven methods.
@@aneliahutson3191
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Anyways, let's remove DD from the conversation. Are you saying there aren't dogs that lunge and pull at the leash on site of strangers and they only do it if a trainer makes them uncomfortable? If so, that is hilariously delusional. This dog is a 2or3 out of 10, tops. Simply a young dog not well socialized
If you aren't saying that, & you recognize there are dogs like that, then please show me an example of ZG working with one. It'd be even better if you can show one with a working breed adult that has aggression (you can't)
He is literally trying to snap their necks it’s so abusive and horrible it’s also .. terrible for the person because if the person gets that dog home and it happens to be aggressive it’s now A traumatized aggressive dog so it can snap on the owner or someone else .. thank you for sharing this and keeping persistent to show there is a better way
What a load of rubbish
Cortisol is the stress hormone. When we or dogs are full of stress our brains are full of cortisol. Cortisol blocks learning. “Dog Daddy” consistently uses behaviors that continue or increase the dog’s cortisol. Therefore the dog’s brain chemistry is blocking learning. Among the ways the body can release cortisol, and therefore be chemically able to learn, is through positive physical activity. When Beau began fetching, you can see his stress level decrease - his cortisol brain load decrease, therefore his brain is becoming chemically ready to learn.
Well stated!
It’s exciting as a teacher when you see that change.
The brain learns that it needs to release cortisol in that scenario too because it is consistently stressful, so it provides the chemicals needed for fight or flight so that the dog can fight for survival. So it only serves to increase the dogs stress everytime... It does not teach the dog how to self soothe or relax.
I don’t see how this clown has all this following. It really is scary
Just watching this made me nauseas and to think he would do that with my dog I can’t imagine
Thank you for bringing awareness to this dangerous guy.
? you think treats are gonna work for every dog? for sure not for the aggressive dogs dog daddy deals with zak george doesnt deal with highly aggressive dogs like dog daddy.
@@focus4088 Right, Zak dog is shy where DD dog is very aggressive in this video, Zak needs a life
Notice most of his vids are pupoies
An aggressive dog or fearful dog does not need to be met with aggression! It starts with trust and you build that slowly
There is no quick fix and this is not a fix forever. I dealt with aggressive dogs and never ever would I handle these dogs like that
yep while zaks dog wasnt as aggressive and fearful as dd dog was and it was tooken out of context@@karenmichaud1356
I was so traumatized by watching DD, wtf???!!!! How does he think that is training??!! He’s making these dogs so fearful and scared. Please please please continue to make everyone aware of what he is doing so that owners will see this is NOT the way to train a dog, thank you Zak for all that your doing to make people aware of these “trainers”
Yes. It appears he is absolutely unnecessarily escalating things for his audience.
Cause u know shit about dogs nature if u just use brain for second u will see that he comunicate like alfa dog would hust without using fangs he use safer methods that doesnt harm dogs
Please watch a whole video of Dog Daddy. Zak just shows snippets to get your attention. Augusto cares deeply for all animals. You will see the most troubled dogs get over their triggers to dogs that just need direction. He also volunteers at shelters so these dogs don't get euthanized.
Need to look at it in context. You just cannot trust the way zak edited the clip. I think Zak is out of clients and is using misinformation to claw back. Look at DD in context. DD is a great trainer for really difficult dogs.
Zak- mmmmmehh
You were so traumatized? What you see is how these dogs are daily at home, in the shelters, etc, how they are they can avoid, leashes, muzzles, other animals at home, visitors, vets, going outside, trainers without any experience like Z.G. couldnt train and rehabilitate them, and then? Nobody wants them and then? Iam thankfull for these trainers to show the dogs and people to go trough their fears and learn how to life in society witout fears
Why not show the results of Dog Daddy's training? When you show the worst of someone and the best of yourself you are not sharing accurate information. Those dogs you see Dog Daddy training had incredible results and the owners were extremely pleased. It would be great for you two to meet in person and train dogs together, just squash the anger and frustration you have with him. That would demonstrate real professionalism, skills, and technique. You have both had great success training dogs, I saw your video on training a food-aggressive animal it was of great value, why not try to work together instead of talking down about someone else's work?
The problem is that non-behavior experts don’t understand how to interpret these so-called results you’re referring to. What you are actually witnessing is a dog responding to a threat or stress response shutting down and not jumping and lunging like they were triggered to do moments earlier. This actually isn’t dog training but a fight or flight response that does not address underlying issues. This is what we professionals are trying to alert the public about.
@@zakgeorge check out other behavioural experts who have similar balance training approaches with dogs. They have agreed on podcasts and working directly with the Dog Daddy that these techniques are effective. Why not work together instead of beating each other up? is it not about the dogs anymore and only about the clicks?
To work with DD as dog trainers coming together, Zak and others would have to agree that DD is a dog trainer in the first place. He’s not training those dogs, he’s modifying behavior in the moment based on fear, that’s not a dog trainer, anyone can do that. Abused kids learn to not do certain things to not get hit, these dogs are not different in that. They are learning by DDs methods to avoid certain behaviors to not get unwanted results.
@bpurdx do you have any examples? I'm curious to look into this, I think balanced training really is the best bet for dog training
Because he is hurting dogs. I can’t speak for Zak, but personally I am not going to work together with somebody until they stop hurting dogs. And I don’t care if the methods are effective, if they hurt a dog I’m not doing them.
I just had to come back to this video and express some more thoughts.
I love watching Zack do his thing, and appreciate his years of training experience.
But I'm a little disappointed that this video was made.
After watching some more of DD videos, it's clear to me that he understands dogs. Once he has gotten the dog under control, he does work to gain a relationship with the dog, prior to moving forward.
So far, what I've seen him do is work with dogs that are extremely fear aggressive.
These cases are a completely different catagory, then basic dog obedience.
These case also present a public safety hazard.
To compare Zack's training, and the short clips of DD working with these dangerous dogs is really not fair.
Please don't hate on me for expressing my thoughts on this.
I just think we need to slow down, and think about this, instead of reacting emotionally.
Thank you ☮️
Well said!
This is literally like slapping a "troubled" kid in the face and when they calm down and submit, we be nice to them and "build a relationship". It's straight up abuse! Does it work? Perhaps. But it's still abuse smh seriously. There are better and more humane methods that work too, albeit just take longer. Use your brains please.
Like are you people OK? Literally only being nice or calm to a living being when they are calm or nice to you is literally emotional abuse. It doesn't work that way. Please tell me you people don't have kids.
This made me cry...with happiness. You're amazing and it's you I'd want as the trainer for my boy EVERY TIME! 😊
You are so kind
I think we can all agree that dog daddy isn’t the best trainer in the world. But, using an example of a dog that seems to be just mildly reactive is not the same as some of the legitimately aggressive dogs shown on DD’s channel. This video is only going to reinforce your own audience, not change the minds of desperate people with aggressive dogs.
Edit: please reread the last sentence. It’s not relevant to my point whether or not he’s getting them to act more aggressive. The desperate owners that go to him go to him for a reason and that’s extreme behavior issues. The dog shown in this video was FAR from the extreme. Those ignoring that are proving my point about this video simply reinforcing your own audience.
The only reason all the dogs DD is handling seem more aggressive is because he is actively escalating the situation.
He uses proper techniques dogs in whole react like PAC animal if you don't asert yourself as lead pack by challenging their dominance they will act like this because they think they are alpha , you should never let your animal eat where u eat or sleep where u sleep. Especially if they are alpha type dogs
@tysonrojas5477 yeah the whole Alpha Omega bs was disproven by the guy originally wrote the theory. Real wolf packs don't operate based off assertion or "dominance". They're literally just family units. The "alpha" male and "alpha" female are just the parents of the rest of the pack members.
That being said, this theory has caused so much conflict in many homes. I can't tell you how many times I've come to a client with a dog that's drawn blood and they though they needed to use the Cesar Malone pin or DD tug and done. Techniques like these have been observed again and again to produce dogs that are far less predictable, aergo more dangerous. It's OK not to know. We don't know what we don't know till we know lmao. The same principles that guide me and Zaks criticisms are what guided zoo keepers to train lions and wolves for cooperative care. If zookeepers don't need to use avversives on actual wolves and big cats to get them to cooperate and listen then we don't need to be using avversives as flagrantly as we do with dogs.
@@wigi-gum6093Read only the first paragraph to know you're absolutely full of it. Ever heard of peck order (in birds), the whole of nature is based on that the strongest comes first. But for you, there's this gentleman humanlike society where all the dogs sit at a table discussing socialist ideals under a fine wine.
@@wigi-gum6093 so your a dog trainer or have some sort of experience haha prob not
I have lots of experience with bigger than usual dogs including a lot of bullies and mastives
So I can tell you from experience it's very true idc what some guy said 100 years ago 🤣 I know from experience And experience from other more experienced trainers
The dog in the top video was a completely different case than any of the dogs that needed help in the bottom videos. May I ask…how can these two videos be compared in their technique when they are clearly not the same? Can you provide an example of a dog that you have trained that is snarling on a leash and writhing around and how you handle that dog? I would like to see that comparison for it to be apples to apples. I don’t have a side here, I just want to see if you have a fair argument to make. Thanks in advance ❤
Exactly. Comparing apples to zebras.
Honey the point of the video is that you shouldn't be snatching a dog around by its neck
Please actually watch the video regardless of how this guy does it that guy is still clearly abusive towards his dogs while in the training process
The point with handling aggression is keeping the dog under threshold and building their confidence. If they are thrashing around and snarling and writhing they are not mentally capable of being calm and you need to work slower and reduce the intensity of the stressor. They are just not going to listen to you which is why these people result to force. Beau doesn't act like the dogs that Dog Daddy is handling because Zak gives Beau distance and space and only provides positive input, he doesn't overwhelm Beau or expect him to tolerate petting right away. I'm sure if he ran up really fast to Beau and grabbed his collar and shook him around he would get bit.
With treating aggression you need to handle the WHY, otherwise you're just hiding the symptoms. That's what Zak was doing, he is showing Beau that he is non threatening and only a source of good things. Dogs are reactive because they're insecure and feel threatened, hanging them doesn't solve this but it can put them into learned helplessness and "Hide" it.
Dog Daddy pushes dogs to the limit and literally strangles them... of course they're gonna start biting and freaking out when they're being hung by their necks, they're not meant to stand upright their body weight is hanging against their necks, they are suffocating and in pain. Any animal will start attacking you if you strangle it like that, it's a survival response. It's also an incredibly great way to permanently injure your dogs neck or spine if you get them to the level that they're thrashing around like that.
If you get any animal that agitated, they become incapable of focusing appropriately, recalling memory, learning, or controlling their impulses well because their prefrontal cortex gets interrupted by all the adrenaline and cortosol. They get put into fight or flight and are focused on surviving, not behaving. So of course they'll only respond to you if you do something extreme, they are in a state of extreme agitation and arousal.
Animals are practically unworkable when over threshold which is why managing the environment and not overwhelming the dog is so important. Are you really in control of the dog if they don't listen to you until you strangle them to complete exhaustion? If you're constantly putting them in situations where you know they're gonna bite someone you're the one at fault, not the dog. They won't take food or focus on toys because they are extremely overwhelmed and stressed.
Everytime you push a dog that far you're just creating further history of stress, and now they associate that stress with being strangled too so it's just an even more stressful situation. They are not learning coping mechanisms, they are not learning to be confident, at best they learn Learned Helplessness and just become entirely shut down. They do not learn that the world is safe, they learn that they should be as still as possible if they don't want to be strangled.
This is where "out of the blue" bites usually come from as well because the dog isn't actually safe and secure it's just not showing the symptoms of discomfort anymore because otherwise it will be strangled. All it takes is one really bad day and one really overwhelming situation for them to snap though, because they never learned proper coping mechanisms and they know that maybe that little kid will start strangling them too so maybe they should act really fast....
Every time you allow a dog to practice that sort of behavior too it just becomes more and more likely to happen as the brain puts that behavior in its routine for when it's scared, it is dangerous to allow them to get to that point and you as an owner are failing to properly manage the environment and set your dog up for success if they are constantly so overwhelmed that all they can do is bite and lash out.
This is why you keep them under threshold... Manage the environment.. use a leash FFS... If they're aggressive towards you work with them on the other side of a barrier and just desensitize them to your presence. Use a long leash in a controlled environment. Train them to use a muzzle if you need to, Dog Daddy clearly doesn't since all those dogs want nothing to do with the muzzle. It's a great way to further increase agitation by making their face physically uncomfortable while strangling them at the same time.... Don't put them in situations they aren't ready for and they won't react so extremely.
If you want an Arachnophobe to get over their fear of spiders you work at their pace, if you lock them in a room with thousands of spiders and hit them when they start screaming and stomping on the spiders, they'd probably start hitting you too and would not be any less terrified of the spiders. You might be able to instill learned helplessness into them but now you just have a shell instead of a person with even more trauma around spiders.
If you are in an extreme situation you might need to drag your dog away, unexpected things happen, but that does not mean you should make it part of your tool kit to start hanging them frequently. It just means you need to be more alert and go slower next time, maybe avoid those situations until your dog is ready. If they're aggressive around kids for example you should probably start by just watching them from 50 yards away on the other side of a fence and getting treats and being calm. Don't go straight to letting kids run up to your dog... Some dogs maybe should just not be around kids in general, hanging them like Dog Daddy again doesn't make them safer it just hides the symptoms and makes them even more dangerous because now they dont' growl and further associate the stressor with pain and discomfort.
There is more than sufficient data as well that this sort of physical abuse only increases insecurity, instability, and aggression and creates mental health disorders and can severely impact brain development for the worse. See "Fallout of Positive Punishment", yes it can be affective in making a behavior stop quickly but the real issue is that it doesn't address the root cause of why the animal is doing that. They would still need to counter condition the dog anyways and work with it under threshold anyways if they want to see real progress and actually make the dog safe. For some reason we want to think that dogs specifically need to be treated this harshly but the reality is that animals are pretty universal in becoming more aggressive and fearful if they are treated this harshly.
There is a reason why official zoos and animal sanctuaries use primarily positive reinforcement, environment management, and setting the animals up for success because otherwise the animals become wildly dangerous. Sure you can strangle the lights out of an akita, but there's no way you can do that to a bear or a lion. It's building confidence and taking things at the animals pace all the way.
Yes yes yes! We’ve been saying Zak has worked with dogs with the same behaviors, he just doesn’t escalate the situation like that guy. Can we get more videos (and more in depth) videos like this? People get so dejected because a true bond and learning takes time, patience, and sometimes creativity. This video really brings that to light.
What I see is that DD fixed 100 dogs while Zak was still puss*ing around with an already obedient dog, throwing some peanuts and balls. DD will overtake Zak and deservedly
@@saskiak5004correction, you are sick, but not because of DD fans. You're truly deluded. There are such beings as aggressive dogs, and there are non-aggressive dogs. The difficult ones, your loser idol has no solution for, even though in your fantasy world all dogs throw up their paw for this Zak hero after 50 hot dogs and 3 years of patient waiting. In reality Zak likes to attack competitors more than fixing dogs. It's a typical mistake, seeing other's mistakes, owning the truth, while being oblivious to your own shortcomings. Now go on dreaming, you read like a moron I'll add.
@@Mark-pb4dn There might be a difference...might be as well as prisoners...they get "educated" and when liberated they just go back to their behaviour...
Problem is that there are other trainers that teach obedience and discipline...but never get to dd level...i mean seriously...that's just abusive. Upstate canine academy is a channel that proves exactly that...
@@rob.ale90 you may have spent time on Zak's channel but not on DD's.
There's the debate between balanced and positive, the balanced use both positive and corrective.
I recommend Woof pack's 12min vid zZWGlLb6KTU who lays it out
Exactly, and it´s so unspectacular as well. I feel like in Zaks class the owner knows what to do in the end, in DDs class he does everything and then what? If the dog stays good all is well, but if it escalates again I don´t feel like the owners would really know what to do which probably got them to where they are in the first place.
My reactive dog was fixated on another dog and I tried to wave a treat in his face to distract him and he bit me. I partially blame Zak's advice for leading me to believe treats were the answer to everything.
I found Dog Daddies longer videos to be more helpful in teaching me to redirect my dogs attention with a prong collar so he's not pulling me in addition to treats.
It's because Zak does not manage truly aggresive dog. I would love to see how ZG is throwing treats at these tibetan mastiffs DD handled during one of his last seminars :P That would be a show! :P There is only 1 video that I saw of Zak "working" with ae german shephard mix. And the dog indeed actually tried to bite ZG 2 times - only because Zak clearly disrespected the dog and he had it clearly coming.
@@joannapetrykowska7821 Yeah, I got bit trying to use a treat with my own dog that wanted to go at another dog because of leash aggression. That's the danger or being taught only to use treats you don't know what else to do.
Another thing Zak does is tell people to use harnesses. If you see videos of dog fights the idiot with the biggest dog always has it on a harness, I guess because a collar would hurt its delicate neck.
Exactly! And as Garet from American Standard Dog Training says the only way to break up a fight where a dog has a full grip / bite over the other is to cut off the oxygen. Brutal but it's the only way when dealing with dogs with powerful bite. No treats no redirection will work@@tanyaroberson9629
This is because your dog was over threshold and redirected aggression. You were working him too fast, and need to decrease the intensity of the stressor.
Cortisol blocks the brains ability to focus, think clearly, learn, and control impulses. So they do react unreasonably when overwhelmed because the brain prevents logical thinking. Increasing distance and going slower is the way to go.
@@tanyaroberson9629 Yes, a harness provides more control over the dog and often many dogs will just severely injure their neck. It's a bit more complex than just using treats, you need to manage the environment so that the dog is under threshold so that they can actually learn. Redirected aggression is very common, Dog Daddy doesn't seem any better at preventing it considering how all those dogs thrash around while he strangles them.
You can still teach your dog to respond to leash pressure without using a prong or choke chain or similar things. They also make martingale style harnesses for escape artist dogs.
Why don't you ever accept requests from other internet dog trainers to train dogs that have extremely aggressive issues that they choose from animal shelters to show your techniques? In that one dog you show as an example DD has helped thousands of dog owners.
Seeing that abuser is so upsetting that I couldn't even make it one minute into the video. I had to scroll down to the comments so I don't see him. Thank you for being the voice of reason, Zak, and educating the public. I hope those owners seeking help from dog daddy come to their senses.
One is man handling dogs. Just like the old schooled way of riding a horse and letting him buck it out vs gaining trust and then riding him. Which would lead to way less reaction
This is shocking!! I didn't even realize that the bozo on the bottom screen was supposed to be a dog trainer!! I am absolutely appalled that anyone takes their dog to this charlatan! I have been doing behavior modification for 13 years at a large shelter and have been fortunate enough to save hundreds of dogs who were "trained" like this from being euthanized after their owners dumped them off. Some of these poor dogs never fully recover from this abuse. Thankfully there are people like Zak out there showing people that training your dog is about learning how to properly communicate with them, NOT shoving them around and forcing them into situations they're not ready for. Thanks for doing such an important job Zak, and for doing it well.
looks kind of funny Zak throwing treats at the dog who clearly is not interested in them. Still they keep coming 😂
When humans are faced with viewpoints that don't line up with their beliefs, they don't wanna listen. Instead, they go to mocking, criticism, dismissive statements, and anger. The internet is a seething cesspool, and generally trying to argue with someone online is a fruitless endeavor. So, whoever side you're on, don't bother arguing. It won't accomplish anything.
Dog Daddy is awesome Zak and you need to quite taking pieces and melding them to create a false narrative. Zak doesn't volunteer to help shelter dogs . He sits behind a desk. Dog Daddy RULES. DON'T BUY INTO ZAK HARRASSING OTHERS.
I sure hope that no parents let their kid(s) be around DD. These poor dogs…his ‘audience’ is so brainwashed.
The DD followers are so brainwashed that they think this is okay, then they'll hate watch Zak's videos, leaving comments about him being envious or "look at it in context".
It's pure insanity. How can they think this is OK?? No amount of context will ever make it OK! Good lord. It's downright disgusting what DD is doing.
Where on earth do they even teach people to be a “dog trainer” like that!
Both of them are not actually qualified dog trainers
Thanks for making this video !! I find His typ of training horrible
Anyone who says this doesn't know dogs. Watch how dogs train each other. Watch how dogs discipline each other. It looks brutal but it isn't.
@@maureencallahan1604 well that’s your opinion. And this is mine. And I have never seen a dog strangle another dog with his paws by pulling on the leash
The assertion that dogs inherently train each other through aggression is a gross oversimplification and misinterpretation of canine behavior. It disregards decades of research in applied animal behavior that show the complexity and specificity of dog social structures. Dogs, like many animals, have a wide range of social interactions that are far from solely aggressive. They communicate and learn through various means, including play, body language, and vocalization. To reduce this intricate tapestry to mere aggression is to ignore the essence of what makes dogs unique as social animals. Advocating for modern training methods is not a lack of understanding, but rather a reflection of a comprehensive and updated grasp of how dogs actually interact and learn, backed by scientific study and humane practice.
@@maureencallahan1604 Dogs can kill each other. Dogs can kill puppies even. Nature involves survival and can be brutal. It looks brutal because it is brutal and you are defending brutality. Look in the mirror and see what that makes you.
@@maureencallahan1604dogs deliver measured corrections to eachother. they communicate with eachother. what this man is doing is actively ignoring he dogs communications and HURTING and TRAUMATISING them. watch how some humans discipline eachother by shooting eachother, would you like to be shot for simply stating your feelings? no, i didn’t think so.
So many Dog Dangler bots in the comments.
The sad thing is how many people see this and will handwave your work with Beaux because they didn't see him reacting to the extreme level of the dogs in the comparison video, without ever realizing that because he was barking and growling at you, a trainer like Augusto would have "corrected" him in the same way he is seen with those other reactive dogs and you would have seen that same kind of reaction out of him.
When I was still a newer trainer, I worked with a Malinois before who had SEVERE separation anxiety. Like, full destructive panic if any of the family was out of sight. Other places wouldn't accept him because they considered him too "high risk" for training. One class, I inadvertently pushed him a little too far outside his comfort zone too quickly, and he panicked and bit me. It hurt a ton. But I didn't yell at him, hit him, or "correct" him. That wouldn't have helped. He was scared. I'm not going to punish him for being scared. I took a deep breath, stayed calm, and worked with my senior trainer to reassess his training plan and we were able to really help get his anxiety under control, and it was all positive based training techniques. No force, no "correction," no aversive tools or methods.
Glad to see someone else understands the contrast is the point of the video! Had Zak treated the dog like DD does, then the dog would have been way more aggressive. But by staying respecting boundaries and building trust, he avoided that and achieved results.
They always talk about aggressive dogs , but don't they see , it's them , not the dogs . They might make every dog "aggre ssive" . It is their character , it is their thoughts , it is their body language . That type of people is always starting trouble with other people , they see everything negative . They don't realize that dogs are highly sensitive .
oh good god grow up dogs have heightened senses not paranormal powers!
@@ducie1191 Oh yeah ? Seems You were never around dogs in Your life ! They can SMELL what You think . Even I can't be in a room full of negative people . Seems You lack of some sences and as these pajama - guy fans , of heart .
Dogs are pack animals. They need a leader. And if the owner is not providing it, it can have very bad outcomes. Dogs are NOT children.
I recently discovered DD, and have watched quite a few of his videos.
It seems that with fear agressive dogs, his approach seems very similar to Cesar Millans aproach.
Both recognize that a dog cannot learn until they are out of that fearful state of mind.
I also follow Robert Cabral, and Nate Schumer, for basic dog training.
All though Robert does not put out these kinds of videos, he ran a rehabilitation type rescue, and works with a shelter in LA to train staff, and help with rehabilitaion of adoptable dogs.
Fear aggressive dogs seem to be a really big problem these days. I truly believe that it's never the dogs fault, it comes from the human not providing the very necessary structure for the dog.
And it boggles my mind that with all of the information out there, that people still have no idea of what it takes to have a mentally stable dog.
I'm don't have the knowledge to advocate for DD's approach, or not. But extreme fear aggressive dogs are very dangerous.
It's saddens me that their owners are so clueless.
Nobody can learn anything without being corrected when they make a mistake, that includes dogs... correction, not punishment.
Once a dog has learned something, and understands what's expected of them, owners need to follow through.
I assure you I am coming at this in good faith. You are listening to the wrong crowd if you are concerned with actual behavior science. The individuals you listed are highly problematic in our field. Keep in mind people like Robert Cabral routinely state that science doesn’t have anything to do with dog training which is deeply concerning in a scientific profession like behavior science.
@@zakgeorge thank you for your feedback.
Most of us that are trying to learn, and do the best that we can for our dogs are absolutely flooded with so much information out there, and not being a "professional" in dog phycology, and behavior, it's very difficult to know what to believe, or who to trust.
I've been diving deeper because of the very fearful, and sensitive, shelter dog that I adopted 2 weeks ago.
I'd love to work on obedience, just to exercise her brain, but still haven't found anything that will get her excited enough to engage with me.
Not sure if it's her age, but pretty sure no one has ever asked anything from her, other than corrections to things like barking. She definitely responds to a stern tone, and the word "no".
Hopefully with more time, we will get there together.
Thank you Zack
@@fallbrkgrlyou can't make any progress with a fearful dog by giving them more things to fear or giving them a reason to fear they will be harmed in some way. One of the best ways to make your dog comfortable with you and their new environment is to try handfeeding. Try spending every mealtime with your dog near you and only put a small amount into the dish at a time if taking food from you is too scary. Just like it is for people, mealtime can be a very bonding experience. An insecure dog isn't likely to want to play and engage until they are secure so it takes patience not force.
do not take any advice from this man please i beg of you dog trainers have been a thing for a very long time, way before people like this decided to try and claim its purely science based its a farce to make money off people because he know they will need to keep coming back to him. he cannot change any of his views on training now because he is locked into it because of social media money he makes.
@@homeshows
Thanks for the reply.
I'll try that, although she sometimes is still reluctant to take treats for my hand, so I end up putting them on the floor.
We'll see, I'll keep trying.
Thanks again.
Thank you for this video Zak, I really don’t understand the logic behind the DD method. Keep up the good fight. Oh and thank you for helping me training my dog train my dog, and the trusting relationship I have with her 😊
For anyone saying that positive reinforcement is useless against the most reactive dogs, check the “Its me or the dog channel” here you can find dogs that are way more aggressive than the one on this video and at the end they manage to sucesfully train them Including the owner to stop these behaviors from happening without using methods that could potentially severely harm the dog like the one dog daddy shows where they force a dog into a situation that they are not comfortable with.
The dogs on "It's me of the dog" are not more aggressive than the dogs on DD channel. The only aggressive dogs (especially towards people) you see on Rachel's channel are little dog breeds. DD helps large and powerful dogs that are more susceptible to being euthanized because of their behavior.
Looked it up, like the channel, but still not seeing any videos of malicious dogs. Fear aggression is not the same.
I'm from the Netherlands, and I never heard of dog daddy before. But seeing this, I think he is very cruel and not a daddy to a dog at all. I think he should go to prison for abuse.
he's the best dog trainer around, educate yourself
Bro. Why don't you look into it more before just trusting this pervert liar Zak George?
@Mark-pb4dn I don't go into discussions on the internet. I state my opinion. If you don't like my opinion, that's ok with me. I won't change my opinion about Dog Daddy. Under Dutch law, he would be judged because of animal cruelty. If you feel he is great ...again that is ok with me. I wish you a happy life and a good future.
So you now know all you need to, from just 1 1sided video?
@@yanaa1964 I'm also Dutch, but Western culture is all the same, placing all the emphasis on pussying around. Then when you meet a dog, it turns out that you don't understand nature, and your methods don't work, which leads to death of innocent dogs that noone can work with. So it's your ignorance that's the problem here. That you say that you "won't change your opinion" just means that you're extra brainwashed, and want to solve all problems in the world with love and softness. Have you ever looked at a mama dog, how she keeps order? You or Zak wouldn't be able to maintain order on a single recalcitrant puppy.
I still don't see much real progress, so the dog just got used to and more comfortable in one very controlled environment and did some very basic training. Were they soon able to do this out in a public? Was he able to soon be off leash mixing with other dogs and people? And you did not show the progress DD shows he makes, only the first initial meetings with different dogs.
This. Exactly. The question should be, at the end of the day if my dog gets lost, runs away from home or whatever circonstances that could lead them to wind up on their own.. will they be safe, and behave properly without the owner around? I believe both methods are important one to build trust and a loving, tender relationship with your dog, and the second, to make sure they won't lash out to a kid or another animal who might run towards them.
So very distressing to see that POS hard handling. Strangling those dogs.
I use POS as when I use the T word I keep getting warnings 😂
Thank you for bringing light to this horrible method of "dog training." I hope people will realize it's not training its abuse!
I do too.
I have lost ALL respect for Zak George.
Me too
Not here to cause offence but out of curiosity, may I ask why please? 🙂
You never did respect him or watch his videos in the first place. Bye.
Because he doesn't abuse dogs? Weird flex, but ok. Bye.
Lol this is the most basic dog trying methods everyone already knows and cute beau is not aggressive just shy and uncertain the comparison is just laughable stick to training puppies and beagles and corgies etc or show up to a dog daddy session and put your methods to the test and throw some treats on the ground and see if you're successful save the monstrous dog that wants to rip your leg off with all that talk what a joke stop talking and show me
I can see how what Zak is doing is training, but this was hard to watch because the other person is abusing dogs. There needs to be a protected title for animal behaviourists
The fact that people even let him do this to their dogs is crazy thank you for continuing to expose this person and their terrible abuse of animals because that is what it is
Omw! Right! I would never let that man near my dog!
It's called ignorance. I don't think many people WANT that for their dogs but they have been mislead to believe it's a necessary evil.
@@hippiebits2071 my mom is one of these people. She goes on and on about DD and I'm like.. no I will not follow him or his ways with my dogs. My dogs aren't even on the aggressive scale with being a newfoundland and two boarder collies. =/ I can't get over that my mom of all people thinks it's ok treatment when she used to have dogs herself and she adored them.
@@Roseles89 Maybe I'm just choosing to believe my thoughts rather than accepting the reality about some of his followers. It's just hard for me to stomach the thought anyone watching him fir the sake of entertainment much less aspiration.
Right? I would be over him!
My dog is in his puberty (he's a Corgi) . We socialized him almost instantly after getting him, as soon as was advised and because of that he used to love meeting new people and playing with other dogs. We do dog sitting so we often have dogs over staying for a couple days to sometimes even 2 weeks or more. My Corgi used to play with them and nothing ever went wrong, they don't needed to be seperated unless the doggy that stayed over wasn't a very playful one. But lately my dog started getting aggressive with the dogs that stay over which and we are not sure if it's territorial, resource guarding or even something else. We noticed it started around the time puberty usually starts in dogs. He usually does not do it instantly, mostly when a new doggy comes he plays with them but after playing for 15-20 minutes he becomes cranky and gets aggressive. He does not do it with all dogs, for example he does not get angry with my mom's labrador (female). Mostly seems like younger male dogs (not necessarily younger than him because we have a 1,5 year old Labrador over at the moment and he does get upset with him after play or if we seperate with a fence if he gets close to the fence). I don't know if he's angry and takes it out on the doggy for us basically putting him in doggy jail... Or if it's just puberty... I wish I knew what we were doing wrong..
Are the dogs your dog getting upset with very pushy and maybe ignoring your dogs signals of “I’m done playing/give me space/ back off”. My adult male has very little patience for male younger dogs that keep pushing him when he starts signaling to leave him alone. Try to pay attention to your dogs body language with younger dogs before your dog has freak out.
@@wisdomcoffee
Yes, I think you are on the right track.
I've experienced this with my first dog. He would try to let the dog know that "I'm done", but the other dogs did not respond to his request for space.
I think there's a lot of dogs that just don't know doggy language...under socialized, taken from mom to soon (I think that's the biggest problem). Mom and litter mates are the best teachers.
Anyway... that's my two cents 😊
We’re dealing with adolescence, too. Best wishes.
@@fallbrkgrlHe's not under socialized but maybe spoiled in how much he was socialized. The moment he was allowed to go for walks is when we started doggy sitting again. And it's not only when he's tired that he gets cranky. He has different situations where he lashes out. The last 2 days he stopped again with the Labrador we're dog sitting where before he kept getting angry at him for different reasons. It's difficult to tell because it's different contexts.
Awe. He's a little bag of hormones right now and a lot of growing at the same time.
I would do some "stationing" with him and your visitor dogs.
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If people say their pets are their kids then why do they allow someone to wrestle their kids? Would they allow a nanny or a teacher to wrestle their human children?? I doubt it
Dogs are not kids.
Get therapy. You are not well.
The Venn diagram of people who are okay with abusive training methods for dogs and people okay with hitting children as discipline is a circle.
@@FoxbrushDraws
We will never see the same.
Dogs are not kids. Dogs are animals. We are capable of seeing the difference. You are not.
Depends, are your kids raging fanatics that chase down, pin, and bite everyone they see besides you? These two dogs are nowhere near the same behavioral issue. Human aggressive has to be fixed with aversive, period. If all you do is get them used to you, that doesn't mean they will stop attacking your amazon driver. So if you didn't want your kids euthanized for aggression then yes, you would want someone to wrestle them if that's what it took.
@@AnimaTriste Dogs are on about the mental level of human toddlers, intelligence wise and emotionally.
Humans are not unique, most other intelligent animals, mammals included, function the same way in regards to stress and fear response. We did not develop fight or flight as humans, it was something that was developed a long time ago.
They have a brain that utilizes fear as a survival mechanism just like we do, and just like we do they suffer extreme behavioral fallout and stress behaviors from being punished and strangled.... It is more than documented that Positive Punishment increases cortisol, increases aggression, increases insecurity, increase instability and likelihood of being bitten. It can create developmental brain issues and pregnant animals that experience this sort of treatment often produce even more stress prone offspring that are even more reactive.
See "Fallout of Positive Punishment" there are more than enough studies to prove it. Meanwhile no one can actually produce any meaningful studies that prove otherwise :/
Dogs cannot rationalize on the same level of humans, but they're basically just toddlers with teeth. Probably with the ability to learn better impulse control though, lol :)
Zak, more series like the one with George, or even better, shorter series around dogs with behavioural issues would be so powerful against advocates of outdated methods.
I don’t know why he hasn’t been banned from you tube. He is clearly just being abusive. There is no training involved. Those poor terrified dogs!
Envy is a bad thing, Zak.
Anyone's can purposely provoke these kind of dogs and escalate the situation, then shut them down with aggression. I don't think Zak is jealous of that
@@Paul-qj4dr This dog ZG is working with is not even close to an aggressive dog lol. Definitely has some fear/anxiety but on no level near most DD examples shown. I'd love to see him do this with the Akita in DD video
99% of this guy's videos are training with puppies ffs
If I'm wrong please link to anything showing him working with a working breed dog that is an adult with aggression
@@seancoinery65 DD is pushing these dogs to become more aggressive to then " shut them down". If DD would handle them better they wouldn't behave as they do.
@@Paul-qj4dr Let's remove DD from the equation.
Are you saying that dogs that without "pushing/pressure" & are triggered by the mere presence of a stranger being within 20ft, or the same room, & become aggressive/reactive including lunging/snarling/barking/etc don't exist?
@@seancoinery65 I'm not saying that, they do exist. That's not what you see in the videos though. If they are really so aggressive, why is he dragging them towards himself, that is the last thing you would do if the dog is actually aggressive.
Lmao Zak is corny for this but damn, that’s good work.. def made the dog daddy look like a nut job 😅 dog daddy doesn’t like to drag out training sessions for years and years but you’re also not showing his results. His approach is definitely different but it doesn’t mean he’s not effective. It would be a better video if you compared end results…. Just my opinion. Not everyone who approaches this dog is going to throw turkey at him or pull out a ball for the dog 😂 …It’s just not practical Zak… the video is definitely accomplishing what you want to say about dog daddy but it doesn’t show end results. It’s a little unfair and misleading lol 😅
Learned helplessness doesn’t count as “results” because underlying causes are unaddressed with these methods.
@@zakgeorge You have no proof that your results are better for the same dog and situation.
Lobotomies sure are useful for getting people to calm down but it doesn't mean they're healthy for them. His "results" are creating shut down dogs, that are still incredibly insecure... they just mask their symptoms now. It doesn't solve the root of the issue, they just express it in a different way now but also have to worry about being strangled now. A lot of "out of the blue" dog bites occur because of these methods because the dog doesn't feel any less threatened, they don't learn coping mechanisms, often they feel even more threatened because now they have to worry about being strangled... they just don't growl now. All it takes is a bad day or an injury or someone harrassing them and they'll be ready to bite again.
Muzzles are great for letting people know that your dog needs distance :) It probably would've been better for your trainer to meet your dog somewhere neutral so that he didn't have to feel like he had to protect his house too. Also walking at hours where people aren't very active / at low traffic locations helps. If my dog was aggressive with children I probably wouldn't immediately bring him to a kindergarten class, you need to start far away where he's comfortable and work up. Stay in controlled environments where there's a minimal amount of things that go wrong.
If he wasn't taking treats it means he was over threshold, cortisol affects the prefrontal cortex and makes emotional regulation and focus, impulse control, and most of all learning much more difficult. With effectively treating reactivity its really about creating confidence in the dog and taking it at their pace.
If you shove an arachnophobe in a room full of spiders they're probably gonna be too busy screaming and stomping to think about eating... It's just unrealistic to expect an animal in a state of fight or flight to be calm. Often DD purposefully puts these dogs in those situations so that he can strangle them into submission. Using DD's method I guess it would be appropriate to hang said arachnaphobe by the neck until they stop struggling... not really effective in building confidence.
It doesn't look as crazy when you actually slowly work with the animal and keep them under threshold, it's why you don't see effective positive trainers working with out of control dogs because they don't put the dog in a scenario where they feel that out of control in the first place. They're just not gonna learn as well when they're out of control.
This is also really only a phenomanon with horse and dog trainers, go to any zoo or wildlife sanctuary and they're gonna be using the same methods as Zak. DD only feels safe strangling the hell out of those dogs because he can actually physically overpower them... it ain't gonna work on a bear and it's a great way to make a very very dangerous animal. Wolves and wolfdogs often get permanently ruined from this method of training because they are extremely sensitive and first time learners and its a great way to permanently break their trust and teach them that the world is dangerous and terrifying, once they have a bite record they have to be put down to be eval'd for rabies.
Search for "Fallout of Positive Punishment", it is more than established in the behavioral science community that when used at high intensites for prolonged periods of time that it often has detrimental side effects like increased aggression, increased anxiety, stress disorders, mental illness, lifelong mental issues, OCD behavior, increased insecurity, increased bite risk, etc.
There's a reason DD is at risk of getting bit all the time and Zak isn't, because Zak doesn't put dogs in those scenarios in the first place and manages the situation to keep them underthreshold. If he walked up to Beau and started hanging him by his collar he'd thrash just as much as DD's dogs because that's what animals do when you hang them by the neck.
Furthermore, everytime a dog practices a behavior they're more likely to do it in the future as it reinforces those neural pathways everytime it happens. Especially in regards to cortisol and adrenaline release, the brain learns that those scenarios are stressful and so releases that more and more to make sure the animal has the chemicals to survive and fight or flight. So really you want to limit those scenarios as much as possible and get in contact wth a trainer ASAP as soon as you see risk, and use prevantative training methods and confidence building exercises.
Socialization when done properly also goes a long way to prevent these issues as it builds the dogs confidence and prevents that insecurity in the first place. Zak and other positive trainers use that very frequently so that the resulting dogs are confident and secure from the start, and will work on a problem before it becomes unmanageable.
DD's methods do not make a happy and healthy dog, it just makes the stress manifest differently. The "results" are only outwards in appearance, they do not address the issue of insecurity. It makes dogs a time bomb where you can't even see the timer...
Yes it is harder to manage the environment consistently but you can at least be confident that your dog is actually gaining confidence, reducing in stress, and learning to be a safer and more well adjusted dog. DD's method is impulsive and impatient.
If dog's actually lived as long as we did we'd see the behavioral fallout way more too. It is extremely damaging to brain development, learned helplessness also often puts the dog in a state where they're afraid to try new things or to do anything they're not told to do. It is not a happy life. Sure, it's convenient for the human, but maybe just don't own an animal if it's about your convenience and not their wellbeing.
I wanted to jump through the screen and help that poor baby trying to hold onto the railing to get away from him.😢. Thank you for teaching a better method. Even though my dog is still crazy excited, I appreciate the videos I can turn to for help.
so you are saying that you have been training your dog with ZAK and your dog is still crazy excited, see that it worked well for you and your poor dog 🤣🤣😂😂
@@karenmichaud1356Right lol... it's obviously not very effective.
Wich method ever Z.G. has teached? Did he ever trained these kind of dogs, sorry, that adult people are not willing to see the whole training and the results, everybody with eyes can see that also in the whole viedeos
I literally held my hand over the bottom half of the screen after about 10 seconds. DD doesn't train. He bullies and abuses. Thank you Zak for continuing to speak out about this despicable person and for demonstrating what dog training should look like.
It might look like everyone agrees with Zak if you look at the comments but any that doesn’t fit his narrative even if you slightly disagree he’ll delete them
Not true! We don’t delete comments here unless they are racist or a homophobic or something along those lines.
So what was your comment. Do you support abusive dog training? If so, are you a behavior expert or what sources do you cite to justify how these address underlying causes? Ask yourself why you feel so passionately about supporting methods like this?
@@zakgeorgedon’t lie. I wrote my comment to give my opinion, came back and the comment was gone and we all know why.
@@zakgeorgeyou saw my comment that’s why you deleted it don’t act dumb now
@@zakgeorgeand as for what trainers I watch/listen to here are a few
American standard dog training
Nate schoemer
Robert Cabral
Stonnie Dennis
Will atherton
I’d advice anyone that sees this to check these guys out amongst others
That’s the old yank and crank. Aka animal abuse. It’s traumatizing to watch I can’t even imagine what it’s like to experience.
Bro you r head n shoulders above that abuser,i have no problem wit correction but he is pure abuse.cant believe ppl go 2 him shame on u
Zak George wouldnt be able to handle the Dogs that Dog Daddy transforms.
You don’t abuse and shut out a raging 6 year old and definitely not a 17 year old teenager. They need to learn from other humans with respect and integrity. You don’t just hit a child because they said something wrong or if they broke something because they were angry at you. You talk to them and get on their level and love them kindly with words and understanding. Dogs have more understanding than most children under the age of 16. You can not assume that a dog knows what you want or how you want them to act. Similarly you can not assume that a fully grown adult knows what you want them to say or do. Let alone a child under 20. Dogs know how to save lives. They are real souls and feel the same things we feel. Dogs smell things and sense things before we humans can. How do you think a trained dog can sense when someone is about to have a seizure? How can you decide that a dog is not a real sentient being like you are? How can you say you know a dog before you even say hi or even connect with them on a deeper level? You can’t even pet them because ypu didn’t even have a real conversation with the owner. Of course the dog is going to be aggressive towards you. They sense your going to hurt them and YOU ARE HURTING THEM PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY. You are abusing them and it’s not okay. You need to find a different hobby and find a therapist please 🙏 for your sake and these innocent dogs sake. You are misusing your rights here and their needs to be more laws put into place for these types of businesses.
I would like to see other trainers and you working with serious behavior issues together. Not to see whose methods is right, or better, but to come together to help the dog.
Very dishonest editing.
That Dog Daddy is the best he knows what he is doing in training these dogs . What a wonderful guy dog daddy is . I commend him on this !
It makes me so upset to see that extreme force what people say is training … training is bonding not creating a boundary with fear like that I mean thos dogs are just being thrown around I don’t even see how it’s not been flagged as abuse since it’s being plastered on the internet
Those DD videos are traumatising. Any cruel idiot can shut a dog down. The dog has learned only that humans are dangerous.
EXCELLENT comparison! Bravo!!! This is exactly what we want to see instead of attacks. Evidence. Slam dunk 👏🏾
What? That dog was not even aggressive
Exactly ,The dog just politely asked him to back off ....
I dunno what's gonna convince people. I'd rather not see any more animal abuse this year if I can help it though. I just want my friend to not nibble my ankles habitually right now.
Can't you do like a counter training thing at the same locations and let owners pick between you both. "We WONT abuse your furry friends" seems like an easy counter-marketing slogan, even for a stressed pet owner. You gotta know other trainers that would help.
Love this video! Patience and lots of work is what I've learned in training my agressive dog. Zak's training techniques have been a life saver for me and my dog!
ENVY... 😢
what a fake guru. You dont want to learn how to train a dog from someone that makes their money by telling others how to train their dog. You wanna learn from someone that actually trains dogs with a good track record like dog daddy!
How permanent is either approach? Do the dogs revert after a while? We have a small mixed breed dog that become agressive towards the family other than me and my father. She is not tolerant to either my teen kids or my partner and growls and snaps at them randomly. It seems to be worse as she ages. She was such a lovable pup
Training is ongoing for life. Just small sessions to remind your dog you still have the same expectations. They’re like us: they change over time and need refreshers.
Hi! A great option in your case may be place training for the dog and training the mentioned people to give the dog space when in “place.” Check out Tom Davis on here for great tips and a great middle ground between Zak George and DD
From my experience with my dogs my mom sent them to an aversive trainer without me knowing and they didn’t learn anything. 300l0 dollars went down the toilet and we were left with two untrained dogs. When I use Zak methods it takes longer but my dogs really enjoy training and understand what they are doing. It’s been two years now and they are really well behave and the boy one no longer is aggressive towards other dogs. All of this is about patience, time, and empathy and if it come from a place of love then I believe any dog can be trained without aversive methods.
aversive methods often need to be used over and over unless they're so traumatizing that the dog never forgets. furthermore they don't address the insecurity and stress that the dog is experience and just mask the symptoms isntead. a lot of "out of the blue" bites hapen because the stress isnt addressed and the dog just doesnt show symptoms of being stressed out anymore until one day they're just too overhelmed to not bite.
Zaks method and other positive based methods work by keeping the dog underthreshold and working at their pace so that they actually build confidence and learn coping mechanisms. Zoo keepers and animal sanctuary workers use the same methods as well as physical abuse is a great way to create an unstable, unpredictable, and dangerous animal that does not trust people.
Also google "fallout of positive punishment", it is more than proven that abusing animals, humans and dogs included, only increases behavioral issues related to stress, it might solve one but up will pop another, or the dog just expresses it by being frozen in terror instead of lunging and barking... often it results in mental illness and can permanently affect their psychology depending on severity and frequency of abuse.
dog daddy should be trained in manners by his own methods. He doesn't deserve to be called a human.
Are you comparing this dogs feeble bark and growl to the dogs in the videos you are displaying of DD? As a trainer who has been training dogs longer than George has been alive, there is absolutely NO COMPARISON.
I have never seen Zach George work with a red zone case. The bulldog in this video is just a fearful dog. No signs of aggresion. Until he posts a video with a dog lunging and trying to bite his face off, then I'll take him seriously.
DD is also helping 10+ dogs in seminars. He doesn’t have the luxury of time and multiple meetings
Maybe do a side-by-side of you working with an actual, aggressive dog and DD doing the same, from start to finish. Not just cherry picked clips.
Something I just noticed about dog daddy - he wears sunglasses all the time which prevents him from making eye contact with the dogs. Is he purposefully doing that to prevent connection between him and the dogs?
Dog daddy should be in jail for abuse let me tell ya I ever see someone treating a pup like that. We would be throwing hands. No dog should ever be treated the way he does them
Yeah, it was hard to watch what was going on in the bottom half of the screen. We have a dog with her own issues we're slowly figuring out & it would shatter my heart to see her in that kind of situation. There is just no need for it
It’s upsetting me seeing the way that moron DD treats dogs - why would you allow someone to treat your dog like that. 😢
I want to give you a fair listen, but i have an very reactive dog. We hired an in home trainer to come work with him. Her methods were similar to yours, but she never even tried to get close to him. He was not interested in the treats, it was a lot of money wasted. This dog in your video is not the same level as the dogs the other person works with. Can you do a video of you working with that type of dog? I have seen others mention Grisha Stewart and Michael shikashio as recommendations. I will go check them out. It would be nice if you could work to showcase these other trainers methods on how to do things a different way instead of maligning another trainer. Do the people who go to him sign an NDA or if the method doesn't work can they come forward & tell their own stories?
This comparison is ridiculous! Your dog is still and pretty relaxed meanwhile DD fights with beasts. I would like to see how you would deal with that mad Akita for example.
I don’t see Beaux lunging at you or trying to bite you, like I see it with Augusto. Beaux is barking but trying to be a good boy, just trying to avoid you. If you really thought that you would convince people with this, man you are helpless. Show us some real proof!!!
Definitely not a fare comparison when the one guy is showing what weeks of training looks like with the same dog and the other dog trainers videos are the first couple minutes with the dog. If you agree or disagree
DD is saving many aggressive dogs that everyone else has given up on. Why would you want to stop someone who is preventing these dogs from being put down?
Zak, I love watching you work, but I just can’t get through your videos that include clips of DD. I understand why you are doing it and I applaud you. I know it sickens you too. I believe it’s happening, I don’t understand it, but I just can’t watch it.
You have found 1 video of yourself all the way from 2013 while you found several video’s of DD that tries to help those dogs.
Zak your strength lies with teaching how to raise puppies correctly. Your +R methodes are great for that and it will make sure the dogs maybe won’t turn into those aggressive dogs. Let other dog trainers handle those aggressive dogs, to make sure they won’t be put down
I’m just gonna say this that one video isn’t enough yes, but do you see the other videos that harmful way of teaching is not OK for animals that is abuse and if you stand by abuse, you’re just as bad as that trainer. Zach’s video he introduces himself to the dog warms up to the dog. The other trainer just walks up and grab the leash and throws the dog around and hurts the dog that’s teaching that’s training a dog to be better no wtf.
I had a hard time watching dog daddy’s clips. It gets me angry seeing dogs treated like that!
this is the difference between time, trust and commitment vs rush exploitation and wanting profit
with animals you can either rush, take short cuts which is much easier.
i’ve seen how rediculous he charges for a very short session. for me it’s clear he wants to fit in as many sessions as possible in order to make the most money it’s just like greedy businesses
my guy is abusing dogs in b-road daylight and defending it with “i have results”
wow you cannot even say the dogs are even the same, night and day. DD dog has a muzzle on, where yours is just shy, STOP THE HATE AND GET A LIFE.
Ugghh how can ppl allow someone to treat their dog like this right in front of their eyes 😢
Thank you for all you do!!!!
Zak is just an online BULLY, go to a class and learn something new to help the dogs. Grown man being an online bully, will be reporting everything you do and say against DD and any other trainer you wanna try and pick on. GROW UP
I’m shocked this guy still make videos I remember first time watching this guy was 6-7 years ago when I first got my dog
nah zak just hates on all other trainers these days or posts really old clips of himself.
Firstly, i train my dogs NEVER to accept food from a stranger. It must always come from my hand because I will not risk them eating something they should not. Secondly, this wasnt even a close comparison to the type of dogs your nemesis handles, which was supposed to be the angle of the video was it not? Sorry, not even close mate. This dog was not aggressive at all, just wary and on protection duty.
I think dogs are individuals as much as we are. Different needs for different personalities
Show them how it's really done Zak!! ❤❤
Dog is wagging his tail and barely barking you call that aggressive. Lmao come on man u cant throw treats at an aggressive dog scared and trying to protect his owner in a strange place. Try it with a real aggressive dog
I don't wish ill on others but what I'd give to see one of those dogs...... That man's evil. I'm on the fence about Cesar but I've never seen or heard of him treating dogs with such aggression and frankly hate. Dog daddy has no interest in helping those dogs, he just wants to look like a big shot. Horrible person
You can’t just throw treats at aggressive and reactive dogs they need to be corrected every time how are you a trainer 😭💀
You believe lies from a charlatan
Are you deaf or did you just not bother to listen to the other half of the video? 😂 It's not just about treats 🙄
Corrected for what? For being uncomfortable and afraid?
You work on slowly building up positive associations. Did you actually listen to what he was saying? Dogs don't learn well when they're overstressed. Don't intentionally push a dog well over its limits. Be patient.
@@FoxbrushDrawsyou are clueless. You can never train a dog to be confident with the real world by throwing hotdogs at it. Making him comfortable with one person does nothing about the underlying issues. He acts like the dog accepting him being near... Is training. 🤣😂😂😅
@@ryans9029 first of all if you do not agree let me hear what you would do about it. How would you train a uncomfortable dog, how do you think it should be handled?
Second getting a dog feeling okay just around a couple people can make a big difference, I know this from personal experience. There was a lady that told my dad that she had a dog, but that her roommate was not mentally stable and would threaten the dog. The dog would often hide underneath the bed scared of him. So my dad told me and my mom, we were thinking it over for a couple days when my dad got a call from her again. She said that we HAD to come pick the dog up because her roommate was threatening to shoot the dog, and we had to come pick the dog up as soon as possible. My dad went to get the dog and brought her back home and we renamed her Ellie. All of this made Ellie protective and sometimes aggressive when she thought you were going to hurt her. I would try to pet her and she almost bit my hand off, so I trained her to let me pet her. After I trained her, witch took only one training session because she was already okay with me being close to her, she was okay with me petting her after she was trained. She then would let strangers pet her and rub her belly, but of course this improvement was a couple weeks after we got her. So that was my personal experience with Ellie.
The reason owners bring their dogs to this man is they want and think he’s giving them a quick fix. I appreciate people have busy lives but how is manhandling the dog with prong collars and the like teaching them anything other than people equals pain. Surely slow and steady wins the race by changing the dog’s mindset and perception of people.
I have a Bo such similar markings as well he is responding very well to this type of training. I have lots of folks around me on the streets willing to work to know him ❤ that film underneath is so traumatizing who the hell is like this ? I hate it😢
I have enjoyed Dog Daddy and dealing with hard to train dogs however, if my dog is scared, don’t come up and grab the leash and start jerking him/her around. I am always seeking to learn from a better informed dog trainer who treats each dog according to that dogs personality, not always based on their breed. I foster cattle dogs and they each come packed with surprises. We take each one and work from the bottom up.
I truly believe in the 3-3-3 method to start training them the basics! Thanks for teaching me more today than I knew yesterday.🤗🙏🏼👍🏼👏🏼