It may be relevant to note that there were Jewish troops stationed in Cyrene under the Ptolemies in the early Hellenistic Era. This may provide a possible mechanism for the origin myth of Cyrenaica that Philippe Wajdenbaum discusses to have come to the attention of the biblical authors.
It may be relevant to note, all history of the east is a fabrication -immanuel velikovsky, anatoly fomenko. Secondly, old testament biblical events happened in the americas. Those "jewz" in their stolen promised land are ashkanazi and kazarian "jewz" neither of which are shemites.
The Anatolian (aka "the Greek") Oligarchy had not invented the "jews" yet. I would consider your source a very recent fiction. In fact most of the Greek "history" was dreamt up during the Renaissance Classicism, of merchant bankers of Anatolian origins, such as the Medici. The first alleged use of "jews" or loan collectors was during Sarah-Theodora (the "jewish" queen) Empress of Bulgaria during the Second Bulgarian Empire and second wife of Tsar Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria (ruled 1331-1371). Despite being "jewish" herself, she decided that the "jews" had collected more than enough of the loan, and quickly moved in to confiscate their property. And here we see that "jew" is not an ethnic classification but a profession. The "Great" Kings of Europe borrowed vast sums from the Anatolian Oligarchy (aka "the Greeks) and had to "welcome" some bizarrely described group of people (the "jews") for reasons which the official narrative is totally silent about. Well the reason is very simple - "Great" Greeks such as Charlemagne, Guilaumes the Conqueror, Napoleonas, Petros I the Greek from Russia, etc. all borrowed money from the Anatolian Greek Oligarchy, but did not want to pay the money back themselves, so the Greek Oligarchy would send their loan collectors to get the loan back from the populations. Most of the first "jews" were recruited from Thrace (modern Bulgaria an Greece) and Greece/Anatolia (modern Turkey).
Yeah, I wondered if Judaism actually started under some sort of auxiliary troop under Ptolemy, where a tradition began under this special ops and grew into a cult and then a full blown religion with a capital R...🤔👩🏫🤷♀️😀
The difficulty in this is not offending the believers in the three Abrahamic faiths by taking the exaggerated details as part of the legendary tradition. The moment that you suggest that Abraham didn’t actually live 175 years, they lose their bloody minds. They have no trouble in believing part of the narrative of the history of Troy is exaggeration, but not their bibles. Those are 100% accurate, no matter how much evidence there is proving otherwise.
Agreed. Religion is astrotheolgy or Creation Myth Philosophies cultural adapted per region. Check out the names of the dieties. Auset (Isis) title Queen of Heaven, Freya title Queen of Heaven, Hera title Queen of Heaven, Inanna title Queen of Heaven, Ishtar title Queen of Heaven, Maria Magdalena title Queen of Heaven, etc. Most of their original names translated means The Lady. There is a bit of a pattern, isn't it? But then these personified human mind concepts were personified and worhsipped being turned into priestly mouthpieces to aquire power. Real sad. 'Chosen' people... :( The teachings are fine but the religious people exploited it to justify domination claiming being 'virtues' and 'kind'.
In Greek mythology, two males of the same family, Daedalus and Icarus son of Daedalus, fashioned artificial wings and took to the air near the sea coast. In modern times, two male relatives, Wilbur and Orville Wright, fashioned artificial wings and took to the air near a sea coast. In mythology, one of the two flyers fell from the sky and died; one of the two Wright brothers, Orville, fell from the sky when his plane crashed in 1908, killing his passenger and contributing to Orville's death a few years later. The names "Daedalus" and "Wright" both mean "craftsman." Coincidence???
Different era same people.. if you believe in reincarnation.. nothing new under the sun. The galaxy is a mythical mythisum clock time recycle.. we are in galaxy space-time cosmos dimension mechanism energy forces of effects the great reset of the beginning of time.. were there a beginning there always a end. I joking but the theory is true.. lol 😆 🤣
Daedalus murdered his nephew Perdix. Did Wilbur do that? Daedalus also built a labyrinth. Did Wilbur do that? In any case, the British invented powered flight, not the Wrights.
The best content as usual. I’ve been reading pieces and parts of this since the 80s and am glad to see someone present it so professionally and intelligently 👏👏👏
The whole Yahweh in the tent actually comes from Mesopotamia... they use to have statues of their gods like Dumuzid The Shepherd... or Enki or Enlil or Marduk others... each city had a statue of their gods they dressed and treated like a real human... they use to steal them from each other in battle also... Abraham was from Ur... they had a pantheon of Anu gods
@kingofdetroit358 I am starting to think yes he maybe was also truthfully... or there was something special to it Anu bloodline related... I guarantee there is way more to why the Roman's murked him off
@eddynunezsanchez8222 dude... you are brilliant I never even thought of that juxtaposed... but maybe so subconsciously... it is all in the Akkadian inscriptions regarding steal the gods out of the top of the ziggurats... lots of people don't realize the phases of Mesopotamia and how it all unfolded from Sumer... the Jews talk shit about Babylon... but we now know Babylon treated them very well and let them practice their Jewish law religion
I've been following MythVision for two years and find this particular doc best summary of our impulse toward mythologism, if I may. In literary scholarship, archetypal criticism yields psychological reasons for character types that imply plots, recognized behavior patterns we relate to. Then w "masterplot" thinking, we find there are only so many stories possible. Just change the names and dates. Each type of literary criticism shows universal themes in stories. Feminist, Marxist, Archetypal, Formal, Post-Modern, etc. can occupy a brilliant mind thru a satisfying career, but none can tell the whole story of story-ism, if I may. It is one thing to show influence and precedence, even plagiarism, but another to address and satisfy our needs. That is for creative writers, to may modern myths, such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Chronicles of Narnia. There I go starting an article instead of just praising the goal of MythVision simply to inform us of exactly what we are reading. Thank you. I wd like to hear more about our psychological "need" for the same things throughout history.
thus the apt allusion to Claude Lévi-Strauss' perspective. (stupid jeans co. makin it hard to google the man.) Everyone should know more about him & his work. Top 20, maybe 10 geniuses of all time, imo. He takes the general and flowery sentiment you expressed (no offense. I employ a similar standard) and makes it toight! (Tite)
yep, the ideas and myths best addressing psychological needs propagated and survived and it is all happening to these days - this is why we have diversities withing major religions to meet the needs of subgroups.
@@theonetruetimRead Not In His Image if you want a taste of genius. If you’re actually serious about those Top 10/20 then you’ll likely appreciate it.
The possibility that seems to be overlooked in this theory is that both myths are drawing on a common pre-existing indo European source which is why you see parallels across many religions.
I’m excited to watch, but I know it will somehow enrage me for the 35 years of wasted breath and religious trauma I’ve lived. I’m so embarrassed that I am one of the people who wanted to “spread the word” saying “I’ll pray for you, God is good” and believed almost everything I did would send me straight to hell. Religious indoctrination and teaching to children should be illegal.
So you've accepted the idea that your life has no more value than a grain of dirt, and whether you live or die does not matter. Furthermore, nothing matters since everything is just the result of cosmic randomness.
Damn dude, I love your new style and how you're are branching out. It's just mind boggling thinking about how far you've come. This is seriously impressive work and I can't help but feel proud and happy for you.
I once wrote a paper (unpublished) linking the mythical Golden Fleece of Colchis with the Golden Apples of the Hesperides near the Straits of Gibraltar. Both hanging from a tree in a sacred garden, attended to by a priestess & protected by a huge dragon, etc., etc. The kicker: the Greek word for Golden Fleece and Golden Apples is the same, chrysomallon (where chryso signifies golden and mallon can mean either an apple or a sheep). Your discussion of the additional connections with Abraham are fascinating, following the discussions of Philippe Wajdenbaum & Neal Godfrey.
It’s a good thing that it is unpublished because anyone with a basic grasp of Greek would laugh his ass off your etymological connections. Χρυσόμαλλον means golden haired, Χρυσό Μήλο means golden apple. Absolutely no relation apart from both being golden. The word for sheep is Αμνός. Ps the word for fleece is Δέρας, by just saying χρυσόμαλλον it merely means golden haired. You have to specify it by saying Χρυσόμαλλον Δέρας, meaning golden haired fleece. There you go…
@@joek600 He’s referring to Ancient or Classical Greek, not Modern Greek. In Ancient Greek, he is correct. μῆλον • (mêlon) n (genitive μήλου); second declension 1. apple 2. any fruit tree 3. sheep 4. goat 5. beast
@@christinakuba8251 Νο Μηλον never meant sheep in Ancient or Medieval or Modern Greek. In ancient AND modern Greek the sheep is called Πρόβατο or Αμνός (the young sheep). Ὁ δ’ ἠλίθιος ὥσπερ πρόβατον βῆ βῆ λέγων βαδίζει. Υοu are confusing it with Μήλος (different word) which came from the pro-Hellenic Βήλος meaning sheep.
As an atheist of Jewish heritage I've never doubted the pagan origins of Judaism. Almost all figures and motifs within the Bible can be shown to have mythical origins. The Abraham narrative to me always seemed to me to have originated in the interraction of the Hurrians with the Canaanites except that instead of the incoming Hurrians adopting Canaanite practises and ideas the Bible inverts what happened historically with the incoming Abraham bringing the worship of El to Canaan from Harran (the Hurrian homeland).
The Rabbi who speaks at my church (Unitarian Universalist) says that "Abraham" likely means something like spirit of the mountain top, and "Sarai" refers to a grove of trees. VERY Pagan.
Judaism isn't enduring, it's stories and ethics doesn't ring true because of the similarities with local pagan lore but the minor differences. The nuance.
@@alienviewpoint4296IMO to try to explain the natural world around them & the uncontrollable forces they did not have better tools to explain at the time. Throw in some ancestor worship & various human logical fallacies & pattern seeking and gods & spirits of all sorts emerged, or so it seems.
And people making content about stories that aren't true, nor took place, it's ironic that these channels seem to have it out for Christianity(truly only for views, clicks and $), when all their content is based upon the same EXACT myths they purport to be nonsense, turn around and there's a video about Abraham, but wait, Abraham didn't exist, Derek doesn't believe in the Bible, or does he, just parts of it?! See the issue, I don't support ANY channels with an agenda other than helping others see truth.
Though I buy the fact that Greek culture certainly did influence the Jewish culture at some point during the authorship of the Bible, we must not ignore that the Greeks learned to read and write from the Phoenicians, who literally originated next door to the Israelite / Canaanite kingdoms. This to say, since these cultures wrote mainly on parchment /papyrus, who is to say that the Greeks did not inertia more that the alphabet? And may have imported myths, legends and storytelling from any Phoenician literature existing at the time? Which we may never know because Alexander burned Tyre and Sidon, and the Romans burned down Carthage and it’s related cities.
At 36:45, you mention the alleged use of slave labor in Egypt for construction. Historians have shown that not slaves, but free Egyptian farmers built the stone projects of the pharaohs. It was a patriotic duty, they worked during winter, the farming off-season, and were paid for their work.
You know, somehow I'm not surprised at the Greek influence. I've known for years that something wasn't right with history. Thank you. This channel reveals more pieces of the puzzle. 📚🔎
@@Bluesoteric Thanks. Alien in the sense that most people have short memories and mostly analyse data in a specific context. But things in one sphere of knowledge may be relevant to whatever sphere one is currently looking at. Like, the foundations for the current political and social events were laid down more than 20 years ago. But who knows that?
@@Bluesoteric We know that history is written by the victors and I have to wonder if its been guided for millenium too. I could almost think that even science is hushing up stuff, even above and beyond their vested self-interest. I don't doubt that the majority of Biblical scholars know how we got the writings.
@RobKoch1962 yes! They were the Habiru in the Amarna letters. I am glad someone else remembered. I can not find it. The show was about ancient military battles and tactics, maybe.
About the Maccabees. I have a suspicion. After the sea people were defeated by Ramses III they settled in the levante and were called the "Philistines". They probably came from mycenean greece as found pottery from the Philistines tell us. After some centuries those pottery became the same as that from the neighbors in the levante. They might have adopted much of the culture. Now, the bedouine culture is so that sometimes tribes merge for some reason, but before there will be a long powwow of the eldest to find common ground. They will inevitably find a common grand grand grand aunt or father so they can say "we are one tribe anyway". To me the maccabee tells me that some of the philistines got integrated as jewish tribe. Maybe the tribe "Dan". Also the whole Samson story is a bit off in the bible. It reminds a bit of Hercules. Could be from the myceneans to bring a part of their culture into the pot.
Nice sum up about the Philsitines and the Maccabee revolt. However I reason that the Hebrew Faith is roughly from 300 bce yet it gets poured into its form we are aquinted with today in the 1th century ce. Most peoples in Roman Southern Syria or Palestine weren't the Jews we know today. There is a possibility that the original Hebrew Faith died out and its legacy modified even more and the religion was reignited by rebels that fought against the Romans getting traction by the common people. And then the Romans to combat one new occult teaching created another brandnew occult teaching the Gospel using Hinduism (Krishna tied to tree pierced in his side by an arrow, after three days rises again etc), Mithras (polulair with the Roman soldiers) and Eleusis Mysteries.
@@hueym2196 what original word 'Jew'? 🤣You guys are not even listening to the lessons in these teachings and still hung up with Catholic Dogma and Rabbinical Judaism.
@@jamesstevenson7725 It usually goes both ways. Some philistines seems to have joined the jews, other did not. Those were deported by the Assyrians after they conquered Israel and they did not come back as the jews did after the babylonian time. It were the jewish elites only anyway. And they got influenced by the babylonians of course. What we know about the Philistines from archeological findings, their pottery and tools changed over few generations until they were the same as those from the local jews and phoenicians.
Noah's descendants are on the Sumerian King's list. His great grandson Tarshish who founded Tarsis and is remembered as one of the Hercules is the first king after the flood on the Sumerian King's list recorded as Jushur. He is also the writer of the book of Jasher where the ideas of Genesis originate. His son recorded as Kullasina-bel was the horned Hercules known as Tectauus the Bull who the constellation Taurus is named after and is remembered in India as Shiva.
Shree Abraham was an incarnation of The Almighty, He was one of the Ten Adi Gurus, the guru principal of God, that gave us the 'Good direction, the Spirit that which we are, have ten valances to sustain its self, written in the Bible as the Ten Commandments, after Self Realisation/second birth, our attention becomes enlightened by the Spirit, it becomes sustained by the Spirit, then we become the witness, we become detached and so thus Matter can dominate us no more, our Spirit then becomes the Guru and all these bad habits drop of! The seed of Abraham is of Spirit and not of the flesh!
I'm complicated. I kinda grew up Christian and converted to Catholicism as a teen with my mom. Now my son is going to the same Catholic school where we converted. My mom is 100% a believer. I'm not sure, I have a bs in Anthropology and learned to respect all religions and cultural practices. The more i delved into any one culture, i saw similarities between neighboring civilizations. This theory of biblical characters being based on greek myths is extremely fascinating to me. I remember how much of my learning during convention was "this is allegory" "this is a metaphor" "this is using everyday life to help explain....""this is using the local.... to help explain.... to the locals if that region". Kinda makes sense to me, and kinda explains why Christianity took off during the Roman Empire. Most of the roman citizens were aware of roman(greek inspired oftentimes) myths and another greek inspired mythology wouldn't be that unfamiliar and would actually help to spread ideas.
Great work. Since my childhood I could never accept that the God of Love asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son just to test him in faith. Or that the same God of love killed by the hand of his angel the infants of the Egyptians. The first act reminded me more of Zeus who always had issues testing mortals with "impossible missions". The second reminds me Herod killing all infants when Christ was born. Since many testimonies and prophecies of the oracles of Delphi known as Sibyls, many details about Christ's life and deeds/miracles had been foretold thousands of years BC even about his second coming found translated in Latin in Ciceron's writings who died BC. These prophecies since they are so old, they might had travelled the world up to India governed by Alexander's generals for centuries and therefore we hear from India about the God Krishna (Kristos) or other similar stories and that is why we see similar personalities like Jesus both in far East and West. What is astonishing and deserves a lot of attention are the details Apollo gives about Jesus claiming that "Jesus is my God" after foretelling his birth by holy Mary, some of his miracles and his crucifixion, and in another prophecy about the all mighty God his says "... small part of him, angels of him we are". These prophecies reveal a different history about Greece which was concealed by specific emperors of Byzantium and the Romans who forbitten the books of Sibyls. This history really worth looking into.
When u say the word "God" u mean the person that a group of ppl that have opposing interests to the Egyptians are using in a straw man symbolic manner, right???
But how would Apollo claim that Jesus is his God if the letter "J" didn't even exist at that time??? Perhaps Apollo then pulled out his IPhone and shared a few pics of Jesus, or an email that Jesus sent him... U see what we are actually talking about is a veryyyy ancient POLITICAL SITUATION THAT WAS BETWEEN TWO ESOTERIC MYSTERY SCHOOL BASED CULTS, each of which wanted to be in charge of this world... And on one side of this esoteric political battle for supremacy was the MOON CULT...and their symbolic moon god was called "SIN"...and they would worship their moon cult God symbol on their sacred mountain range which was called "AI" at that time...thus "mount SIN-AI" story was born...with the moon cult rules being given to them by their respective moon cult deity... While, simultaneously, the opposition had the SUN CULT running their political agenda... Thus their symbolic gods were all representing attributes of the SUN... Apollo the SUN God, Amen RA the SUN God, Jesus the SUN God, etc... And the Sun Gods political cult would obviously hold their gatherings on SUN day...while the Moon cult meetings would be held at SIN-agogues after sun down, and when the moon came out... And as a sign of disrespect the SUN cult would call the Moon cult members "sinners"...WHY? Bc they were not following their SUN God's list of rules, or joining their Sun cult... thus, the mystery school esoteric political battle was on...
Ancient civilizations, including Greek, Egyptian, Epic of Gilgamesh, India....had legends of "star people" or demi-gods who cohabited with human women and produced hybrids. These demi-gods were Fallen Angels, who were stripped of their original physical bodies by God, the Father. But they could still manipulate their SPIRITS in and out of hybrid bodies. These hybrids included Shiva, Thoth......The children of the Fallen Angels were Nephiliim GIANTS. Ancient mythology is full of stories of these hybrids. These entities are SINISTER and have always known of God's plan to send His Son , Jesus Christ, to die for our sins on the cross. They MOCK the One True God, of the Bible; and that is why there are so many similarities to the Biblical narrative.
Who are they, these academic, intellectual, philosophical, psychological and scientific great minds the brilliant theorists the great mathematician geniuses? Those already passed on to a nether world and the ones still living? The Einsteins and Darwins and Galileos' and Copernicus's? Who are they, the greats of the greatest brilliant learned scholars and intellectuals? We all know who they are and were: THEY ARE ALL MORTAL! What makes them different from the normal us if they too are but slaves to a mortal existence, what power of different authority do they hold if they cannot, like us, a lower form, break the barrier of death that holds us captive, and cannot at will of choice return from beyond the grave and unseen realm of pass the threshold of death? Even those who claim the insanity of time travel, where, one asks excel their power of boundless access to manipulate time if they cannot step into the infinity of unseen DIMENSIONS at will and return from the beyond of the edge of time into the sphere of the very portals of death, what hold their fantasies of time travel if it is but mere an enlightened wish to travel on the waves of time but bound to that which is nothing but a fantasy image of their own world, and not a one beyond the threshold of death? Today they may slip into a sense outside the day order of hours and minutes yet in their tomorrow eternal captives of the gates of death and can never return? UNLESS OF COURSE WE HOLD INDEED THE POWER TO BREAK THE BOUNDARY OF DEATH DWELL BEYOND AND SEE THAT WHICH IS UNSEEN, AND TRAVEL WITHOUT TIME AND RETURN AT WILL, THEN THEY ARE THE TRUE MASTERS OF KNOWLEDGE AND FAR DIFFERENT THAN MERE MORTAL SLAVES OF THIS HERE LIFE, WHICH RUNS OUT FASTER THAN THE SHADOW OF A CHAMPION SPRINTER AND NO LONGER THAN THE LIFE OF A DAY LABOURER. Unless we become masters of exiting the mortal boundaries of death and return at will we all are just the same humankind that are limited to a mortal existence that allows us not to know beyond our mortal state, a life sack of bones mere food for worms even if the most brilliant Intelligent minds, but a host to worms and maggots. All on point to an insane quest to catch the wind !
For me this is one of the most fascinating of all your shows, and that's really saying something. It is packed with mind boggling food for thought. Watching it was like reading a book i can't put down! Thank you!
Let’s not forget that Abraham literally means Father Ram. An unmistakable reference to Aries. These myths are created within the context of “heavenly inspiration” based on Astrology. Why Aries? To acknowledge the Age of Aries as part of progression of the great year, as Moses and the golden calf (Taurus), and Christ (Pisces) the two fish.
Wonderfully dense, elegant, and easily appreciated as not only reasonable, but compelling to any one paying attention. (Step right up: virgins & veterans! This is for everyone.) Love the mention of Claude Lévi-Strauss (one of my fave thinkers) Playboy (Abe's gal was foine for 30, no less 80. lol) and Disco (the world is now ready for Disco-Grunge? nah.... [?]) & I dig the way you (Dereck) are able to straddle the line between accessible top-tier conventions & academic contentions. 100% fair. 100% provocative. Rare, & True; I see you. To Be Continued... (see u then)
I so appreciare Derek's style. It helps me to listen without emotional triggers because of use of devices like "anyway wink wink" and " dust buster". It reminds me of Anne Rice's wonderful description of the Vampire Lestat. His dialect likened to a combination of a 17th century aristocrat mixed with a flat bottomed boatman on the Mississipi outside early ❤ New Orleans.
I frequently wonder if Derek ever reflects on how bazaar it is that he went from "just asking questions" to producing some of the best content on RUclips.
My own linguistic background is American Middlewestern, geographically not so far away where I am guessing where you grew up. Nevertheless it was a major barrier to my understanding that the word I pronounce as "tayles" you pronounce as "tels." I have read a lot of your material online and I admire your efforts to direct non-specialists like me to the people who are taking a leading role in contemporary biblical debates. So thanks!
Iirc, Derek hails from North Carolina. There were at least three oft repeated words in this video, including *tales,* where the accent made itself known.
Just now, in this time we live is mankind’s consciousness awakening once again, it’s in a perpetual cycle of light and darkensss! We must wake up to what we KNOW to be TRUE and let our hearts guide us purely🙏🌎
You people come from the caucus mountains Are you a true American So that would mean Abraham did not necessarily have to be the people But But could be Foreign to that land The book of Jubilee says so
To be honest I thought this was pretty weak. The similarities seem very general. Things like Greeks and Israelites who had leaders who prescribed laws. They both conquered new lands. Didn’t all civilisations do this?
Recent research has put a lot of skepticism on the claim that the grand civil projects of Egypt, like the pyramids, were done by slaves. The excavation of the encampments where the builders lived during the construction shows tools and other evidence of paid laborers. We can argue that living conditions of the time were harsh, but to claim that they were slaves would require that chains and other instruments of coercion be common.
Abraham and Sarah are same as Brahma and Sarasvati of hinduism. Old testament in ancient herbew is actually a version of sanskrit and are Rigveda verbatim.
When I was a seminarian in the mid 80s (1984-1986), I wrote a paper on the Akedah, and how it was completely foreign to modern moral sensibilities. How-severed from the Christian interpretation of it being some sort of foretelling of Christocentric substitutionary atonement-it was a stark, existentialist, and mysterious. God will provide a way-but by what cruelty, and at what cost? It was the story of a terrible god. I had left any form of literalistic historical interpretation years before this when I was in college. And yet, as I wrote this paper and thought about the text I was studying, I knew I was missing something in this story. It was SO FOREIGN. But, whatever it was, it was a picture of a very, very alien understanding of the mysteries of the holy. My Old Testament seminary professor was horrified at the conclusions in my paper. It was, as far as I’m concerned, the best paper I ever wrote. I had no idea of the turmoil in Old Testament Studies at the time. I wish I had known about these scholars back then.
@@MythVisionPodcast The feeling is mutual. I have been watching your channel for a long time and you have introduced me to some great reading material. Your content is only getting better and better. Quality!
People miss an important point when it comes to Abraham sacrificing Isaac. The story makes a point of telling us that it was a Donkey / Mule that took Abraham to the mountain. ... and that it was supposedly El who asked for the sacrifice but Jehovahs angel who intervened. Two different gods. This is not a story, it's a hit piece against El. This is Mercury / Set taking over the Israelite religion. Mercury the amalgamater.
OR it si a load of made up astrological bollocks that people are still arguing if they are real stories of not thousands of years after that should have been obviously not the case,
If you can't trust the bible narrative for Abraham, you can't trust it for Yeshua (Jesus). Yeshua took Moses as historical fact and mentioned Abraham as a literal man.
Who is Yeshua and why is he in any way real? OR are you saying a fictional character treated another fictional character real in their fictional arc therefore one or both of them must be real? Yes Harry Potter speaks of Voldomort as historical so they both must be real.
Outrageous and Exquisite. Great documentary that kept me from my sleep. Myth as the creationism of peoples, new lands and novel identities. It all comes to naught in the end. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
Probably written-- or at least much of it-- with the alleged translation of the Septuagint. The authors had access to the shelves of the Library, which included not only Egyptian records but everything both they and the Greeks had collected from prior Empires throughout the region. This explains how you get source-texts from across big stretches of space and time. It's also likely that Persian instructions to the "Returners" (read: Persian colonial administrators transplanted to rule Yehud under the pretext of being former Elites that had been rulers there already before), who effectively found Judaism, are incorporated into the text as well. Parts of Deuteronomy are pretty clearly portions of these instructions/contract with these transportees.
yup,, and all that combined with the use of a version of a canaanite/phenician (west-semitic) alphabet that we know today as hebrew, where of arameic, syriac and arabic are descended.
@@jasonjenkins7825 I must understand that as if the canaanites/ israelites spoke a dialect and for their writings they borowed a language and an alphabet from their northern neighbours ?
@@willempasterkamp862Joseph used the Egyptian alphabet for the rest to use once they migrated into Egypt If I remember correctly, the Egyptian alphabet they used didn’t change over u til Samuel wrote the book of Joshua in paleo-Hebrew Before they went into Egypt they didn’t have a written language Egyptian hieroglyph’s produced the semetic languages and the Latin languages with migration of the peoples who had adopted their culture Similar to how German split into 2, and one become high and low German, and the other became English The 10 commandments were originally written in Egyptian hieroglyphs, so was genesis-Deuteronomy But the Egyptian language method is different than the Israelite language method Similar to how they used the Aramaic alphabet into their language, and German alphabet with Yiddish It’s not Aramaic or German, they just used their alphabet I know Greek was the first written language with vowels, but I can’t remember where greek came from, they claim it’s older than Latin and didn’t come from there, but not a sub family of egyptian
The Septuagint is the most accurate Old Testament, around 100 a.d. they invented a new Hebrew Old Testament to translate out the connection to Jesus Christ One of the main issues is they changed the dates to not match up, with the Hebrew text the earth is currently 6000 years old, so Jesus can’t be the messiah, with the Septuagint the earth is currently 7600 years old, matching up date wise with Jesus being Christ There are other stuff they changed, but Christian’s pretty much fixed 90% of their errors by 1200 a.d. One of the main issues is Revelation Jesus declares the same name as God told Moses His name was in exodus The original language purity is a myth, Moses wrote the first 5 books in Egyptian
Hellenization of the Judahites via Alexander and his successors is one of those things that is avoided by nearly all Christian preachers and is even a topic rarely found in the writings of so-called Christian scholars. If you take a typical (American) evangelical and tell them that *the books in what they call the OT are the result of two socio-political movements:* _1) the returnee elites from Babylon attempting to assert their control in the 6th century BCE, and 2) the religious leaders in the subsequent Judahite society attempting to deal with the Hellenization resulting from Alexander's empire_ , said evangelicals will just look at you with either a blank face or a scowling face.
hebrew and hebrews had long died out The culture you might be speaking of existed in Arabia, Hejaz, Asir, Yemen. There is no continual link. Catholic Dogma and Rabbinnical Judaism have fooled everyone into believing and building on the nation creation done by the Maccabbees and 2nd century projected historical fantasies.
Awesome as all Derek's productions. One thing that struggles me in these explanations. I always thought about Isaac's story as a message: Jahweh doesn't demand sacrificing children as the Canaanite's deities did (so Jahweh is the real god). This would point to human sacrifice as the origin of Isaac's story but the practice of child sacrifice is much older (before 500 or 600 BC) than hellenism - 300 BC.
YHWH did indeed demand sacrifice. That's been redacted, for the most part. But as to whether the same entity commanded the sacrifice as stopped it has always been up for debate. Wondering if this isn't when YHWH got "divorced".
@@jennifersilves4195 The only way human could have try to affect deity's decision was to give this deity the most precious thing - child. Child sacrifice was present in different cultures - Incas did it too and not that long ago compared to Canaanites. Something unthinkable now was thinkable then. Canaanites (or ancient Israelites) were probably one of the first realizing it shouldn't been done, wrote this down as God's words and this made their God so popular. After giving it more thoughts - the hellenistic influences in Levant most likely predate Alex the Great. Greece could easily affect Pentateuch stories even before 300BC 🙂
@@jennifersilves4195 ps The child sacrifice in Canaan is a sensitive topic - Jews don't want anything to do with it but also for Christians would be hard to accept that God the Father demanded this. Blaming it on Ball is a safe solution easy to accept but who knows what was going on the Temple Mound - sacrifices? most likely, child sacrifice - we don't have any evidence, better don't talk about it.
yes my favorite part of this production was correlation to Jason and the Argonauts and Plato, gives me more reason to find out more about them as they could tie to the bible and the arbrahamic story
Derek I Love all your work. But Archaeology disproves the idea of the Hebrews as a group being enslaved in Egypt and being used for the great building projects. The housing for the project workers have been found. Showing they were too well housed and fed to have been a slave population. I hope you have a show with the archaeologists who can confirm this.
Very true, but you don't even need the archeological evidence - the events within Exodus itself contradict that notion. Slaves wouldn't have had all of that gold jewelry that they melted down to make the idol.
@davidjohnson5723 A half truth! They didn't start off as slaves. In the time of Joseph they had a blessed existence but that Pharoe died and the new one didn't know Joseph and so they became enslaved.
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Fascinating, been binge watching this series! ❤ Minor comment Wajdenbaum is an alternative (bad) spelling of the German Weidenbaum (Willow tree). Instead of Waj… read it like Vie… (as in to vie for attention).
Great stuff as always, guys. Makes me wonder about Callisto. The similarities to Christ and this sacrificial ram you are discussing are quite striking.
Callisto was an avatar of the goddess Artemis. Artemis was originally a she bear goddess, and Callisto was turned into a bear. There is a bear taboo, as Callisto means most beautiful, just as in Russian a bear is medved, honey eater. In fact bear means the brown one, so that is also taboo deformation.
Father Brahma and his half sister wife Saraisvati. Before that, Ausar and sister wife Aset, represented by Sirius and Orion. Thank Onkelos for the Greek rewrites.
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Hello, thank you very much for this video. It was very interesting. However I feel there is something missing here: linguistics. Is there a correlation with later hebrew language in the text that most closely resemble greek mythology, versus older test and more archaic language? And is there an influence of the greek language over the hebrew, like there is an influence of aramaic over the greek in some places in the New testament?
I could best be described as an agnostic in the modern terms,. I am not a faith based person. However, I did major in history in college so I know a little something about that. TBH, I have seen more than enough convincing evidence that Moses was likely a priest in Egypt. The Israelites influenced Greek culture just as it said in Maccabees. The Greeks absorbed the Tribe of Dan around 1500bc who in Greece became known as the Danoi, they split off in boats during the events of the Exodus. While the Israelites lived in Egypt they were known as the Habarou (not much of a stretch from HEBREW and their depictions in art look very Semitic). The Exodus likely happened around the time of Ahnkenaten, the first Monotheistic Pharaoh. After his death, his family and followers had to flee Egypt because the old Egyptian priest class took back power, His daughter Scotia likely wound up in Ireland and its where the Scots took their name. Archeological evidence of a small Egyptian presence in Ireland has been found. Noah was based on a real person otherwise known as Umapishtan in Mesopotamia, the flood "myth" is in creation tales all over the world and we now understand there was massive worldwide flooding during the Younger-Drays period. All I'm saying is if these people might have existed, Abraham may have been based on a real person, we should give more credence to the ancient myths as holding grains of true history We find more and more evidence all the time that pushes back the dawn of civilization into the last Ice Age.
Other parallels - the rash oath motif -the story of Iphigeneia.Agamemnon's daughter sacrificed to placate the gods and to obtain favorable winds on the way to Troy, Idomeneus king of Crete sacrificing his son to Neptune to obtain safe passage back to Crete echoed in the story of Jephthah promising to sacrifice his daughter Iphis. Israel Finkelstein sees a direct link between the story of Iphigeneia and that of Jephthah's daughter Iphis.
She was transported to Tauris in the Crimea where she became a priestess of Diana. Marooned sailors were sacrificed here and when her brother Orestes was marooned she spared his life. I'm familiar with the operas ofGluck the great Austrian composer who wrote 3 of his musical masterpieces on the 3 parts of this legend@@Wulf425
Brahman - Abraham Flavius Josephus …(in the) Antiquities of the Jews … quotes Aristotle (384 b.c.e.-322 b.c.e.) as saying that Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers and are known as the Calani. Clearchus of Soli was a student in Aristotle’s school. In his book, De Somno, he elaborates on the story of how Aristotle discovered this information, but the basic concept remained the same. Megasthenes was an ambassador of Seleucus I of Syria to India, before the latter’s death in 288 b.c.e. Megasthenes wrote that the Jews were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani. Except for the spelling he agreed with Aristotle and Clearchus. Higgins also claims that Ur of the Chaldees, the home of Abraham mentioned in the Bible, was actually Ur of the Chaldeans. “Chaldean,” he continues, is actually “Kaul-Deva” or the Holy Kauls, a Brahmanical caste of India. He writes that the tribe of the Brahmin was expelled from or left India and settled in Goshen in Egypt. - Part I by Anonymousfor Prajapati Your welcome
I'm pretty attached to the idea that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are parallel stories of the various subcultures of the southern Levant as it was in the 9th century BCE as seen from the post-exilic and broadly pro-Judahite/anti-Canaanite perspective
It's probably much older than that (see my comments on this post) but what you should be asking is "why everyone is following this same narrative?" - Surely this should be the main takeaway from a video like this? We can discuss all day who influenced who BUT the question is why? If it's just a foundational narrative like the scholars are saying then why wouldn't you just write your own better version ( one reason I would argue the Greek version is later because it is more detailed than the Jewish one but there are other more fundamental reasons)
In other words they are completely separate characters from different oral traditions in Canaan that were combined to create the patriarch narrative founding myth
@@charlesandrews2360 if that is correct then it swings the pendulum of probability back towards the Greeks as being the imitators of the canaanite myths. What are the 3 canaanite myths you refer to?
Abraham and Jacob are thought by some to be separate oral traditions that were brought together when it was written down between the 6th and 3rd Century BCE. The story of Joseph in Egypt maybe another separate memory. I don't know, it's just what I've gleaned from watching RUclips videos basically. I enjoy Israel Finkelstein lectures on this subject.
Derek, your approach is appreciated and needed. For years I longed to hear scholars of the caliber you've interviewed and given time to, so they may provide true substance. Shorter bits are great as well, when you've taken them from the whole. I'm loving this style of production as much. I've never had such access to quality, quantity, and variety. You're getting better with every drop. I'm happy to help out a little when I can. Keep the variety and continue to explore. 👍 😎 🤗
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Abraham (Originally AbRam/Father Ram) is similar with Hindu legend Rama.. He exelted story with wife and nephew are similar with Rama exelted story with wife and Brother. He wife is kidnapped by Firaun/Pharao which similar story Ram wife kidnapped story. He seperation story with lot is similar with Rama separation story with Lakshman. He wife Hagar house leave story Is similar with Rama wife Sita house leave story.. Hagor son Ismael became archer.. Similarly Sita sons Kush, lava became archer.
The arguments that state why the greeks cannot be the ones copying the bible can be easily refuted: 1) Throughout history, it is always the earlier texts that appear fragmented, not linear and with some parts missing or changed, not the other way around. Meaning that the orderly fashion, completeness and linearity of the greek myths point to them being the newer text, not the older. 2) The same could be said about the argument that the greek authors were known by name and questions on why they did not reference the old testament if they copied from it. In many old cultures naming authors was not common, and let's not forget that the old testament itself is claiming a divine origin, do you think that an author would have put his name on a text he himself believes comes from god? And examples of newer authors omitting their source or inspiration or not even knowing enough to name it can be found throughout history. It was not common practice in olden days to write the titles of books on the cover, let alone the names of authors. And sometimes when copying works those informations were forgotten and lost. When comparing two works that share similar stories, it is way more logical to assume that the newer copied the older or at least was based on oral tradition originated from the older work than saying that the older one cannot possibly be that old and was copied from the newer one.
I've held it as a personal opinion for a long time that the 150 year++ ages of biblical patriarchs served as placeholders for the age of a single household/farmstead as opposed to the lifetime of a single individual. Basically identical to how royal europeans can change or keep names to distinguish "houses" from eachother.
Great video Derek. I LOVE studying theological origins. I am especially interested in the Hyksos migration to Canaan because I'm interested in Canaanite/Israelite origins.
*Israelite origins* Referring to the hills of Canaan Dr William Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite villages". Artifacts found in the villages matches artifacts from Shiloh, Samaria and other early Israelite cites. *This has been verified by archeologists* i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust and Dever The Israelites wer just another Canaanite tribe living in the hills of Canaan Look up Israel Finkelstein, he has a great videos series he does with the Albright Institute of Archeology
@@fordprefect5304, yes, Israel Finkelstein is an interesting scholar. He claims that there was nothing special about the first Israelites, who weren't especially different from the other Canaanite tribes - except for their firm belief that they were special. But genetic make-up doesn't confirm the idea that the original Israelites migrated into Canaan from the East. Finkelstein also suggested that many foundations of Judaism were created during the Babylonian captivity, when the Israelites were homesick, and they needed a glue which kept them united.
@@sabineb.5616 Except there are many archeologists who support his facts. Referring to the hills of Canaan Starting with Dr Dever who was a starch conservative until he saw the evidence. Dr William Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite villages". The Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe living in hills of Canaan. Artifacts found in the villages matches artifacts from Shiloh, Samaria and other early Israelite cites. *This has been verified by archeologists* i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust and Dever Dr William Dever, an archaeologist normally associated with the more conservative end of Syro-Palestinian archaeology, has labeled the question of the historicity of Exodus “dead”. Israeli archaeologist Ze’ev Herzog provides his view on the historicity of the Exodus:[7] *The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened* Verifying Dr Dever is the Merneptah Stele Merneptah stele 1207BCE The Egyptian army rolls through Canaan and the only Israelites they encounter are some people in the highlands that they scatter. No Israelite city states or cities. No great Israelite army to stop them. Just a people the Egyptians called Israel.
I'm only 20 minutes in and already your production is on point, the northern Canaanites were migrating south due to the Mitanni, Hittites, Assyrians conquests of the Northern Land of Canaan. The Hyksos who are from Northern Canaan migrated into Egypt and again migrated North from Egypt into southern Canaan.
@robertolang9684 well you know who is portraying to be from a nation called Israel aka isis ra Elohim claiming they are gods people when they are Canaanites
@robertolang9684 why do your people claim to be Jewish when you are Canaanites and I love Orthodox Jews I just don’t understand why it’s hidden they should embrace who they are there nation has all three gods in the name isis ra Elohim
The one hypothesis that continues to explain many things, even though a lot of evidence is missing, is that Greek and Roman philosophers and other intelligentsia adapted the monotheism of the Zoroastrian and Jewish religions into the old Greek religion, creating Christianity. Everything in Christianity is more or less the old traditions and myths, but exaggerated and placed on the head of a monotheistic god.
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It may be relevant to note that there were Jewish troops stationed in Cyrene under the Ptolemies in the early Hellenistic Era. This may provide a possible mechanism for the origin myth of Cyrenaica that Philippe Wajdenbaum discusses to have come to the attention of the biblical authors.
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It may be relevant to note, all history of the east is a fabrication -immanuel velikovsky, anatoly fomenko. Secondly, old testament biblical events happened in the americas. Those "jewz" in their stolen promised land are ashkanazi and kazarian "jewz" neither of which are shemites.
The Anatolian (aka "the Greek") Oligarchy had not invented the "jews" yet. I would consider your source a very recent fiction. In fact most of the Greek "history" was dreamt up during the Renaissance Classicism, of merchant bankers of Anatolian origins, such as the Medici.
The first alleged use of "jews" or loan collectors was during Sarah-Theodora (the "jewish" queen) Empress of Bulgaria during the Second Bulgarian Empire and second wife of Tsar Ivan Alexander of Bulgaria (ruled 1331-1371). Despite being "jewish" herself, she decided that the "jews" had collected more than enough of the loan, and quickly moved in to confiscate their property. And here we see that "jew" is not an ethnic classification but a profession.
The "Great" Kings of Europe borrowed vast sums from the Anatolian Oligarchy (aka "the Greeks) and had to "welcome" some bizarrely described group of people (the "jews") for reasons which the official narrative is totally silent about. Well the reason is very simple - "Great" Greeks such as Charlemagne, Guilaumes the Conqueror, Napoleonas, Petros I the Greek from Russia, etc. all borrowed money from the Anatolian Greek Oligarchy, but did not want to pay the money back themselves, so the Greek Oligarchy would send their loan collectors to get the loan back from the populations.
Most of the first "jews" were recruited from Thrace (modern Bulgaria an Greece) and Greece/Anatolia (modern Turkey).
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Yeah, I wondered if Judaism actually started under some sort of auxiliary troop under Ptolemy, where a tradition began under this special ops and grew into a cult and then a full blown religion with a capital R...🤔👩🏫🤷♀️😀
A Honda Civic? No, Peter owned an Accord they all piled in. For as Acts states, "the disciples were all in one Accord".
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Such a small space, it must have been a miracle! 😇
Nice.
Next level joke 🤣
That joke makes me think of a "clown car" stunt, trying to cram as many as possible into one car! It's a miracle! ✝️🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 😆
The difficulty in this is not offending the believers in the three Abrahamic faiths by taking the exaggerated details as part of the legendary tradition. The moment that you suggest that Abraham didn’t actually live 175 years, they lose their bloody minds.
They have no trouble in believing part of the narrative of the history of Troy is exaggeration, but not their bibles. Those are 100% accurate, no matter how much evidence there is proving otherwise.
Here you start to see the incredible problems with claiming a god gave you a certain land and it becomes clear why religion is dangerous!
Thanks Derek
Thank you so much my friend!
Agreed. Religion is astrotheolgy or Creation Myth Philosophies cultural adapted per region. Check out the names of the dieties. Auset (Isis) title Queen of Heaven, Freya title Queen of Heaven, Hera title Queen of Heaven, Inanna title Queen of Heaven, Ishtar title Queen of Heaven, Maria Magdalena title Queen of Heaven, etc. Most of their original names translated means The Lady. There is a bit of a pattern, isn't it?
But then these personified human mind concepts were personified and worhsipped being turned into priestly mouthpieces to aquire power. Real sad. 'Chosen' people... :( The teachings are fine but the religious people exploited it to justify domination claiming being 'virtues' and 'kind'.
If the modern State of Israel weren't exactly has it has always been, I'd be so about it.
@@hueym2196add to it Fatima- lady n queen if heaven for muslims
The Torah is straight up genealogies and land contracts.
This was great to be apart of Derek, thanks.
In Greek mythology, two males of the same family, Daedalus and Icarus son of Daedalus, fashioned artificial wings and took to the air near the sea coast. In modern times, two male relatives, Wilbur and Orville Wright, fashioned artificial wings and took to the air near a sea coast. In mythology, one of the two flyers fell from the sky and died; one of the two Wright brothers, Orville, fell from the sky when his plane crashed in 1908, killing his passenger and contributing to Orville's death a few years later. The names "Daedalus" and "Wright" both mean "craftsman." Coincidence???
Are you saying they had technology back then like we do now?? Very interesting point you have.
Different era same people.. if you believe in reincarnation.. nothing new under the sun. The galaxy is a mythical mythisum clock time recycle.. we are in galaxy space-time cosmos dimension mechanism energy forces of effects the great reset of the beginning of time.. were there a beginning there always a end. I joking but the theory is true.. lol 😆 🤣
@@anthonycarroll6546 as the Bible says, there is nothing new under the sun
Oh WOW...ain't that a coinkadink...yuk yuk ...😀
Daedalus murdered his nephew Perdix. Did Wilbur do that? Daedalus also built a labyrinth. Did Wilbur do that? In any case, the British invented powered flight, not the Wrights.
The best content as usual. I’ve been reading pieces and parts of this since the 80s and am glad to see someone present it so professionally and intelligently 👏👏👏
Outstanding! I watched this twice and got way more out of it the second time. Pages and pages of notes. Looking forward to the next one.
Thank you!
The whole Yahweh in the tent actually comes from Mesopotamia... they use to have statues of their gods like Dumuzid The Shepherd... or Enki or Enlil or Marduk others... each city had a statue of their gods they dressed and treated like a real human... they use to steal them from each other in battle also... Abraham was from Ur... they had a pantheon of Anu gods
Jesus is a annuaki
@kingofdetroit358 I am starting to think yes he maybe was also truthfully... or there was something special to it Anu bloodline related... I guarantee there is way more to why the Roman's murked him off
Could this be the origin for the tradition of stealing your opponent’s team mascot before the game?
@eddynunezsanchez8222 dude... you are brilliant I never even thought of that juxtaposed... but maybe so subconsciously... it is all in the Akkadian inscriptions regarding steal the gods out of the top of the ziggurats... lots of people don't realize the phases of Mesopotamia and how it all unfolded from Sumer... the Jews talk shit about Babylon... but we now know Babylon treated them very well and let them practice their Jewish law religion
Please stop it with the whole Mesopotamia lie
I've been following MythVision for two years and find this particular doc best summary of our impulse toward mythologism, if I may.
In literary scholarship, archetypal criticism yields psychological reasons for character types that imply plots, recognized behavior patterns we relate to.
Then w "masterplot" thinking, we find there are only so many stories possible. Just change the names and dates.
Each type of literary criticism shows universal themes in stories. Feminist, Marxist, Archetypal, Formal, Post-Modern, etc. can occupy a brilliant mind thru a satisfying career, but none can tell the whole story of story-ism, if I may.
It is one thing to show influence and precedence, even plagiarism, but another to address and satisfy our needs. That is for creative writers, to may modern myths, such as Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Chronicles of Narnia.
There I go starting an article instead of just praising the goal of MythVision simply to inform us of exactly what we are reading. Thank you.
I wd like to hear more about our psychological "need" for the same things throughout history.
thus the apt allusion to Claude Lévi-Strauss' perspective.
(stupid jeans co. makin it hard to google the man.)
Everyone should know more about him & his work.
Top 20, maybe 10 geniuses of all time, imo.
He takes the general and flowery sentiment you expressed (no offense. I employ a similar standard) and makes it toight! (Tite)
yep, the ideas and myths best addressing psychological needs propagated and survived and it is all happening to these days - this is why we have diversities withing major religions to meet the needs of subgroups.
Nitwit... If I may
@@theonetruetimRead Not In His Image if you want a taste of genius. If you’re actually serious about those Top 10/20 then you’ll likely appreciate it.
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The possibility that seems to be overlooked in this theory is that both myths are drawing on a common pre-existing indo European source which is why you see parallels across many religions.
who is overlooking that?
None of that started in Europe. It was bought to Europe.
I’m excited to watch, but I know it will somehow enrage me for the 35 years of wasted breath and religious trauma I’ve lived. I’m so embarrassed that I am one of the people who wanted to “spread the word” saying “I’ll pray for you, God is good” and believed almost everything I did would send me straight to hell.
Religious indoctrination and teaching to children should be illegal.
So you've accepted the idea that your life has no more value than a grain of dirt, and whether you live or die does not matter. Furthermore, nothing matters since everything is just the result of cosmic randomness.
Believe in God but not in the racist religion that's all i can tell you
Damn dude, I love your new style and how you're are branching out. It's just mind boggling thinking about how far you've come. This is seriously impressive work and I can't help but feel proud and happy for you.
Yeah, I've been watching here since the Dr. Luther and the WaterBoyZ days. There sure have been some changes.
Well, one video he did said Able brown nosed God. I see some of his stupid humor hasn't changed.
wow, really? thanks, it's helpful in knowing possible context, perspective, agenda@@timmyholland8510
I once wrote a paper (unpublished) linking the mythical Golden Fleece of Colchis with the Golden Apples of the Hesperides near the Straits of Gibraltar. Both hanging from a tree in a sacred garden, attended to by a priestess & protected by a huge dragon, etc., etc. The kicker: the Greek word for Golden Fleece and Golden Apples is the same, chrysomallon (where chryso signifies golden and mallon can mean either an apple or a sheep). Your discussion of the additional connections with Abraham are fascinating, following the discussions of Philippe Wajdenbaum & Neal Godfrey.
I love your work so much Russell ❤️
It’s a good thing that it is unpublished because anyone with a basic grasp of Greek would laugh his ass off your etymological connections.
Χρυσόμαλλον means golden haired, Χρυσό Μήλο means golden apple. Absolutely no relation apart from both being golden. The word for sheep is Αμνός.
Ps the word for fleece is Δέρας, by just saying χρυσόμαλλον it merely means golden haired. You have to specify it by saying Χρυσόμαλλον Δέρας, meaning golden haired fleece. There you go…
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He’s referring to Ancient or Classical Greek, not Modern Greek. In Ancient Greek, he is correct.
μῆλον • (mêlon) n (genitive μήλου); second declension
1. apple
2. any fruit tree
3. sheep
4. goat
5. beast
@@christinakuba8251 Νο Μηλον never meant sheep in Ancient or Medieval or Modern Greek. In ancient AND modern Greek the sheep is called Πρόβατο or Αμνός (the young sheep).
Ὁ δ’ ἠλίθιος ὥσπερ πρόβατον βῆ βῆ λέγων βαδίζει. Υοu are confusing it with Μήλος (different word) which came from the pro-Hellenic Βήλος meaning sheep.
Don’t be so literalist. The connection may be there… don’t deny. Lol.
As an atheist of Jewish heritage I've never doubted the pagan origins of Judaism. Almost all figures and motifs within the Bible can be shown to have mythical origins. The Abraham narrative to me always seemed to me to have originated in the interraction of the Hurrians with the Canaanites except that instead of the incoming Hurrians adopting Canaanite practises and ideas the Bible inverts what happened historically with the incoming Abraham bringing the worship of El to Canaan from Harran (the Hurrian homeland).
The Rabbi who speaks at my church (Unitarian Universalist) says that "Abraham" likely means something like spirit of the mountain top, and "Sarai" refers to a grove of trees. VERY Pagan.
Judaism isn't enduring, it's stories and ethics doesn't ring true because of the similarities with local pagan lore but the minor differences. The nuance.
Absolutely stellar presentation. Thank you!
Two weeks “awake”. A huge thank you to you, Tim Mills and Justin Best for that!
It is so wonderful to hear how all these cultures and their myths are connected.
Thanks! I love it as well.
Myths for those who dont understand ancient reality and the spiritual
What was the impetus for inventing gods? 🕉✡☸☯✝☪
@@alienviewpoint4296IMO to try to explain the natural world around them & the uncontrollable forces they did not have better tools to explain at the time. Throw in some ancestor worship & various human logical fallacies & pattern seeking and gods & spirits of all sorts emerged, or so it seems.
And people making content about stories that aren't true, nor took place, it's ironic that these channels seem to have it out for Christianity(truly only for views, clicks and $), when all their content is based upon the same EXACT myths they purport to be nonsense, turn around and there's a video about Abraham, but wait, Abraham didn't exist, Derek doesn't believe in the Bible, or does he, just parts of it?! See the issue, I don't support ANY channels with an agenda other than helping others see truth.
Though I buy the fact that Greek culture certainly did influence the Jewish culture at some point during the authorship of the Bible, we must not ignore that the Greeks learned to read and write from the Phoenicians, who literally originated next door to the Israelite
/ Canaanite kingdoms. This to say, since these cultures wrote mainly on parchment /papyrus, who is to say that the Greeks did not inertia more that the alphabet? And may have imported myths, legends and storytelling from any Phoenician literature existing at the time? Which we may never know because Alexander burned Tyre and Sidon, and the Romans burned down Carthage and it’s related cities.
At 36:45, you mention the alleged use of slave labor in Egypt for construction. Historians have shown that not slaves, but free Egyptian farmers built the stone projects of the pharaohs. It was a patriotic duty, they worked during winter, the farming off-season, and were paid for their work.
You know, somehow I'm not surprised at the Greek influence.
I've known for years that something wasn't right with history.
Thank you. This channel reveals more pieces of the puzzle. 📚🔎
Your name is really awesome
@@Bluesoteric Thanks. Alien in the sense that most people have short memories and mostly analyse data in a specific context. But things in one sphere of knowledge may be relevant to whatever sphere one is currently looking at.
Like, the foundations for the current political and social events were laid down more than 20 years ago. But who knows that?
@@alienviewpoint4296 What scares me even more is that this is probably going on for at least 20 centuries.
@@Bluesoteric We know that history is written by the victors and I have to wonder if its been guided for millenium too.
I could almost think that even science is hushing up stuff, even above and beyond their vested self-interest.
I don't doubt that the majority of Biblical scholars know how we got the writings.
This kind of sucks, guessing guy
I saw a show once where the "Hibiru's" were a warrior class living in the desert. They were thought to be the Hebrews. This is a great video.
Can you send me that Video please?
@mischa1354 I will try to find it. It was a documentary style show and the researcher speaking on the subject was ex-military.
Thank you
@@helenvanpatterson-patton thank you Akhi
@RobKoch1962 yes! They were the Habiru in the Amarna letters. I am glad someone else remembered. I can not find it. The show was about ancient military battles and tactics, maybe.
About the Maccabees. I have a suspicion. After the sea people were defeated by Ramses III they settled in the levante and were called the "Philistines". They probably came from mycenean greece as found pottery from the Philistines tell us. After some centuries those pottery became the same as that from the neighbors in the levante. They might have adopted much of the culture. Now, the bedouine culture is so that sometimes tribes merge for some reason, but before there will be a long powwow of the eldest to find common ground. They will inevitably find a common grand grand grand aunt or father so they can say "we are one tribe anyway". To me the maccabee tells me that some of the philistines got integrated as jewish tribe. Maybe the tribe "Dan". Also the whole Samson story is a bit off in the bible. It reminds a bit of Hercules. Could be from the myceneans to bring a part of their culture into the pot.
Nice sum up about the Philsitines and the Maccabee revolt. However I reason that the Hebrew Faith is roughly from 300 bce yet it gets poured into its form we are aquinted with today in the 1th century ce. Most peoples in Roman Southern Syria or Palestine weren't the Jews we know today. There is a possibility that the original Hebrew Faith died out and its legacy modified even more and the religion was reignited by rebels that fought against the Romans getting traction by the common people. And then the Romans to combat one new occult teaching created another brandnew occult teaching the Gospel using Hinduism (Krishna tied to tree pierced in his side by an arrow, after three days rises again etc), Mithras (polulair with the Roman soldiers) and Eleusis Mysteries.
The original word jew was just to denote an inhabitant of the region Judah I asume. In later time it was used for a new religion.
You mean the Philistines influenced the cultures of the surrounding peoples.
@@hueym2196 what original word 'Jew'? 🤣You guys are not even listening to the lessons in these teachings and still hung up with Catholic Dogma and Rabbinical Judaism.
@@jamesstevenson7725 It usually goes both ways. Some philistines seems to have joined the jews, other did not. Those were deported by the Assyrians after they conquered Israel and they did not come back as the jews did after the babylonian time. It were the jewish elites only anyway. And they got influenced by the babylonians of course. What we know about the Philistines from archeological findings, their pottery and tools changed over few generations until they were the same as those from the local jews and phoenicians.
Abraham a story of one family. Other parts of the world has it's own story.
the lineage of abraham back to adam reminds me of the egyptian kings list
Noah's descendants are on the Sumerian King's list. His great grandson Tarshish who founded Tarsis and is remembered as one of the Hercules is the first king after the flood on the Sumerian King's list recorded as Jushur. He is also the writer of the book of Jasher where the ideas of Genesis originate. His son recorded as Kullasina-bel was the horned Hercules known as Tectauus the Bull who the constellation Taurus is named after and is remembered in India as Shiva.
Enoch lived for 365 years. Each significant event given corresponds to either planting or harvest times during the year.
That’s because they serve the same purpose. They aren’t entirely accurate as history because they don’t have to be.
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Shree Abraham was an incarnation of The Almighty, He was one of the Ten Adi Gurus, the guru principal of God, that gave us the 'Good direction, the Spirit that which we are, have ten valances to sustain its self, written in the Bible as the Ten Commandments, after Self Realisation/second birth, our attention becomes enlightened by the Spirit, it becomes sustained by the Spirit, then we become the witness, we become detached and so thus Matter can dominate us no more, our Spirit then becomes the Guru and all these bad habits drop of!
The seed of Abraham is of Spirit and not of the flesh!
I'm complicated. I kinda grew up Christian and converted to Catholicism as a teen with my mom. Now my son is going to the same Catholic school where we converted. My mom is 100% a believer. I'm not sure, I have a bs in Anthropology and learned to respect all religions and cultural practices. The more i delved into any one culture, i saw similarities between neighboring civilizations. This theory of biblical characters being based on greek myths is extremely fascinating to me. I remember how much of my learning during convention was "this is allegory" "this is a metaphor" "this is using everyday life to help explain....""this is using the local.... to help explain.... to the locals if that region". Kinda makes sense to me, and kinda explains why Christianity took off during the Roman Empire. Most of the roman citizens were aware of roman(greek inspired oftentimes) myths and another greek inspired mythology wouldn't be that unfamiliar and would actually help to spread ideas.
Why you go from the true religion to one worship the pope over Jesus
@RealAaron317 that's not what catholicism is. The focus is on God, and Jesus.
@amandaburnham8626 that's a false religion also
Great work. Since my childhood I could never accept that the God of Love asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son just to test him in faith. Or that the same God of love killed by the hand of his angel the infants of the Egyptians. The first act reminded me more of Zeus who always had issues testing mortals with "impossible missions". The second reminds me Herod killing all infants when Christ was born. Since many testimonies and prophecies of the oracles of Delphi known as Sibyls, many details about Christ's life and deeds/miracles had been foretold thousands of years BC even about his second coming found translated in Latin in Ciceron's writings who died BC. These prophecies since they are so old, they might had travelled the world up to India governed by Alexander's generals for centuries and therefore we hear from India about the God Krishna (Kristos) or other similar stories and that is why we see similar personalities like Jesus both in far East and West. What is astonishing and deserves a lot of attention are the details Apollo gives about Jesus claiming that "Jesus is my God" after foretelling his birth by holy Mary, some of his miracles and his crucifixion, and in another prophecy about the all mighty God his says "... small part of him, angels of him we are". These prophecies reveal a different history about Greece which was concealed by specific emperors of Byzantium and the Romans who forbitten the books of Sibyls. This history really worth looking into.
sometimes children pay for the sins of the parents....God gave the Egyptians plenty of time to repent but they refused....
When u say the word "God" u mean the person that a group of ppl that have opposing interests to the Egyptians are using in a straw man symbolic manner, right???
But how would Apollo claim that Jesus is his God if the letter "J" didn't even exist at that time???
Perhaps Apollo then pulled out his IPhone and shared a few pics of Jesus, or an email that Jesus sent him...
U see what we are actually talking about is a veryyyy ancient POLITICAL SITUATION THAT WAS BETWEEN TWO ESOTERIC MYSTERY SCHOOL BASED CULTS, each of which wanted to be in charge of this world...
And on one side of this esoteric political battle for supremacy was the MOON CULT...and their symbolic moon god was called "SIN"...and they would worship their moon cult God symbol on their sacred mountain range which was called "AI" at that time...thus "mount SIN-AI" story was born...with the moon cult rules being given to them by their respective moon cult deity...
While, simultaneously, the opposition had the SUN CULT running their political agenda...
Thus their symbolic gods were all representing attributes of the SUN... Apollo the SUN God, Amen RA the SUN God, Jesus the SUN God, etc...
And the Sun Gods political cult would obviously hold their gatherings on SUN day...while the Moon cult meetings would be held at SIN-agogues after sun down, and when the moon came out...
And as a sign of disrespect the SUN cult would call the Moon cult members "sinners"...WHY?
Bc they were not following their SUN God's list of rules, or joining their Sun cult... thus, the mystery school esoteric political battle was on...
@@abracadabrascottyHe probably meant El Shaddai
Ancient civilizations, including Greek, Egyptian, Epic of Gilgamesh, India....had legends of "star people" or demi-gods who cohabited with human women and produced hybrids. These demi-gods were Fallen Angels, who were stripped of their original physical bodies by God, the Father. But they could still manipulate their SPIRITS in and out of hybrid bodies. These hybrids included Shiva, Thoth......The children of the Fallen Angels were Nephiliim GIANTS. Ancient mythology is full of stories of these hybrids. These entities are SINISTER and have always known of God's plan to send His Son , Jesus Christ, to die for our sins on the cross. They MOCK the One True God, of the Bible; and that is why there are so many similarities to the Biblical narrative.
Awesome graphics, farout hypothesis & Mindblowing alternate narrative ! Your dissection of hellenised Judaic theopolitical literarism absolutely captivates, and profoundly shapeshifts dogmied beliefs ! TQ for Sharing & Cheers ✌👣🌏⚙🎆
I am loving this series! Thank you Derek!
Derek and Neal together in the same video. You can't ask for a better way to dissolve the illusions of cultural conditioning. 💛
Boom 💥 💥
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Right?! (+1)
Who are they, these academic, intellectual, philosophical, psychological and scientific great minds the brilliant theorists the great mathematician geniuses? Those already passed on to a nether world and the ones still living? The Einsteins and Darwins and Galileos' and Copernicus's? Who are they, the greats of the greatest brilliant learned scholars and intellectuals? We all know who they are and were: THEY ARE ALL MORTAL! What makes them different from the normal us if they too are but slaves to a mortal existence, what power of different authority do they hold if they cannot, like us, a lower form, break the barrier of death that holds us captive, and cannot at will of choice return from beyond the grave and unseen realm of pass the threshold of death? Even those who claim the insanity of time travel, where, one asks excel their power of boundless access to manipulate time if they cannot step into the infinity of unseen DIMENSIONS at will and return from the beyond of the edge of time into the sphere of the very portals of death, what hold their fantasies of time travel if it is but mere an enlightened wish to travel on the waves of time but bound to that which is nothing but a fantasy image of their own world, and not a one beyond the threshold of death? Today they may slip into a sense outside the day order of hours and minutes yet in their tomorrow eternal captives of the gates of death and can never return?
UNLESS OF COURSE WE HOLD INDEED THE POWER TO BREAK THE BOUNDARY OF DEATH DWELL BEYOND AND SEE THAT WHICH IS UNSEEN, AND TRAVEL WITHOUT TIME AND RETURN AT WILL, THEN THEY ARE THE TRUE MASTERS OF KNOWLEDGE AND FAR DIFFERENT THAN MERE MORTAL SLAVES OF THIS HERE LIFE, WHICH RUNS OUT FASTER THAN THE SHADOW OF A CHAMPION SPRINTER AND NO LONGER THAN THE LIFE OF A DAY LABOURER.
Unless we become masters of exiting the mortal boundaries of death and return at will we all are just the same humankind that are limited to a mortal existence that allows us not to know beyond our mortal state, a life sack of bones mere food for worms even if the most brilliant Intelligent minds, but a host to worms and maggots.
All on point to an insane quest to catch the wind !
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For me this is one of the most fascinating of all your shows, and that's really saying something. It is packed with mind boggling food for thought. Watching it was like reading a book i can't put down! Thank you!
Let’s not forget that Abraham literally means Father Ram. An unmistakable reference to Aries. These myths are created within the context of “heavenly inspiration” based on Astrology. Why Aries? To acknowledge the Age of Aries as part of progression of the great year, as Moses and the golden calf (Taurus), and Christ (Pisces) the two fish.
Derek you are getting so good at this bro, wow, you are a benefit to the internet
I appreciate it
I absolutely loved this episode. I need more. Lots more! Great Job Derek and company.
Wonderfully dense, elegant, and easily appreciated as not only reasonable, but compelling to any one paying attention. (Step right up: virgins & veterans! This is for everyone.)
Love the mention of Claude Lévi-Strauss (one of my fave thinkers) Playboy (Abe's gal was foine for 30, no less 80. lol) and Disco (the world is now ready for Disco-Grunge? nah.... [?])
& I dig the way you (Dereck) are able to straddle the line between accessible top-tier conventions & academic contentions. 100% fair. 100% provocative.
Rare, & True; I see you.
To Be Continued... (see u then)
"Stay Curious" !!!
exactly!
thank u
I so appreciare Derek's style. It helps me to listen without emotional triggers because of use of devices like "anyway wink wink" and " dust buster". It reminds me of Anne Rice's wonderful description of the Vampire Lestat. His dialect likened to a combination of a 17th century aristocrat mixed with a flat bottomed boatman on the Mississipi outside early ❤ New Orleans.
Thank you so much, Derek.
You're very welcome!
This should be interesting, and useful for keeping me entertained while eating dinner...
Yay!
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I frequently wonder if Derek ever reflects on how bazaar it is that he went from "just asking questions" to producing some of the best content on RUclips.
Thanks my friend! This is an amazing compliment 😍
I second that sentiment. These presentations are most excellent!
just for your information, the word you want is "bizarre". A bazaar is an outdoor marketplace.
what bazaar was it, one in Timbuktu ,I suppose...
All praise and glory to Father and Jesus 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Prey!
Why? Convince me.
Abraham = Abram = Aries, the star sign that was prevalent when a group of Nomads travelled from Ur to Canaan
My own linguistic background is American Middlewestern, geographically not so far away where I am guessing where you grew up. Nevertheless it was a major barrier to my understanding that the word I pronounce as "tayles" you pronounce as "tels." I have read a lot of your material online and I admire your efforts to direct non-specialists like me to the people who are taking a leading role in contemporary biblical debates. So thanks!
Iirc, Derek hails from North Carolina.
There were at least three oft repeated words in this video, including *tales,* where the accent made itself known.
What were those other "oft-repeated words"?@@AnnoyingNewsletters
Just now, in this time we live is mankind’s consciousness awakening once again, it’s in a perpetual cycle of light and darkensss! We must wake up to what we KNOW to be TRUE and let our hearts guide us purely🙏🌎
👏👏👏👏👏 someone finally got a map of which Ur, Ur-Kasdim. Which indicates that Abraham was in fact in the Land of Canaan and a Canaanite himself.
You people come from the caucus mountains Are you a true American So that would mean Abraham did not necessarily have to be the people But But could be Foreign to that land The book of Jubilee says so
@@spellbreaker6609 I am indigenous to Judea and Israel. DNA proven by National Genographic project.
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Im from Gondor
@@jeffwinkler1137 ok Gandalf 😂🤣😂
To be honest I thought this was pretty weak. The similarities seem very general. Things like Greeks and Israelites who had leaders who prescribed laws. They both conquered new lands. Didn’t all civilisations do this?
My sentiment. Great presentation, just didn’t establish much.
Honda Civic! Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a motorbike. A Triumph to be precise.
With sweet handle bar tassels.
Christ On A Pogo Stick, I heard…
I bet it was a Harley Davison.
Recent research has put a lot of skepticism on the claim that the grand civil projects of Egypt, like the pyramids, were done by slaves. The excavation of the encampments where the builders lived during the construction shows tools and other evidence of paid laborers. We can argue that living conditions of the time were harsh, but to claim that they were slaves would require that chains and other instruments of coercion be common.
The recent discovery of the actual Egyptian records of Merer for the building of the pyramids shows no slaves.
Agreed the slavery story is clearly related to these foundation myths
very interesting :
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open mind & consider ❤
The new format is dope 🔥🔥👌🏿
I don't need to be shocked. Current US politics does that for me.
Fantastic presentation as always!
Abraham and Sarah are same as Brahma and Sarasvati of hinduism. Old testament in ancient herbew is actually a version of sanskrit and are Rigveda verbatim.
When I was a seminarian in the mid 80s (1984-1986), I wrote a paper on the Akedah, and how it was completely foreign to modern moral sensibilities. How-severed from the Christian interpretation of it being some sort of foretelling of Christocentric substitutionary atonement-it was a stark, existentialist, and mysterious. God will provide a way-but by what cruelty, and at what cost? It was the story of a terrible god. I had left any form of literalistic historical interpretation years before this when I was in college. And yet, as I wrote this paper and thought about the text I was studying, I knew I was missing something in this story. It was SO FOREIGN. But, whatever it was, it was a picture of a very, very alien understanding of the mysteries of the holy. My Old Testament seminary professor was horrified at the conclusions in my paper. It was, as far as I’m concerned, the best paper I ever wrote. I had no idea of the turmoil in Old Testament Studies at the time. I wish I had known about these scholars back then.
I have to watch this again. I wish I could give it two likes. Thanks. thumbs up. Very good.
I really appreciate you ❤️
@@MythVisionPodcast The feeling is mutual. I have been watching your channel for a long time and you have introduced me to some great reading material. Your content is only getting better and better. Quality!
Brilliant, investigative research & presentation.
The whole Abraham story is a metaphor for rejection of Canaanite sacrifice of first born sons.
This turns up in Exodus.
People miss an important point when it comes to Abraham sacrificing Isaac.
The story makes a point of telling us that it was a Donkey / Mule that took Abraham to the mountain. ... and that it was supposedly El who asked for the sacrifice but Jehovahs angel who intervened.
Two different gods.
This is not a story, it's a hit piece against El.
This is Mercury / Set taking over the Israelite religion.
Mercury the amalgamater.
OR it si a load of made up astrological bollocks that people are still arguing if they are real stories of not thousands of years after that should have been obviously not the case,
It wasn't Abraham who set off. It was his father who set off, and he accompanied him.
Very nice graphics and photographic content.
If you can't trust the bible narrative for Abraham, you can't trust it for Yeshua (Jesus). Yeshua took Moses as historical fact and mentioned Abraham as a literal man.
I agree 👍
Who is Yeshua and why is he in any way real? OR are you saying a fictional character treated another fictional character real in their fictional arc therefore one or both of them must be real? Yes Harry Potter speaks of Voldomort as historical so they both must be real.
@@TheInterestedObserverWe are all only fictional characters in the mind of God. 😂
Great point
@@kingdomcome46 More profound than you may realise.
Outrageous and Exquisite. Great documentary that kept me from my sleep. Myth as the creationism of peoples, new lands and novel identities. It all comes to naught in the end. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
Probably written-- or at least much of it-- with the alleged translation of the Septuagint. The authors had access to the shelves of the Library, which included not only Egyptian records but everything both they and the Greeks had collected from prior Empires throughout the region. This explains how you get source-texts from across big stretches of space and time. It's also likely that Persian instructions to the "Returners" (read: Persian colonial administrators transplanted to rule Yehud under the pretext of being former Elites that had been rulers there already before), who effectively found Judaism, are incorporated into the text as well. Parts of Deuteronomy are pretty clearly portions of these instructions/contract with these transportees.
yup,, and all that combined with the use of a version of a canaanite/phenician (west-semitic) alphabet that we know today as hebrew, where of arameic, syriac
and arabic are descended.
@@jasonjenkins7825 I must understand that as if the canaanites/ israelites spoke a dialect and for their writings they borowed a language and an alphabet from their northern neighbours ?
@@willempasterkamp862Joseph used the Egyptian alphabet for the rest to use once they migrated into Egypt
If I remember correctly, the Egyptian alphabet they used didn’t change over u til Samuel wrote the book of Joshua in paleo-Hebrew
Before they went into Egypt they didn’t have a written language
Egyptian hieroglyph’s produced the semetic languages and the Latin languages with migration of the peoples who had adopted their culture
Similar to how German split into 2, and one become high and low German, and the other became English
The 10 commandments were originally written in Egyptian hieroglyphs, so was genesis-Deuteronomy
But the Egyptian language method is different than the Israelite language method
Similar to how they used the Aramaic alphabet into their language, and German alphabet with Yiddish
It’s not Aramaic or German, they just used their alphabet
I know Greek was the first written language with vowels, but I can’t remember where greek came from, they claim it’s older than Latin and didn’t come from there, but not a sub family of egyptian
The Septuagint is the most accurate Old Testament, around 100 a.d. they invented a new Hebrew Old Testament to translate out the connection to Jesus Christ
One of the main issues is they changed the dates to not match up, with the Hebrew text the earth is currently 6000 years old, so Jesus can’t be the messiah, with the Septuagint the earth is currently 7600 years old, matching up date wise with Jesus being Christ
There are other stuff they changed, but Christian’s pretty much fixed 90% of their errors by 1200 a.d.
One of the main issues is Revelation Jesus declares the same name as God told Moses His name was in exodus
The original language purity is a myth, Moses wrote the first 5 books in Egyptian
@@pitbullw35581 Greek is part of the Indo-European language family, but the script is derived from Phoenician.
The main problem in deconstructing Genesis is that in doing so, we run into problems with modern-day politics in the Levant, if you get my meaning.
Hellenization of the Judahites via Alexander and his successors is one of those things that is avoided by nearly all Christian preachers and is even a topic rarely found in the writings of so-called Christian scholars. If you take a typical (American) evangelical and tell them that *the books in what they call the OT are the result of two socio-political movements:* _1) the returnee elites from Babylon attempting to assert their control in the 6th century BCE, and 2) the religious leaders in the subsequent Judahite society attempting to deal with the Hellenization resulting from Alexander's empire_ , said evangelicals will just look at you with either a blank face or a scowling face.
hebrew and hebrews had long died out The culture you might be speaking of existed in Arabia, Hejaz, Asir, Yemen. There is no continual link. Catholic Dogma and Rabbinnical Judaism have fooled everyone into believing and building on the nation creation done by the Maccabbees and 2nd century projected historical fantasies.
Thanks!
Thank you
Awesome as all Derek's productions. One thing that struggles me in these explanations. I always thought about Isaac's story as a message: Jahweh doesn't demand sacrificing children as the Canaanite's deities did (so Jahweh is the real god). This would point to human sacrifice as the origin of Isaac's story but the practice of child sacrifice is much older (before 500 or 600 BC) than hellenism - 300 BC.
YHWH did indeed demand sacrifice.
That's been redacted, for the most part.
But as to whether the same entity commanded the sacrifice as stopped it has always been up for debate.
Wondering if this isn't when YHWH got "divorced".
@@jennifersilves4195 The only way human could have try to affect deity's decision was to give this deity the most precious thing - child. Child sacrifice was present in different cultures - Incas did it too and not that long ago compared to Canaanites. Something unthinkable now was thinkable then. Canaanites (or ancient Israelites) were probably one of the first realizing it shouldn't been done, wrote this down as God's words and this made their God so popular. After giving it more thoughts - the hellenistic influences in Levant most likely predate Alex the Great. Greece could easily affect Pentateuch stories even before 300BC 🙂
@@jennifersilves4195 ps The child sacrifice in Canaan is a sensitive topic - Jews don't want anything to do with it but also for Christians would be hard to accept that God the Father demanded this. Blaming it on Ball is a safe solution easy to accept but who knows what was going on the Temple Mound - sacrifices? most likely, child sacrifice - we don't have any evidence, better don't talk about it.
yes my favorite part of this production was correlation to Jason and the Argonauts and Plato, gives me more reason to find out more about them as they could tie to the bible and the arbrahamic story
Derek I Love all your work. But Archaeology disproves the idea of the Hebrews as a group being enslaved in Egypt and being used for the great building projects. The housing for the project workers have been found. Showing they were too well housed and fed to have been a slave population. I hope you have a show with the archaeologists who can confirm this.
I agree, in this video I was speaking of literary claims about them being slaves in Egypt, not actual facts on the ground.
Very true, but you don't even need the archeological evidence - the events within Exodus itself contradict that notion. Slaves wouldn't have had all of that gold jewelry that they melted down to make the idol.
@davidjohnson5723 A half truth! They didn't start off as slaves. In the time of Joseph they had a blessed existence but that Pharoe died and the new one didn't know Joseph and so they became enslaved.
OR it shows that the Egyptians took very good care of their slaves. Or any number of other things. Archeology is a pseudoscience.
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Fascinating, been binge watching this series! ❤
Minor comment Wajdenbaum is an alternative (bad) spelling of the German Weidenbaum (Willow tree).
Instead of Waj… read it like Vie… (as in to vie for attention).
Great stuff as always, guys. Makes me wonder about Callisto. The similarities to Christ and this sacrificial ram you are discussing are quite striking.
Callisto was an avatar of the goddess Artemis. Artemis was originally a she bear goddess, and Callisto was turned into a bear. There is a bear taboo, as Callisto means most beautiful, just as in Russian a bear is medved, honey eater. In fact bear means the brown one, so that is also taboo deformation.
THIS VIDEO IS AMAZING MY 3RD TIME WATCHING IT
Father Brahma and his half sister wife Saraisvati. Before that, Ausar and sister wife Aset, represented by Sirius and Orion. Thank Onkelos for the Greek rewrites.
To you reading this Jesus can help with whatever problems, hardships, and issues you have. All you need to do is turn from your sins, repent which is changing your life to follow the way of God and not your way, your way will lead you into a pit of despair I know it, my way lead me in a pit straight to hell, but Jesus rescued me and he can rescue you. Just believe in the gospel which is.
Jesus Christ, son of God, died for our sins, was buried, and rose again on the third day After he went to his tweleve disciples and many others before ascending into heaven eternally triumphant over all his enemies and making it so that there is now no condemnation for sin to all those who believe, but only everlasting joy. What ever problem your going through he can rescue you and fix you
Hello, thank you very much for this video. It was very interesting. However I feel there is something missing here: linguistics. Is there a correlation with later hebrew language in the text that most closely resemble greek mythology, versus older test and more archaic language? And is there an influence of the greek language over the hebrew, like there is an influence of aramaic over the greek in some places in the New testament?
Ne kohen e abrahamit femijet i banin kurban vetem per intresiin e tyre Zoti ja ndaloj ket zokon gjakakatare njerzimit.
Ne kete kohe edhe kafshet eshte gabim me i ba kurban, por kush kupton.
@@landiperolli4445 Sorry but what??
I could best be described as an agnostic in the modern terms,. I am not a faith based person. However, I did major in history in college so I know a little something about that. TBH, I have seen more than enough convincing evidence that Moses was likely a priest in Egypt. The Israelites influenced Greek culture just as it said in Maccabees. The Greeks absorbed the Tribe of Dan around 1500bc who in Greece became known as the Danoi, they split off in boats during the events of the Exodus. While the Israelites lived in Egypt they were known as the Habarou (not much of a stretch from HEBREW and their depictions in art look very Semitic). The Exodus likely happened around the time of Ahnkenaten, the first Monotheistic Pharaoh. After his death, his family and followers had to flee Egypt because the old Egyptian priest class took back power, His daughter Scotia likely wound up in Ireland and its where the Scots took their name. Archeological evidence of a small Egyptian presence in Ireland has been found. Noah was based on a real person otherwise known as Umapishtan in Mesopotamia, the flood "myth" is in creation tales all over the world and we now understand there was massive worldwide flooding during the Younger-Drays period. All I'm saying is if these people might have existed, Abraham may have been based on a real person, we should give more credence to the ancient myths as holding grains of true history We find more and more evidence all the time that pushes back the dawn of civilization into the last Ice Age.
Other parallels - the rash oath motif -the story of Iphigeneia.Agamemnon's daughter sacrificed to placate the gods and to obtain favorable winds on the way to Troy, Idomeneus king of Crete sacrificing his son to Neptune to obtain safe passage back to Crete echoed in the story of Jephthah promising to sacrifice his daughter Iphis. Israel Finkelstein sees a direct link between the story of Iphigeneia and that of Jephthah's daughter Iphis.
I was thinking of Iphegenia too. Wasnt a doe sacrificed in her place?
She was transported to Tauris in the Crimea where she became a priestess of Diana. Marooned sailors were sacrificed here and when her brother Orestes was marooned she spared his life. I'm familiar with the operas ofGluck
the great Austrian composer who wrote 3 of his musical masterpieces on the 3 parts of this legend@@Wulf425
Brahman - Abraham
Flavius Josephus …(in the) Antiquities of the Jews … quotes Aristotle (384 b.c.e.-322 b.c.e.) as saying that Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers and are known as the Calani. Clearchus of Soli was a student in Aristotle’s school. In his book, De Somno, he elaborates on the story of how Aristotle discovered this information, but the basic concept remained the same.
Megasthenes was an ambassador of Seleucus I of Syria to India, before the latter’s death in 288 b.c.e. Megasthenes wrote that the Jews were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani. Except for the spelling he agreed with Aristotle and Clearchus. Higgins also claims that Ur of the Chaldees, the home of Abraham mentioned in the Bible, was actually Ur of the Chaldeans. “Chaldean,” he continues, is actually “Kaul-Deva” or the Holy Kauls, a Brahmanical caste of India. He writes that the tribe of the Brahmin was expelled from or left India and settled in Goshen in Egypt. -
Part I by Anonymousfor Prajapati
Your welcome
And they would all be wrong.
Yes but do modern Jews belong to the same tribe of the original Jews..... likely not
I'm pretty attached to the idea that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are parallel stories of the various subcultures of the southern Levant as it was in the 9th century BCE as seen from the post-exilic and broadly pro-Judahite/anti-Canaanite perspective
I respect that and think there is something to reveal there.
It's probably much older than that (see my comments on this post) but what you should be asking is "why everyone is following this same narrative?" - Surely this should be the main takeaway from a video like this? We can discuss all day who influenced who BUT the question is why? If it's just a foundational narrative like the scholars are saying then why wouldn't you just write your own better version ( one reason I would argue the Greek version is later because it is more detailed than the Jewish one but there are other more fundamental reasons)
In other words they are completely separate characters from different oral traditions in Canaan that were combined to create the patriarch narrative founding myth
@@charlesandrews2360 if that is correct then it swings the pendulum of probability back towards the Greeks as being the imitators of the canaanite myths. What are the 3 canaanite myths you refer to?
Abraham and Jacob are thought by some to be separate oral traditions that were brought together when it was written down between the 6th and 3rd Century BCE. The story of Joseph in Egypt maybe another separate memory. I don't know, it's just what I've gleaned from watching RUclips videos basically. I enjoy Israel Finkelstein lectures on this subject.
Fascinating Derek .
Derek, your approach is appreciated and needed. For years I longed to hear scholars of the caliber you've interviewed and given time to, so they may provide true substance. Shorter bits are great as well, when you've taken them from the whole. I'm loving this style of production as much. I've never had such access to quality, quantity, and variety. You're getting better with every drop. I'm happy to help out a little when I can. Keep the variety and continue to explore. 👍 😎 🤗
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❤In the beginning there was one energy that split down the middle one side was positive energy the other was negative energy. Whoosh all planets an water vegetation heaven an hell was formed. One energy was Melchizedek the other was God
Melchizedek could create humans but God could only create spirits. They figured out human emotions were powerful energy. Human worshippers emotions were over powered. They helped build pyramids and structures geometrically perfect all over the world to create earth magnetic pull. To extract human emotions. God wanted all the power to himself so he used the weapon on Melchizedek and turned him into the purple flame. God put the purple flame in the moon to enhance emotions even more. That's why the moon glows. I'm a atheist just like you because I know for a fact that God an the devil don't exist. Because I destroyed them they were both negative energy. Jesus an I are the last 2 standing
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No the scientist were gathered for another reason. When God flooded the world because of the Giants breath was hurting his angels. Gods last act before leaving was flood an leave. 10 giants were flash froze and the fallen Angels needed help bringing them back. Success the thin line chemtrails are true giants breath. I stopped that to no more chemtrails.
Love your graphics. Thanks for speaking a little faster.
Glad you like them!
Abraham (Originally AbRam/Father Ram) is similar with Hindu legend Rama..
He exelted story with wife and nephew are similar with Rama exelted story with wife and Brother.
He wife is kidnapped by Firaun/Pharao which similar story Ram wife kidnapped story.
He seperation story with lot is similar with Rama separation story with Lakshman.
He wife Hagar house leave story
Is similar with Rama wife Sita house leave story..
Hagor son Ismael became archer..
Similarly Sita sons Kush, lava became archer.
No. You're wrong.
@@maxtryme1508 I am right,check
Rama Abraham parallel similarities fact.both are same person
@@hoslabara2703 no bro. If it was right then why did mythvision haven't done a video on it.
Amazing connections. It would be fascinating to have Dennis McDonald's take on this.
Goosebumps! 😊
Thank you!!!!
The arguments that state why the greeks cannot be the ones copying the bible can be easily refuted:
1) Throughout history, it is always the earlier texts that appear fragmented, not linear and with some parts missing or changed, not the other way around. Meaning that the orderly fashion, completeness and linearity of the greek myths point to them being the newer text, not the older.
2) The same could be said about the argument that the greek authors were known by name and questions on why they did not reference the old testament if they copied from it. In many old cultures naming authors was not common, and let's not forget that the old testament itself is claiming a divine origin, do you think that an author would have put his name on a text he himself believes comes from god?
And examples of newer authors omitting their source or inspiration or not even knowing enough to name it can be found throughout history. It was not common practice in olden days to write the titles of books on the cover, let alone the names of authors. And sometimes when copying works those informations were forgotten and lost.
When comparing two works that share similar stories, it is way more logical to assume that the newer copied the older or at least was based on oral tradition originated from the older work than saying that the older one cannot possibly be that old and was copied from the newer one.
Nicely done.
Thank you
I've held it as a personal opinion for a long time that the 150 year++ ages of biblical patriarchs served as placeholders for the age of a single household/farmstead as opposed to the lifetime of a single individual.
Basically identical to how royal europeans can change or keep names to distinguish "houses" from eachother.
Or it could be recorded celestial knowledge. That’s my general assumption when dealing with oddly huge numbers in ancient texts.
But what about the Abraham scroll?, lol. Great teamwork! Keep up the good work gentlemen!
Great Frigging work Derek!!! Such great quality!
I seriously appreciate it
This video is incredible. Thank you.
Absolutely excellent treatise, it explains what I started to suspect at age 15 but was too fearful to fully delve into the research...👍👍🙋♀️😀
Thank you for this video
Great video Derek. I LOVE studying theological origins. I am especially interested in the Hyksos migration to Canaan because I'm interested in Canaanite/Israelite origins.
*Israelite origins*
Referring to the hills of Canaan
Dr William Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite villages".
Artifacts found in the villages matches artifacts from Shiloh, Samaria and other early Israelite cites.
*This has been verified by archeologists*
i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust and Dever
The Israelites wer just another Canaanite tribe living in the hills of Canaan
Look up Israel Finkelstein, he has a great videos series he does with the Albright Institute of Archeology
@@fordprefect5304, yes, Israel Finkelstein is an interesting scholar. He claims that there was nothing special about the first Israelites, who weren't especially different from the other Canaanite tribes - except for their firm belief that they were special. But genetic make-up doesn't confirm the idea that the original Israelites migrated into Canaan from the East.
Finkelstein also suggested that many foundations of Judaism were created during the Babylonian captivity, when the Israelites were homesick, and they needed a glue which kept them united.
@@sabineb.5616 Except there are many archeologists who support his facts.
Referring to the hills of Canaan
Starting with Dr Dever who was a starch conservative until he saw the evidence.
Dr William Dever: "We know today, from archeological investigation, that there were more than 300 early villages of the 13th and 12th century in the area. I call these "proto-Israelite villages".
The Israelites were just another Canaanite tribe living in hills of Canaan.
Artifacts found in the villages matches artifacts from Shiloh, Samaria and other early Israelite cites.
*This has been verified by archeologists*
i.e. Mazur, Na'aman, Finkelstein, Faust and Dever
Dr William Dever, an archaeologist normally associated with the more conservative end of Syro-Palestinian archaeology, has labeled the question of the historicity of Exodus “dead”.
Israeli archaeologist Ze’ev Herzog provides his view on the historicity of the Exodus:[7]
*The Israelites never were in Egypt. They never came from abroad. This whole chain is broken. It is not a historical one. It is a later legendary reconstruction - made in the seventh century [BCE] - of a history that never happened*
Verifying Dr Dever is the Merneptah Stele
Merneptah stele 1207BCE
The Egyptian army rolls through Canaan and the only Israelites they encounter are some people in the highlands that they scatter. No Israelite city states or cities. No great Israelite army to stop them. Just a people the Egyptians called Israel.
Thank you!!👏👏👏
You as well!
From Egypt,Thank you Derek for such great couragous effort,
I wish you can add arabic translation to your vedios, that would mean a lot .
Egypt 🇪🇬 👍
I will try!
Thank you indeed@@MythVisionPodcast
Excellent information.
Thank you!
I'm only 20 minutes in and already your production is on point, the northern Canaanites were migrating south due to the Mitanni, Hittites, Assyrians conquests of the Northern Land of Canaan. The Hyksos who are from Northern Canaan migrated into Egypt and again migrated North from Egypt into southern Canaan.
We all know there is Canaanites around today with there 6 tribes and 6 pointed star flag claiming to be someone else
@robertolang9684 well you know who is portraying to be from a nation called Israel aka isis ra Elohim claiming they are gods people when they are Canaanites
@robertolang9684 why do your people claim to be Jewish when you are Canaanites and I love Orthodox Jews I just don’t understand why it’s hidden they should embrace who they are there nation has all three gods in the name isis ra Elohim
The one hypothesis that continues to explain many things, even though a lot of evidence is missing, is that Greek and Roman philosophers and other intelligentsia adapted the monotheism of the Zoroastrian and Jewish religions into the old Greek religion, creating Christianity. Everything in Christianity is more or less the old traditions and myths, but exaggerated and placed on the head of a monotheistic god.
Another beautiful production guys thank you D and Neil 👏👏👏👏🤲🙏
Thank you my friend
Well done.
Thank you