Grab a copy of "Why The Bible Began" by Dr. Jacob L. Wright - amzn.to/3ufet2T "Hey guys, this is Jacob (Dr. Wright) . :) I'm really blown away by the reception! It's very encouraging! I'm also glad to know Derek now! If you'd like me to do Zoom sessions with your communities, I'm happy to do so. I put my heart and soul in this book, and I'm so glad people are finding it helpful. Please help me get the word out about in any way you can. And please drop a review on Amazon--I love to read them. All the proceeds go to Atlanta Mission. Please help them directly if you can! Thanks to you all, and thanks to you Derek. Let's do it again soon, dude, but get more into the weeds this time. :)
Yes, GOD the Eternal FATHER, have a WIFE, SHE'S GODDESS, our beloved HOLY Eternal MOTHER. Some, took books out of the Bible, forged, and translations problems.
@@baronarcanus9111 No, human beings, with their worldly knowledge, can change the truths of GOD the Eternal FATHER, and HIS WIFE, GODDESS our beloved, HOLY Eternal MOTHER. As I've said before, some people took books out of the Bible, forged it and translated it wrong.
23:10 and this is the exact message that all zionists trot out today to justify apartheid and attempted genocide in Palestine. Not much has changed. The amount of times I have heard jews and non Jewish supporters of Israel's human rights violations complaining that those who oppose them are disregarding the bible is astonishing. I was particularly astonished to hear Ross K Nichols doing this in his video about who owns Israel. Anyway, great video this, so far anyway, really interesting.
@@VAATAUSILI4139I just have one question: what do paint chips taste like? I’ve always imagined they have kind of a sweet/savory kettle corn thing going on. Also, do you have a preference for crispy or the kind that melt on your tongue? TIA!
As someone who spent a lot of my life as a Jehovahs Witness and now have freed myself and become an atheist, I am so happy to see this information finally getting out to people. Definitely getting the book!
You’re “witness” in this msg has helped an ex-evangelical… and yeah I’m getting this book. This explains so much and makes perfect sense. Hilarious that northern kingdom was 10 times greater than southern, but the bible is a southern product bigging themselves up 😅
I lost my fiance to the joho cult, I couldn't believe it but her family pressured her into conversion and since I wasn't interested, they got her to call off the wedding and she left me after six years of what was actually a really happy relationship.
It is difficult to determine when a story began, because humans have been sharing stories around a campfire as long as there have been humans and campfires, and the stories keep being elaborated and changed over the generations.
It’s remarkable how much of human life experience [over time] boils down to storytelling [in the name of “truth,” history, fact, etc.] and the interpersonal tension that arises from varied interpretation of and beliefs about stories told.
Some Australian Aboriginal oral traditions can be clearly traced back to events many thousands of years before. In Victoria there is a story of warring mountains throwing rocks at each other, these mountains were last active as volcanoes over 10,000 years previously. The inundation of the Victorian coastline about 5,000 years ago was described to early settlers to the colony, and they were told that Port Phillip Bay (Melbourne) was once dry ground; both facts were later confirmed by geological studies. So yes the spoken word can carry essential facts and truth for many, many generations. Many details will be lost, extra elements may emerge and there might be all sorts of overlay, but the most essential and important parts can be preserved like a time capsule. Indeed it may be the extra elements are necessary to keep the story meaningful and thus keep being told.
I'm sure many early stories were just people trying to understand natural phenomena,many gods and are associated with geological, meteorological and cosmological events. We now know it's all natural cause effect and not supernatural.
What if we are actually living in the mind/brain of the one we all call God, and this is why the neurons in the human brain resemble the Milky Way and outer space. And that rather than humanity evolving, we have been led into devolving by religion. And that man’s religion is nothing more than calcified spirituality. And that the worship of Yahweh and his wife is actually the honoring of both the masculine and feminine brain hemispheres - leading to the activation of the pineal, and Christ consciousness. And yet most humans fear the 3rd eye awakening, as if it is “of evil” (d’evil). And that the Third Temple lies within the separated brain hemispheres. And the Sun/Son is a vital part of the awakening process: God’s Son/Sun. And that all of this might be a part of the biblical “Honor thy mother - and thy father.”
Absolutely amazing stuff.. I may have left Christianity over a decade ago but I'm still fascinated with understanding more about how this religion came to be
You may have left it, but it will never leave you... this is why you're still intrigued by it. The truth is that the Bible is the only real evidence-supported explanation of our origin, science hasn't and will never shed any light on that. One thing I will admit is that there are many Christian denominations that don't follow Bible teachings, so if you left one of those that's for the best. However, the Bible has proven to be the word of God and one day you may come to see that.
There is NO evidence of god, the supernatural, or zombies. The only evidence indicates con artists running confidence schemes on frightened gullible humans. The bible is to be dismissed with prejudice for the fiction it is.
I feel sorrow that your life was filled with such tragedic ignorance and insidious deception. You are one of an increasing number that thankfully escaped. A testament to science and technology.
This is one of my favorite podcasts. The interviews are always informative, interesting, and enlightening. Thanks for all your hard work presenting this podcast.
Great video (haven’t read book so don’t know). Our world needs more cooperation and sources of credible unbiased info vs more competition. Also who encourage critical independent thought and diff views vs followers. Many on YT with well researched objective content on various subjects. Dr Mobeen and Prasad are two of the best for medical and Physionic a molecular biologist for health studies. WHY Files and Truthstream media are also good. Jim Pilger one of the best journalists for war and govt related issues. J. Krishnamurti teachings for spirituality if able to think. And more. None of this takes away from this video or his content. We need more like it. Peace and health. ✌️
Great chat. Great channel. I have learned a lot about what the Bible really does tell us. I enjoyed the Bible discussion and the open-minded question of the human experiment.
Derek, just wanted to say that I really like your approach. You are enthusiastic about getting to the truth of these religions you've discussed on your channel with eminent scholars and others while asking questions that delve deep into the matter at hand, while keeping both the guest and the audience interested. It's evident that you have the respect of both. Good on you!
This is an absolutely phenomenal interview that is incredibly compelling. And the so respect Dr. Wright's impersonal analysis. He is looking purely at the data. This is EXACTLY what the scholarship needs. I am going to get this amazing book. As Dr. Wright says, we are looking for truth. That's all that matters.
I just wanted to say thank you to both of you gentlemen. I’m a scientist at heart, so I look for answers to everything I can, and like it or not I want the truth. That’s why I appreciate MythVision. I certainly hope you both will do this again. Again thank you both, and best wishes to you and your family’s. ✌️🇺🇸
Boring topic. How about an interesting topic. Chaldean astrologers. Ezekiels mazzaroth. Ancient traveling sun cults and the enlightenment movement that builg all the world's temple ruins.
@@cecileroy557 It's an astounding prophecy though found throughout the OT. You'll be scattered all over the world, which happened You'll be persecuted in foreign lands, check. Your numbers will remain small, check. And then I'll regather you from all over the world. check. This has not happened with any other peoples that I know of and it is just amazing how the geopolitics of the world throughout history was such that this came to fruition.
This is the level of scholarship that we have come to expect from this channel, not speculation and warlike posturing. Great interview Derek and Dr. Wright. Would love to hear more about the Elephantine community. They have been a source of intrigue for me for some time.
Just requested that my library purchase the ebook. Super excited to read it! On a separate note, thank you, Dr. Wright, for being corageous enough to challenge academic status quo. I recently left academia myself bc too often my ideas and observations made my colleagues uncomfortable and pearl clutchy. I always thought academia was a place where bodies of knowledge could be challenged and evolve when necessary, but what i actually experienced was too many scholars unwilling/uninterested in rocking the "mainstream scholarship" boat. Kudos to you for putting intellectual honesty above institutionalist group think.
No, no it is always about money. Academia makes bank off publishing. You present new information and new narratives and the text books and publications need updating. So they will need a new book. Probably one you wrote. Now the professor is no longer getting book sales. Now he/she is mad at you. Your brilliant insights and discoveries cost him/her financial loss. That's why scholars are unwilling to rock the boat. It costs them financially.
I previously disregarded this video as just another opinion, and boy am I so glad I decided to give it a second chance. Jacob is right on point, it makes sense, and it aligns with my own opinion about bible narrative.
I sincerely appreciate Prof. Wright’s perspective on leadership’s storytelling to get people to unite. People do that. That was my own conclusion recently. When someone who is not your real leader and doesn’t even like you starts telling tales, that’s often just an invasion.
@@gardeniabee Compare the leadership of either Party to Ron Paul. The former want you to prevent change. Ron Paul wants fundamental change, like repealing the Legal Tender Law and the system arising from it.
The Ancient Israelites wrote the Tanak in order to give themselves a Cultural identity, just as all the other Nations around them had a Historical narrative from which they formed their Cultural identity. Egypt for example, had a very rich Cultural identity and had texts such as "The Pyramid Texts", "The Egyptian Book of the Dead", the "42 Laws of Maat Under Kemet Law", "The Book of the Opening of the Mouth" (a liturgy of Funerary Offerings), "The Burden of Isis" (Love Hymns to Isis), "The Story of the Book of Thoth", "The Wisdom of Hermes Trismegistus", just to name a few. So Israel needed something like this as well.
Finding the truth creates a solid foundation for future scholarship efforts on the biblical texts. I’m excited about this book & what it will inspire and the revelations that will be discovered by using it. ✌️💕🤘
This is a spectacular interview, and thank you, Derek, for conducting it without Super Chat! Scholars of this magnitude deserve that. Dr. Wright’s commitment to getting the best answers possible without concern for dominant paradigms is evident and deeply appreciated. This approach is the breath of fresh air that someone coming from a background, however long ago, of religious dictates immediately senses and craves. Thanks to you both. Looking forward to reading the book.
Very insightful and surgical in his analysis. I am getting a copy now without hesitation. Keep-up the good work Dr Wright and stay strong always Derek!!!
My copy is arriving in Scotland tomorrow! Between this and books like “God: An Anatomy”, my deconversion from evangelicalism must really be messing with online algorithms 😂. I still have these moments of wanting to both laugh and cry at the same time, when my brain sees the reality behind what I’d followed for decades as mystical truth that others couldn’t see. These texts as a way of dealing with economic/ military/ political defeat actually become more beautiful to me: I can put myself in that position. And it seriously helps me to hand them back to these contexts, thank the writers for the good stuff - we got great paintings & music from Bach, Handel, Palestrina etc and cool buildings that I love. They were gifted writers of poetry & story, and did the best they could in times of catastrophe: which Professor Wright helpfully points that we are in today on a cliff edge. With all the benefits we have, let’s together do better than this. I think this book will help me to do better in this world, and inwardly let some things go
@@icypirate11 30 years a born again, began questioning during lockdown (2020-21). Rock solid belief & personal relationship, learned Hebrew & Greek to read the original, latterly held leadership role & discipled new believers. But before I was open to biblical academic research during pandemic (and i began watching Mythvision through my fingers lol), I had major cognitive dissonance from how other senior leading Christians & Pastors acted - it simply didn’t add up, and way too much narcissism & abuse. There’s only so much “original sin” theological handwaving the church can do. Finding out God had had a wife & kids was the major shift: he’d told me all along he was a single father! 😉 So to the couple of confidents I have I tongue-in-cheek thank Asherah, and the tonnes of archeology that attest to the actual history. I though this scholar’s work was beautiful
Terrific interview, what a refreshing scholar. Yes please have Dr. Wright back. I would love a joint convo between Russell Gmirkin (nice reference to his work, Derek), Dr. Wright, and Dr. Walsh for starters. Would also love to learn more about Elephantine.
This argument makes more sense than anything else I've ever heard. I can't wait to buy and read the book. I feel like a lot of questions I've always had have been answered. Thank you Dr. Wright.
Loved this episode. Fascinating topic and Dr. Wright is so level-headed and clear in his descriptions. One quick unrelated note: the word disparate is pronounced almost exactly the same as desperate, just replace " des" with "dis," the rest is exactly the same.
I recognised the very obvious exile-and-return pattern in the Hebrew Scriptures when I was a teenager. It’s every single story of the first 11 chapters of Genesis. I was so proud of myself for figuring that out, though!
I remember as a *kid* listening to all the stories in Genesis and getting the feeling that something was fishy because of how same motifs and patterns kept repeating.
@@ring-tone278the narrative is that he was a human being by his mother. Human sacrifice to any deity freely given or forced is an abomination to the father of Jesus you think requires it. Simple truth even children grasp.
@debrapaulino918 Adam wasn't deceived. The ground did produce thorns and thistles because Jesus worn the crown of thorns and thistles. God told Adam the prophecy of the resurrection. Genesis 3:15 The Sacrifice of Jesus was the first part of the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will bruise him in the heel.” Satan the Dragon and the Wild Beast the 6th Kingdom executed Jesus on their image the cross. It was the Roman Empire of Italy that is also the shape of the heel. So the first part of the prophecy is complete . Satan bruised Jesus in the heel.
All religions have started out as oral stories. Then they were progressively built up by other different types of people that had a certain agenda. Then they were specifically interwoven into their final storyline forms. By incorporating other emotionally manipulative myths, legends, beliefs. By the higher educated religious, and political leaderships for the purpose of engineering their societies. By using peoples emotions against them.
This has to be one of Derek's most fascinating interviews - and there are many to chose from. Also, I really get a kick of Derek presenting and commenting on scholarly topics with the energy and enthusiasm of a sports commentator - cracks me up every time! Keep up the good work.
I'm a "lapsed Jew" and this was fascinating. It helped to explain or at least discuss a lot about the translations of these books which is helpful. I'm a neopagan now, but went through a lot of religions in my 65 yrs and this just confirms I've been right -- the current crop of evangelicals are very dangerous & have a LOT to learn. Too much ignorance -- No religious home-schooling!!
@@MythVisionPodcast - Here is The True Savior YaH The Heavenly FATHER (Genesis 1) HIMSELF was Who they Crucified/Pierced for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF” From the Ancient Semitic: "Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3) Ancient Semitic Direct Translation Yad - "Behold The Hand" He - "Behold the Breath" Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
In Modern English! Praise Jah not Praise Yah Hallelujah not Halleluyah Revelation 19:1 Revelation 19:3 Revelation 19:4 Revelation 19:6 Bible Hub for Bible Translations to compare! A Revelation to John 19 After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah!* Footnotes *Or “Hallelujah!” “Jah” is a shortened form of the name Jehovah.
@@strappedfatman7858 The letter “J” does not exist in Hebrew, never has. His Holy Name is YaH Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah) Isaiah 42:8 "I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols. Isaiah 43:11 I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me. Isaiah 45:5 I am YaH, and there is none else.
@@Praise___YaH Yes , I know. This is why I was referring to Revelation 19:1 Praise Jah! Why is hallelujah spelled two different ways? ''Hallelujah'' is derived from the Hebrew spelling of the word while ''alleluia'' is the Latin transliteration of the Greek transliteration of ''hallelujah.
To say this subject was due is a huge understatement. For so, so many years, I have been told "it's the word of God". Since I haven't believed in the Christian god for a few decades now, nor any other religion's god either, this subject is due for discussion. Thank you.
I am always very weary of opinions. If God, your Creator, The Creator, is not where the intel came from, then how can you be sure? I found God to be The Best Guide and Teacher. It appears that God understands a person better than other people will and thus knows what lessons are good for a person for where and how they are at any given time in their lives. Let me know if it was God who told you that those were The Word of God or if they are not. Otherwise, it's just speculation on your part, either way.
I spend most of my life with the Jehovah Witness after these years the true light started to shining thank you. I order this book to reed from tomorrow
You don't know what Yhwh is son. These people have mistranslated the texts just like religious people have. It's absurd. In the beginning was the Word. YHWH was the Word. Christians and Satanists alike worship the big bang, the output to Yhwhs input. Yhwh is the sinusoidal input signal to the big bangs square wave, pulsating digital output signal. The ancient texts literally declare this.
All my life my self been believing in the god of the Bible and Jesus now little by little I been questioning everything ! So I feel like I’m in a process of detoxing from all that teaching everything is new to me !
When one reads the Bible as if it is a serialized novel constructed by various editors, it is a bit like binge watching Once Upon a Time. It is very very entertaining, dramatic, full of violence, struggle, love and victory.
Meh if you think the Bible is in any way fascinating or compelling .....well I'm guessing you haven't read much. The Bible was so all over the place and contradicts and disjointed.....not sure how you could compare it too Once Upon a Time 🙄🤣 Sooooo much of it is boring or badly written. There's some beautiful verses too but it's NOT some awesomely written page turner
@@6Haunted-Days I found The New Testament to be very well written and I can't find any contradictions or disjointed information. Isaiah 53 predicted the events from The New Testament over 600 years prior the those events.
No discussion on this topic is interesting if it omits the central theme. None of these people are humans. Zeus is a planet just like Mars and Chronos. Why are we arguing if Bible history is accurate?
@DerekLambert, you've done it again! Superb guest and well led interview. I just ordered my copy of Why The Bible Begun. Professor Wright, I look forward to reading your arguments. Thank you for being a dissenting voice in the mainly conservative field of bible studies.
Cool 😎. Former Catholic Priest Alan Watts said such claimes when I listened to him on the radio in the nineteen sixties in his lectures - On Being God. And - What is Reality? And - They Made it All Up!
I’m at 19’50”, and the point about the Hebrew Bible being “a survival manual for a community that no longer has a kingdom” reminds me of how the trauma of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE led to both the development both of rabbinic tradition (including the Mishnah and ultimately the Talmud), and the development of the New Testament texts (esp the gospels) among proto-Christian groups. The same pattern of creating texts to survive after traumatic disruption to your community
I'm not a scholar but I can't think of another people/country who wrote books about their history & religion after trauma.... but what is being postulated here makes total sense!
@@louhortonsculpture The US south was an interesting business. I've always been kind of the opinion that the South was probably right "legally" - I can't see anything in the Constitution that said a state couldn't opt out of the country. States rights, etc. - I think they had a point. But practically speaking I suspect that if the North had "let them go" the further unfolding of history wouldn't have gone nearly as well, and on top of that the South was entirely in the wrong morally on the core causal issue. Ultimately the North didn't need to approach it something they were legally entitled to do - the war could be regarded as one nation invading another to put a stop to institutionalized human rights violations. Anyway, I'm certainly no lawyer, so... probably just shouldn't open my mouth. That's the way it's always seemed to me, though. Practically speaking, I think we needed to remain one nation in order to meet the coming future as successfully as we managed. And slavery needed to be brought to an end.
When I learned that the Exodus story of millions of Hebrew slaves was more likely a work of fiction I wondered if its purpose then was to be an origination story for a people, to give them a sense of identity and a space to belong in the world. Dr. Wright's research and insights profoundly delve right into that, levels deep. Thank you!
Revelation 15:3 Using the prophetic year of the Bible. Adam was created 4026 bce. 4026 bce + 6000 is 1974. But to enter into Jehovah's rest. Is 60 years. Jehovah said they would die in the wilderness from age 20 and up. So 40 years plus 20 is 60 years. 1974 plus 60 years is 2034 also. Jehovah then said to Moses and Aaron: 27 “How much longer will this evil assembly keep up this murmuring against me? I have heard what the Israelites are murmuring against me. 28 Say to them, ‘“As surely as I live,” declares Jehovah, “I will do to you just what I have heard you speak! 29 In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me. Hebrews 3:9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’” Hebrews 4:2 For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They will not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4 For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5 and here again he says: “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again marks off a certain day by saying long afterward in David’s psalm, “Today”; just as it has been said above, “Today if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, God would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God. 10 For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. 11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience. 14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of him.
I will not stop commenting until you read the book "The invention of the Jewish People" by jewish historian Schlomo Sand. It would be super cool if you could have him on the show. Dr Jacob L Wright is brilliant by the way. Thanks for inviting him
I agree re Shlomo.....but I've only watched his presentations and online interviews. Such a sincere and self effacing scholar who makes those bullies and zealots run away
I should have looked in the Transcripts first…but I wanted to express my appreciation, not only for the gutsy brilliance of Dr Wright but also for the well informed enthusiasm of the interviewer! Their commitment to pushing the current envelope in pursuit of truth (rare in the greater arena these days but, gratefully, on the rise) was tremendously engaging and, yes, enlightening. Thank you, both.
That was just so excellent. Thank you Dr. Jacob Wright for coming on Myrh Vision! Your knowledge and your expertise were delivered in such an interesting and engaging way! It would be a pleasure to see you on myth vision again soon!
This is fascinating stuff. I'm going to get this book. Dr. Wright is a great speaker too. I could listen to him all day. I have for years suspected that the gospels were all about politics and power and now Dr. Wright has enlightened us with the specifics and given real gravitas to my personal suspicions. I really love the fact that Dr. Wright is a critical thinker and talks about people getting offended when they shouldn't.
This is great! It would be awesome if we have one on the Quran How it was invented as an offshoot of the bible, the controversy around the different versions of the Quran, the famous uthmanic burning of the Quran, etc. Love your stuff Derek!
With my limited knowledge, the Quran follows the same pattern. A group of people wanted power. God conveniently chose them and promised power. The OT and NT were RetConed to suit that narrative. Same thing with Mormon etc. Easiest way to convince someone to follow the rules and commit atrocities against other human beings is to tell them it’s gods idea and he’s always watching. But yes, a deep dive into the specifics would be interesting!
There's a RUclips channel called "Exploring the Quran and the Bible" run by professor Gabriel Said Reynolds. He interviews a lot of scholars about these sorts of things.
I did get a copy of this book and am about halfway thru. Fascinating book. Fascinating author. Fascinating discussion. For those wishing to understand the Bible in a non dogmatic, religious view, in other words, as it really should be understood, this conversation, and this book is so very helpful. Thank you so much Dr. Wright and Derek.
To your comments, Dr. Wright @54:20 ..... Scholars invest such a huge part of their lives investing in their theories, that it is not really surprising that they get angry when someone comes along with an equally believable theory, or even better theory, than theirs. Sadly, it's human nature. Don't sweat it, I am quite enjoying yours !
I bought this book based on Derrick's recommendation list and am glad I did. It's very well written and easy to read and follow while he take the reader through some complexities of the text. I'm taking my time through it so that I can follow-up with some of the archeological studies (El Amarna letters, Elephantine Texts, Merneptah Stele et al) while also reading through several of the biblical texts he uses to demonstrate his argument. He makes a good case for Defeat being the reason that brought these texts together and for edits to be made. This is well worth reading and helps put new and more clear goggles on for viewing the Hebrew Bible. It's also fun to watch Wright be a little bit perplexed at some of Derek's reactions, knowing that some of what Wright says is in direct contradiction to a lot of fundamentalism and Evangelical beliefs. But, you can tell that Wright is nowhere near as familiar with Evangelicalism as Derek and many of us are and so his off the cuff comments are to us absolute mic drop moments. Love it. UPDATE 11/23/2024 I just finished this book tonight. Took nearly 3 months but it was worth it. Please have him back to keep discussing this topic. This interview ends with a banger discussing Elephantine and how this provides additional evidence to scribes writing a mythic past to shape the present and future of the community. I want to know how intentional this was: Was it done with deliberate conscious forethought or was it all subconsciously unintentional to create a survival manual for a people without a kingdom living in the shadows of larger empires? By the time of Jesus, they all took this as literal history (as far as I can tell) and must have been successfully psyop'ed according to Wright's thesis. To what extent was this project successful or unsuccessful, both back then and even now? I really enjoyed the book and had to take my time through it to ponder it and read additional source materials it refers to while also re-reading some of the Biblical texts. It would also be great to have him on debating Ken Ham (only partially joking). Or, any other serious scholar who can ask scholarly questions perhaps from a different viewpoint., maybe Josh Bowen or Kipp Davis since you've had them on before. And I agree that the absence of Torah and Moses in the Elephantine documents is highly unlikely. When Jesus spoke, he often referred to Moses and the Prophets. When the Church Fathers wrote, they never wasted an opportunity to quote scripture. Why would a people of the book not quote the book unless, of course, the book didn't yet exist. Wright does an excellent job in his book of demonstrating this.
Good discussion, thank you. Reading Prof. Wright’s book now. Really challenging and eye-opening for this JEPD Baden-Friedman fan. Looking forward to more.
This is an amazing interview. The historical analysis explored here has similarities to the evolution of the New Testament Gospels and how the theological concepts expressed in them changed in the ones written later conmpared to the earliest one.
Wow wow...this is an excellent episode... thanks Derek 🙏🙏🙏🙏 and Dr. Wright... you are one of these very few people who are willing to open the gate instead of keeping it closed... and your kind of intellectual is what propels humanity forward... kudos... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖
I keep looking for the “final nail in the coffin” regarding the fallacy of religion, but listening to this show gives me hope. The responses of both Derek and Dr. Wright were concise, scholarly, and fluid. They captivated me.
The temporary things of this world can sometimes be captivating. But if you try on the eternal things of the universe, you may actually start to understand how much more captivating is the Truth.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!! I was shall we say 'introduced' to Catholicism when my family arrived in Australia in 1956. My mother was a nominal catholic, my father a Lutheran. Till our ship crossed the Suez Canal in June 1956 luckily I had not once heard any mythology regarding the so-called bible. Unfortunately, my cousins who had arrived before us went to Catholic schools and I was brought up a so-called Catholic. I rejected it when I turned 14 and have spent my last 59 years comfortable with my rational objection. I do, however, correspond with one of my teachers, an eighty year old priest who is a biblical scholar and has had 50 or so books published. He is a wonderful human being and I totally respect him. However, I cannot come to terms with his acceptance of the validity, even the existence, of a man some beings called Christ, and I sometimes forward programs like this to him. He knows Bart Ehrman, and, of course disagrees with him. All I can say for sure is that I love this program, and this program with Herr Wright has been one of the best episodes of my life as a human being attempting to come to terms with why the Western world is so fucked and focused on nothing but war.
I feel like people NOT understanding how a body of media/texts about characters can grow in this snowball way haven't interacted heavily with franchises, fandom and fan fiction. Like Star Wars is not quite 50 years old. It draws on ancient themes but those characters have already changes to 'canon' and various arguable retcons in the time of a generation or two of real life time.but the creators do try to unify and develop a unified version where they can. Transformers is about 40 years old now and has many separate continuities featuring the same characters. Some creators do try to create a unified canon but in the same time many others are not. And that's just official licensed works! That's before all the fan-created works. And this happens with many characters and stories.
As a manga reader, I agree with this. Dragon Ball is starting to mess with "canon". But because I'm also very familiar with fan translations of manga I can see why both the Documentary Hypothesis and Wright's view both hold merit.
Hello, I have listened to your interview and it makes sense. My major question is, how did we get 7 or 8 blood types and 7 or 8 major races from 2 people ( Adam and Eve). Or 8 people ( Noah and his wife, his 3 sons and their wives). The only thing that I've read that makes sense is the annunaki. Help me out here. Please
Can Dr Wright do an audiobook version? I never read books anymore but would LOVE hearing his voice reading the book. Or done as a video would be better. He was one of the most informative and coolest guests on this show.
Buying the book now. What a great interview! I’d love to hear him discuss any topic he has thoughts on. I wish this information wasn’t so threatening to people (believers)-I find it SO helpful!
Good discussion. After 30 years of life as a semi-devout Christian, I ripped myself up by the roots, took a deep dive into research and reached a similar conclusion by around 2007-2008. This process is extremely traumatic and difficult to say the least... some people literally might not survive it. Even though I had concluded the same answers proposed here, I ordered the book to get a clearer understanding of why things were done this way which has led most of the world to this point. Since that time, I have had an astonishing adjustment in my world view. If the average person is at ground level, the information presented in this book may take someone to, say the 1,000 foot view... in the past 15 years or so, I've gone past this to a 10,000 foot view relative to where I began.
He is spot-on with the concept of supposedly not trying something new but instead returning to a past state, by those who advocate for a united monarchy. Martin Luther used the same ploy, claiming that his reforms were not at all radical but rather a return to the Roman Catholicism of a millennium before.
Years and years ago, I read or heard from someone that for many years, the ancient Israelites had only stories told over campfires of past events, that lasted maybe over ages. And the original stories started with Abraham. Anything before that was irrelevant to a people on the move and trying to keep some semblance of order. The stories were passed down verbally (or probably in some type of song, etc) from generation to generation. Finally when the two kingdoms were conquered and subjugated by ‘whoever’ and many sent into exile in Babylon (or wherever), the children being born into these different cultures began asking questions about what happened before Abraham. And they started adapting Babylonian (or whatever) culture. So, those in charge decided it was time to write down the stories that had been told by centuries over campfires (and changed slightly in each retelling), AND!!! Add in stories from the other cultures but reordered and/or rewritten (or retold) from a Israelite/Jewish religious perspective. The hope was to keep a separate culture and history so that future generations had something to counter what they were hearing from other cultures. So, the ‘Bible’ started to be written down during the Babylonian captivities and the world origin stories were added at this time but changed from the Babylonian, Sumarian, Assyrian, whatever myths to match what happens later. I heard this possibility maybe 40-50 years ago.
I think we are getting closer and closer to the truth about religion and why people need to be careful believing in any religion. Thanks MythVision for this ongoing mission to basically saving humanity from insanity with interviewing authors and researchers like Dr Jacob Wright for us. Keep up the good work.
Definitely need to read the book as he goes into detail about a lot of evidence from the Merneptah stele, to the Amarna letters, to the Elephantine texts, to discussions on Genesis 26, Genesis 1 and 2, Exodus 1, 2 and 3, all of Ezra and Nehemiah, Haggai and many others. It's definitely well worth the read and even if you happen to disagree with it at the end, it still really gets you thinking.
That was an amazing interview with Dr. Wright, Derek! What he's saying is explosive and I hope to see more of him and hear more of what he has to say on the MVP.
I was bound, captivated, throughout the whole presentation. I had thought of the documentary hypothesis and was about to make a comment about it when the explanation came as a natural part of the conversation. Yes. I can't wait for more -- to "get into the weeds." Thanks
I was literally just hypothesizing along these lines a few nights ago, with far less academic basis than Dr Wright. Great discussion, I will be ordering the book and look forward to seeing the good doctor on the show again!
Last night (in Europe), as I watched the video, I had a weird feeling; that I have heard a story - a mythology based on a defeat induced trauma, very, very similar to this - before. When I woke up, I knew exactly what story it was, and the irony is as sinister as it is black: Without futher deliberation, I can come up with five clear similarities (I have to dig into the subject again, as I think there are many more): Heinrich Himmlers "Ahnenerbe" (ancestral heritage) project, which was a core part of the thought-dna behind the pretext for "die Endlösung", was: 1) Spawned by the trauma of Germany loosing WW I. 2) Himmlers mythology had the ancient King Heinrich I in the role of King David. 3) The goal was not to restore the lost Kingdom itself, but to use the myth surrounding it as a rally point, from which a new (political/religious: same, same, when it gets fanatical) common identity could be forged. 4) It was centered around a figure of absolute, distant (Hitler´s private life was kept a secret exactly to create that effect) authority - Führer as a substitute to a classic deity. 5) Those who opposed (in reality or were claimed to do so) were regarded as subhumans ("enemies of God" is the term in Iran presently) to be delt with accordingly.
So, you know that you could've come up with so many other similar examples throughout history, but instead you chose to equate Judaism with Nazism?? Am I understanding this correctly?
@@bpcj4891 you are welcome to come up with similar examples your self and will be interesting. But I should find it hard myself. National sociale foundations let by ideals, but only for the pure by blood. Destinys chosen flock or herd.
@@svendhansen5427 Jews don't go by "pure blood" though so you're wrong. Also, my comment wasn't toward you, so I'm not sure why you're responding as if I was speaking to you.
@@bpcj4891: I could have searched for other parallels, but at the end of the day that would have been letting the Nazis stand as the end of history, as those so special that they cannot be analysed on normal terms. They don´t deserve that, frankly - really nobody does. I think it is universally human wanting to find some kind of explaination to one´s defeat, regardless if as a group or as an individual. The parallel is so effective in that respect, because it goes to show that the Nazis did exactly what they themselves blaimed the Jews for; assuming to be so special, that everybody else would deliberately conspire against them (the Nazis viewed themselves as the true Germans, who´s "place in the sun" ("Platz an der Sonne" - Kaiser Wilhelm II) was "robbed" during WWI). Therefore their hate for the Jews was in ways based on seing the Jews as usurpers to the throne of exceptionality, they (the Nazis) wanted to reserve for themselves - a zero-sum game. The claim to being exceptional is normally either connected to a narrative of victimhood or one of grandeur (in the sense of being chosen - Hitler viewed himself as just that, and as his surroundings confirmed that notion on a daily basis, he became more and more convinced), and not so rarely of being both simultaneously, which is a major driving mechanism behind conspiracy theories (hence why the Nazis in many ways regarded the Jews as sub- and superhuman at the same time). Conspiracy theories serve two main purposes - probably both in the nature of reassurance to comfort a battered self-image: 1)To reassure the believers that they are indeed special ("At the core of every sect one will find the wish for belonging to an elite!", Max Weber - translation and phrasing is according to my recollection, so it might be unorthodox, but the essense is acurate). 2) To reassure the believers that there is an absolute purpose in life, and hence "things happen for a reason", instead of the chilling notion, that bad luck is probably more down to a combination of sheer, bloody chance and one´s own ineptness. So no, I am not out to get Judaism anymore than any other -ism. I don´t care much for any of them, as they all tend to freeze into dogmatism as soon as they are born. That due to the fact, that they are depending on the relative level of knowledge in the era in which they, respectively, were spawned, why their followers will always incline towards levels of obscurantism in order to maintain the philosophy upon which their self-image rests.
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"Hey guys, this is Jacob (Dr. Wright) . :) I'm really blown away by the reception! It's very encouraging! I'm also glad to know Derek now! If you'd like me to do Zoom sessions with your communities, I'm happy to do so. I put my heart and soul in this book, and I'm so glad people are finding it helpful. Please help me get the word out about in any way you can. And please drop a review on Amazon--I love to read them. All the proceeds go to Atlanta Mission. Please help them directly if you can! Thanks to you all, and thanks to you Derek. Let's do it again soon, dude, but get more into the weeds this time. :)
Yes, GOD the Eternal FATHER, have a WIFE, SHE'S GODDESS, our beloved HOLY Eternal MOTHER. Some, took books out of the Bible, forged, and translations problems.
Enki->Marduk ~= Osiris->Horus, but I'm sure you already knew that, Derek.
@@baronarcanus9111 No, human beings, with their worldly knowledge, can change the truths of GOD the Eternal FATHER, and HIS WIFE, GODDESS our beloved, HOLY Eternal MOTHER. As I've said before, some people took books out of the Bible, forged it and translated it wrong.
23:10 and this is the exact message that all zionists trot out today to justify apartheid and attempted genocide in Palestine.
Not much has changed. The amount of times I have heard jews and non Jewish supporters of Israel's human rights violations complaining that those who oppose them are disregarding the bible is astonishing. I was particularly astonished to hear Ross K Nichols doing this in his video about who owns Israel.
Anyway, great video this, so far anyway, really interesting.
@@VAATAUSILI4139I just have one question: what do paint chips taste like? I’ve always imagined they have kind of a sweet/savory kettle corn thing going on. Also, do you have a preference for crispy or the kind that melt on your tongue? TIA!
As someone who spent a lot of my life as a Jehovahs Witness and now have freed myself and become an atheist, I am so happy to see this information finally getting out to people. Definitely getting the book!
You are AMAZING!!!
Congratulations on your escape. It was all mental. But the mental prisons seem to be the hardest to break out of
You’re “witness” in this msg has helped an ex-evangelical… and yeah I’m getting this book. This explains so much and makes perfect sense. Hilarious that northern kingdom was 10 times greater than southern, but the bible is a southern product bigging themselves up 😅
I lost my fiance to the joho cult, I couldn't believe it but her family pressured her into conversion and since I wasn't interested, they got her to call off the wedding and she left me after six years of what was actually a really happy relationship.
@@calanm7880lol glad I could help! Take in as much information as you can. And enjoy the journey!
Awesome quote: “The bible really is through and through a survival manual for a community that no longer has a kingdom.” Dr. Jacob L. Wright
I thought the same thing. That quote just about sums up his thesis for his book.
This was an amazing interview, with Mr. Wright. I would love to see more of him. He made it all make sense. Thank you.
It is difficult to determine when a story began, because humans have been sharing stories around a campfire as long as there have been humans and campfires, and the stories keep being elaborated and changed over the generations.
It’s remarkable how much of human life experience [over time] boils down to storytelling [in the name of “truth,” history, fact, etc.] and the interpersonal tension that arises from varied interpretation of and beliefs about stories told.
Some Australian Aboriginal oral traditions can be clearly traced back to events many thousands of years before. In Victoria there is a story of warring mountains throwing rocks at each other, these mountains were last active as volcanoes over 10,000 years previously. The inundation of the Victorian coastline about 5,000 years ago was described to early settlers to the colony, and they were told that Port Phillip Bay (Melbourne) was once dry ground; both facts were later confirmed by geological studies.
So yes the spoken word can carry essential facts and truth for many, many generations. Many details will be lost, extra elements may emerge and there might be all sorts of overlay, but the most essential and important parts can be preserved like a time capsule. Indeed it may be the extra elements are necessary to keep the story meaningful and thus keep being told.
I'm sure many early stories were just people trying to understand natural phenomena,many gods and are associated with geological, meteorological and cosmological events.
We now know it's all natural cause effect and not supernatural.
Not for the Dogon tribe out in Mali Africa 😊
What if we are actually living in the mind/brain of the one we all call God, and this is why the neurons in the human brain resemble the Milky Way and outer space. And that rather than humanity evolving, we have been led into devolving by religion. And that man’s religion is nothing more than calcified spirituality. And that the worship of Yahweh and his wife is actually the honoring of both the masculine and feminine brain hemispheres - leading to the activation of the pineal, and Christ consciousness. And yet most humans fear the 3rd eye awakening, as if it is “of evil” (d’evil). And that the Third Temple lies within the separated brain hemispheres. And the Sun/Son is a vital part of the awakening process: God’s Son/Sun. And that all of this might be a part of the biblical “Honor thy mother - and thy father.”
Absolutely amazing stuff.. I may have left Christianity over a decade ago but I'm still fascinated with understanding more about how this religion came to be
Same
You may have left it, but it will never leave you... this is why you're still intrigued by it. The truth is that the Bible is the only real evidence-supported explanation of our origin, science hasn't and will never shed any light on that. One thing I will admit is that there are many Christian denominations that don't follow Bible teachings, so if you left one of those that's for the best. However, the Bible has proven to be the word of God and one day you may come to see that.
@@colinpierre3441um... no.
There is NO evidence of god, the supernatural, or zombies. The only evidence indicates con artists running confidence schemes on frightened gullible humans. The bible is to be dismissed with prejudice for the fiction it is.
I feel sorrow that your life was filled with such tragedic ignorance and insidious deception. You are one of an increasing number that thankfully escaped. A testament to science and technology.
This is one of my favorite podcasts. The interviews are always informative, interesting, and enlightening. Thanks for all your hard work presenting this podcast.
Derek is the hardest-working RUclipsr with the best content, and this interview was no exception. Now I have to get the book too!
You're the best!
Great video (haven’t read book so don’t know). Our world needs more cooperation and sources of credible unbiased info vs more competition. Also who encourage critical independent thought and diff views vs followers. Many on YT with well researched objective content on various subjects. Dr Mobeen and Prasad are two of the best for medical and Physionic a molecular biologist for health studies. WHY Files and Truthstream media are also good. Jim Pilger one of the best journalists for war and govt related issues. J. Krishnamurti teachings for spirituality if able to think. And more. None of this takes away from this video or his content. We need more like it. Peace and health. ✌️
Great chat. Great channel. I have learned a lot about what the Bible really does tell us. I enjoyed the Bible discussion and the open-minded question of the human experiment.
Derek, you do such a BEAUTIFUL JOB of presenting religious historical facts. Thank YOU!
Derek, just wanted to say that I really like your approach. You are enthusiastic about getting to the truth of these religions you've discussed on your channel with eminent scholars and others while asking questions that delve deep into the matter at hand, while keeping both the guest and the audience interested. It's evident that you have the respect of both. Good on you!
Just bought it and arriving tomorrow! I can't thank you enough brother for all of your hard work and content! A true lifesaver! Cheers brother!
U should also get a book about big foot is myth and how it began 😂😂😂😂
This is an absolutely phenomenal interview that is incredibly compelling. And the so respect Dr. Wright's impersonal analysis. He is looking purely at the data.
This is EXACTLY what the scholarship needs. I am going to get this amazing book. As Dr. Wright says, we are looking for truth.
That's all that matters.
I just wanted to say thank you to both of you gentlemen. I’m a scientist at heart, so I look for answers to everything I can, and like it or not I want the truth. That’s why I appreciate MythVision. I certainly hope you both will do this again. Again thank you both, and best wishes to you and your family’s. ✌️🇺🇸
Please bring this dude back for more, this was awesome. Grabbing the book!
Boring topic. How about an interesting topic. Chaldean astrologers. Ezekiels mazzaroth. Ancient traveling sun cults and the enlightenment movement that builg all the world's temple ruins.
Maybe he could explain why the Assyrian and Babylonian Empires are gone but the Judeans are back in town as was foretold in the Bible.
@@jamesr8584 Oh... Gee-whiz - therefore the Bible must be true. Your comment proves nothing, sorry..
@@cecileroy557
It's an astounding prophecy though found throughout the OT. You'll be scattered all over the world, which happened You'll be persecuted in foreign lands, check. Your numbers will remain small, check. And then I'll regather you from all over the world. check. This has not happened with any other peoples that I know of and it is just amazing how the geopolitics of the world throughout history was such that this came to fruition.
This is the level of scholarship that we have come to expect from this channel, not speculation and warlike posturing. Great interview Derek and Dr. Wright. Would love to hear more about the Elephantine community. They have been a source of intrigue for me for some time.
Absolutely fascinating. I was hanging on every word. It all makes so much sense. Excellent guest. Please have him back.
Just requested that my library purchase the ebook. Super excited to read it!
On a separate note, thank you, Dr. Wright, for being corageous enough to challenge academic status quo. I recently left academia myself bc too often my ideas and observations made my colleagues uncomfortable and pearl clutchy. I always thought academia was a place where bodies of knowledge could be challenged and evolve when necessary, but what i actually experienced was too many scholars unwilling/uninterested in rocking the "mainstream scholarship" boat. Kudos to you for putting intellectual honesty above institutionalist group think.
No, no it is always about money. Academia makes bank off publishing. You present new information and new narratives and the text books and publications need updating. So they will need a new book. Probably one you wrote. Now the professor is no longer getting book sales. Now he/she is mad at you. Your brilliant insights and discoveries cost him/her financial loss. That's why scholars are unwilling to rock the boat. It costs them financially.
Thank you for hosting these incredible people. Knowledge is lovely to have, and you've gifted me a lot!
For lack of knowledge, we sincerely perish 😅
I previously disregarded this video as just another opinion, and boy am I so glad I decided to give it a second chance. Jacob is right on point, it makes sense, and it aligns with my own opinion about bible narrative.
The irony...
I sincerely appreciate Prof. Wright’s perspective on leadership’s storytelling to get people to unite. People do that. That was my own conclusion recently. When someone who is not your real leader and doesn’t even like you starts telling tales, that’s often just an invasion.
😂LOL
@@gardeniabee Compare the leadership of either Party to Ron Paul. The former want you to prevent change. Ron Paul wants fundamental change, like repealing the Legal Tender Law and the system arising from it.
That is very astute of you. It happens even at the family level-taking leadership, rewriting the narrative.
The Ancient Israelites wrote the Tanak in order to give themselves a Cultural identity, just as all the other Nations around them had a Historical narrative from which they formed their Cultural identity. Egypt for example, had a very rich Cultural identity and had texts such as "The Pyramid Texts", "The Egyptian Book of the Dead", the "42 Laws of Maat Under Kemet Law", "The Book of the Opening of the Mouth" (a liturgy of Funerary Offerings), "The Burden of Isis" (Love Hymns to Isis), "The Story of the Book of Thoth", "The Wisdom of Hermes Trismegistus", just to name a few. So Israel needed something like this as well.
Finding the truth creates a solid foundation for future scholarship efforts on the biblical texts. I’m excited about this book & what it will inspire and the revelations that will be discovered by using it. ✌️💕🤘
Hope you enjoy it!
@@MythVisionPodcast thank you
This is a spectacular interview, and thank you, Derek, for conducting it without Super Chat! Scholars of this magnitude deserve that. Dr. Wright’s commitment to getting the best answers possible without concern for dominant paradigms is evident and deeply appreciated. This approach is the breath of fresh air that someone coming from a background, however long ago, of religious dictates immediately senses and craves. Thanks to you both. Looking forward to reading the book.
Very insightful and surgical in his analysis. I am getting a copy now without hesitation. Keep-up the good work Dr Wright and stay strong always Derek!!!
Please bring back Dr. Jacob L. Wright, this was so excellent.
My copy is arriving in Scotland tomorrow! Between this and books like “God: An Anatomy”, my deconversion from evangelicalism must really be messing with online algorithms 😂.
I still have these moments of wanting to both laugh and cry at the same time, when my brain sees the reality behind what I’d followed for decades as mystical truth that others couldn’t see. These texts as a way of dealing with economic/ military/ political defeat actually become more beautiful to me: I can put myself in that position. And it seriously helps me to hand them back to these contexts, thank the writers for the good stuff - we got great paintings & music from Bach, Handel, Palestrina etc and cool buildings that I love. They were gifted writers of poetry & story, and did the best they could in times of catastrophe: which Professor Wright helpfully points that we are in today on a cliff edge. With all the benefits we have, let’s together do better than this. I think this book will help me to do better in this world, and inwardly let some things go
How long were you an evangelical and when did you deconvert?
@@icypirate11 30 years a born again, began questioning during lockdown (2020-21). Rock solid belief & personal relationship, learned Hebrew & Greek to read the original, latterly held leadership role & discipled new believers. But before I was open to biblical academic research during pandemic (and i began watching Mythvision through my fingers lol), I had major cognitive dissonance from how other senior leading Christians & Pastors acted - it simply didn’t add up, and way too much narcissism & abuse. There’s only so much “original sin” theological handwaving the church can do.
Finding out God had had a wife & kids was the major shift: he’d told me all along he was a single father! 😉 So to the couple of confidents I have I tongue-in-cheek thank Asherah, and the tonnes of archeology that attest to the actual history.
I though this scholar’s work was beautiful
Terrific interview, what a refreshing scholar. Yes please have Dr. Wright back. I would love a joint convo between Russell Gmirkin (nice reference to his work, Derek), Dr. Wright, and Dr. Walsh for starters. Would also love to learn more about Elephantine.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I suggest getting Karel van der Toorn on to discuss Elphantine. He's one of the leading scholars in that area.
I love the way Derek takes a genuine interest in his guest and what they bring to the table. Mythvision has been a real help to me. Thanks ❤
This argument makes more sense than anything else I've ever heard. I can't wait to buy and read the book. I feel like a lot of questions I've always had have been answered. Thank you Dr. Wright.
Thank you!
Loved this episode. Fascinating topic and Dr. Wright is so level-headed and clear in his descriptions. One quick unrelated note: the word disparate is pronounced almost exactly the same as desperate, just replace " des" with "dis," the rest is exactly the same.
I recognised the very obvious exile-and-return pattern in the Hebrew Scriptures when I was a teenager. It’s every single story of the first 11 chapters of Genesis. I was so proud of myself for figuring that out, though!
I remember as a *kid* listening to all the stories in Genesis and getting the feeling that something was fishy because of how same motifs and patterns kept repeating.
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@@ring-tone278the narrative is that he was a human being by his mother. Human sacrifice to any deity freely given or forced is an abomination to the father of Jesus you think requires it. Simple truth even children grasp.
When you have to post 3 comments trying to scare people, you know your side is losing. @@ring-tone278
@debrapaulino918
Adam wasn't deceived. The ground did produce thorns and thistles because Jesus worn the crown of thorns and thistles. God told Adam the prophecy of the resurrection. Genesis 3:15
The Sacrifice of Jesus was the first part of the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will bruise him in the heel.” Satan the Dragon and the Wild Beast the 6th Kingdom executed Jesus on their image the cross. It was the Roman Empire of Italy that is also the shape of the heel. So the first part of the prophecy is complete . Satan bruised Jesus in the heel.
All religions have started out as oral stories. Then they were progressively built up by other different types of people that had a certain agenda. Then they were specifically interwoven into their final storyline forms. By incorporating other emotionally manipulative myths, legends, beliefs. By the higher educated religious, and political leaderships for the purpose of engineering their societies. By using peoples emotions against them.
A fantastic discussion. This scholar came to the same conclusion I did. Unbelievable
I need to wake at 4:30am, and stayed awake till 1am watching. Truly fascinating! Hope to see more
More to come!
This has to be one of Derek's most fascinating interviews - and there are many to chose from. Also, I really get a kick of Derek presenting and commenting on scholarly topics with the energy and enthusiasm of a sports commentator - cracks me up every time! Keep up the good work.
Me, too...
Yeah, you really can't beat Derek on the enthusiasm front. 🙂
That's a great observation, so acurate.
I'm a "lapsed Jew" and this was fascinating. It helped to explain or at least discuss a lot about the translations of these books which is helpful. I'm a neopagan now, but went through a lot of religions in my 65 yrs and this just confirms I've been right -- the current crop of evangelicals are very dangerous & have a LOT to learn. Too much ignorance -- No religious home-schooling!!
Thank you for your comment
@@MythVisionPodcast - Here is The True Savior
YaH The Heavenly FATHER (Genesis 1) HIMSELF was Who they Crucified/Pierced for our sins and “HERE IS THE PROOF”
From the Ancient Semitic:
"Yad He Vav He" is what Moshe (Moses) wrote, when Moses asked YaH His Name (Exodus 3)
Ancient Semitic Direct Translation
Yad - "Behold The Hand"
He - "Behold the Breath"
Vav - "Behold The NAIL"
In Modern English!
Praise Jah not Praise Yah
Hallelujah not Halleluyah
Revelation 19:1
Revelation 19:3
Revelation 19:4
Revelation 19:6
Bible Hub for Bible Translations to compare!
A Revelation to John
19 After this I heard what seemed to be a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: “Praise Jah!*
Footnotes
*Or “Hallelujah!” “Jah” is a shortened form of the name Jehovah.
@@strappedfatman7858
The letter “J” does not exist in Hebrew, never has. His Holy Name is YaH
Isa Scroll (The Original Isaiah)
Isaiah 42:8
"I am YaH; that is my Name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.
Isaiah 43:11
I, I am YAH, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Isaiah 45:5
I am YaH, and there is none else.
@@Praise___YaH
Yes , I know. This is why I was referring to Revelation 19:1 Praise Jah!
Why is hallelujah spelled two different ways? ''Hallelujah'' is derived from the Hebrew spelling of the word while ''alleluia'' is the Latin transliteration of the Greek transliteration of ''hallelujah.
Thanks!
You bet! Thank you!
To say this subject was due is a huge understatement. For so, so many years, I have been told "it's the word of God". Since I haven't believed in the Christian god for a few decades now, nor any other religion's god either, this subject is due for discussion. Thank you.
I am always very weary of opinions. If God, your Creator, The Creator, is not where the intel came from, then how can you be sure? I found God to be The Best Guide and Teacher. It appears that God understands a person better than other people will and thus knows what lessons are good for a person for where and how they are at any given time in their lives.
Let me know if it was God who told you that those were The Word of God or if they are not. Otherwise, it's just speculation on your part, either way.
@barrywassel3899, totally agree. The first reply is from someone who let the bots out apparently 😂
@@J-hz4jb I'm weary of your opinion, and this is the first time I've encountered it.
I spend most of my life with the Jehovah Witness after these years the true light started to shining thank you. I order this book to reed from tomorrow
Please let us know what you think!
Dr Jacob Wight is the most accomplished scholar on Judaism and Christianity. He is a blessing for TRUTH seekers. Amen.
Yes. His words are THE TRUTH! All other scholars who disagree with him are liars and fools. That’s not TRUTH! THIS is THE TRUTH!!!
Thanks for making the works of these terrific scholars so accessible. I am now happily Yahweh-Free, due in great part to their diligent work.
Congratulations! 🎉🤝🏼
You don't know what Yhwh is son. These people have mistranslated the texts just like religious people have. It's absurd.
In the beginning was the Word. YHWH was the Word. Christians and Satanists alike worship the big bang, the output to Yhwhs input.
Yhwh is the sinusoidal input signal to the big bangs square wave, pulsating digital output signal. The ancient texts literally declare this.
Me too!
All my life my self been believing in the god of the Bible and Jesus now little by little I been questioning everything ! So I feel like I’m in a process of detoxing from all that teaching everything is new to me !
When one reads the Bible as if it is a serialized novel constructed by various editors, it is a bit like binge watching Once Upon a Time. It is very very entertaining, dramatic, full of violence, struggle, love and victory.
And sex
@@Sharon-v3f5sU wouldn't be here without it. Go figure!
Meh if you think the Bible is in any way fascinating or compelling .....well I'm guessing you haven't read much. The Bible was so all over the place and contradicts and disjointed.....not sure how you could compare it too Once Upon a Time 🙄🤣
Sooooo much of it is boring or badly written. There's some beautiful verses too but it's NOT some awesomely written page turner
@@6Haunted-Days I found The New Testament to be very well written and I can't find any contradictions or disjointed information. Isaiah 53 predicted the events from The New Testament over 600 years prior the those events.
@@J-hz4jbyou’re intellectually dishonest at best, and mentally incompetent at worst.
Yes! The truth as set me free! Free from the religious lies.
This is awesome guys. Makes sense and actually makes The Bible more intersting. Thankyou
No discussion on this topic is interesting if it omits the central theme. None of these people are humans. Zeus is a planet just like Mars and Chronos. Why are we arguing if Bible history is accurate?
@@ZahiHawass69 Go away. Nobody here is interested in an alternate brand of superstition.
@DerekLambert, you've done it again! Superb guest and well led interview. I just ordered my copy of Why The Bible Begun. Professor Wright, I look forward to reading your arguments. Thank you for being a dissenting voice in the mainly conservative field of bible studies.
I will absolutely buy this book. At least 2 copies. Thanks professor Wright, you are awesome.
You rock!
Cool 😎. Former Catholic Priest Alan Watts said such claimes when I listened to him on the radio in the nineteen sixties in his lectures - On Being God. And - What is Reality? And - They Made it All Up!
Thought Watts’ Christian scholarship was Episcopalian?
Thanks.😊@@jahbloomie
@@James-wv3hx By the way, familiar with Neville Goddard? Thou. Art. God. Things did another 180 in my life after listening to him.
Correct except he was not a Catholic priest he was a minister or if you priest in The Church of England or as know as The Anglican Church.
@@edwardhayes6113 Episcopalian
I’m at 19’50”, and the point about the Hebrew Bible being “a survival manual for a community that no longer has a kingdom” reminds me of how the trauma of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE led to both the development both of rabbinic tradition (including the Mishnah and ultimately the Talmud), and the development of the New Testament texts (esp the gospels) among proto-Christian groups. The same pattern of creating texts to survive after traumatic disruption to your community
It would be enlightening to explore other examples of this, which would point to how much more common it has been historically than one might think.
I'm not a scholar but I can't think of another people/country who wrote books about their history & religion after trauma.... but what is being postulated here makes total sense!
Yeah, I have to say this whole idea makes more plain simple sense than almost anything else I've heard about the origins of these materials.
Perhaps the Lost Cause Narrative of the US south could be studied in this light?
@@louhortonsculpture The US south was an interesting business. I've always been kind of the opinion that the South was probably right "legally" - I can't see anything in the Constitution that said a state couldn't opt out of the country. States rights, etc. - I think they had a point. But practically speaking I suspect that if the North had "let them go" the further unfolding of history wouldn't have gone nearly as well, and on top of that the South was entirely in the wrong morally on the core causal issue. Ultimately the North didn't need to approach it something they were legally entitled to do - the war could be regarded as one nation invading another to put a stop to institutionalized human rights violations.
Anyway, I'm certainly no lawyer, so... probably just shouldn't open my mouth. That's the way it's always seemed to me, though. Practically speaking, I think we needed to remain one nation in order to meet the coming future as successfully as we managed. And slavery needed to be brought to an end.
When I learned that the Exodus story of millions of Hebrew slaves was more likely a work of fiction I wondered if its purpose then was to be an origination story for a people, to give them a sense of identity and a space to belong in the world. Dr. Wright's research and insights profoundly delve right into that, levels deep. Thank you!
Revelation 15:3
Using the prophetic year of the Bible. Adam was created 4026 bce. 4026 bce + 6000 is 1974. But to enter into Jehovah's rest. Is 60 years. Jehovah said they would die in the wilderness from age 20 and up. So 40 years plus 20 is 60 years. 1974 plus 60 years is 2034 also. Jehovah then said to Moses and Aaron: 27 “How much longer will this evil assembly keep up this murmuring against me? I have heard what the Israelites are murmuring against me. 28 Say to them, ‘“As surely as I live,” declares Jehovah, “I will do to you just what I have heard you speak! 29 In this wilderness your corpses will fall, yes, the whole number of you from 20 years old and up who were registered, all of you who have murmured against me.
Hebrews 3:9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’”
Hebrews 4:2 For we who have exercised faith do enter into the rest, just as he has said: “So I swore in my anger, ‘They will not enter into my rest,’” although his works were finished from the founding of the world. 4 For in one place he has said of the seventh day as follows: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works,” 5 and here again he says: “They will not enter into my rest.” 6 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter into it, and those to whom the good news was first declared did not enter in because of disobedience, 7 he again marks off a certain day by saying long afterward in David’s psalm, “Today”; just as it has been said above, “Today if you listen to his voice, do not harden your hearts.” 8 For if Joshua had led them into a place of rest, God would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 So there remains a sabbath-rest for the people of God. 10 For the man who has entered into God’s rest has also rested from his own works, just as God did from his own. 11 Let us therefore do our utmost to enter into that rest, so that no one may fall into the same pattern of disobedience.
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold on to our public declaration of him.
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Exodus is documented in Ugarit... more like Joshua is documented...
Great show. Added alot to my research on the origins of the bible.
Please bring Dr Wright back soon. He is a very succinct and pleasant to listen to.
Good discussion. Thanks Derek and Jacob!
I will not stop commenting until you read the book "The invention of the Jewish People" by jewish historian Schlomo Sand. It would be super cool if you could have him on the show. Dr Jacob L Wright is brilliant by the way. Thanks for inviting him
Agree--GREAT book!!!
Sand's theories are debunked by DNA studies though. Lots of scholars consider him fringe. Let's stick with reputable people.
I agree re Shlomo.....but I've only watched his presentations and online interviews. Such a sincere and self effacing scholar who makes those bullies and zealots run away
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Your welcome.
Therefore the phrase. " Goforth and pound Sand 😅.
I should have looked in the Transcripts first…but I wanted to express my appreciation, not only for the gutsy brilliance of Dr Wright but also for the well informed enthusiasm of the interviewer! Their commitment to pushing the current envelope in pursuit of truth (rare in the greater arena these days but, gratefully, on the rise) was tremendously engaging and, yes, enlightening. Thank you, both.
Top tier. As soon as I have any disposable income this will be on the top of my list of purchases.
That was just so excellent. Thank you Dr. Jacob Wright for coming on Myrh Vision! Your knowledge and your expertise were delivered in such an interesting and engaging way! It would be a pleasure to see you on myth vision again soon!
This is fascinating stuff. I'm going to get this book. Dr. Wright is a great speaker too. I could listen to him all day. I have for years suspected that the gospels were all about politics and power and now Dr. Wright has enlightened us with the specifics and given real gravitas to my personal suspicions.
I really love the fact that Dr. Wright is a critical thinker and talks about people getting offended when they shouldn't.
Exactly . This is one of the best interviews . Thanks Dr. Wright
Oh man I need this presented as an overall timeline with charts and graphs.
Great idea.
A roadmap for survival for a region in crisis. That's the most honest description I've heard so far.
This is great! It would be awesome if we have one on the Quran
How it was invented as an offshoot of the bible, the controversy around the different versions of the Quran, the famous uthmanic burning of the Quran, etc.
Love your stuff Derek!
With my limited knowledge, the Quran follows the same pattern. A group of people wanted power. God conveniently chose them and promised power. The OT and NT were RetConed to suit that narrative. Same thing with Mormon etc.
Easiest way to convince someone to follow the rules and commit atrocities against other human beings is to tell them it’s gods idea and he’s always watching.
But yes, a deep dive into the specifics would be interesting!
Check out Jay Smith and the Pfander Institute.
Please read Tom Holland book; in the shadow of sword. It is all about Mohammad, Islam and Quran.
There's a RUclips channel called "Exploring the Quran and the Bible" run by professor Gabriel Said Reynolds. He interviews a lot of scholars about these sorts of things.
@@Anthropomorphic I love his channel!
It would be awesome to have a documentary with good graphics though. For the average viewer
I did get a copy of this book and am about halfway thru. Fascinating book. Fascinating author. Fascinating discussion. For those wishing to understand the Bible in a non dogmatic, religious view, in other words, as it really should be understood, this conversation, and this book is so very helpful. Thank you so much Dr. Wright and Derek.
To your comments, Dr. Wright @54:20 ..... Scholars invest such a huge part of their lives investing in their theories, that it is not really surprising that they get angry when someone comes along with an equally believable theory, or even better theory, than theirs. Sadly, it's human nature. Don't sweat it, I am quite enjoying yours !
I bought this book based on Derrick's recommendation list and am glad I did. It's very well written and easy to read and follow while he take the reader through some complexities of the text. I'm taking my time through it so that I can follow-up with some of the archeological studies (El Amarna letters, Elephantine Texts, Merneptah Stele et al) while also reading through several of the biblical texts he uses to demonstrate his argument. He makes a good case for Defeat being the reason that brought these texts together and for edits to be made. This is well worth reading and helps put new and more clear goggles on for viewing the Hebrew Bible.
It's also fun to watch Wright be a little bit perplexed at some of Derek's reactions, knowing that some of what Wright says is in direct contradiction to a lot of fundamentalism and Evangelical beliefs. But, you can tell that Wright is nowhere near as familiar with Evangelicalism as Derek and many of us are and so his off the cuff comments are to us absolute mic drop moments. Love it.
UPDATE 11/23/2024
I just finished this book tonight. Took nearly 3 months but it was worth it. Please have him back to keep discussing this topic. This interview ends with a banger discussing Elephantine and how this provides additional evidence to scribes writing a mythic past to shape the present and future of the community. I want to know how intentional this was: Was it done with deliberate conscious forethought or was it all subconsciously unintentional to create a survival manual for a people without a kingdom living in the shadows of larger empires? By the time of Jesus, they all took this as literal history (as far as I can tell) and must have been successfully psyop'ed according to Wright's thesis. To what extent was this project successful or unsuccessful, both back then and even now? I really enjoyed the book and had to take my time through it to ponder it and read additional source materials it refers to while also re-reading some of the Biblical texts.
It would also be great to have him on debating Ken Ham (only partially joking). Or, any other serious scholar who can ask scholarly questions perhaps from a different viewpoint., maybe Josh Bowen or Kipp Davis since you've had them on before.
And I agree that the absence of Torah and Moses in the Elephantine documents is highly unlikely. When Jesus spoke, he often referred to Moses and the Prophets. When the Church Fathers wrote, they never wasted an opportunity to quote scripture. Why would a people of the book not quote the book unless, of course, the book didn't yet exist. Wright does an excellent job in his book of demonstrating this.
Great interview. I've missed this type of content lately.
More to come!
Good discussion, thank you. Reading Prof. Wright’s book now. Really challenging and eye-opening for this JEPD Baden-Friedman fan. Looking forward to more.
💖💓💗Fabulous conversation! Thank you, Derek and Dr. Wright!
Any time!
This is an amazing interview. The historical analysis explored here has similarities to the evolution of the New Testament Gospels and how the theological concepts expressed in them changed in the ones written later conmpared to the earliest one.
Wow wow...this is an excellent episode... thanks Derek 🙏🙏🙏🙏 and Dr. Wright... you are one of these very few people who are willing to open the gate instead of keeping it closed... and your kind of intellectual is what propels humanity forward... kudos... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖🖖
I love you for this comment! ❤️
Love this topic and the enthusiasm of the host is epic!
I keep looking for the “final nail in the coffin” regarding the fallacy of religion, but listening to this show gives me hope. The responses of both Derek and Dr. Wright were concise, scholarly, and fluid. They captivated me.
The temporary things of this world can sometimes be captivating. But if you try on the eternal things of the universe, you may actually start to understand how much more captivating is the Truth.
I would love to listen to an audio version of this book.
Dr. Wright, your book arrives Friday. I’ll read it immediately. I hope you come back and dive deeply into scholarly arguments, theories, evidence, etc
Wow!!!!!!!!!!! I was shall we say 'introduced' to Catholicism when my family arrived in Australia in 1956. My mother was a nominal catholic, my father a Lutheran. Till our ship crossed the Suez Canal in June 1956 luckily I had not once heard any mythology regarding the so-called bible. Unfortunately, my cousins who had arrived before us went to Catholic schools and I was brought up a so-called Catholic. I rejected it when I turned 14 and have spent my last 59 years comfortable with my rational objection. I do, however, correspond with one of my teachers, an eighty year old priest who is a biblical scholar and has had 50 or so books published. He is a wonderful human being and I totally respect him. However, I cannot come to terms with his acceptance of the validity, even the existence, of a man some beings called Christ, and I sometimes forward programs like this to him. He knows Bart Ehrman, and, of course disagrees with him. All I can say for sure is that I love this program, and this program with Herr Wright has been one of the best episodes of my life as a human being attempting to come to terms with why the Western world is so fucked and focused on nothing but war.
I stopped believing that the people who committed great atrocities could bring God or a tell me the truth about holyness.. we are waking up
Wow. This was great. Excellent guest and great job guiding the conversation.
Thanks for listening
I feel like people NOT understanding how a body of media/texts about characters can grow in this snowball way haven't interacted heavily with franchises, fandom and fan fiction. Like Star Wars is not quite 50 years old. It draws on ancient themes but those characters have already changes to 'canon' and various arguable retcons in the time of a generation or two of real life time.but the creators do try to unify and develop a unified version where they can. Transformers is about 40 years old now and has many separate continuities featuring the same characters. Some creators do try to create a unified canon but in the same time many others are not. And that's just official licensed works! That's before all the fan-created works. And this happens with many characters and stories.
As a manga reader, I agree with this. Dragon Ball is starting to mess with "canon". But because I'm also very familiar with fan translations of manga I can see why both the Documentary Hypothesis and Wright's view both hold merit.
Hello, I have listened to your interview and it makes sense. My major question is, how did we get 7 or 8 blood types and 7 or 8 major races from 2 people ( Adam and Eve). Or 8 people ( Noah and his wife, his 3 sons and their wives). The only thing that I've read that makes sense is the annunaki. Help me out here. Please
Bravo! Very impressed. Picked up a copy during this viewing.
I love this conversation, but I hate how every time I watch a video on this channel I have to buy a new book.
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What a great and compelling video, thank you so much for sharing this information. I have ordered this book and can't wait to dive in!
Can Dr Wright do an audiobook version? I never read books anymore but would LOVE hearing his voice reading the book. Or done as a video would be better. He was one of the most informative and coolest guests on this show.
Buying the book now. What a great interview! I’d love to hear him discuss any topic he has thoughts on. I wish this information wasn’t so threatening to people (believers)-I find it SO helpful!
Oh yes! This makes so very much sense. Thank you!
So glad!
Good discussion. After 30 years of life as a semi-devout Christian, I ripped myself up by the roots, took a deep dive into research and reached a similar conclusion by around 2007-2008. This process is extremely traumatic and difficult to say the least... some people literally might not survive it. Even though I had concluded the same answers proposed here, I ordered the book to get a clearer understanding of why things were done this way which has led most of the world to this point.
Since that time, I have had an astonishing adjustment in my world view. If the average person is at ground level, the information presented in this book may take someone to, say the 1,000 foot view... in the past 15 years or so, I've gone past this to a 10,000 foot view relative to where I began.
He is spot-on with the concept of supposedly not trying something new but instead returning to a past state, by those who advocate for a united monarchy. Martin Luther used the same ploy, claiming that his reforms were not at all radical but rather a return to the Roman Catholicism of a millennium before.
Years and years ago, I read or heard from someone that for many years, the ancient Israelites had only stories told over campfires of past events, that lasted maybe over ages. And the original stories started with Abraham. Anything before that was irrelevant to a people on the move and trying to keep some semblance of order. The stories were passed down verbally (or probably in some type of song, etc) from generation to generation. Finally when the two kingdoms were conquered and subjugated by ‘whoever’ and many sent into exile in Babylon (or wherever), the children being born into these different cultures began asking questions about what happened before Abraham. And they started adapting Babylonian (or whatever) culture.
So, those in charge decided it was time to write down the stories that had been told by centuries over campfires (and changed slightly in each retelling), AND!!! Add in stories from the other cultures but reordered and/or rewritten (or retold) from a Israelite/Jewish religious perspective. The hope was to keep a separate culture and history so that future generations had something to counter what they were hearing from other cultures.
So, the ‘Bible’ started to be written down during the Babylonian captivities and the world origin stories were added at this time but changed from the Babylonian, Sumarian, Assyrian, whatever myths to match what happens later.
I heard this possibility maybe 40-50 years ago.
Great interview! I saw Dr. Wright on Data over Dogma podcast! Enjoyed both podcasts! Just got his book! 💙
I think we are getting closer and closer to the truth about religion and why people need to be careful believing in any religion. Thanks MythVision for this ongoing mission to basically saving humanity from insanity with interviewing authors and researchers like Dr Jacob Wright for us. Keep up the good work.
Derek! Fantastic interview. I've got so many questions for Dr. Wright. Specifically regarding the Adam/Eve cycle and YHWH theology post exile.
Shocking evidence? What evidence? It could be a plausible narrative, but it's not an evidence.
Definitely need to read the book as he goes into detail about a lot of evidence from the Merneptah stele, to the Amarna letters, to the Elephantine texts, to discussions on Genesis 26, Genesis 1 and 2, Exodus 1, 2 and 3, all of Ezra and Nehemiah, Haggai and many others. It's definitely well worth the read and even if you happen to disagree with it at the end, it still really gets you thinking.
Thank you for inviting Dr. Jacob L. Wright to your podcast
I’m a Hebrew Israelite and I’ve been rocking with my vision for so long good job Derrick
We are all beings of light having an earthly experience. Hebrew Israelite-ism is a program of the matrix like all other religions 😊 ❤
Absolutely one of the best and I will reach out. So happy to see this.
That was an amazing interview with Dr. Wright, Derek! What he's saying is explosive and I hope to see more of him and hear more of what he has to say on the MVP.
I was bound, captivated, throughout the whole presentation. I had thought of the documentary hypothesis and was about to make a comment about it when the explanation came as a natural part of the conversation. Yes. I can't wait for more -- to "get into the weeds." Thanks
Please DO bring him back to talk about Elephantine in depth.
I was literally just hypothesizing along these lines a few nights ago, with far less academic basis than Dr Wright. Great discussion, I will be ordering the book and look forward to seeing the good doctor on the show again!
Last night (in Europe), as I watched the video, I had a weird feeling; that I have heard a story - a mythology based on a defeat induced trauma, very, very similar to this - before. When I woke up, I knew exactly what story it was, and the irony is as sinister as it is black:
Without futher deliberation, I can come up with five clear similarities (I have to dig into the subject again, as I think there are many more):
Heinrich Himmlers "Ahnenerbe" (ancestral heritage) project, which was a core part of the thought-dna behind the pretext for "die Endlösung", was:
1) Spawned by the trauma of Germany loosing WW I.
2) Himmlers mythology had the ancient King Heinrich I in the role of King David.
3) The goal was not to restore the lost Kingdom itself, but to use the myth surrounding it as a rally point, from which a new (political/religious: same, same, when it gets fanatical) common identity could be forged.
4) It was centered around a figure of absolute, distant (Hitler´s private life was kept a secret exactly to create that effect) authority - Führer as a substitute to a classic deity.
5) Those who opposed (in reality or were claimed to do so) were regarded as subhumans ("enemies of God" is the term in Iran presently) to be delt with accordingly.
So, you know that you could've come up with so many other similar examples throughout history, but instead you chose to equate Judaism with Nazism?? Am I understanding this correctly?
@@bpcj4891 you are welcome to come up with similar examples your self and will be interesting. But I should find it hard myself. National sociale foundations let by ideals, but only for the pure by blood. Destinys chosen flock or herd.
@@svendhansen5427 Jews don't go by "pure blood" though so you're wrong. Also, my comment wasn't toward you, so I'm not sure why you're responding as if I was speaking to you.
@@bpcj4891 nobody is pure by blood, I admit. In Juwish literal tradition a line of ancestry seems important.
@@bpcj4891: I could have searched for other parallels, but at the end of the day that would have been letting the Nazis stand as the end of history, as those so special that they cannot be analysed on normal terms. They don´t deserve that, frankly - really nobody does.
I think it is universally human wanting to find some kind of explaination to one´s defeat, regardless if as a group or as an individual. The parallel is so effective in that respect, because it goes to show that the Nazis did exactly what they themselves blaimed the Jews for; assuming to be so special, that everybody else would deliberately conspire against them (the Nazis viewed themselves as the true Germans, who´s "place in the sun" ("Platz an der Sonne" - Kaiser Wilhelm II) was "robbed" during WWI). Therefore their hate for the Jews was in ways based on seing the Jews as usurpers to the throne of exceptionality, they (the Nazis) wanted to reserve for themselves - a zero-sum game.
The claim to being exceptional is normally either connected to a narrative of victimhood or one of grandeur (in the sense of being chosen - Hitler viewed himself as just that, and as his surroundings confirmed that notion on a daily basis, he became more and more convinced), and not so rarely of being both simultaneously, which is a major driving mechanism behind conspiracy theories (hence why the Nazis in many ways regarded the Jews as sub- and superhuman at the same time).
Conspiracy theories serve two main purposes - probably both in the nature of reassurance to comfort a battered self-image:
1)To reassure the believers that they are indeed special ("At the core of every sect one will find the wish for belonging to an elite!", Max Weber - translation and phrasing is according to my recollection, so it might be unorthodox, but the essense is acurate).
2) To reassure the believers that there is an absolute purpose in life, and hence "things happen for a reason", instead of the chilling notion, that bad luck is probably more down to a combination of sheer, bloody chance and one´s own ineptness.
So no, I am not out to get Judaism anymore than any other -ism. I don´t care much for any of them, as they all tend to freeze into dogmatism as soon as they are born. That due to the fact, that they are depending on the relative level of knowledge in the era in which they, respectively, were spawned, why their followers will always incline towards levels of obscurantism in order to maintain the philosophy upon which their self-image rests.