One thing about Billy Murray... he was a master at understanding the acoustics of pre-electric recording. Even now, you can easily understand every word he sings. He didn't bellow like other contemporary singers, and his singing was not full of false airs or inflections. He sang to audiences of people that he understood were just like him - including WWI troops - and he was great at it.
@@litlgrey after some research I’ve found that it had something to do with the style of music. Acoustic recordings couldn’t handle softer tones so the music had to be louder. electrical recordings allowed for the softer musical to return. A style of which Billy Murray couldn’t quite get a hold of.
Didn't know that Popeye was so popular even when he was just a supporting character (that in case the song referred to him. Popeye debuted in January 1929. Edison closed shop a few months later).
Thanks for helping date this pretty precisely. I don't know the technology history as well as others who have posted, but could tell right off that the music was late 1920's/early 1930's jazz - kind of late for a cylinder. Also, wikipedia says Max Fleischer introduced the (much catchier) Popeye theme song we all know in the first Popeye cartoon. Agree with all the comments saluting Billy Murray.
This is a 1931 song dubbed from a 78 RPM record. The last new Edison cylinders were issued in July 6, 1929 and the existing stock of Edison cylinders was manufactured until October of 1929 as far as I know. Maybe some 1930 recordings were issued in limited numbers, but it seems unlikely due to the fact that Edison documentation is very accurate.
Yes the Recording is from 1931! But As of late, There is a AWESOME Man from Germany Making these Records! AND They SOUND AWESOME! He IS SELLING THEM! And I want some! Including this one!!! Look up "Phoby Jane" by the AWESOME Sophie Tucker, It`s a Reissue! BEAUTIFULLY Done!
never heard these before...ragtime videos led me to this...knew what edison cylinders were, but never really heard 'em...this is some cool stuff...love to have one of these beautiful machines in working order...a relic of different and BETTER time in America!
Dubbed from a May 8, 1931 "alternate take" by the Varsity Eight (Ed Kirkeby's "Califronia Ramblers")- originally recorded for ARC's Banner, Perfect and Oriole labels.
This sounds like a new cylinder recording. I believe cylinders stopped being made 1928 / 29 and Edison held out longest though I have to say the reproduction is extremely good.
You are Correct! There is a Company that is Reproducing these using AWESOME Records like this one This is By Al Dollar and His Ten Cent Band! Recorded in 1931, on a 78 RPM Disc! But I WOULD KILL TO HAVE THIS AWESOME CYLINDER RECORD! I Have several Mint condition Cylinders Blue Amberol Cylinders at that! AND THEY SOUND Just this Great! The Later Electrically Recorded ones were the best! One of My Favorite Early ones is "Hesitation Blues" By Al Bernard!
Edison's was the last company in the U.S. to release cylinder recordings, through October 1929. When he decided to stop issuing "flat" records (including some late electrical releases), he also ended production of cylinders. His company concentrated on dictating machines, blank cylinders for use on them, and shavers so that the cylinders could be used again.
GOD! I CAN`T GET OVER THE BEAT AND RHYTHM OF THIS RECORD! Can You still Buy this Record? And Where? I Have heard that they are remaking Cylinders using AWESOME Songs like this today!!!
Oh, I see from the comments that it is likely not from the Edison company, so it wouldn't be using their trademarked Blue Amberol composition, even if it is blue in color.
If you believe it does it might as well, old boxer John L. Sullivan used to rub rock salt and other stuff on his face and hands to get the fat off. Sure it mightve never done anything but it gave him confidence thinking he had some form of edge, making him fight differently.
something I've learned from years on RUclips, never mention the amount of dislikes, my guess is seeing a comment that says "the video only has such and such dislikes" makes people think "lol I'm going to dislike now to make that person wrong"
beautiful. all the children that heard this song over the years from this marvelous contraption & are now not walking the earth no more. The sense of childhood giddiness is just one of the plethora of emotions this tube & needle has brought about & now we get to marvel at it through a little box in our hands folks back then would almost certaintly call a chocolate bar edit: damn typed that high af. sorry for all the big thinks.
Do you still make custom cylinders, would you be interested in a commission? Got a rendition of brother can you spare a dime and would like to give it as a birthday gift to a friend I’m seeing in December
Yeah cause this is 1880s tech this was the amberola invented crocs 1910 and was the highest fidelity of acoustic recordings before the Edison diamond disc. This may have also been electrically made so there were many improvements
Billy Murray might be back in vogue, considering 60+ years of people listening to wretched rock... Years ago older collectors, in talking about a garage full of old records, referred to about 50% of Billy Murray's, maybe 25% of decent Jazz records. By Billy Murray's they meant everything old pre-jazz, that they considered a waste of space and not worth listening to, and believe me, that included a lot of Paul Whiteman's and other bands of the early twenties. Paul Kearney, rest his soul, would only refer to Whiteman as the fat POS. Probably because of him making great jazz players play strictly from arrangements..borrring. Well, just don't play your damn fine condition early Jazz records on a victrola, but if you must, change the needle every time and never, ever turn a needle. That's why you find old records that look like they were roller skating on. Poor people didn't buy new needles. Look at a needle, after one playing on a victrola, under an 8x loop. It looks like a little knife blade. Imagine turning that sideways on the grooves of a record... Don't.
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One thing about Billy Murray... he was a master at understanding the acoustics of pre-electric recording. Even now, you can easily understand every word he sings. He didn't bellow like other contemporary singers, and his singing was not full of false airs or inflections. He sang to audiences of people that he understood were just like him - including WWI troops - and he was great at it.
Before amplification, he was the most popular singer in America.
@@thecw301 You're quite right! In fact, electrical recording rather killed his singing career.
@@litlgrey I don’t doubt that. But why? Early electrical recordings didn’t sound much better than acoustic recordings.
@@diabetesben That's a more than fair question.
@@litlgrey after some research I’ve found that it had something to do with the style of music. Acoustic recordings couldn’t handle softer tones so the music had to be louder. electrical recordings allowed for the softer musical to return. A style of which Billy Murray couldn’t quite get a hold of.
Didn't know that Popeye was so popular even when he was just a supporting character (that in case the song referred to him. Popeye debuted in January 1929. Edison closed shop a few months later).
Thanks for helping date this pretty precisely. I don't know the technology history as well as others who have posted, but could tell right off that the music was late 1920's/early 1930's jazz - kind of late for a cylinder. Also, wikipedia says Max Fleischer introduced the (much catchier) Popeye theme song we all know in the first Popeye cartoon. Agree with all the comments saluting Billy Murray.
@@robertreynolds7135 this is a modern reproduction cylinder of a song that was originally made on a normal 78 record in 1931
@@robertreynolds7135 or maybe it's a old reproduction i don't know, but the song wasn't originally made for cylinder is what I'm saying
This is a 1931 song dubbed from a 78 RPM record. The last new Edison cylinders were issued in July 6, 1929 and the existing stock of Edison cylinders was manufactured until October of 1929 as far as I know. Maybe some 1930 recordings were issued in limited numbers, but it seems unlikely due to the fact that Edison documentation is very accurate.
This is a great song and great record player
Glad we can still get cylinders for them
I LOVE THIS! Al Dollar and His Ten Cent (Band! I Believe It`s Actually Cab Calloway`s Orchestra!! ) Dance Orchestra Billy Murray Vocal! 1931!!!
I believe this is a modern cylinder made from a 1930's recording recently!
It is! The Record is From 1931 on Victor Records I believe! By Al Dollar`s Ten Cents A Dance Orchestra! Or Al Dollar`s Ten Cent Band!
I was wrong! It is Recorded from a Flexo or a FILMOPHONE Record!
Well I dont think thats recently.
Yes the Recording is from 1931! But As of late, There is a AWESOME Man from Germany Making these Records! AND They SOUND AWESOME! He IS SELLING THEM! And I want some! Including this one!!! Look up "Phoby Jane" by the AWESOME Sophie Tucker, It`s a Reissue! BEAUTIFULLY Done!
Bobby Roy sure will! By the way at first I thought this was the cartoon theme. Realized that wax recordings came way before. Hah!
Cool gadget of the past as audio tech is still in golden age.
Incredible invention for it's time.
never heard these before...ragtime videos led me to this...knew what edison cylinders were, but never really heard 'em...this is some cool stuff...love to have one of these beautiful machines in working order...a relic of different and BETTER time in America!
Wow! The reproduction is great!
Dubbed from a May 8, 1931 "alternate take" by the Varsity Eight (Ed Kirkeby's "Califronia Ramblers")- originally recorded for ARC's Banner, Perfect and Oriole labels.
This is the Perfect 15473 version
Wish there was a similar means for reproducing 78s.
There is (it’s just more expensive)
Absolutely wonderful
amazed you can make a copy! :) great recording too!
This sounds like a new cylinder recording. I believe cylinders stopped being made 1928 / 29 and Edison held out longest though I have to say the reproduction is extremely good.
Phil Binstead it was most likely a blank that was recorded over. Most original Cylinder records are in pretty bad shape, sadly to say.
New blanks could be made at any time. Judging by the color, this blank was made very recently,
You are Correct! There is a Company that is Reproducing these using AWESOME Records like this one This is By Al Dollar and His Ten Cent Band! Recorded in 1931, on a 78 RPM Disc! But I WOULD KILL TO HAVE THIS AWESOME CYLINDER RECORD! I Have several Mint condition Cylinders Blue Amberol Cylinders at that! AND THEY SOUND Just this Great! The Later Electrically Recorded ones were the best! One of My Favorite Early ones is "Hesitation Blues" By Al Bernard!
Edison's was the last company in the U.S. to release cylinder recordings, through October 1929. When he decided to stop issuing "flat" records (including some late electrical releases), he also ended production of cylinders. His company concentrated on dictating machines, blank cylinders for use on them, and shavers so that the cylinders could be used again.
Like all old analog physical media it was in much better shape when it was first made. The new ones had that low tone but were free of static.
GOD! I CAN`T GET OVER THE BEAT AND RHYTHM OF THIS RECORD! Can You still Buy this Record? And Where? I Have heard that they are remaking Cylinders using AWESOME Songs like this today!!!
I got my modern cylinder with this song on it from the Berlin Phonograph Works. Very nice and relatively quick service from Europe and he uses paypal
Popeye is first appeareance in animation in 1933
And it's a Blue Amberol record!
Oh, I see from the comments that it is likely not from the Edison company, so it wouldn't be using their trademarked Blue Amberol composition, even if it is blue in color.
This version predates the Sammy Timberg cartoon jingle.
Spinach does not give you powers, kids.
If you believe it does it might as well, old boxer John L. Sullivan used to rub rock salt and other stuff on his face and hands to get the fat off. Sure it mightve never done anything but it gave him confidence thinking he had some form of edge, making him fight differently.
Same with Tyson jogging at 4 am
I bet this song is on 78 disc format too.
hello fillmore. that is fabulous
Since 2012 only one dislike.
from Bluto
@@The_Butler_Did_It XD Two more now, one of them probably from the Sea Hag.
5 now
something I've learned from years on RUclips, never mention the amount of dislikes, my guess is seeing a comment that says "the video only has such and such dislikes" makes people think "lol I'm going to dislike now to make that person wrong"
@@dguy0386 You are right.
beautiful. all the children that heard this song over the years from this marvelous contraption & are now not walking the earth no more. The sense of childhood giddiness is just one of the plethora of emotions this tube & needle has brought about & now we get to marvel at it through a little box in our hands folks back then would almost certaintly call a chocolate bar
edit: damn typed that high af. sorry for all the big thinks.
interesting varint on the theme .:) :) :) :)
Why the heck would there be a victrola type of machine which was invented in 1906 to play an already outdated medium?
amazing pvc
It's wax
Very nice! I assume this was transferred from the BA copy?
this is a modern reproduction, edison ceased making cylinders in 1929 and this recording is from 1931
De aqui salio la idea de los discos compactos digitales!!!!!!!!
How is it you follow the pages visit?
Marion's attic? WBCQ?
Do you still make custom cylinders, would you be interested in a commission?
Got a rendition of brother can you spare a dime and would like to give it as a birthday gift to a friend I’m seeing in December
amazing acoustic recording. somehow made it decent fidelity on a wax cylynder from the 1800s
Yeah cause this is 1880s tech this was the amberola invented crocs 1910 and was the highest fidelity of acoustic recordings before the Edison diamond disc. This may have also been electrically made so there were many improvements
You're supposed to close the lid while it's playing to reduce the sound of the record scratching
Surface noise.
True, but this is a video and we kind of want to see it go.
which is the year of the recording?
1931, it was originally on a normal 78 record but someone made a reproduction copy on cylinder
Billy Murray might be back in vogue, considering 60+ years of people listening to wretched rock... Years ago older collectors, in talking about a garage full of old records, referred to about 50% of Billy Murray's, maybe 25% of decent Jazz records. By Billy Murray's they meant everything old pre-jazz, that they considered a waste of space and not worth listening to, and believe me, that included a lot of Paul Whiteman's and other bands of the early twenties. Paul Kearney, rest his soul, would only refer to Whiteman as the fat POS. Probably because of him making great jazz players play strictly from arrangements..borrring.
Well, just don't play your damn fine condition early Jazz records on a victrola, but if you must, change the needle every time and never, ever turn a needle. That's why you find old records that look like they were roller skating on. Poor people didn't buy new needles. Look at a needle, after one playing on a victrola, under an 8x loop. It looks like a little knife blade. Imagine turning that sideways on the grooves of a record... Don't.