He may have gotten Sisko to get the Romulans into the war at the cost of his self-respect (a bargain) but the cost for Garak was much higher in the long run.
He did have guilt about fellow cardassians dying because of him, but he did get a prominant role in the rebuilding of cardassia. It was sad though that mila garak had to die aswell. Ps, Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk run!
The saddest part, the very very saddest part, is that he would've saved those 800 million + lives, just of the Cardassians, and all the Breen and Klingon, Federation planet and Jem Hadar lives, and Romulan lives, if Worf were 30 seconds slower than him in the defiant's control panel. Had his sabotage succeeded, the founders thankfully would've been wiped out except for 90 or so of their superman children.
@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s no no no nooo, can you imagine what the Jemhadar would do if a "god" was killed, and the other changelings would also be out for revenge instead. Then they would just come in and kill everything in sight.
@@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 a ships counselor AND a trill with a symbiont with centuries of life experience. Ezri is a double-threat type of woman lol.
Andrew Robinson was able to pull of a claustrophobic attack very well because he actually does have severe claustrophobia. He nearly didn't take the job because the first time they put on the make up he nearly had a panic attack. Only after he saw what they had done, the alien creature they made him into, did he calm down and knew he could not walk away from that role.
Between Andrew Robinson's claustrophobic reaction and Wallace Shawn's allergic reaction to makeup, this show has a lot of actors willing to do whatever it takes.
@@drake8050 Next Generation had a rocker who shaved his long beard to portray a single episode character with full head makeup, a maximum of two lines, and a distorted voice, just so he could be on Star Trek.
The fact that she told him the plans in advance of the attack was a huge breach of security... he is a known spy, even when he appears to be helping he should not be trusted or given information...
I thought the same thing when i saw The Pale Moonlight, when Sisko is screaming at Garak about how he killed the Romulan senator to bring the Romulans into the war. It's like, he didn't even check to see if there were any customers in Garaks shop. LoL
Define " my people ". I love Ukraine with all my heart and all my soul but Zelensky, Bandera and Petlyura are so NOT " my people " ! And no- I absolutely do not consider myself a traitor.
Imagine though. 800 Million souls, wiped out in less than 24 hours. A crime 100 times the scale of the holocaust in a single sunrise. Cardassia would not recover for decades. Maybe even centuries. No infrastrcture. No government to speak of. The Obsidian Order gone, the Central command almost wiped out. And despised by Klingons, Federation and Romulans for their betrayal of the entire Alpha Quadrant. They have no allies, no friends, Cardassia would be a parish state for years to come; and they'll be entirely dependant on federation and Bajoran aid. The Romulans? Soon to be wiped out by their own sun and collapse into a fragmented lack of successor states. Klingons? In complete sociological decline following centuries of corruption and the disastrous Klingon-Cardassian War. The Federation? Lost most of its fleet, horrifically unprepared for a Borg attack, and faces a crisis as member states begin to seceed, with the federation turning inwards, betraying its ideals. A Post-Dominion War Galaxy is a frightening place. With no reason to be merciful to Cardassia.
2:23 Man, his delivery on "I'm a traitor..... I've... b-betrayed... every...!" That always breaks me deep down. Really makes you feel for poor Garak in that moment. :(
By the end of the war, Garak is an even more broken man than he was here. He betrayed his fellow Cardassians under the pretense of usurping the dominion, he witnesses the destruction of his family home and the death of Mila who was like a mother to him, not the mention the Dominion's attempted genocide of every Cardassian on the planet. Not to mention the biggest slap in the face, Odo deciding to spare that Changeling Bitch, when she deserved to die screaming in agony
@@deathbykonami5487 actually every changeling would have to die cause she was the face of all the Changelings beliefs. The Dominion itself is nothing but an empire built by the Changelings to teach the solids that they are superior to them and they had no other reason, of course telling them its wrong will make them say back at you that the solids mistreated them the same way and thus the Changelings decided it was for the best they conquered everything and brought order according to their beliefs, the Female Changeling was an emissary of sorts sent by the changelings connected to the Link which is the hivemind of Changeling. Odo used her to deliver not only the cure to the virus that was destroying the changelings but also the ultimatum of annihilation if the changelings refused to stop their empire building, she also became the very evidence that solids had defeated them and now the changelings should stop and change their beliefs which they did of course. (according to the novels, apparently they made Odo their new Emissary/Master and afterwards discovered they themselves were made by another master/god like being that had disappeared long ago so they decided to look for him, of course they found him and to all the changelings surprise, he was destroyed by a Nova so in utter despair the link decided to break and all changelings scattered across the galaxy, Odo tried bringing them back together even as individual changelings but he could only find few and that's what has happened as of yet)
One thing I loved in this scene is that Garak's exile was hinted at for treason several times through out the show, however Garak did not feel he had betrayed his people. And then when was helping the Federation fight the Cardasians he truly did feel that he was betraying them, and it ate at him.
Andrew Robinson was given so many opportunities to display his great acting range with this character. It's the kind of role that comes to an actor once in a lifetime.
The show kind of implied that he genuinely hate Romulans more than any other races in several occasions, like how he rather plainly insulted Romulus and it's population once when recounting his posting there to Bashir.
I can't remember whether it was Garak or Tain who once characterized the Romulan Tal Shi'ar as "sloppy." And Weyoun called the Romulans "predictably treacherous." As a master spy, from a culture that values precision and attention to detail, Garak may have held Romulans in contempt as incompetent schemers.
Garrack is an excellent liar, even too himself. He needed her to push him to acknowledge his feelings. His actions are logical but emotion precedes logic.
in a later episode: Cardassian about to shoot Kira: 'You wouldn't kill one of your own people for a Bajoran Woman' Garak: 'How little you understand me.'
one of the things i love about garak is that he is a patriot, believing in his people and wanting to make them strong. even though they exiled him, scapegoated him, and his own father firing him from the most powerful intelligence agency in the alpha quadrant, he still believed in his people and wanted to help them. in fact, just knowing what he was doing to help starfleet would kill cardassians was killing him - its evident here. he lamented for his peoples deaths at the end of the dominion war, but he stayed behind and helped them rebuild.
He knew the Dominion had practically enslaved his people, so he had to do something to free Cardassia from it, even if it meant the lives of many of his own. He just didn't imagine most of the final death toll would come from the Dominion itself.
Different moments. In The Pale Moonlight was a character defining moment for Garak. This was character GROWTH. For all he did in PM, Garak didn't change much during it, Sisko did. Garak sure as hell changed in this scene.
Garak: I now know why I've been having these attacks. My mind can't seem to accept that I am killing my own people. Ezri: So what will you do? Garak: Go back to work. What else can I do? Ezri: The Captain will be glad to hear that. Garak: ...Your sensitivity to my issue of killing my own people just warms my heart.
Think about Marlene Dietrich. You think she was happy singing for Allied soldiers, knowing they go to kill her people? But they were fighting for right cause, and she knew it
@@sargon0141 she was singing in the USA cause it was the easier way (with her political orientation) and don't speak like the Americans did as much to liberate Europe as the soviets (the UdSSR had 10 times more casualties then the USA)
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 Casualties are not interchangeable with progress on the war front. . Maybe if Comrade Zap Brannigan hadn't purged anyone who seemed a little too competent, maybe he wouldn't have been surrounded by complete morons and they could've achieved more with far fewer loses, instead of just sending wave after wave of his own men against the the German War Machines, especially the greatest war machine of all, Colonel Von Stroheim, until it were too worn down to function
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 we have the Great Purge to thank for liberating the red army of effective military leadership which led to a lot of unnecessary deaths as did Order 227. Taking casualties is not a sign of effectiveness nor progress toward a war front. This is the same military that lost to the recently freed Finns only a short time prior. The soviets lost a lot of lives both civilian and military but running through the great european plain in tanks once you’ve punched a hole in the lines of a numerically inferior foe in maneuver warfare against is pretty hard to screw up. Besides, the soviets “liberated” eastern europe into soviet chains, one prison for another.
They spent so much time over the seasons building up not just Cardassian culture and the importance of loyalty to the state but Garak's love of that same culture. When this moment comes it really hits hard realising that he thinks of himself as a traitor. Also goddamn Ezri was so cute.
I know Ezri must seem a little callous when she so unsympathetically tells Garak she’s glad to hear he’s on the job. But consider- when has Garak *ever* wanted sympathy from his human counterparts? It was all of two years and a prolonged near-death experience before he asked Doctor Bashir for forgiveness. And even then the truth was constantly veiled. No, for Garak, a cold segue back to his work was better for him than to tread deeper into the open wound that was the death of Cardassia. And consider for a moment this: what would talking about Cardassia do for him? There was, realistically, no hope for Cardassia. Any hope offered would’ve been a weak, placating thought at best, a cruel lie at worst, both of which would be even more damaging to his psyche later when Cardassia was leveled to dust. Sympathy is good friends, but true compassion is not always sympathetic. Be wise in your cold moments, but even wiser in your kindness.
There is also the fact that Ezri Dax is trying to fill Jadzia Dax's shoes, and Garak calls her out on it. He rightfully has contempt for Ezria trying to be what her predecessor was. Ezria has no personality and just wants people to like her because they liked Jadzia. So she tries to be Jadzia even though she doesn't have the experience either in life or with the inhabitants of Deep Space 9 to pull it off and most everyone is just humoring her. Even her breaking down in tears after Garak calls her out, it is hard to truly sympathize with her, and not because it is an obviously younger actor playing an obviously younger person stepping into a more experience person's shoes. It's because she thinks that by being 'Dax she will become what the person was. I prefer to think the "Thanks to you" was Garak insulting her and Ezria just being too naive to realize it. Because it was thanks to her determined need to be Jadzia in spite of her incapability to be her that pushed Garak to a point where if he commits suicide after the end of the Dominion War is a legitimate question.
"You've already betrayed your people. You've made your choices, sir. You're a traitor! Now, if the bitter taste of that is unpalatable to you, I'm very sorry to hear it." --- Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
JFC Andrew J. Robinson! This is one of the best scenes ever! This is why he is my favorite in this series of amazing actors. He totally should have gotten an award for this!
It's somewhat ironic. Despite his exile and almost every Cardassian he ever met seeing him as a turncoat, and a reputation for dishonesty and duplicity he not only welcomed but actively cultivated, Garak never saw himself as a traitor. Until this point. Irony on top of irony, the act that causes his breakdown wasn't self-serving or nefarious but altruistic (something practically unheard of in Cardassian society.)
funny they included him having a "claustrophobic attack' into the storyline.Andy Robinson (Garak) said in an interview that the first time he had all the makeup/costume on,he got very claustrophobic,and had told his agent he didn't think it was gonna work out.....
The last part, where Garak shows appreciation for Ezri's help, especially after he had derided her earlier attempts to help, was a great moment. For a man who said that "telling the truth, is what lazy people do when they can't think up a lie", it was nice to see a genuine exprsesion from him
Garak: Even if it means the destruction of Cardassia. First thing Ezria Dax say is: The Captain will be glad you be back on the job. What a great therapist. Remind to never to go to her for advice.
Garak doesn't do comfort. The last thing he wants to hear is her try to comfort him or warm up to him. The only reason he compliments her is because she DOESN'T try to comfort him.
She is really great isnt she? Her first "counsuling" with Garak ended with her having a breakdown. Maybe she just wanted to pay him that one back by reminding him of all the cardassian lives that are to be lost because of him.
from 0:54 onwards, i love how Garek is bracing/grounding himself subtlely with his hands. Eventually it escalates into full-on leaning on the environment around him.
This is a such a great Trill scene. Garak feels safely vulnerable around Dax but annoyed and walled off with Ezri. Garak went from "How nice of you to be going off to your imminent demise at the front" to Ezri to totally confiding his total weakness and despair to his new friend Ezri Dax. One person but two, and Garak wants one of them to die and the other to save him. One of the best Dax scenes in the whole series.
This treasure only exists because Andrew Robinson was broke enough to agree to work on Star Trek - turned out to be possibly the best role of his career
Most folks thought of Ezri as just the one year substitute after Terry Ferrell left after season 6. But the writers used the previous scene and this one to give her character some depth. She had a hunch as to why he was having these attacks, and basically acted on that hunch and subtly helped Garak realize what was going on.
In a way she was right, and he was wrong. His actions made the Cardassian people see that the Dominion was sacrificing them. It led to Dumar's insurrection, and ultimately, to the Cardassian fleeting turning on the Dominion. Rather than fight to the bitter end, his people changed sides, and in doing so, spared many more of their worlds from being invaded. Cardassia itself may have been largely devastated, by their colonies where not.
I suspect the comprehensive story arc, and good writing had a lot to do with it. Even the secondary characters had a real depth, and where fully fleshed out.
"Even if it means the destruction of Cardassia." Cheerful Ezria. "The Captain will be glad to hear you are back on the job." "Yes, why would he be concerned with the extermination of my homeworld so long as I can help the Federation?" "..." "You know, for a counselor, you aren't very perceptive some times."
Ezri must've been one of the only people to get under Garak's skin. I remember watching her scenes with him for the first time, and was astonished by how much Garak was yelling.
Indeed, honestly I hated her more and more the more she talked and yet had the emotional intelligence of a rock in how she not only didn't recognize what she was saying, but also chose to keep pushing the knife in by saying that it's a good thing that the Cardassians will be slaughtered to a man that loves his people and wears a smile after hearing that even if his beloved homeworld is destroyed then it's acceptable collateral in defeating the Dominion.
@@AttackerNumberTwo I never wanted her to pity and sympathize Garak, just realize that it isn't exactly a wise idea to congratulate a patriot for being the reason his world would fall and possibly be destroyed.
Garak was always one of my favorite characters on DS9. There was a complexity that was hinted at, but never fully revealed. It always left him somewhat of an enigmatic character, which was for the best IMHO.
My uneducated friends: I love my favorite character *(insert boring human)*! Me, an educated man: Garak. friend: UH, what? Me: nothing. Just a simple tailor.
Garek the Cardassian version of Worf, giving everything he has for his ppl. Regrettably Cardassians dont forgive or rather they dont possess the ability to forgive, as least Klingons can overlook and welcome u back IF u can accomplish some feat of AMAZING glory and/or victory in the face of utter defeat, or happen to save the life of a HIGHLY ranked family.
Actually Garak was never a traitor. The cardassian that replaced Damar, he was a traitor. Garak was a loyal cardasian till the end, for better or for worse.
I love to see an actual psychologist on Star Trek. Even knowing it’s an oversimplification of our work, she was way better written than Deana. Edit: typo.
One thing that always bother me was how they would talk about ship movements, deployments, and operations out in the open including in the bar like as if they were talking about the weather. In this case at an wide open doorway in a public area with who knows who walking by.
you would be surprised at what people say in public. criminals have discussed their plans to commit crimes within earshot of uniformed officers who then arrested the criminals.
Eh, this is every Star Trek episode ever. Ever wonder why the Senior staff are always going to these secret missions and doing everything. Like what's the rest of the ship crew doing? Cleaning the privvy?
What is the difference between Garak and Dukat? Garak started off as a psychopathic killer screwing over his own people and through exile, and real consequences, Garak became a true Cardassian patriot who would kill anybody if it meant protecting Cardassia. Dukat started as a true Cardassian patriot who would kill anybody if it meant protecting Cardassia and due to Bajor's liberation, and Dukat's delusion over his legacy, Dukat became a psychopathic killer screwing over his own people.
Being in the Obsidian Order- Garak and Tain would fabricate charges against people on a whim. The closest equivalent would be high-ranking Nazi and Soviet intelligence chiefs rounding up people, purging "enemies of the state" and taking down anybody who didn't look "right" in their eyes. DS9 had an insane amount of parallels to WW2, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, The British Empire... Take some of the worst evils and atrocities shown on DS9 and there will be something similar in our history (19th/20th/21st). Dominion War -- WW2 Occupation of Bajor -- British Empire colonialism/imperialism, Nazi/Soviet occupation of countries, Vietnam war (France and USA), etc. Cardassia -- Amalgamation of the worst of Maoist China, Soviet Union and Nazi Germany Klingons and their corrupt warrior culture -- Japanese Empire Destruction of Cardassia during the end of the Dominion war -- Destruction of Warsaw and the Nazi's accelerated extermination of PoWs, Slavs and Jews during the end of WW2. Bajoran resistance groups -- WW2 resistance groups against Nazis, Viet Cong, etc. Kira's description in Duet of Cardassian brutality -- The Rape of Nanking by the Japanese during WW2.
Garak worked for the Cardassian secret police. He spent as much time torturing and murdering other Cardassians as he did spying and assassinating other species.
I think she was just cruel and paying him back for the time he caused her to break down while at the same time making sure that Garak stayed in line. I expect nothing less from someone with centuries of experience.
DS9 is and will always be my favorite series... a cowboy frontier approach to star trek, and Garek (I see a lot of myself in him) being pulled by two societies. Such an underrated series, and i so wished Garek and Ziyal lived happily ever after.
This is one of those great Star Trek moments and characters, where a character is more than a one-dimensional, surface level archetype...and you see a carefully cultivated facade crack to reveal real pain and real struggle underneath.
If only he didn't need Dukhat's help when the Klingon's attacked the station. Since it was Dukhat that was largely responsible for getting the Cardassians into the Dominion and Alpha Quadrant. The war may never happened.
Watch ING Garak tie that saha with such ferocity gives me so much respect for the stage director, that single, simple, move, set the mood for the rest of the scene in such a classical manner
This decision has to be made in real life. The people who feel trapped today engaged in self-betrayal. My honest release (without any trick attempts) is key to the liberation process.
That's what a Canadian gets for trying to nice someone to death. Some people deal with the cold truth, no matter how hard it is, better than most. Human beings are unpredictable, that's why I've avoided a counseling career
in a way it's deeper than most realize, Garak got exiled as a traitor yet he never believed himself to be a traitor, he knew that deep inside he was still a cardassian patriot but in doing this he became what he was accused of, and that had to have been gnawing at him too at some level
correct me if wrong (it has been a long LONG time) but didn´t molari pay with his life for working with the shadows were as garak actually lead the charge against the dominion and survived
I love Andrew Robinson as Garak, he is my favorita character along with Weyoun Having said that, watching this scene again tells me I would have loved to see Robin Williams as Garak
Look at Ezri walking into Garak's shop - with all the confidence of a girl who's had her bottom spanked, going to apologize to the man who spanked her.
What? This comparison would make more sense if you were a Ukrainian with Russian roots. But your heritage is more akin to simply being a Cardassian during the occupation of Bajor.
@@Mia199603 there weren't any Cardassians on Bajor literally living for hundreds of years when occupation began. And who on Earth do you think you are judging if it makes sense or not who I am. That's a little ignorant and entitled on your part, tbh. I'm glad we both can enjoy Star Trek, I just hope I will never relate as much to characters war traumas on the show.
Sören H. I believe he had a neural implant which could reduce pain or anxeity to help him be a spy. It was meant for occasional use while under great stress, but he was using it all of the time.
He felt guilty for helping the Federation against his Cardassian countrymen. By being sick, so to speak, he had an excuse for not helping the Federation to fight the Dominion while not supporting the Dominion's goal of conquesting the Alpha Quadrant either, so his unconscious mind gave him the attacks.
Really,? Having a confidential military strategy conversation out in the open for anyone to hear? The Cardassians will find out before the shit hits the fan for them....
Garak almost single-handily saved the alpha quadrant and all it cost him was EVERYTHING
He may have gotten Sisko to get the Romulans into the war at the cost of his self-respect (a bargain) but the cost for Garak was much higher in the long run.
He did have guilt about fellow cardassians dying because of him, but he did get a prominant role in the rebuilding of cardassia. It was sad though that mila garak had to die aswell.
Ps, Come to Quark's, Quark's is fun, come right now, don't walk run!
The saddest part, the very very saddest part, is that he would've saved those 800 million + lives, just of the Cardassians, and all the Breen and Klingon, Federation planet and Jem Hadar lives, and Romulan lives, if Worf were 30 seconds slower than him in the defiant's control panel. Had his sabotage succeeded, the founders thankfully would've been wiped out except for 90 or so of their superman children.
@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s no no no nooo, can you imagine what the Jemhadar would do if a "god" was killed, and the other changelings would also be out for revenge instead. Then they would just come in and kill everything in sight.
@@aziizrocks No. They'd fall apart immediately.
"I've decided to go back to Trill"
"How nice for you"
Ezri hitting right where it hurts, to a man who cannot go back to his own homeworld
Garak kind of deserved it.
-Payback is a motherf****r.
-If you think payback is bad, you haven't met Ezri Dax!
@@anastasiosgkotzamanis5277 a ships counselor AND a trill with a symbiont with centuries of life experience. Ezri is a double-threat type of woman lol.
@@jeffburnham6611 the first ship's counselor who wasn't utterly worthless
@@InfernosReaper DS9 wasn't a ship, it was a space station.
Andrew Robinson deserved an Emmy.
Tom V true!!!! So many of the actors in this show deserve awards!!
best star trek character from any franchise
He's a great actor and he's given us wonderful performances to enjoy forever.
@@armamentarmedarm1699 hellraiser, an excellent movie
He acted his socks off.
Andrew Robinson was able to pull of a claustrophobic attack very well because he actually does have severe claustrophobia. He nearly didn't take the job because the first time they put on the make up he nearly had a panic attack. Only after he saw what they had done, the alien creature they made him into, did he calm down and knew he could not walk away from that role.
I hadn't heard that before. It's pretty cool though
He's at least half as brave as the man he played.
@@G.r.e.g.g.l.e.s At least.
Between Andrew Robinson's claustrophobic reaction and Wallace Shawn's allergic reaction to makeup, this show has a lot of actors willing to do whatever it takes.
@@drake8050 Next Generation had a rocker who shaved his long beard to portray a single episode character with full head makeup, a maximum of two lines, and a distorted voice, just so he could be on Star Trek.
When Garak is being 100% honest, it's usually heartbreaking.
The whole Promenade can hear these two yelling about cracked codes and sneak attacks on unprepared star systems.
Just the idea of someone sitting drinking a smoothie and overhearing all that
Only Morn. He might talk your ear off but he knows how to keep a secret.
The fact that she told him the plans in advance of the attack was a huge breach of security... he is a known spy, even when he appears to be helping he should not be trusted or given information...
@@Rick_Sanchez_C137_
I mean, yeah. But he's the one responsible for that attack and he's going through a few things.
I thought the same thing when i saw The Pale Moonlight, when Sisko is screaming at Garak about how he killed the Romulan senator to bring the Romulans into the war. It's like, he didn't even check to see if there were any customers in Garaks shop. LoL
One of the few times Garak is upfront with the truth about himself. That he sees himself as a traitor to his people
He has always been truthful about himself, even the lies. Especially, the lies.
He never betrayed them. Not in his heart. ;)
Define " my people ". I love Ukraine with all my heart and all my soul but Zelensky, Bandera and Petlyura are so NOT " my people " ! And no- I absolutely do not consider myself a traitor.
@@tatianalyulkin410 Then maybe you should assess who exactly you define as the people you love before you start trying to say you love Ukraine.
"The Dominion must be stopped...Even if it does mean the destruction of Cardassia."
And sadly that's exactly what it did mean.
Old cardassia maybe,
Imagine though.
800 Million souls, wiped out in less than 24 hours. A crime 100 times the scale of the holocaust in a single sunrise. Cardassia would not recover for decades. Maybe even centuries. No infrastrcture. No government to speak of. The Obsidian Order gone, the Central command almost wiped out.
And despised by Klingons, Federation and Romulans for their betrayal of the entire Alpha Quadrant. They have no allies, no friends, Cardassia would be a parish state for years to come; and they'll be entirely dependant on federation and Bajoran aid.
The Romulans? Soon to be wiped out by their own sun and collapse into a fragmented lack of successor states. Klingons? In complete sociological decline following centuries of corruption and the disastrous Klingon-Cardassian War. The Federation? Lost most of its fleet, horrifically unprepared for a Borg attack, and faces a crisis as member states begin to seceed, with the federation turning inwards, betraying its ideals.
A Post-Dominion War Galaxy is a frightening place. With no reason to be merciful to Cardassia.
Ezri: "that's nice, dear"
but, it was the sentence the Cardassians wrote for themselves over the course of DS9.
@@benlowe1701 Their situation sounds very similar to that of Earth, on April 4, 2063, BEFORE first contact.
2:23 Man, his delivery on "I'm a traitor..... I've... b-betrayed... every...!" That always breaks me deep down. Really makes you feel for poor Garak in that moment. :(
By the end of the war, Garak is an even more broken man than he was here. He betrayed his fellow Cardassians under the pretense of usurping the dominion, he witnesses the destruction of his family home and the death of Mila who was like a mother to him, not the mention the Dominion's attempted genocide of every Cardassian on the planet. Not to mention the biggest slap in the face, Odo deciding to spare that Changeling Bitch, when she deserved to die screaming in agony
@@deathbykonami5487 actually every changeling would have to die cause she was the face of all the Changelings beliefs.
The Dominion itself is nothing but an empire built by the Changelings to teach the solids that they are superior to them and they had no other reason, of course telling them its wrong will make them say back at you that the solids mistreated them the same way and thus the Changelings decided it was for the best they conquered everything and brought order according to their beliefs, the Female Changeling was an emissary of sorts sent by the changelings connected to the Link which is the hivemind of Changeling.
Odo used her to deliver not only the cure to the virus that was destroying the changelings but also the ultimatum of annihilation if the changelings refused to stop their empire building, she also became the very evidence that solids had defeated them and now the changelings should stop and change their beliefs which they did of course.
(according to the novels, apparently they made Odo their new Emissary/Master and afterwards discovered they themselves were made by another master/god like being that had disappeared long ago so they decided to look for him, of course they found him and to all the changelings surprise, he was destroyed by a Nova so in utter despair the link decided to break and all changelings scattered across the galaxy, Odo tried bringing them back together even as individual changelings but he could only find few and that's what has happened as of yet)
One thing I loved in this scene is that Garak's exile was hinted at for treason several times through out the show, however Garak did not feel he had betrayed his people. And then when was helping the Federation fight the Cardasians he truly did feel that he was betraying them, and it ate at him.
Especially when the whole culture revolves around loyalty to the group above all
Andrew Robinson was given so many opportunities to display his great acting range with this character. It's the kind of role that comes to an actor once in a lifetime.
2:00 The hatred he poured into the name “Romulan” was fantastic!
Sounded like an insult.
@@TheWPhilosopher it WAS an insult.
"Romulan (derogatory)!?"
The show kind of implied that he genuinely hate Romulans more than any other races in several occasions, like how he rather plainly insulted Romulus and it's population once when recounting his posting there to Bashir.
I can't remember whether it was Garak or Tain who once characterized the Romulan Tal Shi'ar as "sloppy." And Weyoun called the Romulans "predictably treacherous." As a master spy, from a culture that values precision and attention to detail, Garak may have held Romulans in contempt as incompetent schemers.
Garrack is an excellent liar, even too himself. He needed her to push him to acknowledge his feelings. His actions are logical but emotion precedes logic.
Emotions are useless baggage. They should be suppressed.
@@tek512 without emotions there is no motivation.
@@tek512
Aha yes, let us get rid of the thing that makes us human and just act like robots!
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@@darchendon7926 without emotion = no religion = no religious murdering = less wars
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 without emotions=no art= no love= no passion= no drive to better yourself
in a later episode:
Cardassian about to shoot Kira: 'You wouldn't kill one of your own people for a Bajoran Woman'
Garak: 'How little you understand me.'
"I'm still here, Rusot!"
It's so rare for Garak to be completely honest, to not be in control, when it happens it carries a huge emotional punch.
It sure does!
one of the things i love about garak is that he is a patriot, believing in his people and wanting to make them strong. even though they exiled him, scapegoated him, and his own father firing him from the most powerful intelligence agency in the alpha quadrant, he still believed in his people and wanted to help them. in fact, just knowing what he was doing to help starfleet would kill cardassians was killing him - its evident here. he lamented for his peoples deaths at the end of the dominion war, but he stayed behind and helped them rebuild.
Yep. Garak really grew as a person, I think his post-exile life is a bittersweet but brilliant ending for him.
Third most powerful intelligence organization... Behind the founders, and section 13 at the top
Its proper patriotism too. He doesn't blindly follow those in charge, he does what is best for Cardasia and it's people
He knew the Dominion had practically enslaved his people, so he had to do something to free Cardassia from it, even if it meant the lives of many of his own. He just didn't imagine most of the final death toll would come from the Dominion itself.
Some people think In The Pale Moonlight was Garak's finest moment...i would choose this one.
@@Visitormassacre I'm not going to argue!
Different moments. In The Pale Moonlight was a character defining moment for Garak. This was character GROWTH. For all he did in PM, Garak didn't change much during it, Sisko did. Garak sure as hell changed in this scene.
i think the pale moonlight is definitely Sisko’s most defining moment. this pain is Garak’s.
He has so many Andrew did a master class with Garak episode after episode.
"Rrrromulan?!"
I bloody love the way he says that
it sounds as if he values Romulans less than Humans and Klingons.
No one likes Romulans, including Romulans.
He somehow manages to roll his H’s as well. Remember the scene where he calls Gul Dukat to inform them of an imminent attack? That was great too.
RAAARRRRRRRRRAAARRRROOOMULAN??!!!
Garak: I now know why I've been having these attacks. My mind can't seem to accept that I am killing my own people.
Ezri: So what will you do?
Garak: Go back to work. What else can I do?
Ezri: The Captain will be glad to hear that.
Garak: ...Your sensitivity to my issue of killing my own people just warms my heart.
Think about Marlene Dietrich. You think she was happy singing for Allied soldiers, knowing they go to kill her people? But they were fighting for right cause, and she knew it
@@sargon0141 she was singing in the USA cause it was the easier way (with her political orientation) and don't speak like the Americans did as much to liberate Europe as the soviets (the UdSSR had 10 times more casualties then the USA)
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 Casualties are not interchangeable with progress on the war front.
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Maybe if Comrade Zap Brannigan hadn't purged anyone who seemed a little too competent, maybe he wouldn't have been surrounded by complete morons and they could've achieved more with far fewer loses, instead of just sending wave after wave of his own men against the the German War Machines, especially the greatest war machine of all, Colonel Von Stroheim, until it were too worn down to function
@@InfernosReaper Wehraboo Detected
@@gottfriedwegemuller3223 we have the Great Purge to thank for liberating the red army of effective military leadership which led to a lot of unnecessary deaths as did Order 227. Taking casualties is not a sign of effectiveness nor progress toward a war front. This is the same military that lost to the recently freed Finns only a short time prior. The soviets lost a lot of lives both civilian and military but running through the great european plain in tanks once you’ve punched a hole in the lines of a numerically inferior foe in maneuver warfare against is pretty hard to screw up. Besides, the soviets “liberated” eastern europe into soviet chains, one prison for another.
They spent so much time over the seasons building up not just Cardassian culture and the importance of loyalty to the state but Garak's love of that same culture. When this moment comes it really hits hard realising that he thinks of himself as a traitor.
Also goddamn Ezri was so cute.
Like Admiral Jarok on TNG, Garak's intentions were noble, but he literally was a traitor.
And Ezri's actor is still cute.
I know Ezri must seem a little callous when she so unsympathetically tells Garak she’s glad to hear he’s on the job. But consider- when has Garak *ever* wanted sympathy from his human counterparts?
It was all of two years and a prolonged near-death experience before he asked Doctor Bashir for forgiveness. And even then the truth was constantly veiled.
No, for Garak, a cold segue back to his work was better for him than to tread deeper into the open wound that was the death of Cardassia.
And consider for a moment this: what would talking about Cardassia do for him? There was, realistically, no hope for Cardassia. Any hope offered would’ve been a weak, placating thought at best, a cruel lie at worst, both of which would be even more damaging to his psyche later when Cardassia was leveled to dust.
Sympathy is good friends, but true compassion is not always sympathetic. Be wise in your cold moments, but even wiser in your kindness.
There is also the fact that Ezri Dax is trying to fill Jadzia Dax's shoes, and Garak calls her out on it. He rightfully has contempt for Ezria trying to be what her predecessor was. Ezria has no personality and just wants people to like her because they liked Jadzia. So she tries to be Jadzia even though she doesn't have the experience either in life or with the inhabitants of Deep Space 9 to pull it off and most everyone is just humoring her.
Even her breaking down in tears after Garak calls her out, it is hard to truly sympathize with her, and not because it is an obviously younger actor playing an obviously younger person stepping into a more experience person's shoes. It's because she thinks that by being 'Dax she will become what the person was.
I prefer to think the "Thanks to you" was Garak insulting her and Ezria just being too naive to realize it. Because it was thanks to her determined need to be Jadzia in spite of her incapability to be her that pushed Garak to a point where if he commits suicide after the end of the Dominion War is a legitimate question.
Garak would know a fake promise or hope when it was offered, and would reject it.
He has no human counterparts.
Always try to be nice but never fail to be kind. There is a reason there is a difference between the two.
Great Scott, that's an inspiring analysis. I'll remember that!
Really intense scene especially when Garak says ‘No not Cardassians, they’re going to fight to the bitter end!’
That’s my favorite part 🥺
god some fine actors on DS9
Agreed. while I am sure some of it is because its my first one it is my fave star trek.
@@yetanotherrandomyoutuber5768 It was my third star trek and it's my favourite
It's my second and its my favorite. I'm so glad I stuck with it. TNG was a drag.
@@DivinePearl yeah I watched TNG after DS9, and I can see why its well loved, but for me doesnt hold a candle to ds9
DS9 (in my opinion) had the best assembly of actors/actresses in ST post-TOS. and that's a lot, considering how good the TNG cast was.
The *bittersweet* ending is Garak can returning his home planet...or what is *left* of it.
I hope he found solace and helped to rebuild.
read the book written by the actor
In star trek online he's one of the planets major leaders.
@@daefaron I do like STO Canon for showing us more of the aftermath of many DS9 characters, especially when things are looking up for them.
"You've already betrayed your people. You've made your choices, sir. You're a traitor! Now, if the bitter taste of that is unpalatable to you, I'm very sorry to hear it."
--- Capt. Jean-Luc Picard
JFC Andrew J. Robinson! This is one of the best scenes ever! This is why he is my favorite in this series of amazing actors. He totally should have gotten an award for this!
It's somewhat ironic. Despite his exile and almost every Cardassian he ever met seeing him as a turncoat, and a reputation for dishonesty and duplicity he not only welcomed but actively cultivated, Garak never saw himself as a traitor. Until this point. Irony on top of irony, the act that causes his breakdown wasn't self-serving or nefarious but altruistic (something practically unheard of in Cardassian society.)
Exactly!
funny they included him having a "claustrophobic attack' into the storyline.Andy Robinson (Garak) said in an interview that the first time he had all the makeup/costume on,he got very claustrophobic,and had told his agent he didn't think it was gonna work out.....
But then he saw how he looked in the mirror and decided to stay on the show.
Taras Shevchenko and the reason the phobia was included in his character was because he told one of the writers, and other has worked perfectly
@G 50 Imagine if he went in ferengi makeup...
Sometimes the best lie is the truth.
Garak has a good heart. There, I said it.
Yes he does, a Romulan one in the fridge
Yeah I honestly wanted to smack Dax the more and more she talked and drove the knife deeper into Garak.
The last part, where Garak shows appreciation for Ezri's help, especially after he had derided her earlier attempts to help, was a great moment. For a man who said that "telling the truth, is what lazy people do when they can't think up a lie", it was nice to see a genuine exprsesion from him
old post but:
Ezri*
Unless, of course, he was lying to Ezri about his true feelings. With Garak you can never be sure.
@@MrTBSC thanks for bringing it to my attention!
Garak: Even if it means the destruction of Cardassia.
First thing Ezria Dax say is: The Captain will be glad you be back on the job.
What a great therapist. Remind to never to go to her for advice.
Garak doesn't do comfort. The last thing he wants to hear is her try to comfort him or warm up to him. The only reason he compliments her is because she DOESN'T try to comfort him.
oh yeah, she's terrible at her job
Yet still better than Troi...
if you can't take it here you can always transfer to a cargo ship - there's a lot less pressure there.
She is really great isnt she? Her first "counsuling" with Garak ended with her having a breakdown. Maybe she just wanted to pay him that one back by reminding him of all the cardassian lives that are to be lost because of him.
Andrew Robinson: one of the greatest actors ever employed on Star Trek.
I like how she restores herself in the eyes of Garak.
from 0:54 onwards, i love how Garek is bracing/grounding himself subtlely with his hands. Eventually it escalates into full-on leaning on the environment around him.
This is a such a great Trill scene. Garak feels safely vulnerable around Dax but annoyed and walled off with Ezri.
Garak went from "How nice of you to be going off to your imminent demise at the front" to Ezri to totally confiding his total weakness and despair to his new friend Ezri Dax.
One person but two, and Garak wants one of them to die and the other to save him.
One of the best Dax scenes in the whole series.
This treasure only exists because Andrew Robinson was broke enough to agree to work on Star Trek - turned out to be possibly the best role of his career
Most folks thought of Ezri as just the one year substitute after Terry Ferrell left after season 6. But the writers used the previous scene and this one to give her character some depth. She had a hunch as to why he was having these attacks, and basically acted on that hunch and subtly helped Garak realize what was going on.
Kind of hard for Ezri to turn around now and say "See? Plenty of lives saved!" as Garak looks out over the ruins of his planet.
In a way she was right, and he was wrong.
His actions made the Cardassian people see that the Dominion was sacrificing them. It led to Dumar's insurrection, and ultimately, to the Cardassian fleeting turning on the Dominion.
Rather than fight to the bitter end, his people changed sides, and in doing so, spared many more of their worlds from being invaded. Cardassia itself may have been largely devastated, by their colonies where not.
Man - even when Andrew Robinson overacts he still kills it! ... It's amazing how they found and kept so many good actors in DS9.
I suspect the comprehensive story arc, and good writing had a lot to do with it. Even the secondary characters had a real depth, and where fully fleshed out.
"Even if it means the destruction of Cardassia." Cheerful Ezria. "The Captain will be glad to hear you are back on the job." "Yes, why would he be concerned with the extermination of my homeworld so long as I can help the Federation?" "..." "You know, for a counselor, you aren't very perceptive some times."
Andrew Robinson is a great actor, he brought plain, simple Garek to life in DS9 and made us hate him in Dirty Harry as the Scorpio killer.
If it weren't for that performance, Dirty Harry would've been a very forgettable movie.
Andrew Robinson; one of the most underrated, under-appreciated and downright gifted actors of his time.
Ezri must've been one of the only people to get under Garak's skin. I remember watching her scenes with him for the first time, and was astonished by how much Garak was yelling.
Indeed, honestly I hated her more and more the more she talked and yet had the emotional intelligence of a rock in how she not only didn't recognize what she was saying, but also chose to keep pushing the knife in by saying that it's a good thing that the Cardassians will be slaughtered to a man that loves his people and wears a smile after hearing that even if his beloved homeworld is destroyed then it's acceptable collateral in defeating the Dominion.
@@ethrsag735 Garak would hate being pitied and sympathised with even more though. She should never have been put in that position imo.
@@AttackerNumberTwo I never wanted her to pity and sympathize Garak, just realize that it isn't exactly a wise idea to congratulate a patriot for being the reason his world would fall and possibly be destroyed.
Garak has killed more people with words than any of his other… gardening skills.
She refuses to coddle him with false hope. What a great head doctor.
Garak was always one of my favorite characters on DS9. There was a complexity that was hinted at, but never fully revealed. It always left him somewhat of an enigmatic character, which was for the best IMHO.
This Garak moment makes me feel very melancholy. 😢
He was still saving Cardassian lives in the long run. The dominion's endgame with the extermination of all humanoid life.
My uneducated friends: I love my favorite character *(insert boring human)*!
Me, an educated man: Garak.
friend: UH, what?
Me: nothing. Just a simple tailor.
Garek the Cardassian version of Worf, giving everything he has for his ppl. Regrettably Cardassians dont forgive or rather they dont possess the ability to forgive, as least Klingons can overlook and welcome u back IF u can accomplish some feat of AMAZING glory and/or victory in the face of utter defeat, or happen to save the life of a HIGHLY ranked family.
Actually Garak was never a traitor. The cardassian that replaced Damar, he was a traitor. Garak was a loyal cardasian till the end, for better or for worse.
I love to see an actual psychologist on Star Trek. Even knowing it’s an oversimplification of our work, she was way better written than Deana.
Edit: typo.
Deana... ugh...
written*
@@Deadpool_64 written, indeed. Thank you.
One thing that always bother me was how they would talk about ship movements, deployments, and operations out in the open including in the bar like as if they were talking about the weather. In this case at an wide open doorway in a public area with who knows who walking by.
It's almost like they forgot their enemy can appear as anyone or anything.
No one noticed poor Bashir wasn’t Bashir
It's called suspension of disbelief.
you would be surprised at what people say in public. criminals have discussed their plans to commit crimes within earshot of uniformed officers who then arrested the criminals.
Eh, this is every Star Trek episode ever. Ever wonder why the Senior staff are always going to these secret missions and doing everything. Like what's the rest of the ship crew doing? Cleaning the privvy?
What is the difference between Garak and Dukat?
Garak started off as a psychopathic killer screwing over his own people and through exile, and real consequences, Garak became a true Cardassian patriot who would kill anybody if it meant protecting Cardassia.
Dukat started as a true Cardassian patriot who would kill anybody if it meant protecting Cardassia and due to Bajor's liberation, and Dukat's delusion over his legacy, Dukat became a psychopathic killer screwing over his own people.
When did Garak screw over his own people?
Never. Garak was always loyal to his people. Always.
Being in the Obsidian Order- Garak and Tain would fabricate charges against people on a whim. The closest equivalent would be high-ranking Nazi and Soviet intelligence chiefs rounding up people, purging "enemies of the state" and taking down anybody who didn't look "right" in their eyes.
DS9 had an insane amount of parallels to WW2, Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, The British Empire...
Take some of the worst evils and atrocities shown on DS9 and there will be something similar in our history (19th/20th/21st).
Dominion War -- WW2
Occupation of Bajor -- British Empire colonialism/imperialism, Nazi/Soviet occupation of countries, Vietnam war (France and USA), etc.
Cardassia -- Amalgamation of the worst of Maoist China, Soviet Union and Nazi Germany
Klingons and their corrupt warrior culture -- Japanese Empire
Destruction of Cardassia during the end of the Dominion war -- Destruction of Warsaw and the Nazi's accelerated extermination of PoWs, Slavs and Jews during the end of WW2.
Bajoran resistance groups -- WW2 resistance groups against Nazis, Viet Cong, etc.
Kira's description in Duet of Cardassian brutality -- The Rape of Nanking by the Japanese during WW2.
Garak worked for the Cardassian secret police. He spent as much time torturing and murdering other Cardassians as he did spying and assassinating other species.
I think this is severe oversimplification of both characters to try and force a parallel.
just noticed the "Minbari bed" complete with triangular pillow
And in RL he did have a few claustrophobia attacks.
She's freaking adorable
"....even if it does mean the destruction of Cardassia."
*SMILES* "Yay, let's hop to it!"
That's true sympathy there.
yeah she's pretty bad at her job
Let's be real, if she'd actually tried to be comforting, you just know Garak would have gone off about vapid Federation platitudes or something.
I think she was just cruel and paying him back for the time he caused her to break down while at the same time making sure that Garak stayed in line. I expect nothing less from someone with centuries of experience.
this makes me so sad for Garak
What a great scene,you can feel every part of his emotion
DS9 is and will always be my favorite series... a cowboy frontier approach to star trek, and Garek (I see a lot of myself in him) being pulled by two societies. Such an underrated series, and i so wished Garek and Ziyal lived happily ever after.
Garak actor is a genius.
Andrew Robinson got so much to work with in his 7 yrs of DS9
i just noticed that extremely subtle eye twitch at 0:45
No one can love his own people the way garak does.
This is one of those great Star Trek moments and characters, where a character is more than a one-dimensional, surface level archetype...and you see a carefully cultivated facade crack to reveal real pain and real struggle underneath.
One of my favorite scenes...thanks for sharing!
If only he didn't need Dukhat's help when the Klingon's attacked the station. Since it was Dukhat that was largely responsible for getting the Cardassians into the Dominion and Alpha Quadrant. The war may never happened.
Dax to Infirmary, we need Xanax, Propranalol and Armitryptyline straight away.
Unlock the big box of Lithium.
This is some top, top quality acting
the quality was good. thanks for sharing this.
Watch ING Garak tie that saha with such ferocity gives me so much respect for the stage director, that single, simple, move, set the mood for the rest of the scene in such a classical manner
An irony in this scene. Garak says, "I was looking for a way out, and the claustrophobia provided the excuse."
Best actor in all of Star Trek.
Jeffrey Combs is up there too
@@levonschaftin3676 Yep!
Garak ... the single most interesting character on the whole show ...
I understand 100 percent what Garek is saying and I know just what he is going through.
This decision has to be made in real life. The people who feel trapped today engaged in self-betrayal. My honest release (without any trick attempts) is key to the liberation process.
And yet not one statue of Garak in the Federation.
@2:03 I'm not even a Cardassian and I felt how bad Garak felt there for what he was doing.
That's what you get garak from making my favorite Canadian celebrity cry like that
That's what a Canadian gets for trying to nice someone to death. Some people deal with the cold truth, no matter how hard it is, better than most. Human beings are unpredictable, that's why I've avoided a counseling career
I got some Robin Williams vibes from his voice when he says "Don't you understand!?!?"
a cardassian traitor is almost a contradiction in terms, given how loyal they are to the state. no wonder he turned on himself
I love the way he says "Romulan"
in a way it's deeper than most realize, Garak got exiled as a traitor yet he never believed himself to be a traitor, he knew that deep inside he was still a cardassian patriot but in doing this he became what he was accused of, and that had to have been gnawing at him too at some level
Exactly. The one thought that kept him sane all these years, "That I'm still loyal" is gone because he did what he had to do.
Garak is the Londo Mollari of DS 9. But luckily without a keeper 👁
correct me if wrong (it has been a long LONG time) but didn´t molari pay with his life for working with the shadows were as garak actually lead the charge against the dominion and survived
I think Garak may have been the greatest hero within the Alpha quadrant that no-one ever knew.
When Garak was at his lowest, Andrew Robinson really did shine.
Jesus say what you want about him garak is a patriot and cares about his people
I love Andrew Robinson as Garak, he is my favorita character along with Weyoun
Having said that, watching this scene again tells me I would have loved to see Robin Williams as Garak
Look at Ezri walking into Garak's shop - with all the confidence of a girl who's had her bottom spanked, going to apologize to the man who spanked her.
What the fuck?
@L : Exactly my point - zero confidence, especially for a Starfleet officer.
Life imitating art.
As a Russian with Ukranian roots, I can understand his situation pretty well. This sort of dichotomy can break you.
What? This comparison would make more sense if you were a Ukrainian with Russian roots. But your heritage is more akin to simply being a Cardassian during the occupation of Bajor.
@@Mia199603 there weren't any Cardassians on Bajor literally living for hundreds of years when occupation began. And who on Earth do you think you are judging if it makes sense or not who I am. That's a little ignorant and entitled on your part, tbh. I'm glad we both can enjoy Star Trek, I just hope I will never relate as much to characters war traumas on the show.
He really does love Cardassia after all
Oh, sweet validation.
Can we all acknowledge, Garak saved everyone
Did I screw up the quality somehow? Any one else seeing that?
tehderfy Hi, the quality is quite good for 360p in my opinion. Question, so what was the reason for the claustrophobia? I didn't get that one...
Sören H. I believe he had a neural implant which could reduce pain or anxeity to help him be a spy. It was meant for occasional use while under great stress, but he was using it all of the time.
jonnnney
Thanks! I guess it's been too long since I watched the show.
This was before, this problem was taken care of before the Dominion War started.
He felt guilty for helping the Federation against his Cardassian countrymen. By being sick, so to speak, he had an excuse for not helping the Federation to fight the Dominion while not supporting the Dominion's goal of conquesting the Alpha Quadrant either, so his unconscious mind gave him the attacks.
What a difficult position!
I want Garak’s cool shirt
Really,? Having a confidential military strategy conversation out in the open for anyone to hear? The Cardassians will find out before the shit hits the fan for them....
militarized shopping mall in spaaaccceeee
its faaakkeee
It's a good thing the infirmary's a few doors down.
The first time I watched this I didn't notice that the Destiny was going to join the 7th Fleet. And it ended up getting decimated later.