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Star Trek DS9 - Episode 218 - Elim Garak and Quark Discuss Fashion
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- A scene from episode 218 - "Profit and Loss". Elim Garak and Quark discuss fashion with a lot of subtext to the conversation. This is one of the many fun scenes that DS9 had with Garak, and why the show had lasting appeal.
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I'm amused that everything that comes out of Garak's mouth is either a subtle implication, a half-truth or a well-disguised insult, never anything in between.
His playfful threats and backhanded compliments are quite good.
The autobiography "a stich in time", is wonderful.
I don't know, I've found many of his interactions with Bashir near flirtatious
But sometimes, like in Tacking Into the Wind (7x22), when he tells Kira that Damar needed to hear what she said, he's deadly serious and direct.
Which is why he's one of the best Cardassians I've ever seen on screen.
I love that Garak isn't actually _threatening_ Quark, he's _warning_ Quark of what could happen - in the hope that he'll be ready when it comes. Then later on he actually _saves_ Quark.
I need to rewatch the series to see if Garak was actually helpful all the time. Like you said: I think he was warning Quark.
....well, most people are unable to differ between intimidation and a threat - they think they are the same, but they are not.
But, let's not loose ourselfs in this meaningless nitpicking. Rather tell me Honey: Do you like my Dress?
It was always interesting how garak was able to adjust the way he gave a warning to the person he spoke to. In this scene he approached quark like a businessman.
A phrase from another fiction *"Never use idle threats when intimidating someone, use rational outcomes."*
And says I told you so
"Mister Garak is a bit of a mystery to us..."
Six seasons later, and NOTHING had changed.
Star Trek Online. Nope no change.
@@barrybend7189all that I've learned about him is his first name
mewhile the person they hat the most, is selling drinks, supported his prither as the grand nagus, and likes his nephew is goign to be a starfleet officer
Honestly I love that the writers kept him the same throughout the series.
Quark remembers the 59th Rule of Acquisition - Free advice is seldom cheap.
The other element to this scene is that Quark is actually trying to bribe Garak in exchange for his silence regarding those Cardassian radicals. It's one thing I hadn't realized until I rewatched this scene years later; I thought Quark was honestly looking for a dress to curry favor with the female Cardassian - and that was true but he had ulterior motives. The layers of background that was written into DS9 was immaculate.
And ofc, the other part I hadn't noticed: Garak rejects Quark's bribe by ripping the dress and driving his point straight home. This is scene is genius.
Terry Kain | Oh, I never even knew.
Except that free advice from Garak is probably very valuable so it would be worth it.
I was just about to say that.
Fucking hell. Only DS9 could use a dress to debate the Cardassian dissident movement.
They put a story into everything in this series. A lot of people say that Gene Roddenberry would've hated DS9, but I think he'd love how "deep" and important the writers made every conversation.
Something most TV series writers are missing today, in my opinion.
Good writing
@Hurgus Burgus nothing you’d see today
@@ChrisTian-ed8ol Gene Rodenberry was a horny creep. The ridiculous TOS uniforms and the omnipresent horniness in TOS and the early TNG episodes are because of him. No one should care of what Rodenberry would think.
@@1zhehan so what your saying is that he was human?
Wait, are you one of those people who only focus on the wrongs people do, while ignoring and destroying the good they've done? If so shut up, and stop throwing away your life.
If you only focus on the darkness in this world you'll live a very sad and estranged life, only hurting others along the way. You can do better and be better.
Garak: a good example of someone with a 20 Charisma.
The character reminds me a lot of Jarlaxle.
Raptor CalloftheShadows He was my favorite character. Always knew he was more than a simple tailor.
Cardassians and Ferengi. When high diplomacy and deception meets high diplomacy and appraise.
The Bard Rogue have a conservation about fasion. Meanwhile the confused barbarian considers buying some clothes.
With a negative handicap.
The dialogue's good, but I think what really sells this scene is Andrew Robinson's typically brilliant performance as Garak. The man wears the character like a glove.
He was in character as Garak the same way as Garak was in character as a tailor.
Both these men are among two of the best in the franchise.
@@HappyBeezerStudios: you know... I have to wonder if Garak actually WANTED to be a tailor at some point in his past. He's actually good enough to do it professionally, and that takes skill. His dad was a diplomat which is why he got involved in the spy game, but I wonder if he tailored as a hobby, or even took steps to pursue it professionally and had it shot down by his father.
@@RequiemPoete His dad was head of the obsidian order... not even the central command dared challenge him.
But is it a fashionable glove?
"Falling victim to fashion" is what Garak calls it when he arranges your… "trip home to Romulus"
Well on Romulus they do have wonderful... composting techniques. One could spend eternity learning about.
@@XR171 You'll have the rest of your life to learn, if you catch my drift.
@@TheMonthlyJack My reflexes are too fast, I would catch it
@@Nevertoleave How long have you been standing there?
Actually, that would be "going out of style". No Romulan would fall victim to fashion because the fashion never changes.
Garak: "And what are you going to do, short-change them at the Dabo table?"
That awkward moment when you realize you might be in over your head.
he has money, and know people that will kill for it.
Quark survived sex with a klingon. He'll be fine.
Luis Garcia Against Garak though?
That’s like putting a pit bull up against a tiger.
@@austinboylan5476 It really depends on the conditions though. If both wanted to eliminate the other? Quark would hire the best assassins he could. Hell given his intelligence with machines even having Rom come up with some security devices would improve things greatly. So it's not really Quark vs Garak. It's whomever and whatever Quark can afford vs Garak. Though I have to say in a fight? Probably Garak, though it's hard to tell with Quark's amazingly high dumb luck in alterations.
Let's be honest, Garak outsmarted both the Obsidian Order and the Tal Shiar when they tried to kill him, despite not even knowing it was them. There's no way Quark would find an assassin capable of accomplishing what both the most ruthless intelligence agencies of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants couldn't do. I still think it was a missed opportunity on the writers part by not putting Garak against Sloan in some way
Garak: The master of saying things without saying them.
The funny thing is. That was still brilliant fashion advice. People's careers, and reputations have been ruined due to a bad fashion faux pax.
@@RequiemPoete If it's advice that can't be taken more than 1 way, chances are, it's not advice Garak would give.
Imagine him and Otto Von Bismark in the same room.
@@howardlanus8610 I would fell bad for Bismark - he would be soo outclassed :P One could even say he would be out of fashion :D
@@krzosu Most likely yes, but if there was one, ONE person who could give Garak a run for his money, mine would be Bismark.
HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY wait a minute!!! They're not talking about fashion at all, are they!?
Deehvad No...
No they aren't ..... :)
As Garak would say....How very perceptive of you...and then smile
Carl, I literally read that is Garak's voice!
How very perceptive of you. *smile*
Kardashians, I mean Cardasians don't like criticism.
Dialogues between Quark and Garak were infrequent, but pure gold pressed latinium in writing and delivery!
Worth every bar.
Yeah, I'd have loved more interaction between the two. Taking nothing away from the rest of the cast but pretty much any combo of Garak, Odo or Quark was outstanding television.
I’ve forgotten how brilliant ds9’s dialogue was. I always knew it was top notch, but after 7 years of not seeing it, I’m so surprised. It’s also sad how the quality of dialogue has declined today.
The characters were so richly developed on ST:DS9 that even a drunk barfly (Morn) had a badass backstory.
I know...he wouldn't shut up about it
The way his tongue kept flapping... Should've signed up to be a pilot!
@@ZzCanonBull I know we love to joke about Morn never shutting up, but never spoke, but didn't he actually have a reputation for being a great speech giver and singer?
I think there was even this one time when Morn actually motions to say something and immediately gets cut off.
@@RequiemPoete Morn was also apparently quite a skilled fighter despite being a raging alcoholic.
Worf said that he would miss their Bat'leth matches.
And does Worf seem like the kind of guy who would humor someone he would easily kill in a fair fight??
I love how Quark can double speak with the best double speaker in the business until he got emotional at least. Makes sense given that Quark is in league with criminal types.
Latinum tongues
We really needed an episode with Garak and Quark on a heist or some kind of criminal endeavor.
In a way, it shows that Garak has at least some level of respect for Quark. Maybe even some level of professional friendship. He could have not warned him.
Both are professional liars. Game recognises game.
When you have to make that Charisma roll but you're unsure whether to use Diplomacy or Intimidate so you end up using both.
This is exactly correct...
Garak's Diplomacy, Bluff, and Intimidate mods are all equal so much so that the GM never knows which he's actually rolling.
It would be a tragedy if she got in the way when her friends went out of fashion.
It's encouraging him to make a sense motive via an intimidate.
player : "i want to use diplomidate!"
dm : "what?"
player : "I SAID DIPLOMIDATE!"
Garak rolling natural 20's. The dice 'might' be loaded but you can't prove it
This is a greatly thought out speech for Garak "Personally I find this style a bit too...radical. But your friend seems the sort who appreciates that kind of thing." It's very subtle but very informative that's why I love Garak.
Good catch. Another subtle but heavy with subtext bit is when Garak says, "I've been in this business a long time and I know there's nothing worse than following the wrong trend." He's speaking from some pretty bitter personal experience with his fallout with Inabran Tain and the Obsidian Order.
I like how Quark was holding is own for a while there. I like it when ferengi are savvy instead if foolish.
@@jordancunningham4962 He only seems to loose track when the full implications are made manifest, and his emotions take hold.
@@jordancunningham4962 you don't negotiate a lease for the only bar on a space station by being stupid
"Oh, you'd be surprised how detrimental a poor choice of fashion can be."
Gods, I love that show.
The fact that Quark knew exactly what Garak was saying from the start. It's all over his face. And Garak just playing with him like a cat with a mouse. These two and Dukat are the reason I love DS9 so much
I always loved Major Kira. After the 2014 coup I understand why.
Don't forget Weyoun.
@@X-Prime123 aren't they all him in disguise?
@@tatianalyulkin410*coup
Don’t you mean “spontaneous uprising by freedom loving forces”?
We have to safeguard democracy, after all 😏🤫🙄
I love Garak's ability to threaten without threatening.
This is one of the great acting scenes - playing subtext to the highest degree. You can see the benefit of Armin Shimmermin and Andrew Robinson getting together on weekends at Shimmermin's house and rehearsing on their own (several members of DS9 also did the same)
The cast on DS9 sure was full of fantastic actors! Rene was able to project so much emotion even though his whole face was hidden. Nog was in 40 something episodes yet had the best arc.
They had so little screen time, and being honest, such bad scripts that they had to. This entire scene is the acting. The actual dialogue is awful. The delivery is what makes it.
DS9 had the very good luck to have some great character actors playing these minor roles, ones who valued the steady paycheck and their craft equally, and were going to make the most of their every opportunity. I just wish that someone better than Berman had been in charge who would have brought in better writers and given a damn about telling a good story.
@@KenS1267 what? The dialogue was wonderful and the writing was superb
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 No, it really wasn't. Separate the acting from the writing. Just put the text on the page and you'll see. It was crap. DS9 was the beginning of the Berman/Braga era of using a bunch of talentless hacks in the writing room. It gets worse and worse throughout the run of DS9 and is only saved because the actors are superb and the budget allowed for more CG as time went on. Voyager and Enterprise were where this really showed since they also cheaped out on casting and CG.
@@KenS1267 give me an example then of why it's shit. Don't just say it's shit. Show me the shit, really push it in my face.
"Oh hohoho...how delightful! The intricate plots, the subtle innuendo, the veiled threats, it's all so....entertaining!"
Some of the smartest dialogue in all of Star Trek.
r0ckt3hc4sb4h the nuanced subtext was very strong in that one scene! Definitely deserved an award or some other shiny accolade.
Have You seen the conversation of these two about "Root beer"? On a side note IMO, Elim Garak was(is) one of the best (if not the best) characters in DS9.
And all of television for that matter.
@Mastodon1976 We can agree on that one. But I would give an honourable place to Jeffrey Combs for all the (amazing) charakters he've played in the ST franchise (Weyun, Brunt FCA, Shran). 🖖
@@saalkz.a.9715 I loved Shran. One of the best t
Goddamn the way Garak OWNS every conversation he is in. Before the first word is initiated in dialogue, he has his opponent read like a book. MMm so good.
As a writer, I’m constantly in awe of how much of DS9’s best writing is a master class in subtext.
I really miss DS9. It had a level of complexity that no other series in the franchise could ever match.
try Babylon 5
That comes under the heading of "Irony".
I'm glad that despite similar beginnings the shows soon developed their own identities and became completely different animals.
Try watching the V Mini Series, the reboot version. It has lots of plot twists and multiple storylines!
Well no, normally it didn't, this is a rare situation. Also the other series were not very complex at all so that's a bit like saying yogi bear was smarter than the average bear.
@@90lancaster
The reason they were so simular was due to Paramount having the entire script/outline for Babylon 5 for an extended period of time as JMS was trying to get funding from them to make B5.
This is why DS9 was and is so good: Everything was so layered and complex. People give a lot of modern shows credit for that, but DS9 was doing that long ago, especially when it came to characters like Garak (and Andrew Robinson's delivery) who could speak in riddles and metaphors, but tell you exactly what you needed to hear. But it wasn't all complicated either, the Root Beer discussion with the same characters is just as brilliant. If nothing else, DS9 characters embodied different philosophies and we the audience got to witness many "what if" scenarios play out in a grim fashion.
The Root Beer discussion is legendary! What was supposed to be a bit of filler was made amazing by the Actor's performance. So much said about War and Consequence without ever saying the words! All while talking about that insidious root beer!🤔😉😁
One of the biggest reasons why Garak is the best Star Trek character of all time was how he brought out the best in every other character with whom he interacted. Bashir, Odo, Kira, Worf, O’Brien, Sisko, Quark, he challenged them all in ways that no other character did, which gave us new insight into all their personalities, and led to some of their best episodes.
Garak so often gives the people around him a clearer, better understanding of dangerous situations than their closest friends. Its not advice exactly, more like an unvarnished laying out of their options with the potential consequences. He does it without expectation of thanks too. Which is good, since almost no one ever thanks him.
"Now that you mention it.. ." I love Garak. 😁
I've watched this episode probably 6 times now but have never noticed Garak's wink at 2:44 ~
Seriously sometimes the 'between the lines mob talk' in DS9 really rivals the likes of The Sopranos and even Goodfellas.
Sopranos wished their writing was as good as many episodes DS9 had with Garak. And Sopranos never stood a chance of being as good as Goodfellas. I wish Gandolfini didn't restrict himself so much to that series. He was fantastic in Last Castle.
You know the saddest thing about this scene? You look at what happened to Cardassia during the whole Dominion War...and you realize that Garak was completely right. Can't imagine the Founders would have tolerated any dissenting opinions.
It gets a bit sadder when you really think about it. As the cardassians went from being ruled by the central command (Military control), until the new people's government was able to take control due to the Obsidian order getting massacred, and then they were invaded by the klingons for about a year. and right as things are looking better, a certain Gul betrays the new government and allies himself with the dominion, who proceeds to kill the former government.
@@brenster21 cardassia learned very little from the occupation of bajor, damar knew it, that cardassia was dead before the dominion ever took over.
That moment you realize that quark paying more than asking price was either a bribe or a underhanded move to get info out of garak
Mostly true. Though he did have rare moments of legitimate generosity when it didn't cost too much. Such as when Garak ordered a glass of some Cardassian drink and quark said, "Fuck it! Take a bottle for free. I've got cases of the crap now because I mistook how the war would go and thought I'd be selling to a station full of Cardassians." Or when he gave Garak a free sample of root beer ( Though I suppose the cost was Garak's opinion on the stuff)
@@RequiemPoete No. A ferengi NEVER gives away anything for free. Money may not have exchanged hands, but a transaction was definitely made.
@@WobblesandBean yeah, quark wanted latinum for his wine, but seeing as how that wasnt in the cards he instead bought esteem with drink. easier to make a deal with drunks anyway.
@@WobblesandBean
Sometimes an investment in goodwill is worth a little loss on paper, especially when that goodwill belongs to person as knowledgeable as Garak.
The more I think about it, though..... Quark only *ACTED* like a typical Ferengi. He put on a public facade of being a slimy, greedy greaseball.
In reality, Quark *FREQUENTLY* did the right thing.... Sometimes for a price, but sometimes not..... He may not have been actively brave in the sense of O'Brien or Worf or Jadzia, but he frequently behaved morally, compassionately and benevolently.
No, really!!! He actually did. I know he *TALKS* a good game about being Greedy and Duplicitous and Conniving(and in his defense he is), but frankly, he saved the Station at least a few times, he was wracked with guilt about selling weapons that could kill millions, he *LITERALLY* saved the entire Alpha Quadrant by springing Nog from prison, and he often just discarded or gave away things he thought would be useful or helpful to others.
He was also a good friend to Odo when Odo needed it.... Despite them being on completely opposite ends of Law and Criminality, respectively.
I swear, I have five favorite characters from DS9.
O'Brien, Odo, Quark, Jadzia and Garak.
"What are you going to do ,short change them at the dabo table?" And with that line Garak deflates Quarks false bravado to the point i think you see his lobes shrink up.
IDK, he could have been considering who he could buy to deal with any OO goons that showed up. We're talking about a barkeep that's had a major, front lines part in 3 (2 if the this was before the Dominion) wars. Quark is like that harmless old shopkeep whos actually a accomplished and never caught mob enforcer with friends in the FBI and CIA.
@@davidkelly4210 If Sisko still has hair, it's well before the Dominion War.
- he is buds with a ferrengi eliminator, and his cousin is an extremely successfful arms dealer. If he was truly crossed, he could probably even get a favor from the Grand Nagus.
@@Babidi111 While all true anything they could do would be laughably inadequacy to counter the Obsidian Order which would be the ones to do a hit on a Cardassian dissident.
@@Whatatwist2009 True. Those order guys are hardcore, but still, i just can't bring myself to not bet on Quark.
Editor: You need to rewrite this.
Writer: Why?
Editor: Garrack said something outright.
Writer: Why is that a probl-... I'll rewrite it.
Editor: Thank you.
👏👏👏 so true
i don't get it.
Zack Wolf-Fox Garak is infamous on DS9 for, among other things, being a master of vague speech and innuendo. He never gives a straight answer and is very careful to coat every word that comes out of his mouth with the same affect of forced politeness to make it harder for people to read him (it is a lot harder to tell if a man is telling a lie if he never sounds like he is telling the truth).
@@unknowntoall.8280 Especially the lies.
@@unknowntoall.8280 Oh yes, he never says it straight
Yup - it's full of delightful subtext. :) "It may be all the rage now, but in a very short time it can become tiresome - an affront to the eyes... Certain people might even find it objectionable. And then (RIP)... Nothing but rags."
+Nathan Fisk DS9 was a far better social and character study than any of the other series.
Nudge nudge, wink wink, hint hint, y'know what I mean?
God I love this interaction BECAUSE THEY KNOW EXACTLY HOW EACH OTHER COMMUNICATE. That nefarious black ops business and politics are siblings with the same language.
ITA and so called intelligent scfi trekkies who call it boring unrelatable or ignor it as purist Roddenberry fans, I have no time for. Hell even as a more purist Star Wars original trilogy fan, tho I don't really enjoy watching them respects and understands the positives of the Prequels and tell people they need to see them atleast once or twice top understand the 'Universe/Lore'.
I'm a conservative and I never had a problem with it. And I appreciated the brutal realism it sometimes delivered. For example, how Kira may have bravely fought tooth and nail against the ruthless invaders for years, but she was a small annoyance. Meanwhile they'd go out, exterminating Bajorans in their droves with no resistance. Reminds me of a quote, I think it's from Star Trek, can't quite remember. "The day 'so-and-so' gave the order to exterminate your village, the day that completely changed the course of your life, for him it was a tuesday."
"What are you going to do, shortchange them at the dabo table?" lol
Dane Parker Ouch, cuts deep.
The best part is that Garak wasn't even trying to insult him. He was merely reminding Quark that he isn't suited to make threats against the people involved.
For a guy who prefers lies to truth, he's a master of brutal honesty.
Quark could offer a similar answer as he did in "The House of Quark" (S3E03):
"If that happens, I'll stand up, look them straight in the eye…and offer them a bribe"
So savage♨😂😂
Two of the best actors on television at the time. I loved Garak and Quark. Both were FASCINATING and deep characters. They had so many secrets. But in complete Shakespearean fashion, they spoke one thing, but their true alternate meaning was always crystal clear. It was always a joy to see them on the screen.
Garak is the epitome of "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" ...love him and Cardassians in general!
The subtle innuendo, the veiled threats, its all so entertaining
Not a threat so much as a warning to Quark he was in over his head, and needed to be careful. There were powers at work who wouldn't think twice about eliminating a bartender in order to get the ones they wanted.
Not gonna LIE... these were my two FAVORITE Characters of the whole show. Their banter was so well written and their acting chops delivered fantastically......
Quark trying to intimidate Garak of all people?! XD
Love makes you crazy brave.
Quark isn't really that well understood - I think Nog had some idea of what he was really like - and some of his lady friends & Jadzia - but most of the rest of the station was quite clueless - perhaps eventually Odo got the gist - but it took him more than a decade of knowing him to get it.
Sisko or Worf were pretty clueless - if they did anything for him it was more out of pity than friendship.
It would be interesting to know how much of Quark's true Character Garek was aware of - it could have been all of it - or he could have simply not tale a lot of interest - but I think Garak at least is more than bright enough to see there is more to him.
I like that They made Bashir what he was - as it actually helped the reasons for Garek to take an interest in him to come across as more intellectual curiosity and not that he just thought Bashir was a hot twink.
Quark and Garak don't often interact, maybe a little representative of Ferengi and Cardassians not exactly seeing eye to eye, but they're both intelligent, perceptive, social and make a point of keeping track of where the wind is blowing.
@@hibbidyjibbidyy I know he gives the reason as being a 'people person' for not going into weapons, but I really think it's more that he didn't want to peddle death
He was one of the bravest on DS9, fought above his weight more times than anyone else. Even stayed on DS9 when he should have left.
Ah, Garak. Probably the best character who has ever been in _Star Trek._
Dukat ?
-but he's just a simple tailor.
@@90lancaster dukat was ruined in the final episodes after Demar shoots the girl. Otherwise I'd agree
"Plain... Simple Garak..."
Was anything but!
Remember your Oscar Wilde,
_"The Pure and Simple Truth is rarely pure, and NEVER simple."_
I'm certain he was speaking of Garak!😁
Elim Garek was an important reason why DS9 was so enjoyable. One never knew what he'd do or say next, but whatever it was one could count on it being witty, full of double meaning, and very entertaining. His last appearance in the show's final episode went a long way to understanding his personal motivations: it's possible to love one's culture and people while loathing it's leadership and governance. Sadly, it's a situation with which I've often found myself facing.
That is the World I find myself in today. Despising a Criminal Cartel in a certain Capitol, while loving my Country and it's imperfect History.
It's worst critics ignore the fact other countries also have tainted histories. Many much WORSE than this one!
Although I cannot find it easy to hate them for their ignorance; being brainwashed by a CULT is not really the fault of the Victim. Especially when it begins in their early years, when they're barely able to function on their own. This grooming is a true Crime against Humanity. So in spite of their often hate-filled rhetoric, I love my people. They do make that difficult at times! Especially when they resort to Criminal behaviors themselves. Leave that to the Politicians!
That said, I am not a politician, celebrity, or Billionaire Oligarch, so there is nothing I can do to change it. I am in exile, yet I remain in country. It's an odd situation, to be certain. Even if I had the resources to leave this country, there are none I really care to go to; as they are much WORSE than this one! I have looked, and given it serious consideration!
Dwelling on such thoughts have given me many years of sleepless nights, so I usually avoid them. Your comment struck a nerve, and brought them out of the vault. Not to worry! You'd be surprised what triggers them. It's why I don't watch the "news". It's nothing more than propaganda from the Cartel itself! Why watch that?! A better investment of one's time is reading a good book! But I digress.
This is exactly why I find Garak so relatable. I'm stuck in a place I really don't want to be, but there is NO better place to go to! So I'm stuck in a menial job, with no choice but to take life day by day. Hope is a thing of the past. Tomorrow becomes yesterday so quickly one wonders what happened to today. This life often feels more like a prison sentence than an opportunity for fun and growth. Oh well, there aren't many years remaining. Honestly, many days I feel, and have said aloud....
_"Death cannot be this busy!"_ 🙄
Cheers!🥃
Honestly two of the best (or at least most interesting) characters in Star Trek and a very well-written and acted scene.
Andy Robinson, and frankly most of the regular cast and writers deserve some serious credit and awards for their fantastic performances and writing!
This conversation is GENIUS, it stretches on for SOOOOO long and yet the superficial veil and the subtext BOTH manage to be perfectly coherent in meaning throughout! 10/10 for whoever wrote it!
The most terrifying clothing tear in Star Trek. Even including TOS.
Not much of a tailor if it rips that easy. ;)
@@qdllc Maybe Cardassians are just stronger than humans - not an uncommon thing for Star Trek
qdllc A neck is much harder to snap, and we know that Garak is fully capable of that (and Quark knows that too). 😉
@@qdllc A tailor with experience would know an item, any item, well enough to know the weaker points, no matter the quality.
@@JohnZ117 - Perhaps, but there are sewing tools to undo seams quickly. Ripping risks damaging the fabric beyond use.
Quark: Deception roll 16
Garak: Insight roll 17
Quark: Appraise roll 20
Quark: Depiction: 14
Garak: Insight 18
Garak: Diplomacy 20
Quark: Intimation roll 1
Winner: Garak
The lesson kids? Don't assume just because your the face that you'll always best others in the art of intrigue & never forget a high Wisdom beats a High Charisma any day of the week.
Hakageryuu
I typed it out on a flip phone man, give me a break.
@@Mister-Thirteen you were able to type "don't" which means you shouldn't have had any issues with typing "you're". Wisdom beats empty charisma yet again!
DABO!
I've always loved how Quark tries to physically intimidate Garak and no point does he show even the slightest concern, simply a look of "oh, THIS ought to be amusing..."
Well, the character could just snap his neck. Awful sound.
Quark is very good, when it comes to the intricacies of speechcraft, well above average for his people.
But Garak... is in an entirely different league!
Moments like this don't seem that big, until you've watched all the episodes and realize how terrifying Garak truly is. He is a kaiju on a very short leash, and here Quark is poking at him gently to see if he's in the mood to destroy everything today
Garak is easily the best character on the show. I love how they use innuendo and implication rather than direct speak. very intelligent show.
The writers of these layered episodes were very talented!
It is astounding how an otherwise random scene from DS9 blows just about anything in the franchise today out of the water, when it comes to the writing and performances. I've seen this scene many times and it is still riveting. Amazing.
what an amazing scene. you can just feel the undertones of danger in this conversation.
This, people, are good writing!
Scenes with Garak and Quark are always amazing. DS9 had many amazing characters and even then, Quark and Garak stood out.
Love this scene, the writing is phenomenal, Quark going into Garak's shop thinking his shrewd negotiating experience put him on equal footing with Garak...and then quickly realizing he is way out of his league. DS9 is just so good at times!
This is one of many things I love about DS9 the intellect and the thought that goes into the scrips and the actors that makes the show itself amazing
I love how the dialogue of this entire scene is subtext for a whole different conversation, usually you throw in a phrase here and there but to have an entire scene that is nothing but subtle subtext was great.
Now this is a masterclass in small screen sci fi and how to do it right !!!!!!! ... so good
I love that there's two entirely separate conversations running at the same time and it's just two people talking. On the surface it's just a simple and near-friendly business conversation, but underneath it's anything but.
And their acting, was superb.
Garak is the epitome of being an intelligent gentleman.
The Rules of Acquisition clearly state, "Never trust a benevolent Ferengi."
I would love to see Jack Sparrow face up against Quark.
And free advice is seldom free
The freaking TENSION in this scene
I mean the subtle tension
while the narrative is focused on fashion the subtle and not so subtle writing makes it clear...damn I LOVED and LOVE this show.
"short-change them at the Dabo table" is genius.
Andrew is a treasure. These characters resonate. DS9 was that deal.
I'm 48, been watching Trek since I was old enough to remember. I always watched STO with my grandma in the living room and while every series had it charms (even Voyager 😆) I have to say that Deep Space 9 had the strongest cast and some of the best writing.
I really enjoyed how the show fused the classic Star trek style and feel with the fixed location for the main set of Babylon 5.
Sure, a ship allows you to travel to places that a station cannot but DS9 also berthed a number of capable federation sloops and even a cutting edge, interdictor with cloaking tech. DS9 had it all, I just wish the writers had had two seasons to tie everything off and come to a clean conclusion.
They thought they were getting another season as the last season began and found out the show wasn't being renewed; they had to try and wrap it all up with that crazy final season, it's why it felt so wierd compared to the rest.
Agreed. That last season was so rushed.
I love how they have a conversation that's about something else.
You can never have just a simple conversation with Garak.
He's not simple. Why expect simple conversation or behavior?
Garak is the kind of person who could insult your mother and threatened your life, but phrase it in such a way that you would feel compelled to thank him for such a generous compliment.
well it gets to show you that if you feel like thanking Garak your provably shouldn't.
So the dress was roughly $170 and he offered $200? That was probably one of the biggest jaw drops I had that season.
Yeah. I wish I had caught on it was a bribe. It took seeing someone here pointing it out.
@@RequiemPoete It was NOT a bribe it was Quark doing a little fishing to see where Garak's feelings and intentions were toward the dissidents onboard. If Garak took the latinum and said nothing it would have been clear that his opinions mirrored those of the Obsidian order and Garak could have been a real threat to them and a possible assassin. By giving all that advice to Quark Garak is saying he does not agree with the Order and that Quarks friends are in danger and Quark should warn them.
Hard to place, but seventeen bars is more like dropping thousands.
There is so much going on in this dialogue...brilliant, I miss DS9
DS9 and B5 had so many parallels. Not only in the premise of a station on the verge of (and eventually embroiled in) interstellar war, but in the fact they took great pride in developing characters, stories and carefully building blocks seasons ahead of when they might be needed.
This is one of the reasons why DS9 is the best part of the Star Trek universe. 🙌✨
"How uncharacteristically generous for a Ferengi."
Star Trek has so much casual racism in it, it's found in even the most benign exchanges on the show.
How is that racist ? Did you even read about the Ferengi culture ?
@@saintq3888 If I said how uncharacteristically generous for a (insert race, species, anything) etc... I just love how in Star Trek the can drop bombs. Hell 'You're very perceptive, for a Cardassian' got dropped casually in this conversation. Lol Think you've just grown numb to it.
@@saintq3888 But I probably shouldn't expect a Caucasian to understand. 🤣
@@Krystalmyth Ha, by your own definition you are racist ! But still, you glided over my first question. Your example is null. Ferengi are greedy little humanoids, so when one is generous it's noteworthy !
SaintQ that’s a little speciest to generalise like that
These two really should have had more scenes together. The way Armin and Andrew play off each other is nothing short of brilliant.
Garak was so well written and performed. Genuinely spooks you on occasion.
"And what are you going to do? Short change them at the dabo table?"
Garak pulling that 20 roll on intimidation
Only time I ever flinched just because someone tore a fricken dress :P Garak is creepy lol
The best character.
Well he was once a member of the Obsidian Order....not to mention a serial killer in San Fransisco at the start of his career, LOL!
You could almost hear the sound of meat slicing when the knife gets drawn across the throat when he tore it didn't ya?
You know he can make it a good as new again.
@@jinxiejae Yes because you know what the sad thing is? He is a really good tailor.
The dynamic between the two characters was intense. I loved DS9.
My two favorite actors of DS9 and possibly all of Star Trek.
"Garak. He saw you?"
"Yes..."
"Well, then. There's nothing we can do, you're a dead woman walking."
An entire conversation couched in subtext. I LOVE the writing for this show!
DS9 --- the star trek series where humans took a back-seat to the aliens (and it was awesome to watch!)
That why this will NEVER get old.
Nothing spoken directly, mystery and game of words.
Brilliant!
"...victim, of fashion." my God I love Garak and DS9
People bagged on DS9 but I liked how you had deeper development of the characters and the story lines since it was located on a station versus a ship that was always somewhere new every episode.
Can't have Star Trek without Starship - sorry. Sure thing, aside for being trashed by B5 fans, showing Federation had other infrastructure was vital. But DS9 wouldn't survive in today's TV beyond 1st, 2nd season at most - Roddenberry knew what he was doing when he designed show to have short story arcs. Look at Firefly, SG:U... 1st two seasons were necessity for worldbuilding for demanding viewer. Most viewers, however are NOT that demanding. And just like TNG, show started to find its legs on 3rd-4th season. I like the way all series are complementary toward each other, with their respective merits.
Someone said that instead of physically going on a journey on a ship, on DS9 each of the characters went on their own journeys to find themselves and to develop. over the course of the 7 seasons, each character learned so much about themselves.
@ vampov
I think what most Star Trek fans dislked about DS9 was the fact that it was (or became) a deconstruction of classic Star Trek (will the idealism survive War). Not everybody likes deconstruction and not everybody agrees with the conclusions the series writers came from.
I for example as a federation citizen would have been pissed of at Sisko for throwing away everything we stand for in the episode "In the Pale Moonlight" just to save our lives, if he wants to act like a caveman he is free to do, but he shouldn't use the lives of others as an excuse, it's just pathetic.
p.s.
I wasn't trying to use cavemen in a historic way, I have no way to prove if they actually were as uncivilised as Sisko in that episode and wouldn't assume to guess. It was just a metaphor.
p.p.s
I have no problem with DS9 it may be my favourite TV series of all time, I just like trashing Sisko "in a loving way" for that episode.
One of the best double speak conversations i have *ever* heard in my life. Real or not.
It's coded language.
You hear that alot
" Good schools "
"Less crime"
Every single line of Garak's should be punctuated with Morn running in and shouting "OH, SNAP!"
Morn was great. I just wish he wasn't such a blabbermouth! The guy never shut up once in seven years!!!😉😁
Garak was the consistent highlight of this show. He had that subtlety with his words, to imply things without saying too much. He also cared in his own way, choosing to do things like how he's doing them here. He's warning Quark of things to come and reminding him that he's not exactly the type to throw hands when it comes time. It's a beautiful bit of character work that Andrew Robinson does an amazing job with.
Garak's keenly honed charismatic charm vs. Quark's uncharacteristic subtextual display. Garak + Quark = charm quark.
I fucking love the chemistry this two characters have. When Garak talks with any other character he always has the upper hand but with Quark he always has to struggle to win a conversation
The acting and writing in this show is so good you can't pick a favorite character
DM: so do you use diplomacy or intimidation to persuade the ferengi?
Garak: YES
the whole conversation between both of them is just layers of implication mixed with subtlety. They know how to navigate their environment.
1:40
Wow.
Dam that is subtle, holy shit, this verbal sparr with quark and garak is well written.
"Of anyone tries to harm her they'll have to deal with me.""And what are you going to do? Short-change them at the dabo table?"
Wow, I didn't know what Garak was implying until rewatching this scene later, after seeing the whole episode...