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  • Опубликовано: 2 янв 2012
  • Quark, a Ferengi, uses the Third Rule of Acquisition to convince a Vulcan working with the terrorist group, the "Maquis", that peace at any price is illogical.

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  • @ClickBeetleTV
    @ClickBeetleTV 3 года назад +17428

    I like to think that Quark wasn't concerned about the war so much as he can't stand watching people practice bad business

    • @dark0blade
      @dark0blade 3 года назад +1059

      i think it was more along the lines of that the war was causing his clientel to diminish at his bar

    • @DanWeeks
      @DanWeeks 3 года назад +815

      The brilliance of the Free Market is that it incentivizes even the "wrong" people to do the "right" thing.

    • @vaelophisnyx9873
      @vaelophisnyx9873 3 года назад +491

      @@DanWeeks ah if only this were true and the Free Market were real, if it were as godlike and powerful at forcing hands as it is claimed to be.

    • @crocfighter.1322
      @crocfighter.1322 3 года назад +428

      @@DanWeeks The free market can accomplish almost anything. But people are reluctant to use it because they misunderstand “free”. It does not mean no oversight, it means you give it a goal (make good behaviour profitable somehow, taxing bad behaviour is popular) and then you sit back and watch it bend to meet the demands and you don’t interfere. The means are left free, the end goal though needs to be provided.

    • @PackerBronco
      @PackerBronco 3 года назад +100

      War is bad for business unless you're Quark's cousin ...

  • @stoybenxi7395
    @stoybenxi7395 4 года назад +5080

    Quark had sex with a Klingon, dissed a Vulcan with logic, and regularly outplays humans with his antics, Quark is OP

    • @TheN9nth
      @TheN9nth 4 года назад +249

      Don't forget the House of Quark!

    • @jasoncarto
      @jasoncarto 4 года назад +173

      Quark is a bit of a strange one of his kind. Not all Ferengis are like Quark

    • @TheN9nth
      @TheN9nth 4 года назад +160

      @@tek512 Well he did own a copy of "Vulcan Love Slave, Part II: The Revenge."

    • @spencersonnefeld
      @spencersonnefeld 4 года назад +115

      He's the bartender. He does whatever he wants and no one cares as long as it's legal.

    • @aylix2137
      @aylix2137 4 года назад +275

      A very good point, and notice that the greatest of each species in the Trek verse are those who do not reject nor blindly follow their race’s ways. Spock learned that logic is only the beginning of wisdom, Worf learned that a true warrior knows when to extend the hand of diplomacy, Picard was capable of sound judgement but never blinded by his own opinions, and Quark knew the the hyper-utilitarian philosophy of the ferengi could be used to answer far more than greed as evidenced by this scene. These characters embody what makes Star Trek so great, in a world where one side clings to the good of the past and the other yearns for the possibilities of the future, Picard’s beautiful statement cuts through the noise, ‘there should be room enough for both in this life’.

  • @montithered4741
    @montithered4741 Год назад +4330

    “Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.” -Quark

    • @Iinvest2day
      @Iinvest2day Год назад +83

      True, but war is good for business

    • @matthewgobbett
      @matthewgobbett Год назад +251

      @@Iinvest2day true, the 34th rule of acquisition does state that war is good for business, but the 35th rule of acquisition states that peace is good for business.

    • @japzone
      @japzone Год назад +133

      "I play both sides. That way I always win."

    • @IsaiahRichards692
      @IsaiahRichards692 Год назад +85

      “The Kardashians can’t be trusted.” -Quark

    • @v11a03
      @v11a03 Год назад +22

      Huh, that's basically what's going on between palestine and israel

  • @cyberlord64
    @cyberlord64 2 года назад +3191

    "The Kardashians can't be trusted"
    This series is cosmological decades ahead of it's time

    • @blenderbanana
      @blenderbanana Год назад +61

      They can be trusted to be conniving and proud. Give them an empty box, in exchange for not bombarding their world.

    • @jeffdauscha1436
      @jeffdauscha1436 Год назад +28

      I feel like starting several RUclips accounts just to like this comment even more.
      I couldn’t help but hear the same thing 😅

    • @xkm-thebasetecchannel3823
      @xkm-thebasetecchannel3823 Год назад +28

      Cardassians.

    • @RuralTowner
      @RuralTowner Год назад

      Mmmm....does it really matter? There is a certain level of mirrored traits. @@xkm-thebasetecchannel3823

    • @7ropz
      @7ropz Год назад +33

      someone send Kanye this video

  • @hagamapama
    @hagamapama 3 года назад +5771

    The more we see of ordinary Vulcans, the more we realize that it was actually Spock who was just that awesome.

    • @robwalsh9843
      @robwalsh9843 3 года назад +134

      Vulcans are a sad people. So much of their philosophy is based on hypocrisy.

    • @immortalfrieza
      @immortalfrieza 3 года назад +674

      It's made clear very quickly that Vulcans aren't anywhere near as logical and unemotional as they like to pretend they are.

    • @batt3ryac1d
      @batt3ryac1d 2 года назад +100

      Vulcans love to pretend they aren't emotional but they're the biggest fucking drama queens in the galaxy.

    • @toddsmitts
      @toddsmitts 2 года назад +363

      @@robwalsh9843 The same was true of the Klingons and their supposed reverence for "honor", as we saw in TNG and DS9. Societies rarely live up to the ideals they espouse.

    • @mho...
      @mho... 2 года назад +39

      He was half Human afterall!

  • @Chirpysemperboy
    @Chirpysemperboy 3 года назад +5307

    Quark is the only person I know who can educate a Klingon about honor and school a Vulcan about logic.

    • @justinarzola8923
      @justinarzola8923 2 года назад +310

      he is what all ferengi could be but choose not to be

    • @andrewmurschel2608
      @andrewmurschel2608 2 года назад +78

      You know Quark?!

    • @funkmantim2661
      @funkmantim2661 2 года назад +26

      There are Four kinds of Ferengi you should fear
      The businessman who can school everyone else in their own fields of business but not himself
      The FCA Member who can find the slightest flaw in your business and manipulate it
      The Negus who can completely wipe your bloodline with just a few tosses of latinum
      And that one crazy bastard of a Ferengi who is more of a threat than Jem'hedar running low on Ketracel White

    • @buttonsfan
      @buttonsfan 2 года назад +37

      Damn that’s just facts

    • @jasons2023
      @jasons2023 2 года назад +15

      @@funkmantim2661 Quark, Brunt, Zek, and Leck.

  • @rockfan243
    @rockfan243 Год назад +3056

    "I am a vulcan my emotional state is irrelevant"
    "Well I'm a ferengi and my emotional state is very relevant"
    Honestly best counter to vulcans getting on a high horse regarding emotions lol

    • @xLoLRaven
      @xLoLRaven Год назад +183

      A quote I once heard on a forum... "Facts don't care about your feelings until feelings don't care about your facts." It just seems really relevant to this particular discussion.

    • @ralek592
      @ralek592 Год назад +70

      @@xLoLRaven Yo that's legendary. After this im gonna be quoting this like..
      "A quote I once heard from a RUclips comment on a dated TV show that once heard it on a forum"

    • @xLoLRaven
      @xLoLRaven Год назад +19

      @@ralek592 And the legend continues on!

    • @trowawayacc
      @trowawayacc Год назад +5

      Whiel to you it seems like a bother she is propably stating the obvious. Like she probably does not mean it that way.

    • @jweav151
      @jweav151 Год назад +19

      "Do you propose to lecture me on logic?" 1 min. later... "I find this very confusing." Quark FTW!

  • @kanedathe28th93
    @kanedathe28th93 2 года назад +3758

    “Peace can be bought at a bargain price and you don’t even realize it!”
    That’s deep and powerful.

    • @horusluprecal1144
      @horusluprecal1144 Год назад +99

      "Peace sells, but who's buying?" - Dave Mustaine

    • @yolkonut6851
      @yolkonut6851 Год назад +95

      This gives me a haunting reminder of when Russia asked to join NATO and we said no. Then we invited near every neighboring country to Russia wne we promised we wouldn't.

    • @IsaiahRichards692
      @IsaiahRichards692 Год назад +26

      “The Kardashians can’t be trusted.” -Quark

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 Год назад

      A capitalist would see the war as an endless growing business with no limitation.

    • @ThePhantomStinker
      @ThePhantomStinker Год назад +47

      34th rule of acquisition: "War is good for business".
      35th rule of acquisition: "Peace is good for business".
      Both of these statements are true, albeit in completely opposing ways.
      War is good for business, but only if you're an arms dealer.
      Peace is good for business, UNLESS you're an arms dealer.
      Quark once mused that his brother made a fortune enough to buy his own moon by selling weapons. So I'll bet whenever Quark hears that a shipment of weapons was intercepted, or that an arms dealer has been arrested or assassinated by the other side, it's at least a bit cathartic for him.

  • @cbeasy1995
    @cbeasy1995 2 года назад +5957

    "I know the Kardashians can't be trusted"
    He knew, he could see the future, and he warned us... We've failed him...

    • @brandenmcgee5125
      @brandenmcgee5125 2 года назад +31

      There's a big difference between the Kardashians and the Cardassians.
      One is a hideous race of aliens seeking to conquer all they survey through fraud and deceit.
      The other is from Star Trek.

    • @ajusino2324
      @ajusino2324 2 года назад +74

      @@brandenmcgee5125 chefs kiss

    • @ambrose1724
      @ambrose1724 2 года назад +79

      In everyone's defense, nobody expects Space Satan Dukat

    • @Dawid.Wu_
      @Dawid.Wu_ 2 года назад +152

      I scrolled down specifically for this comment, I was not disappointed

    • @NormanNorthman
      @NormanNorthman 2 года назад +17

      @@Dawid.Wu_ me too 👏

  • @hydewhyte4364
    @hydewhyte4364 4 года назад +5290

    This whole conversation takes place for only one reason ... Quark doesn't sell weapons.

    • @chrispile3878
      @chrispile3878 3 года назад +252

      But at one point, he did.... But he screwed his cousin Galen over to get out of the biz.

    • @erichanastacio9695
      @erichanastacio9695 3 года назад +331

      Quark is more of a people person... and not a merchant of death

    • @ericwalsh2954
      @ericwalsh2954 3 года назад +143

      @@erichanastacio9695 yeah he find people are much cheeper to move around and you barely have to advertise

    • @995cool
      @995cool 3 года назад +103

      @@erichanastacio9695 less people means less customers

    • @KevinFields777
      @KevinFields777 3 года назад +29

      @@995cool ... which means your services are now at a premium.

  • @myriadmediamusings
    @myriadmediamusings 10 месяцев назад +452

    Oh dear Quark is in such a state that he’s willing to GIVE a copy of the rules instead of selling!

    • @Harold-hm3ri
      @Harold-hm3ri 7 месяцев назад +62

      He never said it was a Full copy

    • @SaurabhKudterkar
      @SaurabhKudterkar 6 месяцев назад +39

      The Rules of Acquisition are free for whoever wants to read them.
      Besides, you're missing the point. Quark was looking to sell his solution. The Rules of Acquisition was just enticement.

    • @KarlRoyale
      @KarlRoyale 6 месяцев назад +6

      If she were to ask later he would say, "Here I'll give you THIS copy at a bargain price. Just two bars, at that it's a GIFT!"

    • @artyd42
      @artyd42 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@KarlRoyale At this point in time a complete list of the Rules of Acquisition are freely possible to look up on all Federation databases. WE don't have that yet... Memory Alpha has all the ones that we know of...

    • @heorhi4663
      @heorhi4663 5 месяцев назад +5

      Most likely he thinks it will benefit him in a long run.

  • @MarklovesAngels
    @MarklovesAngels 9 месяцев назад +342

    This is so well-written. Especially the sudden humor. "They have weapons, you have weapons (throws up hands) everyone has weapons!"

    • @MRJK87.
      @MRJK87. 8 месяцев назад +14

      Oprah

    • @LulaJake
      @LulaJake 8 месяцев назад +4

      Ira Steven Behr is a very talented writer.

    • @CrniWuk
      @CrniWuk 6 месяцев назад +5

      Quark has a relative that owns a moon due to everyone having weapons.

    • @simonfrederiksen104
      @simonfrederiksen104 5 месяцев назад +1

      0:54 Ehm - He was gonna GIVE her a copy.

    • @angeloriolo9918
      @angeloriolo9918 5 месяцев назад +4

      Its data probably it cost nothing, she with the book could be a better customer and good customers are like latinum, hes getting latinum for nothing

  • @snatchadams69
    @snatchadams69 5 лет назад +6017

    Rule of Acquisition 34: War is good for business...
    Rule of Acquisition 35: Peace is good for business...

    • @godking
      @godking 5 лет назад +1053

      War is good for business in the short run. Peace is good for business in the long run.

    • @TheKyrix82
      @TheKyrix82 5 лет назад +128

      @Thelondonbadger hasn't turned up in any history I've come across that wasn't written by a conspiracy theorist

    • @TherealLaserdog
      @TherealLaserdog 5 лет назад +160

      @Thelondonbadger starting a racist rant on youtube comment sections, you must have a giant brain

    • @halo3odst
      @halo3odst 5 лет назад +105

      Rule of acquisition #63, for every business there is an equal of opposite gender.

    • @tolfan4438
      @tolfan4438 5 лет назад +17

      I think it's worth noting that war comes before peace

  • @Virtuoso80
    @Virtuoso80 4 года назад +5441

    "I am a Vulcan, my emotional state is irrelevant. My eye makeup, on the other hand, is faaaaabulous."

    • @tonoornottono
      @tonoornottono 4 года назад +76

      hibbidyjibbidyy it is also illogical to choose a mate based on aesthetic value. Vulcan marriages are arranged anyway. I’ve always thought the way that they do vulcan’s and all other species makeup is very stupid in trek. They’re aliens they have different aesthetic values!

    • @karlojara
      @karlojara 4 года назад +3

      🤣🤣

    • @dirus3142
      @dirus3142 4 года назад +72

      @@tonoornottono They are bipedal humanoids. They would have similar values to humans, especially if they are mammals.
      The blue eye shadow I never considered makeup. I always assumed it was a tint in the skin. However it could be makeup. It might be a hold over from centuries past. Presenting yourself with hygienic confidence, and dignity has logic to it. It shows a self discipline, and care, which can translate to work ethic. Also Vulcans do have emotions. They can run deep, but they are there.
      Then consider it is a TV show. Every thing must be filtered through the rule of "what looks good on camera".

    • @tonoornottono
      @tonoornottono 4 года назад +11

      Dirus If make-up is a marker of discipline and work ethic, why do we never see male vulcans wearing makeup? Personally I just see it as the costume department not really seeing the point. Though obviously there were standards for how women should look on camera I think it’s sort of weird that a culture like that would have specific feminine or masculine rituals of dress.

    • @quillquickcard8824
      @quillquickcard8824 3 года назад +17

      She was on a Federation station doing business with a Ferengi male. Logic suggests that being conservatively dressed and appearing attractive would yield the best deal.

  • @billbadson7598
    @billbadson7598 2 года назад +970

    I like the idea of the Ferengi philosophy being kind of a steelman argument for market capitalism. Sure, they’re as prone as anyone else to being wrong about things and to being sometimes blinded to the pragmatic reality of a situation by their philosophical idealism, but at least the series goes to great lengths to show their philosophy is coherent and mostly arrived at in good faith.

    • @sevenman9672
      @sevenman9672 2 года назад

      Call it something like 'floating-point utilitarianism' and you'd have today's philosophers falling over themselves to endorse it.

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 Год назад +167

      DS9 also makes it clear that it *is* a philosophy, not some innate trait of their species. Like, it isnt inevitable that Ferengi will all behave this way, and their society can change.

    • @BTG514
      @BTG514 Год назад +27

      @@seekingabsolution1907 And does change.

    • @Furluge
      @Furluge Год назад +40

      They have a lot of bad advice for anyone trying to maximize profits as I recall which leads to them constantly having to find new markets which aren't wise to them. If they were really a steel man argument you think they would have figured out how to manage their business better than our real world ones do.

    • @billbadson7598
      @billbadson7598 Год назад +65

      @@Furluge I think a big part is recognizing that writers are not experts on all things they write about, especially fiction writers. To me it feels as if the _intent_ is to portray them as more or less sincerely caring about their philosophy and living productively by it. Of course, since they're all individuals, some care more than others, and some are just plainly more selfish and greedy than others, but there are greedy human space communists too.

  • @armandomartinez2291
    @armandomartinez2291 11 месяцев назад +316

    This one scene changed the Ferengi in my eyes. The Rules of Acquisition are made to be interpreted to fit any situation. They aren't just greedy money hungry space scammers.

    • @rushthezeppelin
      @rushthezeppelin 10 месяцев назад +37

      You know I'd take a Ferengi any day over the people with the car warranty scam or the "we are about to sue you" scam.

    • @benjaminshropshire2900
      @benjaminshropshire2900 9 месяцев назад +53

      I'm sure Armin Shimerman would be happy to hear that. IIRC one of the major reason that he took the role is that he played two Ferengi in TNG seasons 1&2 and was really up unhappy with how poorly the Ferengi were written there and Quark gave him an opportunity to correct that failure.

    • @blackjac5000
      @blackjac5000 7 месяцев назад +11

      My work E-mail signature has the 58th Rule on it. A coworker who saw it said he's fond of the 99th.

    • @armandomartinez2291
      @armandomartinez2291 7 месяцев назад

      @@benjaminshropshire2900 i would love to get the opportunity to tell him that one day

    • @armandomartinez2291
      @armandomartinez2291 7 месяцев назад +7

      @@blackjac5000 not gonna lie had to look both of them up

  • @justinbriley2531
    @justinbriley2531 4 года назад +4256

    to everyone complaining about Quark "giving" her a copy of the rules, they aren't a gift, he's creating a debt.
    "Remember that time I help you with that logic problem, then gave you gift of insight? well now you owe me."

    • @olinseats4003
      @olinseats4003 3 года назад +559

      It's also advantageous for him to spread the rules around for two reasons: First, it means in future interactions they'll have a common language and jargon which facilitates business. Second, that common language is one he's been schooled in since birth, She may learn it, but he lives and breathes it. In any dealings that can be boiled down to trade jargon, he will have an innate advantage

    • @ShogunMongol
      @ShogunMongol 3 года назад +153

      I propose a counter argument, from what I remember, he wanted to have sex with her, so this him paving the road to sex with a gift.

    • @CrownRock1
      @CrownRock1 3 года назад +278

      Rule 59: Free advice is seldom cheap.

    • @marcsmart2820
      @marcsmart2820 3 года назад +130

      Rule 111 treat those in you debt like family exploit them

    • @dashiellgillingham4579
      @dashiellgillingham4579 3 года назад +61

      He might also be said to be purchasing an outcome he desires by paying for it with this information.

  • @CatalinaEX
    @CatalinaEX 5 лет назад +4218

    "You want to teach a Vulcan on logic?"
    "I don't want to but you leave me no choice "
    WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    • @StanfordChiou
      @StanfordChiou 5 лет назад +135

      "I'm about to end this man's whole career."

    • @Strykerx31
      @Strykerx31 4 года назад +28

      ~slaps the person next to me
      Watch This...

    • @catsndogs98
      @catsndogs98 4 года назад +8

      I wanted to thumbs up but even Satan approves of this guy (right now it has 666 likes)

    • @ItWatchesWithoutEyes
      @ItWatchesWithoutEyes 4 года назад +59

      *sigh*
      "Then I'll make it so simple that even a Vulcan can understand."

    • @t850terminator
      @t850terminator 4 года назад +14

      Thats a BOI moment right there

  • @TheSwordfish009
    @TheSwordfish009 2 года назад +920

    0:38 "Do you propose that YOU lecture ME on logic?" Her subtle tonal cues shows she's losing control of her emotions and thus her emotional state is relevant.
    Quark knows exactly how to manipulate her by attacking what Vulcans hold most dear to them. Vulcans are just as emotional as anyone else. Possibly even more so.

    • @mlirwin8572
      @mlirwin8572 Год назад +90

      They are indeed. Their strict controls over their emotions (except in situations like this one 😁) came about because, in their history, they were on the verge of wiping themselves out due to letting their emotions run wild.

    • @Kadarro85
      @Kadarro85 Год назад +28

      one would say, they are a vulcan(o) of emotions :D ready to blow :D

    • @crackwitz
      @crackwitz Год назад +17

      Ponfarr night at the Vulcan nightclub is like the Pompeii volcano eruption except it isn't ashes

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain Год назад +13

      It’s like when you go after a woke person with facts n logic and they only way they can defend themselves is screaming at you.

    • @Anomaly188
      @Anomaly188 Год назад +32

      This scene shows a potential weakness that ANY Vulcan can fall prey to: They spend so much mental energy reigning in their emotions that they run the risk of getting caught in the weeds and fail to completely analyze their situation. Notice her answer when Quark asks her how much she's willing to pay for peace? "Whatever it costs," is not an answer, it's an empty platitude better suited for a grandstanding politician than an experienced negotiator. A skilled negotiator always goes in with a goal in mind, concessions and peace offerings they're willing to hand over to keep parties engaged and build trust, and a firmly established line that they're not willing to cross because it would cost them too much in terms of leverage and bargaining power. She doesn't have any of those 3 tenants established in her head, so she's completely unprepared and willing to walk to into a potential negotiation blind and at a disadvantage for the sake of 'Peace." One could only guess how badly the Kardassians would've tried to fleece her and screw over the Federation colonists for the sake of her wish for 'peace.' Or, as Quark posits, she attacks the Kardassians and causes an intergalactic incident that leads to all out war that would cost multiple years and billions of lives before peace and rebuilding could ever begin. Neither outcome is at all logical.

  • @HundredDaysMusic
    @HundredDaysMusic Год назад +357

    Reminds me of a quote I once heard: "Being logical is not the same as being right or even necessarily smart"

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 Год назад

      Logical is to stand on the physical ideas and being material about everything compared to visual who can only be seen and not touched. That's why emotions are not illogical since it can be felt while art would be illogical since it's fake emotions as it's only an illustration of those feelings.
      Quark telling lies and ask the Vulcan to admit the lie to be true. No matter if the Vulcan tell they accept the lie they don't believe in the lie.
      The factory do not care what you produce.

    • @methos-ey9nf
      @methos-ey9nf 11 месяцев назад +50

      “Logic is the beginning of wisdom not the end.” - Spock

    • @danieldickson8591
      @danieldickson8591 10 месяцев назад +20

      Exactly. Logical argument proceeds from whatever premises the reasoner considers to be true. If those premises are faulty, the conclusions drawn will also be faulty, even if they're entirely logical.

    • @blackjac5000
      @blackjac5000 9 месяцев назад +6

      Richard Jeni had a bit on syllogisms, where If A = B And B = C Then A = C: if God is love and love is blind then Ray Charles is God.

    • @D0NU75
      @D0NU75 9 месяцев назад +2

      pragmatism always one ups logic

  • @Quincy_Morris
    @Quincy_Morris 5 лет назад +4619

    “I’ll make it so simple even a Vulcan can understand it.”
    Damn Quark got all the sick burns

    • @Mugruncher
      @Mugruncher 5 лет назад +106

      David Umstattd “he couldn’t find a glass of water if you threw him in a lake” quark, on rom.
      Quark was amazing at sick burns.

    • @feartheghus
      @feartheghus 4 года назад +9

      Dfg Sdfg all programmed to assist Rom in the futile search for the water.

    • @feartheghus
      @feartheghus 4 года назад +3

      Dfg Sdfg well admittedly rom makes no money, so he’s basically inherently evil... or something.

    • @saradanhoff6539
      @saradanhoff6539 4 года назад +11

      @@feartheghus Actually, he just invests heavily in resources more valuable than mere latium. His connections and experience alone are of mind boggling value.

    • @feartheghus
      @feartheghus 4 года назад +1

      Sara Danhoff but that’s not a tangible asset.

  • @leifhietala8074
    @leifhietala8074 3 года назад +5095

    "Do you propose to lecture ME on logic?"
    Pride is an emotional, illogical state.

    • @Hiro-li8cf
      @Hiro-li8cf 3 года назад +298

      well he didn't want to.....but she left him no choice

    • @Sewblon
      @Sewblon 3 года назад +140

      emotional yes. But not necessarily illogical. With the right starting premises, any conclusion can be proven logically. Including one's own superiority.

    • @beckaldo8741
      @beckaldo8741 3 года назад +95

      @@Sewblon Actually, superiority is entirely circumstantial. If you want to talk about momentary advantages then that is another story. Pride though is all about presentation, never about substance. Just because Vulcans have many advantages as a species doesn't mean they are superior in every situation. Diplomacy for instance requires empathy and the capacity to feel emotions at a larger spectrum, because one needs to understand the emotional state of those they are speaking with and to accommodate their perspectives. No one has ever convinced anyone of anything by being pigheaded other than they can't be reasoned with. From what I have seen of Vulcans they lack a lot of what makes a logical individual. The capacity to understand ones limitations and the willingness to embrace new ideas are some of the things that identify an intelligent and competent person.
      People who see facts aren't inherently logical, they are simply observing what is presented. That is a powerful tool in its own right, but without any kind of flexible thinking to interpret and to find different uses for it, there is very little that can be done with that knowledge. Logic is not what Vulcans actually believe in. They seek objectivity in everything they do, and that means a removal of the self. It means their individuality and identity, experiences and sensations, are all seen as distractions to the one truth. It is why Spock saw Data and compared them to being the Vulcan ideal.
      This all said, I am done with my essay. ;p
      Hope I wasn't coming off as a jerk.

    • @Sewblon
      @Sewblon 3 года назад +13

      @@beckaldo8741 Its true that pride is entirely circumstantial. But most of the things that people care about most of the time are entirely circumstantial. Truly universal truths like the law of identity do matter. But they are never the only thing that matters, at least, not as far as I know. The things that determine how tall you are. How smart you are, how many friends you have, and how long you live, and how many descendants you have, are largely a combination of biological, social, and economic accidents of circumstance, not universal laws like the quadratic formula, at least not directly.
      Its true that what Vulcan's actually value is objectivity, not logic. But what does that have to do with anything?

    • @beckaldo8741
      @beckaldo8741 3 года назад +4

      @@Sewblon Mostly cause I am an insufferable twat. Sorry. o.o

  • @Jehutyv4
    @Jehutyv4 Год назад +91

    Quark, "Let me make it so simple that a Vulcan can understand"
    All the Romulans: Bow down to Quark

    • @RRaptor86
      @RRaptor86 Год назад +8

      Oh I could hear a Romulan laughing their ass off on Romulus while I was in my jail cell on DS9.

  • @bronsonperich9430
    @bronsonperich9430 Год назад +226

    There are two times when it is appropriate to sue for peace.
    1. When no one can win.
    2. When it is painfully obvious who has won.
    Quark had to teach a Vulcan about point 1- 😂

    • @BTG514
      @BTG514 Год назад +4

      Tell that 2nd one to the Palestinians...

    • @bronsonperich9430
      @bronsonperich9430 Год назад +25

      @BTG514 "The point of guerilla war is not to succeed, it's always been just to make the enemy bleed."
      - Immortal Technique.

    • @cesaravila5675
      @cesaravila5675 10 месяцев назад +5

      @@BTG514this aged well

    • @DeadeyeJim327
      @DeadeyeJim327 10 месяцев назад +9

      3. When it is convenient to confuse the hell out of your enemies.

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito 2 месяца назад

      @@BTG514 Except there is no war going on there; just one-sided genocide, perpetrated by the Israelis.

  • @crackwitz
    @crackwitz 3 года назад +3995

    I'd say the moral is "don't drive the price up when you're looking to buy!"

    • @dehro
      @dehro 3 года назад +103

      Pretty sure that's in the ferengi rules too

    • @r.ernestwhite7259
      @r.ernestwhite7259 3 года назад +54

      this shouod be rule of acquisition #2 which has, to my knowledge, never stated

    • @Sewblon
      @Sewblon 3 года назад +34

      I wish that more investors and would-be investors understood that. If you want to buy stocks, then you should want stock prices to go down. You should only want stock prices to go up, if you are looking to sell.

    • @RichardX1
      @RichardX1 3 года назад +35

      @@Sewblon or more accurately, you want prices to go up AFTER you buy and BEFORE you sell.

    • @Sewblon
      @Sewblon 3 года назад +2

      @@RichardX1 What you just said is true. But I was thinking more of that thing that Warren Buffet said that if you are a net buying of anything, including stocks, then you want lower prices. If you are a net seller of anything, including stocks, then you want prices to go up.

  • @Wednesdaywoe1975
    @Wednesdaywoe1975 3 года назад +2325

    The Vulcans always hated it when illogical, feeling species out thought them. But to their credit, they listened.

    • @dougmillhoff9192
      @dougmillhoff9192 2 года назад +157

      Perhaps one reason Vulcans sought first contact with new species, was in welcoming insight from different perspectives.

    • @swampdonkey1567
      @swampdonkey1567 2 года назад +44

      @@dougmillhoff9192 naw vulcans are just masochistic

    • @sharpnova2
      @sharpnova2 2 года назад +40

      then why did that seem to happen in pretty much every encounter vulcans had? seems their role was to posture as logical af while constantly being hilariously irrational 24/7

    • @Babuus
      @Babuus 2 года назад +10

      @@sharpnova2 FACT

    • @RotaAbyssian
      @RotaAbyssian 2 года назад +45

      @@sharpnova2 I think it's for Vulcans to learn firsthand the most real truth: Those who claim to have supreme knowledge often don't, and sound logic can come from the most unthinkable sources. Only by learning this first hand can they improve their own logic, reasoning, and understanding.

  • @NeilRoy
    @NeilRoy 2 года назад +373

    I seen a few comments about how some of the Vulcan's remarks were emotional in nature. I remind you that at no time does the Star Trek universe ever claim that Vulcans have no emotions, it only claims they have learned to control them, but that doesn't mean they don't surface, sometimes under the mistaken guise of logic.

    • @shayneoneill1506
      @shayneoneill1506 Год назад +48

      Or at least convince themselves that they are under control. One of the things I liked about Star Trek Enterprise, is it kind of reveals that vulcan emotionlessness is bit of a smoke and mirrors show. Under the surface most of them are utterly bubbling with emotions, with a huge amount of mental energy required to keep it under control so none of the other vulcans will know that they are struggling. But in reality, they are all struggling.

    • @arsarma1808
      @arsarma1808 Год назад +15

      Ye, before Vulcan's embraced logic, the Vulcan probably would have just strangled Quark on the spot.

    • @ZakhadWOW
      @ZakhadWOW Год назад

      Discovery has revealed the insidious fashion in which some Vulcans channeled their hatred and violence.. .while claiming to be all about logic.

    • @Jaymic
      @Jaymic Год назад +9

      @@shayneoneill1506 I always found Tuvok from Voyager to be a good example of this. It was the first time since TOS that a Vulcan was a part of the Senior Officers and it showed that even a Vulcan can let their mask slip under adverse circumstances. Like that once episode where you hear Tuvok screaming from being tortured, then he acts like it wasn't a big deal. Absolutely chilling.

    • @ScientistCat
      @ScientistCat Год назад +1

      I remember hearing Spock claim (or reading him claim in a book) that Vulcans have no emotions. Keep in mind it's been years since I saw the show, so I might be misremembering.
      Assuming I recall right, it was still clearly Vulcan decorum, or applying what he'd learned (that denying your emotions helps you stay logical).
      On occasions when it comes up in private (like Spock with Kirk, or Tuvok in sickbay with the Doctor), the Vulcans readily admit they have emotions that run deep and possibly more intense than other races.

  • @jeremyn2626
    @jeremyn2626 Год назад +97

    I know they - and Armin Shimerman - tried to repair the Ferengi in DS9 but THIS scene right here drives that home. It shows how they are STILL a smart, functioning, warp capable species, while ALSO being driven by profit. Profit isn't ALWAYS monetary. Usually, but not always.
    Shimerman was amazing as Quark and this scene is perfect.

    • @vksasdgaming9472
      @vksasdgaming9472 Год назад

      He also voiced guy who built an capitalist utopia and would rather drown it than let some conman take it over. Too bad his own ideas gave birth to that conman.

    • @jmwoods190
      @jmwoods190 9 месяцев назад +5

      Shimerman also played one of the 1st Ferengis in the 1st ever ST epsisode that featured them on TNG!

    • @simonfrederiksen104
      @simonfrederiksen104 5 месяцев назад

      Almost perfect - 0:54 He was gonna GIVE her a copy.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama 4 месяца назад +3

      @@simonfrederiksen104 Yeah, and he was gonna give her a copy because that makes it easier to talk business. In the end it's all about business.

    • @daddyanto8222
      @daddyanto8222 3 месяца назад

      Best character in the series in my humble opinion .

  • @vgfan4ever
    @vgfan4ever 5 лет назад +5078

    Quark is actually such an excellent character for illustrating that the Ferengi economic system is actually viable, and making them more than the 1 dimensional beings they were originally portrayed as.

    • @knewsom
      @knewsom  5 лет назад +270

      💯

    • @TheKyrix82
      @TheKyrix82 5 лет назад +408

      Nog's explanation of 'The Great Material Continuum' makes greed sound altruistic. Basically, greed is good, selfishness is not

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama 5 лет назад +270

      @@TheKyrix82 Actually Nog's depiction of the great material continuum sounds a lot like Smithian economics. What Smith described as the invisible hand, Nog would recognize as the continuum moving goods from where they are to where they're needed.

    • @Bee_Healthier
      @Bee_Healthier 5 лет назад +115

      Its a shit econonic philosophy, idk how anyone could support it while there's post scarcity economics that feature no monetary means. Like how regressive can you be?
      Simple minds though we have, your own cultural and personal bias is of courde reflecting defrnse for something that was be so obsolete its laughable. this shows more advanced then it even seems.

    • @KashKey-
      @KashKey- 5 лет назад +196

      @Brandon Bee What the *fuck* are you on about?

  • @WillNelson73
    @WillNelson73 4 года назад +4042

    The actress in this scene does an outstanding job of portraying a Vulcan

    • @doomedbringer
      @doomedbringer 4 года назад +204

      almost like its her job or something

    • @WillNelson73
      @WillNelson73 4 года назад +329

      @@doomedbringer Not all actors are good at their job or capture the nuances required in a role. If it were easy, actors would make $10/hour

    • @Rhythmicons
      @Rhythmicons 4 года назад +75

      Except for the line about being confused. There was a time when Vulcans were following in Spock's shoes. The last one was featured in JJ Trek. Kirstie Alley did a better job than the bearded hipster of STD.

    • @3Rayfire
      @3Rayfire 4 года назад +83

      @@Rhythmicons But Ethan wasn't supposed to. He was explicitly playing a younger Spock, one who was still settling into himself. He wasn't playing the Spock of Kirk, but the Spock as Leonard Nimoy played him in "The Cage" who actually was more openly emotional (Nimoy played him that way since Pike was emotionally reserved, against Shatner's Kirk, who was emotional he contrasted with a stoic Spock). Ethan Peck did an excellent job. Looks weird without the beard though.

    • @Rhythmicons
      @Rhythmicons 4 года назад +41

      ​@@3Rayfire Ethan, having not had the benefit of consultation with Nimoy, had to interpret the character his own way. There is a clear difference in people who have played Vulcans who have had the benefit of Nimoy's guidance vs those who have not. It is Nimoy's character after all. I have to disagree with you. Vulcans have a way about them that is in their culture that is different from their personality.

  • @user-jg5ie8rc1s
    @user-jg5ie8rc1s Год назад +135

    Armin Shimerman, such a brilliant actor. Quark was, for me, one of the best characters on Deep Space Nine

    • @rushthezeppelin
      @rushthezeppelin 10 месяцев назад +4

      How do you even pick the best characters in that series. There's way too many good ones. Crazy too that some of the best are more considered secondary characters like Quark and Garak.

    • @rushthezeppelin
      @rushthezeppelin 10 месяцев назад +1

      How do you even pick the best characters in that series. There's way too many good ones. Crazy too that some of the best are more considered secondary characters like Quark and Garak.

    • @Kos4Evr
      @Kos4Evr 9 месяцев назад +2

      Don't forget the old crone who is the bane of Kira's existence

    • @angryashell100
      @angryashell100 8 месяцев назад +2

      Absolutely. I'm rewatching ds9 but primarily for the quark centered episodes. He steals the scenes he's in. The dynamic between him and Odo or Dax was ST DS9 at its best

    • @BTG514
      @BTG514 8 месяцев назад

      @@Kos4Evr Wallace Shawn?

  • @Svemirsky
    @Svemirsky 2 года назад +298

    I think Quark was, in the long run, a character who inspired my curiosity in studying economics - and also my enthusiasm when becoming a wine and spirits salesman 😄 I loved DS9 as a kid, that show realy was something special 😊

    • @zwordsman
      @zwordsman Год назад +9

      You better buy yourself some Latenum to display

    • @NavonodSemaj
      @NavonodSemaj Год назад +4

      Do they now call you the Synthehol King?

    • @Cairannx
      @Cairannx 11 месяцев назад +2

      I'll take one crate of Aldebaran whiskey and another of Saurian brandy please.

    • @XR171
      @XR171 11 месяцев назад

      Do you also sell Root Beer?

  • @Hyperion5182
    @Hyperion5182 4 года назад +4227

    This was a moment that forever cemented the Ferengi as players in the main line of Trek. It was a brilliantly performed scene and the writing here was Flawless.

    • @CaptainSpycrab
      @CaptainSpycrab 4 года назад +174

      Fun fact: Armin Shimerman played a Ferengi during their very first appearance on TNG, back when they were supposed to replace the Klingons.
      He's extremely ashamed of his performance and was worried that he ruined the entire species as a concept.

    • @kurtsnyder4752
      @kurtsnyder4752 3 года назад +30

      @@CaptainSpycrab Was only a distant, several times removed, cousin.

    • @CaptainSpycrab
      @CaptainSpycrab 3 года назад +8

      Kurt Snyder Not the one that owned a moon.

    • @kurtsnyder4752
      @kurtsnyder4752 3 года назад +32

      @@CaptainSpycrab Think THAT one was the one that sold him that spaceship that malfunctioned and took Quark, Rom and Nog back to the1950s American Southwest and were taken into custody by the US military.

    • @CaptainSpycrab
      @CaptainSpycrab 3 года назад +7

      Kurt Snyder I think he was also the one that shot the Vorta hostage during the episode with Iggy Pop.

  • @Nerdnumberone
    @Nerdnumberone 3 года назад +5659

    I love how Quark shows a reasonable depiction of Ferengi philosophy. Jargon aside, it's completely logical. One could argue the focus on paying as little as possible for maximum personal gain is selfish, but acquisitions can be anything from latium to peace and costs can be money or lives.

    • @cjmarion6350
      @cjmarion6350 3 года назад +121

      @Pro Tengu but logic does allow one to sort out the possibilities and make an educated decision based off of knowledge of the situation/problem which is the basis of all understanding, the ability to infer based off of data has allowed humanity to figure out combustion, flight, penicillin, etc. logic may not be THE most important tool humanity has at its disposal but it is definitely up there in terms of importance

    • @Albatross159
      @Albatross159 3 года назад +56

      It only seems selfish at first glance, but in reality it’s just prizing efficiency, ie, maximizing output while minimizing input.

    • @mycroft64089
      @mycroft64089 3 года назад +21

      A slight quibble with your wording, the 3rd rule says to never spend more for an acquisition than you have to, but nothing about maximizing personal benefits. Maximizing anything in the real world is usually a trap.

    • @kingcreedo6010
      @kingcreedo6010 3 года назад +6

      @@mycroft64089 true but his talk about maximizing is indeed self appointed.
      Where as peace is logical when it is logical and war is logical when it is logical.

    • @kingcreedo6010
      @kingcreedo6010 3 года назад +11

      Momentary peace is good for business when understanding the logical tolls of more war to aquire peace just makes it more expensive.
      When you can have peace and build yourself more until either you or someone else has an advantage

  • @enoughothis
    @enoughothis Год назад +21

    Quark teaching a Vulcan about logic and having to dumb it down so she can understand it and such a flex.

  • @GreasyPalmsPirate
    @GreasyPalmsPirate 6 месяцев назад +10

    The thousand mile stare of the vulcan right at the end where she realizes she's been out-logic'ed by a Ferengi is priceless.

  • @slashandbones13
    @slashandbones13 9 лет назад +4972

    in this episode, Quark uses logic against a valcan and in "house of quark", he uses honor against a klingon. having a understanding of other caltures is very important for connecting to others and connecting to others is good for business.

    • @SkepticalChris
      @SkepticalChris 9 лет назад +394

      Rune of Acquisition #76:
      Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
      Rule of Acquisition #35.
      Peace is good for business

    • @psycho0815
      @psycho0815 9 лет назад +200

      Skeptical Chris
      Rule of Acquisition #34.
      "War is good for business."
      memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Ferengi_Rules_of_Acquisition

    • @SkepticalChris
      @SkepticalChris 9 лет назад +298

      Michael Sykes That may be so, but Rule of Acquisition #125 states "You can't make a deal if you're dead."

    • @psycho0815
      @psycho0815 9 лет назад +94

      Skeptical Chris
      "Only a fool passes up a business opportunity."

    • @SkepticalChris
      @SkepticalChris 9 лет назад +24

      that's not a rule of acquisition

  • @willamcars1
    @willamcars1 3 года назад +4626

    The ferengi, unlike human businessmen, can actually understand the value of long term gain over short term

    • @darkjesterxiii
      @darkjesterxiii 3 года назад +510

      Humans can understand long term gain. Humans just prefer the short term gains and leave the fallout to those who have to pick up after them. Usually their kids.

    • @VisonsofFalseTruths
      @VisonsofFalseTruths 3 года назад +45

      @@darkjesterxiii facts. The problem is the people making decisions with long-reaching repercussions are perfectly well aware they’ll be long dead before those repercussions become relevant

    • @pendragonchen
      @pendragonchen 3 года назад +243

      @@darkjesterxiii I'd say it's a bit more complicated than that. It's not "humans as a whole" that prefer short term gains, rather it's that those humans who value short term gains have used that initial start up to keep the long term folks from affecting real change.

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 3 года назад +15

      Well, human business men figure it won't hurt them because they own all the boats and own most of the food/land. They just don't care about everyone else because they've been raised in a culture that tells them that because they did real good at the money factory market they're innately better than those born poorer and or less business savvy than them. They're wrong of course you can be business savvy and a moron with no other useful skills but they don't let that stop them.

    • @MaxxyBee
      @MaxxyBee 3 года назад +2

      please precise whether youre talking about people irl or trekkian humans LOL

  • @nathanyuen4128
    @nathanyuen4128 6 месяцев назад +5

    So, just as Sun Tsu’s “Art of War” has been applied to business ventures, the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition are applied to military matters. Or in this case, peace matters.

  • @howardcarmichael2024
    @howardcarmichael2024 Год назад +43

    a shame there isnt more of this...miss Quark...excellent acting

    • @BTG514
      @BTG514 Год назад

      Shimmerman used to host extra rehearsals at his residence with the other Ferengi actors and Chase Masterson. All the extra work he put in paid off.

  • @DAS_k1ishEe
    @DAS_k1ishEe 4 года назад +1771

    It was in this moment, I fell in love with Deep Space Nine... A Ferengi teaching pacifism to a vulcan, by using the Rules of Acquisition.

    • @RobMacKendrick
      @RobMacKendrick 3 года назад +185

      In fairness, Quark is an unusual Ferengi - a true philosopher of commerce. By the end of the series, his insights go vastly deeper than just making money. True, he started with the principles of business, but then delved and delved until he got to the fundamental elements of cause and effect at their foundation. And that's simply genius.

    • @Aizekku
      @Aizekku 3 года назад +19

      @@RobMacKendrick Well said. Couldn't agree more!

    • @LonesomeTraveller
      @LonesomeTraveller 3 года назад +45

      Yeah. Deep Space Nine was the most carefully thought out series.
      What would it really be like, life in a space station light years away from Earth, home, situated in a most desolate corner of space, unknown to most, living in constant terror of war? I sure would find life there poetic.

    • @dakotaadams189
      @dakotaadams189 3 года назад +27

      Not pacifism, remember that peace here depends on everyone at the table holding a gun, but realpolitik.

    • @FezFindie
      @FezFindie 3 года назад +8

      @@RobMacKendrick Honestly, that's how it can often go: People following a philosophy or religion or such but often only a small number actually get the point behind it.

  • @timmytheimpaler
    @timmytheimpaler 2 года назад +2813

    The Ferengi finally came into their own in DS9. Until then, they were a liability. The showrunners of DS9 were brilliant in how they used them.

    • @warlockpaladin2261
      @warlockpaladin2261 2 года назад +132

      Up until DS9, we had only really encountered a few Ferengi, most of them had been bandits and other questionable characters who had a little trouble cutting the mustard back on their homeworld. Here we get to meet several of them who actually have their shit together.

    • @takingiteasy17
      @takingiteasy17 2 года назад +94

      Wait you don't like the hissing, electric whip wielding weirdos of TNG?

    • @karamanid
      @karamanid 2 года назад +19

      @@warlockpaladin2261 they were not really bandits but captains serving the Ferengi Alliance, with their powerful ships that can challenge any Federation Startships

    • @warlockpaladin2261
      @warlockpaladin2261 2 года назад +14

      @@karamanid Yeah, but far away from the people back on Ferenginar that they had to report their profit statements to.

    • @BawkBawkBawk666
      @BawkBawkBawk666 2 года назад +32

      Armin Shimmerman used to bring the ferengi cast to His house to rehearse to bring the best ferengi performance

  • @jefferiestubeladd3261
    @jefferiestubeladd3261 2 года назад +10

    Time stamp here 0:26 and you can see likeness from the charactor Susan Ivanova from from Babylon 5. I presume it is indeed her.

  • @danielkover7157
    @danielkover7157 Год назад +67

    This is but one scene that demonstrates why DS9 was always my favorite iteration of the Trek universe. So many interesting people in one place, all different in some way, with bits of wisdom and great dialogue here and there, not to mention some laughs along the way.

    • @robertagren9360
      @robertagren9360 Год назад

      Quark biggest failure is that he didn't invest in war since it never gets old.

    • @austinboylan5476
      @austinboylan5476 Год назад +2

      @@robertagren9360Rule of Acquisition 35: Peace is good for business

    • @rushthezeppelin
      @rushthezeppelin 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@austinboylan5476 But his cousin owns a whole moon selling weapons. There's always another rule of counter one rule lol.

    • @someguy4252
      @someguy4252 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@rushthezeppelin theres always an exception because inflexability is its own problem. the problem is knowing when to use the exception. i would say some of the more greedy faringi are examples of failing to read a situation and getting themselves into troublle.

    • @danielkover7157
      @danielkover7157 5 месяцев назад

      @@austinboylan5476 Rule of Acquisition 34: War is good for business. Those Ferengi are the ultimate pragmatists.

  • @PavarottiAardvark
    @PavarottiAardvark 7 лет назад +2584

    One of the few scenes which portrays the Rules of Acquisition as a true philosophy rather than just a bunch of catchy regulations....

    • @Sommer57
      @Sommer57 7 лет назад +111

      There was an episode of Voyager where two Ferengi posed as prophets and taught the rules of acquisition as tenets of faith.

    • @wight1984
      @wight1984 7 лет назад +161

      They could have been interesting if the show wasn't so keen to set them up as jokes.

    • @Sommer57
      @Sommer57 7 лет назад +50

      wight1984 I agree. They had potential to be more than comic relief.

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 7 лет назад +75

      The Ferengi rules of Acquisition is every Capitalists most inner thoughts, of course it's a true philosophy.

    • @livedandletdie
      @livedandletdie 7 лет назад +36

      The Ferengi rules of Acquisition is every Capitalists most inner thoughts, of course it's a true philosophy.

  • @Asher_Tye
    @Asher_Tye 8 лет назад +4574

    "Give" her a copy of the Rules of Acquisition? Is that Ferengi humor?

    • @jamierose9095
      @jamierose9095 8 лет назад +661

      No. That's Ferengi philosophy. Of course she'll be charged for it. ^_~

    • @shalifi7774
      @shalifi7774 8 лет назад +269

      +Jamie Rose Ferengi charity is wholesale. it's something that's important to remember because it's as a species

    • @ZEZERBING
      @ZEZERBING 8 лет назад +61

      good catch.

    • @AlbanAwan
      @AlbanAwan 8 лет назад +469

      Nothing wrong with Charity so long as it ends up in your pocket.

    • @MichaelBlanchardII
      @MichaelBlanchardII 8 лет назад +240

      He did say give, not gift. When I go to McDonalds, they give me my food. But they make sure I pay for it. I am sure he would have sent her a pay-on-delivery bill for them :P

  • @devoteeofgeorgesmiley7184
    @devoteeofgeorgesmiley7184 7 месяцев назад +6

    (sigh)
    "Then I'll make it so simple that even a Vulcan can understand."

  • @Kos4Evr
    @Kos4Evr 9 месяцев назад +7

    That he outsmarted a vulcan with logic shows how brilliant he truly is

  • @yehoshuasmith5608
    @yehoshuasmith5608 3 года назад +1949

    Stuff like this explains why ferengis are the only faction to have never been at war with anyone or even amongst themselves over the course of their entire history...

    • @nicholashernandez4611
      @nicholashernandez4611 3 года назад +492

      Only race in federation record that purchased the ability to travel at warp as well. Their history is amazingly free of bloodshed, choosing acquisition and trade over conflict early on. A positive spin on ultra capitalism, at least from what we’ve all seen.

    • @maiqtheliar789
      @maiqtheliar789 3 года назад +298

      War is bad for business for anyone that isn't an arms supplier anyway. Destroys infrastructure that other businesses could be using instead. Leaves people dead or being drafted into the military where they can't participate in the labor market which would drive up labor costs for everyone. Kills off potential customers which leaves you with less customers. So I could see the business oriented Ferengi trying to avoid war whenever possible for their bottom line if anything else and if you do decide to supply weapons of war sell them to someone else that is hopefully well away from Ferengi territory. The Ferengi obsession with their bottom line and profits has led to their own unique form of logic about things like that. Even them buying warp tech instead of developing it themselves makes sense from a business standpoint. Saved them the time and cost of doing the R&D themselves and then they only had to follow the blueprints they bought and it opens up the biggest potential new market there is outer space.

    • @WereWade
      @WereWade 3 года назад +82

      On the flip side, they'll sell to both sides to feed conflict. Team A needs weapons. Team B needs weapons. Both are buying, so sell, sell, sell. They are unscrupulous businessmen that I would never trust.

    • @maiqtheliar789
      @maiqtheliar789 3 года назад +129

      Selling to anyone that is buying is just good business though. Even selling to both sides. Historically weapons have been sold to both sides of a conflict by a neutral third party pretty often. Happens pretty often even now. Ferengi don't try to pretend they are something they are not. They are all about business and anyone that deals with them would know that.
      As long as you are getting the weapons you paid for then the Ferengi have filled their side of the deal. Ferengi are as close to a true neutral as you get. Only thing they care about is profit and they won't bullshit everyone and try to act all noble about it or virtue signal like the Federation. The Ferengi are not perfect but at the same time they don't try to act like they are either.

    • @renaissancestatesman
      @renaissancestatesman 3 года назад +8

      @@maiqtheliar789 it's logical or not, no unique forms.

  • @EldaTaluta
    @EldaTaluta 2 года назад +460

    "Remind me to give you a copy of the Rule some time, you never know when they might come in handy." That was pure Columbo.

    • @ahuman4386
      @ahuman4386 2 года назад +33

      "Oh and one more thing..." Great show I grew up with.

    • @Joe-xo4yg
      @Joe-xo4yg Год назад +2

      To the letter
      😂😂😊

    • @GerritDeSmedt
      @GerritDeSmedt Год назад +2

      "give" ??? slip of character right there.

    • @timchorzempa6637
      @timchorzempa6637 Год назад +4

      @@GerritDeSmedt If I remember, it was customary for the Ferengi to give copies of the Rules of Acquisition to anyone who wanted them. At first glance it seems like they would charge for it, but apparently it's like missionaries giving away bibles 😜

    • @crimsondynamo615
      @crimsondynamo615 Год назад +3

      @@timchorzempa6637 “honestly these rules are so commonplace in our homeworld we leave them in nightstands at hotels and even at public restrooms. We lost the keys to the printing factory.”

  • @nesano4735
    @nesano4735 11 месяцев назад +4

    I grew up during the golden age of cartoons and gaming and but scenes like this make me feel like I missed out.

  • @ZakEmber
    @ZakEmber Год назад +15

    I know everyone loves Garak, (and rightfully so), but no one should ever overlook Quark and his deep bag of sensibility! He's a cheat and a scoundrel, but he also gets some of the best moments of insight and wisdom in the series!

    • @BTG514
      @BTG514 Год назад +1

      Quark was more popular than Garak. Garak never made an appearance on Regis & Kathy Lee.

    • @kohlrak
      @kohlrak 8 месяцев назад

      Quark is Fred Flinstone with brains: always scheming to make easy money, but quark was no fool.

  • @ariajohnson8107
    @ariajohnson8107 2 года назад +3016

    Give her credit where it's due; the entire time her thousand-yard stare was affixed with the emotionally-strangled blank expression most full-blooded Vulcans have. But when she realizes Quark is right, you can *see* the dawning realization in her eyes in that final scene, almost like a literal light switch was flipped on. Conveying shifting emotions without blinking or any other facial expressions is damn impressive to me.
    Any actor trained to play a Vulcan must have an incredible poker face. 😅

    • @kapnerad
      @kapnerad Год назад +130

      Call it the "Leonard Nimoy Method," lol. He had a problem with playing Spock in the 60's at first because he wasn't sure how to play a character "without emotions." BUT obviously figured it out over the course of the the original Star Trek series and subsequent movies. It all comes from him.

    • @KyokujiFGC
      @KyokujiFGC Год назад +72

      @@kapnerad At the end of the day, it's not that they don't experience any emotion, it's that they're incredibly good at suppressing them.

    • @Tasarran
      @Tasarran Год назад +40

      @@KyokujiFGC I was going to post the same thing; she's not conveying emotions without expressions, she's acting out someone who has emotions but conceals them showing cracks in that mask.

    • @AngelArm1110
      @AngelArm1110 Год назад +19

      For real, she absolutely nailed it!

    • @andrewgalea5012
      @andrewgalea5012 Год назад +18

      The actress has a RUclips channel I think. Pay her the compliment!

  • @5610winston
    @5610winston 5 лет назад +1809

    "Is that logical?"
    Her expression says, "I've just been gamed, but I can't quite figure out how."

    • @Tigerman1138
      @Tigerman1138 4 года назад +94

      5610winston And she is turned on too.

    • @williamdivetz6558
      @williamdivetz6558 4 года назад +14

      @@Tigerman1138 yup!

    • @livingcorpse5664
      @livingcorpse5664 4 года назад +113

      @@Tigerman1138 I mean, she is a Vulkin, logic from another Vulkin is par for the course, but being out-logic by someone from another species? Hot.

    • @eldermillennial8330
      @eldermillennial8330 4 года назад +26

      Dustin Eward
      Not counting Pom-phar, of course, when even a gentle breeze on her skin would make her horny as a wildcat.

    • @buglepong
      @buglepong 4 года назад +11

      "peace with the cardassians". "in the long run". pick one

  • @micmacha
    @micmacha 2 года назад +67

    Quark was one of the smartest people in that entire series. He's possibly one of the best negotiators and strategists of all-of-Star-Trek.

    • @rhoadesjerry9696
      @rhoadesjerry9696 11 месяцев назад +7

      He recognized the power of appealing to people's self-interest.

    • @RKingis
      @RKingis 10 месяцев назад +7

      He was such an interesting character, because even in the pilot, Quark thought he wouldn't be welcomed and was ready to go. But he could tell he actually cared when Benjamin asked him to stay, because he saw the value he was to the greater community.
      And it felt like to me, that although he held on to his values as a Ferengi, being exposed to other cultures he also learned to see things in a bigger picture.
      And you can really see that when Nog decides to attend Starfleet Academy. Because even Nog saw a bigger picture, be like his father, or learn to bring each culture together.

    • @hagamapama
      @hagamapama 4 месяца назад +1

      @@RKingis Nog was the best part of DS9 to me. His character arc was awesome. From young troublemaker to badass Lieutenant

  • @akiramasashi9317
    @akiramasashi9317 Год назад +10

    You know Quark likes her as he offered to GIVE her a copy of the rules rather than sell one to her.

    • @LulaJake
      @LulaJake 8 месяцев назад +2

      He probably just wanted her to touch the book so he could harvest her DNA and replicate her in the holodeck.

  • @romankvapil9184
    @romankvapil9184 5 лет назад +2534

    My college international relations teacher used this clip in our class to emphasize the use of diplomacy in foreign relations through economic security.

    • @billrich9722
      @billrich9722 4 года назад +102

      I had something to add but motherfucking 99 red balloons started playing in German over the loud speaker. Now my mind is absolutely scattered.

    • @nerfninja661
      @nerfninja661 4 года назад +21

      @bearjew trade schools are where its at i went for welding im 34 now im retired i drink and get stoned all day everyday i have a house that i love 2 vehicles that i love and i never got married so they cant golddig me i am a happy man

    • @nerfninja661
      @nerfninja661 4 года назад +17

      @bearjew the thing that helps is i didnt get into HUGE debt learning bullshit at college trade school was waaaaay cheaper and the stuff you learn is strictly related to the shit you go there for and you learn from people that fuckin work in that field we had a couple of older mechanics late 60s old old guys and you would be amazed at the shit those grease wizards would build

    • @billydarley6925
      @billydarley6925 4 года назад +27

      yeah and liberals are hating that right now. look at their reaction to all the possible wars we arent getting immersed in. theyre full of hate no matter what happens.

    • @nerfninja661
      @nerfninja661 4 года назад +4

      @bearjew you could do it its quicker than college depending on what you go for

  • @Frightning
    @Frightning 8 лет назад +1581

    Only quark would dare to school a Vulcan in the application of logic...and succeed at it.

    •  8 лет назад +37

      +Justin Benfield I don't think Kirk would shy away either. Picard would be too diplomatic for that but find another way and Janeway would blow them up.

    • @Frightning
      @Frightning 8 лет назад +33

      +Martin Drkoš Kirk would probably try and fail absent plot armor requiring him to succeed at it. You're right, Picard would find another way, probably an appeal to morality or ethics in some form. As for Janeway, it's honestly hard to say because she's an incredibly inconsistent character (a function of two different writers with very different interpretations of who she was as a character).

    • @Frightning
      @Frightning 8 лет назад +2

      +monokhem Not recently, but I watched a ton of it when I was younger (it was still on TV back then). I haven't seen much TOS, mostly TNG, DS9, and VOY, so I didn't see much of Spock's Mother.

    • @williambarnes5023
      @williambarnes5023 8 лет назад +25

      +Justin Benfield
      Vulcans are good at logic.
      They're bad at determining the truth of premises.

    • @mdcraig62
      @mdcraig62 8 лет назад +17

      +Martin Drkoš
      Kirk: I would not presume to debate you.
      Spock: That is wise.
      The Wrath of Khann

  • @randomguy2809
    @randomguy2809 2 года назад +11

    And we all missed the most important truth in that whole clip, said right at the beginning, "even I know the Kardashians can't be trusted" truly timeless words of wisdom.

  • @EmptyMind-xm5ki
    @EmptyMind-xm5ki Год назад +23

    Man I love that Ferengi. Couldn't miss a episode with Quark in it. Oh and Odo. Put those two together, you get a fun and interesting episode

    • @Scrimshawwww
      @Scrimshawwww Год назад

      Absolutely!

    • @mpjstuff
      @mpjstuff 11 месяцев назад +1

      I have to agree. Without those two, you have these overly high minded and lofty debates, or some dire Sci-Fi circumstance, with the Ferengi, the storyline suddenly becomes relevant to the petty and greedy society we are all familiar with.

  • @wolvie90
    @wolvie90 2 года назад +476

    The most masterful writing of DS9 is how they managed to make a Ferengi and a Cardassian be the two most interesting characters in the whole series.

    • @eo7136
      @eo7136 11 месяцев назад +9

      Quark & Garak, allowed the writers to introduce ideas into the story that in many cases, were antithetical to the philosophy of the Federation. Armin Shimerman as Quark, brought a lot of depth to the Ferengi & Andrew Robinson's portrayal of Garak was outstanding. He blended mystery, danger and charm into a great character and delivered some of the best moments of DS9.

    • @thekraken1909
      @thekraken1909 11 месяцев назад +6

      ​@edgarortiz7136
      Not just Garak. You're forgetting Dukat.
      Dukat was one of the most interesting villains Star Trek has seen. Conflicted. Egotistical. Tyrannical. Cruel and evil. But somehow he was 100% convinced he was the good guy in the story.
      It made him fascinating to watch, and Marc Alaimo was THE guy needed to pull off such a character.

    • @Frank-ce1rv
      @Frank-ce1rv 10 месяцев назад

      I watched DS9 in my teens and the characters of Quark and Garak helped me see nuance in things. I used to believe communism was the answer (like most teens do). But after this show, I started looking into economic and political philosophies and changed my outlook a great deal.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 25 дней назад

      They wasted Q FFS

  • @sirosagaming8228
    @sirosagaming8228 2 года назад +157

    "I know the Kardashians can't be trusted."
    Words to live by, Quark.

  • @paulpoenicke5642
    @paulpoenicke5642 2 года назад +2

    Technically, game theory. Vulcan logic-some mix of deductive and inductive logic-will struggle to find these kinds of solutions.

  • @coolraul07
    @coolraul07 Год назад +4

    I remember this scene with perfect clarity more than 2 decades after it aired!

  • @--ACCEPT--
    @--ACCEPT-- 2 года назад +449

    I just realized that Quark is also a really good salesman. Here he's preventing intergalactic war, but that speech could also be selling a used car.

    • @unknownguyindo4356
      @unknownguyindo4356 2 года назад +18

      Personally if he do this kind of speech to sell me a used car, I would buy it. He got the money, and I got the car.
      Business.

    • @GuukanKitsune
      @GuukanKitsune 2 года назад +41

      Salesmen and diplomats have a similar skillset.
      One sells things.
      The other sells IDEAS.

    • @travissmith2848
      @travissmith2848 Год назад +17

      @@GuukanKitsune And both want the maximum return for the minimum investment. Usually they want to favor themselves whenever and however possible.

    • @seekingabsolution1907
      @seekingabsolution1907 Год назад +6

      Interstellar war technically. Theres only one galaxy in the mix of this war.

    • @KwadDamyj
      @KwadDamyj Год назад +1

      selling used Bird of Prey

  • @mossjo2004
    @mossjo2004 2 года назад +1359

    Just like the Cuban missile crisis: “they have weapons, you have weapons, everyone has weapons, but right now no one has a clear advantage. Now’s the perfect time to thrash out an agreement”

    • @luislaplume8261
      @luislaplume8261 2 года назад +44

      Apparently you are as old as I am to remember JFK on TV in October 1962 talking about it. I wanted him to do a surprise attack on Cuba even though it is the country I and my parents were born.

    • @soggybreadman4035
      @soggybreadman4035 2 года назад +53

      @@luislaplume8261 You don't have to be born in the 60's to remember JFK.
      I'm only 19 and I consider him to be the best president the United States has ever had.

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte 2 года назад +22

      @@soggybreadman4035 Because he didn't last very long...
      What do you think of Eisenhower though?

    • @TheArklyte
      @TheArklyte 2 года назад +6

      @@luislaplume8261 He did. It didn't end well. Listening to CIA "advice" rarely does:D
      And right after revolution _the price of acquisition of Cuba was at the all time low._ Instead of antagonizing cubans and pushing them into the open arms of the soviets. A small diplomatic favour here, a small loan to rebuild the country there. And Castro, who fanboyed for FDR to begin with, would have been a poster boy "domestic commie" so useful for propaganda.
      Judging by your attitude you are coming from a family of one of the landlords, who created a fertile soil for revolution in the first place, am I right?

    • @luislaplume8261
      @luislaplume8261 2 года назад +5

      @@TheArklyte You are WRONG! My late father used the rent money to use to do house repairs and upgrades, and pay property taxes as well as income. We lived in a 2 story house that he bought in December 1963, and it was 40 yards away from the Jamaica Ave El. on Jamaica Ave. My late mother went to work in order to also pay the mortgage on the house that he bought from the Jamaica Savings Bank in Jamaica, Queens in NYC. You know next to nothing about basic economics which I learned in school in the 1960s Mad Men era. NYC was and is the financial Capital of America during the colonial era and up til today. Even though Philadelphia was larger in size and population in the colonial era and the early years of this republic until 1830. It has and has the most influential place in place.

  • @charlesdaugherty321
    @charlesdaugherty321 9 месяцев назад +3

    Only works if the other side honors the peace for longer than 10 minutes before launching another rocket.

  • @gbob452
    @gbob452 8 месяцев назад +9

    I love that fact that after all this time, no one has been able to prove Quark was wrong in this scene

    • @Darlf_Sevil
      @Darlf_Sevil 6 месяцев назад

      But he is not it simple meyby not for her but is simple

  • @Dragonrose36
    @Dragonrose36 5 лет назад +2090

    So let's tally up Quark's coolness factor. He out-logicked a Vulcan, beat a Klingon with bookkeeping, was called "brave" by Chancellor Gowron, convinced the Prophets to turn Grand Nagus Zek back to his normal self, and he gets ALL the best girls.

    • @jamesbailey4304
      @jamesbailey4304 5 лет назад +334

      Let's just face facts, Quark can connect dots nobody knows exists, paint a picture with it, sell it at a premium to the Federation, Klingons, AND Romulans, use the profits to bribe his way out of trouble, and use what's left to get "Garak... simple Garak" to tailor him a snazzy new suit to celebrate a job well done.

    • @SuperTonyony
      @SuperTonyony 5 лет назад +187

      I loved the episode where Jake wanted to buy a rare baseball card for his dad, but had no money for it, because humans no longer use money. He spent the whole episode being lectured by Nog and Quark about the fact that he obviously DID need money, since he wanted to BUY something. :)

    • @Tigerman1138
      @Tigerman1138 5 лет назад +101

      Don’t forget he ALSO was able to use a very inexpensive and simple means to extract information about the mine-field’s weakness-get the man with knowledge drunk.

    • @jamesbailey4304
      @jamesbailey4304 5 лет назад +84

      Rom is a space wizard, Rom is a rogue, and Quark is a bard maxed out on charisma. Y'all won't convince me otherwise.

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 5 лет назад +26

      Tigerman1138 That's a pretty good and near fool proof method of interrogation. The subjects have no idea their being interrogated and it's an excuse to watch and laugh at people who get piss drunk.

  • @murphyjack90
    @murphyjack90 4 года назад +2079

    "peace is good, but how much are you willing to pay for it?"
    "whatever it costs!"
    "it's that kind of irresponsible spending that causes so many business ventures to fail!"
    I love how he uses economic jargon to describe the cost of peace. Peace at any cost is a terrible way of doing things.

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat 4 года назад +187

      It's also a terrible way to negotiate, and also highlights to those around you that you are acting from an emotion standpoint, not a controlled logical one. If you are willing to pay anything to get what you want, then the price will be high and don't be surprised by "artificial shortage" by dragging out the sale as much as possible to ensure more can be asked over time as you become more emotional and desperate to agree to whatever terms.

    • @urafaget5202
      @urafaget5202 4 года назад +4

      That doesn't make any fucking sense.

    • @Daniel-rd6st
      @Daniel-rd6st 4 года назад +60

      Every Wing Commander player knows that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance!
      Which is quite expensive when you think about it, all those cameras, spy networks etc.

    • @mrroams5812
      @mrroams5812 4 года назад +7

      @@cattysplat Did anyone else immediately think of Brexit upon reading this?

    • @Tigerman1138
      @Tigerman1138 4 года назад +6

      Daniel “Mankind was at his *ZENITH* when fighting the Kilrathi.”

  • @DokkaChapman
    @DokkaChapman 11 месяцев назад +7

    One thing I always loved about this show is how they are able to solve problems by learning from other cultures. In many ways economics is a bit like going to war as well lol.

  • @raenfox
    @raenfox Год назад +20

    Back then I didn't expect to ever see the day a Ferengi lectures a Vulcan in logic. And even the Vulcan has to admit, that Quark's explanation is perfectly logical.

    • @kohlrak
      @kohlrak 8 месяцев назад +1

      We see this alot. normally we call this "thinking yourself into a problem" or "overthinking." The lies and justifications she had to go through created a blind spot in the form of emotional investment. It's like when people live a lie, they get so invested in the lie. It's pretty easy to tear it down, the longer it goes, but that also means that person is that invested in it. If this was anyone other than a vulcan, she would have ripped him apart.

  • @GiratinaofFury
    @GiratinaofFury 4 года назад +1036

    He's right - when no side has a clear advantage, it means they are more open to any ideas to get one, but also being more open to see the futility of their endeavour.

    • @trevorlane
      @trevorlane 4 года назад +10

      Prisoner's dilemma, which then leads to a Nash equilibrium

    • @CrustyWhiteBread
      @CrustyWhiteBread 4 года назад +21

      @Stripey Arse Was the cold war not resolved without a bullet being fired? At least by the major players? Proxies may have battled but there was no all out WW3. I think this is the point.

    • @thekittenfreakify
      @thekittenfreakify 4 года назад +2

      @Stripey Arse It was profitable for the warhawks.

    • @sirdeadlock
      @sirdeadlock 4 года назад +11

      If you enjoy that line of logic, you may enjoy a sci-fi short story called First Contact in which two technologically advanced ships meet in deep space. The question is posed: Can we go home now, not knowing if we will be followed? Feel free to listen here: ruclips.net/video/UrL5oJ20CHo/видео.html

    • @renard6012
      @renard6012 4 года назад +8

      @@CrustyWhiteBread If the big players did not fire any bullets, it's because of three words: Mutual Assured Destruction.

  • @TheSaneHatter
    @TheSaneHatter 9 лет назад +2256

    This was easily one of Quark's finest moments, and the only scene in which the Ferengi way of life seemed to make *sense*. For this one, eloquent moment, we saw how the Ferengi had been able to survive all of these years, and what made their way of life livable.

    • @TheSaneHatter
      @TheSaneHatter 9 лет назад +125

      ***** Not to sound quarrelsome, but that's not *quite* true. The Ferengi hadn't fought in a large-scale, interstellar war, but they did fight occasionally, and they did fight each other in their early history: Nog, remarking on the fast pace of human history, points out that they needed 10,000 years just to establish the Ferengi Alliance.
      What they didn't have, Quark pointed out once, was genocide or chattel slavery in their history. Neither did they irradiate their own planet with the indiscriminate use of nuclear fission. but I digress.

    • @TheBellman
      @TheBellman 9 лет назад +41

      Nick Hentschel I was always a little disturbed by the way they treat their women as chattel though. Not only does that not really fit with that previous narrative as you put it, but also with the meritocratic parts of their outlook. I'm not sure whether that's saying something about the nearsightedness of the species or it's just the writers doing a little American jabbing.

    • @TheSaneHatter
      @TheSaneHatter 9 лет назад +50

      The Bellman Excuse me, but that's changing the subject a bit. I don't recall stating any sort of "narrative" like you describe, much less calling Ferengi culture a meritocracy. You're reading far too much into what I said.
      All I said, was that this scene showed how there was *some* logic in the Ferengi's point of view, and that in turn, this suggested how their seemingly warped culture had survived. I never touched on the status of women, or the other topics you mention, and frankly, the "chattel" issue isn't relevant to this scene.

    • @TheBellman
      @TheBellman 9 лет назад +27

      Nick Hentschel
      I just wanted to introduce a question. You did put forth Quark's narrative about how the Ferengi never had Chattel slavery or genocide, and their survival of the fittest outlook was to their advantage, which is why I said it's odd that the status of women in their society didn't evolve down a similar path. That's all.

    • @TheSaneHatter
      @TheSaneHatter 9 лет назад +17

      The Bellman Sorry; let me back up a bit here.
      First, please pardon me for sounding snappish. I've had recent problems, right here on YT, with people who hijacked conversations without permission, trying to drag me into side subjects that I didn't feel like discussing. They even got mad at me when I refused to do so, and I'm afraid it's made me defensive.
      Second, I thought you were responding to my original post, not the side discussion I started with CYP. I did get involved with a disucssion of the Ferengi's history, and it included a mention of the Ferengi not engaging in what I should have called, "commercial" slavery. Even so, I was mostly correcting CYP's misquotes, with much of my own information coming from Memory Alpha (the Star Trek Wiki).
      Again, I never called the Ferengi, "meritocrats," nor defended, "survival of the fittest." You're still reading things into my remarks that I didn't say. I simply pointed out that the profit-minded view had some validity here, and that is shed light on Ferengi history as a whole.

  • @ramonepedgio5964
    @ramonepedgio5964 Год назад +4

    That is some seriously GREAT writing.

  • @burprobrox9134
    @burprobrox9134 11 месяцев назад +2

    I met Quark in Las Vegas once. He had a restaurant there, which was very nice. Unfortunately we ended up attacked by the Borg.

  • @misteridiot
    @misteridiot 3 года назад +467

    Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.

    • @joefloggg3257
      @joefloggg3257 2 года назад +21

      My favorite rule of acquisition

    • @augustwinterman6952
      @augustwinterman6952 2 года назад +18

      No joke, I've played strategy games where such a thing is possible, and it definitely confuses the hell out of me at times.

    • @vsgfilmgroup
      @vsgfilmgroup 2 года назад +13

      Peace is good for business.

    • @SamAx57
      @SamAx57 2 года назад +16

      @@vsgfilmgroup war is good for business

    • @jonathanathor117
      @jonathanathor117 2 года назад +8

      @@SamAx57 When no appropriate rule applies, make one up.

  • @christophfischer2773
    @christophfischer2773 3 года назад +297

    "I know the Kardashians can't be trusted"
    sounds about right.

    • @itsaguinness
      @itsaguinness 2 года назад +24

      Quark and Kanye learned the Rules of Acquisition fast.
      Rule #40: "She can touch your lobes but never your latinum."

    • @ruthlessdraculigula1051
      @ruthlessdraculigula1051 2 года назад

      Lol.

    • @JMandJJ7797
      @JMandJJ7797 2 года назад +1

      Apparently they are called Cardassians or something like that but damn does it sound like they said the infamous family.

  • @devoteeofgeorgesmiley7184
    @devoteeofgeorgesmiley7184 7 месяцев назад +2

    "I am a Vulcan."
    A sexy Vulcan.

  • @p.o.9964
    @p.o.9964 7 дней назад +1

    I love the look of the Vulcan. I can see her thoughts "did I just get a sensible logic lecture from a Ferengi?" So well done.

  • @andregordon2599
    @andregordon2599 3 года назад +1597

    One of my favourite podcasters, Dan Carlin, once said that wars are basically the question of "How many atrocities are you willing to acquire to achieve your goal?". In that lens, Quark is 100% right: going for the maximum possible cost is ridiculous, and frankly horrifying. Peace and diplomacy is alway the best choice for either side, as it is the "cheapest"

    • @jeffreypeters2803
      @jeffreypeters2803 2 года назад +69

      You could even add on to the metaphor with the fact that escalating the conflict in this case not only drives up the cost of peace in terms of lives, material, and territory, but also in terms of the sheer time and the labor that goes into maintaining a conflict

    • @dougmillhoff9192
      @dougmillhoff9192 2 года назад +13

      @@jeffreypeters2803 Well, time is money.

    • @snakezase2998
      @snakezase2998 2 года назад +2

      @TrueFact profitable yes inevitable no

    • @orppranator5230
      @orppranator5230 2 года назад +9

      Wrong. Peace and diplomacy were not the best choice right before every rightful revolution in history.
      Violence against those who make peace impossible, while perpetuating oppression, is the best choice.

    • @WH40KHero
      @WH40KHero 2 года назад +38

      It depends. Sometimes peace is the cheapest solution. But sometimes trying to keep up a peace by all means necesarry can be just as costly or even more costly then war.
      And sometimes war can be the cheapest solution to a long standing conflict.

  • @kuronyra1709
    @kuronyra1709 4 года назад +371

    Her face at the end...
    ".... God damn it he's right..."

    • @michaelmorton5698
      @michaelmorton5698 3 года назад +13

      Don't you mean "Surak damn it, he's right..."?

    • @tulipalll
      @tulipalll 3 года назад +6

      More like: "Daaaaamn... is it Pon'Far already?"

    • @LordZontar
      @LordZontar 2 года назад +2

      Later, Saakona comes up to Quark: "I have come to the logical conclusion that we should have sex."

  • @reverendmatleon5060
    @reverendmatleon5060 2 года назад +3

    Wise Quark... 1:17 "Look, I know the Kardashians can't be trusted..." My man !!!

  • @euphan123
    @euphan123 2 года назад +4

    Buying peace is like buying love. Once you have it, your worrying that you’ll lose it

  • @aurex8937
    @aurex8937 4 года назад +697

    2:33 When you realize you're 100 years old, incredibly intelligent and logical but you just got your ass handed over to you ON LOGIC by a Ferengi bartender.

    • @matthewkreps3352
      @matthewkreps3352 3 года назад +41

      Business owner. Quark may tend the bar, but he also owns the bar/restaurant/casino.

    • @angelangelis8362
      @angelangelis8362 3 года назад +33

      @@matthewkreps3352 On a station in the middle of an area that is contested space in all but name only. He's come back from nearly full failure of his business multiple times. He's a survivor, and survivors aren't know to be stupid. His family has a tendency to be very smart too. Rom aside, his nephew Nog "beat" the Kobiashi Maru by causing the program to completely crash when he engaged the AI in a prolonged negotiations for the freedom of the crew. XD

    • @shadowtheimpure
      @shadowtheimpure 3 года назад +16

      To be fair to that Vulcan, she was approaching the logic from the wrong angle. Her logic was sound, if you failed to take into account alternative courses of action. Quark simply presented her with another perspective and another approach to resolving the conflict.

    • @ConnorJScholten
      @ConnorJScholten 3 года назад +4

      @@matthewkreps3352 Not to mention Brothel... *ahem* Holosuite.

    • @mikahael1
      @mikahael1 3 года назад +3

      @@angelangelis8362 hey Rom is a genius too. He was made Grand Negus after Zek retired

  • @thorshammer7883
    @thorshammer7883 3 года назад +630

    This sounds like a lesson Andrew Ryan from Bioshock 1 could learn from because his management of Rapture fell apart really quickly.
    Fun fact Quark's actor did the voice of Andrew Ryan in the game.

    • @JohnnyQuickdeath
      @JohnnyQuickdeath 3 года назад +33

      NO WAY

    • @Sewblon
      @Sewblon 3 года назад +6

      could you elaborate on that?

    • @faithknight400
      @faithknight400 3 года назад +5

      ironic isn't it

    • @elise205
      @elise205 3 года назад +61

      That's also very funny because Andrew Ryan is very similar in political ideology to Mr House from Fallout, who is voiced by the actor of Odo. The Stupendium references this in his Mr House rap, when he says "ask my buddy, Andrew Ryan"

    • @greenbasterd9425
      @greenbasterd9425 3 года назад +1

      Interesting fact. I just started playing the first one.

  • @spyczech
    @spyczech Год назад +5

    Studying lots of history and wars it's so true how often a minor advantage on one side totally forestals peace when one side feels they have an advantage

  • @UnderTheBridge96
    @UnderTheBridge96 Год назад +2

    “I know the Kardashians can’t be trusted”
    *HE TRIED TO WARN US* !!! 😅😂

  • @saeedbaig4249
    @saeedbaig4249 4 года назад +759

    This reminds me of that Doctor Who speech:
    "When you fire that first shot, you have no idea who's going to die. How much blood will spill until everybody does what they were always going to have to do from the very beginning; sit down and talk."
    Peace can be earned the easy way or the hard way; you can sit down and talk now, or after many needless casualties.

    • @penguinusrex
      @penguinusrex 4 года назад +27

      I love that speech so much. Good reference.

    • @napoleonsolo5929
      @napoleonsolo5929 4 года назад +15

      Twelve's greatest moment. None of the others except(maybe) Tom Baker could've pulled that off.

    • @kurtsnyder4752
      @kurtsnyder4752 3 года назад +11

      @Ricardo Santos Actually WWI was the start of communism, the distorted funhouse mirror image of socialism.

    • @tilly704
      @tilly704 3 года назад +3

      the diference is that quark maque actually sense... Doctor who... is just jibijabish
      ..

    • @blackshadow-ps3fx
      @blackshadow-ps3fx 3 года назад +17

      Yah but the thing about peace is that it only works if both sides want it. WW1 taught us that war is hell but ww2 taught us that appeasement is a greater hell.

  • @bemasaberwyn55
    @bemasaberwyn55 8 лет назад +1153

    You know it's scary when Quark makes sense

    • @MrOtakuNE
      @MrOtakuNE 8 лет назад +242

      Quark was always smarter and more clever than anyone gave him credit for.

    • @dkupke
      @dkupke 7 лет назад +97

      That's how he knew Odo really loved him.

    • @Zellig
      @Zellig 7 лет назад +30

      The Kardashians should never be trusted; this is COMMON sense.

    • @Michael-bu3us
      @Michael-bu3us 7 лет назад +1

      Hey that's racist

    • @richardjackson9584
      @richardjackson9584 6 лет назад +4

      See this right here should be turned into a political speech.

  • @devonoliver8896
    @devonoliver8896 Год назад +9

    The scary thing is he could actually be a really good negotiator

  • @scrappybristol2011
    @scrappybristol2011 Год назад +2

    Quark, the Ferengi that out logic’d a Vulcan and out honored a Klingon.

  • @sparkius30
    @sparkius30 2 года назад +446

    When I was young, I loved Star Trek for the space battles. As an adult, I love it for the consistently great dialogue.

    • @Idazmi7
      @Idazmi7 2 года назад +6

      I always loved Star Trek for both.

    • @geokon3
      @geokon3 2 года назад +7

      For real... an unexpected philosophy school disguised as a "bam boom" show

    • @briangruessner4453
      @briangruessner4453 2 года назад +10

      You know you're an adult when you watch a scene for the dazzling diplomacy.

    • @SCHMALLZZZ
      @SCHMALLZZZ Год назад

      The excessive pseudo -science dialog actually bugs me more as an adult.

    • @Cr4z3d
      @Cr4z3d Год назад

      I liked it for both, even as a kid

  • @Animalover205
    @Animalover205 2 года назад +1224

    Quark may be a corrupt toad some times, but he was also right in a lot of ways. Using the Rules of aquasition he has managed to save a Klingon house, teach a Vulcan about logic, safe the station, put Kira in her place about the Dominion occupation, AND save Sisko's marriage.

    • @jimolinger3149
      @jimolinger3149 2 года назад +76

      Quark was frequently the moral compass of DS9.

    • @jamesbrice3267
      @jamesbrice3267 2 года назад +148

      @@jimolinger3149 "Our people never committed genocide or slavery, who are you to judge us?" Quark to Sisko.

    • @JK-uy8yi
      @JK-uy8yi 2 года назад +29

      An opportunistic toad, besides the few times they regress him to TNG Ferengi dastardlyness so they could have a proper mini villain every once and awhile in the early seasons.

    • @SkellyHertz
      @SkellyHertz 2 года назад +55

      More like an ethical compass. A merchant wants a stable system with as many customers as possible, and also one that he can subvert for personal gains when he wants, especially when he can have a hand in shaping that system to benefit himself in some way.

    • @nicolezhang8116
      @nicolezhang8116 Год назад +36

      They're just amazingly pragmatic at the end of the day. I can't really name a species more gray and practical than the Ferengi.

  • @justsomejerseydevilwithint4606
    @justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 7 месяцев назад +2

    Gotta admit Quark has BALLS to look a vulcan diplomat dead in the eyes and tell them they're being illogical.

  • @wufspyder
    @wufspyder Год назад +3

    Her expression of cluelessness is priceless.
    Something that a Feringi would truly appreciate.

  • @SeleenShadowpaw
    @SeleenShadowpaw 5 лет назад +486

    0:15
    "Look, i know the Kardashians can't be trusted..."
    Truer words quark, truer words...

    • @canis9749
      @canis9749 4 года назад +5

      Cardassians are from star trek, Kardashians are the idiot celeb family.
      so

    • @mrwhat5094
      @mrwhat5094 4 года назад

      You guys realize its a pun right?

    • @A3ATOT
      @A3ATOT 4 года назад

      @Devil Dub Garak always says he can't be trusted, because nobody can be trusted, even yourself

  • @Jadefox32
    @Jadefox32 3 года назад +299

    "Whatever it costs" is a rather....emotional....statement for a Vulcan to make. Like the Ferengi with their business sense, a Vulcan should have enough logical understanding to realize the current strategy was untenable in the long run. I miss THIS Trek.

    • @reeses2150
      @reeses2150 2 года назад +14

      Me too. Modern Trek in basically every one of it's incarnations has been reduced to villains and heroes at best and idiots being idiots at worst. I miss Trek.

    • @NeilRoy
      @NeilRoy 2 года назад +2

      Vulcan's never claimed to have no emotions, but they have learned to control them.

    • @Jadefox32
      @Jadefox32 Год назад

      ​@Neil Roy you misunderstand, it's not about the fact that Vulcan's have emotions it's about the Vulcan logic so what Quark is saying should have been apparent from the beginning without Quark having to explain it.

    • @becausebuzzbomb6133
      @becausebuzzbomb6133 Год назад

      @@Jadefox32 I think those were just two logical perspectives. The Vulcan wanted peace more than anything else, so it's logical they would pay any price. Quark's logic was that even peace should have a limited price tag, or at least that you should try to acquire it at a discount.
      I don't think those two views are mutually exclusive. What's logical is very dependent on what you know or perceive at the time.
      Examples are plentiful: for instance, it's logical to terminate a contract with a business partner if it's not profitable, right? But then you realize that the partner is a global company that will open other opportunities in the future and suddenly, working without (immediate) profit might be the best and most logical business decision you will make in your life.
      Getting back to the scene, the Vulcan lady simply didn't perceive the facts the way Quark did. That didn't make her logic wrong, just inferior. And even that could be debated (for instance, she was willing to pay any price - including listening to a Ferengi. So she did, in fact, do whatever was necessary - willingness to pay any price is not mutually exclusive with willingness to pay a low price either).

    • @Jadefox32
      @Jadefox32 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@becausebuzzbomb6133indeed that's true.

  • @sparky250
    @sparky250 6 месяцев назад +2

    "I'll make it so simple that even a Vulcan can understand it." Quark

  • @ZAPPED916
    @ZAPPED916 2 года назад +3

    @1:39 Geico’s new tagline!