Bruce mentions predicting where the lift is so you start turning before you are in it. Firstly how do you know where the lift is if there are no markers? Secondly wouldn't turning before you are in the lift have you turning away from the lift, certainly away from the core surely. I must have misunderstood his statement.
To predict is to anticipate, the wing movement in the air will usually indicate which side the lift is at, and also usually it will be upwind. Not always, depends if you flying downwind, cross wind or head wind. By turning a little bit ahead, you make sure that your turning will be in the center, as it takes some time for the wing to start the turn and those extra moments makes a difference, if you turn just as you enter more often then not you'll fall out of it.
I have a thought that then you push speedbar , you actualy change the shape of profile (decreasing the angle of attack), applying the C-brake (on one side for turning) you (kinda) bring this side angle of attack back = the turn is happening. Imho this should not be efficient since half of the profile has a descreased angle and the other side is kinda broken (glider shape is not same then speedbar and C2B brakes are applied). What you think ?
I have used C/B steering in thermals, to me it seems to be better in light shattered lift, instead of breaks. As this helps the wing float better between the bubbles. I also think that it highly depends on the wings design. As every designer makes their wings a bit different. The biggest adventage for the C/B is on glides, dough. It feels closer to what a two liner control is while having much more passive safty of a 3 liner. I do use it in thermaling every now and then.
For the speed bar and breaking, not sure about it. I do sometimes use speedbar in thermals but it is more to enter into them or apply just a bit of bar to help penetrate into wind, while turning in 360's. Haven't tryed adding bar and turning for long period.
I'm new I'm just getting through my ground handling. I have an epsilon 9 and I'm coming heavy like a gangster if I shave my head I'm just at the weight limit for the most weight I can have. I thought if I could just get launched and get up in the air I could stove the brakes and weight shift for everything until I got closer to the ground. Will this work?
Not sure what you mean by weight shift for everything. Brakes definitely are something I use every single flight, I just try to use less of them to be more efficient.
Not sure about all this.... You don't have an indicator of the slip/slid factor of your turn. If you just weightshift, the turn will surely be out of good coordination, that's why a certain amount of break is always required. In very narrow thermals, I think you need to break in order to reduce your turning radius. Of course your wing performance will be worse, but you'll be able to stay in the lift. No breaks and you'll fall out of it...
All you said is true, what Bruce is talking about is to use the less amount of input to get exactly the type of turn you want. Sometimes it means getting the wing to a spin point sometimes wheight-shift is all you need to milk say a 0.1 m/s lift. It all depends. The idea is to anticipate thing to be able to use as little input as possible for any given situation. Dose this clarify things?
Hey! Thanks for the Awesome Videos! One quick question, since we get into lifting air while thermaling, wouldn’t it be logical to fly in it slower by braking more, in order to stay longer in lifting air? 😅
Brilliant! More of this please!
Thank you glad you enjoyed this one. There are more in production, stay tuned.
Thanks Bruce!
I'm glad you found it useful!
Bruce mentions predicting where the lift is so you start turning before you are in it. Firstly how do you know where the lift is if there are no markers? Secondly wouldn't turning before you are in the lift have you turning away from the lift, certainly away from the core surely. I must have misunderstood his statement.
To predict is to anticipate, the wing movement in the air will usually indicate which side the lift is at, and also usually it will be upwind. Not always, depends if you flying downwind, cross wind or head wind. By turning a little bit ahead, you make sure that your turning will be in the center, as it takes some time for the wing to start the turn and those extra moments makes a difference, if you turn just as you enter more often then not you'll fall out of it.
I bought some thermal sunglasses from EBay so I can see the thermal before I get to it!😎
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Prieks ka patika! 😍
I’m flying a BGD wing, should I use weight shifting or brake on thermaling?
Both, and sometimes C-risers.
love the principle of better timing > smaller inputs
I have been implementing this concept for years, timing is everything.
Karlis, what harness are you flying?
Hi Simon, mostly the X-Alps Range 2 from Skywalk.
Just keen to know, what about using the C2B brakes on the hybrid wings while thermaling, how efficient is that?
I have a thought that then you push speedbar , you actualy change the shape of profile (decreasing the angle of attack), applying the C-brake (on one side for turning) you (kinda) bring this side angle of attack back = the turn is happening. Imho this should not be efficient since half of the profile has a descreased angle and the other side is kinda broken (glider shape is not same then speedbar and C2B brakes are applied). What you think ?
I have used C/B steering in thermals, to me it seems to be better in light shattered lift, instead of breaks. As this helps the wing float better between the bubbles. I also think that it highly depends on the wings design. As every designer makes their wings a bit different.
The biggest adventage for the C/B is on glides, dough. It feels closer to what a two liner control is while having much more passive safty of a 3 liner.
I do use it in thermaling every now and then.
For the speed bar and breaking, not sure about it. I do sometimes use speedbar in thermals but it is more to enter into them or apply just a bit of bar to help penetrate into wind, while turning in 360's.
Haven't tryed adding bar and turning for long period.
I'm new I'm just getting through my ground handling. I have an epsilon 9 and I'm coming heavy like a gangster if I shave my head I'm just at the weight limit for the most weight I can have. I thought if I could just get launched and get up in the air I could stove the brakes and weight shift for everything until I got closer to the ground. Will this work?
Not sure what you mean by weight shift for everything. Brakes definitely are something I use every single flight, I just try to use less of them to be more efficient.
Not sure about all this.... You don't have an indicator of the slip/slid factor of your turn. If you just weightshift, the turn will surely be out of good coordination, that's why a certain amount of break is always required.
In very narrow thermals, I think you need to break in order to reduce your turning radius. Of course your wing performance will be worse, but you'll be able to stay in the lift. No breaks and you'll fall out of it...
All you said is true, what Bruce is talking about is to use the less amount of input to get exactly the type of turn you want. Sometimes it means getting the wing to a spin point sometimes wheight-shift is all you need to milk say a 0.1 m/s lift.
It all depends. The idea is to anticipate thing to be able to use as little input as possible for any given situation.
Dose this clarify things?
@@FlyingKarlis Got it! Thanks for the reply
Hey! Thanks for the Awesome Videos! One quick question, since we get into lifting air while thermaling, wouldn’t it be logical to fly in it slower by braking more, in order to stay longer in lifting air? 😅
How to fly faster = use less brake! 😀
yes, fly straight on glides 😅
A little bit speed bar will be like salt on soup😂
@@erdal19922007 because of being able to release something when canopy pitches forward or just because of performance?
Bruce's wing colour schemes are ridiculous.
I quite like it 🥰
I like it too. The thing is, this is not for free, people who don't like it don't buy it :)
Ridiculously good!