Trucking Company Forces Truck Drivers To Falsify Their Log Books 😵
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2023
- Truck Driver Says That Trucking Company Only Will Hire Drivers That Falsify Their Log Books
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Man I'm tired of this shit if you don't want to run with the big boys go to swift simple
Hell, I wrote a novel from my heart and experience!
Never let a company play you, stand your ground.
Why Not Go Somewhere Else
Can't even get the federal minimum wage out of them so maybe it is time to simply play them back in court for their illicit practices human labor trafficking. Commercial license are unconstitutional and the tax charging politicians need sued for their misclassification of unemployed individuals that do not match the definition of the words commercial nor commerce to be holding nor training for such a license without commercial employment of the federal minimum wage or commercial ownership of a business. To meet commercial standard a person must be being compensated the federal minimum wage. The feds called it the minimum wage because it is not the option wage which is why all license and training claiming to be commercial should be shut down and sued for the federal minimum wage to meet the minimum definition of commercial and commerce trading rather than only meeting the definition of slave driving and human labor trafficking. The lawyers could even help the unemployed license holders become commercial by suing the human labor traffickers failing to meet the compensation of the federal minimum wage out of their business and off their property as the unemployed individuals will become the new owners while the human labor traffickers will be in jail for compensating less than the federal minimum wage for peoples time.
i got same problem
ALWAYS protect your license. We gotta make better choices. Personally and professionally.
If you're a good driver and pray when you get-up before turning the key. Your life will improve.
Amen to that driver. I need to do more praying before driving myself.
@@Brett235 TX.
Amen 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Pray to who? For what? Why?
DOT and FMCSA will send undercover people to investigate. Report them. One company I worked for had that happen and they got shut down. It was an "interesting" time there.
Driving fatigue putting everyone family in harm’s way, that’s never okay
You will be more of a danger when you'll be forced to sleep while you can't sleep and forced to drive while you are sleepy by the overly strict logbook.
Over 43 years I used to be able to turn in the most creative legal logs you ever seen the good old days I slept when I was tired not when they told me too
You still can
Just run legal
@@charleshanna2089 not with the 14 hrs BS
@@charleshanna2089you can rush to your nice loves parking spot at 3pm. I’m gonna just keep rolling n make double. I take a nap if I need to.
If you falsify your logs and get caught that's on you not the company
They falsified. The owners are murderers based on the logic in these comments they can go to prison for premeditated murder and spend the rest of their life there.
@@DRNT940 The fact is he had knowledge. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Sometimes the D.O.T. will shut down both company and driver. This can easily happen in this case unflinchingly.
@@Polemic-2525 and send the owner of the company to prison. I'm sure they coerced the driver so no its not the drivers fault.
@@DRNT940a driver can be coerced but that driver doesn't have to go along with it. Stand your ground and don't be afraid to walk away. I've been working for the same guy for 10 years z he's a great guy, but I always have a plan b just in case he goes rogue.
Facts
I would immediately report such a company.
This is your license,don't let them force you to drive illegal
I almost took people at my company s freaking heads off over my license 1 time,never had that problem again, and it's my truck too,
Damn... What did they do? 🤣🤣
The extra money isn't worth it.
It never is, mo money mo problems innit? Mf?
This comment needs more attention, And likes
Liked this comment. Also because sometimes “extra money” is exactly the reason these guys are in this situation. A better course would be to have found a better employer who will pay you your worth. A shift in trucking will happen soon, but I feel bad these folks had to take it on the chin before it got better. The “extra money” cost more in the end.
Try it sometimes, then you can judge. Its the difference between living comfortably or living on the fence.
The driver is in a tough situation. We know snitches get stitches, but he needs an attorney that can help him get his record cleared, exsponged or whatever to be able to move to an employer that appreciates him. That may involve getting in contact with the Department of Transportation Office if the Inspector General to clear his record and exposing the company to get compensated. The OIG is where Whistleblowers get heard and paid.
Best and most thoughtful advice I have read.
The fact that he is on record, on camera, admitting fault there's really nothing that can be done. A driver must have proof of coercion like text messages or recorded phone calls before they will investigate. I've been through this in the past and that's what I was told by the DOT. If a driver is constantly breaking the hos and not reporting it then the officers look at that as complacency.
Get the fuck out of here with that snitches get stitches I would report this fucking company to the DOT so fast
Nothing a lawyer can do. He knew what he was doing AND admitted it. Zero chance, should’ve got out before he dug his own grave. His best bet is to record and save all evidence of his company forcing him to do these illegal stuff and sue the company.
He voluntarily drove while out of hours.
That's 100% on him.
Can’t do the time…don’t do the crime….We all know this is the only way that drives make money now days!!
Thank you, exactly
If that driver gets fired from that job all they have to do is keep a copy of everything. He's doing and presented to United States DOT and there will go to these companies and they will check them out the driver should get paid more money. Due to he has to take a risk of doing it but it comes down to it. He has the right to say no I cannot move the vehicle. I'm done i'm going to sleep i'm going to get my ten hour break
These type of carriers are why rates are garbage right now. These carriers will throw you under the bus, why you think they run with 5 different mc#’s. Dot would’ve known anyways.
Almost 30 years ago, the "safety director"/ dispatcher of a company I worked for threatened me if I didn't falsify my logs......I cleaned out my truck and quit on the spot.
Shouldnt have lied and its the drivers fault.
Driver didn't falsify his logs they did. Don't care what your excuses are owners can go to prison.
It is not the driver's fault for being a whistleblower
@@DRNT940the driver was fully aware that they ran illegally, and he willingly participated in those illegal actions, he cashed his paycheck every week. That would be like working for the Mafia and then get surprised when they ask you to wack someone. Don't work for the Mafia to begin with.
If he runs illegally he's wrong. If he whistle blows he's wrong. Make up your minds you hypocrites! 🙄
You have to pay to play. You can't cry when you get caught doing dirty stuff, especially when you are a party to it. Don't run dirty if you can't pay the consequences.
He knew what he was doing was wrong, but he took the risk anyway and now he needs to be held accountable for it.
I started at Covenant transport 20 years ago, and the trainer insisted I run two logs. Covenant made me run illegally for 6 months before I quit and jumped to my current company.
If you do it Once for a company they will expect you to do it all the time
All HOS should be paid; widespread cheating would reduce 90%.
Abolish the PAY-BY-MILE SYSTEM, PERCENTAGE SYSTEM, Pay by Load SYSTEM, FLAT RATE SYSTEM and widespread cheating would be reduced by 90%.
There should be expensive consequences to Carriers and Drivers who cheat with a Pay by Hour System.
The pay by hour system doesn't really work for regional or otr drivers. There's too many drivers that will set on the clock when they don't have to or shouldn't be. Like getting fuel and being on duty for an hour.
@@Brett235 The PAY BY HOUR SYSTEM would "weed out the clock milkers" retaining more drivers being paid for all HOS.
It's up to the truck owners to fire/let go "clock milkers."
Owner Operators should be paid by a premium for all HOS as well. For instance: the time it takes to drive from Bangor, ME to San Diego, Californication is already in the system. Proof is the call or notification you get when you're running late.
My contention is Drivers are not being paid on a widespread basis for all HOS.
Some people (the Carriers and office WEASELS) claim the PAY-BY-MILE SYSTEM keeps costs down. Does it keep Safety up ?
@@Brett235 only until they start missing out on loads because they're always running out of hours. Reduced pay rates when not on a load will help with that issue.
From 2006 to 2011 often, because I quit twice and went back to them. I drove for Knight transportation out of Kansas City. Almost like clockwork every 2 1/2 to 3 months or so after I’ve been driving all day they would give me an option to either go pick up a load and run all night or “ I maybe sitting for two or three days till I get another load“ like a dumb ass I would go ahead and run. I never got caught. The first couple years was paper logs After that it was electronic logs and they had to do the modifying. I don’t have any proof of what I’m saying just my word. After I left them I became an owner operator. I can’t tell you how happy I was to hear them be so strict on following the rules as far as everything went especially hours. I was an owner operator there for eight years. Bought four houses and one duplex. I’m done with trucking now. I got in and got out. Thank God no one got hurt. And I got out alive. No thanks to knight Transportation. Those bastards put my back against the wall. Financially hindsight I never should’ve done it but I did. It’s far as this driver I’m sure they got his back against the wall too.☮️🇺🇸
Earn extra money only to pay it back in fine's, now that is a smart move. Make extra pay and then need to make payments on fine's? Where is all that extra $$$?
You are in charge of your own destiny… Too many people only regret what they’ve done when they get caught. I’ve always said do what you want to do but be prepared to accept any consequences. We sure are ready to accept the rewards…
👏👏👏 truth.
Real advice drive that truck and fully loaded trl straight into any river!!! Any make sure u have both windows rolled all the way up.
These companies hiring drivers and then making them run illegally need to be prosecuted and shut down, the driver tossing himself under the bus and basically taking the hit for the company, cause the company probably said "we didn't tell him to do that " I agree with a few others get a lawyer and rack this company under the coals, if he has elogs they are controlled by the company and they are changing their logs, trust a good IT specialist can chase it to the computer that done the changes, just like your previous one where he was filming it and they changed it, there's a trail out there
Or just don't be a pussy and finish the load you took and then go to sleep.
If a company tells me this at orientation im leaving orientation.
Man 😂what I’m running out the door
If I were to run dirty it will be because I chose to, not because they're making me do it. The minute they give me that ultimatum that's the day they get their truck back.
They won't tell you at orientation. They ease you into it just like a smooth talking narcissist, you don't even know it's happening. That goes especially if you don't know the laws by heart, or they change the rules every 6 months to a year. And now you know why our education system is spitting out more ignorant kids every year. Standards Obfuscation.
There are definitely companies out there that will hire him, all he has to do is go out there and look for them. Then he should call them after applying and explain the situation and tell them he doesn't want to run illegally, but if he doesn't he will lose his home and things like that at this point is life. Good trucking companies. Really appreciate honesty and a lot. Will give you a chance if you're willing to do things the right way.
One thing i don't understand,
I thought companies were barred 🤔 from changing their drivers' HOS
Lol I thought drivers weren’t allowed to speed lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
I didn't need the company to tell me to falsify my logs. I did it on my own.. way before elogs. Loose leafs was the way to go..👍
Me 2
He's a fool!
EME in Michigan will change your hours to keep you driving
My brother in law ran for a lot of "coyote" companies. This is commonplace for them.
Take a picture on your camera showing the messages on the screen. Then, if they retaliate, you got proof as to why. But, in the end, it is the drivers responsibility to say no. If they persist, take a picture of the messages. In the end, if you get caught, YOU will pay-not the company.
Easier said than done. But what happens when you can't afford a lawyer and also struggle to find one?
Sleep happens. Don't let it happen to you.
When I was a new driver I contacted my dispatcher and let him know I was out of hrs. He said “how did that happen? Didn’t the senior drivers teach you how to cheat? Just tear out two pages and pretend you had 2 days off. Keep going because I have 40 loads on my desk”. Being young and in need of money I did it. That’s back when I was waiting in line 45 hrs a week and getting paid nothing for waiting.
Companies WILL Take Advantage of NAIVE Drivers.
Remember that an experienced trooper knows things and will use it. Cheating is an old thing.
@@tre_4 and desperate for people if they smell that you're in a tight position they're going to use it to their advantage... you better act like you don't need the company..
@@randy3588 , Amen to that.
Walk away from them it's not worth your CDL or your life. Since your alone with very lil overhead just look for a company to hire you. There will be a company that will work with your record.
I'm looking to sue a company that not only force dispatch me being also wage thefting me as retaliation. Finding a lawyer requires patience, but I'm confident that I can win.
I thought ELD’s were supposed to keep everyone honest and make the roads safer.
They are. Why do you think he got caught.
The only thing the ELD does is make drivers run faster and harder to try to make the same amount of money and the hours allowed on the eld’s before they have to shut down. It’s not safer it’s actually a lot less safe but that’s how the government wants it.
I drive more tired now with elds, so much for roads been safer. The stats shows that there are more accidents since eld.
@@sowah2f what a comical load of horseshit.
That's what they want everybody to believe but it's all about control at the end of the day
A law was unplanted for a reason. This is for their own protection and others out there. If he dies his family has more to loose. They need their rest.
I love driving my 68 mph truck for a company that is 100% debt free and has great shippers and receivers. The most stress in my day is dealing with rookies who jump into fast trucks and think they own the road.
I have 32 years OTR with one speeding ticket i received in 2000, and one accident ruled non preventable, I could get a job driving for any company i want, i chose a solid company that i don't have to worry about being paid or violating laws at their insistence all while i protect my CDL and more importantly, my life, as well as those Ishare the road with.
I make more money as a Professional Driver then when I was a Freight Conductor. Many Freight Conductors work 6 days a week on-call. 2 hour call to work and the 1 day off isn’t guaranteed for a Freight Conductor. I work 5 days a week and know when I’m going to work. I made a $100k last year as a Driver and never broke $85k as a freight conductor.
Running over your hours or editing the clock because you need to provide for your family is your fault. People use “family” and “putting food on the table” to make it sound better. He should have managed his money better and told his family “no we can’t afford this or that”. Over running the clock or editing the clock is hustling backwards, selfish, unhealthy and a good way to work yourself and your coworkers out of a job because your actually doing two people’s jobs. Sometimes 3 people’s jobs.
He hired on knowing he has to lie then he was honest and put him self in this situation. I understand the driver, but he is responsible for his own license he through himself and the company under the bus. If he wanted to be honest he shouldn't have started working for that company.
Your channel is blessing to all trk drivers. Thank you for being a voice to all of us.
I was once told by dispatch to do something unsafe I smple said to dispatch that they were about 800 miles away and that was my decision. Also as told by upper mgmt. I was the captain of the ship. I think that there wasn't really anything they could do because they aren't going to go to the DOT and say this guy won't run illegal. Now that logs are computerized and they can reset them adds to the equation, I was running paper logs at the time. In hindsight, (which is always 20/20) going down that path to begin with was his mistake. My best to all stuck in that situation.
It's simple just find a new line of work until your driving record clears, or hire a good lawyer and change it to none moving violation 😊
Easier said than done. 🙄
if you know already thats what they do and still chose to do it and then tell on them idk im torn between you snitching on them when you already were ok with doing it you both are in the wrong
I had a company from IL tell me they charge the driver 60 a week for logs so if the driver wanted to run extra miles they could, however, the driver was being paid by the load not the mile. I stopped all communication with them. Red flag after red flag
Unfortunately, you’re going to have to run for less or not at all.
Expect to drive just to sustain yourself at your current company and hope they don’t fire you or, you get a different job for a while until your score improves. High reward comes with high risk and sometimes the risk wasn’t worth the reward.
Part of learning. Sh!t happens. You either get up and try again or not. First time it happened, he should have turned the keys in.
All it takes is one catastrophic wreck for the powers-that-be to take (even more) nanny state actions on us drivers!
From my understanding, this poor guy was a victim of spousal abuse. The significant other demanded this driver to cough up money or else. This relationship forced the driver to make another dumb decision by working for a corrupt company and now the driver is paying the price. There are companies that'd look into hiring this driver but a lot of companies don't want their CSA score dragged down by a multiple offender. You hold a CDL which means you are fully aware of the rules and regulations you obide by. There's no real easy out of this one while trying to remain in the game.
That's his fault for allowing himself to be manipulated. That's his choice, he wasn't forced to do it.
When you dance with the devil the devil will choose the tune. That sucks. I have been in this industry for 20 years and there are a lot of traps in the business. Things that will lure you into thinking there is an easier way to ... whatever. It isn't and you will get chewed up and spit out like everyone else. The only way out is the long hard path of going honest and taking all of those licks that you thought you were skipping. Sometimes that path is years long. All points fall off after 10 years. I am another tired trucker that can't figure out how to leave this business.
Thank you for this brother!
Here's the Deal Never Never Falsify your Log for anyone ever
I shut a company out of Kansas down for this very thing... they weren't up front about it and the safety director was doing it at the original owners son's direction, but Frank didn't need any help being corrupt.
I'm hoping to do the same to a company that shaves my miles, coerce me to drive, set me up on a load with alcohol without my knowledge, and is deducting my paycheck out of retaliation. I just need to find a lawyer.
Just remember if something horrible was to happen, like a bad accident or something, that everyone has a cell phone and it tracks everywhere and when you been somewhere
Unfortunately their are "NO" Shortcuts in this life. The law will catch up with you sooner than later with the technology in todays world 🌎.. Good Luck😮
I get it but you shouldn’t put yourself in a situation like that.
Desperate times calls for Desperate measures. Other situations might have made him take that deal.
Outside the big companies, this is common. Fmcsa should come down extremely hard on the company owners and managers. Give the drivers a pass.
As a commercial driver, your driving record is your livelihood.
NEVER RISK A TICKET TO MAKE ANYBODY HAPPY!!!
If you're not making enough money, find a better paying job.
You knew they falsify logs don't take the job, because you will get caught and its your licenses at risk
This driver should not be worried about points lol, if some stupid four wheeler kills himself on your truck you’re going to jail buddy! Extra money is not worth it!
I'd run without logs everyday if I could... ELD OUTLAW all day!!!
Good man 👍
@@User37717 Thank you I'm serious.. I don't respect ELD, I think it's unjust, I believe it contributes to driver stress and accidents on the highway..
Safety always comes first, but not for those companies. They don't about if you sleepy and tired.
You always have to evaluate risk to reward when making life decisions. If you knew before hand there is no excuse. So when you get caught and lose your license or ability to get jobs, that's all on you. There is multiple things people can do to make ends meet, just simply budgeting my money, sacrificing the things I want over the needs of my family has made a huge difference for me. Being greedy wanting all you can get right now always ends in failure.
Not all of us have family support or someone to give us game. You aren't in the situation so you have no clue what it's like to be backed against the wall with no help. 🙄
I drove when paper logs were the only logs available. I don't know how it is now, but back in the day, I know a lot of drivers kept two or three different logbooks. It was unsafe and dangerous then. It is now as well. Tired driving kills people. Please folk, take your rest and for all of humanity, please don't drink and drive.
You said it right, we are not paid enough. This is why people go to great lengths to do the right thing but end up doing it the wrong way.
I have videos of companies changing my logs an adding ghost drivers in my truck as well. The best thing you can is stay away from companies that promises you all the miles you can handle such as 1000 deliver the next day. Always remember that you are expendable and they will just keep hiring new drivers who are not intelligent enough to realize that protecting their license is far more important than making a few hundred dollars more.
I don't feel sorry for this guy at all....he is living a lie and will get busted sooner or later.
If you get into this situation knowingly, both parties have to have a understanding. None of it should be forced, because let’s get real “falsifying” logs is old news. It’s legal till you get caught
This is a msg to all CLD drivers. Don’t put your license in jeopardy. There’s plenty of legitimate companies out there. If you are being told you have to do something you aren’t. If something bad happens it’s on you and could land you in prison. Good luck to you. Maybe time out of the industry might be your only option at this point. Points will fall off and maybe some companies may give you a second chance at some point.
We all make mistakes, some are severe and some are not but what you need to do is find a legit company to work for and seeing you’re single drive as hard as you can, but within the laws, save every cent, you can, and then look at going in the business for yourself And that means buying a truck and trailer and getting your own authority. If you just buy a truck and go in and lease to a company you’re still under their control it’ll take a couple years but you’ll get there.
Thx a lot 🐭. It's hard enough out here now they gonna make a new law about tht😮💨🤦🏾♂️
Be safe, Be Smart you are in control don’t let companies destroy your license.
I said what I had to say in yesterday's post, but I will say this driver is going to get exactly what he deserves and hopefully God willing nobody else is involved when it does happen and it will! I have been trucking for over 35 years and have always been able to provide for my family and then some doing it legally! I realized a long time ago that I'm no good to anybody if I'm in jail or dead!
Wow that is harsh 😢
True though. As captain of the ship, he has all the responsibility for everything that happens. When something bad happens it will all fall on him. Because he made the choice. Report them and get out now! Don't take that chance. 42 year driver here, just my 2 cents
I really think he needs to get a attorney asap who is specialized in this type of driving for truck drivers. The issue is that once people tell you to lie they may ask you to do other things illegally.
Attorneys aren't easy to get in contact with. They have these stupid in-between people who take your information and then send it to whichever lawyers will take the case. Waiting 2 weeks to reach a specific lawyer and hoping he knows the trucking laws. And you have to be able to afford him. I am going through this right now.
The fmcsa should send in undercover to gather evidence of these illegal companies to shut them down
Driver, your license is more important! Any company run operations under 5 different names, and forcing you to cut corners.. i would get out!
This happens a lot with companies that force the driver to drive with the wrong book and they do it themselves, but they forget that scales cross and when they stop the driver and they check the book, the officer can realize that the book is there. evil
If trucking companies would pay their drivers a decent living wage they would not have to falsify their logs but these companies turn the trucks down to 62 miles per hour the federal government only let you drive 11 hours in A-day... This is not the land of the free !
Any driver that does something illegal is just as guilty as that company.protect your CDL first and tell that company to go to hell wearing gasoline underwear.
Buddy Worked for major garbage pickup they always raised hell with him for keeping log book legitimate
back in the day
i use to never run a logbook.
it was cheaper to get caught without one than get caught with one than one falsified orhave multiple logbooks
Drivers responsible even if they are recording them doing it.
This is true.
Do points expire over time? Aren't there certain jobs which don't have logs, or have a set schedule? If I found it too stressful, I would pull my horns in, and get a smaller, safer position. Maybe it would only be a certain time, to let points expire. Maybe Bud Light is hard up for drivers.
The violations he received are called safety violations and those points double or triple depending on the violation. Safety violations take two years to completely fall of. It's so much every month if I'm not mistaken, and that's if you don't get caught again.
Not all companies are like this.
No really!? 😒
Never let someone treat you that way, quit and find a real company
Things can always get worse for you if you keep running illegally. If I were you I would only drive legit from now on and try to find another company. It is my understanding that your CSA points decrease every year until year 3 when they zero out again. If you can't find another company to hire you because of high CSA score, maybe find a local non CDL job until your points decrease.
I'm just parted ways with a company like this & that company wasn't upfront about it...I did get pulled in equipment that got points on a stop by dot maybe I got out of there before things get like this video
I'm no expert, just a driver. The biggest problem with trucking is that there are different systems of which drivers can get paid. People cite weekly pay that is not conducive for drivers who are company and drive 8-10 hours a day governed at 60-65 mph. 450-550 miles is more than enough for daily driving. You can get that at most mega carriers. The pay to expect 700-900 if you are taking strait cpm. $1050-1250/week if it's cpm plus performance bonuses, detention, breakdown and layover pay. That's the REAL DEAL and you will be good with dot as long as you're minding your hos and pretrips.
All this other talk of 1600, 1750, 2000, 3000 per week is bullshyt. That's owner operators, special circumstances or guys leasing with 5+ years at the same spot. Or a company guy with a few 600+ days in there.
DOT Regs are unconstitutional
*NEVER* compromise your integrity and drive for a company that operates illegaly or tries to pressure you into driving illegal.
Falsifying logs can be very costly and it’s just not worth it .
All he he’d to do is follow the law. Don’t answer their calls. Deliver the load legally and return the equipment to the terminal and quit. This is common sense. It not that difficult of a decision.
It's called a CSA Score. You screw that up and you're done for a while.
Man you been really getting deep into the serious shit lately!
The stress may not be worth the benefits etc
What is the name of that company so I can go work for them. Sender is ungrateful, Company was up front with you and you ACCEPTED it. They even coach you and you still rat 🐀. I don’t understand people like you Sir. They should fire you and let you get a reality check cause it’s tough out here for us regular folks to find a company that will feed you money as much as you are willing to do the work.
I left an oilfield company in Huntsville tx, because of all this illegal logs and everything else! All their drivers run illegal 20+ hours a day!! Not to mention owners of company still steal $ from all drivers! It seems some companies always get away with breaking law, and when caught they blame drivers!! I refuse to run illegal for anyone. It’s not worth ruining your license. Drive legally drivers!!
There are larger companies out here that will talk you into working over your hours. That way you can both make money. If you don’t the pay gets worse and the miles go down. That is their lease purchase drivers. So it’s not just the small companies, the one I’m taking about I’ll not say their name but they have three terminals, one on the east coast, one in the southern part of the Midwest and the last is in the west. Another has one terminal in the Midwest but we’re just bought out about a year and half ago.
Any trucking company that is caught falsify logbooks to keep drivers driving to automatically be terminated and banned from ever opening another trucking company
You have to approve the log changes, it doesn't automatically convert