Should You Get a Subwoofer? Why and Why Not
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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I actually go back and forth between the MDR-7506s and HD 600s throughout a session, great value-priced references each with strengths that compliment the other's weaknesses imo. Mixes translate well, no sub needed. Although I do have a Yamaha 8" sub for fun.
I have a combination, 1 set Adam T7V and 2 Adam Sub12, active filtered with a digital DSP, so I can call up a preset only for the monitors, or with monitors and subs, or subs alone, handy if you think your room has a resonance, which you can filter out with software for aligning purposes. Like Sonarworks SoundID Reference. Also, a pair of Auratones for reference, and even a pair of computer speakers. And bigger phase linear speakers, paired with a class D amp, for real linear audio. Nobody likes the sound of these, but they are uncolored. And a pair of B&W with subwoofer, to listen after work, to my mixes. So I can hear from every angle how my mix is going. Works for me.
Well gosh dang just spent a fortune a few weeks ago on bass traps. Was saving up for Focals but those IN8s sound like the bang for the buck.
I have subpack, the thing is amazing. Whatever I can feel from it, I would never be able to hear in my room . Very helpful who.loves complex bass
I've been having a bass extension to 14hz at my home for a few years. Music let alone movies just don't feel the same without it.
Since I don’t do this for a living, this is what I have come to as best when using subs with monitors. I have had two subs and the best sound I got was when the subs were time aligned with the monitors. This involved a custom designed dampened speaker stand where the monitors were above the subs and drivers where aligned both along the centerline vertically and the midrange drivers were aligned from front to back with the sub driver. There are those who may not agree, but this is my experience with this arrangement. It hasn’t been bested yet in my experience either. It required only time and effort to get the measurements correct. After that all fell into place. The new stand is capable of utilizing other subs and monitors with equally excellent results. It just takes time to do the measurements and the rest is fabrication.
Great video! Learned a ton 👍
Great questions asked here!
Great Video! Very informative and helpful as always. Thanks!
Had the the first run kali ws12 and it only lasted 3 years. I loved that thing. It'd be sweet to have a trade in program for the v2.😅
MDR-7506 are anything but flat, especially in the high end, plus they have very high THD on low end, not a good choice at all for referencing... And yes I have and use them while tracking. For referencing i use LCD-X...
Adding to that, for similar price to the MDRs you are way better with AKG K361.
For me its very important to have a set of cheap monitors with no much low bass response to see if anything it can't produce effects what it can.
With a full range system, you will not hear this happening.
Its a rumble that happens when a speaker try to reproduce a frequency it cannot reproduce.
It generally needs to be a cheaper speaker and not a NS10, it needs to be modern.
Its the NS10 of the bass world rather than the midrange.
If you use this enough, eventually you won't need it because you'll learn what you are doing and won't need it to check it.
I would keep it just to be there to explain the reason of something if someone ever sits in on a mix.
He lost me at the MDR7506’s are flat. 😂
I just ordered the Slate VSX headphones because it doesn’t make sense to get an expensive pair of monitors and a subwoofer for my totally untreated huge basement room studio, in a basement full of junk and stuff in my mom’s house.
A fair way to go!
-Justin
Will there be a powered version?
Their subs are powered, yes.
-Justin
What is three way speaker design?
A speaker that has three drivers: one for lows, one for mids, one for highs.
-Justin
This guy either doesn't know what he's talking about or he's lying.
Broadband absorbtion works very well. The reason why music in treated rooms sounds (subjectivly) lifeless to him is because he's used to listening to his songs in boomy resonant rooms and then when he hears them for what they are he's disappointed.
He also doesn't care about phase alignment in the subs and doesn't care about bass transient response which is crucial for low end translation, that tells you a lot about the monitors he's making.
I agree that broadband absorption works reasonably well to a point.
Very thick 6” broadband absorption in the corners makes sense for any room that is not purpose built to be a studio.
It is also true however, that tuned bass traps can address your problems more precisely and efficiently, and with less likelihood of over absorbing, which is also possible.
I think the problem with the over absorption is more likely to happen with very thin broadband absorbers though.
You end up over absorbing only at certain frequencies, but not low enough down to the spectrum.
I did push back on these comments in a little bit, but not too much, because Nate is my guest, and because I also believe that in an ideal build, you will have some targeted bass trapping as well.
So he is absolutely right that the ideal is to do bass trapping. But for a lot of people in the market for monitors in this price range, 6 inch broadband absorption is a great place to start.
Nate definitely knows what he’s talking about though, and if anything he is spoiled by listening to monitors in very well tuned rooms! And he may forget how inaccessible this feels to many home studio users.
As far as time alignment and bass traps, there is a window in which the time alignment is acceptable.
It is basically physically impossible to design multi driver speakers where all frequencies are perfectly time aligned at all times. DSP can help with this, but it is still imperfect.
For all practical purposes, we have all been listening to non-perfectly time aligned drivers for our entire lives.
Though the closer you can get to perfect time alignment, the better, there is a point of diminishing returns.
I hope some of that makes sense!
-Justin
@@SonicScoop I don't deisagree with that at all.
Tuned traps are important to get that last 10% that broadband can't, although limp mass membranes can be pretty broadband as well. But that is not what he said, he advocated specifically tuning traps for individual resonances instead of broadband, which makes no sense, as in an untreated room entire low end is just made out of (positive and negative phase) resonances.
I'm also aware that all speakers suffer from some group delay and small phase problems, we could even argue that speakers with some phase shift along the spectrum can be very revealing due to reduced masking effect... But claiming that such a loose crossover in the low end is not important is like saying it doesn't matter if your kick is 808 or 909.