Here are machines I recommend, please add your suggestions in a REPLY TO THIS COMMENT: Consew 206 RB-1 (or any RB model) Consew 225 or 226 Juki LU-562 or 563 (preferably 563 for the HUGE bobbin) Pfaff 1245 (or most Pfaff walking-foot models) Singer 111W155
Not strictly a walking foot machine, but any of the Pfaff IDT (integrated dual feed) machines. Very capable of dealing with thick / heavy material. They cost a lot less, and are a lot more space efficient, if space is an issue, as it often is here in the UK, as they don’t come with a table. The 1222e is a cracking machine.
I have 3 Singer 211G. Singer 211G 156, 211G GX104, 211G466. Higher numbers are compound feed ( walking foot + needle feed ). But be aware: 211G146 is not walking foot and no reverse. I think that is the machine shown in the video. Numbers ending in 1 does not have reverse but 5 Stitch/inch and not 6 as the others. These are very sturdy, powerful and good machines. You can get many parts for them, even on Aliexpress. The higher numbers (and the GX104) have large hooks and bobbins. If it have a button on the top of the arm it is for easier adjustment of foot lift heigth. Nice if you occationally do very thick fabric or 8-10 layers of denim, like buffing wheels. User manual and service manual is available on the net. 2 of mine have Efka needle positioners, absolutely recommended. They are not servos, but older electric clutch motors. They can be recognized by the thing attached to the handwheel with a lead going down to the Steuerkasten. I also have a clone Sewmac SW335H. That is one of many chinese Pfaff 335 clones. Very chinese! But if you can have only one industrial machine a 335 type machine (freearm) may be for you. Build a table to make it do flat bed work when that is convenient. If you can get a good working Pfaff 335 for the same price take it even if it looks tatty and worn. I would. This machine have a servo motor with needle positioner. But it scares the bejeezus out of me! It likes to sometimes go from running to full stop in like 1ms with a loud bang! And does not really stop the needle very precisely. So to avoid jumping stitches in 90 degree corners I have to adjust by handwheel. Go for good old Efka!
Nakajima 180 L. Paid $50 in January 2023. Partial disassembly to clean, added LOTS of oil to every moving part, and a thorough cleaning, sews good. Still needs a little adjustment on the walking foot, will finish that on the next project. Only regret is it’s not the triple feed mechanism, needle bar foot is stationary, but $50, it’s good enough!!
I was an Automotive Trimmer in the 1970s. Now my wife owns 5 industrial machines because 30 plus years ago I replace her desktop singer with an Industrial PFAFF 118 "Dress Maker" which she loves to this day. On that PFAFF I reupholstered a 1988 Suburban with a simple welting foot, not ideal but it worked. My "wife" not me, she now owns: 1) TechSew TK-340 walking foot (not compound) only dog foot and presser foot feed but a walking foot. Performs well and has a deep throat. Can sew anything you can get under the foot and keep it stable. (Inexpensive). Good for upholstery projects. 2) Singer 211/G151) only needle feed. With a roller foot, it can sew Tex 350 in the tightest spot with the leather at 1/2". It can sew upholstery that has a welt just as well as using a welting foot on a compound feed if you watch the seam. It can sew leather without leaving a mark. It took 10 years to find this machine but I love it. (Hard to find) 3) PFAFF118 all the basics, streight, zig-zag, reverse. It can punch through 3/8" leather without a problem. But it can sew a dress better than any sewing machine can. (A great all-around machine,) 4) Juki MO 2500 Serger. She loves it, I myself thread, time and fix it. 5) Singer 211 "Tripple Feed" The dog foot and the presser foot engage then the needle feed engages alternately to pull the material through. This is excellent in many applications but is very aggressive in the foot-to-fabric. (Only heavy work, upholstery, and leather) What I am saying is that industrial machines are built for very specific applications. 1) For upholstery many compound feed "triple feed" or "foot dog feed". 2) For Leather products with precision and no marking, try needle feed. 3) If you sew a wide range of things a general-purpose machine might be correct for you.
Jason, while everyone thinks they need an industrial machine to sew jeans and leather (that's where I started thinking too) or finish off that set of boat seat cushions or living room drapes ... communicate that Rolls Royce commissioned Singer in the 1950s to make them the rotary bobbin 201 models to sew all their leather upholstery seat covers, headliners, and so on. The Singer 15-91 models have the same motor and needle mechanism but use Singer's standard 15 series oscillating bobbin. Stitch quality was paramount to RR and those machines achieved it. An important tool is having a "seam jumper" so the presser foot can be flat on folded transitions like jeans hems.
Hi Jason, Thanks for the great explanation on Industrial machines capabilities. I think most people don't realize that all these machines come with a clutch motor and they are extreme wild horses to tame (unless changing to a servo). A point I would like to make is that you only mention straight stitch machines. A few of us looking for something good to saw are sailors and we need a zigzag machine. I understand this are harder to find and more expensive. Since repairing sails definitely require zigzag and walking foot. Would you please consider making a suggestion list/vid for those? On the domestic side of things and for us fixing things in boats (including sails) a good option for me has been the PFAFF IDT series, sort of walking foot, from the 70s. They are great (1197, 1209, 1211, 1212, 1221, 1222, ...). All metal, although with nylon cams. Maybe a suggestion for future reviews/videos...)😀 And YES, a few of us sail with cats, they don't help much, but they keep the moral on the crew up. I thought you might like to know. 😜 Thanks so much for all the knowledge, the entertainment and the cat therapy we've got during all this years. All the best from Scandinavia, Carlos (&Charlie😺)
I just got a consew 206rb-4 for 475.00. Switched out the clutch motor for a servo and working on making adjustments. It is working though and I really like it.
Finally picking up a Juki LU-563 this weekend. Someone getting out of the hobby/trade - over 50 bobbins, 100 needles, thread, etc. I'm close to Montreal which has a fairly active garment industry. Pfaff 545's are the ordre-du-jour around here. But as for brands you haven't mentioned, Durkopp Adler machines show up frequently. I foolishly passed up a deal on a Mitsubishi DU-105 (Consew 255 / Singer 211) because I didn't know what it was at the time. Techsew is local, but what swung me on the Juki was listening to it via RUclips videos - like an old clock. I don't know enough to offer recommendations, though.
Thank you for all the information, I have a 1925 Singer 111W113, it was a mess when my friend gave it to me, will be doing the last step of changing out the clutch motor for a servo one. I would say regardless of the age, if properly maintained and keep adjusted, any industrial machine will work quite well.
Back in the day my job was to maintain industrial sewing machines, the blind stitch machine is used for invisible stitching particularly in hems. For thicker materials we also used needle feed machines, which is where the needle moves with the feed
I own a Brother DB2-B791-415. It is a needle-feed machine that came from bag making shop. It has sewed everything I threw at it very well. I never thought about replacing it for a walking foot. IMO it is a great option for bag making.
Hi Vincent! Thanks for sharing your experience, I've had a few questions about needle-feed machines, but I've never actually used one so I don't know how they compare to a compound-feed walking foot. One of these days I'll have to get some seat time with one!
Thank you so very much for making this video extremely helpful...... I'm trying to get into a bit of leather work and watching too clear on how to identify the machine...... Is fantastic video
Excellent video. I got the Juki 1541S and so far I'm good with it. I almost got the latest verson of Consew 206. During the pandemic they were about the same price. I think I would have been happy with either. Sometimes I wonder if I should have gotten the Juki 1181. I see some bag makers using it.
This is just brilliant, Jason. It’s so helpful! Thank you very much for making this! Al though I’m now a little reluctant to look at ads; last time I did that after watching one of your Singer videos I’d bought 3 201s before I knew it! This is another of your videos that’s being bookmarked and going into my sewing folder. Thank you very much!
The term walking foot appears to cover two different feed mechanisms; one where the feet feed the material and the other being “needle feed”. I have both (Sailrite and Juki 1541) and find needle feed to be far better for feeding heavy fabric, especially multiple layers. I would suggest a video demonstrating the differences and which feed mechanism each machine offers.
Thanks Rick, I've been responding to several comments on this topic, so a video seems a good idea! Question: I have a lot of time on Sailrite Ultrafeeds (and Thompson Mini Walkers) as well as many compound feed industrials; can you give an example of when you find compound feed advantageous over the walking foot/drop feed of the portable machines? I personally have never detected a difference, but that might say more about me than it does the machines lol! Thanks!
@@thejasonofalltrades My sewing is primarily on upholstery projects using heavier acrylic fabric (e.g., 13oz. Sunbrella). The acrylic fabric has a smooth finish which could be considered slippery. I did my first project with the Sailrite Ultrafeed and struggled to keep multiple layers of fabric aligned. The best example is sewing around a cushion with piping. There are four layers of fabric; one each for the top and side panels and two for the piping. And, one side has the piping cord sticking up, so that foot is not as effective. As the feet try to move the fabric, the layers tend to slip out of alignment. Even with everything pinned or clipped, I struggled to keep the layers aligned and the stitch nice and tight against the piping. With the needle feed machine, the needle penetrates all four layers and moves them together, no slippage allowed. The feet then just have to hold the fabric in place while the needle moves back. The difference is definitely noticeable. The Sailrite still gets a lot of use, particularly for sails with zig-zag stitches since the needle feed only does straight stitch. And, being portable is a big advantage.
I want to add, needle feed is also called compound feed where there are 3 feed mechanisms. The needle, feed dogs, and walking foot. Where as dual feed is just walking foot and feed dogs. Consew 226 is also a compound feed system. These machines are also nice for softer leather because they can utilize a smooth walking and presser foot as to not mark the leather and still get the job done.
Yes, you can get a double needle walking foot. A Consew 339 is but one example. I have one in my collection. The machine near the end is a Pfaff. You can tell a Pfaff by the up lift reverse with a round handle.
Blind Stitch: For sewing primarily bottom hem in dresses, suit pants, etc. The name kinda says it. It will hem the bottom of suit pants, etc, without showing a stitch on the exterior of the garment. My son has a lot of knowledge of these machines. I think he even has a video showing how to thread one. Shout out to Phoenix Custom Tailors, in Phoenix, AZ. 😁
I bought a 'leather wheel foot' to put on my 1940s black iron Singer 66 as an interim step between standard and walking foot machines. It seems to work although I have not used it extensively yet. It's the slanted-vertical wheel, not the horizontal mini hot-dog roller presser foot I have also seen advertised. It was under $15. Took some adjusting of the presser foot rod position (so I dedicated that machine to it ... since I have 'more than one' machine around here, lol). They make three wheel sizes and I think mine is the largest, about the size of a US Quarter, some sellers offer all three wheel feet in one package. Could be a worthwhile review for your channel that gives people more reasons to save the old machines.
Next video you could explain the difference between a dual feed and a unison feed walking foot machine. Great video. I myself would only won’t a unison feed walking foot machine.
Hi Jason. I'm new to your channel. I'm a boater who does 8 or 10 hours of sewing per year - mostly Sunbrella projects and repairs. I have had a Barracuda for about 10 years and am considering replacing it with a friend's 1990 LSZ. That's how I found you. I have a couple comments. You have an excellent channel. You do a great job of speaking (very clear, good English/vocabulary), taking and editing your videos, good humor. ALL REALLY good. However, I do feel you go a little overboard apologizing or defending your views and opinions. I think you should just ignore comments that are poorly founded etc. Of course, I'm now a subscriber and look forward to more of your videos - I've just finished watching more than I have time for. Anyway, Thank You and keep up the great work.
Hi! I appreciate the feedback. It's kind of in my nature to bend over backwards a little, and some of what gets interpreted as "apologizing" is more preemptive strikes against the comments I know will be coming. But your point is well taken, thanks! Let us know if you get that LSZ, and if you do, I would suggest you consider adding a WorkerB to it! Thanks for being part of the channel!
In the industrial sewing machine service trade it is referenced as a compound needle feed unit. And as to a consew 206RB , make certain that it is a Seiko made unit ! And not a communist Chinese made consew 206RB which is comparatively of poor quality . Also a Juki DNU 1541-S is a high quality compound needle feed unit. Only 43 years as a service tech speaking here !!
It’s probably worth mentioning or exploring the idea that no one machine will do it all. If you have the room and budget and the volume sewed to justify it, a walking foot machine and a non walking foot machine have a place in your shop I have 4. A work horse walking foot (1541s), a walking foot cylinder bed (1351s), a straight stitch light weight machine (DB2-B737-413) and a programable barrack/pattern machine Ideally I’d like a third walking foot setup solely for edge binding but the right deal hasn’t presented itself
I have long promoted the idea of a two-machine minimum; walking foot of some kind, and a vintage domestic machine are my choices. But why stop at 2 when you can have 30? 😂
Very good point. However, once you have two, you might as well have 9 or 10. That's the slippery slope that I started traveling. I honestly think the best machine for a jack of all trades machine, is a double needle post bed machine. They can be used as a single needle, can sew almost any type of garment, shoes, or textile, and are workhorse machines.
I own a 1541s Juki clone (walking foot and needle feed) and it’s a monster. I also own a 1341 juki clone (walking foot and needle feed) cylinder bed. It also has a needle positioner that I LOVE I don’t use the cylinder bed as much as I thought I would but it’s a problem solver when I do use it.
I really enjoyed your video and it taught me some useful information. I have a Kobe walking-foot machine and a Juki drop feed for smaller, thinner projects...I don't have a lot of practice using my walking foot but I am always awed by it's strength. I do have questions that I can't really get answers to and just basic stuff about the feet. I know that both inner and outer toes have controls on the top of the machine and I don't really know how to adjust them. I figure it is for the amount of pressure exerted on the fabric and if I turn one knob I turn the other with equal "turns"....but I'd really love to know how the whole thing works concerning the feet. Without knowingf all this the machine becomes intimidating. I paid too much (I'm in Canada) and it was new. I was doing alot of work with pile type fabrics and needed that extra feed top and bottom so they don't shift. If you know of any video or pamphlet or any information that would help me further understand the machine...I would really, really appreciate. Also what strength of thread should I be using. I have thread that is T70 and T90..well the latter I just ordered so don't know how that will be. Thank you so much for explaining the walking foot machine and all the samples that explain and point to a walking-foot machine. MC
Hi! I think Kobe machines are Juki clones. From the ones I see online, it looks like the model numbers are very close to Juki models. More than likely you can find the corresponding Juki manual online and it will probably provide the info you need. I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
Excellentt video! -- QUESTION -- I really like the look and quality of your Consew 206RB-1. Do you know if this came with a Zig Zag stitch? We are going to want to patch sails and would love to get hold of a good condition 206RB with a zig zag.. If not, what classic Consew would have that feature?
Hi! The Consew 146rb is a highly-regarded zig-zag walking-foot industrial machine. Older used ones tend to trade at pretty high prices relative to straight-stitch-only machines, unless you get lucky and find one for sale by someone who doesn't know what it is. They are still produced but quite expensive new. I don't know if other brands make a similar model (or if the Consew is a copy of another brand's machine), but it wouldn't surprise me. The easiest and most economical way to get zig-zag and a walking-foot is a Sailrite LSZ-1, or, if you must, one of the many generic versions of the same design. I strongly recommend the Sailrite, particularly if buying new; the WorkerB motor is incredible. I hope that helps!
@@thejasonofalltrades ....excellent! Looking at the Consew to see what is available. Just while I have your ear, which Juki would be most comprable to the Consew 206RB and which would have a zigzag stitch? Nice machines I must say..
"Not for general use" is kind of the definition for industrial machines, the're all made for a specific purposes... Perhaps a machine with regular four motion feed dogs combined with dual walking foot is the closest to a "universal" machine for heavy materials, but getting an industrial machine usually leads to cravings for another one... How about a needle feed, or compound feed machine for those slippery nylons? And of course a patcher, and a post bed machine to get into tight spaces... And so on!
Am I a fool for buying a JUKI walking foot? I am the fool who bought the Union Special. It's fun! Been scuba diving lately? Is Florida converting to an insane state to be in? Inquiring minds want to know.😸
No, you're not a fool! :) No diving recently, but heading for the Keys in a couple of weeks! Florida is NOT converting to an insane state, it was born that way and remains so to this day 😂
Do you see much benefit from a compound feed / triple feed vs a walking foot only machine? To be clear, i believe walking foot has walking feet, plural, and with a compound feed the needle arm walks in time with the action of the feet. I don't think that's actually as clear as id intended but hopefully enough to get my question across? Many thanks for this video, machines are very expensive around here compared to the prices you've spoken about, so when i change machines i want to be clued up as well as possible. Thanks again. Much appreciated
Hi! I didn't get into this detail in the video and probably should have. As I understand it, there are: drop feed ("non-walking-foot" in my terms) - feed dogs underneath feed the fabric walking foot with drop feed - alternating presser feet work in conjunction with feed dogs to feed fabric needle feed - needle bar moves back and forth in coordination with feed dogs to feed fabric compound feed aka triple feed - feed dogs, needle bar and alternating presser feet all work together (There are other feed systems but they are more specialized/unusual) I have zero experience with needle feed machines, but I suspect they perform in between drop feed and walking-foot machines. The Sailrite Ultrafeed machines are walking-foot/drop feed. My industrial machines are all compound feed. I've used several other walking-foot industrials, to the best of my recollection they were all compound feed. Between the Sailrite Ultrafeed and the compound feed machines, in terms of material feeding, I have never noticed any difference in performance for the items/materials I sew. If there is a point at which one becomes advantageous over the other, I have not found (or noticed) it. I would presume that that would apply to a walking-foot/drop-feed industrial as well. I believe the overwhelming majority of walking-foot industrial machines on the market (especially used) are going to be compound-feed. I suspect that's just because they work well, and there's no real disadvantage to them compared to a walking-foot/drop-feed. That said, if I found a good deal on a walking-foot/drop-feed machine, as long as it worked well in testing, I would feel comfortable buying it for my uses. I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades legend. Cheers fella. Much appreciated. Always learn something from pretty much every video i watch. Thanks again! I appreciate your responses
Good videos. I have a Consew 206RB-4. The walking feet/presser foot aren’t aligned with the feed dogs, giving every stitch length a slight zig zag. Any idea where to adjust this on the machine? Thanks
Hi! I have used both extensively. When you need the clearance, they are indispensable. For regular use, they can by quite challenging. It's possible to fabricate a removable "table" to have in place to use one like a flatbed, but I suspect that this is still a compromise and won't be as user-friendly as a flatbed machine. I would say that if one REALLY needed a post or cylinder, and absolutely can't have two machines, it could be made to work, but most users would probably be better off with a flatbed. This will, of course, vary from individual to individual. I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
I use my post bed about 90% more than any of my other machines. I see shoes, leather bags, belts, canvas, waxed canvas, and I even use it for quilting. I would argue that it is the best machine to buy.
Thank you for a good video, a friend has 2 sewing machines for sale , the 1 st is w553914 , 11w101 and the 2 nd is w1370404 , 111w155 can you give me any information on these machines? They came out of the Avanti automotive plant in the 80’s thank you for your help .
Hi Gene, the 111w155 is a ubiquitous walking-foot industrial machine, most don't have reverse but they are a pretty great machine nonetheless. I'm not familiar with the details, but the 111w101 is an earlier version of the same machine, and I believe should function more-or-less the same. I tend to see industrial walking-foot machines without reverse priced quite a bit lower than those with reverse, and I would definitely consider that when purchasing a machine for myself. I have a Consew 225, which is a direct copy of the 111w155, and it's a great machine, but not having reverse is an inconvenience, and I wouldn't pay as much for a machine without reverse as I would for one with reverse, myself. (By the way, the longer string of numbers you provided for each machine is the serial number. A site called ISMACS has a section where you can date a machine by the serial number, I can't remember if industrials are in their database but it might be worth a look.) I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
Hey, I have a 226R1 and I'm starting to tinker with making my own backpacks for myself and my family! Appreciate all your tutorial videos! I was wondering what the mesh is called on your thread cones or where you pick that up? Thanks!
Hi! The mesh is known as "thread sock," I buy it from The Thread Exchange. Good luck with your backpack projects, sounds like you've got a good machine to work with. Let us know how it goes!
I'm curious what this did. It suggested a sum in USD. But above here it indicate that amount in NOK, (about 1/10 of a USD). It may get you a coke but not much more. And VAT was added. What a feature! I'll rather ask for email to send by Paypal next time around. I guess RUclips take a cut too, and your Coke will be a faint dream. 🤣😂😞
Second verse. Can you trick a heavy- no reverse machine like you can with a Singer 66? I happened on a YT where the person lifted the presser foot lever, just a tiny bit and pull the fabric. I'm currently playing with my 66 and am waiting for the crash or not. See Ya.
Hi Paul, I am not very familiar with these machines, and have never used one, but I won't let that stop me from rendering my opinion lol. From what I've read, the "hopping foot" machines fall somewhere between drop feed and walking-foot machines in terms of capability. I know quilters use a "jumping foot" for doing the actual quilting task of making a quilt, which allows the machine to move in multiple directions; I don't know if that is an aspect of the machines you mention, or if the "hopping foot" is simply another way to try to feed over thick seam transitions. My hunch is that a machine like that might be interesting, and might have some applications where it could be useful, but that it will not be a suitable replacement for a walking-foot machine. There's a reason walking-foot machines are so ubiquitous! I hope that helps, thanks for watching and commenting!
@thejasonofalltrades I've only just seen that the 132k6, a couple wanting to sell near me for AU$2000 ... are the same kick feed as my 331K5 ($100 before freeing it up and timing it). Maybe the lift is higher ... I'd like to see it in person. Also the 45k49.
Does anyone know anything about the wheel driven machines, there's a pffaf 441-0 for sale and it has a coarse cog instead of a set of oscillating teeth in the bed and a finer wheel around 50mm diameter and maybe 5-8mm wide instead of a presser foot
Hi! First, I'm sorry for taking so long to reply! I've been extremely busy off the channel for a bit, sorry! So, short answer is yes. Sailrite has some videos on this topic you might want to check out. My longer answer is yes, but .... You can for sure sew thinner materials with a walking-foot machine. Use a needle and thread appropriate to the fabric, adjust tension as needed to get a balanced stitch, perhaps reduce presser foot pressure. Regardless of thickness/heaviness of the fabric, walking-foot machines may have a tendency to put pressure marks in the fabric (which is why there are smooth feet for leather sewing), and I suppose if the fabric is VERY thin and/or fragile, it could be damaged by the action of the walking-foot mechanism. Any sewing machine has a range of thread sizes it will be able to run and maintain a balanced stitch with, and it's possible some walking-foot machines just won't be able to run a very thin thread, but most of the typical "medium duty" machines, as well as the portables, should sew reasonably thin fabrics. The "but ...." part is this - I think sewing thin materials with a walking-foot machine is akin to setting finish nails with a framing hammer. Sure, you can do it, but if you're doing finish carpentry, you should just invest in the proper hammer for the job you're doing. I am a strong advocate for a two-machine minimum when it comes to sewing; a vintage domestic (or other domestic machine) for sewing lighter materials, and a walking-foot machine (portable or industrial) for the heavier stuff. Ideally, these two machines have some overlap in their capabilities. For many people, this discussion is more about "do I spend the big bucks to step up to a walking-foot machine?" In the case of your question, it's a bit of an easier dilemma to solve, as vintage domestic machines can be had very inexpensively, and even a new domestic machine of reasonable capability can be had for a couple of hundred dollars. (I'm in the process of a long-term review of the Singer HD series of machines if you're curious about those.) So, I'd say if you have a walking-foot machine that you love, and you RARELY need to sew something on the thinner side, you should be able to make it work. If you need to sew very thin materials and/or sew thinner stuff more often, I would strongly suggest shopping for some kind of non-walking-foot domestic machine to do that work. I hope that helps, thanks for the question and thanks for watching!
Hi Jason, thanks for more great info! I have been wondering about all the different off brand versions of the Sailrite machines out there. Family Sew, Consew, Rex, seems like endless brands that all look like the Ultrafeed LS. They are relatively inexpensive and state they are compatible with Sailrite parts. Are these any good in your opinion?
Almost (and I say almost loosely) all of the machines you find on the market are clones of clones of clones. That is to say most can be traced back to a single singer or early brand sewing machine. Lots of parts across brands are interchangeable. I haven't found a machine yet that doesn't have at least one other clone of it out on the market. Depending on your use case, I think any of those would be fine. One other thing that a lot of these videos about walking foot machines fail to mention, is that portable walking foot machines are great, inexpensive alternatives to a full sized machine for the average user.
Hi Joe, You might want to check out this video for my thoughts on the "clones" of the Sailrite Ultrafeed. ruclips.net/video/zOP1RdElCUE/видео.html For clarity, my understanding of the genesis of the Ultrafeed vs other portable walking-foot machines that look identical has evolved over the years as I've learned a bit more about the situation. (If you go WAY back in my channel, I say some things that are inaccurate in the details.) My current understanding, though, is still that Sailrite's machines are unique among the portable walking-foot machines, having some internal casting differences among other changes. The difference in quality between the Ultrafeeds and the other machines I have seen is remarkable, plus Sailrite have innovated many improvements and provide excellent information and support to the community. Everything else on the market appears to be a generic machine that has a different name on it (I'm interested in being corrected on this if I am wrong). My personal opinion is if you're buying new, and unless you absolutely can't afford it, buy a Sailrite. If you happen upon a used generic machine, or if the cost is truly a barrier, a generic machine will likely function the same, but anecdotally I've heard many stories of machines either working well initially then failing/needing repair or adjustment, or machines that didn't work out of the box and needed repair/adjustment to even start sewing. I've also heard from many people who have been happy with their generic machines. To some extent, your budget and your ethics have to be your guide. I've been extremely satisfied with both of my Ultrafeeds, though. I hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
Hi Jesse, I just wanted to state for clarity that I agree that portable walking-foot machines are a great option, I've talked about mine ad nauseam and purposely didn't include them as a category in this particular video, although I probably should have explained that better. Thanks for adding to the conversation, and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades Thank you Jason. I don’t know how I missed that video. It answered all my questions. Although it is not the same, I think I will see how my Kenmore 158.95 works for me for now until I have the capital(or real need) to invest in a Sailrite. I am just a hobbyist Seamster at the moment. I agree totally on Sailrite as a Company as well. I have had nothing but good experiences with them.
Hi! I found this helpful - www.consew.com/files/112347/InstructionManuals/205RB-1.pdf According to the tech specs, the machine can use up to a size 24 needle, which is the minimum size recommended for T270 thread (according to The Thread Exchange and Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines websites). Having not tried thread that thick (on any machine), I can't speak from personal experience, but it seems like the 206 should be able to do it (likely depending on the fabric being sewn as well). My personal suggestion would be to buy as small quantity of thread as you can and try it out before committing too much to it. If by "stitch pitch" you mean stitch length, the max is 8mm (see the tech specs in the manual I linked to). I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
Hi! A walking-foot machine has a completely different foot from a standard machine, they are not cross-compatible. You can, however, sew a pretty wide variety of fabrics with a walking-foot machine. I find that my vintage domestic non-walking-foot machines are much better for thin materials, but other than that I can sew most things on my walking-foot machines. I'm a firm believer in having both walking-foot and non-walking-foot machines to cover the materials that I most often sew. I hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
Hi John, With apologies for the long answer .... I have actually never used a needle feed machine; in fact, I don't think I've ever even seen one. I probably should have talked about this in the video (I forget that most viewers haven't seen every single video I've ever made and keep all of that back info for context lol). In my experience, when looking for used industrial sewing machines, I almost exclusively see drop feed ("non-walking-foot") and compound-feed walking-foot (aka "triple-feed") machines. The majority of industrial walking-foot machines I've seen and used are compound feed; the Sailrite Ultrafeed machines are "double feed', so feed dogs and walking foot, and I can't tell any performance difference between that and compound feed. Whenever I talk about my preference for walking-foot machines, commenters invariably bring up roller feet, needle-feed, etc. Having no experience with those machines, I can only say that if you already have one, and it works for you, then keep going! But if you are searching for the right sewing machine to do the kinds of things I do on this channel, I can tell you for sure a walking-foot machine will work great. Other feed types that I'm not familiar with might also work great, but a walking-foot machine definitely will. I'll add that if you search around RUclips (or Instagram or whatever) for videos of bagmakers, from solo cottage operators to large factories, you will see a lot of walking-foot machines in use. In a factory assembly line, drop feed (and possibly needle feed, I can't say for sure) machines will be used for some subassembly of panels, etc., but bag assembly seems to always be on walking-foot machines. (I'm sure if someone looks hard enough there are counter examples out there, but they'll be the exception.) Sorry to belabor the point, but this is straight from Consew's website regarding the 351R needle-feed machine: "For stitching light to medium weight fabric, knits, synthetics, vinyl, canvas, denim and coated and laminated material Suitable for attaching pockets to shirts, sewing collars and cuffs, stitching skirts, blouses, dresses, raincoats, general wearing apparel" So to sum up, if you have a needle feed machine already, you can probably make it work for you - there are folks making great bags out there with household drop-feed machines. But if you're searching for a machine to make bags, I'd definitely recommend a walking-foot machine of some kind. I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
I started sewing hunting saddles about a year ago using several layers of nylon/polyester straps, cordura and mil spec mesh materials. At the time, i used a newly restored Singer model 111W-100, a drop and needle feed machine. I was able to complete several saddles with some difficulties especially when sewing between sections and different thickness transition layers. Not long afterwards, i was able to acquire a triple feed Consew 255B (without a reverse) which made sewing so much easier. The walking foot action definitely made a big difference in sewing through thick materials and especially through seams and varying thickness!
I don't use them very often, but yes, many different sizes are available for the Consew 206. My upholsterer friend uses a 206 and has bunch of welt feet.
Hi! It is often difficult to find detailed info on older machines, particularly industrials. I can tell you that the 230 is a non-walking-foot industrial machine, which most likely is intended to sew light-to-medium materials at high speeds. Unfortunately, learning about particular machines requires a fair amount of googling, and often figuring out what other machines are the same/similar enough to glean additional info about the one in question. Good luck in your search, and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades thank you sir for the insight. I appreciate your time. It really is a bit of overload in the very beginning which is where I'm at. The different models in a series of even a handful of names. I'm in the research phase now about to make a purchase this week for my first time. Wish me luck good sir
I"ve been sewing on a Mitsubishi walking foot machine where I work and others there use Juki, but I don't have any break downs as the Juki does. We do use Juki Double needle machines and especially for double needle topstitching. Also I love my new t-shirt I get alot of comments Thanks!!!!!
I have a peculiar mindset about fishing. I REALLY want to catch fish ( and in the right environment I will harvest some for food in the most humane way possible), but as soon as I catch one, I go into "rescue mode" and want to save the fish lol. I was pretty stressed about getting that one out of the rocks, because he definitely could have become unreachable, but my perfect record remains! 😁
Hi David, I did a video on this exact topic - ruclips.net/video/6DyD_btdEwA/видео.html Short answer is, no. The walking-foot attachment is really not exactly the same thing as a walking-foot machine. I found it helped in a few circumstances, but it definitely is not a substitute for a walking-foot machine, and really doesn't even narrow the gap in a practical sense. I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
Here are machines I recommend, please add your suggestions in a REPLY TO THIS COMMENT:
Consew 206 RB-1 (or any RB model)
Consew 225 or 226
Juki LU-562 or 563 (preferably 563 for the HUGE bobbin)
Pfaff 1245 (or most Pfaff walking-foot models)
Singer 111W155
I have a Pfaff 545 and can recommend it.
Not strictly a walking foot machine, but any of the Pfaff IDT (integrated dual feed) machines. Very capable of dealing with thick / heavy material. They cost a lot less, and are a lot more space efficient, if space is an issue, as it often is here in the UK, as they don’t come with a table. The 1222e is a cracking machine.
I got a Consew 206-rb1 and I blame you. :)
I have 3 Singer 211G. Singer 211G 156, 211G GX104, 211G466. Higher numbers are compound feed ( walking foot + needle feed ). But be aware: 211G146 is not walking foot and no reverse. I think that is the machine shown in the video. Numbers ending in 1 does not have reverse but 5 Stitch/inch and not 6 as the others.
These are very sturdy, powerful and good machines. You can get many parts for them, even on Aliexpress. The higher numbers (and the GX104) have large hooks and bobbins. If it have a button on the top of the arm it is for easier adjustment of foot lift heigth. Nice if you occationally do very thick fabric or 8-10 layers of denim, like buffing wheels. User manual and service manual is available on the net.
2 of mine have Efka needle positioners, absolutely recommended. They are not servos, but older electric clutch motors. They can be recognized by the thing attached to the handwheel with a lead going down to the Steuerkasten.
I also have a clone Sewmac SW335H. That is one of many chinese Pfaff 335 clones. Very chinese! But if you can have only one industrial machine a 335 type machine (freearm) may be for you. Build a table to make it do flat bed work when that is convenient. If you can get a good working Pfaff 335 for the same price take it even if it looks tatty and worn. I would. This machine have a servo motor with needle positioner. But it scares the bejeezus out of me! It likes to sometimes go from running to full stop in like 1ms with a loud bang! And does not really stop the needle very precisely. So to avoid jumping stitches in 90 degree corners I have to adjust by handwheel. Go for good old Efka!
Nakajima 180 L. Paid $50 in January 2023. Partial disassembly to clean, added LOTS of oil to every moving part, and a thorough cleaning, sews good. Still needs a little adjustment on the walking foot, will finish that on the next project. Only regret is it’s not the triple feed mechanism, needle bar foot is stationary, but $50, it’s good enough!!
I was an Automotive Trimmer in the 1970s. Now my wife owns 5 industrial machines because 30 plus years ago I replace her desktop singer with an Industrial PFAFF 118 "Dress Maker" which she loves to this day. On that PFAFF I reupholstered a 1988 Suburban with a simple welting foot, not ideal but it worked.
My "wife" not me, she now owns:
1) TechSew TK-340 walking foot (not compound) only dog foot and presser foot feed but a walking foot. Performs well and has a deep throat. Can sew anything you can get under the foot and keep it stable. (Inexpensive). Good for upholstery projects.
2) Singer 211/G151) only needle feed. With a roller foot, it can sew Tex 350 in the tightest spot with the leather at 1/2". It can sew upholstery that has a welt just as well as using a welting foot on a compound feed if you watch the seam. It can sew leather without leaving a mark. It took 10 years to find this machine but I love it. (Hard to find)
3) PFAFF118 all the basics, streight, zig-zag, reverse. It can punch through 3/8" leather without a problem. But it can sew a dress better than any sewing machine can. (A great all-around machine,)
4) Juki MO 2500 Serger. She loves it, I myself thread, time and fix it.
5) Singer 211 "Tripple Feed" The dog foot and the presser foot engage then the needle feed engages alternately to pull the material through. This is excellent in many applications but is very aggressive in the foot-to-fabric. (Only heavy work, upholstery, and leather)
What I am saying is that industrial machines are built for very specific applications.
1) For upholstery many compound feed "triple feed" or "foot dog feed".
2) For Leather products with precision and no marking, try needle feed.
3) If you sew a wide range of things a general-purpose machine might be correct for you.
Jason, while everyone thinks they need an industrial machine to sew jeans and leather (that's where I started thinking too) or finish off that set of boat seat cushions or living room drapes ... communicate that Rolls Royce commissioned Singer in the 1950s to make them the rotary bobbin 201 models to sew all their leather upholstery seat covers, headliners, and so on. The Singer 15-91 models have the same motor and needle mechanism but use Singer's standard 15 series oscillating bobbin. Stitch quality was paramount to RR and those machines achieved it. An important tool is having a "seam jumper" so the presser foot can be flat on folded transitions like jeans hems.
Hi Jason,
Thanks for the great explanation on Industrial machines capabilities.
I think most people don't realize that all these machines come with a clutch motor and they are extreme wild horses to tame (unless changing to a servo).
A point I would like to make is that you only mention straight stitch machines. A few of us looking for something good to saw are sailors and we need a zigzag machine. I understand this are harder to find and more expensive.
Since repairing sails definitely require zigzag and walking foot. Would you please consider making a suggestion list/vid for those?
On the domestic side of things and for us fixing things in boats (including sails) a good option for me has been the PFAFF IDT series, sort of walking foot, from the 70s. They are great (1197, 1209, 1211, 1212, 1221, 1222, ...). All metal, although with nylon cams. Maybe a suggestion for future reviews/videos...)😀
And YES, a few of us sail with cats, they don't help much, but they keep the moral on the crew up. I thought you might like to know. 😜
Thanks so much for all the knowledge, the entertainment and the cat therapy we've got during all this years.
All the best from Scandinavia, Carlos (&Charlie😺)
I just got a consew 206rb-4 for 475.00. Switched out the clutch motor for a servo and working on making adjustments. It is working though and I really like it.
Finally picking up a Juki LU-563 this weekend. Someone getting out of the hobby/trade - over 50 bobbins, 100 needles, thread, etc. I'm close to Montreal which has a fairly active garment industry. Pfaff 545's are the ordre-du-jour around here. But as for brands you haven't mentioned, Durkopp Adler machines show up frequently. I foolishly passed up a deal on a Mitsubishi DU-105 (Consew 255 / Singer 211) because I didn't know what it was at the time. Techsew is local, but what swung me on the Juki was listening to it via RUclips videos - like an old clock.
I don't know enough to offer recommendations, though.
Thank you for all the information, I have a 1925 Singer 111W113, it was a mess when my friend gave it to me, will be doing the last step of changing out the clutch motor for a servo one. I would say regardless of the age, if properly maintained and keep adjusted, any industrial machine will work quite well.
Back in the day my job was to maintain industrial sewing machines, the blind stitch machine is used for invisible stitching particularly in hems. For thicker materials we also used needle feed machines, which is where the needle moves with the feed
This helped so much, after scouring. Thank you for being concise and explicit.
Thanks! I don't think anyone has ever referred to me as "concise" lol!
I own a Brother DB2-B791-415. It is a needle-feed machine that came from bag making shop. It has sewed everything I threw at it very well. I never thought about replacing it for a walking foot. IMO it is a great option for bag making.
Hi Vincent!
Thanks for sharing your experience, I've had a few questions about needle-feed machines, but I've never actually used one so I don't know how they compare to a compound-feed walking foot. One of these days I'll have to get some seat time with one!
Thank you so very much for making this video extremely helpful...... I'm trying to get into a bit of leather work and watching too clear on how to identify the machine...... Is fantastic video
Excellent video. I got the Juki 1541S and so far I'm good with it. I almost got the latest verson of Consew 206. During the pandemic they were about the same price. I think I would have been happy with either. Sometimes I wonder if I should have gotten the Juki 1181. I see some bag makers using it.
This is just brilliant, Jason. It’s so helpful! Thank you very much for making this! Al though I’m now a little reluctant to look at ads; last time I did that after watching one of your Singer videos I’d bought 3 201s before I knew it! This is another of your videos that’s being bookmarked and going into my sewing folder. Thank you very much!
The term walking foot appears to cover two different feed mechanisms; one where the feet feed the material and the other being “needle feed”. I have both (Sailrite and Juki 1541) and find needle feed to be far better for feeding heavy fabric, especially multiple layers. I would suggest a video demonstrating the differences and which feed mechanism each machine offers.
Thanks Rick, I've been responding to several comments on this topic, so a video seems a good idea!
Question: I have a lot of time on Sailrite Ultrafeeds (and Thompson Mini Walkers) as well as many compound feed industrials; can you give an example of when you find compound feed advantageous over the walking foot/drop feed of the portable machines? I personally have never detected a difference, but that might say more about me than it does the machines lol!
Thanks!
@@thejasonofalltrades
My sewing is primarily on upholstery projects using heavier acrylic fabric (e.g., 13oz. Sunbrella). The acrylic fabric has a smooth finish which could be considered slippery. I did my first project with the Sailrite Ultrafeed and struggled to keep multiple layers of fabric aligned. The best example is sewing around a cushion with piping. There are four layers of fabric; one each for the top and side panels and two for the piping. And, one side has the piping cord sticking up, so that foot is not as effective. As the feet try to move the fabric, the layers tend to slip out of alignment. Even with everything pinned or clipped, I struggled to keep the layers aligned and the stitch nice and tight against the piping. With the needle feed machine, the needle penetrates all four layers and moves them together, no slippage allowed. The feet then just have to hold the fabric in place while the needle moves back. The difference is definitely noticeable. The Sailrite still gets a lot of use, particularly for sails with zig-zag stitches since the needle feed only does straight stitch. And, being portable is a big advantage.
@@rickmandrell25 Thanks Rick, that's really helpful perspective!
I want to add, needle feed is also called compound feed where there are 3 feed mechanisms. The needle, feed dogs, and walking foot. Where as dual feed is just walking foot and feed dogs. Consew 226 is also a compound feed system. These machines are also nice for softer leather because they can utilize a smooth walking and presser foot as to not mark the leather and still get the job done.
Yes, you can get a double needle walking foot. A Consew 339 is but one example. I have one in my collection.
The machine near the end is a Pfaff. You can tell a Pfaff by the up lift reverse with a round handle.
Blind Stitch: For sewing primarily bottom hem in dresses, suit pants, etc. The name kinda says it. It will hem the bottom of suit pants, etc, without showing a stitch on the exterior of the garment. My son has a lot of knowledge of these machines. I think he even has a video showing how to thread one. Shout out to Phoenix Custom Tailors, in Phoenix, AZ. 😁
Enjoying your channel, Jason! Thanks!
Thank you so much!
I bought a 'leather wheel foot' to put on my 1940s black iron Singer 66 as an interim step between standard and walking foot machines. It seems to work although I have not used it extensively yet. It's the slanted-vertical wheel, not the horizontal mini hot-dog roller presser foot I have also seen advertised. It was under $15. Took some adjusting of the presser foot rod position (so I dedicated that machine to it ... since I have 'more than one' machine around here, lol). They make three wheel sizes and I think mine is the largest, about the size of a US Quarter, some sellers offer all three wheel feet in one package. Could be a worthwhile review for your channel that gives people more reasons to save the old machines.
A blind hemmer is used for hemming great for hemming suit pants etc don't see stitching on the right side that's if the tension is right 😊
Next video you could explain the difference between a dual feed and a unison feed walking foot machine. Great video. I myself would only won’t a unison feed walking foot machine.
Hi Jason. I'm new to your channel. I'm a boater who does 8 or 10 hours of sewing per year - mostly Sunbrella projects and repairs. I have had a Barracuda for about 10 years and am considering replacing it with a friend's 1990 LSZ. That's how I found you. I have a couple comments. You have an excellent channel. You do a great job of speaking (very clear, good English/vocabulary), taking and editing your videos, good humor. ALL REALLY good. However, I do feel you go a little overboard apologizing or defending your views and opinions. I think you should just ignore comments that are poorly founded etc. Of course, I'm now a subscriber and look forward to more of your videos - I've just finished watching more than I have time for. Anyway, Thank You and keep up the great work.
Hi! I appreciate the feedback. It's kind of in my nature to bend over backwards a little, and some of what gets interpreted as "apologizing" is more preemptive strikes against the comments I know will be coming. But your point is well taken, thanks!
Let us know if you get that LSZ, and if you do, I would suggest you consider adding a WorkerB to it!
Thanks for being part of the channel!
In the industrial sewing machine service trade it is referenced as a compound needle feed unit. And as to a consew 206RB , make certain that it is a Seiko made unit ! And not a communist Chinese made consew 206RB which is comparatively of poor quality . Also a Juki DNU 1541-S is a high quality compound needle feed unit. Only 43 years as a service tech speaking here !!
It’s probably worth mentioning or exploring the idea that no one machine will do it all.
If you have the room and budget and the volume sewed to justify it, a walking foot machine and a non walking foot machine have a place in your shop
I have 4. A work horse walking foot (1541s), a walking foot cylinder bed (1351s), a straight stitch light weight machine (DB2-B737-413) and a programable barrack/pattern machine
Ideally I’d like a third walking foot setup solely for edge binding but the right deal hasn’t presented itself
I have long promoted the idea of a two-machine minimum; walking foot of some kind, and a vintage domestic machine are my choices. But why stop at 2 when you can have 30? 😂
Very good point. However, once you have two, you might as well have 9 or 10. That's the slippery slope that I started traveling. I honestly think the best machine for a jack of all trades machine, is a double needle post bed machine. They can be used as a single needle, can sew almost any type of garment, shoes, or textile, and are workhorse machines.
The single tension disk on front is normally a give away for non walking foot machine.
Great info ,thanks
Very useful video, thanks
Besides the really helpful content, the thing that could my eye was the wrap on the cover plate! Love that!! Is it a waterslide decal?
Hi!
I made the end cover plate from a scrap piece of Kydex (a thermoplastic used in making knife sheaths and similar items). Thanks!
I own a 1541s Juki clone (walking foot and needle feed) and it’s a monster.
I also own a 1341 juki clone (walking foot and needle feed) cylinder bed. It also has a needle positioner that I LOVE
I don’t use the cylinder bed as much as I thought I would but it’s a problem solver when I do use it.
Hopefully the brother db2-b797 i just picked up is a good unit.
I really enjoyed your video and it taught me some useful information. I have a Kobe walking-foot machine and a Juki drop feed for smaller, thinner projects...I don't have a lot of practice using my walking foot but I am always awed by it's strength. I do have questions that I can't really get answers to and just basic stuff about the feet. I know that both inner and outer toes have controls on the top of the machine and I don't really know how to adjust them. I figure it is for the amount of pressure exerted on the fabric and if I turn one knob I turn the other with equal "turns"....but I'd really love to know how the whole thing works concerning the feet. Without knowingf all this the machine becomes intimidating. I paid too much (I'm in Canada) and it was new. I was doing alot of work with pile type fabrics and needed that extra feed top and bottom so they don't shift. If you know of any video or pamphlet or any information that would help me further understand the machine...I would really, really appreciate. Also what strength of thread should I be using. I have thread that is T70 and T90..well the latter I just ordered so don't know how that will be.
Thank you so much for explaining the walking foot machine and all the samples that explain and point to a walking-foot machine. MC
Hi!
I think Kobe machines are Juki clones. From the ones I see online, it looks like the model numbers are very close to Juki models. More than likely you can find the corresponding Juki manual online and it will probably provide the info you need.
I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
So we talking about Adjustments and Control !! Like the $800.00 sailright
Thank you. Very helpful.
Excellentt video! -- QUESTION -- I really like the look and quality of your Consew 206RB-1. Do you know if this came with a Zig Zag stitch? We are going to want to patch sails and would love to get hold of a good condition 206RB with a zig zag.. If not, what classic Consew would have that feature?
Hi!
The Consew 146rb is a highly-regarded zig-zag walking-foot industrial machine. Older used ones tend to trade at pretty high prices relative to straight-stitch-only machines, unless you get lucky and find one for sale by someone who doesn't know what it is. They are still produced but quite expensive new. I don't know if other brands make a similar model (or if the Consew is a copy of another brand's machine), but it wouldn't surprise me.
The easiest and most economical way to get zig-zag and a walking-foot is a Sailrite LSZ-1, or, if you must, one of the many generic versions of the same design. I strongly recommend the Sailrite, particularly if buying new; the WorkerB motor is incredible.
I hope that helps!
@@thejasonofalltrades ....excellent! Looking at the Consew to see what is available. Just while I have your ear, which Juki would be most comprable to the Consew 206RB and which would have a zigzag stitch? Nice machines I must say..
"Not for general use" is kind of the definition for industrial machines, the're all made for a specific purposes...
Perhaps a machine with regular four motion feed dogs combined with dual walking foot is the closest to a "universal" machine for heavy materials, but getting an industrial machine usually leads to cravings for another one... How about a needle feed, or compound feed machine for those slippery nylons? And of course a patcher, and a post bed machine to get into tight spaces... And so on!
That was a great save
Blind stitch machines are for hemming pants etc. so the stitches don’t show
Am I a fool for buying a JUKI walking foot? I am the fool who bought the Union Special. It's fun! Been scuba diving lately? Is Florida converting to an insane state to be in? Inquiring minds want to know.😸
No, you're not a fool! :)
No diving recently, but heading for the Keys in a couple of weeks!
Florida is NOT converting to an insane state, it was born that way and remains so to this day 😂
Do you see much benefit from a compound feed / triple feed vs a walking foot only machine?
To be clear, i believe walking foot has walking feet, plural, and with a compound feed the needle arm walks in time with the action of the feet.
I don't think that's actually as clear as id intended but hopefully enough to get my question across?
Many thanks for this video, machines are very expensive around here compared to the prices you've spoken about, so when i change machines i want to be clued up as well as possible.
Thanks again.
Much appreciated
-there's a singer 211 being advertised for $5500aud. I politely asked if it was a typo, the woman was most upset with me, she then blocked me.
Hi!
I didn't get into this detail in the video and probably should have.
As I understand it, there are:
drop feed ("non-walking-foot" in my terms) - feed dogs underneath feed the fabric
walking foot with drop feed - alternating presser feet work in conjunction with feed dogs to feed fabric
needle feed - needle bar moves back and forth in coordination with feed dogs to feed fabric
compound feed aka triple feed - feed dogs, needle bar and alternating presser feet all work together
(There are other feed systems but they are more specialized/unusual)
I have zero experience with needle feed machines, but I suspect they perform in between drop feed and walking-foot machines.
The Sailrite Ultrafeed machines are walking-foot/drop feed. My industrial machines are all compound feed. I've used several other walking-foot industrials, to the best of my recollection they were all compound feed.
Between the Sailrite Ultrafeed and the compound feed machines, in terms of material feeding, I have never noticed any difference in performance for the items/materials I sew. If there is a point at which one becomes advantageous over the other, I have not found (or noticed) it. I would presume that that would apply to a walking-foot/drop-feed industrial as well.
I believe the overwhelming majority of walking-foot industrial machines on the market (especially used) are going to be compound-feed. I suspect that's just because they work well, and there's no real disadvantage to them compared to a walking-foot/drop-feed. That said, if I found a good deal on a walking-foot/drop-feed machine, as long as it worked well in testing, I would feel comfortable buying it for my uses.
I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades legend. Cheers fella. Much appreciated.
Always learn something from pretty much every video i watch.
Thanks again! I appreciate your responses
Good videos. I have a Consew 206RB-4. The walking feet/presser foot aren’t aligned with the feed dogs, giving every stitch length a slight zig zag. Any idea where to adjust this on the machine? Thanks
I don't know, but if you search Google for a service manual for the Consew 206 you're sure to find something. Good luck!
Thanks.@@thejasonofalltrades
What do you think about a freearm or a postbed walking foot machine. Could thouse be even more universal than an flatbed machine?
Hi!
I have used both extensively. When you need the clearance, they are indispensable. For regular use, they can by quite challenging. It's possible to fabricate a removable "table" to have in place to use one like a flatbed, but I suspect that this is still a compromise and won't be as user-friendly as a flatbed machine.
I would say that if one REALLY needed a post or cylinder, and absolutely can't have two machines, it could be made to work, but most users would probably be better off with a flatbed. This will, of course, vary from individual to individual.
I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
I use my post bed about 90% more than any of my other machines. I see shoes, leather bags, belts, canvas, waxed canvas, and I even use it for quilting. I would argue that it is the best machine to buy.
Thank you for a good video, a friend has 2 sewing machines for sale , the 1 st is w553914 , 11w101 and the 2 nd is w1370404 , 111w155 can you give me any information on these machines? They came out of the Avanti automotive plant in the 80’s thank you for your help .
Hi Gene,
the 111w155 is a ubiquitous walking-foot industrial machine, most don't have reverse but they are a pretty great machine nonetheless. I'm not familiar with the details, but the 111w101 is an earlier version of the same machine, and I believe should function more-or-less the same. I tend to see industrial walking-foot machines without reverse priced quite a bit lower than those with reverse, and I would definitely consider that when purchasing a machine for myself. I have a Consew 225, which is a direct copy of the 111w155, and it's a great machine, but not having reverse is an inconvenience, and I wouldn't pay as much for a machine without reverse as I would for one with reverse, myself.
(By the way, the longer string of numbers you provided for each machine is the serial number. A site called ISMACS has a section where you can date a machine by the serial number, I can't remember if industrials are in their database but it might be worth a look.)
I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
Hey, I have a 226R1 and I'm starting to tinker with making my own backpacks for myself and my family! Appreciate all your tutorial videos! I was wondering what the mesh is called on your thread cones or where you pick that up? Thanks!
Hi! The mesh is known as "thread sock," I buy it from The Thread Exchange.
Good luck with your backpack projects, sounds like you've got a good machine to work with. Let us know how it goes!
@@thejasonofalltrades awesome, thanks!
Thanks!
I'm curious what this did. It suggested a sum in USD. But above here it indicate that amount in NOK, (about 1/10 of a USD). It may get you a coke but not much more. And VAT was added. What a feature! I'll rather ask for email to send by Paypal next time around. I guess RUclips take a cut too, and your Coke will be a faint dream. 🤣😂😞
Hey, it's the thought that counts, and a tenth of a Coke is better for my waistline! Thank you so much, Einar!
Second verse. Can you trick a heavy- no reverse machine like you can with a Singer 66? I happened on a YT where the person lifted the presser foot lever, just a tiny bit and pull the fabric. I'm currently playing with my 66 and am waiting for the crash or not. See Ya.
I just got a 78 three and it’s a needle feed walking foot
Question. I've seen the 331K5, 331K105 described as "hopping foot" machines.
Where do they fit into this hierarchy?
Hi Paul,
I am not very familiar with these machines, and have never used one, but I won't let that stop me from rendering my opinion lol.
From what I've read, the "hopping foot" machines fall somewhere between drop feed and walking-foot machines in terms of capability. I know quilters use a "jumping foot" for doing the actual quilting task of making a quilt, which allows the machine to move in multiple directions; I don't know if that is an aspect of the machines you mention, or if the "hopping foot" is simply another way to try to feed over thick seam transitions.
My hunch is that a machine like that might be interesting, and might have some applications where it could be useful, but that it will not be a suitable replacement for a walking-foot machine. There's a reason walking-foot machines are so ubiquitous!
I hope that helps, thanks for watching and commenting!
@thejasonofalltrades I've only just seen that the 132k6, a couple wanting to sell near me for AU$2000 ... are the same kick feed as my 331K5 ($100 before freeing it up and timing it).
Maybe the lift is higher ... I'd like to see it in person.
Also the 45k49.
Does anyone know anything about the wheel driven machines, there's a pffaf 441-0 for sale and it has a coarse cog instead of a set of oscillating teeth in the bed and a finer wheel around 50mm diameter and maybe 5-8mm wide instead of a presser foot
I'm curious to hear more about this as well!
Could you sew regular lighter fabric with a walking foot sewing?
Hi!
First, I'm sorry for taking so long to reply! I've been extremely busy off the channel for a bit, sorry!
So, short answer is yes. Sailrite has some videos on this topic you might want to check out.
My longer answer is yes, but ....
You can for sure sew thinner materials with a walking-foot machine. Use a needle and thread appropriate to the fabric, adjust tension as needed to get a balanced stitch, perhaps reduce presser foot pressure. Regardless of thickness/heaviness of the fabric, walking-foot machines may have a tendency to put pressure marks in the fabric (which is why there are smooth feet for leather sewing), and I suppose if the fabric is VERY thin and/or fragile, it could be damaged by the action of the walking-foot mechanism. Any sewing machine has a range of thread sizes it will be able to run and maintain a balanced stitch with, and it's possible some walking-foot machines just won't be able to run a very thin thread, but most of the typical "medium duty" machines, as well as the portables, should sew reasonably thin fabrics.
The "but ...." part is this - I think sewing thin materials with a walking-foot machine is akin to setting finish nails with a framing hammer. Sure, you can do it, but if you're doing finish carpentry, you should just invest in the proper hammer for the job you're doing.
I am a strong advocate for a two-machine minimum when it comes to sewing; a vintage domestic (or other domestic machine) for sewing lighter materials, and a walking-foot machine (portable or industrial) for the heavier stuff. Ideally, these two machines have some overlap in their capabilities.
For many people, this discussion is more about "do I spend the big bucks to step up to a walking-foot machine?" In the case of your question, it's a bit of an easier dilemma to solve, as vintage domestic machines can be had very inexpensively, and even a new domestic machine of reasonable capability can be had for a couple of hundred dollars. (I'm in the process of a long-term review of the Singer HD series of machines if you're curious about those.)
So, I'd say if you have a walking-foot machine that you love, and you RARELY need to sew something on the thinner side, you should be able to make it work. If you need to sew very thin materials and/or sew thinner stuff more often, I would strongly suggest shopping for some kind of non-walking-foot domestic machine to do that work.
I hope that helps, thanks for the question and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades thanks very much for reply
Hi Jason, thanks for more great info! I have been wondering about all the different off brand versions of the Sailrite machines out there. Family Sew, Consew, Rex, seems like endless brands that all look like the Ultrafeed LS. They are relatively inexpensive and state they are compatible with Sailrite parts. Are these any good in your opinion?
Almost (and I say almost loosely) all of the machines you find on the market are clones of clones of clones. That is to say most can be traced back to a single singer or early brand sewing machine. Lots of parts across brands are interchangeable. I haven't found a machine yet that doesn't have at least one other clone of it out on the market. Depending on your use case, I think any of those would be fine. One other thing that a lot of these videos about walking foot machines fail to mention, is that portable walking foot machines are great, inexpensive alternatives to a full sized machine for the average user.
Hi Joe,
You might want to check out this video for my thoughts on the "clones" of the Sailrite Ultrafeed.
ruclips.net/video/zOP1RdElCUE/видео.html
For clarity, my understanding of the genesis of the Ultrafeed vs other portable walking-foot machines that look identical has evolved over the years as I've learned a bit more about the situation. (If you go WAY back in my channel, I say some things that are inaccurate in the details.) My current understanding, though, is still that Sailrite's machines are unique among the portable walking-foot machines, having some internal casting differences among other changes. The difference in quality between the Ultrafeeds and the other machines I have seen is remarkable, plus Sailrite have innovated many improvements and provide excellent information and support to the community. Everything else on the market appears to be a generic machine that has a different name on it (I'm interested in being corrected on this if I am wrong).
My personal opinion is if you're buying new, and unless you absolutely can't afford it, buy a Sailrite. If you happen upon a used generic machine, or if the cost is truly a barrier, a generic machine will likely function the same, but anecdotally I've heard many stories of machines either working well initially then failing/needing repair or adjustment, or machines that didn't work out of the box and needed repair/adjustment to even start sewing. I've also heard from many people who have been happy with their generic machines. To some extent, your budget and your ethics have to be your guide. I've been extremely satisfied with both of my Ultrafeeds, though.
I hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
Hi Jesse,
I just wanted to state for clarity that I agree that portable walking-foot machines are a great option, I've talked about mine ad nauseam and purposely didn't include them as a category in this particular video, although I probably should have explained that better. Thanks for adding to the conversation, and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades
Thank you Jason. I don’t know how I missed that video. It answered all my questions.
Although it is not the same, I think I will see how my Kenmore 158.95 works for me for now until I have the capital(or real need) to invest in a Sailrite. I am just a hobbyist Seamster at the moment. I agree totally on Sailrite as a Company as well. I have had nothing but good experiences with them.
I don't thi k I would lump Consew in with the off brands.
@thejasonofalltrades are you in Canada?
I am not, I'm in Florida, USA. Lots of Canadians around here, though! 😁
Haha awesome! I was just curious
I didn't see any atler passing by. and I have a Juki LUH-521 double needle walking foot
Groeten sjoerd
Consew 206 RB-1 Can sew with T270 thread? and What is the widest stitch pitch in millimeters?
Hi!
I found this helpful - www.consew.com/files/112347/InstructionManuals/205RB-1.pdf
According to the tech specs, the machine can use up to a size 24 needle, which is the minimum size recommended for T270 thread (according to The Thread Exchange and Toledo Industrial Sewing Machines websites). Having not tried thread that thick (on any machine), I can't speak from personal experience, but it seems like the 206 should be able to do it (likely depending on the fabric being sewn as well). My personal suggestion would be to buy as small quantity of thread as you can and try it out before committing too much to it.
If by "stitch pitch" you mean stitch length, the max is 8mm (see the tech specs in the manual I linked to).
I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades Thank you for the information you gave. You've been very helpful.
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I have aa walking foot machine can you use an ordinary foot on it ? It was an impulse buy didn't see an ordinary foot in the parts ? 😮
Hi!
A walking-foot machine has a completely different foot from a standard machine, they are not cross-compatible. You can, however, sew a pretty wide variety of fabrics with a walking-foot machine. I find that my vintage domestic non-walking-foot machines are much better for thin materials, but other than that I can sew most things on my walking-foot machines.
I'm a firm believer in having both walking-foot and non-walking-foot machines to cover the materials that I most often sew.
I hope that helps! Thanks for watching!
Is needle feed enough for 600D bags with 1000D bottoms and 1.5” milspec nylon webbing ? Or is a walking foot needed ?
Hi John,
With apologies for the long answer ....
I have actually never used a needle feed machine; in fact, I don't think I've ever even seen one. I probably should have talked about this in the video (I forget that most viewers haven't seen every single video I've ever made and keep all of that back info for context lol).
In my experience, when looking for used industrial sewing machines, I almost exclusively see drop feed ("non-walking-foot") and compound-feed walking-foot (aka "triple-feed") machines. The majority of industrial walking-foot machines I've seen and used are compound feed; the Sailrite Ultrafeed machines are "double feed', so feed dogs and walking foot, and I can't tell any performance difference between that and compound feed.
Whenever I talk about my preference for walking-foot machines, commenters invariably bring up roller feet, needle-feed, etc. Having no experience with those machines, I can only say that if you already have one, and it works for you, then keep going! But if you are searching for the right sewing machine to do the kinds of things I do on this channel, I can tell you for sure a walking-foot machine will work great. Other feed types that I'm not familiar with might also work great, but a walking-foot machine definitely will.
I'll add that if you search around RUclips (or Instagram or whatever) for videos of bagmakers, from solo cottage operators to large factories, you will see a lot of walking-foot machines in use. In a factory assembly line, drop feed (and possibly needle feed, I can't say for sure) machines will be used for some subassembly of panels, etc., but bag assembly seems to always be on walking-foot machines. (I'm sure if someone looks hard enough there are counter examples out there, but they'll be the exception.)
Sorry to belabor the point, but this is straight from Consew's website regarding the 351R needle-feed machine:
"For stitching light to medium weight fabric, knits, synthetics, vinyl, canvas, denim and coated and laminated material
Suitable for attaching pockets to shirts, sewing collars and cuffs, stitching skirts, blouses, dresses, raincoats, general wearing apparel"
So to sum up, if you have a needle feed machine already, you can probably make it work for you - there are folks making great bags out there with household drop-feed machines. But if you're searching for a machine to make bags, I'd definitely recommend a walking-foot machine of some kind.
I hope that helps, thanks for the question, and thanks for watching!
I started sewing hunting saddles about a year ago using several layers of nylon/polyester straps, cordura and mil spec mesh materials. At the time, i used a newly restored Singer model 111W-100, a drop and needle feed machine. I was able to complete several saddles with some difficulties especially when sewing between sections and different thickness transition layers. Not long afterwards, i was able to acquire a triple feed Consew 255B (without a reverse) which made sewing so much easier. The walking foot action definitely made a big difference in sewing through thick materials and especially through seams and varying thickness!
Can you get welt feet for your machine?
I don't use them very often, but yes, many different sizes are available for the Consew 206. My upholsterer friend uses a 206 and has bunch of welt feet.
I’m struggling with finding any definitive information on some models I’m looking at. I’m very new and may have some questions.
First consew 230r-1
Hi!
It is often difficult to find detailed info on older machines, particularly industrials. I can tell you that the 230 is a non-walking-foot industrial machine, which most likely is intended to sew light-to-medium materials at high speeds.
Unfortunately, learning about particular machines requires a fair amount of googling, and often figuring out what other machines are the same/similar enough to glean additional info about the one in question.
Good luck in your search, and thanks for watching!
@@thejasonofalltrades thank you sir for the insight. I appreciate your time. It really is a bit of overload in the very beginning which is where I'm at. The different models in a series of even a handful of names. I'm in the research phase now about to make a purchase this week for my first time. Wish me luck good sir
I"ve been sewing on a Mitsubishi walking foot machine where I work and others there use Juki, but I don't have any break downs as the Juki does. We do use Juki Double needle machines and especially for double needle topstitching. Also I love my new t-shirt I get alot of comments Thanks!!!!!
oh my goodness.. i was a nervous wreck waiting to see if you rescued that fish..phew!
I have a peculiar mindset about fishing. I REALLY want to catch fish ( and in the right environment I will harvest some for food in the most humane way possible), but as soon as I catch one, I go into "rescue mode" and want to save the fish lol. I was pretty stressed about getting that one out of the rocks, because he definitely could have become unreachable, but my perfect record remains! 😁
@@thejasonofalltrades thank goodness!
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What is your thinking on a walking foot mechanism to attach to a non-walking foot machine... are they heavy duty enough?
Hi David, I did a video on this exact topic - ruclips.net/video/6DyD_btdEwA/видео.html
Short answer is, no. The walking-foot attachment is really not exactly the same thing as a walking-foot machine. I found it helped in a few circumstances, but it definitely is not a substitute for a walking-foot machine, and really doesn't even narrow the gap in a practical sense.
I hope that helps, thanks for watching!
Poor photos to answer your question.
Shave that beard...its gonna get caught up in that machine
It's ok, I have a lot of other machines to use if my beard breaks one 😂
2 things when looking to by anything at a good price, patience and don't fall in love with anything that can't love you back!
I just got a 78 three and it’s a needle feed walking foot
Thanks!
Thanks!
Thanks so much, Eugene!