Thank you so much for this video! I have been debating between a full size industrial vs the sailright and this pointed out the shortcomings of the portable machine and has helped me confirm my decision to get the fullsize machine! Great video!!
I came across a cell rate SZ - one a while back, and I absolutely love it. I use it to repair sails, webbing, Fabric it can handle just about anything. I also installed a worker B motor on mine.
Awesome great info my sewing has always been with a old singer that I took out of its comfort zone way to many times RIP. I will soon be buying a walking foot and this video was the best. Thank you
I tested the Sailrite. Bought a Juki DU-1181n walking foot. The LU-563 is no longer available, and used industrials are hard to find. I make handbags, including 3-4 oz leather. Many bagmakers sell their Sailrite LSZ-1 and buy 'full size' industrials because the presser foot lift height is simply inadequate.
Nice video . The little LSZ has its limitations and a place in many of small home shops and boats . For a person with more space and a greater workload , the larger units are the way to go .
Nice review! I think that if you need something portable; If you absolutely must have a zig zag; to be able to move the needle position; or if you are in an area with unreliable power. Sailrite definitely has those advantages. The upholstery shop or the serious heavy duty sewer, will likely want a full industrial for their main machine. If the Sailrite was less expensive, I would consider having one as a secondary portable Industrial. I could see an advantage to be able to take it to a job site. TFS
Thank you for sharing this valuable information. I sew as well and like your channel Blessings Viewing from the French island St Martin in the Caribbean.
M is still a really good bobbin size! The G style bobbin is a little small on the Consew 226 and Juki LU-562, but I never mind sewing with an M style bobbin. Best to you.
I've watched several of these videos and am suprised no one has used a thread conditioner of some kind, which would improve the sail rites performance, also no one mentions the knee lift...if you are making cushions a knee lift is must have. I have a sail right and a Singer industrial walking foot, that's forty years old and still sews like a dream! I refer to the sail rite as my on site machine, and he trusty Singer as my best friend. Don't forget needle type an size isn't mentioned and can and will make a big difference in the machines performance.
Thanks and I agree with your comments. The main limitation with the Sailrite is the presser foot doesn't lift high enough. I don't think thread wax would help with that issue, but it might if someone was having trouble with punching power. I love my knee lift too! Best way to free up your hands. Great comment.
I made five sails for my 1957 28 foot steel sloop with the sailrite and only for that Iook at her with gratitude. Now I’m looking for an industrial machine and, surprisingly, it’s hard, if not impossible, find a walking foot zigzag vintage one. I will opt for a Pfaff 145: easiest to find in my region. You make great videos!
Very nice comparison. I have the initial basic Sailrite straight stitch bought before the zig zag option was even offered and understand it's shortfalls ..but it is truly portable so you can take it to the dock or even on board. I have used it to sew/replace clear windows in Sunbrella and make Sunbrella curtains and cushion covers and such for our 36 ft Topaz Sportfisher .. it did great. If I was doing upholstery a lot I would love a machine like your Juki. Before I got the Sailrite, I replaced the cushion covers on the dinette and V birth (with piping) using my old 90's Janome Memory Craft work horse which remains strong. Hardest part was handling the large sections of heavy upholstery fabric
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker That Janome Memory Craft was my first machine embroidery machine. I have a true love of the older classic machines and have quite a few.
I'm new to the Sailrite, I like how you repeated a number of times how you go to top dead center then just past before you raise the presser foot - it just might sink into my brain I've subbed
The juki is a compound machine it's kinda in a different league compared to the sailrite, top and bottom feed however is very effective for thinner mid weight materials/smaller thread and needle size The combo of the 2 is priceless, zigzag needle left or right for zippers and tight spaces, compound for everything else going trough 2 to multiple layers
Love seeing the comparison. I didnt realise the actual difference in size. I was going to purchase a Sailrite but was too expensive to import where i live. For the same price I got a brand new Typical GC0323 walking foot, in a table with servo motor. Not quite sure if the Typical is as heavy duty as your Juki but I do believe it is a much better machine the the Sailrite I was going to buy
Yeah I think the Sailrite machines are good for sails and upholstery and they do a great job with marketing and accessories on their site, but I think the machines are overrated. I have an old Thompson on which their Ultrafeed is based on and it's a tough version of a home machine basically which can get through 5/8" of soft leather in a pinch. I'm thinking about getting a Juki or Consew
Very informative video. Enjoyed watching the difference between the machines. Sailrite seems to be loud and rough sounding. The Juki was really quiet and honestly, I was shocked at the difference between the two on how they sounded. Looking at both and what each can perform, I was quite impressed with the Juki.
Very impressive comparison! I think my concern would be the struggle with the presser foot and the noise made by the Sailrite. The Juki was a really nice machine! Thank you
I have thus exact model of Sailrite and when I watched him sew the noise of the machine was the first thing I noticed. There seems to be something wrong with his machine because mine doesn’t have that loud motor noise nor does it make a clicking sound with each stitch. That’s an issue as well as the fact that he’s not comparing machines with the same features.
Oh man you read my mind. I have been struggling to find a sewing machine that fits my living space and what I want to do with it which is mostly leather.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I'm looking at this one machine (Deluxe Super TuffSew) the guy said it's a portable walking foot industrial sewing machine.... any thoughts? recommendations? I also have a Consew Upholstery machine model CP206RL that the guys say is portable and can be with a table.
@@dulceacosta2557 It's a lightweight portable walking foot like the Sailrite or Consew. It won't have the lift capacity or power of a Consew, Juki, or Pfaff but for 2 layers of canvas or vinyl they are ok. I wouldn't sew much leather with it.
Hey @TheThoughtfulWoodworker - Your LU-563 is amazingly quiet. I am looking to buy one myself, and the videos I have seen of them running online, even after a Servo upgrade, are considerably louder than your one is. Do you have information on what Servo system you used on yours and what my contribute to the increased volume of another machine? I assume worn or older parts may be a factor. Do things like bearings or shaft bushings etc wear and need replacing? Parts are still available for these machines I assume? Thanks
I do think the Juki 563 is a great machine. I've had several of them, and they've all been pretty quiet. Mine has an oil journal on top, near the handwheel, and I keep everything lubricated for each project. Some of the 563 models I've owned had a sealed bearing at the handwheel (no oil port on top). Those can run with a touch more noise, but still really quiet. In fact I think the main reason mine is quiet is due to the servo setup + speed reducer. I'm just going slower than other machines, so it sounds smooth. Here is the Cutex servo I'm currently running on my Juki 563 (branded Eagle but purchased from Cutex)... amzn.to/3Pepysr or another machine I've been using quite a bit lately... amzn.to/3Dza6Ey with Consew 3000 / 3001 digital servo... amzn.to/3BSzGnt I have a video on the digital servo on that Amazon listing explaining the features and needle position sensor. Thanks and Happy New Year!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker have you seen and tried the 550W servo motors which are brushless, rather than the brushed version. Speed controller is separate and has 4 buttons, rather than a knob on the motor. Some options also have a position sensor. I am based in New Zealand, so 230VAC here, not 110v. Are parts still readily available for this Juki? Do they still make the parts at Juki or are they all aftermarket these days? Given it's a 40yr old machine now. Thanks
@@JB-NZ Yes I run a Consew 3000 / 3001 on my Consew 206RB-5. It's a digital servo with needle positioner. Pretty great motor and you can sew stitch by stitch. Plus if you have the needle position sensor you can back tap the pedal to raise the needle. I set mine so the "up" position aligns the dots on the handwheel for perfect thread release without touching the handwheel. Here is a video on the digital servo... ruclips.net/video/JRy8V2uz43M/видео.html and a video on the needle position sensor... ruclips.net/video/zsMNdkr43_0/видео.html As far as the Juki LU-563 I find that wear items like bobbins and presser feet are readily available. I've had several and never really needed to replace anything. Maybe a needle bar on one machine, but that was available at the time. Easier to source than Pfaff parts for me, which are very hard to find now in the U.S. Thanks!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Those videos were perfect and answered all my questions, thank you! I hope this LU-563 I am interested in buying is all OK and not flogged out. It is no where near as pristine as your one, I can tell from the photos, so likely has had a lot more use and potentially misuse. I really hope nothing is too far gone. Thanks once again!
I have the newer model of the LSZ-1, with the Worker Bee motor and it is an amazing machine! I would love a Juki, but it is not portable. This is why in my eyes the LSZ-1 Ultrafeed is a "better" more practical machine. Great video!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Very "thoughtful" of you to reply. pun intended:) . For sure, I see quite a few improvements to the one in your video. I'm loving the machine. I did have my eye on a Consew or Juki, I just needed portability and power. Finding something that has Zig zag was a huge bonus too.
Great video! Love my Sailrite and its portability. You should check out the new 1/4 hp motor upgrade. Jukis are awesome machines (I want one) and my Bernina is like a member of the family. I have learned the limits of each and its good to have a small fleet for different capabilities. Each has its advantages.... Thanks for sharing⚓
Interesting you mention the 1/4hp Sailrite motor upgrade. That would be a good option for some people. I'm currently using the Sailrite Leatherwork for small projects, which has a 550w servo and speed reducer. That's another great way to get more power. Thanks for the nice comment. Best
I have it, This thing is a beast! 6 layers of leather, no problem. Bunched up Cordura plus web belt, no problem. Waxed canvas, easy day. I tested 5 layers of thick web belt and it still was easy. Next test is plywood🤣
Great comparison! Would be nice to see how these walking feet do on curved seams. I do patch sewing on leather jackets and vests so am combining dense embroidery stitching/twill fabric/adhesive/leather and lining. I really need a portable machine since my patch sewing is done at events and I am the only one loading the machine, so weight, portability, power, presser foot clearance and slow detailed work. Your comparison helped quite a bit! That Juki is a gem, am jealous!
Thanks for the nice comment. A cylinder arm might work well for the jacket arms and curved seams. Then it wouldn't be portable though. Maybe a portable walking foot machine for on site demos, and a stationary walking foot at home? Dare to dream, right? Best of luck whatever you decide.
I never bought a tabled industrial walking foot because I want zigzag. I have always looked at the Sailrite, but you pointed it out- distance between feed dogs and walking foot is’t as good as I’d like. As to power, I suppose one could table the Sailrite and run it from a servo motor, but lose portability. If Sailrite made the Fabricator with zigzag I’d be jumping on it. Great video. My takeaway is that the Sailrite mini can do so much more than a domestic, but falls slightly short on the really heavy stuff.
I think that's a fair assessment. I also have the Sailrite Leatherwork which is a table mounted portable (no zigzag) with servo and small speed reducer. It's good for wallets, belts and small leather goods. Best
Nice comparison. I had an lsz1 also have industrial machines and the difference in daily use is obvious. The lsz1 is a toy in comparison. Compared to a domestic machine though the lsz1 is an improvement. I ended up selling the lsz1 and was surprised how much it sold for in Australia on an ebay auction. It was enough for me to buy a singer 153 binder with change.
Thank you very much for your video...I am looking for a machine just like the Yuki but with the zig zag stitch!! Does it exist? Can you suggest one?? Thank you 😊😊😊
Love these reviews! -- QUESTION -- My last issue is Zig Zag stiches.. I notice that most of these industrial machines do straight stitch only. The Sailrite does zig zag for sails I guess.. But it is unclear to me whether zig zag is a stronger or better stitch. Some articles say it is not. Any thoughts on that Is there any downside to the zig zag? Can you get modify this Juki or the Cansew 206RB to do a zig zag?
Good Questions! I don't feel that a zig zag stitch is stronger or better in leather and upholstery material, although it might help with canvas. It can be used as a cheap alternative to a serger when working with material prone to fraying, but there are better overlock stitches on most modern machines. You can't modify a 206 to do zigzag stitch. I really doubt you'll ever miss a zigzag stitch if your machine doesn't have it. Thanks
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ...really good answer.. We are honing in on the Juki 563 in excellent condition and will get the servo motor and try to configure like you did. We may go sailing and have some impression that we may repair our sails with it -- Sail makers use zig zag, although I read somewhere that a quality single stich is as good or better, and that two lines of single stitch would certainly be better. Just wish I knew the best answer to that but there are no good sources. You mentioned your servo is 500watts and I see online some are 750 watts etc., Assuming they all plug into the normal power socket in our house, how would you tell the difference between "just" 500 watts vs 750 or 1000 watts?
@@Coleen-Love You'll be fine with a 550w servo like this... amzn.to/3X6Rd3F I think they're easier to control than a digital servo, and have enough power for just about anything. If you plan to add a speed reducer, it will have gobs of power! Mine could sew through plywood.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ..perfect. Do you have a video of the Juki when you first got it and showing the coondition and the repairs etc that you did? Seems to now be in near perfect condition.
@@Coleen-Love Here is my main Juki video... ruclips.net/video/v2QdIKrK_xI/видео.html Juki vs. Pfaff video... ruclips.net/video/n8IWQKJH-vg/видео.html and a servo install video on a Juki (no speed reducer)... ruclips.net/video/Dx_rS9Fzvfo/видео.html Have fun!
Yes a Sailrite can be fitted in the table. A Sailrite Leatherwork for instance comes with a short table and mini speed reducer! Makes a pretty nice package. Thanks.
Exactly the comparison I needed. Sailrite does make a model expressly for leather. I think it is the Fabricator. My shop occasionally floods, so portability is a major factor. But that Juki......so very nice. Thank you for the excellent video.
Cool. Yes, Sailrite has the Fabricator but they also have the Leatherwork. It comes with a very compact table, servo motor and speed reducer. I have a Leatherwork and did a review on it, as well as a demo sewing leather barstools. You should check out those videos. Best.
I've had my sailrite for a couple of years, and use it all the time. When building or repairing sails, a zig zag stitch is needed/preferred, to handle the stresses on the fabric. An industrial zig zag would cost about $4500 or more (Consew 146RB) so the sailrite is a bargain. That said, I am in process of ordering a Juki 1541 or 1508 for my canvas and leather work but am keeping the sailrite.
Great video. I own a latest version sail rite with worker bee and it's powerful and compact which is what I bought it for. I made a new bimini and enclosure on my boat with it for about $2500,(machine and materials) versus $12,000 quoted. I love having it on the boat with me. Sailrite video's taught me a lot which I am grateful for. if only at home for heavy duty, leather etc I would look for a Juki or comparable.
Thanks for this vid. I have been looking at both. most interest is the Sailrite, has zig-zag and its portable. Now they offer a new servo drive, heavy flywheel. makes alot more power and torque and quieter. Each machine has a particular purpose.
I don't have access to the Worker B motor at the moment, but understand all new Sailrite portables will be equipped with that motor. They are more powerful and efficient than the small motors they used to come with, and should work great. Thanks!
Both machines will sew with 92 weight thread. The Juki can handle nylon strap as long as the total compressed thickness is around 7/16" or less. The problem with sewing nylon strap with the Sailrite is foot clearance. It's supposed to sew 5/16" of compressed thickness, but the foot will be dragging on the material, because it doesn't lift high enough for medium to heavy work. Best to you.
That Juki was nice and quiet. I appreciate that as some one who lives in an apartment and sometimes sews at night. My old household Singer is noisy, my mother's old 1964 Singer is really loud! I also have a Husqvarna Viking Sapphire, and that one is quiet, but not at quiet as that Juki.
I broke 2 Heavy Duty Singer 4452 machines in less than 2 months simply trying to sew hook and loop material to polyester strap material. The Sailrite LSZ-1 was not challenged at all to complete the same sewing. I used a 2 wheel dolly to get the LSZ-1 to my van from the UPS Store where I had it shipped to. I could carry the Singer 4452 Heavy Duty from the store to my van under my arm if I wanted to.
Both of my Sailrite machines really struggle with piping. There's not quite enough presser foot lift in my opinion. If you get 3 layers of upholstery fabric under the foot, the presser foot will start dragging. That's even if the machine is set to maximum lift. Best
Nice video. For materials such as Sunbrella, sail cover canvas or sail cloth (upholstery weight, v92) which models of Juki or Consew provide zigzag stitching, walking foot as well as straight stitching?
The Consew 146RB, some versions of the old Consew 199, and Sailrite are the only models I'm aware of that offer both walking foot and zig zag in one machine. Best to you.
Sailrite does make a sewing machine for leather work, the machine you were using is intended for Dacron, and Sunbrella, however you can use it for leather if needed or lighter materials as well.
Yes, I have the Sailrite Leatherwork as well. But honestly it is exactly the same as the LS-1 with a servo motor and small speed reducer. It doesn't have any more foot lift than the machine I was demonstrating on.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker its is limited in lift as the name may suggest, Sailrite sewing machines end up on sailboats with limited space. We use them for every, including helping the neighbor in the marina. If space isn't an issue a bigger machine makes the most sense. Sailrite now produces a more powerful motor also.to make things a little easier. I did enjoy your video, insightful!
Guess it comes down to, yes price and that life lesson: it’s usually better to be over powered than under powered. Space can just be the compromise. Love Sailrite for what it is. Love the JUZKI sound of relaxed power-punch. Wow. Great demo.
Thank you for your great video. I will like to know if I can use light fabric on these machines. I’m looking for a heavy duty sewing machine (with zig zag and straight stitch) that handles light to heavy weight fabrics as well as leather, canvas etc. Thank you.
I was watching a Sailrite video today and they said when you sew a corner, you should bury the needle and then bring it up 1/8th of an inch, raise presser foot, pivot, lower presser foot and then continue sewing. That way you can ensure the corner stitch will be complete.
It's a good comparison for someone considering these two machines. It wasn't meant to be a fair comparison, just an honest look at the capabilities of two different sewing machines. The fabricator falls between the capabilities of the portable machines and the LU-563. It will sew 5/16" thick material, vinyl or leather. Best
I have an old 132K6 and it will sew anything from 2 layers of calico (very nicely) to 6mm plywood + carpet and vinyl. I can sew the material straight the door panel on the older cars. It is so old it doesn't have reverse and they still make the same machine today with reverse being the only difference. I am now looking at a Sailrite due to portability and your video has helped and also created some questions. Are the newer ones a little smoother sounding? Anyone had experience with a newer model with the new motor? I can pretty much use any machine and am still wondering if the Sailrite will sew Biminis and Dodgers with ease or is it asking a bit much?
I also have a Sailrite Leatherwork with servo and small speed reducer. It sounds about the same as the blue one. It will sew a little more than a domestic machine, but nothing compared to a full sized industrial machine. It has plenty of power with the Workhorse servo, but the foot only lifts 5/16" high. This means it starts dragging on your work when sewing 4 layers. My projects have as many as 8 layers when sewing straps into seams. Good luck with your decision!
Yes, the Juki LU-563 has a large paddle style reverse lever. The similar LU-562 also has reverse. One common machine that doesn't have reverse is a Consew 225. Good luck with it!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Do you think the Sailrite would do better on that piping piece if it had a servo motor, or was that mostly about the feed dogs and foot not being able to walk over that much thickness? I have been debating on either upgrading my Thompson with a monster wheel and servo motor, or just going all-in on a bigger industrial machine like the Juki.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 the Sailrite reaches a hard limit at about 5/16" thickness. It just won't walk over anything thicker. A monster wheel or a servo upgrade wouldn't help the issue in this case. Although a servo and/or a speed reducer do a lot to improve the performance of a full size industrial machine. Good luck with it.
I just put a consew and a juki in flight cases,, Case is for amplifiers, ,a 6 unit. 22"x11x 32 tall. Has a lid at each end. Built head into lid. Throttle cable for motor ( servo), mounted on head. Had a barracuda/ sailrite, awesome junk. Hook timing slipped on a blue jeans. Seam.. Set it,sold, it....best boat/ catamaran. machine a juki1508, or similar consew/ Seiko.. 135needles and v207 threads.
I've had a Sailrite LSZ1 (no monster wheel) for about 10 years and I do my own Sunbrella console covers, seat covers, motor covers, etc. I've been fighting with this machine it seems like since day 1. The latest problem is that it keeps fraying thread at the needle and I can't figure out what the problem is. I usually hear a clank and then I look and the thread is frayed and sometimes it is frayed without the clank. Any idea what might be causing this issue? It usually happens when I am going through several layers of sunbrella, I don't see any barbs anywhere that could be cutting the thread. I'm about to move on from this machine to a Juki or Consew I think.
My suggestion is to load the machine with two different colors of thread. That way you can tell if it's the upper or lower thread shredding. Replace the needle with the correct system and size for the thread you're using (I recommend using a 69 weight thread and size 18 needle for testing). If the upper thread is shredding, it may be that your needle is too small, thread is too small or poor quality thread (I've had dreadful luck with outdoor Sunbrella type thread). Also, make sure that you thread the machine through all guides, especially the needle bar thread guide, or last guide before the needle. If the lower thread is shredding, it can be a hook timing or spacing issue. Good luck!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Thank you Willy for the tips, I will give them a try! I was using V92 thread from sailrite and a #20 needle. Sailrite has great customer service but even after talking with them I was never able to resolve the issue.
I rather wish i had come across this comparison before today, as it may have impacted my overall decision. I ended up purchasing a Sailrite straight stitch machine last year after hemming and hawing between a used industrial and the SR. I'm not upset with the Sailrite. The newer versions of machine appear to have addressed some of the clearance issues you demonstrated in this video, and getting 4 layers under a new machine is not as difficult as you showed. I think it comes down to the mechanical lift was adjusted to capture some of the manual extra you showed near the end of the video. The challenge is in doing some DIY upholstery projects for automotive, adding a backing foam now takes up all of the increased clearance in the new machine and I return to having similar frustrations overall. I think if it was anything more than a hobby level endeavor, i'd be going back to the bowl of fruit and sampling something different. I remain curious how the Sailrite fabricator machine compares to the likes of newer Consew and Juki machines. It seems the real quality machines for upholstery have all cheapened over the past decade and those of us shopping now are faced with the conundrum of what level of frustration we want to deal with. There don't seem to be many slow speed truly high quality options buying new.
Yeah I hear you. I have the Sailrite Leatherwork as well, and it has the same clearance issue as the old ones. If you sew more than two layers of 3oz leather, the foot drags on the work. Fabricator will have normal industrial sewing capability of 3/8" compressed thickness. Best of luck.
Nice indepth comparison, thanks. What servo motor and reduction gearbox did you install? Im looking for a good drive train for my pfaff 1445 :) thank you
This is the servo I most often use... amzn.to/3Lp5PFF and the box style speed reducer is from Toledo Sewing / Cowboy Bob... www.tolindsewmach.com/ Good luck getting everything set up.
That was a great and informative video!! I just bought a used Reliable Barracuda 200zw. I’m a quilter who’s got into bag making using vinyl with fabric and interfacing. I have not used it yet but am about to try it out. The only thing I can see immediately that I’m not too thrilled about is the foot that surrounds is gigantic. Making bags I won’t be using more than 1/2” seam allowance and I can see that foot getting in my way. Any idea if a smaller surrounding foot is even available? TYFS!!!
Thanks Angela. I'm not sure about the Barracuda, I've only had my hands on it once. The Sailrite does offer an alternate foot for leather/ thin material. But I'm not sure that it's any smaller. It supposedly is smoother on the bottom so it won't mark up leather. Good luck with your machine!
Hello, I sew bags with light fabrics combined with some vinyl. I would like to buy a JUKI with a walking foot. Which one would you recommend? This video just nailed it. You are a natural teacher, very clear and specific. Thank you very much.
Hi Sandra, thanks for your nice comments. For sewing light fabric with vinyl, you might be able to get away with a simple drop feed machine like a DDL 8700. If you have multiple layers of vinyl, or think you might want to do leather or heavier upholstery weight fabric, then a walking foot is recommended. I favor the old Juki LU-563 with huge U style bobbin, but the LU-562 is almost identical but with a small G style bobbin. Any of the new Juki walking foot machines are highly capable. The main decisions you are making are do you prefer a top loading bobbin or a side loading bobbin? Is a large M style bobbin important to you? Or is a small G bobbin adequate? Best of luck picking a great machine!
I would recommend the Juki 1541. You can also buy the sailrite leather foot they use on their Fabricator and it fits the juki. It has a smooth foot so it won't damage the vinyl. I do recommend using a hump jumper or scrap piece of vinyl to protect the vinyl when going UP or DOWN from a hump. If not, the presser foot will eat your vinyl and you will be very sad. Lot's of bagmakers on YT use the 1181 so I think you can also consider that one. But if you ever decide to use leather, you should go for the 1541.
Do you think one can buy the Chinese version of the Sailrite and have someone do the upgrades in the UK to get it to work like the Sailrite. I simply can justify spending that sort of crazy money. I found the Juki DU-1181N but don't know if this is the equivalent to your JUKI LU563
The 1181 is a double feed walking foot, but still pretty good. It would sew thicker material that a portable Sailrite. Good luck finding the perfect machine.
I use the regular hand control for the Juki. I've used Consews with foot pedal reverse, attached to the machine by a chain. There's really no good attachment point for a chain on this Juki. Thanks
Now it does increase the cost but you can purchase a 550w servo motor with speed reducer for the Ultrafeed from Sailrite. It doesn't come with it stock though and you are pretty much committing to it no longer being a portable machine. So the Sailrite machine can have similar power. It really comes down to price, how loud it is, zig-zag stitch capability, how portable it is, and clearance under the presser foot.
Hi Joseph. Well said. Yes, for instance you can buy the Sailrite Leather machine which comes with a mini table, servo and small speed reducer. It should be a nice package for a lot of crafters.
@@dannyl2598 Yes, I think they're similar. Although Sailrite has made some improvements in terms of reliability, and making parts more widely available. Thanks
Did you use the piping foot when you attempted to sew the piping on the Sailrite? I’ve not had any issues with variation using it so it’s odd that you did.
Yes, I used the piping foot. That's what comes standard with Sailrite portables. Material thickness is what makes the difference. If you run out of clearance, say with 4 layers of upholstery fabric and 5/32" piping, it won't sew well. Thanks.
That's a great question. I was under the impression that they ship worldwide, but a query to Sailrite might be best. Sailrite.com is how I get in touch with them. Very nice folks. Best of luck!
No way I had both a Sailrite and an industrial Juki and Consews. You can't compare. The sailrite always broke or got out of timing when it came time for automotive upholstery. We ended up selling them on eBay and stuck to the tried and true machines.
I use the lightly knurled feet from Sailrite. They don't mark even delicate veg tanned leather. The traditional deep-tooth feet will likely leave scuff marks. Best
I have a Reliable Barracuda. I'm pretty sure it's the same machine as the LZ1. I think Sailrite just takes the basic machine and does a lot of modifications and improvements to it. I don't think they build them from scratch. I have noticed that the Sailrite LZ presser foot lifts a lot more than mine. I'd like to see how to adjust the walking foot and the presser foot for proper height and tension. Also, your Juki is a compound walking foot, where the needle actually pulls the fabric. It's far superior to the regular walking foot. My Reliable tends to slip with certain materials. But for the money, it's hard to beat.
There's an adjustment under the top cover for foot steppage height. Most machines have something like it, but the adjustment is counterintuitive. You make the adjustment backwards compared to any other walking foot. It still doesn't lift as high as I'd like. Best
If you haven’t figured it out yet, Sailrite has a couple of utube videos that gave me enough info to figure it out on the Barracuda. Just go slow, ignore the measurements quoted and aim instead to get the clearances specified in the Barracuda sales lit.
Is there a practical difference in the types of walking foot you show here? The needle feed (triple feed?) machine seems more efficient, like the Sailrite Fabricator. Nice to see the older style Sailrite, it's about the same as the currently marketed "clones", like the REX, Reliable, etc... Also, the outer foot on the Sailrite can always be changed to a deeper cord, and Sailrite has several different styles of feet. The other thing is that the Sailrite foot lift is adjustable up to about 1/2 inch. Same with the clones.
The triple feed has the needle buried as the material is advanced. Just one more element working in unison to evenly feed the material. Every Sailrite portable I've sewn on maxed out at about 5/16 sewing capacity. Even with the walking foot steppage adjusted to maximum. You're right the Fabricator is a triple feed machine. It will more reliably do 3/8" compressed thickness. Best
Hi Sharon, with industrial walking foot machines it's a little different than home machines. Industrial machines come as a walking foot or just a basic drop feed machine. The DDL 8700 is not a walking foot. You need something like a LU-562, LU-563, Consew 206rb, Consew 226 or similar. Home sewing machines have add-on walking foot attachments, but they won't really be good for leather. Best of luck!
Hi Michael, there are a few other portable zigzag walking foot machines like Thompson, Rex, and Consew, but none I'd recommend. I think if you need a walking foot with Zigzag feature, the LSZ-1 would be your best option. I'm reviewing the Leatherwork machine now, so stay tuned to the channel if your interested in that machine package. Cheers
I like the idea of the sailrite when the power goes out I can keep on sewing and they do have a larger piping foot and they have beautiful stitching. I did not like how you made sailrite stitching closer together they do have a further apart stitching
That's great if they do have a larger piping foot, because the one that comes with the machine is too small for 5/32" piping. My Leatherwork came with the same small cording foot. I agree that stitch length should be longer for piping. On newer Sailrite machines, changing stitch length is really awkward because you have to adjust two knobs. One sets forward stitch length and one sets backwards stitch length. On full size industrial machines, that's all automatic. Ultimately, each user knows what's most important to them. Sounds like you're set on the Sailrite benefits, so I say go for it!
What a fine video. Well done clear camera work and intelligent informative commentary. A rare combination. Thank you.
Wow! Thanks.
That was a good presentation and evaluation of the Sailrite and it's limitations.
Thanks for checking it out. Best to you.
Thank you so much for this video! I have been debating between a full size industrial vs the sailright and this pointed out the shortcomings of the portable machine and has helped me confirm my decision to get the fullsize machine! Great video!!
Thanks so much. I hope you find just the right machine for your needs. Best to you.
I came across a cell rate SZ - one a while back, and I absolutely love it. I use it to repair sails, webbing, Fabric it can handle just about anything. I also installed a worker B motor on mine.
Glad the Sailrite is working well for you.
Your videos are great. I can tell you put a lot of effort into them and it shows.
Thanks Jay, such a kind thing to say!
Awesome great info my sewing has always been with a old singer that I took out of its comfort zone way to many times RIP. I will soon be buying a walking foot and this video was the best. Thank you
Thanks for commenting. Glad some of the info was helpful in your decision making.
I tested the Sailrite. Bought a Juki DU-1181n walking foot. The LU-563 is no longer available, and used industrials are hard to find. I make handbags, including 3-4 oz leather. Many bagmakers sell their Sailrite LSZ-1 and buy 'full size' industrials because the presser foot lift height is simply inadequate.
Thanks for your insight. Sounds like you made the best decision based on your needs.
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Times a million about the foot lift height being too little.
I had wondered about the Juki. I heard a lot of good but vague comments. Thanks for this!
Thanks Delores, you might like this video too... ruclips.net/video/v2QdIKrK_xI/видео.html
Best to you.
Very helpful! The information and demos were terrific and will help me make a much better purchase of a walking foot machine
That's great Adam. Best of luck finding the right machine for you!
Nice video . The little LSZ has its limitations and a place in many of small home shops and boats . For a person with more space and a greater workload , the larger units are the way to go .
Very true. Well said!
This is a great video. Thanks for making it.
Thank you!
Nice review! I think that if you need something portable; If you absolutely must have a zig zag; to be able to move the needle position; or if you are in an area with unreliable power. Sailrite definitely has those advantages. The upholstery shop or the serious heavy duty sewer, will likely want a full industrial for their main machine. If the Sailrite was less expensive, I would consider having one as a secondary portable Industrial. I could see an advantage to be able to take it to a job site. TFS
Totally agree with your assessment. Thanks!
What a wonderful review on both products. Thank you for explaining in detail. You helped me so much to make up my mind.
Hey thanks for checking out the video. Happy sewing.
What are you going with?
@@beaconbus I use Juki and Consew mostly.
Thank you for sharing this valuable information. I sew as well and like your channel Blessings Viewing from the French island St Martin in the Caribbean.
A very good and objective comparison. Thanks.
Thanks mate, appreciate the nice comment.
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Never knew they had room under that plate for a “U” bobbin, mine in Juki and Singer (all the same frame/body) can use only “M” bobbins.
M is still a really good bobbin size! The G style bobbin is a little small on the Consew 226 and Juki LU-562, but I never mind sewing with an M style bobbin. Best to you.
I've watched several of these videos and am suprised no one has used a thread conditioner of some kind, which would improve the sail rites performance, also no one mentions the knee lift...if you are making cushions a knee lift is must have. I have a sail right and a Singer industrial walking foot, that's forty years old and still sews like a dream! I refer to the sail rite as my on site machine, and he trusty Singer as my best friend. Don't forget needle type an size isn't mentioned and can and will make a big difference in the machines performance.
Thanks and I agree with your comments. The main limitation with the Sailrite is the presser foot doesn't lift high enough. I don't think thread wax would help with that issue, but it might if someone was having trouble with punching power.
I love my knee lift too! Best way to free up your hands.
Great comment.
Hi what model you use please upholstery wise
What kind of Singer do you have?
You are a wealth of knowledge and information!! Thank you!!
Wow thanks for the kind words Donna! Just talking about the things I enjoy doing. Best to you.
I made five sails for my 1957 28 foot steel sloop with the sailrite and only for that Iook at her with gratitude. Now I’m looking for an industrial machine and, surprisingly, it’s hard, if not impossible, find a walking foot zigzag vintage one. I will opt for a Pfaff 145: easiest to find in my region. You make great videos!
Thanks! Good luck with the machine search.
Check out the Consew 146 RB. This is a walking foot zig zag machine. RB = reverse, large bobbin.
Very nice comparison. I have the initial basic Sailrite straight stitch bought before the zig zag option was even offered and understand it's shortfalls ..but it is truly portable so you can take it to the dock or even on board. I have used it to sew/replace clear windows in Sunbrella and make Sunbrella curtains and cushion covers and such for our 36 ft Topaz Sportfisher .. it did great. If I was doing upholstery a lot I would love a machine like your Juki. Before I got the Sailrite, I replaced the cushion covers on the dinette and V birth (with piping) using my old 90's Janome Memory Craft work horse which remains strong. Hardest part was handling the large sections of heavy upholstery fabric
That's cool the Janome could handle piping. It's fun to try out different machines and see where they excel.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker That Janome Memory Craft was my first machine embroidery machine. I have a true love of the older classic machines and have quite a few.
I'm new to the Sailrite, I like how you repeated a number of times how you go to top dead center then just past before you raise the
presser foot - it just might sink into my brain
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Ha ha, nice.
Thank you Willy .
Great info thanks
I wish you could do a comparison between the Juki 1541 and the Sailrite Fabricator! That might be a closer comparison!
Yes, that would be a good comparison. Haven't seen those two go head to head yet.
The juki is a compound machine it's kinda in a different league compared to the sailrite, top and bottom feed however is very effective for thinner mid weight materials/smaller thread and needle size
The combo of the 2 is priceless, zigzag needle left or right for zippers and tight spaces, compound for everything else going trough 2 to multiple layers
Yeah they both perform well for what they're designed to do. Walking foot plus zig zag is a cool and rare feature.
Love seeing the comparison. I didnt realise the actual difference in size. I was going to purchase a Sailrite but was too expensive to import where i live. For the same price I got a brand new Typical GC0323 walking foot, in a table with servo motor. Not quite sure if the Typical is as heavy duty as your Juki but I do believe it is a much better machine the the Sailrite I was going to buy
Good luck with your decision. At any rate, a walking foot is great to have.
Yeah I think the Sailrite machines are good for sails and upholstery and they do a great job with marketing and accessories on their site, but I think the machines are overrated. I have an old Thompson on which their Ultrafeed is based on and it's a tough version of a home machine basically which can get through 5/8" of soft leather in a pinch. I'm thinking about getting a Juki or Consew
I love that Juki. It's quieter than my Bernina.
Very informative video. Enjoyed watching the difference between the machines. Sailrite seems to be loud and rough sounding. The Juki was really quiet and honestly, I was shocked at the difference between the two on how they sounded. Looking at both and what each can perform, I was quite impressed with the Juki.
Hi Donna! I still have a Juki LU-563 to this day. I see no need to replace it, and really enjoy that extra large U style bobbin.
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Very impressive comparison! I think my concern would be the struggle with the presser foot and the noise made by the Sailrite. The Juki was a really nice machine! Thank you
Hey Rebecca, thanks for watching and thanks for the nice comment.
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I have thus exact model of Sailrite and when I watched him sew the noise of the machine was the first thing I noticed. There seems to be something wrong with his machine because mine doesn’t have that loud motor noise nor does it make a clicking sound with each stitch. That’s an issue as well as the fact that he’s not comparing machines with the same features.
Oh man you read my mind. I have been struggling to find a sewing machine that fits my living space and what I want to do with it which is mostly leather.
Tough decision.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I'm looking at this one machine (Deluxe Super TuffSew) the guy said it's a portable walking foot industrial sewing machine.... any thoughts? recommendations? I also have a Consew Upholstery machine model CP206RL that the guys say is portable and can be with a table.
@@dulceacosta2557 It's a lightweight portable walking foot like the Sailrite or Consew. It won't have the lift capacity or power of a Consew, Juki, or Pfaff but for 2 layers of canvas or vinyl they are ok. I wouldn't sew much leather with it.
Cool shirt. Thanks for the videos!
Thanks! Love that Limbert furniture.
Hey @TheThoughtfulWoodworker - Your LU-563 is amazingly quiet. I am looking to buy one myself, and the videos I have seen of them running online, even after a Servo upgrade, are considerably louder than your one is. Do you have information on what Servo system you used on yours and what my contribute to the increased volume of another machine? I assume worn or older parts may be a factor. Do things like bearings or shaft bushings etc wear and need replacing? Parts are still available for these machines I assume? Thanks
I do think the Juki 563 is a great machine. I've had several of them, and they've all been pretty quiet. Mine has an oil journal on top, near the handwheel, and I keep everything lubricated for each project. Some of the 563 models I've owned had a sealed bearing at the handwheel (no oil port on top). Those can run with a touch more noise, but still really quiet. In fact I think the main reason mine is quiet is due to the servo setup + speed reducer. I'm just going slower than other machines, so it sounds smooth. Here is the Cutex servo I'm currently running on my Juki 563 (branded Eagle but purchased from Cutex)... amzn.to/3Pepysr or another machine I've been using quite a bit lately... amzn.to/3Dza6Ey with Consew 3000 / 3001 digital servo... amzn.to/3BSzGnt I have a video on the digital servo on that Amazon listing explaining the features and needle position sensor. Thanks and Happy New Year!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker amazing thank you for replying. I'll take a look at the links.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker have you seen and tried the 550W servo motors which are brushless, rather than the brushed version. Speed controller is separate and has 4 buttons, rather than a knob on the motor. Some options also have a position sensor.
I am based in New Zealand, so 230VAC here, not 110v.
Are parts still readily available for this Juki? Do they still make the parts at Juki or are they all aftermarket these days? Given it's a 40yr old machine now.
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@@JB-NZ Yes I run a Consew 3000 / 3001 on my Consew 206RB-5. It's a digital servo with needle positioner. Pretty great motor and you can sew stitch by stitch. Plus if you have the needle position sensor you can back tap the pedal to raise the needle. I set mine so the "up" position aligns the dots on the handwheel for perfect thread release without touching the handwheel. Here is a video on the digital servo... ruclips.net/video/JRy8V2uz43M/видео.html and a video on the needle position sensor... ruclips.net/video/zsMNdkr43_0/видео.html As far as the Juki LU-563 I find that wear items like bobbins and presser feet are readily available. I've had several and never really needed to replace anything. Maybe a needle bar on one machine, but that was available at the time. Easier to source than Pfaff parts for me, which are very hard to find now in the U.S. Thanks!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Those videos were perfect and answered all my questions, thank you! I hope this LU-563 I am interested in buying is all OK and not flogged out. It is no where near as pristine as your one, I can tell from the photos, so likely has had a lot more use and potentially misuse. I really hope nothing is too far gone. Thanks once again!
I’m learning so much from your videos. Really making me a better operator! Thanks!
So nice of you to take the time to post this nice comment. Made my day.
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I have the newer model of the LSZ-1, with the Worker Bee motor and it is an amazing machine! I would love a Juki, but it is not portable. This is why in my eyes the LSZ-1 Ultrafeed is a "better" more practical machine. Great video!
Yeah, the Sailrite in this video is an older one. I also have a Sailrite Leatherwork. Glad you like the Worker Bee
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Very "thoughtful" of you to reply. pun intended:) . For sure, I see quite a few improvements to the one in your video. I'm loving the machine. I did have my eye on a Consew or Juki, I just needed portability and power. Finding something that has Zig zag was a huge bonus too.
Great video! Love my Sailrite and its portability. You should check out the new 1/4 hp motor upgrade. Jukis are awesome machines (I want one) and my Bernina is like a member of the family. I have learned the limits of each and its good to have a small fleet for different capabilities. Each has its advantages.... Thanks for sharing⚓
Interesting you mention the 1/4hp Sailrite motor upgrade. That would be a good option for some people. I'm currently using the Sailrite Leatherwork for small projects, which has a 550w servo and speed reducer. That's another great way to get more power.
Thanks for the nice comment.
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I have it, This thing is a beast! 6 layers of leather, no problem. Bunched up Cordura plus web belt, no problem. Waxed canvas, easy day. I tested 5 layers of thick web belt and it still was easy. Next test is plywood🤣
Great comparison! Would be nice to see how these walking feet do on curved seams. I do patch sewing on leather jackets and vests so am combining dense embroidery stitching/twill fabric/adhesive/leather and lining. I really need a portable machine since my patch sewing is done at events and I am the only one loading the machine, so weight, portability, power, presser foot clearance and slow detailed work. Your comparison helped quite a bit! That Juki is a gem, am jealous!
Thanks for the nice comment. A cylinder arm might work well for the jacket arms and curved seams. Then it wouldn't be portable though. Maybe a portable walking foot machine for on site demos, and a stationary walking foot at home? Dare to dream, right?
Best of luck whatever you decide.
Thank you so much…EXACTLY the comparison I was looking for!
That's great Renee! Glad something in the video was helpful. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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Great comparison !
I never bought a tabled industrial walking foot because I want zigzag. I have always looked at the Sailrite, but you pointed it out- distance between feed dogs and walking foot is’t as good as I’d like. As to power, I suppose one could table the Sailrite and run it from a servo motor, but lose portability. If Sailrite made the Fabricator with zigzag I’d be jumping on it. Great video. My takeaway is that the Sailrite mini can do so much more than a domestic, but falls slightly short on the really heavy stuff.
I think that's a fair assessment. I also have the Sailrite Leatherwork which is a table mounted portable (no zigzag) with servo and small speed reducer. It's good for wallets, belts and small leather goods.
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If you are looking for a heavy duty walking foot zig zag machine, check out the Consew 146 RB.
Nice comparison. I had an lsz1 also have industrial machines and the difference in daily use is obvious. The lsz1 is a toy in comparison. Compared to a domestic machine though the lsz1 is an improvement. I ended up selling the lsz1 and was surprised how much it sold for in Australia on an ebay auction. It was enough for me to buy a singer 153 binder with change.
Thanks for your insight. Well said. It's always nice to hear from experienced machine operators.
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Thank you very much for your video...I am looking for a machine just like the Yuki but with the zig zag stitch!! Does it exist? Can you suggest one?? Thank you 😊😊😊
Some Consew 199 models have zigzag + walking foot. Otherwise the Sailrite with zigzag. Good luck!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker thank you ...🙏
Love these reviews! -- QUESTION -- My last issue is Zig Zag stiches.. I notice that most of these industrial machines do straight stitch only. The Sailrite does zig zag for sails I guess.. But it is unclear to me whether zig zag is a stronger or better stitch. Some articles say it is not. Any thoughts on that Is there any downside to the zig zag? Can you get modify this Juki or the Cansew 206RB to do a zig zag?
Good Questions! I don't feel that a zig zag stitch is stronger or better in leather and upholstery material, although it might help with canvas. It can be used as a cheap alternative to a serger when working with material prone to fraying, but there are better overlock stitches on most modern machines. You can't modify a 206 to do zigzag stitch. I really doubt you'll ever miss a zigzag stitch if your machine doesn't have it. Thanks
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ...really good answer.. We are honing in on the Juki 563 in excellent condition and will get the servo motor and try to configure like you did. We may go sailing and have some impression that we may repair our sails with it -- Sail makers use zig zag, although I read somewhere that a quality single stich is as good or better, and that two lines of single stitch would certainly be better. Just wish I knew the best answer to that but there are no good sources. You mentioned your servo is 500watts and I see online some are 750 watts etc., Assuming they all plug into the normal power socket in our house, how would you tell the difference between "just" 500 watts vs 750 or 1000 watts?
@@Coleen-Love You'll be fine with a 550w servo like this... amzn.to/3X6Rd3F I think they're easier to control than a digital servo, and have enough power for just about anything. If you plan to add a speed reducer, it will have gobs of power! Mine could sew through plywood.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ..perfect. Do you have a video of the Juki when you first got it and showing the coondition and the repairs etc that you did? Seems to now be in near perfect condition.
@@Coleen-Love Here is my main Juki video... ruclips.net/video/v2QdIKrK_xI/видео.html Juki vs. Pfaff video... ruclips.net/video/n8IWQKJH-vg/видео.html and a servo install video on a Juki (no speed reducer)... ruclips.net/video/Dx_rS9Fzvfo/видео.html Have fun!
This has helped me out. Thank you.
My pleasure Benjamin! Thanks for taking the time to say so.
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Thanks for uploading this…..
Very informative ⭐️
My pleasure Jay, hope some of the info was helpful for you.
Ok, I know this is kind of antithetical to it's intended function but is is it possible to fit a Sailrite in a treadle table, or is it too long?
Yes a Sailrite can be fitted in the table. A Sailrite Leatherwork for instance comes with a short table and mini speed reducer! Makes a pretty nice package. Thanks.
Exactly the comparison I needed. Sailrite does make a model expressly for leather. I think it is the Fabricator. My shop occasionally floods, so portability is a major factor. But that Juki......so very nice. Thank you for the excellent video.
Cool. Yes, Sailrite has the Fabricator but they also have the Leatherwork. It comes with a very compact table, servo motor and speed reducer. I have a Leatherwork and did a review on it, as well as a demo sewing leather barstools. You should check out those videos.
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@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I will. Thanks.
I've had my sailrite for a couple of years, and use it all the time. When building or repairing sails, a zig zag stitch is needed/preferred, to handle the stresses on the fabric. An industrial zig zag would cost about $4500 or more (Consew 146RB) so the sailrite is a bargain. That said, I am in process of ordering a Juki 1541 or 1508 for my canvas and leather work but am keeping the sailrite.
That will be a perfect pair of machines to use for those uses. Best.
I am in the opposite situation. I have a Juki 1541 but would like to be able to do zig zag so I am considering buying a Sailrite Ultrafeed.
I love it., nice job.
Thanks!
Great video. I own a latest version sail rite with worker bee and it's powerful and compact which is what I bought it for. I made a new bimini and enclosure on my boat with it for about $2500,(machine and materials) versus $12,000 quoted. I love having it on the boat with me. Sailrite video's taught me a lot which I am grateful for. if only at home for heavy duty, leather etc I would look for a Juki or comparable.
I totally agree. Saving money on upholstery jobs is what started me down this path. Glad you found a good machine for your application.
Thanks for this vid. I have been looking at both. most interest is the Sailrite, has zig-zag and its portable. Now they offer a new servo drive, heavy flywheel. makes alot more power and torque and quieter.
Each machine has a particular purpose.
True. I have a Sailrite Leatherwork too. It doesn't have zig zag though.
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Great video !! Thank you
Nice comparison. I have the sail rite. Yep noisy and limited capacity. What kind of servo motor is that I used one and it was weak.
I use the single knob analog servos sold under the Family, Rex, New Tech, or Enduro names... amzn.to/3zpzRlI
Would you be able to do a video with the sailrite worker B motor on the lsz? It's a servo motor. Great videos and thanks for your time.
I don't have access to the Worker B motor at the moment, but understand all new Sailrite portables will be equipped with that motor. They are more powerful and efficient than the small motors they used to come with, and should work great. Thanks!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ok great thanks for letting me know. Have a great day.
Will this machine do lightweight cargo nylon strap with 92 or heavier thread
Both machines will sew with 92 weight thread. The Juki can handle nylon strap as long as the total compressed thickness is around 7/16" or less. The problem with sewing nylon strap with the Sailrite is foot clearance. It's supposed to sew 5/16" of compressed thickness, but the foot will be dragging on the material, because it doesn't lift high enough for medium to heavy work.
Best to you.
That Juki was nice and quiet. I appreciate that as some one who lives in an apartment and sometimes sews at night. My old household Singer is noisy, my mother's old 1964 Singer is really loud! I also have a Husqvarna Viking Sapphire, and that one is quiet, but not at quiet as that Juki.
Thanks for weighing in. Interesting observations.
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I broke 2 Heavy Duty Singer 4452 machines in less than 2 months simply trying to sew hook and loop material to polyester strap material. The Sailrite LSZ-1 was not challenged at all to complete the same sewing. I used a 2 wheel dolly to get the LSZ-1 to my van from the UPS Store where I had it shipped to. I could carry the Singer 4452 Heavy Duty from the store to my van under my arm if I wanted to.
Yes I agree. The Sailrite is more heavy duty than most domestic or drop feed machines.
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I would like to see if it can see across piping
Both of my Sailrite machines really struggle with piping. There's not quite enough presser foot lift in my opinion. If you get 3 layers of upholstery fabric under the foot, the presser foot will start dragging. That's even if the machine is set to maximum lift.
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Nice video.
For materials such as Sunbrella, sail cover canvas or sail cloth (upholstery weight, v92) which models of Juki or Consew provide zigzag stitching, walking foot as well as straight stitching?
The Consew 146RB, some versions of the old Consew 199, and Sailrite are the only models I'm aware of that offer both walking foot and zig zag in one machine. Best to you.
Sailrite does make a sewing machine for leather work, the machine you were using is intended for Dacron, and Sunbrella, however you can use it for leather if needed or lighter materials as well.
Yes, I have the Sailrite Leatherwork as well. But honestly it is exactly the same as the LS-1 with a servo motor and small speed reducer. It doesn't have any more foot lift than the machine I was demonstrating on.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker its is limited in lift as the name may suggest, Sailrite sewing machines end up on sailboats with limited space. We use them for every, including helping the neighbor in the marina.
If space isn't an issue a bigger machine makes the most sense.
Sailrite now produces a more powerful motor also.to make things a little easier.
I did enjoy your video, insightful!
Guess it comes down to, yes price and that life lesson: it’s usually better to be over powered than under powered. Space can just be the compromise. Love Sailrite for what it is. Love the JUZKI sound of relaxed power-punch. Wow. Great demo.
I agree with your comments. Both can be good machines in the right setting.
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Read your name as "gay predator". Still made sense
@@jamesstephenson2346 Well, I can read and comprehend. Thanks for the chuckle, all that enlightenment over a sewing machine. Hugs.
Thanks for sharing. Can you tell me what model is the Juki? It looks better and easier to sew.
I could not find what model is for the Juki.
The Juki is an LU-563. Similar to an LU-562 or Consew 226.
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Aqui no Brasil onde encontrar essas maquinas? Obrigado
Sailrite is the only source I know of. The Juki 563 is no longer made. Best to you.
Is the Juki that was compared a zig zag machine? I’m looking for a really good industrial zigzag
No the Juki LU-563 isn't a zig zag. Consew 199 is one option if you need a heavy duty walking foot that also has zig zag. Best to you.
Great video makes setup a breeze.
Thank you for your great video. I will like to know if I can use light fabric on these machines. I’m looking for a heavy duty sewing machine (with zig zag and straight stitch) that handles light to heavy weight fabrics as well as leather, canvas etc. Thank you.
Hi Maria,
You can sew medium weight cotton fabric with the Sailrite. It wouldn't sew silk very well.
Good luck!
I was watching a Sailrite video today and they said when you sew a corner, you should bury the needle and then bring it up 1/8th of an inch, raise presser foot, pivot, lower presser foot and then continue sewing. That way you can ensure the corner stitch will be complete.
Yes that is correct. That's the best technique when you need to sew a square corner.
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I watched that impressive performance, also 💪🏽
I would like to see you compare this machine to the Sailrite Fabricator which is an Industrial machine. I thought this was not a good comparison.
It's a good comparison for someone considering these two machines. It wasn't meant to be a fair comparison, just an honest look at the capabilities of two different sewing machines. The fabricator falls between the capabilities of the portable machines and the LU-563. It will sew 5/16" thick material, vinyl or leather.
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I have an old 132K6 and it will sew anything from 2 layers of calico (very nicely) to 6mm plywood + carpet and vinyl. I can sew the material straight the door panel on the older cars. It is so old it doesn't have reverse and they still make the same machine today with reverse being the only difference. I am now looking at a Sailrite due to portability and your video has helped and also created some questions. Are the newer ones a little smoother sounding? Anyone had experience with a newer model with the new motor? I can pretty much use any machine and am still wondering if the Sailrite will sew Biminis and Dodgers with ease or is it asking a bit much?
I also have a Sailrite Leatherwork with servo and small speed reducer. It sounds about the same as the blue one. It will sew a little more than a domestic machine, but nothing compared to a full sized industrial machine. It has plenty of power with the Workhorse servo, but the foot only lifts 5/16" high. This means it starts dragging on your work when sewing 4 layers. My projects have as many as 8 layers when sewing straps into seams. Good luck with your decision!
Does the Juki have reverse? I have a Thompson like that Sailrite but mine is considerably quieter.
Yes, the Juki LU-563 has a large paddle style reverse lever. The similar LU-562 also has reverse. One common machine that doesn't have reverse is a Consew 225.
Good luck with it!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Do you think the Sailrite would do better on that piping piece if it had a servo motor, or was that mostly about the feed dogs and foot not being able to walk over that much thickness? I have been debating on either upgrading my Thompson with a monster wheel and servo motor, or just going all-in on a bigger industrial machine like the Juki.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 the Sailrite reaches a hard limit at about 5/16" thickness. It just won't walk over anything thicker. A monster wheel or a servo upgrade wouldn't help the issue in this case. Although a servo and/or a speed reducer do a lot to improve the performance of a full size industrial machine.
Good luck with it.
I just put a consew and a juki in flight cases,,
Case is for amplifiers,
,a 6 unit. 22"x11x 32 tall. Has a lid at each end. Built head into lid. Throttle cable for motor ( servo), mounted on head. Had a barracuda/ sailrite, awesome junk. Hook timing slipped on a blue jeans. Seam..
Set it,sold, it....best boat/ catamaran. machine a juki1508, or similar consew/ Seiko..
135needles and v207 threads.
I've had a Sailrite LSZ1 (no monster wheel) for about 10 years and I do my own Sunbrella console covers, seat covers, motor covers, etc. I've been fighting with this machine it seems like since day 1. The latest problem is that it keeps fraying thread at the needle and I can't figure out what the problem is. I usually hear a clank and then I look and the thread is frayed and sometimes it is frayed without the clank. Any idea what might be causing this issue? It usually happens when I am going through several layers of sunbrella, I don't see any barbs anywhere that could be cutting the thread. I'm about to move on from this machine to a Juki or Consew I think.
My suggestion is to load the machine with two different colors of thread. That way you can tell if it's the upper or lower thread shredding. Replace the needle with the correct system and size for the thread you're using (I recommend using a 69 weight thread and size 18 needle for testing). If the upper thread is shredding, it may be that your needle is too small, thread is too small or poor quality thread (I've had dreadful luck with outdoor Sunbrella type thread). Also, make sure that you thread the machine through all guides, especially the needle bar thread guide, or last guide before the needle. If the lower thread is shredding, it can be a hook timing or spacing issue. Good luck!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Thank you Willy for the tips, I will give them a try! I was using V92 thread from sailrite and a #20 needle. Sailrite has great customer service but even after talking with them I was never able to resolve the issue.
I rather wish i had come across this comparison before today, as it may have impacted my overall decision. I ended up purchasing a Sailrite straight stitch machine last year after hemming and hawing between a used industrial and the SR.
I'm not upset with the Sailrite. The newer versions of machine appear to have addressed some of the clearance issues you demonstrated in this video, and getting 4 layers under a new machine is not as difficult as you showed. I think it comes down to the mechanical lift was adjusted to capture some of the manual extra you showed near the end of the video.
The challenge is in doing some DIY upholstery projects for automotive, adding a backing foam now takes up all of the increased clearance in the new machine and I return to having similar frustrations overall. I think if it was anything more than a hobby level endeavor, i'd be going back to the bowl of fruit and sampling something different.
I remain curious how the Sailrite fabricator machine compares to the likes of newer Consew and Juki machines. It seems the real quality machines for upholstery have all cheapened over the past decade and those of us shopping now are faced with the conundrum of what level of frustration we want to deal with. There don't seem to be many slow speed truly high quality options buying new.
Yeah I hear you. I have the Sailrite Leatherwork as well, and it has the same clearance issue as the old ones. If you sew more than two layers of 3oz leather, the foot drags on the work. Fabricator will have normal industrial sewing capability of 3/8" compressed thickness. Best of luck.
Nice indepth comparison, thanks. What servo motor and reduction gearbox did you install? Im looking for a good drive train for my pfaff 1445 :) thank you
This is the servo I most often use... amzn.to/3Lp5PFF and the box style speed reducer is from Toledo Sewing / Cowboy Bob... www.tolindsewmach.com/
Good luck getting everything set up.
Thanks very much!
That was a great and informative video!! I just bought a used Reliable Barracuda 200zw. I’m a quilter who’s got into bag making using vinyl with fabric and interfacing. I have not used it yet but am about to try it out. The only thing I can see immediately that I’m not too thrilled about is the foot that surrounds is gigantic. Making bags I won’t be using more than 1/2” seam allowance and I can see that foot getting in my way. Any idea if a smaller surrounding foot is even available? TYFS!!!
Thanks Angela. I'm not sure about the Barracuda, I've only had my hands on it once. The Sailrite does offer an alternate foot for leather/ thin material. But I'm not sure that it's any smaller. It supposedly is smoother on the bottom so it won't mark up leather.
Good luck with your machine!
Sailrite feet fit the reliable
Hello, I sew bags with light fabrics combined with some vinyl. I would like to buy a JUKI with a walking foot. Which one would you recommend?
This video just nailed it. You are a natural teacher, very clear and specific. Thank you very much.
Hi Sandra, thanks for your nice comments. For sewing light fabric with vinyl, you might be able to get away with a simple drop feed machine like a DDL 8700. If you have multiple layers of vinyl, or think you might want to do leather or heavier upholstery weight fabric, then a walking foot is recommended. I favor the old Juki LU-563 with huge U style bobbin, but the LU-562 is almost identical but with a small G style bobbin. Any of the new Juki walking foot machines are highly capable. The main decisions you are making are do you prefer a top loading bobbin or a side loading bobbin? Is a large M style bobbin important to you? Or is a small G bobbin adequate?
Best of luck picking a great machine!
Sailrite would be perfect for what you want to do.
@@paralogregt Thank you very much, I really appreciate your advise. Good night and stay safe.
I would recommend the Juki 1541. You can also buy the sailrite leather foot they use on their Fabricator and it fits the juki. It has a smooth foot so it won't damage the vinyl. I do recommend using a hump jumper or scrap piece of vinyl to protect the vinyl when going UP or DOWN from a hump. If not, the presser foot will eat your vinyl and you will be very sad. Lot's of bagmakers on YT use the 1181 so I think you can also consider that one. But if you ever decide to use leather, you should go for the 1541.
Do you think one can buy the Chinese version of the Sailrite and have someone do the upgrades in the UK to get it to work like the Sailrite. I simply can justify spending that sort of crazy money. I found the Juki DU-1181N but don't know if this is the equivalent to your JUKI LU563
The 1181 is a double feed walking foot, but still pretty good. It would sew thicker material that a portable Sailrite. Good luck finding the perfect machine.
how are you controlling the foot and reverse hand free on the juki?
I use the regular hand control for the Juki. I've used Consews with foot pedal reverse, attached to the machine by a chain. There's really no good attachment point for a chain on this Juki.
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Now it does increase the cost but you can purchase a 550w servo motor with speed reducer for the Ultrafeed from Sailrite. It doesn't come with it stock though and you are pretty much committing to it no longer being a portable machine. So the Sailrite machine can have similar power.
It really comes down to price, how loud it is, zig-zag stitch capability, how portable it is, and clearance under the presser foot.
Hi Joseph. Well said. Yes, for instance you can buy the Sailrite Leather machine which comes with a mini table, servo and small speed reducer. It should be a nice package for a lot of crafters.
That Sailrite servo retains the portability of the machine, as it replaces the stock motor.
If you still want the portability, get the WorkerB servo motor. It turn the portable LSZ1 into another workhorse! Pun intended. 😀
Great post! Thank you👍
Thanks so much! I appreciate the positive comment.
That old Sail Rite sure does look like my Baracuda 200ZW. This is a great video.
Thanks!
I'm told they are almost identical besides the price.
I saw a video on YT that talked about Thompson being a name in Sail Wright's family history.
@@dannyl2598 Yes, I think they're similar. Although Sailrite has made some improvements in terms of reliability, and making parts more widely available.
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@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Yeah, big price.
Does the portable machine have all metal gears? Just wondering as I cannot find any details to that anywhere.
All metal internal parts on the current Sailrite portables.
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I have a Sailrite but sure wish I had a Juki nice piece of precision
You have an LSZ-1?
Did you use the piping foot when you attempted to sew the piping on the Sailrite? I’ve not had any issues with variation using it so it’s odd that you did.
Yes, I used the piping foot. That's what comes standard with Sailrite portables. Material thickness is what makes the difference. If you run out of clearance, say with 4 layers of upholstery fabric and 5/32" piping, it won't sew well. Thanks.
Do they sell the Sailrite in Australia
That's a great question. I was under the impression that they ship worldwide, but a query to Sailrite might be best. Sailrite.com is how I get in touch with them. Very nice folks. Best of luck!
No way I had both a Sailrite and an industrial Juki and Consews. You can't compare. The sailrite always broke or got out of timing when it came time for automotive upholstery. We ended up selling them on eBay and stuck to the tried and true machines.
I can and did compare them! LOL but I agree with your point. Different class of machine for sure.
I have seen some of the aggressive feet leave marks on the leather, do you use a smooth pressure foot or the knurled ones that Sailrite offers?
I use the lightly knurled feet from Sailrite. They don't mark even delicate veg tanned leather. The traditional deep-tooth feet will likely leave scuff marks.
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I have a Reliable Barracuda. I'm pretty sure it's the same machine as the LZ1. I think Sailrite just takes the basic machine and does a lot of modifications and improvements to it. I don't think they build them from scratch. I have noticed that the Sailrite LZ presser foot lifts a lot more than mine. I'd like to see how to adjust the walking foot and the presser foot for proper height and tension. Also, your Juki is a compound walking foot, where the needle actually pulls the fabric. It's far superior to the regular walking foot. My Reliable tends to slip with certain materials. But for the money, it's hard to beat.
There's an adjustment under the top cover for foot steppage height. Most machines have something like it, but the adjustment is counterintuitive. You make the adjustment backwards compared to any other walking foot. It still doesn't lift as high as I'd like.
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If you haven’t figured it out yet, Sailrite has a couple of utube videos that gave me enough info to figure it out on the Barracuda. Just go slow, ignore the measurements quoted and aim instead to get the clearances specified in the Barracuda sales lit.
thank you
Sailrite also sells a machine with Worker B motor and their Fabricator comes with a Servo motor.
Yes that's true. I also have a Leatherwork with a mini table and workhorse servo.
How does the lubrication of this laptop work?
The Sailrite is a manual lube machine, just like the Juki. A drop of sewing machine oil at the oil points every few bobbins is all it takes.
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Is there a practical difference in the types of walking foot you show here? The needle feed (triple feed?) machine seems more efficient, like the Sailrite Fabricator.
Nice to see the older style Sailrite, it's about the same as the currently marketed "clones", like the REX, Reliable, etc...
Also, the outer foot on the Sailrite can always be changed to a deeper cord, and Sailrite has several different styles of feet. The other thing is that the Sailrite foot lift is adjustable up to about 1/2 inch. Same with the clones.
The triple feed has the needle buried as the material is advanced. Just one more element working in unison to evenly feed the material.
Every Sailrite portable I've sewn on maxed out at about 5/16 sewing capacity. Even with the walking foot steppage adjusted to maximum.
You're right the Fabricator is a triple feed machine. It will more reliably do 3/8" compressed thickness.
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My Sailrite LSZ-1 is in a table with a Servo motor.
I bet that's a nice setup. Sounds great.
Well done! Ty
Thanks for checking out the video.
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What is the bobbin size?
"A" style bobbins for the Sailrite, and ultra large "U" style bobbins for the Juki LU-563. Best to you.
Very fair review .
Thanks for commenting. I appreciate you checking out the video.
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Thanks this is really helpful. Might I be able to ask the HP/Watt/Amp of the Sailrite motor? Thanks again
The Sailrite Workhorse servo that comes on the Leatherwork machine and the Fabricator is 550w or about 3/4 hp.
Can a walking foot be used on a ddi8700?
Hi Sharon, with industrial walking foot machines it's a little different than home machines. Industrial machines come as a walking foot or just a basic drop feed machine. The DDL 8700 is not a walking foot. You need something like a LU-562, LU-563, Consew 206rb, Consew 226 or similar. Home sewing machines have add-on walking foot attachments, but they won't really be good for leather.
Best of luck!
what is comparable with a zig zag option to the sailrite? Make ? Model?
Hi Michael, there are a few other portable zigzag walking foot machines like Thompson, Rex, and Consew, but none I'd recommend. I think if you need a walking foot with Zigzag feature, the LSZ-1 would be your best option. I'm reviewing the Leatherwork machine now, so stay tuned to the channel if your interested in that machine package.
Cheers
I like the idea of the sailrite when the power goes out I can keep on sewing and they do have a larger piping foot and they have beautiful stitching. I did not like how you made sailrite stitching closer together they do have a further apart stitching
That's great if they do have a larger piping foot, because the one that comes with the machine is too small for 5/32" piping. My Leatherwork came with the same small cording foot. I agree that stitch length should be longer for piping. On newer Sailrite machines, changing stitch length is really awkward because you have to adjust two knobs. One sets forward stitch length and one sets backwards stitch length. On full size industrial machines, that's all automatic. Ultimately, each user knows what's most important to them. Sounds like you're set on the Sailrite benefits, so I say go for it!