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Mini Walking Foot Vs Industrial Walking Foot Sewing Machine Sailrite and Juki Compared
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- Sailrite, Sail Rite Sailright, sewing machine, walking foot, juki, industrial sewing, commercial sew sews sewing. Sewing machine comparison walking foot machine. Can a Mini Walking Foot sewing machine keep up with a full-size industrial walking foot? Watch as Willie Sandry the Thoughtful Upholsterer puts a Sailrite LSZ-1 Ultrafeed and a Juki LU-563 through their paces. Both are walking foot industrial / commercial sewing machines, but with major differences like clearance under the presser foot and vastly different motor size... how do they compare? Can a Sailrite Ultra feed sew leather, and if so, how many layers of leather? What would be the best machine for heavy upholstery and leather upholstery applications? Your domestic machine sews light fabric, but you need a walking foot machine to sew heavy upholstery weight material, vinyl, and leather. But which walking foot machine is right for you? Watch to learn all about it!
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Awesome great info my sewing has always been with a old singer that I took out of its comfort zone way to many times RIP. I will soon be buying a walking foot and this video was the best. Thank you
Thanks for commenting. Glad some of the info was helpful in your decision making.
I’m learning so much from your videos. Really making me a better operator! Thanks!
So nice of you to take the time to post this nice comment. Made my day.
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Very helpful! The information and demos were terrific and will help me make a much better purchase of a walking foot machine
That's great Adam. Best of luck finding the right machine for you!
I'm new to the Sailrite, I like how you repeated a number of times how you go to top dead center then just past before you raise the
presser foot - it just might sink into my brain
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Ha ha, nice.
What a fine video. Well done clear camera work and intelligent informative commentary. A rare combination. Thank you.
Wow! Thanks.
Very informative video. Enjoyed watching the difference between the machines. Sailrite seems to be loud and rough sounding. The Juki was really quiet and honestly, I was shocked at the difference between the two on how they sounded. Looking at both and what each can perform, I was quite impressed with the Juki.
Hi Donna! I still have a Juki LU-563 to this day. I see no need to replace it, and really enjoy that extra large U style bobbin.
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That was a good presentation and evaluation of the Sailrite and it's limitations.
Thanks for checking it out. Best to you.
Very nice comparison. I have the initial basic Sailrite straight stitch bought before the zig zag option was even offered and understand it's shortfalls ..but it is truly portable so you can take it to the dock or even on board. I have used it to sew/replace clear windows in Sunbrella and make Sunbrella curtains and cushion covers and such for our 36 ft Topaz Sportfisher .. it did great. If I was doing upholstery a lot I would love a machine like your Juki. Before I got the Sailrite, I replaced the cushion covers on the dinette and V birth (with piping) using my old 90's Janome Memory Craft work horse which remains strong. Hardest part was handling the large sections of heavy upholstery fabric
That's cool the Janome could handle piping. It's fun to try out different machines and see where they excel.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker That Janome Memory Craft was my first machine embroidery machine. I have a true love of the older classic machines and have quite a few.
I came across a cell rate SZ - one a while back, and I absolutely love it. I use it to repair sails, webbing, Fabric it can handle just about anything. I also installed a worker B motor on mine.
Glad the Sailrite is working well for you.
Your videos are great. I can tell you put a lot of effort into them and it shows.
Thanks Jay, such a kind thing to say!
I had wondered about the Juki. I heard a lot of good but vague comments. Thanks for this!
Thanks Delores, you might like this video too... ruclips.net/video/v2QdIKrK_xI/видео.html
Best to you.
Thank you so much…EXACTLY the comparison I was looking for!
That's great Renee! Glad something in the video was helpful. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
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What a wonderful review on both products. Thank you for explaining in detail. You helped me so much to make up my mind.
Hey thanks for checking out the video. Happy sewing.
What are you going with?
@@beaconbus I use Juki and Consew mostly.
A very good and objective comparison. Thanks.
Thanks mate, appreciate the nice comment.
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Thank you Willy .
Nice video . The little LSZ has its limitations and a place in many of small home shops and boats . For a person with more space and a greater workload , the larger units are the way to go .
Very true. Well said!
Great comparison! Would be nice to see how these walking feet do on curved seams. I do patch sewing on leather jackets and vests so am combining dense embroidery stitching/twill fabric/adhesive/leather and lining. I really need a portable machine since my patch sewing is done at events and I am the only one loading the machine, so weight, portability, power, presser foot clearance and slow detailed work. Your comparison helped quite a bit! That Juki is a gem, am jealous!
Thanks for the nice comment. A cylinder arm might work well for the jacket arms and curved seams. Then it wouldn't be portable though. Maybe a portable walking foot machine for on site demos, and a stationary walking foot at home? Dare to dream, right?
Best of luck whatever you decide.
Exactly the comparison I needed. Sailrite does make a model expressly for leather. I think it is the Fabricator. My shop occasionally floods, so portability is a major factor. But that Juki......so very nice. Thank you for the excellent video.
Cool. Yes, Sailrite has the Fabricator but they also have the Leatherwork. It comes with a very compact table, servo motor and speed reducer. I have a Leatherwork and did a review on it, as well as a demo sewing leather barstools. You should check out those videos.
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@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I will. Thanks.
You are a wealth of knowledge and information!! Thank you!!
Wow thanks for the kind words Donna! Just talking about the things I enjoy doing. Best to you.
Great comparison !
Thanks for uploading this…..
Very informative ⭐️
My pleasure Jay, hope some of the info was helpful for you.
Very impressive comparison! I think my concern would be the struggle with the presser foot and the noise made by the Sailrite. The Juki was a really nice machine! Thank you
Hey Rebecca, thanks for watching and thanks for the nice comment.
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I have thus exact model of Sailrite and when I watched him sew the noise of the machine was the first thing I noticed. There seems to be something wrong with his machine because mine doesn’t have that loud motor noise nor does it make a clicking sound with each stitch. That’s an issue as well as the fact that he’s not comparing machines with the same features.
Thank you for sharing this valuable information. I sew as well and like your channel Blessings Viewing from the French island St Martin in the Caribbean.
Love seeing the comparison. I didnt realise the actual difference in size. I was going to purchase a Sailrite but was too expensive to import where i live. For the same price I got a brand new Typical GC0323 walking foot, in a table with servo motor. Not quite sure if the Typical is as heavy duty as your Juki but I do believe it is a much better machine the the Sailrite I was going to buy
Good luck with your decision. At any rate, a walking foot is great to have.
Yeah I think the Sailrite machines are good for sails and upholstery and they do a great job with marketing and accessories on their site, but I think the machines are overrated. I have an old Thompson on which their Ultrafeed is based on and it's a tough version of a home machine basically which can get through 5/8" of soft leather in a pinch. I'm thinking about getting a Juki or Consew
I've watched several of these videos and am suprised no one has used a thread conditioner of some kind, which would improve the sail rites performance, also no one mentions the knee lift...if you are making cushions a knee lift is must have. I have a sail right and a Singer industrial walking foot, that's forty years old and still sews like a dream! I refer to the sail rite as my on site machine, and he trusty Singer as my best friend. Don't forget needle type an size isn't mentioned and can and will make a big difference in the machines performance.
Thanks and I agree with your comments. The main limitation with the Sailrite is the presser foot doesn't lift high enough. I don't think thread wax would help with that issue, but it might if someone was having trouble with punching power.
I love my knee lift too! Best way to free up your hands.
Great comment.
Hi what model you use please upholstery wise
What kind of Singer do you have?
Thanks for this very informative comparison. Few things i noticed in this video. The juki moves the whole fabric with the needle down which i would be a strong and more even way to move several materials vs the Sailrite which only grips the top and bottom of the fabric and moves it. Also the Juki sounds like a well tuned mechanical symphony while the Sailrite sounds like its grinding on rough stones and wants to croak.
You bet. Thanks for checking out the video.
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Sailrite has all metal internal components, built to be self-serviced.
Juki is the luxury model, Sailrite is bare bones built durable.
I tested the Sailrite. Bought a Juki DU-1181n walking foot. The LU-563 is no longer available, and used industrials are hard to find. I make handbags, including 3-4 oz leather. Many bagmakers sell their Sailrite LSZ-1 and buy 'full size' industrials because the presser foot lift height is simply inadequate.
Thanks for your insight. Sounds like you made the best decision based on your needs.
Thanks!
Times a million about the foot lift height being too little.
The juki is a compound machine it's kinda in a different league compared to the sailrite, top and bottom feed however is very effective for thinner mid weight materials/smaller thread and needle size
The combo of the 2 is priceless, zigzag needle left or right for zippers and tight spaces, compound for everything else going trough 2 to multiple layers
Yeah they both perform well for what they're designed to do. Walking foot plus zig zag is a cool and rare feature.
This is a great video. Thanks for making it.
Thank you!
I made five sails for my 1957 28 foot steel sloop with the sailrite and only for that Iook at her with gratitude. Now I’m looking for an industrial machine and, surprisingly, it’s hard, if not impossible, find a walking foot zigzag vintage one. I will opt for a Pfaff 145: easiest to find in my region. You make great videos!
Thanks! Good luck with the machine search.
Check out the Consew 146 RB. This is a walking foot zig zag machine. RB = reverse, large bobbin.
Great comparaison videos with nice tips ! Your Juki is so clean and sew really nicely. I got the exact same machine/servo/speed reducer. Those old japan made machine are so high quality. Thanks for sharing!!
I enjoy both machines for what they do. The Juki can handle thicker leather, but the Sailrite is a zigzag walking foot!
This has helped me out. Thank you.
My pleasure Benjamin! Thanks for taking the time to say so.
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Great video !! Thank you
thank you
Cool shirt. Thanks for the videos!
Thanks! Love that Limbert furniture.
Guess it comes down to, yes price and that life lesson: it’s usually better to be over powered than under powered. Space can just be the compromise. Love Sailrite for what it is. Love the JUZKI sound of relaxed power-punch. Wow. Great demo.
I agree with your comments. Both can be good machines in the right setting.
Thanks!
Read your name as "gay predator". Still made sense
@@jamesstephenson2346 Well, I can read and comprehend. Thanks for the chuckle, all that enlightenment over a sewing machine. Hugs.
I've had my sailrite for a couple of years, and use it all the time. When building or repairing sails, a zig zag stitch is needed/preferred, to handle the stresses on the fabric. An industrial zig zag would cost about $4500 or more (Consew 146RB) so the sailrite is a bargain. That said, I am in process of ordering a Juki 1541 or 1508 for my canvas and leather work but am keeping the sailrite.
That will be a perfect pair of machines to use for those uses. Best.
Yeah, the Juki is nice. I'm getting into Sailrite too, and they're both good as long as you stay within the capabilities of the machine.
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I have a Sailrite but sure wish I had a Juki nice piece of precision
You have an LSZ-1?
Great video! Love my Sailrite and its portability. You should check out the new 1/4 hp motor upgrade. Jukis are awesome machines (I want one) and my Bernina is like a member of the family. I have learned the limits of each and its good to have a small fleet for different capabilities. Each has its advantages.... Thanks for sharing⚓
Interesting you mention the 1/4hp Sailrite motor upgrade. That would be a good option for some people. I'm currently using the Sailrite Leatherwork for small projects, which has a 550w servo and speed reducer. That's another great way to get more power.
Thanks for the nice comment.
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I have it, This thing is a beast! 6 layers of leather, no problem. Bunched up Cordura plus web belt, no problem. Waxed canvas, easy day. I tested 5 layers of thick web belt and it still was easy. Next test is plywood🤣
Great video makes setup a breeze.
Nice comparison. I had an lsz1 also have industrial machines and the difference in daily use is obvious. The lsz1 is a toy in comparison. Compared to a domestic machine though the lsz1 is an improvement. I ended up selling the lsz1 and was surprised how much it sold for in Australia on an ebay auction. It was enough for me to buy a singer 153 binder with change.
Thanks for your insight. Well said. It's always nice to hear from experienced machine operators.
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That Juki was nice and quiet. I appreciate that as some one who lives in an apartment and sometimes sews at night. My old household Singer is noisy, my mother's old 1964 Singer is really loud! I also have a Husqvarna Viking Sapphire, and that one is quiet, but not at quiet as that Juki.
Thanks for weighing in. Interesting observations.
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Looks just like my Thompson mini walking foot I sew veg tan leather with mine all the time but I also have a cobra class 4 and some others but the Thompson has always been a really good machine it will sew up to 3/8” veg tan all day
Glad you like your Thompson machine. The Sailrite won't quite do 3/8". Maybe 5/16", but the presser foot will still drag on the top layer a bit.
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Very fair review .
Thanks for commenting. I appreciate you checking out the video.
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I have the newer model of the LSZ-1, with the Worker Bee motor and it is an amazing machine! I would love a Juki, but it is not portable. This is why in my eyes the LSZ-1 Ultrafeed is a "better" more practical machine. Great video!
Yeah, the Sailrite in this video is an older one. I also have a Sailrite Leatherwork. Glad you like the Worker Bee
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Very "thoughtful" of you to reply. pun intended:) . For sure, I see quite a few improvements to the one in your video. I'm loving the machine. I did have my eye on a Consew or Juki, I just needed portability and power. Finding something that has Zig zag was a huge bonus too.
I love it., nice job.
Thanks!
Oh man you read my mind. I have been struggling to find a sewing machine that fits my living space and what I want to do with it which is mostly leather.
Tough decision.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I'm looking at this one machine (Deluxe Super TuffSew) the guy said it's a portable walking foot industrial sewing machine.... any thoughts? recommendations? I also have a Consew Upholstery machine model CP206RL that the guys say is portable and can be with a table.
@@dulceacosta2557 It's a lightweight portable walking foot like the Sailrite or Consew. It won't have the lift capacity or power of a Consew, Juki, or Pfaff but for 2 layers of canvas or vinyl they are ok. I wouldn't sew much leather with it.
I love that Juki. It's quieter than my Bernina.
Well done! Ty
Thanks for checking out the video.
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I never bought a tabled industrial walking foot because I want zigzag. I have always looked at the Sailrite, but you pointed it out- distance between feed dogs and walking foot is’t as good as I’d like. As to power, I suppose one could table the Sailrite and run it from a servo motor, but lose portability. If Sailrite made the Fabricator with zigzag I’d be jumping on it. Great video. My takeaway is that the Sailrite mini can do so much more than a domestic, but falls slightly short on the really heavy stuff.
I think that's a fair assessment. I also have the Sailrite Leatherwork which is a table mounted portable (no zigzag) with servo and small speed reducer. It's good for wallets, belts and small leather goods.
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If you are looking for a heavy duty walking foot zig zag machine, check out the Consew 146 RB.
That old Sail Rite sure does look like my Baracuda 200ZW. This is a great video.
Thanks!
I'm told they are almost identical besides the price.
I saw a video on YT that talked about Thompson being a name in Sail Wright's family history.
@@dannyl2598 Yes, I think they're similar. Although Sailrite has made some improvements in terms of reliability, and making parts more widely available.
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@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Yeah, big price.
That was a great and informative video!! I just bought a used Reliable Barracuda 200zw. I’m a quilter who’s got into bag making using vinyl with fabric and interfacing. I have not used it yet but am about to try it out. The only thing I can see immediately that I’m not too thrilled about is the foot that surrounds is gigantic. Making bags I won’t be using more than 1/2” seam allowance and I can see that foot getting in my way. Any idea if a smaller surrounding foot is even available? TYFS!!!
Thanks Angela. I'm not sure about the Barracuda, I've only had my hands on it once. The Sailrite does offer an alternate foot for leather/ thin material. But I'm not sure that it's any smaller. It supposedly is smoother on the bottom so it won't mark up leather.
Good luck with your machine!
Sailrite feet fit the reliable
Thank you for your great video. I will like to know if I can use light fabric on these machines. I’m looking for a heavy duty sewing machine (with zig zag and straight stitch) that handles light to heavy weight fabrics as well as leather, canvas etc. Thank you.
Hi Maria,
You can sew medium weight cotton fabric with the Sailrite. It wouldn't sew silk very well.
Good luck!
I broke 2 Heavy Duty Singer 4452 machines in less than 2 months simply trying to sew hook and loop material to polyester strap material. The Sailrite LSZ-1 was not challenged at all to complete the same sewing. I used a 2 wheel dolly to get the LSZ-1 to my van from the UPS Store where I had it shipped to. I could carry the Singer 4452 Heavy Duty from the store to my van under my arm if I wanted to.
Yes I agree. The Sailrite is more heavy duty than most domestic or drop feed machines.
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I was watching a Sailrite video today and they said when you sew a corner, you should bury the needle and then bring it up 1/8th of an inch, raise presser foot, pivot, lower presser foot and then continue sewing. That way you can ensure the corner stitch will be complete.
Yes that is correct. That's the best technique when you need to sew a square corner.
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I watched that impressive performance, also 💪🏽
One of the best comparison videos I've yet to see. Unfortunately, many Sailrite fans might not be happy with the results, but this video clearly shows the truth. I'm now over trying a portable machine and will save up for an industrial.
Also, are the Consew machines as quiet as that Juki? That thing sounds fabulous! What about powering off 110v? I'm mainly interested in vinyl for motorcycle seats, but will probably venture into other bike gear like wallets, handlebar/windshield pouches, and tank bibs. All for personal use and maybe a few friends. Any tips on that and locating a good budget/used machine will help.
Thanks!
The old Consews like the 226 and 206rb-1 and 2 are as quiet as my Juki. The Consew 206rb-5 makes more of a clackety-clack to my ears. Of course you have to have a servo motor for a really quiet machine!
Never knew they had room under that plate for a “U” bobbin, mine in Juki and Singer (all the same frame/body) can use only “M” bobbins.
M is still a really good bobbin size! The G style bobbin is a little small on the Consew 226 and Juki LU-562, but I never mind sewing with an M style bobbin. Best to you.
Hello, I sew bags with light fabrics combined with some vinyl. I would like to buy a JUKI with a walking foot. Which one would you recommend?
This video just nailed it. You are a natural teacher, very clear and specific. Thank you very much.
Hi Sandra, thanks for your nice comments. For sewing light fabric with vinyl, you might be able to get away with a simple drop feed machine like a DDL 8700. If you have multiple layers of vinyl, or think you might want to do leather or heavier upholstery weight fabric, then a walking foot is recommended. I favor the old Juki LU-563 with huge U style bobbin, but the LU-562 is almost identical but with a small G style bobbin. Any of the new Juki walking foot machines are highly capable. The main decisions you are making are do you prefer a top loading bobbin or a side loading bobbin? Is a large M style bobbin important to you? Or is a small G bobbin adequate?
Best of luck picking a great machine!
Sailrite would be perfect for what you want to do.
@@paralogregt Thank you very much, I really appreciate your advise. Good night and stay safe.
I would recommend the Juki 1541. You can also buy the sailrite leather foot they use on their Fabricator and it fits the juki. It has a smooth foot so it won't damage the vinyl. I do recommend using a hump jumper or scrap piece of vinyl to protect the vinyl when going UP or DOWN from a hump. If not, the presser foot will eat your vinyl and you will be very sad. Lot's of bagmakers on YT use the 1181 so I think you can also consider that one. But if you ever decide to use leather, you should go for the 1541.
Nice video.
For materials such as Sunbrella, sail cover canvas or sail cloth (upholstery weight, v92) which models of Juki or Consew provide zigzag stitching, walking foot as well as straight stitching?
The Consew 146RB, some versions of the old Consew 199, and Sailrite are the only models I'm aware of that offer both walking foot and zig zag in one machine. Best to you.
Sailrite does make a sewing machine for leather work, the machine you were using is intended for Dacron, and Sunbrella, however you can use it for leather if needed or lighter materials as well.
Yes, I have the Sailrite Leatherwork as well. But honestly it is exactly the same as the LS-1 with a servo motor and small speed reducer. It doesn't have any more foot lift than the machine I was demonstrating on.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker its is limited in lift as the name may suggest, Sailrite sewing machines end up on sailboats with limited space. We use them for every, including helping the neighbor in the marina.
If space isn't an issue a bigger machine makes the most sense.
Sailrite now produces a more powerful motor also.to make things a little easier.
I did enjoy your video, insightful!
Nice indepth comparison, thanks. What servo motor and reduction gearbox did you install? Im looking for a good drive train for my pfaff 1445 :) thank you
This is the servo I most often use... amzn.to/3Lp5PFF and the box style speed reducer is from Toledo Sewing / Cowboy Bob... www.tolindsewmach.com/
Good luck getting everything set up.
I just put a consew and a juki in flight cases,,
Case is for amplifiers,
,a 6 unit. 22"x11x 32 tall. Has a lid at each end. Built head into lid. Throttle cable for motor ( servo), mounted on head. Had a barracuda/ sailrite, awesome junk. Hook timing slipped on a blue jeans. Seam..
Set it,sold, it....best boat/ catamaran. machine a juki1508, or similar consew/ Seiko..
135needles and v207 threads.
Nice comparison. I have the sail rite. Yep noisy and limited capacity. What kind of servo motor is that I used one and it was weak.
I use the single knob analog servos sold under the Family, Rex, New Tech, or Enduro names... amzn.to/3zpzRlI
Thank you very much for your video...I am looking for a machine just like the Yuki but with the zig zag stitch!! Does it exist? Can you suggest one?? Thank you 😊😊😊
Some Consew 199 models have zigzag + walking foot. Otherwise the Sailrite with zigzag. Good luck!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker thank you ...🙏
Good video. I've got a newer version of that little Sailrite machine. It's ok but I am somewhat disappointed with it though because of presser foot clearance. My old Kenmore is better in that regard and it has more power too actually even though I'm running a speed reducer on the Sailrite too. Also its feet are wide which interferes getting close to things.
Hi Myron, sounds like you have some real world experience with the Sailrite. I also have the Sailrite Leatherwork with a 550w Workhorse servo and small speed reducer. Power is no problem in that configuration. There is an adjustment for presser foot steppage height. It adjusts backwards compared to most industrial sewing machines. But even at max height, it doesn't lift high enough for me either. I would also agree that the Sailrite feet feel wide and bulky compared to standard Consew style feet.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the machine.
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@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker I’ve decided that the next machine I buy is going to be the TechSew 5100. I want to get into more leather work and it’s also a cylinder arm machine capable of sewing 5 ounce leather right up to 7/8” thick with 1” presser foot clearance with compound walking foot and needle feed with an 800W 1 Hp servo motor on it. This will do everything I would ever do and it’s only priced a few hundred dollars more than one of their smaller models. Oh, it’s also a 16-1/2” cylinder arm too so that offers pretty good throat clearance for bulky items.
I wish you could do a comparison between the Juki 1541 and the Sailrite Fabricator! That might be a closer comparison!
Yes, that would be a good comparison. Haven't seen those two go head to head yet.
❎. Thank you.
This model Sailrite is a portable.
Yes, two different classes.
More power than
a regular table top
home machine.
They now offer
a speed control motor.
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Yes, Sailrite has come out with a couple new motor options. I also have their Leatherwork machine which comes with a small table and Workhorse servo motor.
Cheers
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker.
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Hi I have a Singer 111w155 but i really like the idea of zigzag for bar tacking and heavy button holing on heavy denim and duck canvas. Do you think the sailrite would go through seams of about 6 layers thick?
I've had two Sailrite machines, this blue one and a Leatherwork. Both had limited presser foot height. Zigzag is nice, but clearance under the foot is more important to me. I have zigzag machines and straight stitch machines, and I actually use the straight stitch for buttonholes (with an old school Buttonholer). Good luck!
Thanks this is really helpful. Might I be able to ask the HP/Watt/Amp of the Sailrite motor? Thanks again
The Sailrite Workhorse servo that comes on the Leatherwork machine and the Fabricator is 550w or about 3/4 hp.
This was a very helpful video. Saw your shirt. Can you recommend a good industrial dealer or shop near Holland Mi or GR. I’m looking to upgrade to a machine capable of sewing vinyl and upholstery fabric. Thanks for the video.
Hi Jill,
Glad you found the video helpful. I'm sorry I don't know any dealers in Michigan. Funny you made the connection from my Limbert shirt. Love it. Just about any walking foot can sew vinyl with ease. If you want to tackle thick leather too, consider a Consew 226 or 206rb. Juki LU-562 and 563 models are very good as well. There are plenty of modern equivalent machines, but there's just something about old Japanese iron that is so satisfying. Good luck with your decision!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker thank you for the reply! I’m glad to get some good advice
@@PuffStitch I know that Family Sewing in Grandville is now a Juki dealer and can order the industrials!
Great show if your having trouble falling asleep. This will put you right out
Well thank for trying to watch it anyway.
You gave it a shot!
Unintentional ASMR lol
Great video. I own a latest version sail rite with worker bee and it's powerful and compact which is what I bought it for. I made a new bimini and enclosure on my boat with it for about $2500,(machine and materials) versus $12,000 quoted. I love having it on the boat with me. Sailrite video's taught me a lot which I am grateful for. if only at home for heavy duty, leather etc I would look for a Juki or comparable.
I totally agree. Saving money on upholstery jobs is what started me down this path. Glad you found a good machine for your application.
Great post! Thank you👍
Thanks so much! I appreciate the positive comment.
Do you have a video that compares between the Sailrite's Industrial Fabricated sewing machine and a Juki (one that is still made and used not discontinued?)
I don't have a video of the Fabricator machine, but I've owned similar machines. They aren't true triple feed machines but they are a walking foot. Basically the needle is up when the Fabricator advances the material. It's a simpler mechanism. Overall the triple feed Juki is preferred but the other way is less expensive to produce. Lots of good choices!
Now it does increase the cost but you can purchase a 550w servo motor with speed reducer for the Ultrafeed from Sailrite. It doesn't come with it stock though and you are pretty much committing to it no longer being a portable machine. So the Sailrite machine can have similar power.
It really comes down to price, how loud it is, zig-zag stitch capability, how portable it is, and clearance under the presser foot.
Hi Joseph. Well said. Yes, for instance you can buy the Sailrite Leather machine which comes with a mini table, servo and small speed reducer. It should be a nice package for a lot of crafters.
That Sailrite servo retains the portability of the machine, as it replaces the stock motor.
If you still want the portability, get the WorkerB servo motor. It turn the portable LSZ1 into another workhorse! Pun intended. 😀
Would you be able to do a video with the sailrite worker B motor on the lsz? It's a servo motor. Great videos and thanks for your time.
I don't have access to the Worker B motor at the moment, but understand all new Sailrite portables will be equipped with that motor. They are more powerful and efficient than the small motors they used to come with, and should work great. Thanks!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ok great thanks for letting me know. Have a great day.
My Sailrite LSZ-1 is in a table with a Servo motor.
I bet that's a nice setup. Sounds great.
Wow!! an amazing review.. You are the man. I think that if you are investing that amount of money you need the best and Juki certainly delivers. Is very difficult to find a Juki available. What is the difference between Juki DU-1181N? Is this capable of Zigzagging?
The 1181 won't zigzag. Consew 199 for walking foot + zigzag. It's very rare to have both. Best to you.
I have seen some of the aggressive feet leave marks on the leather, do you use a smooth pressure foot or the knurled ones that Sailrite offers?
I use the lightly knurled feet from Sailrite. They don't mark even delicate veg tanned leather. The traditional deep-tooth feet will likely leave scuff marks.
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Thanks for sharing. Can you tell me what model is the Juki? It looks better and easier to sew.
I could not find what model is for the Juki.
The Juki is an LU-563. Similar to an LU-562 or Consew 226.
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This is a good review. I think putting on the right foot for the size piping on the Sailrite would have had different results. The Sailrite is not going to keep up with the juki it's just a bigger heavier duty machine. I think ya get both machines. Lol
Thanks Robert,
To my knowledge the portable Sailrite machines only offer two feet. Regular and knurled for leather. Neither has a large cording tunnel. Step up to the Sailrite Fabricator and you'll have more options.
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Yeah I don't know about the smaller machines and the feet available. That makes since why the just include the small one built in cause you have to buy all the extra feet for the bigger machines. I have an old Chandler TDU -n 62. I put a big servo motor on it but having trouble finding feet for it. Ordered a couple that said they fit my machine but they don't. It's a great older machine which I think would sew through a 2x4 if you could get it under the foot. Lol
This is an extremely helpful video! I'm currently working on a juki hzl f300. I'm looking to upgrade to industrial/semi industrial. Specs I'm looking for: triple step zig zag, zig zag, straight stitch and reverse stitch all in one machine (if such a machine exists) and option to select LCR needle position. Do you have any suggestions? Servo motor preferred. Thank you in advance
Maybe a Consew 199 or a Sailrite. Not very many walking foot zig zag machines out there. Best of luck!
Check out the Consew RBL-146-3A . This is a long arm walking foot triple stitch zig zag machine. This machine also allows you to change the cam so it will make a standard zig zag stitch. I suggest for heavy duty straight stitch work the Consew 206 RB. This works much better than trying to take a machine that is specifically designed to make a zig zag stitch and then try to make it produce a decent straight stitch. If you don't need a long arm then the Consew 146RB is an excellent walking foot zig zag machine.
Thanks k you for your suggestions
I saw your profile on Sailrite’s web page and noticed you use the Leather Ultrafeed machine. How does it compare to the LSZ-1? I assume you like it better for leather? I was very interested in the LSZ-1 but after watching this video I’m seriously considering an industrial machine. I like the idea of portability but your video highlighted some shortcomings. I really appreciated this video.
Hi Trevor,
Thanks for checking out the video. The Leatherwork falls somewhere between the LSZ-1 and a full industrial walking foot. It has a full size servo motor and all speed reducer, which both help with power. It really depends how thick you want to sew. I can sew a compressed thickness of about 1/4" on the Leatherwork, compared to 3/8" plus on the Juki. My current Juki also has a servo and speed reducer. If you're doing 2-3 layers of 2-3 oz upholstery leather, you'll be fine with the Sailrite. If you want to do 4-6 or occasionally 8 layers, you'll need something heavier.
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Question: when you were comparing SR to Juki the test piece for sailrite had 5 layers vs 4 for Juki. Is that not correct?
Hi Robert, actually both machines were demonstrated with 4 layers of 2-3oz leather.
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Does the portable machine have all metal gears? Just wondering as I cannot find any details to that anywhere.
All metal internal parts on the current Sailrite portables.
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Is there a practical difference in the types of walking foot you show here? The needle feed (triple feed?) machine seems more efficient, like the Sailrite Fabricator.
Nice to see the older style Sailrite, it's about the same as the currently marketed "clones", like the REX, Reliable, etc...
Also, the outer foot on the Sailrite can always be changed to a deeper cord, and Sailrite has several different styles of feet. The other thing is that the Sailrite foot lift is adjustable up to about 1/2 inch. Same with the clones.
The triple feed has the needle buried as the material is advanced. Just one more element working in unison to evenly feed the material.
Every Sailrite portable I've sewn on maxed out at about 5/16 sewing capacity. Even with the walking foot steppage adjusted to maximum.
You're right the Fabricator is a triple feed machine. It will more reliably do 3/8" compressed thickness.
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I have a Reliable Barracuda. I'm pretty sure it's the same machine as the LZ1. I think Sailrite just takes the basic machine and does a lot of modifications and improvements to it. I don't think they build them from scratch. I have noticed that the Sailrite LZ presser foot lifts a lot more than mine. I'd like to see how to adjust the walking foot and the presser foot for proper height and tension. Also, your Juki is a compound walking foot, where the needle actually pulls the fabric. It's far superior to the regular walking foot. My Reliable tends to slip with certain materials. But for the money, it's hard to beat.
There's an adjustment under the top cover for foot steppage height. Most machines have something like it, but the adjustment is counterintuitive. You make the adjustment backwards compared to any other walking foot. It still doesn't lift as high as I'd like.
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If you haven’t figured it out yet, Sailrite has a couple of utube videos that gave me enough info to figure it out on the Barracuda. Just go slow, ignore the measurements quoted and aim instead to get the clearances specified in the Barracuda sales lit.
Did you use the piping foot when you attempted to sew the piping on the Sailrite? I’ve not had any issues with variation using it so it’s odd that you did.
Yes, I used the piping foot. That's what comes standard with Sailrite portables. Material thickness is what makes the difference. If you run out of clearance, say with 4 layers of upholstery fabric and 5/32" piping, it won't sew well. Thanks.
Love these reviews! -- QUESTION -- My last issue is Zig Zag stiches.. I notice that most of these industrial machines do straight stitch only. The Sailrite does zig zag for sails I guess.. But it is unclear to me whether zig zag is a stronger or better stitch. Some articles say it is not. Any thoughts on that Is there any downside to the zig zag? Can you get modify this Juki or the Cansew 206RB to do a zig zag?
Good Questions! I don't feel that a zig zag stitch is stronger or better in leather and upholstery material, although it might help with canvas. It can be used as a cheap alternative to a serger when working with material prone to fraying, but there are better overlock stitches on most modern machines. You can't modify a 206 to do zigzag stitch. I really doubt you'll ever miss a zigzag stitch if your machine doesn't have it. Thanks
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ...really good answer.. We are honing in on the Juki 563 in excellent condition and will get the servo motor and try to configure like you did. We may go sailing and have some impression that we may repair our sails with it -- Sail makers use zig zag, although I read somewhere that a quality single stich is as good or better, and that two lines of single stitch would certainly be better. Just wish I knew the best answer to that but there are no good sources. You mentioned your servo is 500watts and I see online some are 750 watts etc., Assuming they all plug into the normal power socket in our house, how would you tell the difference between "just" 500 watts vs 750 or 1000 watts?
@@Coleen-Love You'll be fine with a 550w servo like this... amzn.to/3X6Rd3F I think they're easier to control than a digital servo, and have enough power for just about anything. If you plan to add a speed reducer, it will have gobs of power! Mine could sew through plywood.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker ..perfect. Do you have a video of the Juki when you first got it and showing the coondition and the repairs etc that you did? Seems to now be in near perfect condition.
@@Coleen-Love Here is my main Juki video... ruclips.net/video/v2QdIKrK_xI/видео.html Juki vs. Pfaff video... ruclips.net/video/n8IWQKJH-vg/видео.html and a servo install video on a Juki (no speed reducer)... ruclips.net/video/Dx_rS9Fzvfo/видео.html Have fun!
I have an old 132K6 and it will sew anything from 2 layers of calico (very nicely) to 6mm plywood + carpet and vinyl. I can sew the material straight the door panel on the older cars. It is so old it doesn't have reverse and they still make the same machine today with reverse being the only difference. I am now looking at a Sailrite due to portability and your video has helped and also created some questions. Are the newer ones a little smoother sounding? Anyone had experience with a newer model with the new motor? I can pretty much use any machine and am still wondering if the Sailrite will sew Biminis and Dodgers with ease or is it asking a bit much?
I also have a Sailrite Leatherwork with servo and small speed reducer. It sounds about the same as the blue one. It will sew a little more than a domestic machine, but nothing compared to a full sized industrial machine. It has plenty of power with the Workhorse servo, but the foot only lifts 5/16" high. This means it starts dragging on your work when sewing 4 layers. My projects have as many as 8 layers when sewing straps into seams. Good luck with your decision!
If u had a choice between a Juki LU-563 and a Consew 226 (with both being in equal condition) which would u choose? Other than a nice big bobbin in the Juki r there other features that set them apart?
Hi, that's a good question. My first machine was actually a Consew 226 and I liked it a lot. There are many similarities between the 226 and the 563. Both have top loading bobbins, and both have paddle style reverse levers. The 226 uses a small G bobbin, while the 563 has about twice the capacity with a huge U style bobbin. It's an advantage if you do upholstery, but a wash if you make belts and wallets. The head of a 563 is heavier, which I feel translates to quality construction. I personally would take the 563, but as long as it's in good shape (and hopefully had a servo motor) a 226 can be a good machine too. Both were made in Japan.
Thanks for commenting.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Thank you for the info.
You can certainly hear the difference in construction of the two machines. I love my Juki machines...241 & 1181, and I could never listen to that blue machine all day. It would drive me bonkers sounding like a bearing was ready to seize up. 😂
you should hear my sewline 9" thompson (like sailrite). with the new-age foot pedal is pulses full power for low speed. i have a carbon pile pedal arriving tomorrow.
^^ this. I'd miss the knee lift, presser foot height, clearly marked stitch length dial. The LSZ-1 is just not for me.
Will this machine do lightweight cargo nylon strap with 92 or heavier thread
Both machines will sew with 92 weight thread. The Juki can handle nylon strap as long as the total compressed thickness is around 7/16" or less. The problem with sewing nylon strap with the Sailrite is foot clearance. It's supposed to sew 5/16" of compressed thickness, but the foot will be dragging on the material, because it doesn't lift high enough for medium to heavy work.
Best to you.
Does the Juki have reverse? I have a Thompson like that Sailrite but mine is considerably quieter.
Yes, the Juki LU-563 has a large paddle style reverse lever. The similar LU-562 also has reverse. One common machine that doesn't have reverse is a Consew 225.
Good luck with it!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Do you think the Sailrite would do better on that piping piece if it had a servo motor, or was that mostly about the feed dogs and foot not being able to walk over that much thickness? I have been debating on either upgrading my Thompson with a monster wheel and servo motor, or just going all-in on a bigger industrial machine like the Juki.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 the Sailrite reaches a hard limit at about 5/16" thickness. It just won't walk over anything thicker. A monster wheel or a servo upgrade wouldn't help the issue in this case. Although a servo and/or a speed reducer do a lot to improve the performance of a full size industrial machine.
Good luck with it.
Is the Juki that was compared a zig zag machine? I’m looking for a really good industrial zigzag
No the Juki LU-563 isn't a zig zag. Consew 199 is one option if you need a heavy duty walking foot that also has zig zag. Best to you.
how are you controlling the foot and reverse hand free on the juki?
I use the regular hand control for the Juki. I've used Consews with foot pedal reverse, attached to the machine by a chain. There's really no good attachment point for a chain on this Juki.
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I rather wish i had come across this comparison before today, as it may have impacted my overall decision. I ended up purchasing a Sailrite straight stitch machine last year after hemming and hawing between a used industrial and the SR.
I'm not upset with the Sailrite. The newer versions of machine appear to have addressed some of the clearance issues you demonstrated in this video, and getting 4 layers under a new machine is not as difficult as you showed. I think it comes down to the mechanical lift was adjusted to capture some of the manual extra you showed near the end of the video.
The challenge is in doing some DIY upholstery projects for automotive, adding a backing foam now takes up all of the increased clearance in the new machine and I return to having similar frustrations overall. I think if it was anything more than a hobby level endeavor, i'd be going back to the bowl of fruit and sampling something different.
I remain curious how the Sailrite fabricator machine compares to the likes of newer Consew and Juki machines. It seems the real quality machines for upholstery have all cheapened over the past decade and those of us shopping now are faced with the conundrum of what level of frustration we want to deal with. There don't seem to be many slow speed truly high quality options buying new.
Yeah I hear you. I have the Sailrite Leatherwork as well, and it has the same clearance issue as the old ones. If you sew more than two layers of 3oz leather, the foot drags on the work. Fabricator will have normal industrial sewing capability of 3/8" compressed thickness. Best of luck.
That Sailrite machine seems like a noisy son of a gun. I wonder why it makes so much noise? Thanks for sharing this info. Very informative.
I'm not sure, but it was well oiled. That's an older model. I have a Sailrite Leatherwork now that is quieter, but it also operates at a much slower speed. Built-in speed reducer keeps things slow and quiet.
Interestingly, I've noticed a difference in the noise level of Consew 206rb machines. The 206rb1 and rb2 are nice and quiet. The 206rb5 machines make a clackety-clack noise. Country of origin changed from Japan to China at some point, and perhaps the manufacturing tolerances weren't as tight
Thanks for checking out the video.
I want one… thanks for the info. This is the best video by far that I have seen that compares walking foots. I was under the impression that the sailrite was an industrial machine. I would like to know if you could add a servo motor later on to a sailright leather machine. And how would you connect it if it were possible?
Hi Cherie,
Yes you can run a servo motor with a Sailrite machine. You'd just need a table to mount everything. Look up the green Leatherwork machine on the Sailrite website. It has a servo as well as a small speed reducer.
Good luck with it purchase!
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker This green Sailrite that you mention, the leathercraft - with a motor like that, do you think it would stand up to the Juki? Thanks and sorry for all the questions!
@@adamnarat9677 Well I have a Sailrite Leatherwork on order so I'll let you know! It has a servo and speed reducer so it seems quite capable. Stay tuned.
@@TheThoughtfulWoodworker Fantastic! Thank you, can't wait to hear how it goes